December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> > Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill > The United States is not a pure democracy, it is a constitutional > republic. I believe I have a constitutional right to privacy. I also > believe that I probably have a constitutional right to anonymity. It > doesn't matter what "most senators" think, or indeed what "most Americans" > think, if their thinking is contradicted by the Constitution. We do not > have simple majority rule, here. In fact the founders of the country went > out of their way to insure that the simple majority could not easily > violate the principles upon which the country was founded. Actualy with the wording of the 9th and 10th you as a citizen are reserved ANY right you choose and the benefit of the doubt goes to you, the citizen. For the government to prove their side they MUST demonstrate a constitutional mandate. Also notice the heirarchy of prohibition detailed in the 10th. The people are NOT mentioned at all. In effect it says that the final say in ANY discusssion of federal powers versus citizen rights falls to the people since only they are specificaly NOT mentioned as a party the Constitution even has the power to prohibit. ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. [ This in effect says that my rights as a citizen are not limited by those that may be listed explicity in the Constitution. In effect an admission that my rights as a citizen, or even as a human being, are not limited by the Constitution by explicit intent of the authors.] ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. [ The powers which are not assigned to the federal government by the Constitution OR prohibited in respect to the states falls to the states (acting per their own individual constitutions as the deciding factor within their borders) and if not covered in the state constitution then to the poeple to decide (assuming a popular vote). It is critical to note that no explicit limit is placed on the issues decidable by the people, a difference explicitly pointed out with the federal and state governments.] [The first ten amendments went into effect on 15 December 1791.] A perfect non-crypto example is the current brew-haha over assisted suicide and a Constitutional right to die. The question is not whether I have a right to kill myself (assisted or otherwise). The 9th clearly states that just because a right I might claim is not listed does not mean I don't have it. Now the 10th says that if the federal government wants to control it they must show a delegation of authority in the Constitution. So, despite what the esteemed Supremes may think the question is not "Does the Constitution allow a citizen to do this?" which is what they announced as their 'first' question but rather, " does the Constitution delegate the authority to decide when or how a citizen may die?" If not then each individual state should decide the issue until or if an amendment can be passed. Should individual states not cover such decisions in their own constitutions then the poeple decide the issue individualy until a vote can be arranged. The problem with our current operation is that we don't have enough plebicites. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: HOT Summer IN White House
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

the New Yoahkah just ran a piece on the gfriend-o-Brown. Quite worth a read. Most of the first paragraph below seems sort of lifted from that article. At 09:42 AM 6/20/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > >This item is one of many such articles outlining the corruptions within >Washington. Some of these corruptions are huge, and go far beyond simple >pork-barreling. On a level with Watergate, it seems to many of us. > >I don't usually forward items from "talk.politics.crypto," as I assume >many of you are already reading it. But this particular item fits with the >"Washington as crime capital in more ways than one" them I've been >hitting. > >Look especially for how favors were granted for high tech exports. > >--Tim > >> From: softwar(a)us.net (SOFTWAR) >> Newsgroups: >talk.politics.crypto,alt.politics.org.nsa,alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.politics .cia,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.datahighway,talk.politics.misc,alt.po litics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican >> Subject: HOT Summer IN White House >> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:35:29 GMT > >> >> It's going to be a long hot summer for the Clinton >> administration. >> >> Wednesday night ABC Primetime did a special on Ron Brown's >> girlfriend. The accusations flying around the dead Secretary >> of Commerce do not bode well for the living inside the Beltway. >> First, it seems that Ron acquired an offshore bank account with >> nearly a million dollars deposited for him by the Government of >> Vietnam. Vietnam wanted to normalize trade relations with the >> US and bribing the top dog at Commerce certainly helped grease >> the skids. Vietnam got their trade deal but Brown found out >> that the FBI knew about his bank account. So he could not touch >> the money. The bribery accusation is collaborated by an >> ex-Vietnamese official who has also turned his evidence over to >> the FBI. Mr. Brown's girlfriend plans to testify before both >> the Senate and the House committees investigating wrongdoing in >> the Clinton administration. >> >> Another revelation which should come as no shock is that the >> First Lady put John Huang in the Commerce Department. This >> demand apparently did not sit well with Mr. Brown, who, >> according to his girlfriend, did not like Mrs. Clinton. It >> seems that Ron's strong personality ran smack head on into >> Hillarys demanding attitude. Yet, he bent over backward and >> made sure that Huang was hustled into his government position, >> complete with a secret clearance. Once Huang entered the >> Commerce Department strange events really started to pop up. >> The Commerce Department initially denied Huang had access to >> anything important. It is now known that Huang attended dozens >> of secret CIA briefings. Huang is alleged to have discussed >> secret materials with his former employers at the Lippo group. >> The allegations come from material obtained by taps on Huang's >> Commerce Department telephone. >> >> Can the same be said for Ira Sockowitz? >> >> No. Ira Sockowitz was placed into his Commerce position >> directly and personally by President Clinton. It was Ira >> Sockowitz who ran Ron Borwn's airline seating arrangements, >> between working on government affairs. Whenever Mr. Brown would >> fly on a government sponsored trade trip - Ira would line up big >> Corporate powers to ride along on the party plane. Mr. >> Sockowitz had more experience as a DNC fund-raiser than security >> software. Despite this lack of technical skills Mr. Sockowitz >> entered the field of banking security software at Commerce. It >> is the Commerce Department which approves or denies export of >> such financial software. The amount of money involved, invested >> and possible returns, are staggering. Obviously, the >> push/pull/shove involved in getting such a product approved is >> no easy task. Few export licenses have been issued and those >> who have them are not too anxious for any others to join them. >> >> Just how easy was it to obtain such a privilege? Not very. Not >> even Fortune 500 companies could obtain export rights from the >> Commerce Department. Letters from IBM, Motorola, Digital, HP >> and a host of other billion dollar firms clearly indicate their >> unsuccessful efforts to obtain Commerce licenses to export their >> products. >> >> However, letters from certain other companies are covered with >> redacted notes which the Commerce Department refuses to release. >> One letter to the Commerce Department in particular was faxed to >> someone (also redacted) along with a memo on how to obtain a >> "waiver" for export. Another set of Sockowitz documents being >> withheld are a set of hand written notes on a conversation, a >> three pages fax and two applications for license for export >> dated 8/11/94. The Clinton administration will not say who sent >> the fax nor will they say who Ira Sockowitz talked to. Yet, >> clearly the topic was a license to export. A license that could >> have been worth billions of dollars. >> >> It's going to be a long hot summer for the Clinton >> administration. >> >> 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 >> >> Charles R. Smith >> SOFTWAR >> http://www.us.net/softwar >> >> Pcyphered SIGNATURE: >> 5317BD5D86A9257B2048D1D80523D9ACF320DB56A078CA4EA62BABF7A43EBE6B >> 2F5FB787CDEF242FA01EF13984F7071AC2B401DAD0010740F1F024C3CCF9D841 >> 9760977F67662EEF > > >

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fbi+eu mass wiretapping?
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message From: chasm(a)insync.net (Schuetzen) To: ADVISORY.LIST(a)insync.net, snetnews(a)world.std.com Subject: SNET: (fwd) piml] Global telephone tapping system. Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:19:01 GMT - -> SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List X-No-Archive: Yes FORWARDED On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:19:36 -0400, "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)eng.eds.com> wrote: To: piml(a)mars.galstar.com Subject: piml] Global telephone tapping system. From: "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)eng.eds.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:19:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. European Union and FBI launch global surveillance system ------------------- From Statewatch, 25 February 1997, London, UK ------------------- "The EU, in cooperation with the FBI of the USA, is launching a system of global surveillance of communications to combat "serious crime" and to protect "national security", but to do this they are creating a system which can monitor everyone and everything. The EU will be able to trawl the airwaves for "subversive" thoughts and "dissident" views and, with its partners, across the globe." "It seems extraordinary given the concern over the Police Bill in the UK and the "Clipper chip" in the USA that there has been no debate over the creation of a global telephone tapping system initiated by the EU and the USA and supported by Canada, Australia, Norway and Hong Kong." "the UK Parliament, like many others in the EU, has been by- passed in the most blatant way. To claim as the Home Secretary does that the "Memorandum of Understanding" is "not a significant document" and to fail to send the main EU Council Resolution to parliament for scrutiny is quite extraordinary when the Police Bill - which extends police surveillance - is going through parliament." OVERVIEW EU-FBI: global tapping system The Council of the European Union and the FBI in Washington, USA have been cooperating for the past five years on a plan to introduce a global telecommunications tapping system. The system takes advantage of the liberalisation of telecommunications - where private companies are taking over from national telephone systems - and the replacement of land/sea based lines and microwave towers by satellite communications. Telephone lines are now partly land-based or under sea or via microwave land-based towers but the new generation of telecommunications will be totally satellite based. The EU-FBI initiative notes the demise of: 1. state-owned telephone companies 2. nationally-based telephone systems is concerned about: 3. the problems faced with intercepting "mobile" phones and encrypted communications and wants to ensure: 4. there is harmonisation of national laws on interception 5. to ensure that telecommunications provider business cooperate with the police and internal security 6. the equipment produced has standards which can be intercepted 7. as many countries as possible to sign up and thus create a de facto global system (through provisions of equipment etc to third countries) A related disclosure in a book by Nicky Hager shows that instead of "suspects" and "targets" the ECHELON system simply trawls the airwaves for "subversive thoughts" in written form and increasingly in verbal form. ECHELON is run under the 1948 UKUSA agreement by the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. REPORT The Trevi decision The first reference to this initiative was at a Trevi Ministers meeting in December 1991 which decided that: "a study should be made of the effects of legal, technical and market developments within the telecommunications sector on the different interception possibilities and of what action should be taken to counter the problems that have become apparent" At the meeting of Trevi Ministers in Copenhagen in June 1993 they agreed the text of a "questionnaire on phone tapping" which was sent to each Member State in July 1993 and to the new members (Finland, Sweden and Austria) in September 1993 (see below). EU-FBI linkup At the first meeting of the new Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers in Brussels on 29-30 November 1993 they adopted the following Resolution on "the interception of telecommunications" which speaks for itself and reproduced here in full: "COUNCIL RESOLUTION ON THE INTERCEPTION OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS The Council: 1. calls upon the expert group to compare the requirements of the Member States of the Union with those of the FBI; 2. agrees that the requirements of the Member States of the Union will be conveyed to the third countries which attended the FBI meeting in Quantico and were mentioned in the memorandum approved by the Ministers at their meeting in Copenhagen (Sweden, Norway, Finland (countries applying for accession to the European Communities), the USA and Canada) in order to avoid a discussion based solely on the requirements of the FBI; 3. approves for practical reasons the extension to Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand (which attended the FBI seminar) of the decision on co-operation with third countries which was taken at the Ministerial meeting in Copenhagen; 4. hereby decides that informal talks with the above-named countries may be envisaged: to that end the Presidency and the expert group might, for example, organize a meeting with those third countries to exchange information." Source: "Interception of communications", report to COREPER, ENFOPOL 40, 10090/93, Confidential, Brussels, 16.11.93. Main Resolution on the "lawful interception of communications" The draft Resolution on the "lawful interception of communications", an initiative by the Netherlands (which set out the "Requirements", see below) was discussed in the K4 Committee in March, April, November and December 1994. The JHA Council discussed the draft Resolution in March 1994 but it was only formally adopted by "written procedure" (by telexes to Member States dated 21.12.94, 9.1.95, and 18.1.95: source Council of the European Union; the last date is after the Resolution was agreed) on 17 January 1995. The decision was not published in any form for almost two years - on 4 November 1996 it finally appeared in the Official Journal. The Resolution has three parts: First, the short Resolution which says: "the legally authorised interception of telecommunications is an important tool for the protection of national interest, in particular national security and the investigation of serious crime." Second, the "REQUIREMENTS" which place a whole series of obligations on: network providers, eg: satellite communications networks; and on service providers, who provide the equipment for national telecom centres, business, groups and individuals. And finally, a Glossary of definitions. The "Requirements" are based on the needs of "law enforcement agencies" (defined as "a service authorised by law to carry out telecommunications interceptions") who "require access to the entire telecommunications transmitted.. by the interception subject" (defined as: "Person or persons identified in the lawful authorisation and whose incoming and outgoing communications are to be intercepted") who is the subject of an "interception order" defined as: "An order placed on a network operator/service provider for assisting a law enforcement agency with a lawfully authorised telecommunications interception." The "law enforcement agencies" are required to be provided with access not just to the content of a communication, in whatever, form, but also "associated data", "post-connection" signals (eg: conference calling or call transfer), all numbers called, all numbers called by - in both cases even if a connection is not made - plus "realtime, fulltime monitoring capability", the location of mobile subscribers, simultaneous and multiple interceptions "by more than one law enforcement agency", and "roaming" by mobile phone users "outside their designated home serving area". The network operators and service providers are expected to provide "one or several" permanent "interfaces from which the intercepted communications can be transmitted to the law enforcement monitoring facility." And, if they provide "encoding, compression or encryption" to the customer they must provide it en clair (decrypted) to the law enforcement agencies. Finally, they are obliged to ensure that: "neither the interception target nor any other authorised person is aware of any changes made to fulfil the interception order... [and] to protect information on which and how many interceptions are being or have been performed, and not to disclose information on how interceptions are carried out." Source: "Memorandum of Understanding concerning the lawful interception of telecommunications", ENFOPOL 112, 10037/95, Limite, Brussels, 25.11.95; this report contains the "Memorandum" with the Resolution adopted on 17 January 1965 attached. The Resolution was published in the Official Journal on 4.11.96, ref: C 329 pages 1-6. Memorandum of Understanding on the Legal Interception of Telecommunications The "Memorandum of understanding with third countries" (later described as the "Memorandum of Understanding on the Legal Interception of Telecommunications") was discussed at the K4 Committee in November 1994. The significance of the "Memorandum" is that it extends the agreement on the surveillance of telecommunications to non-EU countries who are being invited to adopt it - and with it the "Requirements". The Memorandum of Understanding was signed by the 15 EU Member States on 23 November 1995 at the meeting of the Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers. The contact addresses for signatory countries and for further information, which confirms the EU-USA link, should be sent to: a. Director Federal Bureau of Investigation, Attention: Information Resource Division, 10 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington D.C. 20535 b. General Secretary of the Council of the European Union, FAO The President, Rue de la Loi 175, B-1048 Brussels, Belgium." The number of signatories to the "Memorandum" is open-ended, any country can join providing the existing member states agree. It invites "participants" because "the possibilities for intercepting telecommunications are becoming increasingly threatened" and there is a need to introduce "international interception standards" and "norms for the telecommunications industry for carrying out interception orders" in order to "fight.. organised crime and for the protection of national security." The strategy appears to be to first get the "Western world" (EU, US plus allies) to agree "norms" and "procedures" and then to sell these products to Third World countries - who even if they do not agree to "interception orders" will find their telecommunications monitored by ECHELON (see below) the minute it hit the airwaves. Source: "Memorandum of Understanding concerning the lawful interception of telecommunications", ENFOPOL 112, 10037/95, Limite, Brussels, 25.11.95. "not a significant document" - the Home Secretary The Chair of the Select Committee on the European Communities in the House of Lords, Lord Tordoff, took up the "Memorandum" with the Home Secretary, Michael Howard, in an exchange of letters on the Committee~s access to documents for scrutiny. On the subject of the "Memorandum of Understanding on the Legal Interception of Telecommunications" Mr Howard told Lord Tordoff: "The Memorandum of Understanding is a set of practical guidelines to third countries on the lawful interception of telecommunications. It is NOT A SIGNIFICANT DOCUMENT and does not, therefore, appear to meet the criteria for Parliamentary scrutiny of Title VI documents." (emphasis added) It is quite clear from this Briefing that the "Memorandum" is not an insignificant document concerning as it does a EU-US plan for global telecommunications surveillance. The "Memorandum" itself is just two pages. It is the full text of the "Resolution" attached to it which demonstrates its full meaning. However, not only did Mr Howard not think the "Memorandum" was "a significant document" he also apparently believes the attached Resolution also insignificant as he did not submit it to the House of Lords Committee for scrutiny prior to its adoption in January 1995 or thereafter. Source: Correspondence with Ministers, 9th Session 1995-96, HL 74, pages 26-29. Letter to international standards bodies In December 1995 COREPER agreed a letter to be sent out to "international standardisation bodies in the field of telecommunications" (IEC, ISO and ITU). The letter said: "Modern telecommunications systems present the risk of not permitting the lawful interception of telecommunications if they have not been adapted, at the standardisation and design stage, to allow such interception." These bodies are "invited" to take account of the requirements of the Council Resolution of 17 January 1995 and told that Member States would be applying "these requirements to network operators and providers of services". The December 1995 letter to international standards bodies and the publication of the main Resolution in November 1996 in the Official Journal announced to manufacturers of equipment and service providers that they will be expected to meet the "Requirements" allowing surveillance for any new contracts within the EU and via the "Memorandum" that these standards would also apply to any countries signing up to it - for example, the USA. Source: "Draft letter to be sent to the international standardisation bodies concerning the Council Resolution of 17 January 1995 on the lawful interception of communications", Council General Secretariat to COREPER/COUNCIL, ENFOPOL 166, 12798/95, Limite, 14.12.95. Letter to non EU countries At its meeting on 28-29 November 1996 the Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers agreed a "draft letter" prepared by the K4 Committee to "non EU participants in the informal international Law Enforcement Telecommunications Seminar". "The letter.. informs you of the wider international support for the "Requirements" annexed to the Council Resolution. The Council considers that the lawful monitoring of telecommunications systems is an important tool in the prevention and detection of serious crimes and in safeguarding national security. Mindful of new technological developments in the field of telecommunications, the Council adopted the Resolution of 17 January, 1996 laying down technical Requirements, for the lawful interception of telecommunications. The Member States of the European Union have been called upon to apply those Requirements to telecommunications operators and service providers... The "Requirements" have been discussed by interception experts from EU Member States with colleagues from other countries which are equally concerned to ensure that adequate technical provision is made for legally authorized interception in modern telecommunications technologies. Arising from those discussions which have taken place during a seminar, the Council of the European Union has received expressions of support for the Requirements from Australia, Canada, Norway and the United States of America. In particular, the relevant authorities In those countries have undertaken to (i) have the Requirements taken into account in their appropriate national policies and (ii) use the Requirements as a basis for discussions with the telecommunications industry, standards bodies and telecommunications operators... You are invited to take note of this letter for the purpose of your further discussions with the telecommunications industry standards bodies and telecommunications operators. The President, for the Council of the European Union." Source: "Draft letter to non EU participants in the informal international Law Enforcement Telecommunications Seminar regarding the Council Resolution", ENFOPOL 180, 11282/96, Limite 6.11.96. Behind the scenes Behind the formal decisions and letters the various Working Parties under the K4 Committee were at work on the details. In January 1995 the Police Cooperation Working Group, which comes under the K4 Committee, considered a report by the UK delegation on the problems presented by the next generation of satellite-based telecommunications systems which should be able to: " ~"tag" each individual subscriber in view of a possibly necessary surveillance activity." The report said that the new mobile individual communications working through satellites were already underway and unlike the current earth-bound systems based on GSM-technology would "in many cases operate from outside the national territory". The rationale for the plan was that these new systems: "will provide unique possibilities for organised crime and will lead to new threats to national security". The report said all the new systems have to have the capability to place all individuals under surveillance - the product of "tagging" individual phone lines could therefore easily be extended to political activists, "suspected" illegal migrants and others. The fact that the new systems were being developed by large private international corporations, not national state-run systems, created "unusual problems for the legally permitted surveillance of telecommunications". The first problem to surface, according to the report, was that: "initial contacts with various consortia... has met with the most diverse reactions, ranging from great willingness to cooperate on the one hand, to an almost total refusal even to discuss the question." It goes on to say: "it is very urgent for governments and/or legislative institutions to make the new consortia aware of their duties. The government will also have to create new regulations for international cooperation so that the necessary surveillance will be able to operate." Another "problem" for surveillance under the new systems is that satellites will communicate with earth-bound stations which will function as distribution points for a number of adjoining countries - there will not be a distribution point in every country. While the existing "methods of legally permitted surveillance of immobile and mobile telecommunications have hitherto depended on national infrastructures" (italics added). The: "providers of these new systems do not come under the legal guidelines used hitherto for a legal surveillance of telecommunications." The report says it would be difficult to monitor the "upward and downward connections to the distribution point" so the "tag" would start the surveillance at "the first earthbound distribution point". Due to the number of different countries that might be involved in making a connection it has been agreed that the following "relevant data" should be provided: "the number of the subscriber calling, the number of the subscriber being called, the numbers of all subscribers called thereafter". The report uses the example of a subscriber who is a national of country A, with a telephone subscription in country B (supplying the relevant data for the "tag"), who occasionally uses the system in country C which uses the distribution point in country D (which conducts the surveillance) and who is in contact with a person in country E concerning a suspected serious crime in country F. The report with a series of recommendations including amendments to national laws to "ensure that surveillance will be possible within the new systems" and that "all those who are involved in planning the new systems" should be made aware of "the demands of legally permitted surveillance". A later report from the same Working Party, in June 1995, concludes: "These new telecommunications systems have much in common with existing mobile phone systems... [and] will very quickly develop into a global problem, which looks like it can only be controlled by global cooperation of a hitherto unknown degree." Sources: "Legally permitted surveillance of telecommunications systems provided from a point outside the national territory", report from the UK delegation to the Working Group on Police Cooperation, ENFOPOL 1, 4118/95, Restricted, 9.1.95; Report from the Presidency to the Working Group on Police Cooperation, ENFOPOL 1, 4118/2/95 REV 2, Limite, 2.6.95. Questionnaire on "national law regarding phone tapping" In November 1995 while the EU Ministers were signing the "Memorandum of Understanding" for non-EU countries a Working Party under the K4 Committee was considering a report from the Spanish delegation on national laws within the EU on phone tapping surveillance. The 1995 report opens with the cynical observation: "As it was foreseeable, all states which have answered the questionnaire guarantee the confidentiality of private communications either by their constitution or their Basic Law, or both, in accordance with Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights." However, it goes on to observe, and assume, "under certain conditions the interception of telecommunications" is allowed. The report says the country surveys showed - and this is of crucial importance regarding surveillance by ECHELON (see below) that: "At the moment there does not seem to be a legal problem for interception that depends on the kind of device used for the transmission of voice, text, data or images" This is a reference to forms of "written" communications or "images" sent by e-mail, fax, and telex. It summarises the legal positions as: the following countries "can simply" make changes in the penal procedure: Germany, Austria, Denmark, Luxembourg, Spain and Portugal, while Belgium, France, the UK, Ireland, Greece, Norway and Sweden require new legislation, with a combination of both in Italy. Discussions had taken place, the report says, on the "great advantages" the police have if: "they can keep people under surveillance on the grounds of suspicion of criminal activity". Some countries require objective evidence of an offence before surveillance can start but in Austria a request for a phone tap "leads automatically to an investigation being opened". Another problem addressed was the right of individual's to be informed about phone tapping (Article 6.3 in relation to Article 8 of the ECHR): "Obviously such information prejudices the result of the police investigation. Therefore, each country has to arrange for a procedure to legally delay notification." The report recommends the Danish system where a lawyer is appointed by the Justice Ministry who represents the interests of the person to be placed under surveillance at a private hearing but is not allowed to tell the person concerned. The survey found that the maximum duration of authorisation varied from 2 weeks to 4 months. The report concludes that phone tapping "is justified by a serious offence" where "a punishment of imprisonment of one year or more" is available to fight "organised crime". Yet again the justification for combating "organised crime" is so widely drawn - sentences of just one year or more - that the purpose of surveillance has to be fundamentally questioned. Source: "Report on the national laws regarding the questionnaires on phone tapping", Report from the Spanish Presidency to the Working Group on Police Cooperation, ENFOPOL 15, 4354/2/95 REV 2, Restricted, 13.11.95. Who is going to pay for it? One issue on which the reports from the K4 Committee are silent is who is to pay the costs for the special facilities needed under the "Requirements" of law enforcement agencies - network and service providers or the governments? However, a report produced by the German government, says that the costs are going to be astronomical. It estimates that to set up surveillance of mobile phones alone will cost 4 billion D-Marks. Source: draft report, dated 5 May 1995, from the German government on the "problems and solutions regarding the surveillance of telecommunications". The "ECHELON" connection "ECHELON" is a world-wide surveillance system designed and coordinated by the US NSA (National Security Agency) that intercepts e-mail, fax, telex and international telephone communications carried via satellites and has been operating since the early 1980s - it is part of the post Cold War developments based on the UKUSA agreement signed between the UK, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand in 1948. The five agencies involved are: the US National Security Agency (NSA), the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) in New Zealand, Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in the UK, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) in Canada and the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD) in Australia. The system has been exposed by Nicky Hager in his 1996 book, Secret Power: New Zealand's role in the International Spy Network. He interviewed more than 50 people who work or have worked in intelligence who are concerned at the uses of ECHELON. "The ECHELON system is not designed to eavesdrop on a particular individual's e-mail or fax link. Rather, the system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large quantities of communications and using computers to identify and extract messages from the mass of unwanted ones." There are three components to ECHELON: 1. The monitoring of Intelsats, international telecommunications satellites used by phone companies in most countries. A key ECHELON station is at Morwenstow in Cornwall monitoring Europe, the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean. 2. ECHELON interception of non-Intelsat regional communication satellites. Key monitoring stations are Menwith Hill in Yorkshire and Bad Aibling in Germany. 3. The final element of the ECHELON system is the surveillance of land-based or under-sea systems which use cables or microwave tower networks. At present it is thought ECHELON's effort is primarily directed at the "written form" (e-mails, faxes, and telexes) but new satellite telephones system which take over from old land-based ones will be as vulnerable as the "written word". Each of the five centres supply "Dictionaries" to the other four of keywords, phrases, people and places to "tag" and the tagged intercept is forwarded straight to the requesting country. It is the interface of the ECHELON system and its potential development on phone calls combined with the standardisation of "tappable" telecommunications centres and equipment being sponsored by the EU and the USA which presents a truly global threat over which there are no legal or democratic controls. Source: "Exposing the global surveillance system", Nicky Hager. CovertAction Quarterly, Winter 1996-97, pages 11-17. CHRONOLOGY December 1991 A meeting of the Trevi Ministers decide a study should be carried out on the new telecommunications systems and "the different interception possibilities". 29-30 November 1993 The first meeting of the new, post-Maastricht, Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers meeting in Brussels adopt a Resolution calling on experts to compare the needs of the EU "with those of the FBI". March, April, November and December 1994 The K4 Committee discusses the draft Resolution on the lawful interception of telecommunications and the "Requirements" to be placed on network and service providers. March 1994 The Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers discuss the draft Resolution. November 1994 The K4 Committee discusses the draft "Memorandum of Understanding with third countries". 9 January 1995 The Working Group on Police Cooperation, under the K4 Committee, considers a report on the need to "tag" all communications. 17 January 1995 The Resolution is adopted by "written procedure". It is not published in any form until 4 November 1996 when it appears in the Official Journal. 13 November 1995 The Working Group on Police Cooperation consider a report on the situation in each EU state on telephone tapping. 23 November 1995 The Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers agree the "Memorandum of Understanding". It is not published in any form. December 1995 COREPER agree the text of a letter to be sent to international standards bodies attaching the Resolution. 7 May 1996 Michael Howard, the Home Secretary, tells the Chair of the Select Committee on the European Communities in the House of Lords that the "Memorandum of Understanding on the legal interception of communications" is "not a significant document". 28 November 1996 The Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers agree the text of a letter to be sent out to other potential "participants" (countries) in the "Memorandum of Understanding". Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers Set up under Title VI, Article K, of the Maastricht Treaty. First meet on 29 November 1993 when it took over from the Trevi Group and the Ad Hoc Group on Immigration. K4 Committee Also set up under the Maastricht Treaty to coordinate the work on the "third pillar" - policing, immigration and asylum, and legal cooperation. Is comprised of senior officials from Interior Ministries and prepares report to go to the Council. Under the K4 Committee there are three Steering Groups covering policing and customs, immigration and asylum, and legal cooperation (civil and criminal) to which a series of Working Groups report. COREPER The Committee of Permanent Representatives from each EU state based in Brussels. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright: Statewatch, February 1997. Material in this report may be used provided the source is acknowledged. Statewatch, PO Box 1516, London N16 0EW tel: 00 44 181 802 1882 fax: 00 44 181 880 1727 e-mail: statewatch-off(a)geo2.poptel.org.uk - --------------773C24486F5992E16EEA4806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sig.sav" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sig.sav" ==================================================================== ///, //// Mark A. 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PGP Crack Challenge Ciphertext
by Pearl Harbor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Below is the encrypted text of the "hidejews.asc" file which must be decrypted in order to meet the "PGP Crack Challenge" sponsored by Pearl Harbor Computers. In order to meet the terms of the contest, the winner must post the decrypted text to the cypherpunks list, signed with their secret key. Please note that in order to ensure the fairness and integrity of the "PGP Crack Challenge" that the secret key used to encrypt the message will be placed in escrow with a Trusted Third Party. The person chosen for this honor is a respected member of the cypherpunk list, Alec McCrackin. - -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 MessageID: qoLXESdTeOgwO9d+ih1SNm28wJzD5AZ0 hQEMAzxR/vV9bQ8hAQf/TAnNvPRMxYwpv6M9H4YF2h01KMjGYx5Fn8pvHtgy1KiN lvT0GFq7h36g2YncKjRKVkU9RwrOBaGCN9iwslLpuomMgFMBfwhHqyWCchzYUAVg B0oHnfyKM7EIaOgPRZwhuEwmWpvMOOTqltfKKtMZ08A5swFjcHa1c5+BapoI3nah cAXeMXYuCWwFQPDPYywpKNtHyp9D4KIjKkoWTUcC3p3u+dOyao2ZSO1CzVO+CuNf p5SO2eDb9Jqa7/ekIMS3seaH7aYzmZ9QS51YXoLUhfAdtS9tg1Zh7t6qgWd77qgp 7qtW9x3bfhKrL+xp6OhxeI/6I6y6LP/4fsD2ZGFHQaUCov1zaoBOTgvLY0ZypQsk ElxQFRYVId6rvLTODgi7MfkxXhl6l9hR4zkVAxx5vgjJYd2n14SW31Ex3lnqFxkR S/IvpxfIUwtbe7wPKd0Xofymn30LDVn7ziUcSlFJQhvOiyNxBBC2irPXGH56Sjfc vUnz3j8adPfr2Ao+NGH4ignpap2D0KhaVHc0O5Ja/QsOIiuwj1JlEjB9GT8tEiqz f2oOiatGlEcGD9ncxoVp3L23sOEHs/0iDfTTsnVAni+BtckL9zIXbw+B/uwsthp0 sm2AHgBikLL/UtqSQbD1vtZ1KlTDf0nSl3IsmpfUw06Ve8gyzlgK31YAsjCmwtRw vULz557cOkwcNocJxSPhskMYRcR7llkl+HT+nysKUMXhibL4FBZFjcgYvDPFbwHl bpmnoNdcFT+8TxmrfuYYthPxys4YhjQHxjBKL2T7yaHv+IzONAD3lVtxGCptFCKp I15FuEvPZuwpI2h37FXu2ju3QgaV+jul3MqXiz3Trgm3y6GUg5/U72dVK3ncVbbQ 7pzExgFMYNa5jG9qrlPJIlXzwOsy1bUSi8A1qUxv+R8zp8BPneL8slR64lE5WlLz LXKPVIczjz2AcNAYAD4cRj1brG3E0a4T14Djm55UUaQLpKnZDcTj91axug7Tl8SV Gs/bWx/CzoJcvZA+pwHrHvbOtNo2UwlMB8c5bJmKFneIze+cQuw235nR3gLhu1aW +JzME6I5vbqXNBCsxMCK5mY+LtYscF1egmCndp1QiVDU1OadYvAWFPeuGyEUST8Z 0CeHkqgXMjpAkbVCgLDhHkWbsZYysET4Kk/K8QFaVz3xkFEiiB9pXrOgekoE7ceg l46cemnO7Fyu1G+shn6bdVtFqkvtreqgoOeZ3DrnkE+spa6X =WRL+ - -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM6raTjxR/vV9bQ8hAQEBVAf7BWAr9mJb4kY1iVJiGB55muBfWgSkT6cS oGyNnpWeqIkiOqR29SZYecaz1ve9oEUMXJoP9Si1vvg0qIFS+ZZKFxRQuhk8owxU UFmRf8gaq+ovvQdGIWgfTAFnzYfTOJSh8LpmgNoAeVL5Q5/KAmG4qqOepJyzenkF NneOKcozz/eDWtizzur1jOLutTPTUjJX9alyOa3wzh0hahWVZySmYekqFt7H3bwa KPdX9qj7I7Skm/nw+kKZOMjxbWtXzL5uBfDkboC2QmIZJcFy3Bwlrbn4rJfic+iw JMy3S8hxvKuQeud+5PCFnyIzIGROaMj4cD/CgZfRDOorD8V1O5iK7g== =2pkA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP Crack Solution
by AlecMcCrackin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Solution to Pearl Harbor Computer's ----------------------------------- "PGP Crack Challenge" --------------------- "The cypherpunks aren't hiding Jews." "They are hiding that murdering Armenian bastard, Ray Arachelian, and cocksucker John <spit> Gilmore <fart>." --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ "I think we should all send Pearl Harbor Computers back 10 copies of this" --- Graham-John Bullers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQCVAgUBM6rHzSKJGkNBIH7lAQGxzgP+MQuVm9DWABUxhp0xVp+5L7qm9JlCZ/GU e2Yktx4n8ouRfUpf5WK9uxCGnKd5S1sv38yrJy8sMbQkN1uY8nJYevmwb/6oH1+n cbXJccanXFtAe4Qt6c6bHKJorU+cjk5K2Xl3c/w3PJBgox2r2sAhC98oGE7l4i71 uiRNsXsbbbg= =OIRG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP Crack Successful !!!
by DeclanMcCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://pathfinder.cum/netly/forgeries/709PGPCRACK.html The Netly News June 22, 1997 2048-bit PGP Cracked!!! by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.cum) In an astounding turn of events, only days after the DES Challenge lay broken on the floor of crypto opponents, the crypto community has been rocked by the breaking of a 2048-bit PGP 5.0 cyphertext that was posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list by Pearl Harbor Computers in the "PGP Crack Challenge." Alec McCrackin, a Cypherpunk, posted the solution to the challenge a matter of minutes after the post containing the cyphertext arrived on the list. Although McCrackin was tight-lipped about the means used to decypher the challenge data, several anonymous Cypherpunk sources indicated that it has been known for months that PGP encrypted files could easily be read by using the backdoor in the Stronghold encryption software to decipher PGP files. "Cypherpunks can't write code." stated a Kook of the Month winner who prefered to remain anonymous. "I posted the solution to the list back in '92." stated another anonymous Cypherpunk source. "Check the archives." The source went on to add that he thought it was very suspicious that the contest was won by the person acting as the Trusted Third Party who was holding the secret key used to encrypt the message in escrow. Alec McCrackin, the Trusted Third Party and contest winner, expressed surprise and dismay that anyone would raise the question of abuse of authority in the matter. "Key escrow was needed in order to meet the legitmate needs of contest enforcement." McCrackin said. "Without key escrow, there would be no means to guarantee that the contest data did not contain child pornography or drug trafficking information." A company spokesman at PGP Inc. stated that the company did not forsee any major downturn in company revenue, since PGP Inc. had recently acquired rights to a leading source of SpamBot technology. Phil Zimmerman, who was forced out of the company as a condition of the acquisition agreement, said of his replacement, "Dimitri is a cocksucker." A reporter from Markets Magazine claims to have gotten inside information about the PGP crack, but can't remember what his source actually said. "I do remember his name, though. It was Bob Hettinga." the reporter stated. When asked what import this news had for the Clinton administration's plans for crypto export policy, a secret Whithouse source who has had me over for dinner several times with some of D.C.'s most prominent movers and shakers (and who lets me drive his Mercedes every time I give him a favorable mention in an article) said, "To tell the truth, most of us have been encrypting details of our dirty deals with PGP, so we may not be around long enough for our views to matter." ------------------------- DeclanMcCullagh Time Ink. The Nutly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! (fwd)
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > the distributed internet project to crack > the DES Challenge key succeeded on the day that the Senate committee > was trying to tell us that 56kbps should be plenty for anybody. What an amazing coincidence. RSA works in mysterious ways. MysteryMonger

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Re: [STEGO] Quadratic residues
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

`A pen is mightier than a sword', not to mention Timothy C[ocksucker] Mayonnaise's pea-sized penis. He would be better served by a safety razor, possibly applied in a bathtub filled with warm water (something he has surely never been into). ((__)) Timothy C[ocksucker] Mayonnaise (00) (o__o)

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Re: "Fuck tha EFF": New banner for Netscum page
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aaron Marquez <marquez(a)pacbell.net> writes: > I find it curious that when the EFF was silent about the netscum page, the > majority of you were supportive of the EFF, but as soon as the EFF said that > they weren't interested in being associated with the netscum page, the party > line suddenly became "the EFF is a bunch of corporate whores..." This is a lie, like everything else Aaron Marquez says. We've been condemnding EFF at least since October 96, when we caught one of the cocksuckers in charge of it in blatant censorship. > What explanation can there be for such a quick 180 other than to conclude > that you're suffering from a big case of sour grapes? And at any rate, how > does EFF-bashing on a mailing list advance the cause of electronic freedom? > I think it's been made obvious what you think of the EFF, why repeat it over > and over to people who already know? This is a lie (see above). Dave, why did you subscribe this Cabal stooge to this mailing list without announcing it? :-( > >If one dislikes the "National Socialists", the closet historical analogue > >of the Usenet Cabal, it doesn't follow that one is against socialism. > > I disagree that the so-called Usenet Cabal is akin to the National > Socialists. Marquez is not even amusing - just a Cabal liar. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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cypherpunks PR fluff-ups (was Re: Garbled in transmission.)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sameer Parekh <sameer(a)c2.net> writes: > ET <emergent(a)eval-apply.com> writes: > > I can't remember it word for word, but it went like this: > > "If you're going to decrypt financial transactions you'd better > > be prepared to get 1000 computers and spend 3 months on > > the project." > > Not at all surprising, considering the wording of Rocke's > press release. I agree. He didn't even mention the possibility of hardware cracks, nor estimates of times to break DES with hardware. 10,000 people burn more CPU than ever managed by a distributed effort in history, and the PR is poorly managed. You need to invest some of that effort in PR. Why no mention of the fact that the crack cost $10,000 (the prize money). And what happened to the prize money? (Who won it? Did the guy finding the key? Or did something boring like giving it to GNU or EFF happen to it?) Why no source code? Some general comments about the crack: Many of the people involved in running the cracks seemed more concerned with their own glory, or with getting their name in lights to enhance their consulting rates, or the technical interest of it, or control freakish tendencies over the management of it, arguing over how best to design the software to conceal the key from the finder of the key! etc, than in making a political statement about the weakness of DES. Seemed like few of them were cypherpunks at heart. This reflected itself I think in the complete hostility to giving the prize money to the winner, the fact that several of the cracks wouldn't reveal the source code, nor their techniques. The earlier cracks the cypherpunks as a group were involved in (netscape breaks) were much more open (source code was released, and benefited from release by others contributing speed-ups). There was none of this attitude which I detected amongst some of the DES groups of excluding others from a small groups organisational effort, because that group wanted the lime-light. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: CNNFN transcript -- EPIC vs. Family Research Council on CDA
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan: So when did you turn into Rotenberg's press whore? This 20k transcript you just spammed me with is no different than a hundred other mediocre debates on second-rate news shows that we have all been subjected to since people started whining about the CDA. Boring.

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Re: New Laws in Oregon - "Land of the Legal betatest"
by Ryan Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > > How do you propose to deal with such things as the Telecommunications Act > > of 1996 (which incidently included the CDA)? I can see a problem where > > one sentence or clause gets thrown out of a major bill (say a compromise > > budget, that someone screwed up one minor ammendment), and if you have > > that happen 3 times in 6 years, you've lost 90% of your senators! I'm not > > saying that your idea isn't without merit, just that it's got a few > > problems that strike me as somewhat major.. > > Please elaborate, as I can't see _any_ problem with eliminating 90% of > the sitting legislature. You've completely missed my point. This would be an on-going problem. Congress can only function with some idea of compromise in it. When you're passing budgets, especially the kind of budgets we have right now, they get big and complicated, I can't see that changing significantly, even with a massive turnover of members. But having no consistency in Congress at all, even for some "good" reps would be horrible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Anderson - <Pug Majere> "Who knows, even the horse might sing" Wayne State University - CULMA "May you live in interesting times.." randerso(a)ece.eng.wayne.edu Ohio = VYI of the USA PGP Fingerprint - 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57 E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RC5 crack
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Been looking at the RC5 crack project. http://rc5.distributed.net/ has loads of flashy graphics, stats, etc. but no instructions! I've got the linux command line client, and I want to take off 16 hours at a time as I am using a dial up slip link, and it insists on taking 20 mins worth. I read the FAQ, nada. Help. Also, no source code. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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The Global Fix is In
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The "Meeting of the Eight," formerly the G7, is happening in Denver. Listening to what's coming out of it, it's apparent that the Four Horsemen are front and center. Clinton is speaking of a network of banking and communications policy coordinators, to detect and halt drug dealing, money laundering, and nuclear terrorism. This fits with the details of reports about global wiretapping efforts, about joint intelligence activities, and, of course, with the OECD/GAK laws being proposed, passed, and about to be signed into law about "Key Recovery" and "Trusted Third Parties." The fix is in. It probably won't be long before Stronghold is barred for export from either Britain or RSA (the other one); both Tony Blair and Nelson Mandela are Friends of Bill, so a few phone calls should take care of that little problem. (And Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are part of the global wiretap agreement, so I rather doubt free export of PGP 5.x code out of Norway will be feasible, despite the OCR effort now underway there.) (Not that Clinton will mention Stronghold to Blair...that's far too much microdetail. Jimmy Carter might have gotten involved at that level, but not Bill. Details will be left to underlings.) The call to Japan, probably the visit by David Aaron, stopped NTT's plans for exporting the RSA chip. Anguilla and other "offshore" havens, will be subject to the same kinds of pressure. Mark my words. It's not hopeless. Physical havens are vulnerable, to all sorts of pressures (I doubt many cryptographers want to set up shop in Libya or Iraq, not that these places would be hospitable to Cypherpunks sorts of goals and methods). Going underground, using the untraceable features of cyberspace, may be the last, best hope. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: Paul Spirito <spiritop(a)slic.com> Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu, Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill I'm much more intersted in looking at the motives not of the minority who voted for ProCODE II, but at who endorsed the final McCain-Kerrey bill and reported it out of committee. Keep in mind that civil liberties and business groups across the spectrum are unanimous in condemning the McCain-Kerrey bill as evil. But which senators on the full Commerce Committee voted against it? Did Ashcroft? Did Burns? -Declan On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Paul Spirito wrote: > 1) The senators who voted for the pro-CODE "compromise" were acting > about as principled as senators normally will.

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spook pressure on crypto exports
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back asked for info crypto export news for AU, IE and NZ, which I echo. I recall that Peter Gutmann has a standing request for crypto export info from anywhere. We'd like to host any reports that come in. For those who've not seen it, his report on his bizarre trials is at: http://jya.com/nsazeal.htm And a report on a weirdly similar UK experience by Mike Cobb is at: http://ukeep.htm Documenting the various international experiences is a worthy accompaniment to those of Bernstein, Karn and Junger, and about the only way to expose global GAK at work. It seems to be spreading quietly, implemented case by case, wearing down isolated appliants with evasive procrastination, or promising a one-time approval, using the clock to threaten pending sales.

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Going underground, using the untraceable features of cyberspace, may be the >last, best hope. You can't go underground if cryptography is illegal. You don't have remailers, so you can't be anonymous. You don't have crypto, so anyone can see what you're doing online. It doesn't work. You can't ignore the laws. You can't ignore society. The real world is all around you, and you have to live in it. People are tired. We win one battle, and have to begin again with another. But that's the way it works. Look at the political battles which have gone on for decades: gun control, abortion, environmentalism, many more. You have to be in this for the long haul. You have to fight every step of the way. Don't give up. Anon

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17 Dec '03

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Re: cypherpunks PR fluff-ups
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Some general comments about the crack: > > Many of the people involved in running the cracks seemed more > concerned with their own glory, or with getting their name in lights > to enhance their consulting rates, or the technical interest of it, or > control freakish tendencies over the management of it, arguing over > how best to design the software to conceal the key from the finder of > the key! etc, than in making a political statement about the weakness > of DES. There seemed to be a multitude of political interests working to different ends in a number of the crack efforts, according to a lady who was involved with a couple of them rather intimately. Her impression was that there were people involved who were purposely giving out patently bad advice and working toward removing some of the more competent players from the scene. > Seemed like few of them were cypherpunks at heart. > > This reflected itself I think in the complete hostility to giving the > prize money to the winner, the fact that several of the cracks > wouldn't reveal the source code, nor their techniques. I know more than a few people who began to join in one or another of the cracks and then said to hell with it because of the cliquish nature of the efforts. Peter Trei's software ran best on my machines but when I contacted a couple of the groups as to how to find what keys had already been searched I was pretty much told to fuck off like it was some great secret only for the in-crowd. Also, there was a fair amount of sabotage going on in the background. The New Media effort in particular was plagued by bogus versions of their software being distributed and efforts to interfere with various sites running their software. Even their own version of the software was bogus at the point I first downloaded it. When I emailed them to point it out, they denied it, but then they stopped giving out their software for a couple weeks while they rewrote it, and then refused to make their source code available after that. All in all, my impression was there was too much ego and intrigue going on to make the distributed cracking efforts terribly efficient and functional at many points along the way. I would give those running the distributed cracks a few points for effort, but not many points for integrity. I still have a lingering feeling that the whole affair is being choreographed according to some unknown script, but I'm suspicious by nature. TruthCracker

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 04:50:16PM -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Statements similar to yours have been made so many times, scolding > > "extremists" for "not being realistic." I seem to remember something about > > extremism in defense of liberty being no vice, and moderation no virtue. > > Either way, if you compromise, you don't get what you want. That is > > absolutely obvious. So why compromise? > > Because half a million dollars is better than no dollars? Because in > real life the vast majority of choices are not binary? "Give me half my freedom, or hurt me bad." - Negotiator Crispin > The real question is: What is the most *effective* way for achieving > your ends. "Give me compromise, or I will give you death." - Prosecutor Crispin Wasn't someone named Crispin one of the original signers of the "Declaration of Wishing We Weren't Oppressed"? Half-TruthMonger

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Career non-criminal
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From News of the Weird: * The New York Times reported in December that Odell Sheppard, a "middle-aged handyman," had just passed his ninth consecutive year of incarceration in Cook County Jail in Chicago, even though he has not been charged with a crime. He was sent to jail for failing to reveal the whereabouts of his daughter Deborah, who was the subject of a child-custody dispute between Sheppard and Deborah's mother, but Sheppard maintains he has no idea where the girl is.

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McCain Talks Crypto
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This guy needs to connect to a clue server soon before it is too late... http://www.wired.com/news/politics/story/4588.html McCain Talks Crypto by Todd Lappin 6:04pm 20.Jun.97.PDT Just got off the phone with Senator John McCain. It has been a big week for the Republican from Arizona. On Monday, he and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) dropped a bomb on the encryption debate. They introduced S909, the Secure Public Networks Act, a bill that would write into law most of the Clinton administration's encryption policy - leviathan key recovery system, continued restraints on exporting strong encryption, the whole bit. Then, leveraging his chairmanship of the Senate Commerce Committee, he pushed the bill onto a legislative fast track. Despite the fact that his bill cuts the legs from under Pro-CODE - a bill by Montana Republican Conrad Burns that would scrap the export controls - McCain said he's eager to negotiate on the issues. Here are the highlights of our 5-minute conversation - during which a certain two-word term was repeated again and again. Let's see if you can spot it. On the rationale behind S909: "I've always said that national security is a primary concern - and based on my own experience [nearly six years as a Vietnam POW], I've had a lot of time to consider how important that really is." On the software industry: "Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised that the software industry would be so willing to downplay the dangers of child porn.... This stuff is out there, and we can't allow child pornographers to hide by encrypting that material." "... I'm astonished that any industry would consider their priorities to be so important that they override national security concerns." On the rival Pro-CODE bill: "I'm all for Pro-CODE - except for its impact on national security. On the future: "I promise you, now that we've adopted this legislation, we will sit down and work this out with all the parties involved. As I've said before, from a practical standpoint, we can't override a presidential veto. With this bill, we've established that the president of the United States has authority over national security."

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Re: McCain Talks Crypto
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alan Olsen wrote: > Here are the highlights of our 5-minute conversation > - during which a certain two-word term was repeated > again and again. Let's see if you can spot it. > > On the rationale behind S909: > "I've always said that ZIONIST CONSPIRACY is a primary > concern > > On the software industry: > "Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised that the software > industry would be so willing to downplay the dangers > of ZIONIST CONSPIRACY > > On the rival Pro-CODE bill: > "I'm all for Pro-CODE - except for its impact on > ZIONIST CONSPIRACY. > > On the future: > "With this bill, we've established that the > president of the United States has authority over > ZIONIST CONSPIRACY."

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spook pressure on crypto exports
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Correction: Mike Cobb's report on UK export is at: http://jya.com/ukeep.htm

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Re: Garbled in transmission
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>[...] > "Everybody knows that the boat is sinking. > Everybody knows that the captain lied." > - Lou Reed >[...] > "Everybody knows that the war is over. > Everybody knows that the good guys lost." > - Lou Reed >[...] Umm, no. Leonard Cohen actually.

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