December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Federalists vs. States Rights
by Jordan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"U.S. prosecutions of pro-marijuana doctors barred April 30, 1997 Web posted at: 11:09 p.m. EDT (0309 GMT) SAN FRANCISCO (Reuter) -- A U.S. district judge Wednesday issued an order temporarily barring the federal government from prosecuting California doctors who recommend marijuana to their patients." http://cnn.com/US/9704/30/marijuana.doctors.ap/index.html It's the same old song - Federalism v. States Rights Maybe we should see what went on in past US history to find out the outcome of current US events.

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Re: SAFE Bill is a Disaster--"Use a cipher, go to prison"
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:09 5/01/97 -0400, Jonah Seiger wrote: >Tim - > >It's too bad we may not see eye-to-eye on this one. > >For what it's worth, CDT shares your concerns about the criminal provision >in the SAFE bill. We believe that as currently written, the provision is >overly broad and could create a chilling effect on the everyday use of >encryption, and unnecessary because it duplicates existing obstruction of >justice law. > >We have expressed these concerns both publicly (in a letter to the >committee signed by EPIC, ACLU, EFF, VTW, CDT, and over 20 other >organizations - see http://www.privacy.org/ipc/safe_letter.html) and >privately in conversations with the committee staff. We hope to work with >the authors of SAFE to address these concerns, but, as you know, we are not >running this show and have to work with what the Congress gives us. There's your error. No, you don't "have to work with" it. Simply make your public support absolutely and completely conditional on the removal of the bad part. That's quite easy, isn't it?!? > >However, despite our concerns about the criminal provisions, we believe >strongly that the SAFE bill, and the bills in the Senate sponsored by Burns >and Leahy, are vitally important and should be passed. Why? Tim May said it quite well: SAFE gives us no rights that we don't already have, and what it does claim to give us has so many "legitimate needs of law-enforcement"-type loopholes that it would be almost totally useless. It is certainly not "vitally important." There are some components of SAFE which would be good to have, IF they can be obtained without the disastrous component of SAFE which we all know must be removed. > >As you know, the debate over encryption policy reform has been going on for >more than 4 years. Despite all of our efforts to promote the use of >encryption, crypto is still not widely used by the public. > >The Clinton administration has not backed off from their commitment to a >global key-escrow/key-recovery system with guaranteed law enforcement >access to private keys. And despite the brilliant work of EFF on the >various legal challenges to the export restrictions, we feel this issue >will only be fully resolved through legislation. > >The status quo, in our view, is not good enough. Let's not have any backsliding, then! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Nations Cannot Terrorize
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NYT reports today on the State Department's new "1996 Patterns of Global Terrorism:" "By the State Department's definition, nations cannot commit terrorism, only "subnational groups or clandestine agents" who carry out "politically motivated violence" against innocents. If a nation's air force bombs civilians that is not terrorism; if civilians blow up a plane, it is." ---- For full DoS report: http://jya.com/pgt1996.htm (202K)

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Re: SAFE Bill is a Disaster--"Use a cipher, go to prison"
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In that case, it counts as an improvement indeed. At 10:48 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Anil Das wrote: >On Apr 30, 10:23pm, geeman wrote: >> Subject: Re: SAFE Bill is a Disaster--"Use a cipher, go to prison" >> >> I'd like to point out that the key phrase in there seems to be >> "under any law in effect on the effective date of this chapter" -- altho >> it's gobbledegooked, >> the intent seems to say "if there is no law in effect mandating GAK when >> this bill becomes >> law, there can never be a law passed which does" Or in other words, it has >> the effect of making >> GAK no better, or worse, than under current law, while preventing passage >> of GAK laws in the future. > > Agreed, except for one subtle correction. Congress cannot >make a law saying a future congress cannot make such and such a law, >because the future congress can always repeal, amend or override the >old law. So, what this section does is to make GAK through an >executive order impossible. > >-- >Anil Das > > >

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Bombs Away, from The Netly News Network
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/1,1042,902,00.html The Netly News Network May 1, 1997 Bombs Away by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Internet fear-mongering is back in vogue inside the White House. The Clinton administration escalated its assault on the Net this week, warning that it provides bomb-making recipes to anyone "with a modem" and proposing a new law to restrict such information. In a 53-page report released on Tuesday, the Department of Justice alleges that criminals are trawling cyberspace for how-to kits on making explosives. "ATF statistics reflect that, between 1985 and June 1996, the investigations of at least 30 bombings and four attempted bombings resulted in the recovery of bomb-making literature that the suspects had obtained from the Internet," the report says. "A member of the DoJ committee accessed a single web site on the World Wide Web and obtained the titles of 110 different bomb-making texts." [...] ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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J/Crypto (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Chaffee <alex(a)earthweb.com> Subject: J/Crypto (original at http://206.20.162.246 JavaZine ) J/CRYPTO - Cryptography class library Baltimore Technologies shipped the first copies of its Java cryptography product J/CRYPTO at the Java Users Group meeting at Communications '97. J/CRYPTO is the world's first cryptography class library written entirely in Java and implements RSA, DES, Triple-DES, SHA1, MD5, Diffie-Hellman and other common cryptographic functions. It plugs into the Java Cryptography Architecture (JCA) and will comply with Sun's Java Cryptography Extension (JCE). J/Crypto includes a range of Java classes including: highly optimized Multi-Precision Arithmetic Modules; cryptographically secure Pseudo-Random Number Generation; RSA key generation & encryption; SHA-1 & MD5 Hashing; DES and Triple-DES encryption; Diffie Hellman Key Exchange Mechanism. J/Crypto includes many advanced features which provide commercial grade security for applications. These features include: full-strength key sizes (512,1024, 2048 bit RSA keys, 112-bit Triple-DES); fast format RSA keys (Chinese remainder theorem & Fermat-4); eeeelimination of weak & possibly weak DES & RSA keys; bfuscation of secret keys and other sensitive data; compatibility with PKCS #1, #3, #5, #8, #11; sample applications and benchmarking. Future developments for J/CRYPTO include implementation of Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), IDEA, RC2, RC4, BSA4, BSA5 ciphers and a range of high-speed stream ciphers. For more info: http://www.baltimore.ie/

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Kid hacker changes his grades (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>>> Forwarded message From: http://www.accessatlanta.com/local/news/1997/04/30/gradehacker.html Student faces felony for hacking grades >From NewsTalk 750 WSB A 15-year-old Florida High School student faces felony charges for allegedly hacking his way into the school computer to change "F's" into "A's." Jason Westerman claims it was only a joke, but he faces felony charges for offenses against intellectual property and computer users. He's been suspended for ten days. Westwood high school administrators want to expel him. << End forwarded message

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CDT Flash: SADE Bill -- "Hold a belief, go to prison"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: alt.cypherpunks, talk.politics.crypto, comp.org.eff.talk) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Deities and Theologies /____/ Volume 42, Number 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting religious liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 42, Number 1 May 1, 1997 Status Report on SADE, "Serenity and Dignity Through Enlightenment" FLASH! The Center for Deities and Theologies announces that the "SADE" Bill is past markup by the House Committee on Beliefs and Creeds, and is headed for passage in the full House. We urge you to call your representative and support this important Bill. While CDT believes the Bill has certain flaws, particularly the criminal sanctions for use of religious beliefs in furtherance of a prosecutable offense, we believe the benefits outweigh the problems. This Bill will give to American believer-units the religious freedoms they have so far lacked, while also ensuring the legitimate needs of religious enforcement are satisfied. The characterization of SADE as a kind of "hold a belief, go to prison" law is completely unjustified. No believer-unit who does not use his or her beliefs in connection with a prosecutable offense has anything whatsoever to fear from this landmark piece of legislation. CDT is proud to be a supporter and industry shill for this important step forward. --Klaus! von Future Prime, Policy Director, Center for Deities and Theologies Text of H.R. 666, the "SADE" Bill, "Serenity and Dignity Through Enlightenment" A BILL To amend title 18, United States Code, to affirm the rights of Americans to practice the religious beliefs of their choice, and to recognize the legitimate needs of law enforcment and national security concerns in this area. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the "Serenity and Dignity Through Enlightenment (SADE) Act". SEC. 2. PRACTICE OF RELIGION. (a) IN GENERAL. Part I of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after chapter 121 the following new chapter: CHAPTER 122-RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND PRACTICES "2801. Definitions. "2802. Freedom To Practice Religion. "2803. Freedom To Sell Religous Materials. "2804. Prohibition on religious licenses. "2805. Unlawful use of religious beliefs in furtherance of a criminal act. "§2802. Freedom To Practice Religion "Subject to Section 2805, it shall be lawful for any person within any State, and for any United States citizen in a foreign country, to hold any religious belief, regardless of the deity, god, goddess, idol, or higher being believed in. "§2803. Freedom To Sell Religous Materials "Subject to section 2805, it shall be lawful for any person within any State to sell in interstate commerce any religious tract, scripture, Bible, or pamphlet, regardless of the deity, god, goddess, or higher being supported. "§2804. Prohibition on religious licenses "(a) PROHIBITION. -- No person in lawful possession of religious materials may be required by Federal or State law to disclose or surrender to another person those materials. "(b) EXCEPTION FOR ACCESS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.-Subsection (a) shall not affect the authority of any investigative or law enforcement officer, under any law in effect on the effective date of this chapter, to gain access to those beliefs and religious materials. "§2805. Unlawful use of religious beliefs in furtherance of a criminal act "Any person who willfully uses religious beliefs or practices in furtherance of the commission of a criminal offense for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of competent jurisdiction -- "(1) in the case of a first offense under this section, shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both; and "(2) in the case of a second or subsequent offense under this section, shall be imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or stoned to death, or both.". SEC. 3. EXPORTS OF RELIGIOUS MATERIALS. (a) AMENDMENT TO RELIGIOUS EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ACT OF 1979. -- Section 17 of the Religious Export Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2416) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection: "(g) BIBLES AND RELATED MATERIALS. -- "(1) GENERAL RULE.--Subject to paragraphs (2), (3), and (4), the Inqusitor shall have exclusive authority to control exports of all religious materials, tracts, Bibles, Torahs, and statements of belief for religious matters and beliefs, except that which is specifically intended or modified for use by religious zealots, martyrs, and those involved in crusades, jihads, or holy wars. "(2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. -- No validated license may be required, except pursuant to the Praying For the Enemy Act or the International Emergency Higher Powers Act (but only to the extent that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls imposed under this Act), for the export or reexport of-- ... "(3) MATERIALS WITH PROSELYTIZING CAPABILITIES. -- The Inquisitor shall authorize the export or reexport of religious items with proselytizing capabilities for non-jihad end-uses in any country to which exports of similar Christian or Jewish materials are permitted for use by religious institutions not controlled in fact by United States churches and synagogues, unless there is substantial evidence that such materials will be -- "(A) diverted to a an Islamic jihad or other holy war or used for religious terrorism; "(B) modified for crusade and.or holy war end-use; or "(C) reexported without any authorization by the United States that may be required under this Act. -- There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re:
by Trevor Goodchild 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I assure you sir that it was meant to be posted without anonimity, and that it was lovingly hand crafted for your reading pleasure. Now who is this Gruber fellow? --- Trevor Goodchild On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > From: Trevor Goodchild <trevorg(a)dhp.com> > > > Dimi Vulis is just another garden variety KGB whore that has > > [REST OF RANT DELETED] > > Hmm, a slippage I wonder by Trevorg(a)dhp.com, this was presumably > supposed to be sent anonymously. But why would it not be bot`ted? > > I always thought these posts were emanating from somewhere like > dhp.com (Recally dhp.com is the domain which Dr. Grubor has his > addresses on). > > >

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Re: Do government employees have freedom of speech?On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Adam Back w
by Trevor Goodchild 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sod.Off. --- Trevor Goodchild On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, snow wrote: > Pot. Kettle. Black. >

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Re: [CRYPTO] ZKP
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:00:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> To: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: [CRYPTO] ZKP Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. On Thu, 1 May 1997, Anonymous wrote: > Tim May is widely recognized on the net, because of his > frequent vitriolic postings, as someone/thing ready to cut > off his own penis to spite Graham-John Bullers, although his > friends recognize him better from the rear. > > __ > /_/\__ > \_\/\_\ Tim May > /\_\/_/ > \/_/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Modulator of alt.2600.modulated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Artikel about XS4ALL in New York Times
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE NEW YORK TIMES/CYBERTIMES www.nytimes.com April 29, 1997 By BRUNO GIUSSANI For an ISP in the Netherlands, Controversy Is an Old Friend AMSTERDAM -- April has meant business as usual at XS4ALL (access-for-all), the third-largest Internet service provider in the Netherlands. The month started off with the XS4ALL Web site being out of reach for a substantial portion of the European online population, and it is ending with the provider's adding a notch to its track record as a champion of freedom of speech. On April 11 the Dutch Web site was blocked by the German academic network, Deutsche Forschungsnetz (DFN), which serves about 400 universities and research organizations and provides Internet access to a half million people. DFN acted under pressure from the Federal Criminal Investigation Bureau pointing out the illegal -- in Germany, though not in the Netherlands -- content of Radikal Magazine, which is housed on the XS4ALL server. Radikal, a left-wing underground magazine, advocates "militant and armed interventions" to overthrow the government, and has published a "Short guide to hindering railway transports of all kinds" -- a handbook describing how to attack and damage tracks. Since selectively barring single home pages is technically impossible, the DNF action cut off all 6,000 pages on the XS4ALL servers, including those of Serbian opposition radio station B-92 and several scientific databases. Thus, while blocking illegal material, the German network was also hampering scientific work -- which DFN has been established to nurture. Not to mention that skilled Internet users could route around the obstacle by using a remailing system or a proxy server located abroad. What's more, Radikal Magazine can be found on several dozen "mirror sites" around the world. Ten days later -- after being flooded by protests -- the German network lifted the ban on XS4ALL. "An effective blockage of illegal information has not been within the realms of possibility," Klaus-Eckart Maass, a DFN spokesman, conceded in an interview with The Associated Press. Now, this happened the very same week as the indictment of a German manager of CompuServe, a leading international online service, for the transmission of allegedly illegal materials over the Internet and as the German Parliament opened discussions on a new multimedia law. The new bill would place the responsibility for content on the supplier of the data, thus Internet service providers would not be held liable for illegal information that could pass over their wires unless they have been alerted and "have the technical ability" to delete or block it -- the very same scheme the German academic network found impossible to enforce. It was not the first time XS4ALL had been at the forefront of an Internet skirmish. Last September, most German ISPs blocked XS4ALL for a month after complaints by a regional prosecutor about Radikal. (In January Angela Marquardt, a Bavarian socialist politician, was indicted for linking to the banned magazine from her personal home page). "After a couple of weeks, the censored information was mirrored on some 50 Web sites around the world and voluntarily removed by our user from the XS4ALL server," the company's founder, Felipe Rodriquez, 28, explained. "After the block had ended, our user put the documents back on his page." Along with German prosecutors, the Amsterdam-based provider has lined up a fair list of other adversaries: the McDonald's fast-food chain, the Serbian government and the Church of Scientology, just to name a few. XS4ALL's roots reach into the hacker movement. The venture started out in 1993 "to give anyone the possibility to access the Internet." At that time there were no commercial access providers in Holland. It has grown into a respectable and very successful business in less than four years, yet the principles on which it was created have not changed: "Internet for the masses" is still its motto. XS4ALL currently has 55 employees, boasts 21,000 subscribers and hosts some 6,000 home pages. "A few years ago, we would have been portrayed as a band of dangerous anarchists, bent on disrupting society," Rodriquez told the Dutch daily Trouw. "But now they have come to see that we are nice and quiet people really." The company was instrumental in the creation of the Amsterdam Digital City project, a community networking initiative backed by taxpayer's money, and Rodriquez himself played a key role in setting up the Dutch anti-child-pornography hotline, the first of its kind, last year. "Before we started the hotline, Holland had a reputation of being a kid-porn freehaven," he said in an interview last week. "We designed it as a non-censoring form of self-regulation." The hotline is run by Internet users and providers. Unlike Britain's Internet Watch Foundation, the Dutch hotline doesn't censor any information nor does it ask the provider to do so. Hotline operators contact the author of the information and ask him to remove the offending content. "If the author does not comply, we report him to the police, and he'll be prosecuted," said Rodriquez, who also is chairman of the Dutch Providers Association. "The Internet Watch Foundation forces the provider to remove the illegal content," he added. "This is a fundamentally different approach to responsibilities on the Internet. We think the author of the information is responsible for his own actions, not the provider." That's why XS4ALL didn't take any steps against the customer who posted Radikal Magazine on its server. "Our policy is that as a provider we are not in the position to judge whether this magazine is illegal in the Netherlands, therefore we do not interfere with our users' freedom of speech," Rodriquez stated. "If there is any doubt about the legality of the publication in Holland, a Dutch court of law would be the proper place to remove these doubts," he added. This was the case when, in September 1995, the Religious Technology Center -- better known as the Church of Scientology -- filed for the seizure of all the XS4ALL computer equipment "because one of our users had put on his home page some information to which Scientology said it owned the copyright." The document -- the now famous "Fishman affidavit" -- is the actual transcript of a testimony given by Steven Fishman in a Los Angeles Court in which he accused the church of having forced him to act illegally. "We denied any responsibility for the content on our users' pages; they decide for themselves what they will publish," Rodriquez recalled. "We won the litigation." The user preferred to take down the controversial document. Yet when violation of the law is flagrant, XS4ALL doesn't hesitate to comply, as it did a few weeks ago when it shut down a customer's home page called Neuroroom, which sold marijuana and other soft drugs in Holland and abroad. The company's commitment to support free expression and democratization of the Internet doesn't stop here. Last fall when the Serbian government censored radio station B-92, XS4ALL helped design an Internet campaign and started to carry news broadcasts (in RealAudio format) that kept the rare opposition voice alive and the international public informed through independent accounts of the events occurring during the mass demonstrations in Belgrade. "They gave us disk space, donated network traffic and helped in training people," said Frank Tiggelaar, a Dutch activist for democratization in former Yugoslavia. "Basically any project we like gets free resources from XS4ALL," Rodriquez commented. The campaign of Helen Steel and Dave Morris is among the projects XS4ALL's old hackers do like. The two British environmentalists are the main characters of a civil case that started in 1990 when the McDonald's restaurant chain sued them for distributing flyers pointing at what they called the company's economic and ecological "ravages." The trial is not over yet -- but it has spawned a large Internet-based support network and fed a huge anti-McDonald's Web site called McSpotlight hosted, not surprisingly, by XS4ALL. EUROBYTES is published weekly, on Tuesdays. Click here for a list of links to other columns in the series. Related Sites Following are links to the external Web sites mentioned in this article. These sites are not part of The New York Times on the Web, and The Times has no control over their content or availability. When you have finished visiting any of these sites, you will be able to return to this page by clicking on your Web browser's "Back" button or icon until this page reappears. Bruno Giussani at eurobytes(a)nytimes.com welcomes your comments and suggestions. Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company -- XS4ALL Internet BV - Felipe Rodriquez-Svensson - finger felipe(a)xs4all.nl for Managing Director - - pub pgp-key 1024/A07C02F9

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ECR_ypt
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two news reports on Big Bro e-cards: 1. E-Pass -- a UK product that is both smart card and PC, will have one or more screens, and hopes to dominate the global government and business market for all-CU-data-in-one-easily-tracked-device. 2. Proton -- Belgium's cartel card, the mostly widely used device to en-SAFE Belgians, and a candidate to be recruited by Visa or MasterCard or Mondex or Halliburton or Armadillo US/UK/AUS. And a report on a speed demon crypto card from Eracom in AU, which claims to be "the world's first PC-based PCI bus cryptographic processor which can punch through cryptographic traffic at up to 30 times the speed of ISA bus products." ----- ECR_ypt or http://jya.com/ecrypt.txt

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Layoffs at PGP
by Super-User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/business/story/3543.html I what part of the employee base was purged? Anyone we know? Sounds like PGP sold their soul to the company store... (or the corporate binge and purge mentality.) [arrow] PGP Pretty Good on Privacy of Layoff Details by Kristi Coale 6:09pm 30.Apr.97.PDT In keeping with its core technology - information security - Pretty Good Privacy was tight-lipped about the details of the layoffs it announced to employees Tuesday morning. "We prefer not to mention the number as we are a privacy company, but it was small in number and limited in scope," spokesman Mike Nelson told Wired News on Wednesday. The layoffs are part of what Nelson described as a shift in the company's strategy from developing products for protecting individual privacy to being a security specialist for the Fortune 500. Analysts say this rejiggering of priorities is not a drastic one, pointing to the 24 March purchase of ZoomIt, a company that specialized in corporate, enterprise-wide security systems. The shift represents a maturation of a company that built its reputation through a type of grass-roots organizing: distributing its products through freeware, said Ezra Gottheil, director of Internet business strategies in Newton, Massachusetts. "They're a real Internet company. They're also an ambitious company that sees it's time to move into corporate IS departments," Gottheil said. Part of that shift may mean that Internet Fast-Forward, an ad-filtering technology developed by PrivNet, which PGP acquired last November, will take a back seat - perhaps permanently. Although PGP wouldn't say that it is pulling the plug on the product, Fast-Forward is considered a "lower priority" than other developments, Nelson said. "Internet Fast-Forward is not as closely related to the tools we develop for individuals for privacy," he said. And the fact that Fast-Forward filters ads which are an "inimical part of some of the emerging Web commerce models ... we don't want to hinder this development." Nelson wouldn't say whether the layoffs affected anyone in PrivNet but noted that the acquisition generated engineering talent PGP wanted. That technical know-how along with other resources are being focused on centralized corporate security systems. In fact, the company has put out a casting call for more engineers to satisfy its resource dearth in research and development in this area. Ultimately, all of these adjustments could simply be PGP's preparation to woo the investors it seeks for a public offering. Although PGP has no immediate plans to go public, company officials intend to review these investment schedules this summer, Nelson said. Related Wired Links: PGP's Export Solution: Stamps, Envelopes by James Glave PGP Zooms into Corporate Security by Spencer E. Ante PGP Lets You Take Charge of Your Cookies by James Glave Beat That Tap - It's PGP For Sale by David Lazarus [arrow] [Image] Find Read a story in the Wired News archive. Feedback Let us know how we're doing. TipsHave a story or tip for Wired News? Send it. Copyright © 1993-97 Wired Ventures, Inc. and affiliated companies. All rights reserved.

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Re: Rejecting Dialog with Government Vermin
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Tue, Apr 29, 1997 at 06:03:43PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Think of it this way: there are tactical and strategic decisions. > > Strategically, I would like the Federal government to evolve into a form > > that's consistent with the principles of individual freedom, peace, and > > limited government enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. >><SNIP><< > To put a finer point on it, what flaw existed (exists) in the founding People. They are the flaw. The Constitution relies on the voters being rational, or at least putting the country before themselves. Stupid assumption. > fathers dream and actualization that prevented it from being a stable > condition?

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New Israel
by Gordon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oh geez... Have you heard about NEW ISRAEL yet? It is a 510 page book that addresses one of the primordial obstacles to human life and happiness on our planet Earth, the accursed Middle Eastern conundrum between the Jews and the Palestinians- Arabs-Islamics. The predicate of NEW ISRAEL calls for the creation of a coexistent, with Israel, New Israel in the southern two thirds of the Baja Peninsula, south of California, in North America, with immense benefits for all of those effected. Faced with an impossible dilemma, another choice must be made available. The book explains that new option and all the history, difficulties, and transgressions, that makes the creation of New Israel absolutely necessary. For more information, including an 18 page detailed outline of NEW ISRAEL, and the full 41 page Preface to NEW ISRAEL - which provides rich details about the reasoning and rationale foundation of NEW ISRAEL, visit the NEW ISRAEL website at : http://www.seymourtex.com/newisrael/ni.htm

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EVENT: FCC Universal Service Hearing to be cybercast online!
by Shabbir Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================================================= _ _ __| | ___ _ __ ___ ___ ___ _ __ __ _ ___ _ _ _ __ ___| |_ / _` |/ _ \ '_ ` _ \ / _ \ / __| '__/ _` |/ __| | | | | '_ \ / _ \ __| | (_| | __/ | | | | | (_) | (__| | | (_| | (__| |_| |_| | | | __/ |_ \__,_|\___|_| |_| |_|\___/ \___|_| \__,_|\___|\__, (_)_| |_|\___|\__| |___/ Government Without Walls Update No.6 http:/www.democracy.net/ May 1 1997 _________________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents - Sit in on live FCC Universal Service hearing: May 7, 9:30am Eastern - Live Town Hall Meeting with FCC Chairman Reed Hundt: May 13, 7pm Eastern - In our archive - About democracy.net / Subscription Information ___________________________________________________________________________ SIT IN ON LIVE FCC UNIVERSAL SERVICE HEARING: WEDNESDAY MAY 7, 9:30AM ET The future of Universal Service in the nation's telecommunications network is one of the key elements of our nation's communications infrastructure. At issue - how to ensure that citizens who live in rural and inner city areas have access to advanced telecommunications services, and how to pay for it. The 1996 Telecommunications Reform Act directed the FCC to answer these questions. After nearly a year of investigation, hearings, and public comment, the FCC will announce its rules on Wednesday May 7th. You can join the proceeding live. Be present, ask questions, and get answers from FCC staff after the hearing. (FCC staff are not allowed to comment on a matter before the Commission before the commissioners have made their ruling.) Best of all, FCC Chairman Reed Hundt will join democracy.net on Tuesday May 13 for an online town hall meeting. 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Re: SAFE Bill is a Good Thing--"Crypto For The Masses"
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 22:09 5/01/97 -0500, Mac Norton wrote: >On Thu, 1 May 1997, Alan Davidson wrote: >> 2. CDT Does Not Support The Criminal Provision in SAFE > >I don't get it. CDT loudly supports the bill. The bill >contains the criminal provision. I don't get it. Do you? >MacN Ditto cubed. It's so easy to say, "We oppose it with the criminal provision. We support it without the criminal provision." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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by Staff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Layoffs at PGP
by Martin Janzen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, PGP spokesman Mike Nelson wins the award for the Freudian slip of the day: "Internet Fast-Forward is not as closely related to the tools we develop for individuals for privacy," he said. And the fact that Fast-Forward filters ads which are an "inimical part of some of the ^^^^^^^^ emerging Web commerce models ... we don't want to hinder this development." The http://c.gp.cs.cmu.edu:5103/prog/webster server says: Inimical \In*im"i*cal\ (?; 277), a. [L. inimicalis, fr. inimicus unfriendly, hostile; pref. in- not + amicus friendly. See Amity.] 1. Having the disposition or temper of an enemy; unfriendly; unfavorable; -- chiefly applied to private, as hostile is to public, enmity. 2. Opposed in tendency, influence, or effects; antagonistic; inconsistent; incompatible; adverse; repugnant. We are at war with a system, which, by its essence, is inimical to all other governments. --Burke. Perhaps he meant "intrinsic", or "integral" -- although I rather like the version with the typo myself... :-) MJ

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SAFE Bill is a Good Thing--"Crypto For The Masses"
by Alan Davidson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The SAFE encryption bill would put more non-escrow, strong encryption in the hands of many more people -- and mark the death knell for government regulation of encryption. That's why CDT supports it. That's why we hope that people who care about privacy and security online will support it too. 1. The SAFE Bill Will Bring More Strong Crypto To More People There is a right we don't have now: The right to export strong cryptography. The result is that strong, easy-to-use encryption is not seamlessly integrated into most popular products, and is not accessible to most people (who are not as technically sophisticated as the members of this list.) SAFE would legalize the export (to all but a few countries such as Iran, N. Korea, and Cuba) of non-escrow encryption *of unlimited strength* that is designed for the mass market or is in the public domain, i.e.: "(i) that is generally available, as is, and is designed for installation by the purchaser; or "(ii) that is in the public domain for which copyright or other protection is not available under title 17, United States Code, or that is available to the public because it is generally accessible to the interested public in any form;" (See also Footnote below) Translation: If it's sold in Egghead Software, it's exportable. If it's available on the Web: exportable. PGP: exportable. 3DES, IDEA, or Blowfish in mass-market products or public domain toolkits: Exportable. Exportable. Exportable. So the export control provisions in SAFE would put a lot more strong crypto -- and the freedom to use it -- in the hands of a lot more people. SAFE's export control relief is not unlimited. The bill does not allow export to Iran, Iraq, Cuba, or N. Korea (that's what the "Trading With The Enemy" provision is about); Congress is not likely to pass a law saying you can export strong crypto to Saddam Hussein. Relief is also limited for non-mass-market hardware and software (e.g., custom systems not available to the public). Non-mass-market hardware is exportable if "commercially available" in the destination country; such software is exportable according to a hard-to-parse "financial institutions" standard that roughly translates into DES. Less than ideal -- but these provisions do not apply to most of the hardware and software that most people use. What SAFE does legalize is strong, non-escrow encryption in the products that are most widely used, in almost all countries worldwide. Once *ordinary people* have strong crypto built in to the products they use every day, it will be much harder for governments to take it away or restrict it. SAFE is "strong crypto for the masses." SAFE is a huge step forward. 2. CDT Does Not Support The Criminal Provision in SAFE CDT is actively working to get the criminal provision taken out of the SAFE bill. We are not alone: CDT signed a letter with other groups including EPIC, EFF, ACLU, VTW, PGP, IEEE, and ACM, urging Congress to remove the provisions -- "while expressing our support for the measure." Contrary to reports, the SAFE bill does not say: "Use a cipher, go to prison." It does say: "Use cryptography TO COMMIT A CRIME, go to prison": 2805. Unlawful use of encryption in furtherance of a criminal act "Any person who willfully uses encryption in furtherance of the commission of a criminal offense for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of competent jurisdiction... [may be imprisoned or fined]" The Leahy bill version is narrower. It says: "Use cryptography to willfully obstruct justice in furtherance of a felony, go to prison." "Whoever willfully endeavors by means of encryption to obstruct, impede, or prevent the communication to an investigative or law enforcement officer of information in furtherance of a felony that may be prosecuted in a court of the United States shall...[may be imprisoned or fined]" CDT opposes both these provisions because they are unnecessary and could chill the use of encryption (especially by self-confessed felons like Tim May!). But they are not as sweeping as some on this list have said. On balance, CDT believes that SAFE's giant step forward of export relief and prohibitions on Executive Branch key escrow controls outweigh the problems created by these criminal provision. That is why we will fight to get criminal provisions removed, while we still support the bill. Passage of the SAFE Bill would put strong security tools in the hands of many more people. That's why CDT supports SAFE, and why we think people who care about privacy and security online should support it too. -- Alan Davidson, CDT FOOTNOTE: The Export Provisions in SAFE The export control provisions in SAFE differentiate between so-called mass-market and non-mass-market hardware and software. Mass-market software and hardware with non-escrow encryption of *unlimited strength* may be exported under the Act to all but a few countries (such as Iran, N. Korea, and Cuba): (2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. -- No validated license may be required, except pursuant to the Trading With the Enemy Act or the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (but only to the extent that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls imposed under this Act), for the export or reexport of-- "(A) any software, including software with encryption capabilities -- "(i) that is generally available, as is, and is designed for installation by the purchaser; or "(ii) that is in the public domain for which copyright or other protection is not available under title 17, United States Code, or that is available to the public because it is generally accessible to the interested public in any form; or "(B) any computing device solely because it incorporates or employs in any form software (including software with encryption capabilities) exempted from any - requirement for a validated license under subparagraph (A). [See http://www.cdt.org/crypto/legis_105/SAFE/hr695_text.html for the Bill's definitions of "generally available," "as is", etc.] Non-mass-market hardware and software -- suach as code not generally available to the public via the Internet, or custom implementations not generally available or sold "as is" -- receive less favorable treatment: "(3) SOFTWARE WITH ENCRYPTION CAPABILITIES. -- The Secretary shall authorize the export or reexport of software with encryption capabilities for nonmilitary end-uses in any country to which exports of software of similar capability are permitted for use by financial institutions not controlled in fact by United States persons, unless there is substantial evidence that such software will be -- "(A) diverted to a military end-use or an end-use supporting international terrorism; "(B) modified for military or terrorist end-use; or "(C) reexported without any authorization by the United States that may be required under this Act. This "financial institutions" standard is supposed to roughly translate into DES. "(4) HARDWARE WITH ENCRYPTION CAPABILITIES. -- The Secretary shall authorize the export or reexport of computer hardware with encryption capabilities if the Secretary determines that a product offering comparable security is commercially available outside the United States from a foreign supplier, without effective restrictions. So non-mass-market hardware can be exported *with any encryption algorithm* if a "comparable" product is available outside the U.S. from a foreign supplier without restriction.

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counterTCM post
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in the continuing series of counterTCMeme posts, I would like to address a recent TCMeme on the subject of government. TCM asserts that the president and congress have absolutely nothing to offer american citizens, that any attempt to deal with them is a total waste of time. I generally agree that our democratic system has degenerated over the decades, to the point of being scary and dangerous in places. however, we can ask, why did it get to that point? I believe it is not because of an inherent impracticality of the government or congress. rather, it is a failure of the citizens to maintain the authority over their congressmen and president. once upon a time, citizens saw congress and the president as their servants. it led to a particular kind of ideology reflected in the policies of the country. over time, people gradually gave away this authority. they saw the president and congress as having authority over citizens, instead of vice versa. TCM's idea of telling congress and the president to f*** off is actually, in my opinion, an extreme case of people giving away their authority. it is more of the same problem, not the solution. it is failing to address the root of the problem-- that the president and congress must be put in a subservient relationship to the desires of the citizens. citizens are failing to exercise their ability to remove and replace those in power. TCM quotes De ToqueVille, "the american experiment in democracy will last until people begin to realize they can pick each other's pockets at the voting booth". there is a fallacy and a truth in this at the same time. the truth is that the citizenry is beginning to discover that the government is the greatest pickpocket of all. if it redistributed its wealth, our economy would be better off. but instead the government ties up vast amounts of wealth into (1) social programs that redistribute only a fraction of the wealth they take in, the rest caught up in bureacracy (2) weaponry that sits idle, and is so horrific that it should never be used, and (3) a national debt of borrowed money. so people are no longer trying to pick each other's pockets at the voting booth, in my opinion, but realizing that the government itself is picking everyone's pockets at tax time. everyone who pays money via taxes to the government is the employer of those in government. when was the last time you exercised some control over this money? or do you just sign it off? there are many ways that individual citizens can create leverage over their government, and increase their power over it. it is the opposite of the process by which they have given their power away. it is reversable. but to unplug oneself from the monster one has created is not possible as TCM is always campaigning. the monster will run around some more. one must uncreate the monster in the same ways it was created. I commend CDT and all other online groups for their organizational motives and drive, and condemn TCM for his pissing on them. what is he doing? he is just unplugging himself and asserting that the monster will no longer exist if he refuses to believe in it. the road to greater power is greater organization and unity while preserving individuality. the individualism that TCM promotes is actually ultimately disempowering and dangerous. the individual has no power. the solution to an oppressive society is to fix the society, not to try to find increasingly ingenious ways of hiding from it. the society will always has means of becoming more orwellian and surmounting whatever obstacles individuals place in it. if something is broken, do you fix it, or abandon it? or shoot it? TCM is always advocating the latter two. it's not a solution, and he knows it, and everyone else here knows it too.

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INFO: SAFE pro-encryption bill passes first Congressional hurdle (5/1/1997)
by Shabbir J. Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| PRO-ENCRYPTION BILL CLEARS FIRST CONGRESSIONAL HURDLE. FACES TOUGHER TEST IN COMING WEEKS. SAFE BILL IS ASSAILED BY CLINTON WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE IT PROHIBITS EXPANDED EAVESDROPPING CAPABILITIES Date: May 1, 1997 Expires June 1, 1997 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news(a)panix.com Redistribution of crypto-news is allowed in its entirety. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents What Just Happened What YOU CAN DO NOW! How to start or stop receiving crypto-news Press contacts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT JUST HAPPENED On Wednesday April 30, 1997, Congress took a historic first step towards real reform of US encryption policy and promoting the availability of strong privacy protections for Internet users. The House Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual property, by a unanimous vote, approved the Security and Freedom through Encryption (SAFE) Act (HR 695). The bill will be considered by the full House Judiciary Committee in mid-May where it is expected to face tough opposition, The SAFE bill, sponsored by Reps. Bob Goodlatee (R-VA) and Anna Eshoo (D-CA) currently has 78 congressional co-sponsors, including a majority of the House Judiciary Committee. The bill seeks to protect privacy and promote electronic commerce by liberalizing the export of privacy-enhancing encryption technology and prohibiting the the government from imposing mandatory key-escrow or key-recovery systems. The bill also contains a controversial provision which establishes new criminal penalties for the use of encryption in the furtherance of a felony. Privacy groups have expressed concern about this provision. During Wednesday's subcommittee vote, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) pledged to work with privacy groups and the bill's sponsors to address these concerns. The Clinton Administration is unhappy with the bill, claiming it will thwart law enforcement and undermine the administration's efforts to impose a global "key-recovery" infrastructure. In an April 30 letter to the Courts and Intellectual Property Subcommittee chair Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC), the Department of Justice said: "The bill could be read as prohibiting the United States government from using appropriate incentives to support a key management infrastructure and KEY RECOVERY." [emphasis added] The Administration's "Key Recovery" program creates a backdoor in encryption that would allow third parties to eavesdrop on individual's private conversations without their permission or knowledge. Because of the Administration's opposition, the SAFE bill is expected to face a much tougher fight before the full House Judiciary Committee later this month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW The SAFE bill (HR695) is approaching the full committee for markup. Your help is needed in calling members of the House Judiciary committee to urge them to pass legislation. This is a critical issue to the future of the Internet as a secure and trusted means of education, commerce, and political discourse, but it will not happen without your help. Please take a moment to Adopt Your Legislator and let them know that you support efforts to refrom US encryption policy in a way that protects privacy, promotes electronic commerce, and recognizes the realities of the global Internet. Visit http://www.crypto.com/adopt/ For more information about the bill, go to http://www.crypto.com/safe_bill/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO START OR STOP RECEIVING CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo(a)panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, send a letter to majordomo(a)panix.com with "unsubscribe crypto-news" in the body. Requests to unsubscribe that are sent to shabbir(a)vtw.org will be ignored. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir(a)vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger(a)cdt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End crypto-news =============================================================================

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EAR questions.
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ Didn't get much response when I posted this to cryptography(a)c2.net. Hope there will be more response on cypherpunks. ] I couldn't find a solid answer to the following questions, after reading relevent sections of the EAR, and talking to some people. I am looking for considered opinions, not legal advice. 1) Does a software such as the DESCHALL client or Peter Trei's DESKR program, in object code form, need a license to be exported? Keep in mind that even thought there are some cryptographic functions inside the programs, they cannot be directly used to encrypt data, nor can they be easily modified (i.e. without reverse engineering) to make data encryption possible. 2) Does the "printed matter exception" apply only to publications? Is it legal, under the EAR, for somebody in the US to print out the source code for an encryption program on paper and send it to a private party abroad (not a country in the enemies list). Does it make any difference whether this is done for monetory compensation? Does it make any difference whether the sender intends to keep the source code secret between himself and the recipient? Btw, it looks like the language about scannable encryption source code, that was in the draft regulations, have been removed. One more, general question. 3) Is it correct to say that, as long as you are not selling it to a military organization and the software is intended for civilian use, the export of encryption software is now controlled exclusively by the EAR, and not by the ITAR? I ask this because many of the people who answered "only publications" to question 2) above, could only quote the ITAR in support of their position. Thanks. -- Anil Das

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Re: Layoffs at PGP
by Wesley Felter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5/1/97 6:41 PM, Martin Janzen said: >Well, PGP spokesman Mike Nelson wins the award for the Freudian slip of >the day: > > "Internet Fast-Forward is not as closely related to the tools we > develop for individuals for privacy," he said. And the fact that > Fast-Forward filters ads which are an "inimical part of some of the > ^^^^^^^^ > emerging Web commerce models ... we don't want to hinder this > development." Unless you take it to mean that banner ads are important for "emerging Web commerce models" which is what PGP doesn't want to hinder the development of, in which case I'd say that IFF is inimical indeed. Both ways, they lose. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Wesley Felter | Have you ever had your phone tapped | | | by the government? YOU WILL. | | wesf(a)mail.utexas.edu | And the company to bring it to you: | | http://adhoc.com.inter.net/ | AT&T | -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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