December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Printers are munitions?
by Sidney R. Phillips 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last Sunday on The Learning Channel there was a somewhat silly program on information warfare. One thing which caught my attention however, was a claim by Win Schwartau (of inforwar fame) that NSA had placed narrow band transmitters in printers which wound up in air defense sites in Iraq. Subsequently the transmissions were used for targeting durring the gulf war. Has anyone heard of a separate source for this?

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] May carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes. _@_ / \ | o o | -U|--U--|U-- Tim C[ocksucker] May

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Re: War & InfoWar
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 11 May 1997, Paul Bradley wrote: >> > How many government employees quit in outrage, stating that > > they would not take part in such atrocities? How many took a > > vocal moral stand against their superiors, or exposed the > > government duplicity involved in the police action? > > They are all whores, so I suggest we fuck them like whores. > No thanks, you have to pay for whores. Let's not give them any more business. Besides, who knows what VD government whores carry. AP is better. FP (Fucking Politicians) is what they do best to each other. WhoreMonger.

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RE: RSA, PGP IN LEGAL FLAP OVER ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGY
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:45 5/12/97 -0700, Chris DiBona wrote: >And keep in mind , I don't begrudge RSA thier right to make money off thier intellectual property, However, I've been waiting many years for some patent-law-knowledgeable person to explain why mathematics, which was widely seen as being absolutely unpatentable prior to the invention of public-key cryptography, suddenly became patentable just in time for RSA, etc. Until I hear such an explanation, I _DO_ begrudge RSA and others that "right." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: whine politics again
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Earlier, paul said: >Also, on a slightly more practical point, as I have said, if one was to >bomb any major commercial or government building the chances of killing a >truly innocent person are fairly small anyway. What the ultimate result here should be we all demand our legislators pass a law prohibiting the establishment of daycare centers, schools, hospitals or nursing homes within 1000 ft of government centers, army bases, or any federal offices. They could call it the "No Human Shielding law." What legislator would dare complain that the federal government not use his or her constituents children to shield ATF, FBI or other TLA agents? Hey, it's "For the children", right?

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 14:09:57 1997 > Tim C[ocksucker] May carries a turd in his wallet for > identification purposes. > In response to this childish, no.cajones.com message, I have removed all previous filters and added one, simpler filter on incoming mail. Delete when recieved from nobody(a)huge.cajones.com or lucifer(a)dhp.com. I suggest you all to the same.. it may actually serve to make this list worthwhile... - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3iud6AC4xvMjGa1AQFX1gf6A8z99Qot63ZAZsrDJqRqPMORB4FIHz9N z6Wl49tLg66LZpzjrsZ4YDHywz1eWadHOaD9NUpQuniZhuWN3TWveuXY+QHTakJa jZ3jP6+sOkCWXtfAi52sSV4KEPinkzQzTdqrCytSRnJ1KzOtgfoyQxdlxcn/R9sE CsbPQLm6cRQsd1zL1306a9uCX9qCR1/NypN0GCAGtVsWKwFf3Rd/U+Q7F8bkgBcc 757DzRXQCr6K9VbWdgFes9suzV42JFb5SdhPUnI1dhDmsjJvGwCvRJY/r3FvGLqP u2OII1rFT1zhhFPyAG3iqKGaE/U9fbCNwi0xzm6x1y8m6wQGxUUqrw== =kqhk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: `careerpunks'
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back, <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk>, writes: > In trying to figure out which lists were working, I noticed that there > are now many more people on coderpunks and cryptography than there are > on cypherpunks... take a look at these figures: > > 713 cryptography(a)c2.net > 713 coderpunks(a)toad.com > 245 cypherpunks(a)algebra.com + cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net - duplicates Coderpunks has not been very active, I think (although I don't always notice which messages come from which lists). Perry Metzger's moderated cryptography(a)c2.net has had some good discussions lately, including contributions from such people as Carl Ellison and Matt Blaze. There was an interesting proposal from James Donald for a possible approach to what they are calling CACK, "Corporate Access to Corporate Keys", without facilitating GAK, "Government Access to Keys". The cypherpunks list continues to have the edge in political commentary and bomb-making instructions. :-) Hal

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Public Key Break Paper
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In early April we posted a message which referred to William H. Payne's paper "Public Key Cryptography is Easy to Break." Mr. Payne has provided the 1990 5-page draft paper along with other documents, which we've added to the file at: http://jya.com/snlhit.htm The paper is part of several attachments supporting Mr. Payne's charge against Sandia National Laboratory. Other documents in the file help explain why the paper is sensitive to SNL and perhaps to NSA.

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 16:01:35 1997 > On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote: > > I suggest that nobody do this, as this will filter out anonymous mail > from these remailers. You do, of course, have the right to filter out > whomever you want, but there are worthwhile anonymous contributions > from these remailers. I personally don't see what the big deal is > with these ascii-art messages. 95% of the time, these messages are > very easy to spot, and the remaining 5%, it takes two seconds to hit > the "delete" key. hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3jIoqAC4xvMjGa1AQHYGQf+LnnFnEHTlH+7N1X9gdG+Q+qyp44r1mHu kw6FcENloFaE7oRpaDffaCOlBEAwJEQYnPNr6LOD18rTYQ2ZgruI/sv73KslBDI9 CLRjBRpzPSyF3+59uGusxOdLzHIzKjUSrB0xF5n/C07DnEoDa9DvXz1p+XnuPxf5 ZgXbrPMrac66K+Mz16XyJeI7eUjUEpqgc1s4OJuBpLZkCskncL9lUr9lfoHw8neE g4fjzH4csJ6XWh7z5ZZWN1dK9n8dUe13Er7rTLXT7Y0Md7DlkeyinJqPGd4eoPZ9 z2Rka6QJKBs4JC5cki4Hf9zOnHfJiqc5d30v1A0S+u1paOkoGQd0zQ== =tJQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Announce] PGP
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given Dr. Dimitri Vulis Spam's propensity to molest little boys, and hamsters is it any surprise that the state of New York wants to have him castrated? ,,, (o-o) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Spam.

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Re: [Stego] Vulis
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Demi Vulvis, child molester, carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes. _@_ / \ | o o | -U|--U--|U-- Dr. Demi Vulvis (proctologist, not cryptologist)

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Re: Digital signatures
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Digital signatures Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com On Mon, 12 May 1997, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote: I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. > Timmy May's family tree goes straight up. All of his ancestors > were siblings, to dumb to recognize Graham-John Bullers in the dark. > > _ o > |<)_/# Timmy May > TT <T > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Modulator of alt.2600.modulated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Would the anonymous person(s) please...
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would all those anonymous remailing people with a flame tendency, please flame the person of your attacks, and don't send this bullshit to the list? Thanks...

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Re: Public Key Break Paper
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young, <jya(a)pipeline.com>, writes: > In early April we posted a message which referred to > William H. Payne's paper "Public Key Cryptography is > Easy to Break." > > Mr. Payne has provided the 1990 5-page draft paper > along with other documents, which we've added to the file > at: > > http://jya.com/snlhit.htm > > The paper is part of several attachments supporting > Mr. Payne's charge against Sandia National Laboratory. > Other documents in the file help explain why the paper > is sensitive to SNL and perhaps to NSA. I was curious to see this paper, since it would be an earth-shattering result if true, but unsurprisingly it is not as amazing as it sounds. First, it is not a general attack on public key cryptography, but rather it is a specific method for attacking RSA. Second, I remember seeing this algorithm discussed on sci.crypt in the past, probably in 1996. I don't know if it came from this same guy or if somebody else (re)discovered it. But the discussion there indicated that the algorithm was not as efficient as claimed. The claim is that it takes an amount of work proportional to the number of bits in the modulus, which would indeed be a breakthrough. Actually I think it will take about (2^n)/n iterations, making it a very poor method (*). Third, it claims to break RSA without factoring, but actually the algorithm could be used to factor n. The algorithm gives you (p-1)(q-1) or a large factor thereof, and as discussed on sci.crypt a few months ago, this is enough to let you find p and q (through a tricky method whose details I don't remember!). Hal (*) The final string of 1's will be as long as the value of the phi(n) factor being found, which will be on the order of 2^n, so there will be about 2^n 1's in the final string, more than there are atoms in the universe for numbers of interest. (You don't have to store the whole string though.) Each iteration adds at most n bits to the string, so the number of iterations must be as above.

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No Subject
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: PGP Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Reply-To: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. On Mon, 12 May 1997, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote: > Given Timmy C[retin] May's propensity to molest > little children, is it any surprise that > Graham-John Bullers wants to have him castrated? > > ,,, > (o-o) > -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[retin] May > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Modulator of alt.2600.modulated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by Wazoo MixMaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Spectre, writing under an anonymous name bravely wrote: From: The Spectre <spectre(a)nac.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:57:15 -0400 [snip] hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... [snip his cowardly key block] [snip his cowardly anonymous signature] Let me get this straight Mr. Cowardly Lion; if one uses a remailer, he is cowardly (in one form or another). But not an anonymous address? Not PGP? Wise up, friend; this is cypherpunks. Some of us DO these things, and we do not have to explain ourselves to you or or anyone. Some times it's for fun; sometimes it's deadly serious. So use the delete key; add a "filter file (;--);" do whatever you choose, but spare me the sanctimonious lecture. Hugh_Balls(a)lucifer.penet.fi TruthSmuggler's Alter Ego

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KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Net's crypto wet-dreams were demolished this afternoon by a Congressional committee's fear of coffee-drenched kids and the Ku Klux Klan. A two-hour debate over whether KKK volunteers could be sued for spilling coffee on an 8-year old at a bake sale blew through millions of dollars in billable lobbyist-hours and prevented the House Judiciary Committee from voting on Rep. Bob Goodlatte's (R-VA) SAFE crypto bill today. Somnolent yet somehow alert, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) wasted an hour sparring with the avuncular Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois) over the "Volunteer Protection Act," which insulates people volunteering for nonprofit organizations from civil liability. But would that apply to the KKK, wondered Conyers? Is the KKK a registered 501(c)(3) organization under the IRS code? What about 501(c)(4) organizations? What if a KKK member decided to build houses for Habitat for Humanity? I kid you not: these are the questions that the august House Judiciary committee grapples with. The members ran out of time and never got around to voting on SAFE. It was a bizzare meeting, to be sure, but at least one point made sense: these decisions should be left to the states, not imposed on them by the Feds. Some Congressmen even cited the landmark Supreme Court decision in _Lopez_, which shortened the reach of the Federal government. Conyers: "Someone has to explain why this is a federal issue." Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "I don't see why it's necessary for the federal government to invade." Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) coughed up an odd position: he likes the bill, but wants to make sure his GOP colleagues appreciate that this bill would screw the states. (It uses the Constitution's "interstate commerce clause" to justify the Feds interfering.) Frank said: "The notion that the coach of the Little League is involved in interstate commerce -- unless the third baseline is in another state -- strikes me as a hard sell. A dispute involving the coach in a little league will now be federalized... I don't have a problem with that... I do insist, however, that those in the past who have invoked [states' rights understand that] this is an obliteration of Lopez." Those were the high points of the debate, and it went downhill from there. Frank claimed that the Civil War meant that states have no rights. Someone rambled about girl scouts in South Carolina. Someone else spoke passionately about "standards of tortious behavior." Then there was talk about tricyles and hammers. By this time, the audience was falling asleep. I counted 10 people nodding off before I ran out of fingers. A frustrated Hyde tried to broker a deal: "If your staff person can work with your staff person, can you draft replacement language?" Conyers replied. "We're trying to help chairman Hyde. We've got 12 minutes [left]. There's no way in the world we're going to allow hate group hangers-on to be exempted from simple negligence." It worked. By 5:15 pm, after a dozen amendments, the committee passed the "Volunteer Protection Act." As for SAFE -- well, if you're a Congressman faced with the choice of bashing the KKK or tackling crypto policy, what would you do? -By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) and Will Rodger (rodger(a)worldnet.att.net) who refuses to wear a tie to these events any more.

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Canada bans anonymous political speech, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,940,00.html The Netly News Network May 13, 1997 No, Canada by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Krishna Bera wasn't surprised when the order from the Canadian government arrived last Friday. It was couched in the stilted language of universal bureaucratese, but its message was cold and clear: Purge a political endorsement from your web site or go to jail. Bera's offending web page had said simply, "Vote Green." It didn't exhort its readers to commit a crime. It wasn't libelous or defamatory. It didn't even feature any porn. Yet the pro-Green Party statement was enough to draw the ire of the commissioner of elections, for Canada has a rule, buried in the 187-page Elections Act, that prohibits anonymous political recommendations. And Bera's web page was unsigned. [...] ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: Quadratic residues
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May's mother attempted to pro-choice the unwanted little bastard by fishing with a coat hanger in her giant cunt, but failed miserably to pull the rabbit and succeeded only in scraping out the contents of little Timmy's fetal cranium (not much to begin with). (_) _____ (_) /O O\ Tim May ! I ! ! \___/ ! \_____/

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Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 97 19:23:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... > I personaly think that this is a good thing. :))) > > Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom > that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. > could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one > except the STATEST). Yeah, Blacks could go back to being niggers. Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant etc... Talk about statest. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: "The policeman inside" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Ross Wright" <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:41:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: "The policeman inside" > Hey, *They* read this list anyways. Fuck *Them* Hard. > > > Beware the policeman inside. > > Fuck the FBI, Fuck the CIA. Fuck 'em all. Now that's freedom! God, > I love America! That isn't freedom, its emotional gratification. Freedom would be not having to worry about them in the first place. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Cypherpunks meeting in SE
by whgiii＠NO.amaranth.com.SPAM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I am intrested in setting up a cypherpunks meeting in the South East USA. I think that Atlanta would be a good place for this but I am open to other locations. I am located in FL so I would like to keep it within a days drive (Atlanta is 4-5 hrs from me). If you would be intrested in such a meeting please e-mail me and let me know when you would be able to attend and where you are located. If I can get enough people intrested I would like this to be a monthly thing simmilar to the meetings on the West Coast. Thanks, - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows NT: From the makers of Windows 3.1! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3ka549Co1n+aLhhAQF1TAP/ZgGHDjGI/LeIeDPv3IALNYWYgXucZ3+r ODpUOtIAbCp/FVGdBTnPuKuKvsOzEVIk6Uly1OzEh4kdKXV7W+VbhBoUJX3NF+0J gTWPfq2bSFbsMR85Ln+T0FCeWTAjrzuOwSTjy1YrlFKGc75JJ4oMlk15aMrK84/v voyNIKPZ2ko= =mWRj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "The policeman inside"
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 13 May 97 at 9:19, Tim May wrote: > As ur-cyberpunk Burroughs noted, we must beware "the policeman > inside." > > Authorities _want_ people to "police themselves," to think twice > before speaking freely, to limit the topic of their conversations, > and to generally fear the knock on the door late at night (or, in > fin de siecle Amerika, the suddent appearance of black-clad ninja in > one's bedroom at 4 a.m., shooting anything that moves). Hey, that shit scares me, too. BUT: > Bomb-making information is protected by the First Amendment. Period. Correct. It's using that technology that's the crime, in most cases. > So is crypto information. So is saying Congressmen are vermin who > need to be taken out and shot. I think you can say "taken out and Spanked Naked In The Streets" I don't think you can advocate shooting them... Correct me if I'm wrong. > Get this straight, people! The First Amendment *IS* still in force. > (Now whether such opinions are to one's taste, or whether the > Cypherpunks list is a reasonable forum for posting bomb-making > plans...well, that's a completely different issue, one of taste and > appropriateness, First Amendment issues are *on topic*. > than the calls by Declan and Ray that such messages > are dangerous and could invite retaliation by the Authorities. If > that's indeed the case, then by all means we should be posting > bomb-making instructions and calls for treason trials with street > justice.) Hey, *They* read this list anyways. Fuck *Them* Hard. > Beware the policeman inside. Fuck the FBI, Fuck the CIA. Fuck 'em all. Now that's freedom! God, I love America! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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96 Wiretap Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer the text and three summary tables of the U.S. Courts "1996 Wiretap Report" at: http://jya.com/96wiretap.htm (36K)

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Re: The Interlinked Cypherpunks Lists? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, > > * Is it possible for the interlinked lists to send out announcements of > > list problems to subscriber of all such lists? (Each list owner could do a > > periodic "who cypherpunks" of the other lists, then use this list to send a > > message if a problem comes up. More sophisticated cross-processing could > > eliminate duplicates, etc.) Sounds like time to start another list subscribed to the existing nodes and offer such services to the subscribers at the operators whim. I oppose any action which would force the list to become more 'cooperative' in the sense that each node operator would be forced (sorta anti-cpunks I believe) to comply with some set of scripts and such they didn't develop in the first place. It would be just another means to limit the ability of people in general, and the cpunks in particular, to communicate with as little structure and 'authority' as possible. Unless I am seriously mistaken on this, the point was to make the list more robust and less centralized. Pretty soon we'll have to join some damn union or something. Now some of you are going to say that this is taking it to extremes. That what is being proposed is a good thing and not something that could be used to 'manipulate' the lists. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the guy driving the paving truck only wants to help you (as he paves your petunia's). > > * Alternatively, if one of the sites goes down, such as > > "cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net" seems to have done, could the other sites > > automagically pick up the task of distributing articles until the site > > comes back up? This again is anti-cpunks, it forces a level of cooperation and information sharing that is in direct opposition to beliefs in anonymity and privacy. I don't want it known who is subscribed to lists through SSZ, in short: It isn't any of your damn business and quit asking. Solution? Get a life or start an archive site. > The only true reliability can be achieved by subscribing to two or more > cypherpunks sites, and eliminating duplicates. Reliability has its costs. As do freedom, privacy, anonymity, etc. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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