December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

ADDENDUM: BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS, JUNE 14, AT PGP Inc. IN SAN MATEO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please refer to the official announcement at http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/cpunk-info.cgi in case any of the PGP-related details change....

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Re: FCPUNX:Response to 'My War'
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fAt 10:07 PM 6/9/97 -0700, se7en wrote: > Anyone who thinks this doesn't affect the young children, you are wrong. > I doubt these children consented to the sexual activity. I doubt they > consented to being photographed. I doubt they consented to the pictures > being distributed to others. Most of these children are adults now. A great many of them are grandmothers. Yet I see no prosecutions for the distribution of images by the supposed victims. > I am sure this affects the > emotional/psychological state of the child victim in many ways beyond > what most of us can understand. I think we can all agree that is creates > a less-than-optimal psychological state in the children. Produce a victim and you will find it a lot easier to prosecute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Feds have lost battle against encryption
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is an editorial in the June 11 San Jose Mercury News titled, "Feds have lost battle against encryption". It mentions the Sun/Elvis+ deal, and representative Goodlatte's bill. It says, "Government warriors should pack up their rusty cannons, admit that they've lost this battle, and learn to live in the 1990s." It speaks favorably of increased sentencing for criminal use of encryption. It says the bill does not go far enough in removing export controls. Try http://www.sjmercury.com for a copy. (I haven't looked, so no guarantees.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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[off-topic] LEA announcement about children & computers (long)
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cpunx: For your amusment - nicked from the local Telco web site. I especially enjoy the link between role playing games, satanism and computing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CHILDREN AND COMPUTERS: THE HIDDEN DANGER Dear Parent: With the never ending development of computer technology and as an increasing number of people become computer literate, it is much more likely that our children may be victimized or exploited in a computer environment. If your child has a home computer (or access to someone elseÆs computer), especially those equipped with a modem, then please take the time to review this guide and become familiar with the behavioural warning signs. It will only take a few minutes and may prevent devastating problems in the future. Keep in mind, however, that no matter how ôawareö you are of these warning signs, the most important safeguard is to monitor the contacts that your children are making in this unrestricted environment and regulate their computer related activities. In addition, do not allow your children to isolate themselves from family or friends by engaging in solitary computer activities for hours on end. A computer should never become a substitute for social interaction. 1984 Government Study TodayÆs children are being weaned on video games and quickly move to computers. Society has high hopes for this technically literate generation, but the proliferation of microcomputers and computer literacy also means that more and more assets will be stored on computer systems and the community of potential computer criminals will increase astronomically. Tips for Safe Computing PARENTS Please advise your children to observe the following safety rules whenever they are ôon-lineö. Remind them that no matter how safe and/or friendly the BBS seems (and this includes the major services as well as the Internet), there is always a potential for danger. They Should: òNever give out any personal information about themselves - particularly full names, addresses, phone numbers, financial information, etc. to anyone they meet on line. òAvoid responding to anyone who leaves them obnoxious, sexual or menacing E-mail. They should not become involved in public ôFlameö sessions as they have no idea who they are dealing with and what access an individual may have to their account information. òReport all electronic harassment and/or abuse to their parents. As parents, you should notify the SYSTEM OPERATOR (SYSOP) of the problem. If the SYSTEM OPERATOR does not give you satisfaction in stopping this abuse, the police should be notified. òNever set up face to face meetings alone with anyone they have met on the BBS. They should always take someone with them and always meet in a public place. òNever have someone come to their house until they get to know them and until they are satisfied that they have given accurate personal information about the individual. òSafeguard all credit card and telephone card numbers. They should pay for BBS services by money order whenever practical. PARENTS: Notify the police of all attempts by adults to set up meetings with your children. This is by far the most dangerous situation for children and should be prosecuted when appropriate. ôThe modern thief can steal more with a computer than with a gun, and tomorrowÆs terrorist may be able to do more damage with a keyboard than with a bombö. National Research Council Washington, D.C. Some Child Behavioural Warning Signs: Computer Addiction òWithdraws from friends, family etc. May lose interest in social activities. òUse of new (unusual) vocabulary, heavy with computer terms, satanic phrase or sexual reference (or sudden interest in related posters, music, etc.) Look for related doodling or writing. òUse of words such as: hacking, phreaking or any words with ôphö replacing ôfö. òLack of interest in self and appearance or indications of lack of sleep, (which might indicate late night modem-play). Other Potential Danger Signs òComputer and modem running late at night (even when unattended). òStoring of computer files ending in: GIF, JPG, MPG, AVI, MOV, BMP, TIF, PCX, DL, GL or unusual CDÆs; these are video or graphic image files and parents should know what they illustrate. òNames on communications programs which seem satanic or pornographic. òObsession with fantasy adventure games, (Dungeons and Dragons, Trade Wars, Sexcapade, etc). òUse of computer to scan or run telephone numbers or credit card numbers, (look for ôsequential diallingö programs). What you can do to Protect your Children Talk to your children about their use of the computer Know What They are Doing òIf possible, keep the computer in a ôcommonö area of your home, such as a family room or den. òYou decide if your child has a legitimate need for a modem. òIf a modem is being used, control the activity by monitoring times used and numbers dialled. Closely Monitor your Long Distance Bill òIf the computer is left running unattended, check the screen. òIf it is showing a series of four digit numbers, the computer is trying to identify calling card ôPINö numbers. òIf it is showing a series of sixteen digit numbers, the computer is trying to validate credit card numbers. òIf you are not computer literate, make sure you at least learn the basics about computers, take a course or have your child teach you. Courtesy of: Chief Alfred O. Olsen Warwick Township Police Department Lititz, Pennsylvania, USA

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[CNN] Stolen Laptops and lame 'solution'
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reproduced under fair-use: > PC, phone home > > Industry aims to stop > theft of laptops > > June 10, 1997 > Web posted at: 11:45 p.m. EDT (0345 GMT) > > From Correspondent Greg > Lefevre > > SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- Expensive, compact and > frequently out and about, a laptop computer makes an attractive > target for thieves. > > But the computer industry has devised some ingenious ways to > counter theft, including invisible software that knows when the > computer is in trouble. > > "As soon as the thief plugs that machine into a phone network, it > will phone home," said John Livingston, chief executive of > CompuTrace Service. > > The call goes to a Canadian office > that in turn phones the cops. So far, > it has a 100 percent recovery rate. > ====== 100% of WHAT? Systems with it installed which are stolen? How would you know what systems do NOT call in? It's like the question the clerk asks at the airport: "Did anyone put anything in your luggage you don't know anything about?" Now that the word is out, of course, the wily thief will eschew pluggin in until the hard drive is reformatted and installed with a clean OS. As usual: the stupid will be caught.

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Unleashing Micro Viruses on Networks
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

6-11-97, Janes' Defence Weekly: Unleashing Microbots on Iran's IT Networks Unlike the 1990-1991 Gulf War, when the USA inserted a National Security Agency-developed, virus-laden microchip into a French computer printer headed for Baghdad, in 2015 the USA relies on several methods for infecting Iranian computers. These efforts hope to get around problems created by the proliferation of encryption technology. While some peripheral equipment, like printers, will be intercepted and bugged in order to disable mainframe computers, intelligence technicians will also use the internet to send guided viruses into Iran's national information infrastructure. Thumbnail-sized micro-robots, known as `microbots', will also be unleashed by micro-air vehicles and naval guns. These parasites will creep into electronic equipment, attach themselves, and keep themselves alive by draining generator power. Once the electronics system's energy is depleted, the fully charged microscopic vermin will search for a new victim. The main problem will be that they are too small to carry identification equipment and so they infect indiscriminately. As such, they must be deployed far away from allied equipment. However, packages of microbots can be destroyed remotely as allies prepare to invade enemy territory. <> [Copyright 1997, Jane's Information Group]

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CORBA Security beta from IONA
by Martin Janzen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just received the latest "IonaSphere" newsletter from IONA, makers of the Orbix Object Request Broker (ORB), and noticed this item which may be of interest to some of the people on this list: I28-B> IONA announces beta of CORBA Security Implementation =========================================================== OrbixSecurity enables organizations to deploy their mission-critical distributed systems on multiple platforms securely. It is tightly integrated with IONA's leading object request broker Orbix and facilitates the creation of CORBA level 1 secure distributed component-based applications. In parallel with the development of OrbixSecurity, IONA is also working on a secure socket layer (SSL v3.0) solution. SSL will be bundled in the company's Orbix/OTM enterprise suite of object development and management tools, also scheduled for the third quarter. SSL security offers authentication (based on X.509 certificates) and encryption (based on public and session key technologies). Subsequent to the initial general availability of OrbixSecurity in the third quarter of 1997, IONA will be working towards level 2 security support (which deals mostly with the definition and administration of security policies and domains) via product extensions and third party integrations. Availability The OrbixSecurity beta is available immediately on the Sun Solaris and Windows NT platforms. To participate in the beta program send an e-mail to beta(a)iona.com For more information see http://www.iona.com/Press/PR/security.html (Standard disclaimers: I don't work for these guys, get paid by them, etc...) -- Martin Janzen janzen(a)idacom.hp.com

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Re: [Noise, California only] Good deal on ISDN access
by Derek Atkins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> When for $150 you can get a brand spanking new 56K modem, and pay $20-30 a > month. Not as fast, but a much better price/performance ratio. Granted, ISDN gives you only twice that of a 56k modem (ISDN gives you 128k), the major benefit of using ISDN over analog is latency. The latency of analog modems is as high as 300ms, whereas the latency of an ISDN link is about 10% of that. MUCH better for real-time interactive connections. It all depends on how you define "performance". If you really want good performance, get MediaOne, RoadRunner, of @Home service. -derek Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL N1NWH warlord(a)MIT.EDU PGP key available

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IRS T-Pole Surveillance
by Michael F. Reusch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Commerce Business Daily, June 11, 1997 >Department of the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service, >6009 Oxon Hill Road, Suite 700, Oxon Hill, MD 20745 >Surveillance Systems SOL TIRNO97R00049 DUE 073097 >POC Contract Specialist, Steve VanderLinden, FAX (202) 283-1514 >The Internal Revenue Service requires enclosed surveillance systems >configured as transformers for mounting on telephone poles.... http://www.ld.com/cbd/archive/1997/06(June)/11-Jun-1997/58sol002.htm Still laughing. Made my day!

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(Fwd) Re: FCPUNX:Response to 'My War'
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III wrote: > >James A Donald writes: > > >> fAt 10:07 PM 6/9/97 -0700, se7en wrote: > >> > Anyone who thinks this doesn't affect the young children, you are wrong. > >> > I doubt these children consented to the sexual activity. I doubt they > >> > consented to being photographed. I doubt they consented to the pictures > >> > being distributed to others. > >> > >> Most of these children are adults now. A great many of them are > >> grandmothers. Yet I see no prosecutions for the distribution of > >> images by the supposed victims. > >[...] > >> Produce a victim and you will find it a lot easier to prosecute. > > >See http://www.net.be/connerotte/english-text.html for the timeline of > >last year's child sex & porn scandal in Belgium. Some of the victims > >there will never bring suit: they are dead. > > I think that you are missing the most important part of those articles: > > The so-called "protectors of childered" ie government officials were > involved in the kidnaping, rape, and pornography of children and the > subsequent cover-up after the fact. > > If there was ever a need for AP this is it. Mr Donald asked people to produce victims of child porn production, and implied that unless such victims could be found, we should assume that the whole business was consensual fun. I have provided him with proof of such victims. (I'm curious to see how he'll respond). That there was (and for all I know, continues to be) high level collusion within the Belgium government to hush this up is a side issue. While the perpetrators of these atrocities should be given life without parole, I say that AP is not the answer. I object to the death penalty in all circumstances. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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(Fwd) FWD: Texas Driver's License database on the web
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just in case it's not clear from the headers, this is being posted by Peter Trei. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Some forwards removed. From: Jim Thompson <jim(a)hosaka.SmallWorks.COM> I got a '503 Service Unavailable this server has been placed offline by the operator. Please try again later.' response the first two times I tried. But then... Oh look. A record of which elections in which you've voted. If you don't think this is the likely future, you're dead wrong. Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From: Brent Heustess <heustess(a)mail.utexas.edu> This is a really spooky web site <http://www.publiclink.com>. You can search 17 million Texas drivers by name, driver's license number or license plate number. When you find a person, you can then find everyone at that address with a license. You can even find everyone with the same 9-digit zip code. The record does not have a GIF of the photo, but it has everything else on the license. Did Psychos-R-Us request this site? "Could you create a database so I don't miss anyone when I go on a killing spree on the 900 block of Rosewood?" "28 my ass. I just checked the web and it says you were born 1965. Not ready to admit to be post-30? I'm not buying the 'I weigh 110' either. I read 118 plain as day." "I can't believe it. That asshole just cut me off. Well, Mr. ZBW-446, I guess a little midnight visit is in order to 1918 Grover St. Prepare to be stalked." "Johnny, I looked up your record last night and I couldn't believe my eyes. You're livin' in sin with that Sally Jenkins slut. How could you do this to your Dad & me? You move out now or we're gonna cut off your college money!" Public Link says this is public information, but where are the good old days when you had to have a friend down at the Dept of Public Safety who would look plate numbers up for you? If it was good enough for Rockford, it's good enough for me. Suprress your phone number & address from the phone book, but then it shows up in a searchable database on the web. Lot of good that did you. Now all those 7th Day Adventists know excatly where you live. Privacy, schmivacy. Ta, Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Public Link Corporation Public Databases on the Internet 5930-E Royal Lane Ste 173, Dallas, TX 75230 (214) 890-6817 Welcome to Public Link Corp., the Information Source of the Internet. We are here to provide public access to public information and public databases. The company uses data obtained from public sources currently available through the Freedom of Information Act and Open Records Laws. We believe it is the citizen's right to have this information available for their use. We expect to grow our database offerings to you over the next several months. Many times you have needed the type of information we provide and have had to use varous methods to obtain the information. Some of these methods you would prefer not to have to use again. Not any more! Just sit back and let us do the work for you. If you have a special suggestions or request, please let us know. Come and join us as we enter the information age! - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TexasDriverLink State of Texas Licensed Drivers. Over 17,000,000 Texas Drivers License Information. Updated weekly. This database contains the information contained on a person's drivers license. Data included are Name, Address, Weight, Birth Date, Sex, Expiration Date, Status (Active or Suspended), Class of License, and Restrictions. This database does not contain information on a person's traffic tickets, DWIs, or Insurance information. Search either by name or if you know the drivers license number, search by number. TexasTagLink State of Texas License Plates. Over 16,000,000 license plates with accompaning information. Updated weekly. This database contains the information about the owner of a vehicle. This database does not contain insurance information. Search currently only available by plate number. TexasDallasVoterLink Registered voter role for Dallas County Texas. This database also contains voting history for each of the one million registered voters. This database is updated quarterly. TexasArrestLink EvictionLink CivilCourtLink PropertyOwnerLink MarriageRecordLink - -- Jim Thompson / Smallworks, Inc. / jim(a)smallworks.com 512 338 0619 phone / 512 338 0625 fax HTML: The 3270 of the 90s

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by 53365743＠prodigy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Money magazine on digital cash
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As some of you know, I work in the Washington bureau of Time Inc., which is home not just to Time Magazine and AllPolitics but also People and Money. Some folks down the hall at Money are working on an article about digital cash and the Net and would like to interview some folks who might have something interesting to say. Keep in mind the magazine's focus is on personal finance. If you're interested let me know and I'll forward your names and contact info. -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Flag burning vote TOMORROW and government-imposed ratings
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Flag burning vote TOMORROW and government-imposed ratings I don't often forward along non-Net issues, but these are too important to ignore. First, from my colleagues at AllPolitics: http://www.allpolitics.com/1997/gen/analysis/counterpoint/ Counterpoint: Ban Flag Burning? It's baaaack.....! The House is set to vote June 12 on a proposed amendment to the Constitution that would ban flag desecration. Democratic Rep. William Lipinksi, a lead sponsor, says the flag is too important a symbol not to be protected, while ACLU executive director Ira Glasser warns against weakening the First Amendment. Read on for a note from Chris Finan. Also check out Cato's web site for a related paper on mandatory "voluntary" ratings by f-c subscriber Bob Corn-Revere: http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/v_chipes.html -Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:43:54 -0400 From: Chris Finan <mediacoalition(a)sprintmail.com> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: Government ratings of TV Declan, The opponents of government-mandated TV ratings need help. The FCC is under heavy pressure to appoint a panel to devise a system of ratings to replace the ratings that the networks have voluntarily adopted. More than 300 of the 355 e-mail comments received by the FCC have been from individuals and groups urging greater censorship of TV. Would you post this message on the Fight Censorship list to let people know that they can e-mail their views to the FCC? Their messages, which needn't be long or formal, should be sent to vchip(a)fcc.gov as soon as possible. The Free Expression Network has jumped in with both feet to the fight against a government-mandated TV rating system. Its website, the Free Expression Clearing House, www.freeexpression.org, has a lot of current information on the TV ratings fight. Thanks.

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mailing list
by Tom McClanahan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to be on your mailing list. minuteman(a)fuse.net Thank you.

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Re: June 18th SF C'punks meeting: export controls on trial
by Ed.Falk＠Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ... There will also > be a regular 2nd-Saturday c'punks meeting this month (I think it's at > PGP, Inc.) Hi all; I haven't seen the agenda yet, but if there is time & interest, I would be willing to organize a PGP key-signing party. Signify interest by mailing your key -- or a pointer to it -- to me by Friday. Come to the c'punks meeting with photo ID and your PGP fingerprint. It would also be way cool if we could get some of the folks at PGP Inc. to join in. More info on key-signing parties will be at www.best.com/~falconer/keyparty.html by tommorrow. -ed falk

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export rules obsolete, says U.S. official
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/info/061197/info12_13274.html ______________________________________________________________________ Supercomputer export rules obsolete, says U.S. official __________________________________________________________________________ Copyright ) 1997 Nando.net Copyright ) 1997 The Associated Press WASHINGTON (June 11, 1997 5:56 p.m. EDT) -- A Commerce Department official denied that Clinton administration export policies let U.S. supercomputers be used by hostile nations for weapons and said old controls are now unworkable. The president's 1995 decision to loosen export controls on supercomputers and other high-tech products recognized that technology is advancing at lightning speed and already is available throughout the world, William A. Reinsch, Commerce's undersecretary for export administration, said Wednesday. Harsher restrictions on the export of the most powerful computers would be of limited benefit, he said. "Efforts to control at lower levels will not only be unsuccessful, they will limit our ability to widely disseminate American standards and software and damage our companies economically," Reinsch told the Senate Governmental Affairs subcommittee on international security, proliferation and federal services. "When President Clinton took office he was urged by congressional leaders of both parties to make long-overdue reforms in this area," Reinsch said. "I believe our efforts to do that have been a model of good government decision making." Sen. Thad Cochran, subcommittee chairman, retorted that Russia's premier nuclear weapons labs have five American supercomputers, and at least 46 are used in China. "The good news is that some of these major scientific technological institutes across China may not be involved in developing weapons of mass destruction and missile delivery systems for China and its clients. But some surely are," Cochran, R-Miss., said. "And they're doing this work courtesy of what appears to be, at best, a deeply flawed U.S. export-control policy." The United States restricts export of fast-calculating supercomputers to nonallies. Military uses to which supercomputers can be put are testing nuclear weapons, building accurate missiles and developing code-breaking technology. Reinsch said the Justice Department is investigating three sales of supercomputers overseas, two in Russia and one to the Chinese Academy of Sciences. The sales are suspected of violating U.S. regulations designed to keep U.S. technology from falling into the wrong hands. Commerce officials also are checking into whether U.S. supercomputers sold to customers in Dubai have been resold to Iran, he said. Two Republican House members, Rep. Henry Hyde of Illinois and Rep. Tillie K. Fowler of Florida, have demanded a Justice Department investigation into sales of sensitive equipment to China as part of its inquiry into foreign campaign contributions to Democrats. In a May 22 letter to Attorney General Janet Reno, the lawmakers said the situation raises questions about whether campaign contributions from Asian donors led to the sales. In response to a question from Cochran, Reinsch said he didn't think the Commerce Department had been asked to turn over information as part of such an investigation, "but we will certainly turn over to them whatever they ask for." By CASSANDRA BURRELL, Associated Press Writer _________________________________________________________________ [ Global | Stateside | Sports | Politics | Opinions | Business | Techserver | Health & Science | Entertainment | Weather | Baseball | Basketball | Football | Hockey | Sport Server | MAIN ] _________________________________________________________________ Copyright ) 1997 Nando.net Do you have some feedback for the Nando Times staff?

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War)
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tzeruch(a)ceddec.com wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Steve Schear wrote: > > I find lust to be a noble urge. > > Then you probably find rape a noble deed. I do not. If you are referring > to the acts our net.loon often posts to this list, I hope you enjoy > placing yourself at his level. My ideas originate above my limbic system. You forgot to add, "...and your mother wears army boots!" before your attempted "guilt by association" slur and the placing of your esteemed self on an intellectual pedestal. I have noticed in the list's dick wars and pissing contests that those with the shortest dicks put themselves on pedestals in order to compensate for their physical shortcomings and those with the smallest bladders use the largest dictionary in hopes that extra acidity will compensate for lack of volume. It is my contention that those who enjoy "mental masturbation" also "find lust to be a noble urge." Of course, I'm Chinese...I could be Wong. A thousand monkeys spanking typewriters and purporting to be: TruthMonger

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Re: [CNN] Stolen Laptops and lame 'solution' (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > From: "Raymond Mereniuk" <raymond(a)wcs.net> > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:22:48 +0000 > Subject: Re: [CNN] Stolen Laptops and lame 'solution' > theft. But, the eventual buyer is indirectly responsible for the > initial theft of the notebook. Bullshit. That is like saying the person being raped is responsible for the rape. This is plain and simple victim-speak. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: [CNN] Stolen Laptops and lame 'solution'
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706112341.QAA05443(a)mat.wcs.net>, on 06/11/97 at 05:22 PM, "Raymond Mereniuk" <raymond(a)wcs.net> said: >I assume most notebooks which are recovered are found to be in the hands >of a buyer rather than the person responsible for the actual theft. >But, the eventual buyer is indirectly responsible for the initial theft >of the notebook. How is the buyer responsible even indirectly? Someone puts an add in the paper NEC Laptop $1,500. I go and check it out and buy it. Should it be my respocibility to call NEC over in Japan and find out if it was reported stolen (if they even keep such records). Should I have to call the manufacture every time I buy a some used equipment? Perhaps I should have a background check done before I buy anything. If anyone is responcible for the theft other than the theif is the person who was so carless with their equipment. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM59KoY9Co1n+aLhhAQEbLgP/f4DJARITmE0TH2A+unxHpXxLCOllQqCC rUOATCG215sy6hK4Wy9a3k9AP3T4nAG/JpzAjK0n6Dw4poJLpZXE2PvjU3JGA2bH vIXSjsBdecksFVFHwJyCKJTbds+TuUKwfRepyMRlhmg8cuJqh34XC037WRxPeE7s dk9fdmyr1wA= =XwvD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Can you say anti-trust? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > CNN logo > > MICROSOFT, NETSCAPE JOIN FORCES IN WEB PRIVACY BATTLE > > June 11, 1997 > Web posted at: 1:56 p.m. EDT (1756 GMT) web graphic > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. and Netscape Communications > Corp., two of the Internet's biggest rivals, Wednesday announced a > stunning alliance aimed at more tightly controlling the personal > information that businesses collect about World Wide Web users. > > The teaming of the two software competitors reflected the heightened > concern in the business community that government regulators may > impose rules to crack down on privacy intrusions by Internet > companies. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Mapquest From The Road
by fromtheroad＠mapquest.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MapQuest is pleased to present: ========================================================== From The Road http://www.mapquest.com/fromtheroad June 9, 1997 ========================================================== >From The Road is a members only newsletter published by MapQuest. Issues will consist of a brief email like this, linked to a Web version of FTR. Check out FTR on the Web at: http://www.mapquest.com/fromtheroad or read on. At MapQuest, we are strong believers in online communities, and have long hoped for a way to introduce our members to each other. We hope to accomplish that by sharing the best MapQuest stories with all of our 1,000,000+ members. Each issue will contain the following regular features: ============================== *NEW FEATURES DETOUR* There's more to MapQuest than meets the eye. Do you love Paris in the spring? Let us help you find your way around the highlights of Europe. ============================== *FROM THE DRIVER'S SEAT* MapQuest member stories from TRW (the real world). This issue's story From The Driver's Seat story takes us to the freeways of Southern California. Read how one member uses MapQuest on the job. You don't want to be late for this meeting! ============================== *MAP SIDE STORY* Personal maps and the stories behind 'em. Here's a unique CONTEST for all the avid mapmakers out there who have created personal maps. We want to show off the best personalized maps and the stories behind them. If your map really has personality, let us know. All of our winners will receive a prize from MapQuest. ============================== *NEWS AND VIEWS* A friendly fireside chat, only without the fireplace. Join us for a moment of commentary as we discuss the growth of online travel services and the benefits to you, the consumer. ============================== *THE WINNER'S CIRCLE* Enter our Road Trip From Hell contest! Tell us about your worst driving trip ever and you could WIN great prizes such as a weekend in San Francisco! Just click and enter at http://www.mapquest.com. We hope you enjoy From The Road and decide to share your stories with us. Bon Voyage! ========================================================== If this newsletter was passed on to you and you wish to subscribe, simply become a MapQuest member by visiting http://www.mapquest.com. A click on "Personalized Maps" will take you to our free member registration page. Each MapQuest member automatically receives >From The Road. If you do not wish to receive From The Road email announcements you may unsubscribe by sending us an email at fromtheroad(a)mapquest.com, with the subject line of the email reading: UNSUBSCRIBE. Even if you unsubscribe, you will remain a MapQuest member. No hard feelings. ;-) ==========================================================

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Unleashing Micro Viruses on Networks (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:57:00 -0400 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: Unleashing Micro Viruses on Networks > 6-11-97, Janes' Defence Weekly: > Thumbnail-sized micro-robots, known as `microbots', will > also be unleashed by micro-air vehicles and naval guns. These > parasites will creep into electronic equipment, attach > themselves, and keep themselves alive by draining generator > power. > > Once the electronics system's energy is depleted, the fully > charged microscopic vermin will search for a new victim. > > The main problem will be that they are too small to carry > identification equipment and so they infect indiscriminately. > As such, they must be deployed far away from allied > equipment. > > However, packages of microbots can be destroyed remotely > as allies prepare to invade enemy territory. Check out: Bug Park James P. Hogan ISBN 0-671-87773-9 $22.00 hardbound ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re:Texas Driver's License database on the web
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Marshall Clow wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Peter Trei wrote: > > > >> Did Psychos-R-Us request this site? "Could you create a database so I > >> don't miss anyone when I go on a killing spree on the 900 block of > >> Rosewood?" > When my libertairan streak is in full flood, I think that since > this information was collected by government employees and > paid for by tax dollars, that it should be availiable to anyone > who wants it, for (minimal or) no cost. > > Of course, the better solution is to not collect the information > at all. (Not selling it just means that people can buy it on the > black market, or in the case of TRW, etc; buy legislatures) It amazes me that in an age when government and corporations have access to untold mountains of information about all of us, that we seem to get upset when Joe Average is given access to that same information. The end result of this is that those with the most authority (access to information) are able to exert power and control over those with less access to the same information. Dateline NBC just did a show about a Health Insurance company whose refused to tell a potential client that the blood test they did on him was positive for HIV (even though they shared this information with other insurance companies). I will wager that if a few dozen Joe and Jane Average citizens knew of this and knew they could contact the man through the Texas DPS database that one of them would have had the decency to call the man and inform him of the life-threatening disease. The Machine feeds off of us by taking away our rights of self expression and self defence and then convincing us that the Machine is our benefactor and protector while our fellow humans are a threat to us and should be feared. Thus we end up fearing people with different religious views instead of the Machine that launches a murderous assault on the men, women and children who are a threat to our mainstream views. We end up fearing the janitor at the insurance company who may well do volunteer work for good causes instead of fearing the Machine that lets us die and infect our family members while sharing our private information with other parts of the Machine. Yes, you may get attacked by some wacko who targets you and finds your address from a database. Or, you may get attacked by some wacko who targets someone else but can't find their address from a database so they pick you as a random target. The Information Age is upon us, for better or worse. If all parts of the Machine are going to know all my personal data, then I also want for myself and Joe and Jane Average to have access to the same data. If the BATF wants to look me up at home through use of a database, then I want Timothy McAverage to be able to look all of them up through the same database. The Machine will make certain that every instance of some wacko using accessed information to abuse someone gets front-page press. No doubt the weak of wit will cry out for the Machine to protect us from abuse of access to information. This makes as much sense as asking to be protected from education and knowledge because of the potential for abuse. We have citizens who decry the fact that information on explosives should be freely available so they demand that the Machine which produces nuclear weapons censor that information. God forbid that someone would make a pipe bomb that wipes out a nuclear weapons factory. Instead of "Give me freedom or give me death." we now have a nation which cries out for security even if it means imprisonment. In our desire for ultimately unattainable levels of safety and security we allow (and even beg for) the Machine to imprison our bodies, our minds and our spirit. Instead of putting child pornographers in prison we will put cryptographers and remailer operators in prison. Instead of confiscating the assets of drug czars will confiscate the assets of people who have a kid who smokes a joint once a week. Instead of censoring legislation which limits our freedom and privacy we will censor literature which proposes democratic assassination of those who oppress us. Personal data privacy is history, for the most part. The focus of those who wish to retain privacy in certain areas of their life and their communication should be on technologies which will allow them to *personally* keep those things private. To continue to leave public information only in the hands of the corporate and government Machine is to continue to empower the Machine and weaken the power of the citizen. TruthMonger

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[IMPORTANT] e$
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May Tim C[ocksucker] May's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. \\\ {OQ} Tim C[ocksucker] May (_)

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