December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

asgaard(a)cor.sos.sll.se writes: --- cuts --- > Laws against matching various 'public' registers for multiple entries > are also making life easier for tax evaders (who might be libertarian > heroes of course, but remember that for most salary-dependent people > of lesser income it works like this: the more the entrepreneurs evade > taxes, the more they have to pay to support the nomenclatura) --- cuts --- This assertion relies on the faulty assumptions that: A) Government expenditures (particularly at the state and federal level) are at all related to tax revenue. B) Government expenditures cannot be decreased.

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Re: McVeigh
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just thought I'd fire off a few comments re: the okc bombing > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:43:10 +0000 ( ) > From: Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> > To: Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: McVeigh > > > > Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim > > > of the OKC bomber. Its more like poor innocent workers and kids who are just more victims of the insanity initiated by the Scott, Weaver and Waco murders. Brought to you by the good government of holy statist religion. None of those criminals have been tried, much less convicted. My favorite quote from the Scott murder (I believe it was from the local prosecuting attorney). "...well they just lost their moral compass" And so did McVeigh. > > > > I'm surprised at the concern. After all I've not noticed militia > > supporters and appologists speaking out against the death penalty. > Irrelevant. > Tim McVeigh certainly acted for the right reasons. He acted for reasons that had nothing to do with murdering innocents. I guess this was his US Army training in the Gulf. I think it was an act of cowardice. If you have a grudge with some US officials and you think you will be the avenging angel it takes much more courage to attack them personally than to blow up a building. But if we're talking relative evils then at least his motives were not to plunder someone's land, to run live stormtrooper excercises against a church or to collect a paycheck for assasinating a mother (baby in arms) from a safe distance. > > Whether McVeigh himself did it or not is questionable, I believe he did, > this is just a gut feeling, no jury should have convicted him on the > pathetic collection of circumstantial evidence presented. The only thing I think he should have been convicted of is conspiracy. The rest of the so-called evidence is pretty flimsy and never actually locates him at the scene of the crime. Of course conspiracy in an act like that should probably get you life. ...misc rantings deleted.... HB states... > > McVeigh ripped the heart out of the militia movement, he demonstrated > > what it was really about. Ironically the Oaklahoma bombing may have > > had precisely the effect McVeigh desired but in a very different > > sense. It was a wake up call to defend the country from fascism > > but the fascist threat was McVeigh and the millitia movement. > Hmmm. Well just in case anyone has forgotten, McVeigh was ratted out by the Michigan Militia when he went to one (1) of their meetings. This happened because he tried to sell them the idea of blowing up federal buildings. The MM called the FBI, which admitted it. I guess the Feds thought..."oh, just another wacko wanting to blow up federal buildings. We'll get to him later. Right now we have more important things to attend to - like covering up Waco." > > recovered from the beer hall putsch. Alternatively they can > > loudly claim that McVeigh was "framed" in the same way that > > other neo-NAZIs on the net claim the holocaust a fake, i.e. > > so that nobody really believes it. I suspect that this script > Cool. Lets set up an excellent strawman to knock down. How come whenever HB (and other socialist/statists) talk about the opposite of statism they always talk about NAZI's. (remember National >Socialist's<). Oh, fascism is another favorite label. Fascism is from the Latin "fascia" - - to bind together. Politically fascism is the melding together of state and corporate interests until each serve each other well. Maybe we can identify fascism on the American scene. CNN lapdogs reporting Waco "news" directly from the FBI's on-site mouthpiece. Other big-time media keeping their respectful 3 miles from the Davidians' religious community. (not compound, not cult). Whatever happened to the reporter in the field from the Vietnam war days? What about AP filtering out the DEA siezure of a military cargo aircraft importing 1 ton of cocaine into Alameda naval airstation? What about 60 minutes' analysis of the infrared footage where the ATF was mowing down citizens fleeing the Waco barbecue? Their experts told them that murder was being committed. Nothing on TV. ...that's fascism. (sung to the tune of That's Entertainment) > The militias would be better to disown McVeigh and condemn his alleged > actions because he killed innocents. > See above. The MM rejected him, but the FBI thought he was harmless. End game. McVeigh guilty of whatever. They are probably right. What I'm more interested in is the nest of viper's behind the man. Since we're invoking WWII Nazi history, can anyone say, "burning of the Reichstaag" Jim Burnes Engineer, Western Security, SSDS Inc jim.burnes(a)ssds.com ---- Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr

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Guilty!
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are now laws against everything and everyone is guilty of something. The debate over McVeigh's guilt versus the government's guilt has as little meaning as the coming debate over McVeigh's right to take a life versus the government's right to take a life. The government can pass laws against the use of crypto or against the bombing of federal buildings and the debating teams can line up to rant about the justice or injustice being perpetrated by the individual or by the government. In the end, we are left with the body count, whether the body bags are filled with children or freedoms. Did McVeigh bomb the OKC building? Did Oswald kill Kennedy? Does it really matter? If the CIA wasn't involved in the killing of JFK, they could have been. If the BATF wasn't involved in the OKC bombing, they could have been. We all recognize the government's need/ability to interfere in the natural course of events in order to retain the power they have to "protect and defend" the country/government. What differs is our own perception of whether our interests are better served by the government or by those working in opposition to the government. When the government confiscates land to use for flood control, their actions are a threat to those who lose a homestead and a boon to those who will no longer be flooded. When the governement launches an assault on Branch Davidians their actions are a threat to those with unconvent- ional religious beliefs and a boon to those with mainstream religious beliefs who don't want their family members' minds "stolen" by some "cult." When someone bombs a Federal Building they are a threat to those who have a vested interest in the government maintaining business as usual and a boon to those who want the government to think twice before blatantly assaulting the citizenry. In the end, we are left with a body count and the bodies are either ours or those of others. In the end, we either look over our shoulder, or we don't, before we enter a federal building, or sign a search warrant, or reply to a post by Jim Bell. And, in the end, we will never know how many of the children who died at Waco would have grown up to bomb Federal Buildings. We will never know how many of the children who died in OKC would have grown up to be imprisoned for using crypto, or slaughtered by another government assault on an unorthodox religious congregation. In the end, every action we take will have a government assault team or a Timothy McVeigh waiting to support or oppose it. If we oppose both Waco and the OKC bombing, then we are a threat to both government and anti-government factions. If we support free speech then we are a threat to those who might be attacked and threatened by its use. If we support privacy we are a threat to those who are attacked by anonymous sources. If we support freedom, we are a threat to those who already have a place in the sun, a piece of the pie, a position to defend. In the end, we are trampled to death in the crowded theater in which someone has shouted "Fire!" or we end up in prison for shouting "Fire!" in an *empty* theater. (And Rottenberg defends his support of the original legislation which required at least ten people to be present in the theater before shouting "Fire!" became a felony.) The bottom line is that life is a crapshoot. We support legislation that requires us to register our religious faith so that the government can protect us from future religious discrimination and then we find out that "Lutherans" go to the death camps. We oppose the legislation and later lose our homes and jobs because we have no proof of our religious affiliation. The bottom line is that no matter what our position in life, no matter what our beliefs, opinions and actions, there are a few billion other entities sharing our world who are organized into camps which support or oppose us today and may do the opposite tomorrow. Even our actions in our own self-interests may work against us in the future, as the result of a chain of external events. For all of our positions and our posturing, we are, at best, pissing in the wind when we join in the various pissing contests in life. I once had a friend whose parting phrase was always, "Don't get any on you." I am beginning to understand what he meant. TruthMonger

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Cryptographic Mythology (fwd)
by Cypherpunks Maintenance Account 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forwarded message from proff(a)suburbia.net ----- >From cpunks Tue Jun 3 12:16:18 1997 From: proff(a)suburbia.net Message-ID: <19970603160344.26296.qmail(a)suburbia.net> Subject: Cryptographic Mythology To: firewalls(a)greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 02:03:43 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Here is something to amuse, delight and horrify - the tail of: _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. I recently wrote a VNODE (4.4bsd) based encrypted file-system. Now the day dawned when I decided it was high time to discard my rather egocentric working name _Proffs_ (i.e Proff File System) and cast about for a decent, respectable name. My first thought on this matter was: CERBERUS, n. The watch-dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance -- against whom or what does not clearly appear; everybody, sooner or later, had to go there, and nobody wanted to carry off the entrance. Cerberus is known to have had three heads, and some of the poets have credited him with as many as a hundred. Only, what was the relation between KERBEROS and CERBERUS? Pups from the same litter, or was the relationship a little more incestuous? I had to find out. There was no way - n o w a y - I'd be having my encrypted file system playing second fiddle to that evil authentication beast. KERBEROS; also spelled Cerberus. n. The watch dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance--against whom or what does not clearly appear; . . . it is known to have had three heads. . . Mythology couldn't get any more incestuous than that. 450,000 bytes of Greek polytheism later, and I'm wondering if the Gods of Olympus really had any high-paid guards to speak of except the multi-headed mongrel from Hades. I'm feeling down. I'm cursing the Ancients. I'm disrespectfully humming tunes `All and All it's Just Another Greek in the Wall', and `Athena be my Lover' when I discover: JANUS: in Roman mythology, custodian of the universe, god of beginnings. The guardian of gates and doors, he held sacred the first hour of the day, first day of the month, and first month of the year (which bears his name). He is represented with two bearded faces set back to back. Custodian of the universe. Guardian of gates and doors. Cooool. Janus. January. I like it. Only while I'm liking it, I'm thinking that I've heard the word Janus a lot before. I'm thinking it isn't just me who has looked up from the middle of a Greek mythology text, whilst in the throes of a name hunt with the words "Cooool" on their tongue. No: the Gods just don't smile on me that way. AltaVista confirms the truth of Heaven's bad attitude towards me. 17,423 references. _The Janus Mutual Trade Fund_, _The Janus Project_, _Janus ADA95_, a dozen ISPs from Canada (what is it WITH these Canadians?), _Janus' cool word list_ (turns out to be not so cool), _The Janus Ensemble_, _Hotel Janus_, _Janus Theatre_, _janus.com_, _janusfunds.com_, _Janus_ an Australian Police drama series and of course, the sixth moon of Saturn - _Janus_. Janus is out-of-the-picture. I'm not sure whether to feel smug or grim about the rest of the world's lack of originality. Guards. Guardians. The Greeks didn't have many with bite and I'm loosing patience with the whole culture. Euphrosyne, Aglaia, and Thalia do not grace me. What I need is something that evokes passion within my cryptographic domain. And when you come down to it, that means something which produces copious amounts of gore and blood, at will, from those who would dare to pass its demesne of protection. The Erinyes, or Furies, were three goddesses who punished by their secret stings the crimes of those who escaped or defied public justice. The heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling. Their names were Alecto, Tisiphone, and Megaera. They were also called Eumenides. Aye. Plenty of gore there. But somewhat lacking in cryptographic analogy. Fantastic material for the group that doesn't meet at number 41 every Saturday night though. They will appreciate what the Erinyes were trying to achieve. Somewhat heartened, my mind turns to the Erinyes' dress sense. "..heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling". Terrific. Serpents. Terrific \Ter*rif"ic\, a. [L. terrificus; fr. terrere: to frighten + facere: to make. See Terror, and Fact.] Causing terror; adapted to excite great fear or dread; terrible; as, a terrific form; a terrific sight. Is it a symptom of society in decay that this word has come to mean: Excellent \Ex"cel*lent\, a. [F. excellent, L. excellens, -entis, p. pr. of excellere. See Excel.] 1. Excelling; surpassing others in some good quality or the sum of qualities; of great worth; eminent, in a good sense; superior, as an excellent man, artist, citizen, husband, discourse, book, song, etc.; excellent breeding, principles, aims, action. Or as Milton would say: To love . . . What I see excellent in good or fair. On the other hand, David Hume (1711-1776): The more exquisite any good is, of which a small specimen is afforded us, the sharper is the evil, allied to it; and few exceptions are found to this uniform law of nature. The most sprightly wit borders on madness; the highest effusions of joy produce the deepest melancholy; the most ravishing pleasures are attended with the most cruel lassitude and disgust; the most flattering hopes make way for the severest disappointments. And, in general, no course of life has such safety (for happiness is not to be dreamed of) as the temperate and moderate, which maintains, as far as possible, a mediocrity, and a kind of insensibility, in every thing. Perhaps it is the sign of a brain in decay, rather than a society that I dwell on it so, because Terrific hair serpents of course lead unfailing into the arms of the Medusa. A guardian of fearsome looks, but dubious motivations according to authorities like Clash of the Titans (1981). A moot point, perhaps as Princeton's history department no longer wants to talk to me. I'm cast adrift, to rely on my Plasticine childhood memories and the mythological swamp of the web. NAME: Medusa FAVORITE PASTIME: Turning men to stone PLACE OF ORIGIN: Los Alamos Secret CIA Lab SPECIAL GIFTS: Petrified Aggregate Projectist FAVORITE MOVIE: Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers GOALS IN LIFE: To be a nice person FAVORITE BOOK: Madonna's biography PET PEEVE: Bad hair days Jesus. I've been sucked into comic book hell. Princeton, take me back. I won't curse at the ancient Greek's sexual proclivities anymore. I'm sure chaste marriages were very daunting to those yet to have them. I was only joking. Lighten up will you? But, alas, the history faculty however was still nursing its wounds, and was not ready to forgive me. I'd have to find an authoritative source somewhere else. Perhaps I could filter out the comic book hell contaminants and come up with respected history Ivy, even if it wasn't Princeton Ivy. To decapitate - to castrate. The terror of the Medusa is thus a terror of castration that is linked to the sight of something. The hair upon the Medusa's head is frequently represented in works of art in the form of snakes, and these once again are derived from the castration complex. It is a remarkable fact that however frightening they may be in themselves, they nevertheless serve as a mitigation of the horror, for they replace the penis, the absence of which is the cause of the horror. This is a confirmation of the technical rule according to which a multiplication of penis symbols signifies castration. Sigmund Freud The Medusa's Head You had to hand it to Sigmund. He was nothing if not authoritative, and after reading his inspiring words on the terrific serpent haired woman, it became clear to me that _Proffs_ and the Gorgon had somewhat unresolved metaphorical incompatibilities. I didn't want my software giving anyone a castration complex. I decided to put aside the denizens of Olympus from contest verbatim. I'd read Fraud on Perversions a few years before and knew Medusa was just a portent of what was to come. What I needed was another polytheist culture entirely. Latin didn't help me. Nearly all the Roman Gods had been vilely plagiarised from the Greeks, Latin names or not. Freud knew this as well as I did. The Norse gods were of little assistance to me. The only one worth paying school to was Loki, the Norse god of mischief. Loki was a very cool fellow, which was why his name has been appropriated as a moniker by virtually every Bjorn, Sven, and Bob hacker to come out of Scandinavia in the last 10 years. No, Loki was not for me. The problem craved for a polytheist mythology outside the realm of my, and more importantly Sigmund Freud's, Western European upbringing. The answer to my question was by definition locked within a body of history I didn't know an onion skin about. In order for the pilgrim to reach the master he must first place his foot on the path, no matter how gradual the slope up the mountain of enlightenment. Zen Buddhism is good like that. Fabricating parables up as you go along that is. Zen master Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A young novice began to imitate him in this way. When Gutei was told about the novice's imitation, he sent for him and asked him if it were true. The novice admitted it was so. Gutei asked him if he understood. In reply the novice held up his index finger. Gutei promptly cut it off. The novice ran from the room, howling in pain. As he reached the threshold, Gutei called, "Boy!". When the novice returned, Gutei raised his index finger. At that instant the novice was enlightened. But wait. This Koan isn't fabricated. At least, not by me. And unlike most Zen Koan's I think you will agree that it pleasantly satisfies Schopenhauer's "life, without pain, has no meaning". However, semantically I'm seeing a very unhealthy correlation to forgetting one's encryption key and losing one's finger. My mind is drawn to the memory of the real-life nightmare of laying in the easy-chair of a Swanston St. hypnotherapist suite, gazing intently into a bright, but distant red light, while chanting the mantra "I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about an Indian doctor with a 5th floor office decorated coup'd'Edelstien. I'm not cynical about a man who claims that his foremost clientele are rich middle aged women who have put their jewellery somewhere "safe" and consequently are unable to recall the location. I'm not cynical about a hypnotist who extols the virtues of having a M.D. so his patients can claim 2/3rds of the cost of these jewellery retrieval sessions under Medicare. I'm not cynical that these middle aged women are infact suffering from some form of Mesmer complex. And by all the powers in Heaven, I have no pessimism about recalling my god-damned pass-phrase!". I never did remember the pass-phrase and you will notice Gutei keeps very quiet about what he does with the novice's finger. In this particular case, given the value of the data, I would have traded placed with Gutei's novice, before you can say "Boy! Was I enlightened". I put my chin on my knee, and stare at the grain of my beige plastic monitor case. Unless I could jump into another reality it was the end of the line for _Proffs_ and _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. Boy! Was I bummed. One of the great sins of us programmers is procedural thinking. And it was exactly this sort of folly I was engaging in. There were around 6 billion other realities going about their business. I grant you that 2 billion of these were no doubt indulging in the confusion and diffusion of an avalanche of pseudo-random mental images and sequences we associate with dreams, and probably another 2 billion busy expanding their minds with the powerful products of hash or decaying into a compressive state of increasing entropy and beer rounds. This still left a select 2 billion souls with which to weave my work. If I approached them directly rather than by analysing the information trails they left behind, I'd stand a good chance of getting my feet onto the path of cryptographic mythological enlightenment. I have a Swedish friend who calls himself Elk on odd days and Godflesh on even days. Don't ask why. As far as I know he's not bisexual. Elk listened to my quest for cryptographic myth. He had pondered, and uncovered a diamond in the rough. MARUTUKKU. The third name is MARUTUKKU, Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. F a r o u t. Master of the arts of protection. Chained the Mad God. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. Even the very word MARUTUKKU looks like it has been run through a product cipher. But I wasn't about to trust the work of a self-admitted Swedish Sumeria freak who was obviously suffering from a bi-polar moniker disorder. Was it mere coincidence that MARUTUKKU was an anagram for KUKU MART and KUKU TRAM? I didn't want MARUTUKKU to end up as another cog in the annals of Freudian analogy. What I needed was the sort of Authoritative History that only Princeton's history faculty could provide. The tablets of the Enuma Elish: The Akkadian Creation Epic Based on the translation of E. A. Speiser, with the additions by A. K. Grayson, Ancient Near-Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament, third edition, edited by James Pritchard (Princeton, 1969), pp. 60-72; 501-503, with minor modifications. This work, the ancient Mesopotamian creation epic consisting of seven tablets, tells of the struggle between cosmic order and chaos. It is named after its opening words. It was recited on the fourth day of the ancient Babylonian New Year's festival. The text probably dates from the Old Babylonian period, i.e., the early part of the second millennium B.C.E. [...] The third name is MARUTUKKU Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. [...] MARUTUKKU truly is the refuge of his land, city, and people. Unto him shall the people give praise forever. All praise the MARUTUKKU! My search had born a ripe and tasty fruit indeed. The quest for a cryptographic mythology was complete. Or was it? The words of Hume kept coming back to me and I had a nagging feeling that there was some substance in them. If MARUTUKKU was my exquisite cryptographic good, of wit, effusive joy, ravishing pleasure and flattering hope; then where was the counter point? The figure to its ground - the sharper evil, the madness, the melancholy, the most cruel lassitudes and disgusts and the severest disappointments. Was Hume right? Because if he was, there was only one organisation this string of hellish adjectives could represent. The cryptographic devil with its 500,000 sq feet of office space in Maryland. But surely there could be no reference to such an organisation in the 4,000 year old Babylonian tablets. The idea was preposterous. Wasn't it? TABLET VII OF THE ENUMA ELISH: ESIZKUR shall sit aloft in the house of prayer; May the gods bring their presents before him, that from him they may receive their assignments; none can without him create artful works. Four black-headed ones are among his creatures; aside from him no god knows the answer as to their days. It's a cold and wintry night, here in Melbourne. Despite this, the gusts of wind and rain seem to be unusually chilling. What had I, in my search for a cryptographic mythology, stumbled onto? I look hard at the seven letters E-S-I-Z-K-U-R. A frown turns to a smile and then a dead pan stare. I write down: IRK ZEUS -- Prof. Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks proff(a)iq.org |and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery ----- End of forwarded message from proff(a)suburbia.net -----

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Webpage picketing...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was just reviewing the various emails on this topic trying to create a cogent whole, or at least the start of it. Anyway, I realize that at least one cpunk out there seems to seriously think that I brought this subject up with regards to the 'criminal libel' issue and wanting to send some sort of message to others. Hardly. That started yesterday, way after I was already looking at the issue. Furthermore, I no more want to slap more spin doctor output in front of others than to have to look at it myself. I was mainly trying to make a prediction about the future and then seeing, if reasonable, how long it took. Perhaps a little explanation is in order. I was going to the grocery store the other day and the perennial grape picketers were out there. It occured to me that some comparison between a public sidewalk and a public backbone could be made. I began to draw comparisons and it became clear that something was up here. It occurs to me that somebody with the right motivation might want to claim that they have a right to put a box on such a backbone (ie stand on the sidewalk in front of the store) and scrape for particular addresses (ie the business they want to picket). Now the picketers can't stop anyone from going in the store (ie packets going down the pipe) by they can attempt to talk to them as well as wave large lettered signs in their face (ie put a short banner page on their screen). A webpage could do this by putting up a single page with a continue button (ie a path to the door of the store). You could no more stop them from searching packets than you could stop somebody from standing or walking beside you down a public street. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Update on Wine Politics
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A few weeks ago there was a thread about Florida's proposal to ban direct shipments of wine into the state, making it a _felony_ for anybody except a state-licensed wholesaler to import alcohol. The weekend I was up in the California wine country, and one of the local papers had an article on other states limiting direct shipments. Apparently about 24 states ban them, though only one makes it a felony; the rest treat it as commercial business, either civil or criminal. [That's evil also, but at least it's not an outrageous penalty...] While mail-order wine has been a possibility for a while, the Internet has changed the marketing economics enough to be interesting, and some of the Internet wine businesses have been fined by a few states, with typical penalties of $7-35K. At least one of them has taken a Frissellian approach to the problem - $7000 isn't a big fine, and it'll cost the government more than that to collect, so they're ignoring it and trusting the economics and uncatchability to encourage the government to ignore it also. Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBM5TNjvthU5e7emAFAQGwZwH/U3wu9z4KTjfDHka6Xu3ev80qf/N/urTW s9s8RbkdOjaZn355ygKJtTGjlekgAQ/aNLNyZorFDWRfzMjIne1h4g== =NL7B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Hacker Links page
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Duffy, First, let me say it has been quite pleasant dealing with you on this issue. I appreciate your even-headed approach. > My most sincere apologies for any personal inconvenience to you in this > matter. The sole purpose of the request was just to ask you to delete a > link to a site. We didn't intend or foresee any problems with the > request, but there were and I believe a more detailed explanation is in > order. Agreed. > We here at Telecode were notified by Mr. Lancaster several weeks ago > that he wished that the link(s) we had given to his site be removed. No > reason was given, and of course, none was required. Unfortunately in this case my policy was diametricaly opposed to yours. Unless somebody is a paying customer or has legal justification I don't comply with a great many external requests, I try to make as few as possible as well. I support a wide range of users and they specificaly request that I keep them up to date with what is going on in a variety of technology areas. Not only do I send a copius amount of forwards from various mailing lists, print sources, etc. but I also keep a webpage with some critical links to resources they have inquired about. Don's was one of them. [Deleted chronology] > I also remarked that I would do my best to contact and ask that the link > be removed. I did this because it "appeared" to Mr. Lancaster that the > both yours and our site were somehow "connected". Of which, there are > not. We do not claim that there is any copyright infringement on you > part and we also state openly that your are the "true and rightful owner > of that page". We believe, because of the similarity of the pages, that > we had a "responsibility" at least to ask that you remove the link. So, > we did. A sign of an honorable business. > Again, I apologize for any inconvenience in this matter. Not a problem. Sounds like you have been the one inconvenienced by this the most. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Anonymity should be banned for speakers and vendors
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Ray, a recent DC law school grad and anti-spam activist, is a good guy but is IMHO sadly mistaken here. Thought this might be interesting. --Declan] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ X-FC-URL: To join send "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 17:25:36 -0400 From: Ray Everett-Church <ray(a)everett.org> Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu To: sameer <sameer(a)c2.net>, tbetz(a)pobox.com Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: Spam costs and questions On 6/4/97 4:52 PM, sameer (sameer(a)c2.net) wrote: >> If Wallace were up against criminal and civil penalties if he continued to >> hide his customers' real identities, he'd give them up in a hot second. Of >> course, as soon as there was a chance of that happening, he'd get out of the >> business entirely. > > So how do criminal and civial penalties for not revealing a >customer's name protect anonymity on the internet? > Anonymity on the internet must be preserved. If you could come >up with a way to make spam illegal and preserve anonymity, I would be >very glad. Until then, I will have to oppose making spam illegal. As stated before, I have heard no convincing argument that it is in the consumers best interest to have an anonymous *vendor*. Sure it's vital that *consumers* be allowed to remain anonymous, but if you're selling a product or service, there's no legitimate reason why a business needs to remain anonymous given issues of warranties, product liability, sales taxes, etc. And in the case above, since the remailer in question is simply acting as an agent for the business, there's no question of legitimate anonymity implicated. Indeed, perpetuating anonymity for the business often times facilitates activites that constitute a breach of contract and sometimes even fraud. The whole reason to use a pro-spam anon remailer is so that you can violate your ISP usage agreement without being traceable or accountable. And if you've entered into that contractual relationship with the ISP with the *intent* to breach that contract, it's fraud. Anonymity for consumers, Yes! Anonymity for vendors, NO! -Ray <everett(a)cauce.org> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Everett-Church, Esq. <ray(a)everett.org> www.everett.org/~everett This mail isn't legal advice. Opinion(RE-C) != Opinion(clients(RE-C)) (C)1997 Ray Everett-Church ** Help outlaw "spam"=> http://www.cauce.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim writes: [Jim wants to be able to 'cyber-picket' - force people to read his opinions before they can browse sites he does not like. He is attempting to claim that the net backbones corrospond to public spaces, where his local government permits him to picket.] > Declan writes: >> And I think that we should be very careful about calling the Net a public >> forum. Sure, places like Usenet resemble a public forum in some ways, but >> it's not the same. > > But I am not calling the net a public forum. I am specificaly talking about > a special case that might arise if we are not aware of the consequences. In > short it is a statement that it MIGHT be possible to use publicly funded > network backbones to seriously impede communication using the system against > itself. >> I think Greg has it right: you want to forcibly intervene in a >> communication between two consenting parties. What you want is >> similar to the right to come into my home and prevent me from >> speaking freely to my friend or lover. 'Publically funded network backbones'? Can you name one (in the US)? NSFnet and ARPAnet are long dead. Back when they were active, there was considerable debate about the legality of commercial speech on the net, and earlier, doubts about the legality of any traffic (including private email) which was not in support of government funded research. (the first big mailing list, the SF-Lovers Digest, had a quasi-underground existence for many years due to this worry). Jim also writes: >Lack of public space may be the saving grace, unfortunately there is >quite a bit of involvment planned by Uncle Sam if I am not >mistaken...Internet II... V-II Chip... GAK... ITAR... That >supercomputer science network thingy... None of which have the slightest relevance - Internet II is a proposed (and still vaporware) project for an academic-research-only network - it's future existence has no impact on those of us using the private backbone system of today. Ditto that 'supercomputer science network thingy' you mention, which I suspect is the same thing. As for "V-II Chip... GAK... ITAR": The fact that some people in government propose unconstitutional regulations, unworkable technologies, and policies which work against the public interest is not a basis to propose further undesirable policies. Question: if you get the ability to put up your 'cyber-picket' frame, how about cyber-counter-pickets? Cant the picketee put a page in front of yours? Who gets priority? Where does it stop? Jim, your idea is roadkill on that horribly imprecise analogy, the 'information superhighway' (spit). It can't be resuscitated by asking for 'information super-sidewalks' or claiming the existance of 'information super-public-spaces'. The underlying metaphor is fatally flawed. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com Disclaimer: These are my own opinions only.

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Re: Guilty!
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger sobered up and wrote: > The bottom line is that no matter what our position in life, no matter >what our beliefs, opinions and actions, there are a few billion other >entities sharing our world who are organized into camps which support or >oppose us today and may do the opposite tomorrow. .................................................................... In the end you have to be prepared to defend yourself from anyone; as anyone can become an enemy. The only true support is an active intelligence. .. Blanc

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SPAMs across the border - regulatory arbitrage strikes again
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got my first Canadian spam today - as US Congresscritters are planning to pave a few more blocks of the Information Superhighway with "good intentions", spammers are moving offshore (well, if Bedford NS is offshore, anyway...) outside their grasp. Of course, the SPAMMER's ISP is Spamford, but he could move to the Great White North as well. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Webpage picketing
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Web page picketing is easy - there are a bunch of ways to do it, >with varying degrees of coverage. Here are some examples: >0) Hijack DNS or routers - sorry, no points for this. Foo. I forgot to add an obvious variant 0a) Creating a similar or parody domain name like micros0ft.com or microsquish.com sometimes gets you points, if done well. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Profanity, PCS phones, and FCC
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well I went and got a PCS phone (Ericsson), and was pilfering through the manual, and came across this amusing text in the "Operating procedures" section of the "Guidelines for Safe and Efficient Use": Portable PCS telephones are subject to the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Following these rules will help eliminate confusion, ensure the most efficient use of the existing frequencies, and result in a functioning radio network. The following offenses are punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both: o Use of profane, indecent, or obscene language while using your phone. [a bunch more snipped but somewhat more sane regulations] Joy. More laws to break. Jeremey. -- Jeremey Barrett BlueMoney Software Corp. Crypto, Ecash, Commerce Systems http://www.bluemoney.com/ PGP key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64

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RE: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by Chris DiBona 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<rant> Okay folks...what the hell is wrong with you? First off, this whole McVeigh Crap is a bit off topic..but we all know this. The amazing thing about the string of posts has been that people have forgotten that He has been found guilty of murdering quite a few people. Guilty, Guilty, Guilty. Jury of his peers, dare I say, people like us all. Randomly selected. This is how our system works. Yes there are flaws in the system. Yes the US govt. has it's problems in the past, present and future. Yes people have died because schnooks in DC have had thier heads up thier ass. Or not. So whether or not you belive he did it.....how can anyone be _for_ what _happened_. People died senselessly, I can't believe that anyone (in this case Duncan Frissell frissell(a)panix.com, lets give credit where it is due) can be so callous and , frankly, sick , to say : <> As to the Children of OKC, people who turn the care of their children over to government employees or contractors do not place too high a value on those children. <> Are you serious? You should be ashamed that you think this way. Do you really think those children who died weren't cared for? You are a sick person who should seriously consider therapy. Anyone who read this and said "Yeah!" is on the same plane. To all the people who defend blowing shit and people up to get thier point across.... Okay..so the IRA does it, and HAMMAS does it, and the CIA does it. So does the PLFP the FARC and a zillion other terrorist groups. And it appears McVeigh did it. But that doesn't make blowing up children in freakin' day care all right. Do you understand this? There is no reason to blow up kids. It's wrong. For any reason. Bad. Duncan...looking over your past posts.. .I've got to wonder if you were on acid when you wrote this, many of your posts were fairly cozigent. But this? Do you have children? Any cousins who are children? A nephew or neice? Do these children who may be important to you have parents who "care" about them enough to scour the planet to find a good,safe day care that isn't withing the blast radius or shooting range of : A government office. A large corporations headquarters. A law firm. A post office. A town square. A restaurant. A bank. Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and go loopy. Anywhere some asshole might have a car be drunk and go loopy. Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and a car and be drunk and go loopy. If they even could, I'm someone somewhere will find a way to fuck up that safe place. You get the point, I could go on....but I won't. Perhaps you should think and read over your posts before you post again. The only good thing (and I mean ONLY) to come out of the whole Mcveigh thing being discussed here on cypherpunks, is that it has allowed me to add to my killfiles people who have for some reason, had a prefrontal. To all the dipshits who could possibly think otherwise. I should also mention it is an EQUALLY fucked up thing to blow up adults. Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said : For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs. Chris DiBona </rant>

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Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:06:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)pathfinder.com> > Subject: Re: Webpage picketing (fwd) > Jim's fundamental misunderstanding below seems to be, as far as I can > tell, confusing public funding with public forums. What is amazing is your denying there is any sort of connection at all. I am not claiming that they are 1-to-1 as you would have readers believe but rather one brings along certain rights for the user from the other area. One of those rights is going to be protection of their civil liberties. Your tacit assertion that simply because some resource receives public money does not affect the civil or criminal aspect at all is also misleading. > Just because an entity > receives most, or all, of its funding from the state does not mean that > that entity or the service that entity provides becomes a public forum for > the purposes of First Amendment analysis. BUT, and you seem unable to grasp this important concept, its users DO receive such extra protection over and above a solely private resource. This means that communictions BETWEEN said users will ALSO gain that protection. Now it seems plain to me that if the reader sends a packet over that network link, the server sends a packet over that same network in responce a third party on that link with a CIVIL interest in the content of that exchange may be able to force a minimal level of communications because they ALSO use that link and have a vested interest in what the server is sending over that link publicly. > After all, many research > universities receive half their revenues from Federal grants but they do > not become public fora. I suppose part of the analysis in this case might > turn on whether the state is setting up such networks itself and "owning" > them or whether it's providing grants to a private entity. If the government owns the link, say between Salt Lake and Chicago, wholely then there is most definitely a comparison to be made. Even if the funding is only partial that still brings along additional contractual obligations for the operators in regards to civil rights and legal protections. I could see them taking the end-point servers over on national security grounds (like civilian airport radio equipment or the telephone) in regards to breeches or damages against the servers. Shoot, they could integrate them into the EBS (or whatever they are calling it this week). That could mean that ANY hacking that was carried would automaticaly involve the government on national security grounds ("Damn, I wish I hadn't changed my password without writing it down!..."). THAT is just way too Red Scare for me. > Again, the Internet is not a public street. Yes, and your point? It can't be that a specific backbone cable between two cities owned by the government is equivalent to the Internet in toto, even conceptualy. Because it is clear that such a construct is equivalent to the publicly funded highway running between the same cities, and you most definitely CAN picket on a highway easment legaly. I have seen farm workers in Texas do it my entire life. The Info-Highway comparison goes a LOT farther than most people seem to have taken it. I personaly, don't think we should go there in the case of communications technology. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Webpage picketing?... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: Webpage picketing?... > From: nobody(a)huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) > > You may dislike > > one of the sites linking to yours, but you really can't hijack their > > connections and force people to listen to you who don't want to. > > Wrong! It's done every day in every media from newspapers to TV > and points in between, including the InterNet. > I have a lot of respect for Peter's work, opinions and for his > integrity, but my perception is that he fails to understand that > the InterNet is a growing mosaic which can and should reflect > *all* of life, and that his perception of what the InterNet is > and should be somehow dictates what should and should not be > done on the InterNet. > I think that what should be done on the InterNet is exactly > what people *want* to do. It is up to their own conscience as > to whether their actions are done with integrity and up to the > rest of us to interpret and respond to those actions. Agreed. However, I see a situation happening akin to a sheeple goes into the public library and checks out a book on pro-life politics and because of excessive civil liberty protection is then required to also check out a book on pro-abortion to make shure they are informed. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706041340.IAA01267(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 06/04/97 at 08:40 AM, Jim Choate <ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com> said: >Yes, and your point? It can't be that a specific backbone cable between >two cities owned by the government is equivalent to the Internet in toto, >even conceptualy. Because it is clear that such a construct is equivalent >to the publicly funded highway running between the same cities, and you >most definitely CAN picket on a highway easment legaly. I have seen farm >workers in Texas do it my entire life. The Info-Highway comparison goes a >LOT farther than most people seem to have taken it. I personaly, don't >think we should go there in the case of communications technology. I think that your analogy is slightly flawed. While the farmers have a right to protest on the side of the road they do not have a right to interfere with the travelers on the road. There is no real way you could picket on the "Info highway" as you have no right to interfere with the packets traveling on the highway. You can stand of to the side if you want but somehow I don't think that the packets will be watching. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5WEDo9Co1n+aLhhAQHT9gQAiqRoXBaHX6AqKhZD/xXOBy2LAkRv7cAx j0QCvM0LCHK/MYvlwEZsNbraiYDgii+ZBbI2M7cVZkdtb0H5I+TVZE5pwyXEtbub cTA1kMW35QIQKzS1tvG/Xorej8wAjOU6c/wKEV3JmhpPcQqIfz+5XHKst3vJB5Pr vNy0jXsi9m4= =0Zb4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ANNOUNCE: Mixmaster 2.0.4 beta available (fwd)
by Fred B. Ringel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all- No warranties or representations regarding this announcement, however I thought some on the list might find this of interest. I'm putting mine together right now. Fred ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:25:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Name Withheld by Request <nobody(a)replay.com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: Mixmaster 2.0.4 beta available This is to announce the release of Mixmaster 2.0.4 beta. Mixmaster is a new class of anonymous remailers. Inspired by the existing "cypherpunk" remailers and discussions on the Cypherpunk mailing list, Mixmaster is the next generation in the evolution of remailer technology. Mixmaster is available from: ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/replay/pub/remailer/Mix-204b1.tar.gz What's new? - several bug fixes. - "middle only" remailer. - messages compression. - support for /dev/random. - rudimentary support for the list of reliable Mixmaster remailers. - new installation script. - can be compiled under DOS/Windows. Mixmaster is (C) by Lance Cottrell <loki(a)infonex.com>. This release was made by Ulf Möller <um(a)idril.shnet.org>.

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DES [Was: Re: Webpage picketing?...]
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(maybe) TruthMonger (maybe not) wrote: >[lots of editing] > I used Peter Trei and others' software for the DES Challenge, > but I posted a suggestion to the list that perhaps their programs > contained subterfuge designed to thwart others in their attempts > to find the secret keys. Was I spreading FUD? The responses to > my post gave me much more information about the processes behind > the software than any direct inquiries I had made about their > workings. (And they reinforced the fact that "blind trust" in > their programs or anyone else's is foolish.) > I could put a pointer to Peter's software which opens an > adjoining window which warns that it may be compromised as a > result of ulterior motives. The fact is, however, that Peter > might himself put a disclaimer on his page saying, "If you > can't read code, then you can't be certain of what my software > is doing." (As a matter of fact, I believe his documentation > mentions that there is no guarantee his logic is not in error.) TM: Yes, you were spreading FUD, of a particularly stupid kind. I've always distributed my DES cracking software with full source code, as well as a compilied Wintel version. Anyone who wants to can examine the source and compile it independently if they worry about a mismatch between the source and the included binary. Sven Mikkelsen (http://inet.uni-c.dk/~svolaf/des.htm) has now published full source for BrydDES was well. It runs faster than my code, but is only for x86 (mine includes generic 'C'). If you want to participate in a coordinated attack, and don't mind using a binary-only client, see. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm. This effort claims to have already searched 15% of the keyspace. For overall info on the DES challenge, see http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/des.html Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Cybernetic money laundering
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, we've been saying this for years. It appears the experts now admit we were right. The difference is that what they _worry_ about, we _embrace_. --Tim Wednesday June 4 10:07 AM EDT Internet could help crime syndicates launder money By Richard Waddington LISBON - Big crime syndicates could soon be using the Internet to launder dirty money and there might not be much authorities can do about it, an international conference was told on Tuesday. The international web, which already allows clients to shop and sell around the globe, could become the perfect medium for the cocaine barons of Colombia or the Mafia gangs of Sicily to make their ill-gotten wealth respectable. International police are already having a hard time keeping up with the sophisticated maneuvers of criminals and fraudsters as they switch funds from country to country, often making use of lax banking regulations. But with the Internet and the coming introduction of electronic cash, so-called E-cash, the authorities could lose what has been one of their only advantages -- the need for criminal gangs to handle and at some stage deposit big quantities of cash. ..... E-cash could take the place of physical money in the same way that E-mail has replaced the posting of letters. Huge sums could be switched from person to person without the need to pass through any form of banking system, experts said. .... Backhouse said that experiments with E-cash, or digital banking, were already being carried out in around 25 countries and the system could become commonplace within five years or so. "What is only a little trickle at the moment will become a roaring torrent," he told Reuters. But the ability to switch faceless funds effortlessly around the world was not the only danger posed by the revolution under way in international communications, experts said. Organized crime could use the Internet to set up web-based companies offering services of all types to act as vehicles for "washing" their funds. "The Internet is an ideal medium. It will be difficult to prove that such companies and transactions are false," said Maclachlan. Crime gangs could even go so far as to set up their own banking services as accounts can be established with Internet banks using no more than a photocopy of a driving license as proof of identity, experts said. Global by nature, the network could be particularly difficult to police because of the tricky question of territoriality. Which country has responsibility when a bank can be based only in electronic space? Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved

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Re: Hacker Links page (fwd)
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I sent this out last night, leaving the Cypherpunks distribution as "cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com." Alas, it does not seem to have propagated to my site. So here it is: >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:09:30 -0700 >To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com>, cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com >(Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer) >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Hacker Links page (fwd) >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > >When I was on the Cyberial-l list, for lawyers and others interested in >cyberspace law issues, this issues of URLs being infringements came up a >couple of times. > >I think the answer is very clear: nobody needs permission of others to >print URLs. > >URLs are like footnotes. They are not actually links or tunnels of any >sort. They are just like "machine readable footnotes." If I refer a reader >to "Applied Cryptography," either by citing the book title and ISBN numer, >I do not need the permission of Bruce Schnier to cite this information. No >copyright law has ever been held to apply to the recitation of such cites. > >A URL is just an address, much like a ISBN number. > >In modern browsers, clicking on such a URL may be perceived as "taking you >there," and in some sense it does. But what the clicking really does is to >invoke the commands needed to send stuff to the address specified in a URL >and ask that site to send some stuff back. > >Jim and others know this, of course, so I am not lecturing them. Rather, I >am framing the debate in terms that copyright lawyers will surely >understand. > >Now, it may be true that Don Lancaster has decided, for example, that he >doesn't "like" the association of his URL with "hacker" topics. Too bad. > >It would be no different if Lancaster were to object to Timothy McVeigh >providing a reference or footnote to Lancaster's "The TTL Cookbook." Even >if McVeigh were to say he found the "TTL Cookbook" essential for building >bomb timers. (Not that far-fetched, actually.) > >"Fair use" extends to even including chunks of another's writing for >purposes of comment, critique, agreement, discussion, etc. It clearly then >applies to cites of the author's books. > >And more than just "fair use," citing the influence of others and saying >where more information can be found is the essence of free speech. > >(Which means I have the feeling Electronic Frontiers Georgia may be >entering the case on the side of Lancaster!) > >And Lancaster's choice to make his URL publically accessible means that >anyone can click on it. Open and shut. > >--Tim May > > There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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The New War
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"The New War" is Senator John Kerry's (Dem, MA) new book which examines global enemies of law and order. He cites the use of high-tech weapons, off-shore banks, and the Internet, featuring encryption, by rogue nations and organized criminals who are hiring the best and brightest lawyers, programmers, cryptographers and ex-spooks who once looked to the USG for secure careers, and who also pay top dollar for premium products and skills once affordable only by the military. He wonders how governments can compete with these new cash-flush criminals. The answer: new laws and new global arrangements. His view on global crypto is almost identical to that of Senator Kerrey (Dem, KA), Professor Denning and others who appear to be working in concert with the administration to advance global GAK, while admitting that some harm to privacy may be necessary. All nations must act in concert, Kerry says, to prevent the spread of dangerous technology. For a similar view, see Denning's synopsis of a paper on criminal use of encryption and developing technology to be published shortly: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/oc-abs.html We've also heard from BXA that new regulations for the Commerce Control List and EAR to bring them into accord with the Wassenaar Arrangement will be out in "a month or two." This will probably be coordinated with the issuance of similar regulations by the 33 signators of the regime. It might portend the imposition of a global GAK regime that Kerry, et al, suggest is a primary weapon in The New War.

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Re: Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A huge number of passwords to pay-only porn sites are loose on the Net. Just surf newsgroups like alt.sex.passwords or do a simple search through a typical web engine and long lists of logins are easy to find. There is an easy solution to this problem. Just use one-time passwords. Put it in a cookie. Every time the customer accesses the service you give him a new one. He doesn't have to do anything. If he gives his password away it won't work for him any more. John

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BOUNCE cypherpunks@Algebra.COM: Admin reques
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forwarded message from owner-cypherpunks(a)algebra.com ----- >From owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Wed Jun 4 16:52:19 1997 From: owner-cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706042152.RAA01373(a)www.video-collage.com> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM: Admin request of type /\bsub-scribe\b/i at line 7 >From cpunks Wed Jun 4 17:51:59 1997 Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [206.170.114.2]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01319 for <cypherpunks(a)algebra.com>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA09047; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel.cyberpass.net (root(a)rigel.infonex.com [206.170.114.3]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09040 for <cpunks(a)sirius.infonex.com>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by rigel.cyberpass.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13609 for <cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25146 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pathfinder.com (relay2.pathfinder.com [204.71.242.22]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25141 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cp.pathfinder.com by pathfinder.com (8.7.3/SMI-SVR4) id RAA15204; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by cp.pathfinder.com (SMI-8.6) id RAA03951; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:43:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)pathfinder.com> Reply-To: declan(a)well.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Anonymity should be banned for speakers and vendors Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970604174023.29555R-100000(a)cp.pathfinder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk [Ray, a recent DC law school grad and anti-spam activist, is a good guy but is IMHO sadly mistaken here. Thought this might be interesting. --Declan] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ X-FC-URL: To join send "sub-scribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 17:25:36 -0400 From: Ray Everett-Church <ray(a)everett.org> Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu To: sameer <sameer(a)c2.net>, tbetz(a)pobox.com Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: Spam costs and questions On 6/4/97 4:52 PM, sameer (sameer(a)c2.net) wrote: >> If Wallace were up against criminal and civil penalties if he continued to >> hide his customers' real identities, he'd give them up in a hot second. Of >> course, as soon as there was a chance of that happening, he'd get out of the >> business entirely. > > So how do criminal and civial penalties for not revealing a >customer's name protect anonymity on the internet? > Anonymity on the internet must be preserved. If you could come >up with a way to make spam illegal and preserve anonymity, I would be >very glad. Until then, I will have to oppose making spam illegal. As stated before, I have heard no convincing argument that it is in the consumers best interest to have an anonymous *vendor*. Sure it's vital that *consumers* be allowed to remain anonymous, but if you're selling a product or service, there's no legitimate reason why a business needs to remain anonymous given issues of warranties, product liability, sales taxes, etc. And in the case above, since the remailer in question is simply acting as an agent for the business, there's no question of legitimate anonymity implicated. Indeed, perpetuating anonymity for the business often times facilitates activites that constitute a breach of contract and sometimes even fraud. The whole reason to use a pro-spam anon remailer is so that you can violate your ISP usage agreement without being traceable or accountable. And if you've entered into that contractual relationship with the ISP with the *intent* to breach that contract, it's fraud. Anonymity for consumers, Yes! Anonymity for vendors, NO! -Ray <everett(a)cauce.org> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Everett-Church, Esq. <ray(a)everett.org> www.everett.org/~everett This mail isn't legal advice. Opinion(RE-C) != Opinion(clients(RE-C)) (C)1997 Ray Everett-Church ** Help outlaw "spam"=> http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End of forwarded message from owner-cypherpunks(a)algebra.com -----

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Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[We include links to sites with porn passwords in today's story, BTW. --Declan] ******* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1015,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) June 4, 1997 Porn Free by Chris Stamper and Greg Lindsay (thenetlynews(a)pathfinder.com) Sexfilms.com used to be a small, members-only adult site that shipped full-frame videos over a super-fast T-3 line. Traffic on the site was comfortably low for about a year, owner Ray Alba says, until one name -- "Joe Camaro" -- started appearing with some frequency. Actually, it started appearing 500 times a minute. From Sweden, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore -- just about anywhere. Somebody was passing out the password. Download speeds faltered, from 300K/sec to 6K/sec. And then the servers themselves began to crash. Finally, Alba had to shut down the site for several weeks to clear out Camaro and numerous other accounts that had leaked out to the Net. Alba was the latest victim of... Porn Piratz! A huge number of passwords to pay-only porn sites are loose on the Net. Just surf newsgroups like alt.sex.passwords or do a simple search through a typical web engine and long lists of logins are easy to find. Some of these logins are giveaways from people who ponied up the low, one-time-only flat fees that many sites charge. Others, apparently, were obtained with phony credit card numbers. Who knows how Porn Piratz get the rest. But they do: A Hustler executive told us that Hustler's sites have seven times its paid membership logging on every day. [...]

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