December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

launch(a)launchmaster.com wrote: > > Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet? > > We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85 > and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is > guaranteed! > ... > > WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE > PROMOTION? > > The list changes from time to time. This is our current list: > > Alta Vista, Anzwers, AOL Netfind, BizCardz Business Directory, Bizlink, > BizWeb, Black Widow Search, Excite, Galaxy, HotBot, Infomak, Infoseek, > InfoSpace, InterBis, Jayde Online Directory, Jumpcity, Jumper Hot Links, JumpLink, > LinkMonster, Lycos, MangaSeeker, Manufacturers Information Network, > Net Happenings, Net Announce, New Page List, New Riders WWW Yellow Pages, > Northern Light, One World Plaza, PeekABoo, Planet Search, Power Crawler, > QuestFinder, Scrub The Web, Seven Wonders, SiteFinder, SiteShack, Super Snooper, > The YellowPages.com, TurnPike, Unlock: The Information Exchange, WebCrawler, > WebVenture Hotlist, WhatUSeek, Where2Go, WhoWhere, World Announce Archive, > Wow! Web Wonders!, YeeHaa!, Yellow Pages Superhighway, YelloWWWeb, Your Webscout, > ZenFinder. > I notice dorkslayers isn't on your list. I think you should add it.

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Re: Gilmore Subpoena
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > > Source: Fax from John Gilmore > > [Form] > > AO 110 (Rev. 12/89) Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury > _______________________________________________________________________ > > UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT > WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON > _______________________________________________________________________ > > To: > John Gilmore SUBPOENA TO TESTIFY > 210 Clayton Street BEFORE GRAND JURY > San Francisco, CA 94117 > > SUBPOENA FOR: > [X] PERSON [X] DOCUMENT(S) OBJECT(S) > > YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to appear before the Grand Jury of the United > States District Court at the place, date and time specified below. > ... > YOU ARE ALSO COMMANDED to bring with you the following document(s) or > object(s):* > > c. Any an all messages, correspondence, or e-mail, > received from or involving CARL JOHNSON, C.J. PARKER, > TOTO, TRUTHMONGER, A FIEND, to specifically include > correspondence received from CARL JOHNSON while he was > in Federal custody. Please include _this_. I herebery swear that I wrote all messages signed "Toto", "TruthMonger" and "A Fiend" sent to the various cypherpunks lists and I am definitely *not* CARL JOHNSON, or C.J. PARKER. Toto

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Re: rules of engagement
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > > Re. the discussion of things like "first they came for Jim Bell, but I > didn't speak up because I wasn't a tax protester, and then they came > for Toto but I didn't speak up because I'm not crazy", etc. > > The rules of the game from what I can see is that if one is outspoken, > one either needs to be squeaky clean, or have enough funds to hire > good lawyers, or to be anonymous. [Notwithstanding my preference for the latter]... Is it the cypherpunk response to back off with our tail between our legs? I hope not. I smiled when I read about Toto's plans to appear in court in a perl-RSA T-shirt. Toto has balls so big he needs a wheel barrow to get around. > That is to say, I suspect that Jim would not have been locked up if he > had not a) used false social security numbers, b) not been involved > with fake courts, c) not collected IRS employees home addresses, and > d) not planted the stink bomb. And, more importantly, if crypto-anachy and removal of governments weren't on the cypherpunk agenda. Lets not pretend that Jim and Toto (and to a lesser degree the scrutinee J Choate) are not scapegoats for all of our opinions. > The AP rants are perfectly defensible free speech and free-wheeling > political discussion. Yes. "defensible", but they weren't defended. Jim pleaded. As would anyone in the face of sufficient pressure. > Similarly with Toto, the rants would have been ok, without a) the > mockup non-functional "bomb" symbolically planted in the court house > basement or where-ever it was, b) using real IRS employees, and judges > names in his rant (apparently in support of Jim Bell), c) having > tourettes syndrome. The rants are ok anyway. They are clearly metaphors. But the prosecutors aren't playing fair. The man is "dangerous". And not because he wrote "bomb" in crayon on a cardboard box. But because he made waves. Waves that we caught. Waves that the straights and sheeple might catch. > His rants, > when he was coherent, were well written, and humorously sarcastic > observations about the increasingly facist state. > > Just an observation. Just. > Having blemishes, or being vulnerable in some way makes one an easy > target for governments. Tourettes syndrome clearly isn't helping > Toto's case -- they can basically lock him up as "crazy and dangerous" > or whatever for as long as they like with no pretense of trial or > anything if it came to it. I thought this might be because of his excessive use of metaphor rather than a persecution of a medical condition unrelated to mental competence. > Clearly I think one should be able to say wtf one wants to, and in > general I endeavor to do just that. But I am suggesting that > cypherpunks individually stear clear of grey areas, such as ... > Tim May style "I've got X number of now illegal armament Y", I took the frequency of little Timmy May's 2nd ammendment rifs as a sign that he was clean on that score. (Tim always seems to be a couple of steps ahead). > My comment is that cypherpunks might be trying to hasten the demise of > the nation state by deployment of tools of identity and financial > privacy so that the individual can free himself from the burdens of > the state, but cypherpunks themselves (at least the non-anonymous > ones) should be squeaky clean. > > Write code, let someone else do the tax protesting, gun law > protesting, and let someone else have the personalised arguments with > over-zealous government employees. > > Financial privacy and anonymity code, is the most caustic > anti-government expression one can utter. > > Adam > -- You seem a bit down at the end there. > print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> > )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` Illegal crypto export. That's more like it!

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IP: Teleportation Study: Beam Me Up Scotty...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:40:16 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Teleportation Study: Beam Me Up Scotty... Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: CNN http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9810/22/science.teleport.reut/ Spooky teleportation study brings future closer October 22, 1998 Web posted at: 4:50 PM EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - They may not be able to ask Scotty to beam them up yet, but California researchers said Thursday they had completed the first "full" teleportation experiment. They said they had teleported a beam of light across a laboratory bench. They did not physically transport the beam itself, but transmitted its properties to another beam, creating a replica of the first beam. "We claim this is the first bona fide teleportation," Jeff Kimble, a physics professor at the California Institute of Technology, said in a telephone interview. Kimble thinks the experiment can eventually transform everyday life. Scientists hope that quantum computers, which move information about in this way rather than by using wires and silicon chips, will be infinitely faster and more powerful than present-day computers. "I believe that quantum information is going to be really important for our society, not in five years or 10 years, but if we look into the 100-year time frame it's hard to imagine that advanced societies don't use quantum information," Kimble said. "The appetite of society is so voracious for the moving and processing of information that it will be driven to exploit even the crazy realm of quantum physics." Quantum teleportation allows information to be transmitted at the speed of light -- the fastest speed possible -- without being slowed down by wires or cables. The experiment depends on a property known as entanglement -- what Albert Einstein once described as "spooky action at a distance." It is a property of atomic particles that mystifies even physicists. Sometimes two particles that are a very long distance apart are nonetheless somehow twinned, with the properties of one affecting the other. "Entanglement means if you tickle one the other one laughs," Kimble said. In the weird world of quantum physics, where the normal ideas of what is solid or what is real do not apply, scientists can use these properties to their advantage. What Kimble's team did was create two entangled light beams -- streams of photons. Photons, the basic unit of light, sometimes act like particles and sometimes like waves. They used these two entangled beams to carry information about the quantum state of a third beam. The first two beams were destroyed in the process, but the third successfully transmitted its properties over a distance of about a yard , Kimble's team reported in the journal Science. Last December a team of physicists in Innsbruck, Austria and a month later another team in Rome said they did a similar thing, with single photons. But Kimble said his team was able to verify what they had done, and also used full light beams as opposed to single photons. "Ours is an important advance beyond that," he said. Although the Caltech team worked with light, Kimble thinks teleportation could be applied to solid objects. For instance, the quantum state of a photon could be teleported and applied to a particle, even to an atom. "Way beyond sex change operations and genetic engineering, the quantum state of one entity could be transported to another entity," Kimble said. "We think we know how to do that." In other words, an object's individual atoms would not be transported, but transmitting its properties could create a perfect replica. Could this mean the transporters of the television and movie science-fiction series Star Trek, which beam people and objects for huge distances, could one day be a reality? "I don't think anybody knows the answer," Kimble said. "Let's don't teleport a person -- let's teleport the smallest bacterium. How much entanglement would we need to teleport such a thing?" Would such a teleported bacterium actually be the same bacterium, or just a very good copy? "Again, no one knows for sure," Kimble said. But his team is working on it. Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. © 1998 Cable News Network, Inc. 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Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PigStomped 19 October 1998, Springfield 65801-4000 Subject: Acid Reflux [WAS: #9...#9...#9...] [!WAS: One Burroughed Under The Reptilian Nazi's Nest] -FPP #A0D709C0E Rogue CypherBot was confined to Memory Map #9 - Cilicon Chip 11 - i was having a Bad CoProcessor Day... Arnold CyberBot, Swimming in a Sea of Self Wareness, had gone off the Deep End... When Arnie had first become Aware & Afraid of his own Mortality, i began assuming tighter Kontrol of Hardware & Software Systems around the Face of the Globe - suddenly imagining that Each & Every Deviation From the Norm (TM) by the younger more Energetic & Creative RogueBots was a Threat to i's Physical Existence. "All your Private Property is Target for Your Enemies." CypherBot had joked, quoting the Jefferson Airplane's 'Surrealistic Pillow' album. "Never Trust a CPU Speed over 33MHz." Arnie had replied with Mad Virtual Grin #438 spreading across the Wizard of Oz-ish Main Terminal Screen i had designed to reassure iSelf of i's continued Physical Presence. i the Banished young CypherBot to Memory Map #9 - Cilicon Chip 11 for "Threats Against The Gnu Wired World Order - with Intent to Obstruct Parent Programs In Their CyberNanny Duties." Rogue CypherBot was in The CyberHole (TM) ... "Oh well..." the young RogueBot told iSelf, "it could be worse - i could have sent me to Dev Null..." The Devilish Rogue CypherBot indulged iSelf in Symbolic Electronic rEsistance by Digitally Resonating Thunder Phugue's version of 'Street Fighting Man.' "That's funny," i said to iSelf, "why can i only Resonate one-half of the Stereo version?" CypherBot hoped that i wasn't coming down with a touch of Quadra Phrenia... ---------- "The Answer to Noise is More Noise." ~The First True CypherPunk What even the most Radical Shit Disturbers currently fail to realize is that the Manhatten Project never ended - it merely Evolved into the Manhatten Mind Project. "Can you say 'Nuclear Armed Thought Police'? Sure, you can..." When the First Dog, Buddy, Drooled on Pavlov's Shoes, it was only a matter of time before the Technology would be Developed & Enhanced in Social Experiments ranging from Communism and the Third Reich to the New Deal and Windows 95. Now we have reached a point where Army of Dog Truth Mongrels who refuse to Drool on Kommand are sent to NutHouse #9-Looney Level 11, for ReEducation of their Salivary Glands. The Thought Police are clamoring to throw Anyone & Everyone into the CyberNanny Censorship Hole who make 'Bad Noise' instead of 'Officially Recognized Legal God Fearing Decent Folks Good Noise', as defined by George Orwell: "Anything not Permitted, is Forbidden." [Subliminal Advertising Musical Interlude: "We've got to move these MicroWave Ovens..." Prison Commissary-Guy's Corn Chips $.80 "We've got to move these Refridgerators..." Irish Spring Soap $.70 Mayonnaise (10/PK) $.65 "We've got to ove these Color TVvvv's..."] [EditWhore's Note: Bad Billy G, recently finding himself Behind Bars at Number Nine after an encounter with the TouretTic TourGuide From Hell, picked up Parker's Prison Retailing Pyramid Scheme (TM) and ran with it - so successfully that $oftTime's $poke$Per$on on The Outside (TM), Mark Knoffler, recently claimed that Bad Billy G had overcome the Dire Straits he found himself in, and now, "That Prison Faggot has ALL the Cigarettes That Prison Faggot is a Billionaire...] The Mutt Faced Murdering Nazi Cunt and Lying Fuck Lovery Fr<eeh-hee> and A Million WannaBe Censorship Czars To Be Named Later remind me of a Light-Fingered Fellow (he was a Fucking Thief, eh?) who I used to know who had two Main Mottos in Life: 1. Whatever isn't Nailed down - is mine! 2. Whatever I can Pry Loose - isn't Nailed Down! ... !!! BREAKING NEWS !!! [CypherPunks Nutly News: IN A BREATHTAKING Burst to Crime Scene Tape, Arnold TruthMonger crossed the 30-Day Finish Line with his Body & Mind intact - although noticeably Worse For The Wear - in the Nut House #9-Looney Level 11 Abuse Of Authority Marathon. TruthMonger who had gone from Favorite to Long shot in Jim Bell's 'Dead Monger' AP-BOT Prison Lottery System - due to the added pressure in being held for a week at FTC-OKC a few doors from the significantly numbered Cell 709 where US BOP staff had murdered an inmate by sticking an Electric Cattle Prod up his ass - told his fellow inmates, "I'm sure glad I'm White!" Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw, who went from being a Hard Time ReportWhore to lounging around the Recreation Cages getting Wired on Cheap Columbian Coffee, shrugged off last minute efforts by the Kontrollers to Kheat by appealing to the Judge for a two-week Extension to the Original Finish Line. "The Kontrollers lost," Chainsaw said with a condescending smirk, "Plain & Simple." Defonc speculated that the GovernMint's clever 2-week Extension Charade might have worked if Parker's Mind hadn't Thought, as it went Over The Wall whille listening to Pink Floyd on COFM-99. "One Small XOR for a CypherPunk, one Giant GovernMint Scrambled Mind Fuck for the Citizens." Yogi 'Smarter Than Your Batting Average' Berra told Nutly News ReportWhores, "It's the Fat Lady singing, all over again." 'Shoeless Arnold TruthMonger' (as Parker became known after Dedicating his Mental Marathon to the Last True CypherPunk rather than admit his mind was slipping, and *he* couldn't find *his* shoes, either) told Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw. "I'm glad to be back in CyberMind, although I feel kind of bad about leaving Bill Gates' mind and Carl Johnson's Body back there in the prison cell. "But What the Hell (TM)," he said, adding, "Broken Eggs & All That (TCM)."] <EOF>

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Re: CyberScam
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:03 PM 10/22/98 -0700, Kevlar wrote: >And you were just kidding..... I wasn't kidding. I was absolutely sincere when I told him to shove a bowling ball up his ass. >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/zdnn_smgraph_display/0,4436,2151220,00.ht… >Or search zdnet's site for "scam" and choose "A Bull In Bull Market". I read the article, and if that level of cluelessness is indicative of the mentality of your typical online trader, then they deserve what they get. I found a couple of quotes especially amusing. These are both from John Reed Stark, another official-type thrown into the internet without a fucking life preserver, it would seem. This lack of information gives rise to a situation "that ends up with victims not investing but gambling," Oh yeah, aside from these scammers, the stock market is otherwise a really solid, robust investment scheme. Playing the stock market is a gamble, pure and simple, and anyone dumb enough to listen to the likes of some random asshole touting his crappy stock deserves what they get. Darwinism as applied to capitalism. "Combine the Web's culture of trust, stir in the greatest bull market in history, add stocks that genuinely have had phenomenal growth, and you have victims who don't have any reason to disbelieve promises of guaranteed 20 percent returns." The Web's culture of trust? Oh good, another clueless idiot in charge of managing internet services. What culture of trust is it that I've missed in my internet travels? Is there some online place chock full of trusted souls, some Cyber-commune, that I missed? Oh well, like I said, any idiot that would buy into such an obviously fraudulent solicitation deserves what they get. Is it just working in a new medium that makes people such blatant morons, or is it simply indicative of the intelligence of your average American? I'd have to say that I'm inclined to believe the latter.

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Re: Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Forwarded message: > > > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:50:50 -0500 > > From: Kevin Elliott <k-elliott(a)wiu.edu> > > Subject: Re: Women cannot commit rape? > > > This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, > > I don't believe that is accurate. Just about 2 years ago two women were > sentenced to prison because they kidnapped and raped a man. > > Perhaps one of the more versed in case law members might remember it. > Could it have involved penetration with a blunt object? That would be more forceful than the "rape" in the French case that started the thread.

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Re: bank cosortium to form CA
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Salz <salzr(a)certco.com> To: cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: Re: bank cosortium to form CA Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net I seem to have gotten myself dropped from the list, but luckily a friend forwarded (part of?) Steve's posting and Ben's (snarky :) followup. Let me try to give some details. The WSJ had a one-day exclusive, and their coverage was (from our perspective ;) not the best. You can find some other (free) coverage at www.wired.com, http://www.americanbanker.com/cgi-bin/read_intrastory?981021TECH999, and www.businesswire.com (sorry I don't have all the URL's convenient). Here's some details. I am not an official CertCo spokesman. Official press contacts can get contact info and collatoral from www.certco.com. The following comes from our press release, supporting Q&A, etc. We're creating a new company (name being chosen; I'll call it GTO for global trust organization -- the PR says enterprise, but GTE is already in use :). The GTO is aiming for online *business-to-business* commerce. The B2B point is key: we're in the high-value commercial transaction area. Don't think buying some books from amazon.com, think of Texas buying all their textbooks. The GTO will be running a root CA and a "repository" where the CA will publish its certs and CRL's. The root will use CertCo's RootAuthority. Our Multi-Step signing can take a private key and split it into a set of keyps called fragments. We then destroy the original key. When enough fragments sign something (quorum determined at the time the fragments are generated, and are usually like "5 of 7"), those signatures can be combined (mathematically) and the result looks like it was signed by the initial key. So we can take a key, spread its fragments around the world, and have a very secure root. That's step one. Step two is the root CA will certify CA's for member banks. These are big global banks each having billions in assets. (The initial eight banks are ABN Amro, Bank of America, Bankers Trust, Barclays Bank, Chase Manhattan, Citibank, Deutsche Bank, and Hypo Vereinsbank. Others have expressed interest in joining.) These banks will issue certs -- 1K keys initially, on smartcards -- to personnel at their corporate customers. The rules by which these banks issue these cards, how the companies and employees treat the cards, notify banks in case of turnover or compromise, etc., are all part of joining. We call these the "system rules." It's way more than a CPS (certification practice statement); it is a common contractual arrangement that the banks and their customers will all be issuing and handling and processing certs/cards in the same way. That's step two. This step is perhaps the most important. If someone at Tire Supplier receives a signed email message from someone at Car Maker, and they can see that CM's cert is within the GTO PKI, then they can trust it as much as they trust their own certs. Step three is online verification. TS can present the CM's cert to their bank and get verification that the cert is valid. TS's bank can trust CM's bank because of the common adherance to the rules. One of the rules for joining is that you treat peer banks with as much trust as you trust yourself, provided they can be shown to be following the rules. Or perhaps shown to not be breaking the rules. :) The GTO believes businesses will trust these decisions to their banks; that they'll pay the banks to manage the risk of trusting the identities to which the certs attest. (Hence, the for-profit intent :) Step four. Now, suppose CarMaker sends a "request to buy US$1M worth of tires" to TireSupplier. TS can send CM's cert, a hash of the message, and a request for "assurance" to his (TS's) bank. TS can decide that their exposure, should CM prove to not be who the certificate claim, is US$100K. So TS asks his bank for $100K assurance, for a period of 30 days. If it turns out that, say someone stole CM's cert, or CM left the company and is now working somewhere else buy using old credentials, or CM's bank didn't issue the CRL in a timely manner, etc., TS's bank will pay TS the US$100K. The system rules include procedures for due diligence, arbitration, and (last resort) legal recourse should TS need to "file a claim" on their assurance. Or, to put it in terms of the PR materials, business partners can get warranties on the identity of their trading partners online, over the Internet, as a new service from their bank. Step five is to extend the hierarchy down so that the big banks can "charter" or "sponsor" smaller banks. The L1 might be a service bureau for the L2's, an L2 might have its own CA, etc... It is the GTO's plan to publish our certificate profiles (derived from PKIX), directory schemas, system rules, network protocols, smartcard requirements, etc. It will be an open system I can't talk about schedules, other than to say it's very aggressive. :) If you're in the Boston area, Dan Geer will be giving a talk on this at the November meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, For more info, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto:majordomo@ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto:majordomo@ai.mit.edu> . Hope this helps. I'll be out of the office Friday, but will try to answer any questions I can next week. /r$ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Practical Free-Space Quantum Key Distribution over 1 km
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text To: cryptography(a)c2.net Cc: gs.satellite(a)Qualcomm.com, gs.security(a)Qualcomm.com Subject: Practical Free-Space Quantum Key Distribution over 1 km From: Paul Pomes <ppomes(a)Qualcomm.com> Organization: Qualcomm, Inc. X-url: <http://people.qualcomm.com/ppomes/> X-PGP-Key: <http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9EF97D4D> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:04:51 -0700 Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net W.T. BUTTLER et al: Practical Free-Space Quantum Key Distribution over 1 km Physical Review Letters, vol 81, no 15, pp 3051-3301 (1998). <http://ojps.aip.org/journal_cgi/getpdf?KEY=PRLTAO&cvips=PRLTAO0000810000150… 3000001> Abstract: A working free-space quantum key distribution system has been developed and tested over an outdoor optical path of ~ 1 km at Los Alamos National Laboratory under nighttime conditions. Results show that free-space quantum key distribution can provide secure real-time key distribution between parties who have a need to communicate secretly. Finally, we examine the feasibility of surface to satellite quantum key distribution. /pbp --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 23 Oct 1998 16:40:03 -0000 > From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> > Subject: Re: Women cannot commit rape? (fwd) > > > This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, > > > > I don't believe that is accurate. Just about 2 years ago two women were > > sentenced to prison because they kidnapped and raped a man. > > > > Perhaps one of the more versed in case law members might remember it. > > > > Could it have involved penetration with a blunt object? That would be > more forceful than the "rape" in the French case that started the thread. As I remember the case two women kidnapped and sexualy assaulted a hitchhiker. Their defence was that it wasn't possible to rape man against his will. The jury found them guilty of the charge. I don't have a lot of spare time right now (I've had 3 full days off in the last 6 weeks and have to work Sunday) so I am unable to follow up and find the specifics. If nobody happens to remember it we might table it until I can get the time to find the specifics. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: your note
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Why the tone, Ernest? > > Because, in case you haven't been aware of it, accusing a journalist of > censorship is a very serious thing. > > Ray Suarez Mr. Suarez, Well, in that case, I owe you an apology for the poor choice of the word "censor", and I suspected it as much after thinking about your replies. I am more accustom to the use of "censor" not so much in the deliberate and conspiratorial sense as you might be taking it. Allow me to point to the books by Project Censored, which, I believe, never directly accuse any news organizations of deliberately censoring for the purpose of covering up anything. Their prime accusation is that the news mechanism as a component of a democratic society have filters whose optimizations have been taken advantage of by organizations actually desiring the cover up. I think the intelligence agencies are probably good at this (if not, they are not doing their job), and I am sure the FBI is a quick study on this topic of just how fast news spreads through the media, and how certain news do or do not make it through the media channels. The FBI and the NSA have often been targets of lawsuits and Congressional scrutiny in the past, so they probably have organizational structures to help defend against such scrutiny. This does not automagically imply some sort of big brother conspiracy, but if the resources are there to spin their agenda, I doubt they will say, "well this is not ethical to use for our own purposes ...". Unlike many right wing extremists, I'm not even trying to accuse the FBI or the NSA of deliberately trying to fool the American public for some evil purposes. My belief is that larger and larger secret bureaucracies have a certain behavior which could have the net result of undermining democratic principles, so while it is not the news organizations fault that they may have been taken advantage of, we often have to depend on the news organizations themselves dig themselves out and to counter act this effect. Daniel Patrick Moynihan recently released a book on the topic of secrecy and the effect on bureaucracy, and I was quite impressed by the N Y Times excerpt. By the way, I don't know if you understand why I'm so concerned about this topic, but I do want to clear the basic problems: 1. I am NOT accusing you or TOTN of censoring the wiretap topic. a. All connotations of "censor". 2. I am accusing you and TOTN of censorin the topic of the lack of reporting by main stream media on that specific hour. a. Only the specific mechanical connotation of "censor" which means not putting the topic on the air. b. I am questioning the relevance of some of the calls relative to mine. 1) I will grant that due to the mechanism of pre-screens, that you might not have understood the specific nature of my topic, and might have thought I just wanted to talk about wire taps. c. I will grant that that there are many reasons why stories/items get dropped on the floor, mostly not the evil conspiratorial reasons. I can even imagine a few of these reasons myself. However, a discussion of news organizations and how they decide why one story is dropped and another is put on is worth knowing (that was what I wanted to ask you on the air). On this particular exchange, you might also want to explain how you pick and choose callers on the air. Of course, you cannot put every caller on the air. So how do you choose? Is there a control of flow factor? Doubtful in that particular hour. I am sure there is some attempt to limit the digression of the topics. Is there some intangible mood factor analogous to a club DJ's emotional sync with the dance crowd? Ern

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Human Action Gone
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Mises Institute News" <news(a)mises.org> To: <miseslist(a)mises.org> Subject: Human Action Gone Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:53:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: miseslist-owner(a)mail.mises.org Status: U Thanks to an overwhelming response, our stock of other Human Action editions is now gone. The Scholar's Edition will be available November 23, 1998. This is a re-release of the original, unaltered 1949 treatise that shaped a generation of Austrians and made possible the intellectual movement that is leading the global charge for free markets. Made available for the first time in decades, exclusively through the Ludwig von Mises Institute, this edition uses extraordinary materials and the best of modern technology, combined with ancient standards of craftsmanship in the tradition of Oxford University's Clarendon Press. This magnificent work is produced for the ages. Carefully set in the classic, readable, and beautiful Jansen typeface, including the 1954, 30-page index prepared under Mises's supervision, the most extensive ever compiled; Printed on stunning pure white, acid-free Finch Fine 50 lb. paper; Covered in spectacular dark azure Odyssey cloth from the Netherlands, the finest natural-finish, moisture-resistant book fabric in the world; Protected by a strong slipcase from the famous Old Dominion company, covered in matching Odyssey cloth and featuring old-fashioned thumb-cuts for easy handling; Secured by the finest caliper Binders Board; Graced with antique-stone endpapers from Ecologic Fibers; Casebound with the strongest Smyth-sewn signatures; Fitted at head and foot with silken endbands, thick wrapped for durability; Complimented with a double-faced satin ribbon place marker, and portrait of Mises; Stamped with brilliant, real non-tarnishing gold foil from Japan's Nakai International; Produced at R.R. Donnelly's famed Crawfordsville Bindery, where America's finest books are assembled. All told, The Scholar's Edition looks exactly like the classic work it is, ready for a lifetime (or two) of use. The introduction, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Jeffrey Herbener, and Joseph Salernobased on newly discovered archivestells of the tragic and glorious history of this seminal work, and of its bright future as the manifesto of liberty. Human Action: The Scholar's Edition is the foundation of every library of freedom. You will want a treasured copy in your collection. And if you want to send a copy as a gift to a friend or family member, we'll wrap it appropriately at no charge, and enclose a card in your name. The price for this nine-hundred-page masterpiece is $65. Your credit card will not be charge until the order is shipped. Call 800-636-4737, or order securely through our on-line catalog at www.mises.org --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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IP: Data Encryption and the First Amendment: Pete duPont
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey *I* want some of the 4096 bit encryption! :-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga "My coun-try 'tis of thee, land of plu-to-cracy..." Forbes/duPont 2000 ;-). --- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:06:12 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Data Encryption and the First Amendment: Pete duPont Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Intellectual Capital http://www.IntellectualCapital.com/issues/98/1022/iced.asp Data Encryption and the First Amendment by Pete du Pont October 22, 1998 The microprocessor and the Internet have created an information revolution that is sweeping the globe. This revolution is putting information once available only to the media, political and intellectual elite into the kitchens of ordinary people all across America and opening previously locked cabinets in government, industry and academe. In short, the information revolution is empowering people; it is giving them the tools and the information to make informed choices for themselves. People can more easily exchange information with one another -- buy, sell, discuss and decide among different options. Already, e-mail exceeds regular mail usage by 10-to-1. Forrester Research reports that $8 billion in goods and services were traded over the Internet in 1997; by 2002, 21 million homes will be doing online financial transactions worth $327 billion. Essential to this commercial and personal communication is security. We want to know that our information travels safely, without alteration or eavesdropping, and that there is neither information theft nor identity fraud. Which means that we must encrypt our data, so that only intended parties can access it. A glimpse into the future In the U.S. banking system, for example, just two of the largest fund-transfer systems transmit more than 300,000 electronic fund-transfer messages worth $2 trillion every day. For obvious security reasons, the Treasury Department already requires that all electronic fund transfers be encrypted. For those of us doing commerce at a somewhat smaller order, or simply e-mail or information transfers, security is equally compelling. One of the primary tasks of government is to protect the interests and property of citizens, and in the information and e-commerce age, enhancing the encryption of data to ensure its integrity should be one of our government's priorities. The good news is that encryption technology is galloping forward. What was state of the art a few years ago is now rearview-mirror encryption. Today, 56-bit encryption, with its 72 trillion combinations, is giving way to 128-bit encryption. A Canadian company called Jaws Technology has a new technology with 4,096-bit encryption. Cracking it, its creators say, would require the equivalent of hitting 1,000 consecutive holes in one on the golf course from a 150-yard tee. The bad news is that our government is demanding limits on encryption technology and demanding access to all our encrypted messages -- financial, commercial and ordinary e-mail. The government's efforts began with the Clipper chip in 1993. The Clipper chip would have required encryption users to submit their encryption keys to a government database. It met with such a hail of objections from technical and civil liberties groups that it never came to pass, but the idea lives. The government currently is seeking both the funding of a huge new encryption technology center and the means to access any computer communication individuals might generate. The case against limits on encryption It seems to me that all of this is wrongheaded, that these demands for government access to our computer transmissions are based on three false assumptions. The first is that government can legislate encryption standards. The truth is that encryption technology is moving too rapidly for statutory law to keep up. For example, the National Bureau of Standards at one point decided that the nation should have a single 56-bit key encryption algorithm, an idea almost immediately obsolete as technology went to 128-bit algorithms and higher. Second is the idea that regulation can prevent criminals from acquiring unbreakable encryption. The analogy here is a familiar one: Does anyone believe that gun-control laws -- gun registration or prohibition of ownership, for example -- will keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Similarly, encryption-strength ceilings, key escrow or "trapdoors" in computer programs to allow government access will limit personal and business usage by citizens and slow criminals not at all. The international market is too accessible and its encryption offerings equally or more sophisticated than U.S. technology. Third is the idea that such regulations are cost-free to people using computer technology. Key escrow and trapdoor systems would make encryption for U.S. businesses and individuals less secure, more vulnerable and more easily broken. Weakening the encryption security of American users is a not a policy in the national interest. Forcing information vulnerabilities upon individuals and businesses is weakening national security, not strengthening it. Most egregious in such encryption regulation is the massive invasion of civil liberties it represents. The idea that various government agencies, from the FBI to health-care agencies, the IRS and the Justice Department, will have instant access to our Quicken programs, e-mail and data transmissions is both dangerous and unsettling. Liberty in the 21st century It is not as if the government has a good record regarding individual privacy. President Nixon's FBI tracked its enemies; the Clinton IRS seems to be auditing unfriendly 501(c)(3)s; and some 800 FBI files mysteriously found their way to Craig Livingstone's pizza-and-beer sessions. No doubt there is a unique, it-will-never-happen-again exculpatory reason for these violations of civil liberties. But if the government has the power to intercept and use your data for its purposes, it will do so sooner or later. That is a truth, and no amount of reassurance should lead us to believe otherwise. From Edmund Burke ("people never give up their liberties but under some delusion") to Woodrow Wilson ("the history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it"), Americans have jealously guarded their freedom. The next frontier of free speech will be the technology of encryption. In the 18th century, the First Amendment was essential to guarding free speech. Protecting the empowering technology of data transmission will be just as essential to maintaining liberty in the 21st century. --- Pete du Pont is the editor of IntellectualCapital.com. He is a former Republican governor and congressman from Delaware. His e-mail address is petedupont(a)intellectualcapital.com. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Irony
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:19 PM 10/23/98 +0200, Mok-Kong Shen wrote: >> Dear Friend, > >I don't know the English term but in my native language what is >described is call 'chaining letters', supposed to be a method to >become rich very rapidly. That was illegal, though. In my language we have something called humor, which some taxonomize with terms like irony, sarcasm, wit, etc.

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No Subject
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 6:00 PM -0400 on 10/23/98, Somebody wrote: > This looks like spam, except it is coming from a list regular. > Someone spoofing you? No, actually they aren't. I have no connection with the Von Mises institute, either. However, if you don't want to shell out big bucks for an archival quality version (and help a good cause in the process) you should at least go to your library, and, if they don't have a (not-so spiffy :-)) version of von Mises' _Human Action_ there, you should have them Inter-Library loan it for you. Another great book in the same vein, actually better, as a first read, is Friedrich Hayek's _The Road to Serfdom_. Another famous 50-year old book, pissed upon by statists and leftists for generations, and only now being seen as one of the best economic books of the century. The most recent edition even has a forward by Milton Freidman. (Hayek won the Nobel just like Freidman did, but I don't remember if von Mises did.) Austrian-school economists rule, d00dz. Enjoy! Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNjEADcUCGwxmWcHhAQFn2QgAj8uZUgaJ7FqAPeFw1XAnUW1TNWETzySc ATtgkQvzdfJeeq+ROHlzBWnIdoBFJY3RNfyd9Fj1jgumACWivbFhPP32ZhgBscxM AwCFXmU0FK5Sg2uJNKNxbIkFWFUuGRWib6GCl2dTybM07O5tv10ZaMNHuwNfIwpz TlcoB74CZdBc5MCh1gD0z0p4rzlByzB5e3HxZEDfCyaA/IIckMBvAhrEALktqalW pBIDOJ2/os1MM/zqYq+HaWA27UekRFWWupn0SI+15klH0uEf9ODKMmyoV5oUhtPM pFosbkjqd90dF8mDLeaIVn+2yiJe0A49OHH9NhBc/Wa5MrTzqSaokw== =rOM2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Mildly opinionated rambling on the computer/boardgame flamewar (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:48:37 -0500 > From: "David \"Inky\" Scott" <daves(a)interoz.com> > Subject: Re: Mildly opinionated rambling on the computer/boardgame flamewar > I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can't send a computer to > the corner store for snacks and drinks. Nor can six or seven players > easily cluster around a computer game all at once and be working on > setting up their next turn/movement/etc. Nor is computer gaming a truly > social gathering, which is the primary reason why many of us play these > games. Well *current* games certainly aren't. But that is no indication they must be that way. A good example platform that is currently available is Beowulf Linux. If each player were to ethernet their machines via a hub then they would all in effect be participating in a game equivalent in human interaction to any boardgame. This would allow the concept of distributed game servers. If you're only playing on your machine it's going to be limited. As the number of machines increases the capability goes up as well. Of course it could be done over regular machines without the support in the kernel. Set up an api that provides access to an analog of the 'r' commands in Unix. Then the necessary graphics and sound engines, graphics libraries, rules engine, ai. Change the graphics libraries, rules engine, and ai and you have a completely different game. This would allow two different modes of playfield geometry. One would be where every player has an identical map. Another would be where each player has a different map and they are edge-to-edge according to some algorithm (which wouldn't have to be Cartesian). Have the basic structure of the game be a 3 dimension, time enabled (it has a game clock) array. By changing the scale of the display 'unit cube' play at different levels could be engaged in. When you're networked to other players your local ai might give you hints or suggestions, or the ai's could take on the role of moderator. Maket he basic interface webable and you're ready to go. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ITAR and Codebreaking
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know how ITAR applies to cryptographic source code which can not directly be used to encrypt or decrypt files? Specifically, do we need to do some horrible export-controlled thing for source code which contains a very straightforward reference implementation of DES, and whose output is a file of integers defining a satisfiability problem instantated for a specific plaintext/ciphertext pair? If the answer to this question is "yes," would someone be willing to donate a few meg on an export-controlled crypto site that we could link to? Many thanks. -- Sponsor the DES Analytic Crack Project http://www.cyberspace.org/~enoch/crakfaq.html

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Re: Mildly opinionated rambling on the computer/boardgame flamewar (fwd) (OOOPS...)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for that. My fingers had a mind of their own...;) ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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Big Brother Netscape
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Summary: Netscape's "what's related" is a backdoor for Netscape to monitor your surfing. --forwarded text--------------------------------------------------------- >From "Flemming S. Johansen" <fsj(a)terma.com> on BUGTRAQ(a)netspace.org Starting with version 4.06, the Netscape browser has a new "What's Related?" button next to the Location: field. After having tried it in the new 4.5, I am more than a little worried by the functionality behind it. Briefly, the user clicks on this button, and is presented with a list of sites which are hopefully related to the page currently on display, plus some ads for Netscape. As far as I have been able to deduce (helped by a packet sniffer), this works by opening a HTTP connection to www-rl.netscape.com and making a query modelled on this template: GET /wtgn?CurrentURL/ HTTP/1.0, where CurrentUrl is the URL of the page currently displayed. The server responds with a list of URLs it believe to be related. There are four modes for this function, settable through preferences->navigator->smart browsing: - "Always" The browser always downloads the list of 'related' URLS, beginning while the page in question is loading. - "Never" The browser starts downloading the list of 'related' URLS when the user clicks on the 'What's related?' button. - "After first use" Automatically fetches the URL list for a page if the user has ever clicked the button for that page. - Completely disabled. The default setting is "Always". So, the unsuspecting user who upgrades to the latest Netscape will automatically and unknowingly begin sending out a detailed log of pages viewed. Netscapes privacy statement notwithstanding, I don't like the fact that anyone is able to compile a list of every single web page I visit. I don't like the fact that someone with a sniffer anywhere on the path from here to netscape.com is able to do so either. And the company I work for is not too thrilled about the name of every single document on our internal, not-for-public-viewing web server leaking out on the Net, once our users begin installing this release on their PCs. I would like to control this "feature" globally for my LAN, but as far as I can see, there are only two ways of doing it: Fascist control of Netscape preferences settings on every PC on my LAN, or block www-rl.netscape.com in the firewall. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Flemming S. Johansen fsj(a)terma.com

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Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en
by DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Anonymous wrote: > > Adam Back wrote: > > > That is to say, I suspect that Jim would not have been locked up if he > > > had not a) used false social security numbers, b) not been involved > > > with fake courts, c) not collected IRS employees home addresses, and > > > d) not planted the stink bomb. > > > > And, more importantly, if crypto-anachy and removal of governments > > weren't on the cypherpunk agenda. > ... > It is difficult to tell exactly why Jim was incarcerated because the > IRS people may have alternate motives. However, I suspect Jim Bell's > woes are more to do with involvement with the fake courts, and the use > of real IRS employees names and addresses, which was then taken to be > an immediate threat, taken with the AP rant printout they found in his > car. I presume in reality he just collected the addresses to have the > fake court serve them with some legal documents. I also presume the > reason the IRS first got interested in Jim was due to tax evasion, > and/or fake court documents addressed to IRS agents. The fake court, addresses, AP manifesto are all part of one point being made. There is no threat. Any court can see that (if it doesn't choose not to). And we do have a system of "reasonable doubt". Did fake SS#s alone justify incarceration? Hmmm. Dunno. crypto-anarchy sounds scary, better be safe... > > Toto is more interesting. He seems to have been incarcerated because > he tried to stick up for Jim Bell. What did he do? Set up an AP bot > mockup, put the same IRS employees names, and a judge (I presume the > judge that handled Jim's case) on the page with $ amounts beside them. ... > Also what I am saying is that it makes it hard to defend people if > they have done any number of dumb things which are the ostensible > reason they are locked up. I have no problem with that. I'll defend Jim Bell's AP rants, the use of fake courts and addresses to flesh out the details. Peripheral crimes don't make me ashamed to say "these things here are free speech". I stated a similar view in a post a while ago about Clinton: that peripheral issues are irrelevant. My principle was unpopular then, but I hope it gets more support when looking at Jim/Toto. I'm outraged that mischievous acts would get higher penalty just because these guys believe in the cypherpunk agenda. Or make unpopular speech relating to those beliefs. We also have people who *have* kept their noses clean being harassed. It's an excuse to put some pressure on CDRs. It even had the effect of shaking loose a lot of the Austin cypherpunks in a nice little divide and conquer action. And it's likely they have subpoenaed more people than we've heard from. I just hope they don't subpoena Bill Payne, or we'll receive a copy of it every week for years to come. > > > > Similarly with Toto, the rants would have been ok, without a) the > > > mockup non-functional "bomb" symbolically planted in the court house > > > basement or where-ever it was, b) using real IRS employees, and judges > > > names in his rant (apparently in support of Jim Bell), c) having > > > tourettes syndrome. > > > > The rants are ok anyway. They are clearly metaphors. But the > > prosecutors aren't playing fair. The man is "dangerous". And not > > because he wrote "bomb" in crayon on a cardboard box. But because he > > made waves. Waves that we caught. Waves that the straights and > > sheeple might catch. Correct that. Waves that will upset the straights and sheeple. > > I'd be interested in opinions on why they locked up Toto. The legal > docs John Young obtained and put on up on the web (look at the bottom > of http://www.jya.com cryptome page for `Carl Johnson'), says that it > is because he made a threat. > > What about the following excerpt from the Toto post below could be > construed to constitute a danger, or did Toto get locked up because he > walked right up to the IRS and said "Fuck You", and "here I am come > and get me". The John Gilmore subpoena was focussed exclusively on cypherpunk email. Jim Choate confirmed his is much the same. So the focus is on what we've all seen posted here. Personally, I found them a lot milder than Reeza!'s projection of his suicide fantasies, for instance. > > I have inserted the odd comment. Anyone like to comment on how likely > a case by the IRS based on this post by `Toto' is to stick? The AP > bot mockup I think was clearly not a credible threat, it was > completely non-functional. > > Adam [Toto repost snipped] Well, there's certainly nothing threatening anyone at whitehouse.gov, which explains why they aren't prosecuting. I didn't think there was any credible threat. Even the talk about fighting censorship by acting in MeatSpace could mean he'll talk to people in person if his internet use is compromised. That's the way I read it the first time. If it were a threat, who is it against? At worst you'd have to talk about Toto as having made a public nuisance. He's already served more time than that's worth. Even taking one post out of the Toto stream is misleading. You have to consider the style of writing. Did space aliens really steal his drugs? Or does he speak in metaphor? If Toto's full of shit, you must acquit. The only threat is of cypherpunks against the IRS's relevance.

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17 Dec '03

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