December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:52:18 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > "Anything not Permitted, is Forbidden." ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:40:02 +0200 (CEST) > From: DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User <nobody(a)seclab.com> > Subject: Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en > We also have people who *have* kept their noses clean being harassed. It's an > excuse to put some pressure on CDRs. It even had the effect of shaking loose > a lot of the Austin cypherpunks in a nice little divide and conquer action. That's not exactly correct. The Austin Cypherpunks have always had a problem with cohesion. There were issues that were leading me toward dropping my personal support because of lack of committment from other parties in the Austin Cypherpunks. This certainly hastened the event, it did not cause it. We were already divided in our goals and interest and unable to agree on agenda or purpose. We, as a group, couldn't even decide to spend the few dollars to put the 3-line RSA in the local paper. The last effective action we took was the speaking engagement at the last RoboFest here in Austin 3 years ago. That sort of "I want to participate, but won't do anything" attitude raises the hackles on my neck. Life is way too short to be wasting major effort on a lost cause. There wasn't much to divide and the spoils going to the conquerer are/were nil. > And it's likely they have subpoenaed more people than we've heard from. > I just hope they don't subpoena Bill Payne, or we'll receive a copy of it > every week for years to come. Yep, with those silly/strange capitalizations and sentence structures of his which look suspicously like some form of stego. You'd think somebody who claims to be that educated would have at least learned basic grammer (unless it was intentional). > The John Gilmore subpoena was focussed exclusively on cypherpunk email. > Jim Choate confirmed his is much the same. Other than dates and signatures it's identical. The focus was on any archives that I kept of cpunks or personal traffic (part c) that involved CJ in my interview. > So the focus is on what we've > all seen posted here. Personally, I found them a lot milder than Reeza!'s > projection of his suicide fantasies, for instance. I would also agree that the Cypherpunks have garnered a notoriety with LEA's such that it could/should be taken as a given that continous surviellance is occurring. Random dumpster diving in our trash, etc. should not be unexpected. This does raise an interesting point about freedom of speech and the duties of LEA's. In a democratic society what are the ethical implications of LEA's archiving publicly available documents as a matter of course, not for inclusion in ongoing investigations but rather as a base for future investigations. In addition, while the remailer operators do seem to be protected by ECPA (I was advised that I fell into this category via SSZ) what about the public archive operators? Are they covered under this umbrella? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by bob＠derwentside.org.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:34:02 -0500 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> SCAN THIS NEWS FRIDAY OCTOBER 23, 1998 Money withheld for national ID cards Spending bill provides moratorium on implementation http://www.worldnetdaily.com/exclusiv/981023_money_withheld_nat.shtml Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ By David M. Bresnahan david(a)talkusa.com The recently passed Omnibus Appropriations Bill included funding for $520 billion of spending, but it purposely excluded funds for the national ID card or the medical ID program. A review of the bill, which had over 4,000 pages and is 16 inches thick, revealed that the opponents of the effort to make state driver's licences into a national ID card succeeded in getting a moratorium on the implementation of the law enacted in 1996 by Congress. Both the national ID and the medical ID have already been made law. The moratorium delays implementation from occurring on schedule while repeal legislation is debated by Congress. The national ID became law in 1996 and will go in effect October 1, 2000, unless Congress repeals Section 656 (b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. If the law is not changed, every state must meet certain unfunded federal mandates requiring the use of Social Security numbers, fingerprints, DNA, retina scans, and other "biometric" identifying information on all driver's licences. Another federal mandate is the medical ID, which will be a new unique number for every American intended to keep a detailed medical history in a government computer. It will be implemented unless Congress acts to repeal Section 1173 (b) of the Social Security Act. The moratorium was first included in a transportation appropriations bill, but Rep. Lamar Smith, R-TX, convinced Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-GA, to remove it before passage, according to House Transportation Committee sources. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA, chairman of the House Appropriations Transportation Subcommittee included the ban in the omnibus bill, according to a committee staff member. However, Smith was reported to be pushing to have that removed as well. Those efforts failed, largely because of thousands of calls placed to Gingrich's office by the public, according to congressional staffers who preferred not to be identified. Patrick Poole of the "Free Congress Foundation," a non-partisan group, sent thousands of e-mails to supporters who then called Gingrich to encourage him to keep the moratorium despite the efforts of Smith. WorldNetDaily.com reported Monday that Smith was trying to remove the ban. "Many of the callers either faxed copies of stories from WorldNetDaily, or they mentioned it when they called," the source said. "There was no way the speaker could support Smith's efforts with that kind of public awareness." The actual language found in the Omnibus Bill states: "National Identifiers: "None of the funds appropriated by this Act may be used to issue a final standard under docket No. NHTSA 98-3945 (relating to section 656(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996). "National Health Identifiers: None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to promulgate or adopt any final standard under section 1173(b) of the Social Security Act (42 USC 1320-d-2(b)) providing for, or providing for the assignment of, a unique health identifier for an individual (except in an individual's capacity as an employer or a health care provider), until legislation is enacted specifically approving the standard." The moratorium, now in place, will provide needed time for opponents to draft legislation to repeal both the National ID and the Medical ID. The process is expected to bring major debate over the issue. Smith and others have used illegal immigration problems as their primary justification for the need to give every American both identifying numbers. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-TX, Rep. Ron Paul, R-TX, and Rep. Bob Barr, R-GA, are reported to be planning repeal legislation next year. None of their offices were able to be reached for comment on the success of the moratorium in the Omnibus Bill. It had been reported previously that all three had urged Gingrich to allow the moratorium to stand. Responsibility for the design and implementation of the cards has been given to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the Department of Transportation. That agency has recently published the proposed "Driver's License/SSN/National Identification Document," which contains the guidelines which must be in force by Oct. 1, 2000. The "Notice of Proposed Rule Making" sets out the standards for each state to follow in the design of "identification documents." The DOT solicited public comments on their plans for implementation of Section 656 (b) of the act earlier this year. The public comment period has just closed and many thousands of letters in opposition were received, according to a spokesman. Five states also expressed opposition to the plan, and only a "small number" of letters supporting the plan were known to the spokesman, who spoke on condition that his name would not be published. The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators also wrote to the DOT and recommended repeal of the law, even though they had once been in favor of such legislation. "Over the past 10 years, the AAMVA has vigorously pushed Congress and the various state motor vehicle directors to implement policies to require the submission of social security numbers as a condition for issuance of driver's licenses. This resounding defeat may spell the end of their ill-fated quest," said Scott McDonald, a grass-roots activist who operates the "Fight the Fingerprint" website. He is able to mobilize thousands of activists on a national basis using his e-mail notification system. "There is no satisfactory condition under which Social Security Numbers may be required as a condition for travel," said McDonald. "The victory's definitely not yet won. During these lull periods there's an opportunity for proponents of these issues to let opposition die down and all of a sudden, pop, it goes through without anyone even aware of it. "I don't see how the Department of Transportation could go forth with implementing the regulation with all that strong opposition to it. Even five states wrote letters of strong opposition to requiring Social Security numbers," said McDonald. Although he was in favor of the moratorium, McDonald expressed concerns about the difficulty in getting complete repeal of the law. He said many activists may now regard the issue as being resolved, when the toughest part of the battle is still ahead. "For a year we're safe," said Lisa Dean of the Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, another organization that has been actively campaigning against the provisions of Section 656 (b). She agreed that the toughest part of her organization's challenge is in front of her. Now that a moratorium is in place for a year, Dean expects repeal efforts will also include finding alternative ways to resolve the concerns about illegal immigrants, although no recommendations are in place as yet. ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. 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Word choice
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued >the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" >The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. How does this differ from the motives of your ordinary politician? Post-revolution, will there be caliber limitations when hunting them?

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Re: Men can be raped
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Of course it's possible to rape a man. Just because he becomes erect >doesn't mean he desires sexual intercourse. People are more than the >instictive reactions their body produces. Someone who chooses not to >engage in sex, but is coerced into doing so, is raped, regardless of >his body's physical reactions. The key element is coercion. Erections >or other bodily responses have nothing to do with it. > >Consider a murderer who ties his victim to a chair and rigs a diabolical >device. A hammer strikes the victim's tendon below his knee, causing >his leg to reflexively kick and set off a bomb. The murdere is caught >but argues that the person committed suicide, since he kicked the bomb >switch himself. There's another spin to this too. Since men apparently aren't raped if they get an erection, then it follows that women aren't raped if they lubricate. You could take it one step farther, and say that neither sex can claim rape if the victim has an orgasm or if they get aroused in *any way*. Courts never cease to amaze me.

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An amendment proposal...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ARTICLE Preamble. This amendment to the Constitution of the United States is intended to address interpretational issues of the same. Should it not pass within seven (7) years from consideration then it shall be deemed removed. Section 1. We the people re-affirm our role as the sole fundamental authority in the United States of America. All other political, civil, criminal, and legislative authority derives from it. Re-affirming the integrity and respect due the 9th and 10th Amendments. And further clearly affirm the equality of the federal & state governmental bodies with that of the people. There is no heirarchy of authority between the three. We further clearly stipulate that any right of the people is to be fully and honorably respected to the individual. Section 2. We the people re-affirm the supreme authority of the Constitution over all courts and rulings thereof, including the Supreme Court of the United States of America. As directed by the 9th Amendment, no case brought before a judicial body may be based on whether a citizen has a right not described in the Constitution. And further, as required by the 10th Amendment, all legislative and regulatory rulings shall be delegated by at least one sentence in the Constitution, without exception. When making consideration of such Constitutional support the Constitution must be considered point by point and as a whole. Section 3. The exact nature of the 1st. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. The 1st Amendment coupled with the 9th and 10th Amendments clearly stipulate that these issues are resolved at the state or individual level. All current and future legislation must respect these, and other, prohibitions in the Constitution of the United States of America in full and without exception. Section 4. The exact nature of the 2nd. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. The 2nd Amendment prohibits any law, not just Congress as in the 1st, from prohibiting the ownership of firearms to the people. This does not mean that both private and public agents may not regulate the carrying and use of such weapons within their authoritative bounds. It is to be further clarified that no national requirement for registration or licensing is permitted. States may license within the bounds of their individual constitutions. Section 5. To clarify the reporting requirements of the national budget it is directed that such reports be made in full and in public every 20 years from the date of this amendment going into force. The original wording is not sufficiently clear to enforce the fiscal responsibilities of our elected officials. No federal agency or agent thereof is exempt from this reporting requirement. Section 6. The concept of individual privacy is hereby clearly recognized as being held by all peoples. No agency of any civil, legal, military, or executive authority may infringe this right without just cause. This right shall include all communications, writings, storage media, and other technologies used in the creation, execution, and storage. No authority within the United States of America may prohibit the publishing of any document or other media. The rights of ownership and copyright shall be respected to the legal holder. Section 7. While there is clearly a need for secrecy of governmental workings to protect the national interest, there is no need in a democracy to have this be carried indefinitely. It is to be directed that all materials held in any form or manner by the federal government or its agents shall be released in full to public scrutiny via the Library of Congress. These documents shall be required to be released 20 years after their initial creation. In some cases Congress may feel it necessary to extend this time limit. In whatever case Congress may not extend that lifetime in secrecy past 100 years from intial creation of the material. Section 8. A clarification of copyright. While it is clear that the author of a work should derive a period of just compensation from being a sole rights holder that requirement should not extend indefinitely. Congress is directed to decide on a just suitable time period for sole rights expression. At the end of that time all sole rights become public domain. The long term public good demands it. Section 9. Abortion is a social issue of which we recognize no clear solution without repressing some civil liberties. Since we are prohibited in principle and print from such actions we must decline authority in these issues. Per the 10th Amendment we recognize the supremacy of the state constitutions and legislative bodies in this matter. However the individual states may decide the issue the federal government will provide full support and protection to each from violent oppossition from within or without the individual states. Section 10. The federal government is required to guarantee representative governments in all states. This does not include requiring any particular form or function within those states representative governments, only that they be representative. The federal government may not withhold federal services or resources of which state derived tax dollars are involved even if a state is in direct violation of federal laws and regulations. Section 11. The use of military forces or its resources in and for civilian law enforcement operations within the borders of the United States of America, and its territories and protectorates is prohibited. This prohibition is specificly to include in times of war or civil unrest. The only permissible use of such forces is in disaster recovery and in those cases they are released to state control. The only Constitutionaly authorized force for insurrection and civil unrest is the Militia. It is permitted to transfer a unit from the regular military to the militia. Such a transfer requires all lines of authority and responsibility to derive from the militia. Such a move must be authorized by Congress except in times of war where such authorization is considered implicit. Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect democracy. Section 13. Public law enforcement agents are prohibited from unnecessarily putting the people in danger. This shall include actions or rulings which put the people in danger. We further stipulate that the police are to be held accountable for their actions which result in negligent or criminal consequences. The concept of civil or legal agents being exempt from consequences because of office are repudiated. The people who swear an oath to uphold the laws of this land are not exempt in any situation from those laws. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Feds Seize Houses for Illegal Downloading
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an interesting civil forfeiture story. Feds catch a guy downloading naughty child pictures in a multinational raid, and immediately file to seize his house. Guy commits suicide. Feds say that civil forfeiture of homes where improper downloading takes place is a wonderful new weapon in the WarOnSomeThoughts(tm), and that they plan to do a lot more of it in the future. http://www.dallasnews.com/national-nf/nat83.htm Some exerpts.... Kenneth Nighbert lived a block from the beach in Kennebunk, Maine. Two weeks ago, the retired Air Force pilot flew his American flag upside down from his second-floor sun deck, a universal cry for help. Then he went inside, tied a plastic bag around his head and died. ... People who think they're indulging in forbidden fantasies in the solitude of their homes, only to be interrupted by a firm knock on their doors in the dead of night. ... The suspects range from a high school teacher to a 15-year-old boy to a quadriplegic man. Three women also were caught in the sweep. ... On the night of the Sept. 3 raids, Kennebunk police and Customs authorities crept up to Mr. Nighbert's home and peered through a back window, said Sgt. David Gordon. ... Mr. Nighbert was charged with possession of child pornography, a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, and authorities simultaneously filed a civil action seeking forfeiture of the house, which was assessed at $168,000 and owned jointly with his sister. Mr. Nighbert was freed on $10,000 bond. "He was obviously extremely upset and nervous and, actually, crying at the time he appeared in court," said U.S. Attorney Jay McCloskey. Mr. Nighbert's lawyer, Rick Berne, said he believed his client was facing too harsh a penalty for someone who only downloaded pictures. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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An amendment proposal... (fwd) [one typo fixed]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> > Subject: An amendment proposal... > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:50:30 -0500 (CDT) > Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil > position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil ^ not > liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect > democracy. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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BOUNCE cypherpunks@ssz.com: Admin request (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:48 1998 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199810241800.NAA16897(a)einstein.ssz.com> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com From: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)ssz.com: Admin request >From cypherpunks-owner(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:43 1998 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16886 for cypherpunks(a)ssz.com; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:41 -0500 Received: from www.video-collage.com (cpunks(a)www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16879 for <cpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:38 -0500 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA16887; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from systemics.ai (mail(a)systemics.ai [209.88.68.48]) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16697 for <cypherpunks(a)algebra.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mises.systemics.ai [209.88.68.61] (mail) by systemics.ai with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7op-0007VO-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:39 -0400 Received: from ryan by mises.systemics.ai with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7oK-0002qp-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: new mailing list for hardware tamper-resistance Message-ID: <19981024134908.K25817@mises.@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.11i From: Ryan Lackey <ryan(a)systemics.ai> I've created a new mailing list, called "tamper-resist", for technical/etc. discussions of tamper resistance, both through distributed techniques and hardware tamper resistance. It's hosted at venona.com. To subscribe, send mail to tamper-resist-request(a)venona.com. I encourage people to crosspost, etc.

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Mad Monger Artist
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oct. 24, Some Mad Artist had let loose. In a wild fit, the world was spattered in colors and textures that no sound mind could ever hope of even dreaming of. Reality was being stretched to its limits, and beyond. On this autumn day, the world was on fire. Sunlight was illuminating every particle, every particle was humming, each collision was a spark. The sparks flashed beyond the field and periphery of my conception. I drew the curtains on the meager, pale distraction of fall foliage outside my window, and got back to reading "The latest news from Toto", or "The Keyboard as a Long/Bottleneck." Then, Mr. Young's disclosure, DoJ's "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" Sometimes you see those "Wanted's" posted in the post office and think, "Jeeze, looks a little like me." Then you try to remember where you were during all those blackouts and fuzzy periods. Well, I looked at DoJ's STOPAsses and thought ( with a Homer Simpsonesque voice balloon appearing above my head), "That, ...sounds like me." My next thought was more comforting, Gov'STOPA was a description of the species in general; both in suits and out, behind the counter and before, in front of the camera and behind the scope, in the (gas)chambers and on the lever/gavel. But hey, admitting you fit the profile is kinda like raising your hand. So I'll sit quietly in the back of the class and read the deaththreats carved on the desktops. Who's Toto gonna be on Halloween?

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Sniper Kills N.Y. Abortion Provider
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 24, 1998 Sniper Kills N.Y. Abortion Provider Filed at 2:48 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press AMHERST, N.Y. (AP) -- A sniper killed a doctor who performs abortions, firing through the physician's kitchen window -- the first fatality among five sniper attacks on upstate New York or Canadian abortion providers in the last four years. [...] Before Slepian, three Canadian doctors and a doctor near Rochester, N.Y., were shot and wounded since 1994. In each case, the doctors were fired upon with a high-powered rifle through windows in their homes. Canadian and American authorities issued safety tips to doctors on Tuesday. [snip...] A question for Mr. May. Many years ago, a friend and I were targeting his new .223 at a rifle range in upstate NY, near Fairhaven. On leaving, we discarded evidence of our lack of marksmanship in the trash. The bin was full of pictures of windows, pulled from magazines and catalogs, that had been used as targets. I don't remember abortionists being in any of the photos. My friend said using photos in such a way was not unusual, but it gave me a bit of the creeps. Windows as targets?

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17 Dec '03

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IP: White House Accused of Data Theft
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: White House Accused of Data Theft Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:12:25 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Washington Post http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981007/V000584-100798-idx.ht… White House Accused of Data Theft By John Solomon Associated Press Writer Wednesday, October 7, 1998; 7:42 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Republican-led House subcommittee accused President Clinton and the White House of ``theft of government property'' Wednesday in transferring data to the Democratic Party for fund-raising purposes. Seeking to gain the attention of impeachment investigators, a stinging report written by Republican congressional staffers detailed evidence they contend conflicts with some of the White House's earlier assertions about the use of a $1.7 million taxpayer-financed database created inside the executive mansion. ``The committee issues this report to expose the evidence of the president's possible involvement in the theft of government property and his abuse of power,'' said the report by the investigative subcommittee of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. The report cites testimony from top Democratic fund-raisers who acknowledged they got names and addresses from the White House database on a regular basis and used them to solicit donations or plan White House events for donors. ``Richard Sullivan, the DNC finance director, himself testified that he obtained lists of attendance at White House CEO lunches and the White House Economic Conference and that he used those lists to raise money,'' the report states. Originally, presidential aides insisted White House staff and the database were used only for official purposes and none of it was misused for fund raising. Federal law prohibits the use of government resources for fund raising or other political or private purposes. Those who misuse such resources can be charged with stealing government resources. White House officials said Wednesday the DNC was only authorized to use its data for invitation lists, and if information was used for anything else that was inappropriate. ``This White House, like the Bush and Reagan White House, keeps names and addresses of our supporters, and tries to ensure that they are included in White House events,'' spokesman Barry Toiv said. Toiv charged the subcommittee report was ``irresponsible and deceptive and highly partisan'' and excluded ``information that contradicts'' its allegations. The report directly accused Clinton of knowing about and instigating the misuse of federal resources for political purposes. Among the examples it cited were internal White House documents indicating that the president instructed that information he obtained from official White House e-mail or other sources be sent to his political campaign. ``Quite frequently the president will ask that certain names and addresses be added to the supporter file. ... Attached is a list of supporter file information,'' a 1994 White House memo said, asking that the information be forwarded to a separate campaign database Clinton instructed be built in Arkansas. White House officials said there was nothing wrong with Clinton forwarding to his campaign, for example, business cards he had received at the White House and said there was no evidence he sent wholesale portions of government data. The report also cites a document showing Clinton authorized a job description for a top aide, Marsha Scott, that included a responsibility for ``insuring ... supporters were involved in fund-raising activities'' such as the controversial White House coffees. Presidential aides defended Scott's job description, noting political appointees aren't forbidden by law from doing political work provided they don't solicit donations. The subcommittee also referred White House deputy counsel Cheryl Mills to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, alleging that in 1996 she located two subpoenaed documents suggesting that Clinton and his wife, Hillary, sanctioned the use of the White House database for political purposes but withheld them from the committee for months -- until after the 1996 election. It also accused her of lying about aspects of the database to the committee. Ms. Mills has said she did not believe the documents were responsive to the subpoena when she first reviewed them and sought the advice of her superiors who agreed. She denies any effort to mislead investigators. And the top Democrat on the Government Reform committee wrote the Justice Department saying he disagreed with the GOP referral, saying Ms. Mills may have made a mistake but there was no evidence of willful obstruction. The release of the report is part of a broader effort by Republicans in Congress to make public information that they think should be considered in the impeachment inquiry the House is set to approve Thursday. Rep. David McIntosh, R-Ind., said Wednesday it was ``premature'' to predict whether his findings would be incorporated into the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment investigation on the president's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. ``This isn't about sex. This is about abusing his official privilege for personal and political gain,'' McIntosh said. The inquiry into the database, which contained the names of individuals who have contact with the White House or president, has been conducted over the last two years without the same fanfare of higher profile investigations of Ms. Lewinsky, Whitewater, FBI files and the White House travel office firings. Nonetheless, the investigators said they found White House documents with official government data -- including holiday card lists -- at the DNC and the Clinton campaign. White House officials said some of the list were accidentally sent by vendors. © Copyright 1998 The Associated Press ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Re: does Web TV use forward secret cipher-suites? (Re: Web TV with 128b exported)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > > This is as others have noted cisco's doorbelling approach to GAK -- > having routers and automated systems doing decryption, and allowing > LEA either direct access (possibly in this case), or access via > complicit operators. > > One question which might help determins just how bad this Web TV thing > is, is does it use the forward secret ciphersuites. > > If it did use FS ciphersuites, if the LEA starts reading traffic after > some point (by asking the WebTV operators to do so, or by using a > special LEA operator mode), he can't get all old traffic. > > The EDH (ephemeral DH) modes are forward secret because a new DH key > is generated for each session. > > Some of the RSA modes are forward secret, but only on export grade RSA > key sizes (512 bit). > > As it got export permission, I fear the worst. Perhaps even special > LEA operator access. Normally, an announcement of 128-bit crypto capabilities for a home computer would mean the user has control of said crypto. The WebTV computer: http://developer.webtv.net/docs/sysgde/Default.htm o WebTV supports connectivity to the ISP of your choice. o Internet access (PPP, PAP) o HTML 1.0; HTML 2.0; HTML 3.2; frames compatibility; JavaScript 1.2 o Image: GIF89a animation; JPEG; Progressive JPEG; PNG; TIFF-G3 fax in e-mail; X bitmap; Macromedia[tm] Flash 1.0 o Audio: AU; . WAV; Real Audio 1.0; 2.0; 3.0; AIFF; Shockwave[tm] Audio; GSM; MPEG-1 Audio; MPEG-2 Audio; MPEG Layer 3; MOD; General MIDI; MIDI Karaoke; Quicktime audio; Zip decompression o Video: PEG-1 Video; MPEG-3 Video; VideoFlash[tm] o Processor: 112/167 Mhz R4640 processor o Security: SSL version 2 and 3; 40bit and 128bit RC4 encryption; root certificates for GTE, RSA Data Security (VeriSign), Thawte, and VeriSign Class 3 digital certificates Can WebTV send end-to-end encrypted email to any other Net user? Nope. The press release claiming WebTV has 128-bit security is another low in advertising obtuseness. ---guy

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Re: Something else about 'freedom'...
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** My suspicion is that this sort of opportunity is *exactly* what they want. Then *they* get to be the ones using force for coercive ends. *** Isn't this the "kill the unbelievers" scenario? Old and revered behavior. Tribal. Elemental. I don't think 'freedom' means 'anarchy.' Nor does 'anarchy' necessarily mean 'violent lawlessness.' And 'rule of law' does not mean 'safety and security.' As strong as the need for order is, so is the need for chaos. Remove either and we lose. I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that freedom comes from chaos. No worries, no thoughts or you can't really enjoy an evening martini if you drink forty-two of them. Mike

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: a) the use of force b) trade in elicit and prohibited goods and services Unless you can claim a reference to a Mafia at some time and place that had neither characteristics and a market which they monopolized which lacked any other intervention, then this all is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Matt > -----Original Message----- > > >That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several > hundred years if

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:21:26 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > He is right--to an extent. Monopolies _can_ exist in a free market > under 2 conditions: > 1) Early stages of a market, when the creator/initial entrant has a > lead on the competition. This will (without "government" intervention) end > at some point unless: Actualy, without a copyright or some similar 3rd party regulatory intervention this is one of the points in a market development when a monopoly *can't* develop. At this stage of the game the entry cost is minimal and many potential groups have access to the necessary commodities (real and intellectual) to get into the business. This also happens to be when violence has the highest pay-off in staying in the market. It's the strategy of the business that determines if it can *stay* in the market. To put it in terms capable of modelling, consider a petri dish with various bacteria arranged around it. To start, no colony of any particular type (comparable to business strategy) controls the entire surface of the ager. Only after the market matures and competition begins to reduce the number of colonies and the area of the colonies increases do we begin to see a monopolization effect. This is modelled quite simply with cellular automatons. At this point in time what happens in a real-world business is that somebody gets a bright idea. He acts on that idea and starts a business. In order for that business to grow and prosper at some point employees must be hired. Those employees learn the business and some point one or more decide that since there are more people wanting widgets than there are widgets being made it looks like a good time to quit. That ex-employee starts up a company. The original employer has no way to prevent this short of overt violence, no laws or protective agents have been violated because there is no 3rd party to act as guarantor to the employment contract or the intellectual property rights. Now we have two companies making widgets. These products are consumed and resupplied at a profit and both companies (it is easy to extend this to n-parties so I'll stay with two for brevity) continue to grow until market saturation. Now some folks will claim the employer can impliment a limited access policy to the technology and product. This strategy will not work. As another potential supplier I put out an add asking for anybody who *used* to work in that industry to come by for a job. I hire them, drain their brain, and impliment my competitors system. Once the market saturates there isn't enough 'spare' money floating around to stay in business, hence new businesses in that field don't start up unless another fails unexpectedly; if its expected other competitors will begin bidding economicaly for those potential new customers. The existing employers are always trying to hire their competitors so there is a constant motivation to defect from the employees perspective (ala computer industry). Imagine the impact of these sorts of dynamics on banks and the issuance of effective currencies and how that impacts travel and at-a-distance business (such as across the big pond). Even such technologies as e$ won't solve this problem because for one variety to have a chance at the market it must be widely respected, implying a very large share of the market approaching mono-e$ token saturation. So we create a monopoly in our rush to eliminate monopolies via technology. Monopolies are a function of doing business and not any political or mathematics aspect. It's axiomatic in nature. Monopolies themselves, something we haven't even touched on, have both positive and negative characteristics. These characteristics can in fact be described to a very good degree of precision. Now if there were a mechanism to move a more rational and experience based set of laws and regulations into business then we might make some progress toward creating a society (due to moderated market activity - by a *impartial* 3rd party) where investment in technology and its application toward automation creates a situation where everyone invests a sufficient amount of income to retire in a very small number of years. Another point to be made is at no time have I required these various inter-active producers and consumers to be in lock step or have been created at the same time. Nor do they, in principle or practice, have a requirement for such things as instant market change propogation and rational participants, etc. Those issues are irrelevant except early in human history when these sorts of issues are intitialy introduced into a culture. If people can't fulfill one desire, they'll fulfill another. The result is that the same base set of human emotions and desires, expressed through a cultures bias, that varies widely in content, context, and expression, will in fact find a way to express the same basic sets. What most economists do is vastly underestimate the range of that those individual members. The major short-fall with anarchistic or free-market models is that they have faulty comprehension of a workable concept of a contract. This contract represents a major constituent of what holds any society (which I believe we'll all agree is a requirement for an economy) which is trust in the other members, that they will do what is expected at the right time. In these sorts of 2-party systems there can't be an expectable set of reactions. The contract exists from the time the consumer approaches the producer asking for a price, till the time the consumer has taken possession of the object of desire and the producer has their money. At that point, there is no warranty, no 3rd party to enforce any sort of liability, etc. Because of this the business world is best described by caviat emptor. You bought what you got. Now consider the Prisoners Delima, under what conditions does a prisoner go along with the jailer, or tries to escape (not play by the rules, whatever they may be - in this case the contract between the parties). The maximal payback for the prisoner is to go along until the jailer is lulled into a false sense of security. And then defect. This is wired into human genes, everybody does it because that is how we survive as a group in the wild. People as a whole and as individuals don't mind stretching the rules, it's just a question of what rules and how far. > B) a competitor emerges that manages to meet the entire markets > desires for goods and services in such a way that profits are so thin as to > not attract competion. Not *a competitor*, only that the total number of competitors in a given market can and do meet the market needs. At this point the growth rates of the individual business strategies begin to emerge and high efficiency and long-lived strategies begin to gain the upper-hand. As time goes by businesses either die and are replaced by consumption or else they merge to create a new structure. The major featues of that structure are that it has potential for long-lived behaviour and it reduces the management overhead, and potentialy the work force requirements (but that's icing on the cake). At that point there will be a merge because both sets of competitors want to make more money, that is their sole reason for existance. > (1) can be effectively ignored, it is a localized (in time) > condition that the market will usually remedy. Is a totaly false conjecture not born out by history or theory. > I have maintained that Monopolies in ANY market large enough to > accept competition (i.e. larger than one or two purchasers) cannot continue > to exist (in fact would have a hard time coming into existence) without > some sort of government influence. And I have yet to see an explanation expressed in market dynamics that describes how this supposed process works. Phloegestron and ether were great ideas until somebody tried to measure them... Whew. I've about had my fill of this topic for the time being.... Adios mi amigos! ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: The Cypherpunks Agenda
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The reason for the people getting upset and saying shut up and write is the fact that very few people are mentioning anything about the code. The politics discussed are sometimes reasons why we need more code but unfortunately usually don't give you an idea of what to write. Personally I have sat down many times to my keyboard with a disk of code in one hand and just stared blankly at the screen until giving up and reading the list with a notebook in hand for any ideas. I do believe in keeping the political content, however you can see the difference betwwen pointless dabate on clinton and debating on what project should we devote our time to and what causes are we fighting for and how many bananas a camel can carry. This message isn't to stifle the ointless debate it is to spur neww projects, How do we combine our vast pool of knowledge to actually produce results? One funny thing though, some people filter out anonymous messages that come from the list, what does that say about us believing in our own methods. - ---- Crey, What a world I would live in if I really had a say. >So where is the _rest_ of the code? > >"Cypherpunks write code" is a mantra to shut up any discussion of which >building blocks are important to write. And yet most of the mantra chanters >are actually not writing useful or interesting code, just hacking away in >their cubicles.... > >Sad. > > >--Tim May > >Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 5.5.3ckt Comment: KeyID: 0xF4D1901B Comment: Fingerprint: DB49 2BFA 856F 0B7E CB78 9C3E 0167 279D iQEVAwUBNh3RUqKPqmf00ZAbAQEePAf9G/cDeeQRYtgMqcbSn+4LjqPgPYIsxARR XMutCe6w84p86tQH4KlZMJDjdiYge6Mz+uC/s4C3K16nfJU2n/Ha+ZjOoAzhRg/1 HuZHxEElBt5Wl7FdzYWtT/OGTalYu1NAkOCEq5fKt20gHtGsSgmyVvdyLSLtGEte Ni13807ETgbhH36TT9zusE4lenFEZ9PM+cslapdOzxRx2rJOuEMh1nowcufQ89mE CWDI7mjPBdseKFUXGSPbvC1+FfeLQjFpQUjyp7ggs5AsbXElXOJUJ2VCFeOboGBI 5OK3yDzw04TjgEN7UnzatqebbSO9llu23sbuvs0Ng3/mpgZWeR9jIg== =B+l0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:14:32 -0700 > The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: > > a) the use of force not necessarily. > b) trade in elicit and prohibited goods and services not necessarily. What the La Familia represents in Italian social history is a concentration of resources within a geographic region. They were the 'law of the land'. There was no need for violence or any other covert economics. As those groups got bigger and interacted more with each other conflict arose. This conflict was the primary spark in the creation of the 3rd party that hadn't existed prior to this time (note that the market exists before the 'government' per se). The period of time to pay particular attention to in Italy's particular case is when the city states began to coalesce into what we now term Italy. This is a good example because the mountains in Northern Italy acted as barrier to outside influence to a certain degree and the spine of the boot forced life to focus on the sea coast. This made maritime trade and it's speed advantage over foot or hoof obvious. It also allowed a larger geographic area to enjoy a nearly homegenous culture. What is really interesting is that so many cultures have these sorts of organizations. Consider the growth of the Tongs in China with the loss of the concept of tribe within general Chinese culture. Also interesting is that economists as a general population doesn't study these periods to any degree worth mentioning. Historians do however. > Unless you can claim a reference to a Mafia at some time and place that > had neither characteristics and a market which they monopolized which > lacked any other intervention, then this all is utterly irrelevant to > the discussion at hand. Not at all, as demonstrated above. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:06:02 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Given that the textile/garment industry is often one of the first > and loudest pro-tarif voices, there might be a government manipulation > arguement there as well. They are now, but your use of an example after the market was regulated to argue that the behaviour of the market is due to being regulated is circular. The garment industy wasn't *always* regulated. Prior to the early 1900's they operated carte blanche regarding regulation. 16-20 hr days, 6 year old employees, no insurance, etc., etc. At some point after the turn of the century the social climate changed in such a way that these sorts of behaviours became unacceptable. It could have been something as simple as a series of newspaper articles that set it off. All that was required was that enough employee/consumers figured the shell game out and screamed bloody murder about it. You want to know what sets government off? It's the realization by the constituancy as a whole that their collective suffering isn't singular. A more recent example, and local to anyone in the US is the air conditioning repair industry. At one time prior to the late 70's and early 80's a license from the state or city to specificaly operate a air conditioning service industry wasn't needed. You simply got a regular old business license and a pick-up. The abuses and failures of the industry led to enough noise and complaints to the government to take a look into the industry. It's what always happens, an industry goes along until it gets big enough to be noticed by larger business. What after all is government but a form of business designed to regulate other businesses and activities... There was no government. Then there were many governments. Then the governments have fight and reduce the number of governments. The remaining governments move into areas that other governments don't or can't claim effectively. Then each government exploits its resources until it's ready for another go around. The issue is human nature and not politics, economics, physical force, etc. It's about power and not freedom. Power means you survive another day. Freedom just means you get another shot at it. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Something else about 'freedom'... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:07:48 -0700 > From: Michael Motyka <mmotyka(a)lsil.com> > Subject: Re: Something else about 'freedom'... > Isn't this the "kill the unbelievers" scenario? Old and revered > behavior. Tribal. Elemental. Absolutely. It's burned into everyones genes so deep we couldn't escape it if we wanted to because it means escaping from ourselves, our very nature. What defines what we are collectively. > I don't think 'freedom' means 'anarchy.' I certainly hope not. > Nor does 'anarchy' necessarily mean 'violent lawlessness.' Perhaps if we discuss Vulcans. People are people and people use violence and coercion *because* they are social animals. Further, anarchy per se unfortunately doesn't describe any mechanism that can demostrate an expectation that violence is not a viable long term option. It works. > And 'rule of law' does not mean 'safety and security.' It means an expression of a commen culture through some mechanism. Living under a 'rule of law' is no less oppressive than any other sort of dictator. > As strong as the need for order is, so is the need for chaos. Remove > either and we lose. Exactly why an anarchy won't work, it doesn't even attempt to moderate either behiour and further imposes no necessarily negative result from the use of violence and coercion. Now if a nice little girl comes up against a biker and there ain't no cops around, never was, and never will be - who do you expect to win that argument? > I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that > freedom comes from chaos. Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a compromise of that. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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