December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Diffie-Hellman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May Tim C. Mayflower's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. .oooO Oooo. ( ) _ _ ( ) \ ( / ) ( \ ) / ----\_)-/ (---) \-(_/---- Tim C. Mayflower ( ) ( ) oooO Oooo

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cypherpunks coding challenge
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A couple of people have complained of the huge efforts put into breaking keys, and of the small efforts invested in cypherpunks code writing of late. Perhaps there is something to this challenge stuff, in terms of getting contributors, neatly tabulating results, working up enthusiasm etc. So... how about a code writing challenge, an award for the best cypherpunk project every month. (No monetary prize, just vote on list to decide most significant project). Perhaps a list of how many lines of code. A hall of fame if you like: % wc -l `find . -name \*.h -print -o -name \*.c -print` Eric Young SSL-eay 101,721 lines PGP Inc pgp30 (?) lines Phil Zimmermann & co pgp263 34,891 lines Peter Gutmann cryptlib200 34,845 lines Tatu Ylonen ssh-1.2.20 33,650 lines Wei Dai crypto++ 2.1 32,831 lines Ian Goldberg Lucre 0.9.0 20,283 lines Colin Plumb bnlib 20,148 lines Matt Blaze & co cryptolib-1.1 19,908 lines Pr0duct Cipher PGPTools 13,062 lines Pr0duct Cipher Magic Money 15,026 lines Ben Laurie Apache-SSL patch 957 lines etc. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Canarypunk: Jim Bell in a coalmine
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Free speech - Unless Govt. doesn't like it >From talltom <"talltom(SPAMBLOCKER)"@ipns.com> Organization Alternate Access Inc. Date Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:23:39 -0700 Newsgroups or.politics Message-ID <33AC8CAB.199F(a)ipns.com> This is in reference to a local, that's being held incommunicado in Tacoma. I've personally tried to contact Jim and the Marshalls office said they'd "try" to get a message to him, wouldn't give me an address, and were REALLY interested in my address. I believe the reason for holding Jim incomunicado is that the ACLU requires that the accused ask them for help, and the feds know that if Jim can't ask he won't get their help. Vin covers the situation nicely... [Vin Suprynowicz column:] In the summer of 1995, 39-year-old electronics engineer Jim Bell of Vancouver, Wash. (coincidentally the scene of the climactic battle between militia and central government forces in Ian Slater's current potboiler paperback "Showdown: U.S.A. vs. Militia,") penned an intriguing and controversial essay called "Assassination Politics," which has since been kicking around various Internet discussion groups, triggering responses from delight to outrage. This section from Mr. Bell's introduction gives the gist: "A few months ago, I had a truly and quite literally 'revolutionary' idea, and I jokingly called it 'Assassination Politics': I speculated on the question of whether an organization could be set up to legally announce that it would be awarding a cash prize to somebody who correctly 'predicted' the death of one of a list of violators of rights, usually either government employees, officeholders, or appointees. It could ask for anonymous contributions from the public, and individuals would be able send those contributions using digital cash. "I also speculated that using modern methods of public-key encryption and anonymous 'digital cash,' it would be possible to make such awards in such a way so that nobody knows who is getting awarded the money, only that the award is being given. Even the organization itself would have no information that could help the authorities find the person responsible for the prediction, let alone the one who caused the death. ... "Obviously, the problem with the general case is that the victim may be totally innocent under libertarian principles, which would make the killing a crime, leading to the question of whether the person offering the money was himself guilty. "(But) my speculation assumed that the 'victim' is a government employee, presumably one who is not merely taking a paycheck of stolen tax dollars, but also is guilty of extra violations of rights beyond this. (Government agents responsible for the Ruby Ridge incident and Waco come to mind.) In receiving such money and in his various acts, he violates the 'Non-aggression Principle' (NAP) and thus, presumably, any acts against him are not the initiation of force under libertarian principles. "The organization set up to manage such a system could, presumably, make up a list of people who had seriously violated the NAP, but who would not see justice in our courts due to the fact that their actions were done at the behest of the government. ..." In a followup essay titled "Fishing Expedition Swims Against the Tide," published in the May 14 edition of the daily Portland Oregonian, Bell wrote, in part: "... I've been openly debating the idea on the Internet since then with anyone who will listen. My essay surprises many and shocks more than a few, but I am pleased that such a truly revolutionary concept has been so well received. Even the Columbian newspaper (www.columbian.com) has decided to add a pointer to the essay. "The only 'threat' in the essay is to the jobs of the people who have been parasites on the rest of us for decades, as well as to the future of tyrannies around the world. But that's why, on April 1, 20 federal agents burst in and took my computer, told the news media I was 'armed and dangerous,' and began engaging in a fishing expedition including harassing people simply for knowing me. (No arrest or charges so far.) ..." The charges were forthcoming. Jim Bell was arrested on Friday, May 16, and has been held ever since, without bond, in the Pierce County Jail in Tacoma, Wash., on a federal complaint which alleges: "Beginning at a time unknown, and continuing to the present, ... JAMES DALTON BELL did corruptly obstruct and impede ... the due administration of the internal revenue laws, among other things, by collecting the names and home addresses of agents and employees of the Internal Revenue Service ('IRS') in order to intimidate them in the performance of their official functions; by soliciting others to join in a scheme known as 'Assassination Politics' whereby those who killed IRS employees would be rewarded; by using social security account numbers that were not assigned to him to hide his assets and thereby impede the IRS's ability to collect his unpaid taxes, and by contaminating the area outside of the office of the IRS in Vancouver, Washington, with mercaptan, a chemical that causes a powerful odor." Nor does the complaint stop short with an alleged "stink bomb" floor mat, proceeding to allege that Mr. Bell has at times discussed poisoning water supplies, sabotaging government computers, and, well ... "overthrowing the Government of the United States." The question here would appear to be whether Mr. Bell has actually taken substantive steps, as alleged, to "implement" the theory in his speculative Internet essay, or whether it is the IRS -- who since Feb. 20 have seized the heretofore non-violent Mr. Bell's car, wages and bank accounts (presumably stymying at the very last minute his plan to "overthrow the Government of the United States") -- who are doing the "threatening and intimidating," in an attempt to send a message to anyone who dares speculate about how justice might ever be obtained against federal agents ... given that they are rarely if ever indicted, even for the willful murder of children, as at Waco and Ruby Ridge. If the defendant Bell has indeed taken substantive steps to set in motion the murder of any specific government agent, that of course is a crime, for which he should expect to face the consequences. On the other hand, if writings of the "what if someone ..." variety have now become a felony so serious that one can be seized and held without bond, most of America's adventure and science fiction writers -- who up till now have felt safe spinning thinly-veiled yarns about near-future government coups and such -- had better watch their backsides. Mr. Bell's attorney, Peter Avenia of the Public Defenders Office in Tacoma, says he fully expects Mr. Bell to be indicted by a federal grand jury within the next few weeks. I asked Mr. Avenia if he believes the case will present substantive First Amendment questions. "It certainly does concern me." Is the IRS making an example of Mr. Bell, to chill any further discussions on the Internet of how justice can ever be had in the case of uniformed killers who apparently need no longer fear being indicted or brought to trial in this country? "It's certainly a possibility. In the context of the Oklahoma City bombing it's certainly a hostile atmosphere for any such defendant. I think we can certainly ask whether the government is trying to send a message to people who pen inflammatory writings." Defense attorney Avenia can be reached at the Federal Public Defenders Office, 1551 Broadway, Suite 501, Tacoma, Wash. 98402. The essay "Assassination Politics" is available on the Internet at http://jya.com/ap.htm. The current federal complaint against Mr. Bell can be found at http://jya.com/jimbell3.htm Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/ *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com Voir Dire: A French term which means "jury stacking."

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Decrypting DES
by Wasim Q. Malik 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks, here is a project I am working on. Need your help with it as it is really important. You know we often encrypt files using a key (the DES way -- won't talk about RSA here). Examples are the UN*X "crypt", the MS-Office "Save with password" option, and lots of other ciphers using this alorithm. Take a text file, for instance. You provide a key and the file is encrypted using that key, and can be decrypted only if that key is known. It involved only one key/password. Now I was wondering whether we could somehow fool this encryption system to get to the encrypted material without using the key. It could possibly be done in many ways: * The key has to be stored somewhere in the file, in whatever form, with which the entered key is compared. It could somehow be gotten hold of from there. Perhaps a hex editor could be used to scan the first few bytes of a file for the key. * The decryption algorithm/source could be modified to give access even for a bad password. * During the process that the decryptor asks for the input of the key, we could somehow break out of the routine and bypass it to get to the contents of the file. Do you have any ideas about how this could be done? Or is it even possible theoretically? Any other workarounds you can think of? Au revoir, Wasim Q. Malik

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Announcement from Tim at P.E.E.L.
by putpeel＠putpeel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Party on IRC
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <3.0.2.32.19970621023432.0077a4ac(a)popd.ix.netcom.com>, on 06/21/97 at 02:34 AM, Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> said: >>Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> writes: >>>Is there an encrypted IRC available? >>>If not, shouldn't there be? >>>Is such a thing even possible? >You'd have to think about what you wanted it to do, >but it should be quite doable. IRC is normally for sharing >conversations between an amorphous, changing bunch of people, which isn't >really a standard thing to do with crypto. >But I can see several basic models: >0) Just Speak Finnish :-) >1) Two-person, with Diffie-Hellman key exchange >2) N-person shared-key - you'd probably use RSA to give the session key >to each new participant, or use PGP to do it. >3) N person, one key per sender, shared as above. >4) Ignore the application layer, and build the crypto as an IPsec tunnel. >5) Ignore the IRC protocols, and build a similar conversation server >using web forms and SSL. Hi Bill, I have been doing somthing much simpler for providing an encrypted IRC. Say you have a group of 5-10 crypto-anarchsist who wish to engage in a secure coversation. 1 of the group runs ircd & sshd on his machine (perferabley the one with the fastest machine/and or best connection). The rest of the group logs into his machine using irc & ssh clients. All communication is encrypted to the outside world while in "plain text" to the group. The best part of this is it requires no modification to the "off the shelf" software available. Unfortunatly ssh is not very well known outside the Unix community. There is an exelent port for OS/2 (freeware) and there is a port to winxx (shareware) I don't know if a mac port is available. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM60xGY9Co1n+aLhhAQGMKQQAj0x8wIofs/xXUSUtL9yv8BhfiILNElK/ lkVHmMYe84fG9mokkvxQXd90C/AXW5AzX5vSoSrF49DK+5+zMhYv/BKJq3WoT/r2 iNr1gLtpDP3hMY0OGbEdJMf3qXaX+7n8Uqgenzqj8HaiNUCpst2LCVX39I00gFlq mnzO5BZ+W1w= =HdWI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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A Brief History of Cryptography
by Russell Nelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ I'm not on the list. Replies cc'ed to me. Public domain ] Once upon a time, the average citizen did not have access to locks. The U.S. Government had locks, and agencies to control them: the FBL, the CLA, and the NLA. They even knew that other governments had locks, but they also knew that those governments denied locks to their citizens, so the whole lock business was cartelized. However, the need for locks could not be denied, so the NLA was chartered to create locks for U.S. citizens. It created a lock, but didn't explain how the lock worked. Some people showed that the lock might be pickable by the NLA, although they couldn't pick it themselves. Some people thought that the extra wards in the lock were there to give the NLA a master key. But none of it could be proved, so people used the standard lock. As the society got wealthier, people had more things they needed to lock up. This created more incentive for lock creation, and citizens started to invent them. Some locks were sham locks and could be picked with a hairpin, or a skeleton key. Other locks were understandably difficult to pick, and came to be preferred to the NLA-approved standard lock. The NLA (and FBL and CLA) feared these locks that they hadn't devised and probably couldn't pick. So they proposed a scheme whereby they would create a new standard lock, which had an explicit master key. Naturally, this was viewed as a step backwards by people used to the standard lock, which they believed couldn't be opened by anyone but the key-holder. This lock design was opposed by nearly everyone. So they proposed a new lock standard, whereby everyone had to have a copy of their key registered with the NLA. This also was perceived as unworkable for the same reason as the master key system. In the meantime, of course, people were using these new citizen-created locks, which were widely thought to be strong. They expected no less of the NLA lock design, particularly since the NLA standard lock has been proven to be pickable. How will this story end? No one knows yet. Will the NLA seek to ban strong locks? Or will the NLA lose all its control over citizen locking? Time will tell.... -- -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software sells network driver support | PGPok | good luck, have fun! 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | taxes feed the naked Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | and clothe the hungry.

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Re: how to `go underground' (was Re: The Global Fix is In)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706221002.LAA06654(a)server.test.net>, on 06/22/97 at 11:02 AM, Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> said: >Perhaps someone can have a go at adding this to PGP3.x, once Stale has >finished scanning the source code books, and has posted the source. >Also, I hear that PGP3.x has support for RSA keys, but won't generate >them? Perhaps we can add that back in also. I believe that it is only the freeware PGP 5.0 from the MIT site that has RSA key generation disabled. The commercial version should be able to generate both key formats. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM609+49Co1n+aLhhAQHjjQQAw/euyv+RsR/PPUBiG4+Ou7BlXrriq0AI 1L8kiDgsndAX+5nnNxItM8P9iy0ALZolShztS/UL4ppaCGKBfcsmZy8gFRvfXii2 DLZ8TQdzFUwmomqIGZZIMo4JQYOzEbB+kqg6gWxW7AnbURKVHXW1md2rreSBy0k9 uZU5pD26cC0= =rSmJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: spam on this list
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Philip A. Mongelluzzo wrote: > > > Twenty seven years ago I took an oath to do whatever was needed to > > protect and defend the constitution against all enemies (domestic > > and foreign) Yeah, I took one, too. You think spam is an enemy? HAH! > > But > > what is the solution to this problem from a parents point of view? > > Simple - control the material. What is the problem from a non-parent (by choice) point of view? Simple: control your fucking kids! That's the number one problem in the USofA today. Parents let their fucking kids run wild. Mom works, Dad works, Kids are free all day to cause trouble, and send spam. Spam is free speech! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Liberating PGP 5.0 Source Code the Old-Fashioned Way
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 AM -0700 6/24/97, Lucky Green wrote: >At 02:08 AM 6/24/97 -0700, Mark Grant wrote: >>It's kind of hard to modify the code when I'm still waiting for the PGP >>5.0 code to be made available. I can't do a lot until people finish >>OCR-ing it. > >Note that the scanning teams are looking for non-US volunteers to proofread >the scanns. Each volunteer gets 100 pages. They must have access to a box >with perl and a C compiler to process the per-page error correcting code. >You *don't* need a scanner. A lot of work that could better be spent in other areas. Why doesn't one of the many persons with access to the PGP 5.0 code already in machine readable form just mail it to the group doing the scanning and whatnot? (Using remailers, obviously. And even making it look like a porno image file. Whatever. Even easier: just put the source code CD-ROM in an envelope and mail it to Norway. "Duh.") This would shorten the process, and the Norwegian group could announce "We're done!!!" So, PGP employees, do it today. (Or send me the source on CD-ROM.....) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: spam on this list
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 23 Jun 97 at 11:26, Jason William RENNIE wrote: > NO i dont wish to post any, i just want to know if this list has > spam sent to it ?? I started reciveing various pieces in the last > couple of days and i'm trying to identify the source. Spam *is* free speech, you know. <g> Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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http:--cnnfn.com-digitaljam-9706-23-netbiz-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DIGITAL AlphaServer Systems [INLINE] Digital Jam [INLINE] Big Brother brouhaha Privacy concerns lead on-line marketers to try softer approaches June 23, 1997: 11:08 a.m. ET [LINK] [INLINE] Archenemies join hands - June 11, 1997 FTC tackles privacy - June 10, 1997 [IMAGE] Federal Trade Commission TRUSTe NEW YORK (CNNfn) - There's an Internet argument going on. [INLINE] On one side are people who want to surf the Net in peace, free from the "spam" and insidious snooping of those anxious to make a quick buck. [INLINE] On the other side are businesses looking to take advantage of the Internet's promise as a vehicle for reaching specific customers cheaply and efficiently. [INLINE] Can the two sides coexist? Or will privacy advocates succeed in driving cyber-hawkers off line? [INLINE] Unlikely, experts say. That's because online companies are starting to use other marketing tools that make people worry less about Big Brother. [INLINE] The issue has heated up lately. Privacy rights groups are alarmed about the potential for abuse with junk e-mail and other invasive technology. In response, the Federal Trade Commission is probing whether marketers are snooping too much. [INLINE] The industry, meanwhile, is coming up with its own solutions to prevent lawmakers from stepping in. [INLINE] Experts say most of the practices raising eyebrows aren't much different from what's been happening off-line for years. Yet other analysts concede there is danger in an age where extensive personal information is available with the press of a key. [INLINE] "Consumers don't like to be shoulder-surfed when they're online," said Kate Delhagen, a senior analyst with Forrester Research Inc. in Cambridge. "(But) this is not a deal-breaker for the Web. The Web is alive and well and will continue to thrive. These little bombs will continue to go off, and they'll continue to be fixed." [INLINE] Besides e-mail, or "spamming," some marketers use browser technology to find out where a user has been on the Net or track him when he leaves a site by following his electronic footprints. Companies are also selling information on databases. [INLINE] "It's as if they can shadow you on the Web," said Susan Scott, executive director of TRUSTe, a non-profit organization of 50 companies whose mission is to promote trust in online commerce. [INLINE] Dan Miller, senior editor with The Web Magazine in San Francisco, thinks junk e-mail and the other practices aren't central to doing business online. [INLINE] "You can do business online without violating someone's privacy," Miller said. [INLINE] Instead of flooding people with junk e-mail, or "spam," some companies such as Amazon.com ask users if they want to be notified about new products, Miller said. That puts the control in the hands of the users, he said. [INLINE] In other cases, companies are creating new partnerships, like the one between Border books and Salon, an online Arts magazine, Miller said. At the end of Salon's book reviews is a link to Border so people can order the book. [INLINE] Experts said the disputed methods do work - but at the risk of alienating customers. [INLINE] "People universally hate spam," said Evan Schwartz, author of "Webonomics" and a contributing editor to "Wired" magazine. Smart Web sites treat customers respectfully by avoiding mass e-mailing or selling information from lists, he said. [INLINE] Scott said spamming is more widespread among smaller companies because it's so cheap - pennies for each e-mail address compared to a few dollars for each name in direct mail. [INLINE] "It's a numbers game - the more you send out, the more response you get," Scott said. The method has about a 1 percent return. [INLINE] Sanford Wallace, founder and president of Cyber Promotions, the largest bulk e-mail company in the country, insists the practice doesn't violate privacy. But he helped organize the Internet E-Mail Marketing Council to promote ethical standards. The council has a central address where people can get their names removed from all mass e-mailers. [INLINE] While the new standard might mean the loss of huge numbers of customers, "there are still millions and millions left," Wallace said. [INLINE] Tracking has been effective to help marketers find out about a person's interests so they can target ads, Scott said. If a person visits gardening sites, for example, a vendor can flash banner ads on the topic. [INLINE] "People don't understand the technology and there's a lot of anxiety about it," Scott said. "There's so much bad press that it's past the point of educating the consumer." [INLINE] Controversy about tracking was so heated two archrivals, Microsoft Corp. and Netscape Communications Corp., recently proposed a common standard so users can control how much information is available about themselves. [INLINE] Experts say selling information from databases isn't much different from what's been happening in the catalogue business. [INLINE] "That type of thing happens all the time," said Don Heath, president and chief executive of the Internet Society, a non-profit organization of 8,000 individuals and organizations. [INLINE] Eight information companies, including LEXIS-NEXIS, recently adopted guidelines to protect personal information like Social Security numbers on databases. [INLINE] Scott argued that most online companies still rely on traditional advertising. [INLINE] "These (disputed) methods haven't been widespread," Scott said. "Even Yahoo goes on TV to tell people to get on the Web. To reach the mass market, you have to go through traditional means." [INLINE] Scott thinks the uproar about electronic privacy will force people to think about the issue off-line, too. People have resigned themselves to getting piles of junk mail and catalogues, for example. [INLINE] "People had given up trying to protect their privacy, but this will make them think about it again," Scott said. Link to top [INLINE] -- Martine Costello [INLINE] quote box [INLINE] - Kate Delhagen [INLINE] Wallace photo [INLINE] Sanford Wallace doesn't think bulk e-mail violates privacy home | digitaljam | contents | search | stock quotes | help Copyright © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm reading a book, "Who Will Tell the Truth" with some very clear insights into How it All Works. The bottom line is the Bottom Line and the reason the crypto debate is going this way is due to exactly one thing: Money. I know there are those amongst this readership who feel that there is no place for the usual political process in dealing with the crypto issues, but that's not a universal or a given, nor is it necessarily practical in the long run. But within the existing structure the missing component in the debate is the active participation of a lot of dollars. The weight of Micro$osft + Netscape + (name your favorite list) is miniscule, and their players woefully inexperienced, compared to McDonnell D., G.E. Fed., TRW., Lock/Martin, IBM, and others who stand to gain hugely from a Federally-mandated and controlled PKI. Those heavyweights are all drinking buddies with the other Washington sorts who are in search of ever-expanding missions in life, and the result is a coterie who's primary interest isn't even remotely concerned with Child Pornography, Money Laundering, etc. but their own aggrandizement measured in personal and corporate dollars. There are no doubt massive investments being made by Industry in the conservative thinktanks who produce the intellectual fodder-de-jour that supports the position of this elite, and overwhelm the likes of McCain and Kerrey with impossible-for-the-legislature-to-understand managed "information" which boils it all down to the 4 Horsemen arguments. What's necessary here is a knowledgeable application of the same techniques, a coalition organization comprised of large business interests with an awareness of how Bad this all is, competing on the same turf. Noble anarchist or Constitutional arguments, whining about our Rights and such, are insignificant and irrelevant to the players. Who will belly up to the bar and provide leadership on terms that will truly be effective? ======================================================= At 10:16 AM 6/21/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > >The "Meeting of the Eight," formerly the G7, is happening in Denver. >Listening to what's coming out of it, it's apparent that the Four Horsemen >are front and center. Clinton is speaking of a network of banking and >communications policy coordinators, to detect and halt drug dealing, money >laundering, and nuclear terrorism. > >This fits with the details of reports about global wiretapping efforts, >about joint intelligence activities, and, of course, with the OECD/GAK laws >being proposed, passed, and about to be signed into law about "Key >Recovery" and "Trusted Third Parties." > >The fix is in. > >It probably won't be long before Stronghold is barred for export from >either Britain or RSA (the other one); both Tony Blair and Nelson Mandela >are Friends of Bill, so a few phone calls should take care of that little >problem. (And Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are part of the >global wiretap agreement, so I rather doubt free export of PGP 5.x code out >of Norway will be feasible, despite the OCR effort now underway there.) > >(Not that Clinton will mention Stronghold to Blair...that's far too much >microdetail. Jimmy Carter might have gotten involved at that level, but not >Bill. Details will be left to underlings.) > >The call to Japan, probably the visit by David Aaron, stopped NTT's plans >for exporting the RSA chip. > >Anguilla and other "offshore" havens, will be subject to the same kinds of >pressure. Mark my words. > >It's not hopeless. Physical havens are vulnerable, to all sorts of >pressures (I doubt many cryptographers want to set up shop in Libya or >Iraq, not that these places would be hospitable to Cypherpunks sorts of >goals and methods). > >Going underground, using the untraceable features of cyberspace, may be the >last, best hope. > >--Tim May > >There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. >Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > > >

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Ownership of McCain
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was suggested that I look a little at McCain, so here is a dribble; I think it's instructive to see the following PAC's on McCains feedlist. Anyone who thinks that these Co.'s won't profit tremendously in the deployment of a Federally-designed and mandated PKI is taking the wrong drugs ..... (note: obviously these figures are meaningless in terms of actual $$$ amounts. They only serve to indicate that real soft money is flowing from the same source.) 4,000 05/03/95 AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 2,500 02/14/95 ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (AKA) APA PAC 2,500 11/17/95 ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (AKA) APA PAC 1,000 02/27/95 AMERICAN AIRLINES POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 100 03/29/95 AMERICAN SUPPLY ASSOCIATION PAC 500 02/02/95 BDM INTERNATIONAL, INC. POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (BDM-PAC) 500 03/01/95 BP AMERICA PAC >>>> 1,000 02/06/95 CIVIC ACTION FUND - LORAL SYSTEMS GROUP (FKA GOODYEAR AEROSPACE CORP PAC) 2,000 05/11/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" 1,000 09/18/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" 3,000 09/18/95 FEDERAL EXPRESS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE "FEPAC" >>>> 1,000 01/16/95 MARTIN MARIETTA CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 03/13/95 MARTIN MARIETTA CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 02/17/95 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS EMPLOYEES' POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 1,000 08/17/95 PMAA/SMALL BUSINESS COMMITTEE 1,000 02/10/95 PODIATRY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE >>>> 1,000 03/11/95 RAYTHEON COMPANY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 1,000 02/22/95 SVGGS FUND 1,000 03/14/95 TALLEY INDUSTRIES, INC, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (TALLEY-PAC) 1,000 02/23/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 100 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 3,550 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 350 03/14/95 UNITED PARCEL SERVICE POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (UPSPAC) 31,100

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Assault on Pornography
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since the U.S. legislature is so concerned about child pornography and the government is interested in promoting world-wide enforcement of laws meant to fight evil, I was wondering about the following scenario: Manuel Noriega sends pictures on the internet to Iraq of women with their ankles showing and their heads uncovered. Iraq sends an armed force to the U.S. to capture Noriega and take him to Iraq for trial. Sure, a few thousand U.S. troops and citizens might die, but it is for the greater good, right? Scenario Two: Bill Clinton sends a picture on the internet to Iraq of Hillary, with her ankles showing and her head uncovered... TruthMonger

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McCain's War for Security
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New York Times Magazine had a feature story on Senator McCain a week or two ago which covered in detail his personal, military and political history and his heroic struggle to meet the high standards set by his admiral father, the Navy and individual ethics. His long imprisonment by the North Vietnamese due to a refusal to be released as the well-known son of a prominent admiral was cited as an example of his duty to to put national interests above his own. This iconic treatment of a national hero is worth pondering for the way it reveals what Tim calls "the fix is in." The imposition of protective measures often occurs through those with impeccable credentials, especially by appealing to the ones who believe that their special role is to rise above ordinary struggles and dispense exceptional wisdom, fairness and justice. The question on McCain is: has he been sold on the threat to national security of cryptography by appealing to his deep patriotism, his belief in a special duty to protect the nation, to fight its "war" with the day's enemies. Such feeding of grandiloquence is historical practice of the Richlieus running the government, raiding the till, commanding the academies, distributing authorizations to placate antsy kings-in-queue. The cariacature of this are "banana republics" where military and political saviors justify coups in the name of the "public interest," or "the people," fairly well in accord with threats to authority. Military, naval and governmental academies worldwide teach this belief in the special duty of public servants, notwithstanding the evidence that some graduates reap the not-so-public rewards. As amply displayed in S.936, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 1998, the perennial US banana republic raid on the till. Read it to see who McCain thinks are the nation's enemies and protectors and who are the supreme judges of both. What's not as well publicized about leadership academies of all kinds is that they also teach (and practice) the Machiavellian wisdom of most stringent laws and harshest enforcement for challenges to the authority to govern, to tax, to command, to rule. To assure "national security" for those who thrive on it.

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Dirty hands kill more people (80K/yr) than guns (FWD)
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This needed to be shared... Expect government hand escrow any day now. From: aib(a)col.hp.com (Allan Best) Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,al t.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics .libertarian,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,alt.law-enforcement Subject: Re: Dirty hands kill more people (80K/yr) than guns Date: 17 Jun 1997 20:18:00 GMT Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division ec Roberts (armed_and_safe(a)technologist.com) wrote: : On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:00:03 +0900, Jason Gottlieb : <zj5j-gttl(a)asahi-net.or.jp> wrote: : {snip} : >The #1 murder weapon is a hand with a handgun in it. : > : The #1 murder weapon is a hand. This is so, : regardless of the tool in that hand. : Bob The obvious solution is to register all hands. Hands must be kept away from children. To protect children, a hand shall not be transported to within 1000 yards of any school, playground or daycare facility. All concealed carry hands must be registered. Concealed carry is banned in all government facilities, especially US Post Offices, and all public buildings including, but not limited to airports, bus stations, train depots and taxi stands. Furthermore, there shall be a 15-day waiting period and a background check before the purchase of any legal hand can be completed. Anyone caught with an unregistered hand shall have that hand immediately confiscated and be liable to a fine and/or imprisonment. The ownership of fully-automatic hands, assault hands, ugly hands, or cop-killer gloves is expressly forbidden. : > : >-- : >Jason Gottlieb : >Homepage goodies: Japanese SDF info, USA : > gun control info, travellogues, and more! : >http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl : **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** : **** www.ivic.net/~ecr **** --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: The spam thread
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 24 Jun 97 at 9:45, Jason William RENNIE wrote: > Anyway shall we let this thread die at this point ?? I've tried. But I am eternally pulled back in. Sometimes at the first post, sometimes later. As long as people have promiscuous mail boxes they will get spam, use a filter, use your delete key. Denial of service attacks are destructive and unproductive. Die, Spam thread, Die! Out, spot, out! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Bomb-making instructions....
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The latest crime for which Senator Diane Swinestein has earned the [CENSORED] is her "bomb-making instructions on the Internet are illegal" bill. But I have a question. Does this mean CNN will face prosecution if it publishes the transcripts of the McVeigh case? Keith Henson, an explosives enthusiast since the early 1960s, was describing to us last night at a Silicon Valley party just how accurate the instructions were in the transcripts of the McVeigh trial, as the experts pointed out the steps needed to make the liquid explosive "Astrolight" (or "Astrolite"). Keith pointed out that most of the "lay" reports had repeated some of the usual lay errors about ammonium nitrate and fuel oil bombs, but that the full court transcript "got it right" on the conversion of the precursors to the more effective liquid form. It was Keith who raised the issue of the Swinestein bill making publication of court transcripts a crime...sort of collides with the notion of open trials.... (This party was a regular plotting opportunity...we figured out just how big a Ryder truck has to be to hold the "ergs" needed to take down some targets that sorely need taking down...all in theory, you understand.) We need to hold a trial for this bitch. Then a quick trip to the firewall. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes. > Below is a explanation of the meaning of cryptographic key sizes which > started as an explanation I wrote for a journalist friend of mine, on > being asked about how relatively secure a system using DES and RSA > (SET) was as compared to netscapes export version of SSL. > It could use some criticism. If you are not that crypto aware, does > it make sense to you? If you are crypto aware, what do you think of > my off the cuff estimates of hardness? > > > 56 bit DES is probably roughly similar to 512 bit RSA in hardness to > break. This is way off. We used ~457,000 MIPS years to search half of the DES keyspace. Factoring a 512 bit modulus using the General Number Field Sieve (GNFS) would take about 28,000 MIPS years (see Schneier for the exact number - I don't have AC2 at hand) Lenstra has estimated that with 500,000 MIPS years, you should be able to factor a 600 bit modulus using GNFS, if your workstations had enough memory. [...] > About 10 years ago now Michael Wiener made a design for such a DES > breaking machine. He estimated it would cost $10,000,000 to build a > machine which would break a 56 bit DES encrypted message a few hours. > His machine was scalable, pay more money, break the key faster, pay > less take longer. The estimate was that could build one with enough > DES key searching units to break it in a day for $1,000,000. That was > 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. > Nowadays you build the machine more cheaply as chip technology has > progressed, and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around > $100,000 to build the machine (neglecting hardware engineers > consultancy fees). Go back and check the numbers - if you don't the journalists will. (I don't have this paper to hand either :-( ) The Wiener paper is much more recent (93?) , and the cost much lower (I think it was about $1M for HW and $500K for development costs, for a 3.5 hour machine). Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Digital Commerce *is* Financial Cryptography, > Financial Cryptography *is* Strong Cryptography, > therefore, > Digital Commerce *is* Strong Cryptography. > and, therefore, > No Strong Cryptography, no Digital Commerce. Why can't escrowed ecash support digital commerce? Strong crypto with a government backdoor. That's what you're offered. Prove it can't work. Anon

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Child Porn 2 [JPG]
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is the same Time-Life child pornography encrypyted with the public keys of even more co-conspirators in the cypherpunks list child porno ring. 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CP uses for the PGP 5.0 source
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

With the on-line availability of PGP 5.0 source code expected any day, perhaps the group should consider what CP goals can now be made practical. Hopefully, PGP will not object to CP uses. I submit the following as CP projects which could be substantially eased by the source code: EMAIL PLUG-INS PGP 5.0 contains some very good code examples for creating email plug-ins for Microsoft Exchange for Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0, Microsoft Outlook for Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0, Eudora Pro/Light for Windows 95, Windows NT 4.0, Macintosh, Claris Emailer for Mac only. For cross-platform ease, I suggest we tackle the Eudora emailers, which have a well defined API, first. 1. Remailer: One reason remailers haven't been as popular as we've hoped is the need to operate separate, sometime difficult to use, remailer client software. By integrating these and other functions into plug-ins, creation of persistant identities and integration with key generation and management can be simplified. 2. Digital postage: CPs can gain the high-ground in the battle for handling the SPAM problem by offering plug-ins which enforce restrictions on incoming mail using digital postage. Two postage approaches have been discussed on the CP lists: ecash and hashcash. I suggest that the plug-ins offer both d-postage forms. Hashcash is eligent in its simplicity and its lack of a required central clearing facility. Hascash-based d-postage could also seed the development of commercial distributed computing Net industry, as SPAMers elect to purchase hashcash rather than generating it themselves-the idea isn't to eliminate SPAM, just place it on similar economic footing with junk snailmail. Adam Back has already done a considerable amount of investigation of ways to implement hascash (See http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/hashcash/) ECash could really supply an economic shot in the arm for remailers, making possible commercial (read profitable) remailers. It will also offer a ready-made market for accountless ecash, which will be available soon. Jeremey Barrett's higher level ecash API should greatly simplify ecash integration. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

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Re: New PGP signatures
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.SOL.3.96.970623055041.2746A-100000(a)sirius.infonex.com>, on 06/23/97 at 05:53 AM, Mark Grant <mark(a)unicorn.com> said: >Could I humbly request that people don't post the new (SHA?) PGP >signatures to the list for the time being as it's a pain in the ass for >those of us outside the US who don't yet have the ability to read them. >PGP 2.6.x error handling doesn't know what to do with them and it breaks >our mail-processing code. Hi Mark, You really need to modify your mail-processing code as you are going to see more and more of these. You should also start work on implementing the PGP/MIME RFC as you will be seeing more of these messages. Nothing personal but your code should not "break" on any data that is sent to it. PGP 2.6.x doen't have a problem with these signatures it just returns a error code and goes on it's way. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM660l49Co1n+aLhhAQHZEQP+MGX87jPWCO3VZMZG4Pt0R0sgFSSc6N+I 7/3w1QSxJomyd6jt9SUuyKsLMMC5UY7HCC71CHVyp2Aqm4N7Q8ratNC+WMxVPO3z 1DTNM4GYOnZmwdTMgowIPhb0Cfstd4Z+KXlr0jR5pE1Kni6+r3LBG7+jVv+Im6BY SlizRYaent0= =YBoc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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