December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

WPI Cryptoseminar, Wednesday, 10/14
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: goya.WPI.EDU: christof owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> To: "WPI.Crypto.Seminar":; cc: DCSB <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: WPI Cryptoseminar, Wednesday, 10/14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> WPI Cryptography and Information Security Seminar Prof. David Finkel, CS Dept., WPI PERFORMANCE AND SECURITY IN WEB-BASED ELECTRONIC COMMERCE Wednesday, October 14 4:00 pm, AK 108 (refreshments at 3:45 pm) This talk reports on the results of a performance evaluation of a testbed electronic commerce application on the World Wide Web. The study measured the performance of the system using different levels of security, and offers some insights into the performance costs of security for such an installation. In addition, we discuss the performance implications of different implementation strategies. The work represents a joint effort by researchers from WPI and Stratus Computer, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS: The WPI Cryptoseminar is being held in the Atwater Kent building on the WPI campus. The Atwater Kent building is at the intersection of West and Salisbury Street for those coming from outside. Directions to the campus can be found at http://www.wpi.edu/About/Visitors/directions.html TALKS IN THE FALL '98 SEMESTER: 8/12 Kris Gaj, George Mason University Quantum Computers and Classical Supercomputers as a Threat to Existing Ciphers. 10/6 Christof Paar, WPI Report on AES 10/14 David Finkel, CS Dept., WPI Performance and Security in Web-based Electronic Commerce 10/28 Thomas Blum, WPI Efficient FPGA Architectures for Public-Key Algorithms [other talks to be announced] See also http://ece.WPI.EDU/Research/crypt/seminar/index.html for abstracts of some of the talks. MAILING LIST: If you want to be added to the mailing list and receive talk announcements together with abstracts, please send me a short mail. Likewise, if you want to be removed from the list, just send me a short mail. Regards, Christof Paar ************************************************************************* Christof Paar http://ee.wpi.edu/People/faculty/cxp.html Assistant Professor email: christof(a)ece.wpi.edu Cryptography Group phone: (508) 831 5061 ECE Department, WPI fax: (508) 831 5491 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609, USA ************************************************************************* For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS SHIPS F-SECURE FILECRYPTO
by Marita N�sman-Repo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:02:23 -0400 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > As entertaining as literary deconstruction can be, what is > interesting here is not what Juliet meant, but what Perry Metzger > meant in quoting Juliet. Which to have *any* impact implicity requires a commen understanding of what Juliet was saying within the context of human society and *not* personal ego. From that point it's only a question of what literary technique (eg irony or allegory) was Perry the person using. That technique will define the constraints on what Perry can say, not Perry's desire to say anything in particular. It will always come back to what the base definitions of a word are in a given language-culture milieu. Yes you can play with it but *only* within the context of that language. To do otherwise breaks the syntax-symantics connection and creates another language entirely (or more likely gibberish). ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:39:08 +0000 > From: Michael Hohensee <mah248(a)is9.nyu.edu> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > > > Absolutely nothing. That's my point, not yours --or at least not the > > > point you made in your previous post. > > > > It is *exactly* the point I have made from day 1. > > It would appear that Jim either cannot read his own posts (and this may > well be, as I had a hard time deciphering the exact meaning of that last > paragraph-sized sentence), or simply cannot remember them. He certainly > seems to have a problem with reading the posts of others. Here is my position. I am pro nuke. Even given the lethality of the compound and the costs related to disposal it still represents a better investment of resources and human lives than natural oil, gas, etc. Yes coal plants use and put out heated water, and yes it effects the environment. Yes nuclear plants put out as much water as coal plants. It still represents the major constituecy efluent from a nuclear plant in regards environmental hazard. The only real question I had regarding nuclear plants versus coal was the water retention process and the manner in which nuclear plants process it (there is a question related to comparing coal to nukes that takes this into account). I was under the (now apparently mistaken) impression there was a regulation that seperated the core cooling water from the energy regeneration system driving the turbines (which drive the generators). The actual process is to release that water slowly over time into the normaly non-radioactive effluent. Coal plants on the other hand do put out over 300,000 tons of solid waster per year for a 1000MW plant. This posses a much higher health hazard (irrespective of some parts per billion contaminant that is the most toxic substance known to man) than the .5 tons of solid waste a nuclear plant puts out. Yes there are stupid laws regarding private processing of nuclear fuel. No, I don't support them and *nothing* I ever said can be construed that way. > I'm being to him --flaming him for no good reason! (it's true, there > isn't a good reason for flaming one such as Jim, they have no effect > --but it is somewhat cathartic). While being certain to avoid > responding to anything in my previous two posts --or at least not in a > way that makes any sense. Um, to be absolutely accurate, I have only 'flamed' a few people on this list ever. Tim May, Perry Metzger, Micheal Frumkin, Adam, a couple of others I don't remember at the moment. I did it in only one or two instances (Hi Timmy!) toward any one person. I think the most offensive statement was calling Perry Metzger a son-of-a-bitch one time because of a particular self-centered comment he'd made. That was '93 I think, check the archives. I don't believe I've ever flamed you. And don't intend to now. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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readme.txt
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lets not sit here breeding hatred amongst ourselves over software licenses, for god's sake. we have more important things to do. we need to try and implement more different --kinds-- of crypto applications, like tim says in a recent post. we have to work together on this, not spread hard feelings amongst our little group. (really i think the number of people who can write this kind of code and who understand the political part is miniscule.) coopration is key. fucking smash the state. In a closed-door manuever, controversial "roving wiretap" provisions have been added to a major Intelligence authorization bill and passed by the House. Current wiretapping law allows tapping of a particular person's phones. The new provisions would dramatically expand current authority by allowing taps on any phone used by, or "proximate" to, the person being tapped -- no matter whose phone it is. http://www.cdt.org/legislation/calea/roving.html

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Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:13:04 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd) > Choate, who's never tried large-scale free markets, says that Actualy it's how I make my living, supporting those large scale markets (I won't argue the free part). > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on force to prevent Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not once, not ever. I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the government'. What is important to my thesis is that the regulator is impartial. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Welcome to The New York Times on the Web
by announce＠inbox.nytimes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by GartnerGroup 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not really, the state holds a monopoly on "legal" force, whereas the Mafia and other black-market organizations do not. What is interesting is they use force often because they cannot use the government legal system to arbitrate their disputes. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mynott [mailto:stevem@tightrope.demon.co.uk] > On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 04:14:32PM -0700, Matthew James Gering wrote: > > > > The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: > > > > a) the use of force > > wouldn't this characteristic define the mafia as a "state" to some > degree?

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RE: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on > force to prevent > > Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not > once, not ever. No, I believe he said (meant) government's monopoly on force (i.e. regulation, not anarchism), not government monopolies. > I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an > *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the > government'. Wow, I happen to agree, people need on objective framework in which to take their disputes. The only such framework though that need be a monopoly is one that deals with force as the dispute or where force is the end retribution (i.e. you cannot have regulatory arbitrage with force). The problem is the assumption that any such regulator could be impartial. The need for such arbiter needs to be minimized (hence minimal/limited government = laissez faire != anarcho-capitalism). Matt

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IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:28:13 -0400 From: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Organization: Unknown Organization MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com" <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Subject: IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Oct 08, 1998 (Tech Web - CMP via COMTEX) -- An open source security program created by a team of Navy programmers is proving to be one of the most successful high-tech network burglar alarms online. Late last month, the Navy released an unusual warning -- attackers were probing military computers in ways that had previously gone unnoticed, coordinating efforts around the world to keep any individual series of probes virtually invisible. Analysts had finally noticed the potential crackers' coordinated probes using the Navy's SHADOW, or Secondary Heuristic Analysis System for Defensive Online Warfare, intrusion-detection program. "It was partly dumb luck," said Stephen Northcutt, the Navy's lead analyst and programmer on the SHADOW team. But the software's sensitivity to subtle attacks, combined with the number-crunching power of statisticians associated with the project, let Northcutt and his team of analysts tease evidence of the probes out of a mass of apparently innocuous network logs, he said. The SHADOW software is one of a growing number of intrusion-detection tools on the market, designed to pick up and help analyze attempts to break into computer networks instead of simply functioning as a passive firewall-style siege wall. Most of the major commercial-security vendors, such as Axent, Internet Security Systems, or Network Associates, all provide intrusion-detection programs, with support and service teams that can help analyze possible attacks. SHADOW is different in this respect. It is freely distributed online. Like most open source programs, there is some documentation, but no official support -- although there is a huge community of programmers who have looked at the code and have written improvements and continue to tinker with the way it functions. The software itself is the product of more than two years of work by a team led by Northcutt. The code was initially released to the public last May, and revised later in the summer after a slew of comments and criticism from outside developers. It consists of two parts. Sensors sit outside a network firewall, monitoring normal and potentially illicit attempts to enter the network. An analysis system sits inside the firewall keeping a log of activity, and periodically putting this information in front of a human security analyst. In the months since its release, the program has been picked up and used by several major financial institutions, universities, local government systems, and divisions of large companies that don't have budgets for commercial intrusion-detection programs, Northcutt said. "It's very good at doing some things and not so good at others," said Allen Paller, chief researcher at the SANS Institute, a network-security research and education organization. The program can be initially difficult to use, since it requires users to program their own filters to recognize attacks or probes not included in the original documentation. But the program's open source birth and evolution has made it strong and extremely sensitive, Paller said. "The real strength of this process is [the program] has been beaten on." Northcutt is a proponent of pushing the open source model even beyond the development of code, at least in the security field. Most intrusion-detection programs function by picking up unusual events -- malformed TCP or domain name system queries, handshakes between servers and clients that don't look quite right, or other signs of computer probes and attacks. SHADOW and other commercial trip-wire programs do a good job of picking up things they recognize, Northcutt and other security analysts said. But new attacks -- such as the coordinated probes spotlighted by the Navy last month -- require considerable expert analysis to spot. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," we have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." -- Stephen Northcutt U.S. Navy That's where the open source model comes in, Northcutt said. Intrusion-detection analysts can function best if information about different attacks is widely and freely distributed. The Navy site that distributes SHADOW publishes much of the information it uncovers, and distributes new filters that recognize new attacks and probes. This kind of open, widely shared information is critical for stopping crackers, but must happen on a wide scale, he said. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," Northcutt said. "We have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." Paller agreed. His organization is one of several that sponsor workshops where security professionals can share their experiences with their peers. SANS also runs a security-oriented mailing list with nearly 55,000 subscribers, many of whom served as SHADOW reviewers. "Unless we get communication lines going, we can't keep up," Paller said. "Otherwise, we don't have a chance." -0- Copyright (C) 1998 CMP Media Inc. News provided by COMTEX. 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Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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No Subject
by Connectfree Admins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This might seem like a paradox: you give people "more freedom", but >they end up with less. How can that be? It has to do with stretching >the word "freedom" to include the ability to control other people. >That kind of "freedom" tends to leave other people with less freedom. >What happened with the X Window System illustrates this unambiguously >(see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/x.html) This assumes that writing and selling proprietary software is 'the ability to control other people'. I fail to see why this would be the case. Free software is a good thing, but people *choose* to accept the restrictions of non-free software for any number of reasons. I do not see anyone being coerced into using it by threat of physical force. regards, -Blake (who prefers markets to religions, even with software)

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Re: Something else...
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that >> freedom comes from chaos. > > Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, > naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a > compromise of that. I was thinking more along the lines of : an animal that has literal freedom spends 99.9% of its time looking for food and avoiding predators. The order we impose upon our lives by being social animals give us a more satisfying type of freedom that is derived from leisure. What I see as the real problem is that as the degree of order is increased the society becomes more like an anthill. Which I consider the perfect example of a bioengineered police state. Kind of what corporate America would like all of us citizens to be - predictable controllable unquestioning undeviating uncreative underthethumb consumer units. A key means to this end is eliminating cash and privacy. It's no here yet but it's in process. I don't think it's a conspiratorial effort either - it's more the result of widespread bad behavior. I'm rather stunned at the blatant disregard our representatives display for the basic liberties the moment these liberties seem inconvenient. Mike Don't trust your HW or your SW. There are soldier ant footprints everywhere.

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Re: Something else... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IP: ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete?
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:40:03 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete? News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Friday October 9, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The New York Times, October 8, 1998 http://www.nytimes.com What's on Your Hard Drive? If You Want Privacy, It Pays to Find Out What Data Your Computer Saves And How to Erase Information That the Delete Button Hardly Touches http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+iib-site+52+ 0+wAAA+privacy By PETER H. LEWIS For computer users, some of the more startling revelations in the Starr report have nothing to do with sex. Footnotes in the report from the Office of the Independent Counsel include such phrases as "document recovered from Ms. Lewinsky's home computer," "e-mail retrieved from Catherine Davis's computer" and "deleted file from Ms. Lewinsky's home computer." One of the ways Kenneth W. Starr's investigators peered into the private lives of their subjects was to peer into their computers. What they were able to find, and the ease with which they found it, may prompt computer users to re-evaluate their computer practices. Word processing software, Web browsing software and electronic mail have become integral to all sorts of communications, both professional and personal. As a result, many people have files on their hard disks that they wish to keep private, like love letters, confidential business documents or financial data. And many people have sensitive, confidential and potentially embarrassing files in their computers that they do not know are there, either because they think that the files have been erased or because they are unaware that certain common programs on the computer automatically keep a log of what the user does. "Recovering files that were deleted from a computer directory is a trivial process," said Joel R. Reidenberg, a professor at the Fordham University School of Law in New York who specializes in privacy issues. He said a related issue was the computer's creation of sensitive files that the user often did not know were there in the first place. "The user's Web browser will create files, unbeknownst to the user, that record all their interactions," Professor Reidenberg said. "Many people today know about cookie files, but the browser creates a history file as well that keeps a record of the Web sites the user visits. And then there's a cache file that sometimes even keeps copies of the pictures that have been downloaded." More obscure are the temporary files created by word processors, for example, and the so-called swap files that an operating system creates as a way to manage computer memory. These files often remain readable even if the original files are erased. In computers, being safe can sometimes lead to being sorry, as Oliver L. North discovered in the Iran-contra investigation in the Reagan Administration, when incriminating files he thought had been deleted were later resurrected from network backup tapes. In the current Justice Department investigation of the Microsoft Corporation, e-mail messages and memorandums from long ago are being resurrected from computer disks and cited as crucial evidence. The great majority of computer users have little reason to believe that their computer files will be scrutinized by law-enforcement agents, corporate and government spies, or even special investigators. But what about unscrupulous co-workers or curious children or computer thieves? What confidential information resides on the hard disk of the computer that was donated to charity, sold at a yard sale or accidentally left on the commuter train? Examples abound of sensitive information going out the door when government agencies, pharmacies, doctors' offices and other businesses donate or sell used computers without erasing the computers' memories. Last year, for example, a woman in Nevada bought a used computer from an Internet auction company and was surprised to find that it contained names, addresses, Social Security numbers and prescription information for 2,000 people, including people being treated for AIDS, alcoholism and mental illnesses. A pharmacy had failed to erase the information when it sold the computer. The rise in the number of computer thefts and the increased sharing of computers in the home are confronting consumers with security issues that in the past were issues only for big corporations, banks, the military and government agencies, said Steve Solomon, chief executive of Citadel Technology Inc., a security software company in Dallas whose products include Winshield and Folderbolt. "It's moving down into the small office and home office markets, to schools and to home computer users," he said. How does one keep confidential information private? And when the information is no longer needed, how does one make sure that it is completely erased? Both questions involve a combination of good computer security policies and good security software. The software is the easy part. Creating and sticking with good security habits is the hard part. "Technology exists today to protect individual privacy for as long as the individual chooses to keep the information private," said Scott Schnell, senior vice president of marketing at RSA Data Security of San Mateo, Calif. Computer users today have access to inexpensive software tools that can encrypt the contents of a file (including images), an e-mail message or even the entire contents of a computer so thoroughly that it can never be read by someone else in our lifetimes. Other programs can shred unwanted files so completely that no one can recover them. But very few people use such security tools. Computers are good at keeping secrets. Too good, in fact. The secrets can reside on a computer, and on a computer network, long after the user deletes them. The files are forgotten, but not gone. Deleting a file does not really delete the file. It merely hides it from view so it no longer shows up in a directory of files. It's like getting an unlisted telephone number. The listing may not appear in the phone directory, but the phone can still ring if someone knows the right number. When a user deletes a file, the computer stops listing it in the file directory and marks the disk space as available for reuse. Another file may eventually be written atop the same space, obliterating any traces of the original. But as hard disk capacities swell into the gigabytes, the space may not be overwritten for a long, long time. In that limbo period when the deleted file is undead, any moderately skilled computer user can locate, restore and read the deleted file by using such commands as "undelete" or "unerase," which are common features of many software utilities. The computer's ability to remember deleted files is most often a good thing, especially when important files have been deleted by accident. Every day, computer technicians get frantic calls from people who have inadvertently erased the boss's speech or the big presentation due the next morning, or who have children who have erased those boring Quicken folders to make room on the disk for games. At those moments, being able to resurrect the files from the dead seems like a miracle. There are a number of utility programs available that have an "unerase" capability, to be used both in emergencies and as a precaution against accidents. Examples include Norton Utilities from the Symantec Corporation. But as with most tools, "unerase" programs can be dangerous in the wrong hands. To truly erase a file and prevent it from being recovered, one must write over it, or wipe it. There are several utility programs available that enable the user to overwrite a single file or the entire disk, or anything in between. Such programs typically have apocalyptic names, such as Shredder, Flame File and Burn. Similar disk-wiping tools are often included in PC utility programs and encryption programs, but others are available for downloading without charge from the Internet. These programs typically hash over the designated disk space with meaningless patterns of ones and zeroes, instead of the meaningful patterns of ones and zeroes that represent the original information. That process renders the deleted file unreadable in most cases. The key phrase is "in most cases." Just as with encryption, there are people working just as hard to recover wiped files as there are people working to wipe them. Law-enforcement agencies and spies have developed ways to reverse a simple, one-pass wipe with ones and zeroes and retrieve the original file. So the Federal Government requires that sensitive files be wiped many times with random characters, which, in theory, obliterates the original file and makes it unrecoverable. Unless, of course, the file has already been copied onto backup tapes. In the digital world, the original file may be shredded, while one or more perfect copies can exist elsewhere. An even more bulletproof way to render files unreadable is to encrypt them. Encryption scrambles a disk or file, including pictures (or a telephone conversation, or a credit card sent over the Internet) so it can be opened and read only by the person holding the proper key, or password. The strength of the encryption is often measured by the length of the key, which is in turn measured in bits. In general, each additional bit of key length doubles the amount of effort needed for unauthorized users to break the key. Even weak encryption (with a 40-bit key length, for example) is sufficient to deter most casual snoops. Breaking a 56-bit key requires computing resources that are beyond the reach of all but the most determined code breakers, and even then it can require days of sustained attacks by a supercomputer just to crack one e-mail message. (The Government's National Security Agency, by far the most formidable group of code breakers on the planet, is thought to be able to break 56-bit keys in a much shorter time, said Enrique Salem, a chief technology officer at Symantec, whose products include Disk Lock, Norton Your Eyes Only, and Norton Secret Stuff. Some encryption programs available today use 128-bit keys, which are "infinitely unbreakable, at least in our lifetimes, even taking into consideration the predictable advances in computing power," said Schnell of RSA. In other words, it is more secure than the strongest physical vault ever built. Not even the National Security Agency is believed to have the ability to break a 128-bit key. And then there is e-mail. People type all sorts of embarrassing, confidential or intemperate words in e-mail in the mistaken belief that such messages are private. In reality, messages sent by e-mail are less secure than messages scribbled on a postcard. The way the Internet mail system works, an e-mail message passes through several exchange points, or nodes, on its way to the recipient's computer. The system administrator at each handoff point can in theory read the message, copy it, reroute it or tamper with it. If the message originates or terminates in a corporate computer system, chances are high that a copy will persist in the company's backup tapes or disk for days, at least. In the end, there are only two ways to keep information confidential in the digital age. One is to use strong encryption. The other is never to write it down or speak it in the first place. PRIVACY PROTECTION: Who knows what secrets lurk on your hard drive? With luck, and with the following security programs, only you do. PGP 6.0 (Windows 95, 98 and NT, and Macintosh OS 7.5.3 and newer; free for individual, noncommercial use) Philip R. Zimmermann's Pretty Good Privacy, or PGP, is one of the world's most widely used encryption programs for personal computers, so good, in fact, that the United States Government contends that it is as potent a military weapon as a jet fighter or a cruise missile. NORTON YOUR EYES ONLY 4.1 (Windows 95, 98 and NT; about $75; (800) 441-7234.) Norton Your Eyes Only performs a variety of password-protected security functions. It can be set to blank the screen and lock the computer if the user steps away for a minute or to prevent unauthorized users from booting the machine. RSA SECURPC (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $59; Security Dynamics Technologies; (800) 732-8743.) Intended more for small office use, SecurPC links with the Windows Explorer file management system to automatically and transparently lock disks and files with 128-bit encryption, but it allows the keys to be shared with administrators. COOKIE CRUSHER (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $15 shareware; www.zdnet.com/swlib, www.shareware.com, etc.) Cookies are small files that a Web site installs on your hard drive. The cookie can contain technical and personal information, including a history of the Web pages you have visited. These utilities enable the user to accept or reject cookies. BCWIPE WINDOWS (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $15 shareware; www. download.com, www.zdnet.com/swlib and others.) For those who prefer not to use an encryption package, BCWipe provides military-grade file and disk wiping to make sure that deleted files are really erased. 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IP: Canadian Military Ready for Y2K Meltdown
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Canadian Military Ready for Y2K Meltdown Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:18:46 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: NOW On Communications http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/tech.html Militia readies for millennium meltdown 2000 cyberglitch the major concern for Canadian forces By PATRICK CAIN Preparing for a civil emergency resulting from mass computer collapse on January 1, 2000, has become the first priority of the Canadian military, a general told a group of Toronto-area reservists in Meaford Sunday. That means the military is taking the millennium bug so seriously that its worst-case plan, Operation Abacus, is a higher priority than Canada's part in the NATO force in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where 1,319 Canadian soldiers (at the moment, most from Ontario) are helping enforce the Dayton Accord. "Some people argue that it is the first priority amongst many priorities," brigadier general Walt Holmes, who commands ground forces in Ontario, tells NOW Monday. "Our operational commitments in Bosnia will carry on, and so our soldiers who are either deployed to or preparing for those operations will be given the same support. "One can never anticipate what else may happen in the world to cause us to have to deploy soldiers, so the bottom line is, if nothing else from a contingency-planning point of view (emerges) it's the top priority with the Canadian Forces." The problem, often referred to as Y2K, stems from the way computers express the year portion of a numerical date, like 12/31/99. When the code that forms the foundation of modern computer software was being written in the 50s and 60s, programmers decided not to use then-precious computer space for the first two digits of the year. Because computers working on these assumptions aren't aware of centuries or millennia, they will decide that January 1, 2000, is actually January 1, 1900. Because this disrupts the computer's sense of chronological sequence, it can cause chaos and system breakdown. Since computer systems with six-digit dates control everything from electricity systems to emergency dispatch systems to air traffic control, companies, utilities and governments are pouring money and time into finding and fixing the bug. Too vast But because this involves scanning miles upon miles of computer code, some argue that the task is simply too vast and intricate to be accomplished. Rotting food, cranky nuclear reactors, banking systems run amok -- a few hours in the world of Y2K prophecy is enough to make you think a bunker in Algoma full of canned beans might be the best idea after all. Most things we depend on depend on a computer chip somewhere, and that includes deep freezes, nuclear reactors, food distribution systems, banking systems, phone switching systems, wage and pension cheques, taxes, and building management systems without which high-rise office buildings -- and therefore Bay Street -- can't function. "I can't make you feel 100 per cent confident that everything is going to function on January 1 of the year 2000," Ted Clark, the vice-president of Ontario Hydro's Y2K project, told an alarmed parliamentary committee in April. Hydro says it has 600 people working on the problem. But we don't need to wait for the end of the millennium to watch the problem unfold -- Y2K glitches are already happening. Earlier this year, the New York State liquor licence system crashed spectacularly when officials tried to enter a licence that would expire in 2000. More recently, the systems of several hospitals in Pennsylvania crashed when staff tried to enter a medical appointment in 2000. At a conference in Ottawa last week, Toronto-based senior army officers argued for a mobilization plan to deal with military involvement in a possible crisis. Mobilization plan "The recommendation from us is that we would like to see some form of commitment to ensuring that the reserves are able to respond," Holmes observes. "We just said some sort of mobilization plan, to allow us to determine what reserves we may get. (That would correspond to) Level Two mobilization." (In Canadian military doctrine, four stages of mobilization exist -- Stage 1 is the existence of the armed forces, Stage 2 is deployment of the armed forces in its existing organization, Stage 3 is military expansion in an emergency, and Stage 4 is national mobilization in war.) Among the options the military is considering is the stockpiling of food and generators in armouries against a serious emergency. "As to where they're going to go, and what the end result will be, we don't know yet," Holmes says. "It depends on the perceived threat, as we get closer to the date." Persistent rumours that Christmas leave in 1999 will be cancelled for regular soldiers are premature, Holmes says. ("They'll probably wait until everybody's made plans, and do it then," quips military critic Scott Taylor.) One important issue is what legal category military involvement in a crisis would fall into. The armed forces recognize two types of domestic operations -- unarmed assistance to civil authorities, which mostly involves coping with natural disasters like the February ice storm or the Manitoba flood, and "aid to the civil power," which implies the potential use of force. Oka and the imposition of the War Measures Act in 1970 would fall into this latter category. 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IP: Privacy, Other Issues Post Difficulty for E-Commerce Meeting
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Privacy, Other Issues Post Difficulty for E-Commerce Meeting Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:38:25 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: USIA http://www.usia.gov/current/news/latest/98100807.clt.html?/products/washfile /newsitem.shtml 08 October 1998 PRIVACY, OTHER ISSUES POSE DIFFICULTY FOR E-COMMERCE MEETING (U.S. position outlined at OECD conference in Ottawa) (840) By Bruce Odessey USIA Staff Correspondent Ottawa -- As ministers from industrialized countries met to work out ways for promoting electronic commerce, differences persisted on a number of issues, especially privacy. When the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) Ministerial Conference in Ottawa ends October 9, either the ministers will produce a communique demonstrating some sort of agreement or the Canadian minister presiding will produce a communique demonstrating continued disagreement. In an October 8 address to the conference, U.S. Secretary of Commerce William Daley called privacy "the make-or-break issue for all of electronic commerce." At issue are the potential for abuse of credit card numbers and confidential medical and other private information by unscrupulous businesses. Daley was confident that the privacy and other consumer protection issues would be resolved. In a panel session, President Clinton's adviser Ira Magaziner described the U.S. vision for protecting consumer privacy on the Internet, a vision reliant on industry self-regulation, not government regulation. In each country, he said, some independent private sector organization would develop a privacy code of conduct and authorize a graphic seal of approval for web sites that pledge to follow that code. The participating web site would have to notify potential buyers about what information it would collect about the buyer and how it would use it. The buyer would have the choice not to make a purchase under those conditions. In addition, Magaziner said, consumers would have the ability to settle complaints about privacy abuse through the organization, which would also conduct routine audits to assure compliance by its web site participants. Already 70 percent of relevant U.S. businesses conducting electronic commerce have agreed to participate in this program once it becomes established in the next few months, he said. Magaziner compared the U.S. approach with the European Union (EU) approach, which establishes government privacy regulation from the beginning. In fact, a EU privacy directive scheduled to enter into force in two weeks, prohibiting flows of electronic data about EU nationals to countries that have no similar regulation, threatens some disruption of data flows to U.S. companies. Secretary Daley said he remains hopeful the two sides will avert any disruption. "To be frank, we must succeed or millions of transactions between the United States and Europe may be blocked," he said. Magaziner argued that the U.S. vision of an alliance of independent organizations for protecting consumer privacy operating in different countries would achieve the flexibility required for the rapidly evolving business of electronic commerce in a way that governments could not. "None of us know where this is headed," he said. "We have to be very cautious before we act" to impose government regulation that could stifle the expansion of this new technology soon after its birth. The OECD secretariat draft proposal on privacy recognizes the different approaches to privacy and other consumer protection issues -- government regulation and industry self-regulation -- and suggests ways for both to exist. While some EU representatives grumbled that the OECD draft pays too little heed to consumers, Secretary Daley was pleased. "I welcome this commitment to work together to find common ground on this issue," Daley said. "We believe that our self-regulatory approach can co-exist with approaches taken by other governments. "To be honest, it won't be easy," he said. "But with careful thought and hard work, we can get the job done." Privacy is but one in a set of issues concerned about building consumer trust in electronic commerce. Conference participants acknowledged that the level of trust remains low for most consumers, who hesitate to commit their credit card numbers to cyberspace. One of those issues concerns authentication of information exchanged by parties to an e-commerce deal; another concerns enforcement of contracts; another concerns the use of encryption for authentication and privacy. No one expects final answers to emerge at Ottawa. Another area of controversy the ministers are tackling concerns taxation of e-commerce transactions. At an October 8 panel, U.S. Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rossotti said a discussion the day earlier among government and business participants pointed to some consensus emerging at least about broad principles. First, he said, there was consensus that definition was needed about where products delivered by the Internet are consumed, especially for intangible products like services. Second, he said, participants wanted to promote the availability of electronic taxpayer services, including electronic tax filing and provision of tax information and guidance on the Internet. Third, he said, taxes should be collected in a way that does not disadvantage those who comply and tax authorities should aim to prevent cheating by electronic means. Fourth, he said, existing international tax rules should be clarified for their application to electronic commerce, especially potential problems caused by the location of information servers. ---------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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No Subject
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>HOW MUCH CODE DID 'CYPHERPUNK' TIM MAY EVER WRITE? How much code have you ever written?

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[SF Bay Area] SCSI controller/PCI person?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If any of the Bay Area Cypherpunks here know of somebody or are themselves knowledgeable in SCSI controller firmware or design, PCI boards, or fast embedded systems crypto, please get in touch with me for a chat. Thanks, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP 5.x encrypted email preferred

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EZ Wiretap Server
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Sean Donelan, see a point and click CALEA wiretap server: http://www.newnet.com/products/win/calea.html

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Re: EZ Wiretap Server
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > > Thanks to Sean Donelan, see a point and click > CALEA wiretap server: > > http://www.newnet.com/products/win/calea.html That's disgusting. o Capacity for up to 512 simultaneous call content intercepts on a single call basis o Capability to incorporate FBI "punchlist" items o Supports Lawfully Authorized Electronic Surveillance (LAES) delivery features o Delivers intercepted call content and call identifying in formation simultaneously to five authorized law enforcement agency collection systems o Supports three service categories: non-call associated, call associated and content surveillance If anyone can get a hold of functional characteristics manuals for the product, lemme know, I'd like to have a copy. ---guy "Punchlist"? Keyword monitoring?

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