December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

CypherSaber msg [was: Re: [NTSEC] pgp 5.0 back door]
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Clarification on my previous postscript: I left the following a message for CypherSaber CipherKnights with password "WriteYourCongressman" starting thus: > e91a 46d8 fba9 aaf5 927f 7a3f 1ded 8757 a741 4bb6 5568 3a5a f118 dc2b 11de If you had trouble decrypting it, it's because those are words with the most significant byte on the right. I hate endianness. Here it is in bytes: 1a e9 d8 46 a9 fb f5 aa 7f 92 3f 7a ed 1d 57 87 41 a7 b6 4b 68 55 5a 3a 18 f1 2b dc de 11 b3 eb 73 e8 a1 ff 20 d5 ea 09 b6 52 c3 65 2a a4 14 3d fa be 3e 0f 09 ff 9a e0 26 ad 77 f8 84 aa 22 47 c3 8a 0a 77 ad 0a a0 48 1e bf 51 9c 1e 2b 4f a5 7e 8a 14 3e d1 b0 84 3a 52 88 db f9 ce d7 b5 73 66 40 16 d5 77 4d 95 03 e2 37 9c b7 cd 9a 07 61 ff ec bc 72 85 e9 de 0e f0 fc bd ea 03 b9 17 92 fc a0 5d b9 d7 5a 31 34 73 ba 98 0d 0b 36 f2 ce 63 f8 54 ed a4 8a a9 b0 d1 6e bb a2 49 84 6f 34 7f 1a 31 f4 cf b8 e3 95 72 b3 f5 b0 a9 c8 e1 5a 2f 62 9f d5 90 c9 6d fd 11 36 1e bc 42 d8 c7 82 12 c1 d8 27 1e 8b d8 f3 69 f7 0c a1 f7 d4 60 63 a4 de cf f6 b3 fe c6 e8 2b c7 4a 7b dc 03 c4 Sorry for the confusion, if any. Salvo Salasio -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNDAAv9eed+DWkqwBAQHZEgQAgO8VQ3+HmtF6U3gZrP8fpAm1Tkmw/FIX KTA9WtfhqUEQN0tugyT5GvXfabw/ppiShYhDB4lEnJ4Tq2n/ul7Czkgnz6zkJeSy o3YaMwmqhnP9sHGr+8ehe9FY9763bsQ8kUQMmEntwJg1SiqSMY4FU9Tc2BnueDuo ildjarcF6UQ= =sU6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: sounds just like the snitch you are [was]RE: engineering infowar disasters
by Phillip Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.30a on or about 970927:2154 Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> left his excrement: +I suspect I'm not the only person on the list who is responsible for a +service that is a regular hacker target. If I catch someone I really +don't care what the motive for the attack was. I'm going to look to +make that person serve jail time. I do not advocate infowar disasters or any such, but: there is _nothing_ lower than a snitch; you just qualified. a snitch is without honour, lower than the thief; lower than the law. may you enjoy your visit... when do you go home to England or whatever sewer you crawled from? I never promised any sabateur that I would keep any secret of theirs. I have worked with law enforcement and the security services for many years. If I catch someone damaging my property or property I am responsible for I call the authorities. If someone is breaking into a bank and someone recognises the theif thats not a snitch, thats a hero. I believe that people who do bad things should go to prison. It isn't my fault that this description includes many of the people you send to congress. I never voted for any of them. Nor to judge from your spelling did you. I completely reject your pseudononymous attempt to posit that there is a 'them and us' and that I somehow have a responsibility towards anarchist thugs. When you grow up a bit you will learn that the real world is not like your high school. People depend on infrastructure. Lives depend on it. If people screw it up someone is likely to be killed. Freeh will have a party. Indeed its the sort of thing Nixon might have done on purpose to take advantage of the backlash. Phill

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ian Goldberg wrote: >Done. <ecash-remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> accepts messages of the form:... Congratulations to Ian Goldberg! It is wonderful to have an ecash accepting remailer up and running. I would encourage those who have ecash accounts to try out the ecash remailer and show Ian we appreciate his running such a reliable system. (Also, it's fun!) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDB2wZaWtjSmRH/5AQEpYgf+IKZdTiOnD4mDE62QBnusq+W4eV/HNmJA eRUQYAuU0PjzUM4kYcDsVLCLlhtn+qgWWtnXNvhLBkgC3uRbTChp8CDEhNn/Zn+o ZW6DTrZpx5O3NFDUQPm68JdjDD20gGGaHBlp2eB4kAItQQDaFp6AQ+Hi+Udky2Ss X0R5ladf9VO2lZ4xmkEh5H8bpXT+N6El6yiea7ED5CKUt5MiKtwGqhXSklHvLTi3 wPhY9zM0UCiTOlTZIhpnq4YD9UQkmo8wugfeiRp0lJZEKSCRBhc2C6daPpuM0CJ3 QBfRjDIfeyd+kp9eNNJKxH2Joo6dQdAydPQhaMbJmhuy4vJT4yBr1w== =Pej+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >There are a number of technical reasons why you really don't want to >call the standard commandline Ecash client from a script to >add/retrieve Ecash from Mixmaster remailer packets. The biggest >problem being that you can fit only a few coins into the packet >header as specified. There is no feature in the standard Ecash client >that allows coin level control. DigiCash firmly resited and continues >to resist adding it. A $0.25 payment could be paid as three coins or >as 25 coins. The user has no control over this. For this and a number >of other reasons, DigiCash's software is unsuitable for the task. I've thought about this and I don't believe that it is a brick wall. If the mixmaster remailers charged the smallest coin Mark Twain Bank issues, then you would always get one coin and it would fit into the packet. I'm guessing this is a penny. While this is not the ideal method for deciding pricing, it would certainly work. Even for larger amounts, there's probably a way to trick the Digicash software into giving you the coins you want. Let's say you are trying to generate a pile of certificates in a certain amount that have less than a certain size. If you keep withdrawing the money and redepositing it, you can keep the certificates which are the right size and throw back the ones that aren't. (You might have to find a way to shake things up by depositing and withdrawing various amounts.) There's probably a better way to do this. For instance, we might observe that every time ten dollars were withdrawn from the bank and a certificate was generated for 25 cents, it only used three coins. So, we withdraw ten dollars, issue a 25 cent certificate, put back the remaining amount, withdraw ten dollars, get another 25 cent certificate, etc. This is easily automated, of course. Question: Where is the coin issuing decision made? I assume that it is made in the client software. This, of course, is not under the control of Digicash or Mark Twain bank. Conclusion: Mixmaster remailers can probably use ecash with just a little more work. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDAGpJaWtjSmRH/5AQFSAwf/S5Y13DqoVvkjsmt6AM0IvqOvbNFmFOdf mAeQHGuLXmVQyR+YhWrP5aDb/CVyz/JXpVVH5oKSmxr6p9ocqC4Nvl9lzMS/22Pq GNwxfZopTYZJhwdoeA/zo9uQ8A4rHOueFiZ8GRr7oDa+/sA70H6FBbMzIig/UxsB hi9+cBFGx4VFIWJemcPiU+vL9lWfbTV997IrTrlJKRISjA4VuNqHuoNNbHnUa+J+ /O4aPBgEu4m1SW+FGAQuZoBlbQc7TkstdgpAEF5fGWXJL9SEVmhpkL2hcdOPP5Fl mZ8GuynaMwzGf/UeOVHTUPEPDAjfaqdwbCzStuTzR1QeN13l1Xa2HQ== =g3FG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alex de Joode wrote: >: Then Mr. Cantsin seemed to go back to the all you need are some >: spare parts theory of remailer operation. Enormous profits of $200 >: per month, or even $5,000 per year. Well, Cracker handles close to >: 25% of worldwide remailer traffic of it's kind[1]. And it's not >: much. I would say this is due mainly to the user interface. >: Making remailers more difficult to use by adding Ecash is not going >: to increase traffic significantly. > >Basicly most of those 3400 message cracker handles daily are cover >trafic,... How do you know this? If the remailer network works properly, you should not have any knowledge of this at all. >...a big chunk of the rest is from people "playing" around with >the remailer, then there are those few that needs some form of >anonimity so they can inform a mailinglist/postmaster/complaints >department, and then maybe once a week or so there is that message >that would be paid for if remailers were for pay. This is like saying we should only encrypt messages which are really secret. You should encrypt all of your messages - then nobody can tell when you have a secret. If you are arguing that nobody wants their security, I hope you are on the wrong list. Many of us have gone to great effort to get some security and to create tools for other people's security. It is hard to believe that it's worth a few nickels and dimes to us to expose our traffic to Big Brother or anybody else. >So in short, if remailers were to be paid for, traffic would halt. Only if implemented in a foolish way. Look, there's no need to say "my remailer is now a cash only remailer no others need apply". You can say, "people who pay cash get better service." Or even, "people who pay cash have a higher probability of getting better service." While I can't speak for the other remailer users, I certainly have no problem shoving a little money towards the remailers. Like many who read this list, I am not poor. I would like to be able to help defray the expense of my traffic. Hopefully other cypherpunks with jobs will feel the same way. The important thing is to get things rolling. Are the remailer operators going to get rich overnight? Maybe not. But we can definitely get some market activity going and start generating some real remailer traffic. Let me now note that this dialogue has been somewhat surreal. Am I really begging the cypherpunks to use ecash? It's a good idea to get ecash in now because it will be harder to incorporate payment methods later when there is more infrastructure to change. (Look at the mixmaster problem. It can't (according to Lucky) be used for ecash without modification.) However, it appears that part of the problem with the remailers is that nobody uses them. We should be making a concerted effort to do so, and not just for cpunk traffic. We should use them for everything. It won't take that many people to reduce the message delays substantially. It will also advertise the remailer network to our friends who may not yet be cypherpunks. The tools exist to do this. It is somewhat ironic that we complain that Joe Sixpack won't use tools that we will not (or even cannot) use ourselves. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNC/9MZaWtjSmRH/5AQGsgQf+N+EebBi8gSgAt9u7KlIjhRCj9KfWym1H VQjxEkJ8Q+8n/TE2PSc90RRm2OKFtUayuGtVRtGakkvL3t009r8JLWAe3YLmbGNB EkuvuvHT56/zkbcA6r9NeW5V7NsuYOsLHp34loaK76EURQJv6YhsFfvhzelg6kID VCk+PlKQnaKAj2i3irGNwPJmM4iDB5K/0/GwjVRuULGVYF1xxIrJ45823F/FwjHA ERxu8qZV0lmK3GaTYAKd5GNY1O7w/UWQ0xzBvXa+xEjssqbXqRE7mnG6hwVxyU8T JZYFLjYeHkxDIJvA5+syNDzV/+iOklTp9FMd0ODT7TWxfBQtKzamCw== =RQr+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert A. Costner wrote: >The only thing I have heard you mention is latency, which is a >feature programmed into the remailers. If anything, people would pay >to add latency, not to take latency away. And another point: Nobody wants to add latency. (There may be a few applications, but they are rare.) What people want is security and one way to get it (sometimes) is by adding latency to their messages. Ideally, you would send a message and it would arrive at its destination in milliseconds with complete security. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNC/2ppaWtjSmRH/5AQGFvwf9Gt0lk4arO8YxSJmShOLkl0tzlG9Xwel2 LODIapK7/LeiHZ8sFMDBSnFqWf9B6gdiTODRapW7EaUsQIn2B6yBYvP9voO31K31 gPqScyravExP8ctubqPzB0tRdmWM1fcUGFhH0aI4pZpFiCjt1g3R5x88PhJ4HV3Z a8J+Yq9gzKKm0X3qD9i9VcnPLRjJbLAmta1Vk6j/xm3bHlUHJbgynAyciblPVyCk pB6YdxHgwNT2e+i2RkRYEvBm3poiHEmaRh4hwHt14SgqT6mmC+VGjkA+j+52woyL NauD48mnEclO+Y973C+uOHfo7FBRmL/JFKiMh087SFjKv78fSu9BPg== =xzIZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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T1 insecurity (was Re: Remailers and ecash)
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to: > Once you have all the mail going in and out, you make use of the simple > fact that Type 1 messages must shrink with each hop. See the classic > essay "Mixmaster & Remailer Attacks" at > http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/remailer-essay.html This describes a pure Type 1 without a remix feature. This idea due to Andy Dustman allows Type 1 and 2 remailers on the same host to cooperate, hiding the message size and type. Another fault of pure Type 1 blocks when reused is that they are easily recognisable as the same stage of the same block on different occasions. You can do sneaky things with cutmarks, but it doesn't buy you much. You can point your reply blocks to a message pool, so avoiding the worst effects of Type 1. You still (even with mixmaster) have the timing issues involved with addresses that communicate regularly. > If you run a Type 1 remailer, do your users a favor: shut it down and > replace it with a Type 2. Say this when there's a good way to receive anonymous email. The sooner the better. Meanwhile all Type 1 remailers should remix. And as far as fitting ecash into headers is concerned: Ulf and I think that you could cannibalize the 2nd header to contain the cash. (We were talking about hashcash in fact.) You'd need to avoid sending cash to remailers that wouldn't read it, and you'd reduce the maximum number of hops permissible. I was meaning to add hashcash to these remailers. Lucky's persuaded me not to do it to t1. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: attack on marijuana and other plants: >> That should read: ... free of drugs that cannot be taxed or >> patented. > I have one of the red ribbons they give to school kids during DARE week. > It reads "Live healthy and drug free. Sponsored by Thrifty Drug Store". > > The analysis is obvious. A few drags...and I can see multiple ways out and beyond. So why all this heat on this harmless and rewarding substance? CM

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Re: Fwd: Re: Quor's cypher
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)REPLAY.COM: (21 Sep 1997) > This is a really nifty encryption program. It runs about half the speed > of rc4, but seems much more secure. > > --- Forwarded Message: > > From: quor(a)nym.alias.net > Subject: Re: tell me what you think of this... > > [snip] > > /* Qcypher.c */ > > [snip] Has anybody got anything good against this ? I can get about 1/32 of the state with a simple form of differential cryptanalysis, but can't see how to progress it beyond that. My attack takes a long chunk of known text and looks for repetition. ppppppppppppppp.11.pppppppppppppppppppppp ccccccccccccccc.22.cccccccccccccccccccccc When a two neighbouring p-c pairs are the same you can test whether they have the same value of a and b. (That is a_n == a_n+1 and b_n == b+n+1, a != b usually.) This involves 16 inputs to each byte - very cheap. What I really want next is to know "a". Because c is always known (it's only a counter) if you always knew "a" you'd have a handle on "b" because only 2 (predictable) elements of the state array change with each byte encrypted. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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PGP Key or Public Key Block
by ahoier＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Which do I put in my e-mails to the list my PGP KEY OR PUBLIC KEY BLOCK????????????????? The PGP Block I got off thr NET on some1's web site on this list and somebody gave me the PGP KEY!!!!!! Will that help???? Or do I use the Public Key to decrypt PGP Messages?? 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BTW, How _DO_ I decrypt messages (PGP)? Because I just Copy $ Paste the Keys to my letters because I dont have a PGP PROGRAM!!!!!!!!! Hope I didn't make a mistake!!!!!!!!! ADAM HOIER

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Ecash Remailer #1
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test of the first modern remailer to accept ecash. Sorry for the inconvenience. MC

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Stew Baker on SAFE
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Will Rodger we offer Stewart Baker's letter to the Chairman Bliley of the House Commerce Committee on the Oxley/Manton amendment to SAFE, sent just before the vote: http://jya.com/safe-baker.htm Compare it to his public analysis of the FBI technical assistance draft: http://jya.com/gak-baker.htm

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:37:58 -0400 > From: ghio(a)temp0120.myriad.ml.org (Matthew Ghio) > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash > Anonymity is one thing which you cannot have > without also giving it to others. This isn't strictly true. I can send an email from an anon account to my friend Bob. At this point I know who I am, I know who Bob is, Bob knows who Bob is, *but* Bob doesn't know who I am. Clearly I obtained anonymity without anyone else gaining it. The only time that complete anonymity is obtained is if both sender and recipient are using anon accounts. > In order for a remailer operator to afford himself the benefits of > anonymous communication by establishing and using a remailer, he must > allow others to use the remailer also. This is why it is economical > (for some people) to operate free remailers. Well a single user is going to make traffic analysis a bit simplistic. Though this reducion to absurdity does serve to make a clear point about anonymity and traffic level. Clearly large traffic flows are required to maintane the anonymity for any usable length of time. > It has been suggested that it would be possible to increase the number > of remailers by providing financial incentives to the remailer operators > in the form of a small fee per message relayed. While that tactic might > achieve its stated purpose, it would simeultaneously reduce the number > of remailer users to those who were willing to pay the fee. Only if the fee was something they would notice, milli-cent fees are not something most people will notice. I think you are unwittingly getting near the mark however. In short your comment about incentives to the operators, include in there the users and you have a winning combination. The question should be expanded thusly: What would motivate an average consumer to use an anonymous remailer? Clearly simple anonymity or writing nasty letters to Grandma anonymously are not going to motivate most folks irrespective of cost - they simply have no interest in such activities. So, the question becomes: What besides raising hell anonymously, laundering money, and defeating merchant purchase traffic analysis are commercial anonymous remailers good for?

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:33:31 +0200 (MET DST) > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > >Basicly most of those 3400 message cracker handles daily are cover > >trafic,... > > How do you know this? If the remailer network works properly, you > should not have any knowledge of this at all. Because if a remailer is working correctly for each incoming message n + 1 outgoing messages should be sent. Of those n + 1 messages, n are cover traffic and 1 is the actual outgoing traffic. It is clear that n should be larger than 1 to be effective. Therefore we know that at least half of the traffic out of a given remailer is cover there simply to waste our cpu cycles because the complexity of traffic analysis rises by the square of n (I believe, working from memory here). > This is like saying we should only encrypt messages which are really > secret. You should encrypt all of your messages - then nobody can > tell when you have a secret. This raises an intersting point. How would a remailer system be set up to handle encrypted email on both incoming and outgoing? In other words the sender would contact the remailer with a key set and the remailer would then send the results onward with individual recipients key sets. The only way I could figure out to solve this in my playing around was to have a key server that kept listings of all the parties keys. Is there a simpler way? I figure the key server should not be the remailer machine. > definitely get some market activity going and start generating some > real remailer traffic. Nobody expects to get rich but such an activity should at least be capable of recompensing its owner and operators in an acceptable manner. >From who and doing what? There has to be more than anonymous speech, laundering cash, and avoiding credit analysis. But what? > Let me now note that this dialogue has been somewhat surreal. Am I > really begging the cypherpunks to use ecash? No, at least not from my perspective. What we are asking is what we should be using it for? I certainly have very little I would say anonymously. I believe the best way to stay out of jail and reasonably secure is to be know by large groups of people who might lend sympathetic ears in times of need. I don't promote violence or unnecessary boat rocking, BUT (and it's a big one for me) I do expect those who I charge with certain duties to carry those duties out within the bounds of the contract we arranged. One aspect of this is that if the charge is very controversial and you are known to be vocal a gag order might be enforced. In such situations he who has already had their say is much better off because then people realize the impact clearly. Just consider the reaction to the Canadian criminal speech ban and the resultant web activity for a real world example. With that kind of press I can guarantee that the Canadians, even with their Draconian beliefs in civil rights, are not going to use that sort of tactic widely. Now here is a use for a <nearly> free anonymous remailer. > It's a good idea to get ecash in now because it will be harder to > incorporate payment methods later when there is more infrastructure to > change. (Look at the mixmaster problem. It can't (according to > Lucky) be used for ecash without modification.) > > However, it appears that part of the problem with the remailers is > that nobody uses them. We should be making a concerted effort to do > so, and not just for cpunk traffic. We should use them for > everything. It won't take that many people to reduce the message > delays substantially. It will also advertise the remailer network to > our friends who may not yet be cypherpunks. > > The tools exist to do this. Yes, but why would I? > It is somewhat ironic that we complain that Joe Sixpack won't use > tools that we will not (or even cannot) use ourselves. I don't buy a screwdriver to sit and fondle, I buy it to use on screws... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I, Monty Cantsin, will pay five dollars to the second operator of a remailer on Raph's list to give me a blow job. Offer expires October 29, 1997 C.E. Disputes are to be settled by Tim May. If Mr. May declines to participate, Monty Cantsin will decide. This is not a forgery by that Canadian asshole. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDB8J5aWtjSmRH/5AQHmswf+IqeuP8LPLjjcHZwAxAQbb8A7zRACpxYF ghfwjjHiBrPsGqZ8t4WRVJ7hB+wm/A8Jj2w52C7bFMxPHxadPqkoAO6J/KffyLhb geW0kY8IAxqKhkxXq7QwayrEz3OmvaOIMzFtD27EhHOOsQT1Yl6qGBtZi2ZyRliI 0H1tD5eSY/xK9A1y+biF7RMJ3xWyvvoaYH12J9O1tFT3e+9ccJxMbxyHNBjeOzD6 onRBola4CkSOjF2AA+PhhGH4u9C7LQ/CGDAViFkoScgPoieyJBWgQYRBBJP3Nv7u Tf3oqm7yt8s0rOiTBT5VRR7PzA5HaJCj/42KHkW1aAZnODtteZlg1g== =ijWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I, Monty Cantsin, will pay twenty-five dollars to the second operator of a remailer on Raph's list to get a machine up and running which accepts ecash as payment to forward a message. Offer expires October 29, 1997 C.E. Disputes are to be settled by Tim May. If Mr. May declines to participate, Monty Cantsin will decide. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDB8J5aWtjSmRH/5AQHmswf+IqeuP8LPLjjcHZwAxAQbb8A7zRACpxYF ghfwjjHiBrPsGqZ8t4WRVJ7hB+wm/A8Jj2w52C7bFMxPHxadPqkoAO6J/KffyLhb geW0kY8IAxqKhkxXq7QwayrEz3OmvaOIMzFtD27EhHOOsQT1Yl6qGBtZi2ZyRliI 0H1tD5eSY/xK9A1y+biF7RMJ3xWyvvoaYH12J9O1tFT3e+9ccJxMbxyHNBjeOzD6 onRBola4CkSOjF2AA+PhhGH4u9C7LQ/CGDAViFkoScgPoieyJBWgQYRBBJP3Nv7u Tf3oqm7yt8s0rOiTBT5VRR7PzA5HaJCj/42KHkW1aAZnODtteZlg1g== =ijWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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InfoWar 24 / The Geigerburg Text
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Lenin's Parrot * Circumstantial Truth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lenin's Parrot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. May pointed to the omelet that the orderly had placed in front of Arnold. "This is your mind without drugs." he told his favorite patient. The orderly took away the omelet and replaced it with a plate of scrambled eggs. "This is your mind on drugs." Dr. May continued. The orderly replaced the scrambled eggs with eggs 'over easy.' "This is your mind being sodomized by New York City Police CypherPunks!" The orderly grabbed Arnold and forced his mouth open, as Dr. May shoved the eggs into it and forced them down his throat with a toilet plunger. Arnold began gagging and choking, struggling to free himself, as the eggs hatched and turned into chickens, filling his mouth, throat and stomach with feathers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Good morning, Arnold." Melissa pulled his head out of the pillow and began cleaning the feathers out of his mouth. "It looks like you're having another fit. Have you been doubling up on your medication again?" Arnold stared blankly at the woman who was sitting on the edge of his bed, wiping his face clean from the combination of slobber and chicken feathers that made him look like an unholy mess. "Doctor Melissa!" Arnold shouted with joy. He couldn't remember where he knew her from, but he knew she was a good person-she was his friend. Melissa helped Arnold out of bed, straightening his pajamas with great concern for his appearance, knowing it would help him to retain his dignity. "You don't really remember who I am, do you Arnold." Doctor Melissa said, softly, eyeing him with great concern. "No." Arnold replied, truthfully. "Well," said Melissa, a widening smile breaking across her face, "do you remember Boot War III?" She kicked him in the groin as she shouted the words, sending Arnold falling to the floor, clutching at his private parts, which were in immense pain. Dr. Young entered the patient's room, smiling at Arnold's predicament. He turned to his fellow physician with a smile. "Good morning, Dr. Schultz. I see that you have welcomed Arnold back to our little family." Bending over to speak to the fallen Arnold, Dr. John Young spoke sternly to him, saying, "You know that you can't stay away from the 'Home For the Criminally Insane' for longer than your weekend pass permits. We have rules here, Arnold. This is not an anarchy, you know. This is a government facility." Dr. Young turned and left the room, motioning for Doctor Melissa to follow him. Arnold was beginning to remember Doctor Melissa, and how she was working at Nuthouse Number Nine, and then ran away with Bubba d'Shauneaux to join the Circle of Eunuchs, and now she was back here, kicking him. "You're a double agent!" Arnold said, bitterly disappointed and feeling betrayed. "Triple agent." Melissa whispered, slipping him his aluminum foil hat on her way out of the room. She locked the door behind her. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? the Lunatic had laid out all of the evidence he had gathered concerning the Circle of Eunuchs' subtle presence that wound a long and scattered trail throughout the media industry of the late 1990's. He found it hard to believe that The Real Guy expected him to go along with the plan to use evidence of the Magic Circle's influence on the mainstream media as 'proof' that there was no grand conspiracy by secret agencies to thwart the efforts of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists to shed light on the dark undercurrents that run throughout society and government, at every level. ? the Lunatic knew that he could provide a mountain of circumstantial evidence that would provide an outline of the visage of the Magic Circle which shone through the dark veil that the Evil One and his minions had thrown over reality through their manipulation of the mainstream media. But 'circumstantial evidence' only served as 'proof' for those who already believed. This was as true for Mike Tyson as it was for O.J. Simpson, as it was for Marv Albert. And for the Circle of Eunuchs, as well ? the Lunatic laughed like the psychotic maniac he truly was. He enjoyed being a madman. It gave one the freedom to let one's mind wander into the realm of forbidden thought, without guilt and without blame. "I'm a fucking lunatic!" he shouted to the electronic monitors on the ceiling above him. He knew 'they' were watching him. He knew that 'they' would only allow him to divulge those things that they approved of to the mass of humanity being imprisoned outside of the walls of the "Home for the Criminally Insane," where they could be controlled and manipulated by threatening them with the loss of their physical freedom. "The fools!" he shouted at the ever-present 'they' whose physicality lay at the end of the chain of electrons which they could use to spy on his body, but not on his mind. "They will call me 'mad' for telling them the truth, and you will call them 'fools' for hearing the truth and thinking it to be madness." "You use me, I know." ? the Lunatic whispered into the hidden instruments which were an open secret in the facility. "I wear the hat of madness," he said, tipping his aluminum hat to his covert companions, "and I dance the dance of the fool, for your amusement." he did a pirouette which turned into a curtsey as he reached behind his back and brought forth a bottle of "Bubba's Private Reserve" and a shotglass. "But I have my moments" ? the Lunatic said, with a sly wink, knowing that the watchers would be launching into a scurry of activity to consult their superiors about his possession of a forbidden substance. ? the Lunatic sat down in front of his keyboard, prepared to reveal all to those who had ears to hear, and eyes to see. He knew that he would be allowed his forbidden libation, just as he would be allowed his forbidden thoughts-for his captors needed the words of truth he would speak to serve as a threat to those who feared the freedom of imprisonment in the 'Home For the Criminally Insane.' His captors feared that if the masses did not hear the truth first, from a madman, that they might hear it from the Saints, from the voices of reason who were hiding on the outside, in the midst of the madness storming the land. On the far side of the rubber walls around him, ? the Lunatic knew that there existed a world in which Lenin's Parrot echoed the dangerous thoughts of the "People's Czar" in the music that he used to whisper forbidden socialist secrets to the children of the masses. But, within the boundaries of free thought where the words of truth bounced back to the ears of those who spoke them, Lennon's Parrot was a dirty bird who spoke the forbidden words that made their owner a threat to National Security and a target for surreptitious eyes and ears. "No matter how many times you throw me into the rubber room," ? the Lunatic spoke to his hidden captors, "I will always bounce back." He laughed maniacally and began to type rapidly, as if his very life depended upon completing the mission he had been assigned by forces beyond his reach, pleading with him to use his madness as a protective cover to spread the truth across the face of the earth, as the seeds of a madman who cared not whether they fell on barren or fertile soil, but only that they were spread far and wide, so that they might take root in the places where there were cracks and crevices in the wall of evil that had been built around the minds of mankind.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Circumstantial Truth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You didn't believe A Player To Be Named Later, did you?" ? the Lunatic said, as he typed, 'af;jdafkjeqruerjfurq2r09r9uriejroiureur' He would continue to type utter nonsense for hour after hour, as his monitors became dazed and confused, little understanding that his speech was for those who monitored him from a century in the future, capturing his thoughts and opinions in order to better understand the details of the history of the Magic Circle which lay at the foundation of their hope for a future in which their minds would find freedom and their bodies would live in liberty, beyond the tight grasp of the Evil One and the Dark Forces who strove to enslave them. "You can see through the deceptive trickery of his claims of precognition in releasing information in Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet' which would later be confirmed by independent sourcescan't you?" ? the Lunatic was speaking directly to the skeptics who he knew would be wracking their brains in order to find new ways to dismiss the growing mountain of evidence that the Magic Circle not only existed, but that it existed in every segment of society, leaving clues as to its existence laying in plain sight, but shrouded in parables and in allegory. "Presidents and Computer Gods don't involve themselves in the ranting of lunatics writing subversive manuscripts for secret societies claiming to be fighting for freedom from the Dark Forces existing as an undercurrent throughout the world of impersonal technology. Every one knows that" "It's a game. It's nothing but a game. The LMBoyd sampler must have been sent out before chapter 20 of 'InfoWar' was submitted to the CypherPunks mailing list. And if it wasn'twell, then whoever authored it must know somebody on the inside of the LMBoyd web sitesomeone who is working in collusion with him. "It's the rational explanation." ? the Lunatic smiled diabolically as he continued typing madly and speaking madness. "The rational explanation" he continued. "The rational explanation for the thinly veiled references to the Author throughout the entertainment media must be 'coincidence' and 'collusion.' It cannot be otherwise." "The references to him on Miami Vice could be the result of the Armadillo World Headquarters employee who went on to become their casting director. Likewise with the figure named C.J. Parker on Baywatch. "Parker is a common name," he continued, as if trying to convince himself, "and that would explain the characters named Parker in the X-Files, or was it Millenniumor was it both?" ? the Lunatic would leave this as an exercise for the reader, as the CypherPunks were so quick to say when challenging those reading their mailing list to learn to think and reason for themselves. "What about 'JAG'?" he asked himself, in a conspiratorial whisper, his mind sinking deeper and deeper into the dark waters of an ocean of paranoia which was capable of swallowing up the strongest of deep-thought divers who explored the underwater caverns of the subconscious mind. "Surely it couldn't be a Circle of Eunuchs project aimed at subliminally confirming the Author's claims of the existence of a secret arm of Navy intelligence which was working behind the scenes with groups such as the Circle of Eunuchs and the CypherPunks in order to defend the Constitution, and freedom itself, from the plans of a secret government to use the secret forces of the CIA and NSA to implement a New World Order in America and the rest of the free world." "No," ? the Lunatic continued, sarcastically, "it has to be just a coincidence that the lead actor is a Canadian, that the lead actress is named 'Bell,' that the Circle of Eunuchs' Bubba d'ShaunEAUX was connected to a comedy writer, Patrick LabyortEAUX, who worked with a Canadian confidante of the Author in 'Little House on the Prairie' and whose character in JAG bore the initials BR, as in Bubba Rom Dos. And, of course, the Admiral in the TV series was chosen without any regard for his relationship to the Author when he guest-starred in 'Northern Exposure.' "And, naturally," the madman smiled to those monitoring him, as he typed his insane nonsense onto his computer screen at an increasingly faster rate, "the reference to SOG in the CBS season premiere had nothing to do with the son of gomez." "No, it is all coincidence!" ? the Lunatic rose, with the bottle of "Bubba's Special Reserve" in his hand, waving it about as he spoke to the secret watchers, letting his madness take its ground. "Nor was the TV movie 'CLONED!' part of a Circle of Eunuchs warning about the secret activities of the underground Nazis portrayed in 'The Boys From Brazil' which intimated that cloning was possible, and gave details which were unknown to most scientists until years later. "No!" he roared at the ceiling and walls. "The name of the company doing the cloning in the movie, 'Nor'West', mirroring the name of the company the Author started the same year that 'The Boys From Brazil' was released-the 'Northwest Mountain Madness Company', whose motto was 'If we can do it, it can't be done" "Coincidence!" "The name of the mother of the dead child being cloned was, Skythe same as the name of the dead son of the Authorbut it was a coincidence, I tell you, a coincidence." "a horde of major armed forces figures suddenly resign or are shifted to non-sensitive positions-and the world hardly seems to notice." ? the Lunatic quoted from chapter 19 of 'InfoWar,' knowing that the 60 Minutes piece a few days later on the railroading of Air Force Lt. Col. Rogers and another Air Force intelligence agent named Julie Clemin would only be recognized by Magic Circle members as bearing the marks of the persecution of their secret initiates. No notice, no chance for self-defense, merely relieved of command and immediately transferred to a remote location with an office in a warehouse that contained no phone and no way of communicating with the outside world. A sham court-martial where he was charged with 'conduct unbecoming an officer,' for allegedly running over a cat with his vehicle, among other ludicrous charges. Finally convicted for walking on parked cars without causing any damage to them. "Yes, we the sheeple," ? the Lunatic shouted, as he sat down at his laptop and resumed typing nonsense, "the Air Force threw away a career officer with a million dollars invested in his training, for walking on parked cars. "Nothing unusual there! Everybody just go back to sleep." ? the Lunatic was beginning to nod out, himself. He could tell them moremuch, much more, but there was really no point in doing so. ? the Lunatic was tempted to tell the sheeple about Intel, but they would find out soon enough what the threats of anti-trust action were all about. Besides, if the sheeple couldn't follow the course of their future by reading the plain facts surrounding the issues of life and technology that were posted daily to the CypherPunks list, then it was unlikely they were capable of following the whispering thread of the Tao. ? the Lunatic hit his return key, knowing the flurry of activity it would cause in the monitoring room when his watchers discovered that they could not prevent his missive from going past their firewalls and into the outside world. It would be days before their experts, after working night and day in frenzied effort, would conclude that everything he sent was pure gibberish. He may be crazy, but he felt the warm glow of the world's finest bourbon washing over him, and he knew that he, unlike his watchers, was going to sleep peacefully tonight. Copyright "Anonymous TruthMonger <?thelunatic(a)dev.null>" "I may be crazy, but at least I'm not you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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InfoWar 24 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ElGamal
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[reep] May carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes. \|/ (*,*) Timothy C[reep] May _m_-_m_

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17 Dec '03

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WOW-COM Update
by Wow-Com Replies 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================= This update is sponsored by TESSCO http://www.wow-com.com/professional/whatshot/ ============================================================= Dear WOW-COM Reader: WOW-COM(TM) is the wireless industry's online information source, a free service of CTIA. Find out what's going on in the wireless industry by visiting http://www.wow-com.com/ today! INDEX: ====== 1) CTIA's WIRELESS FRAUD '97 GETS UNDERWAY IN ORLANDO, F.L.! 2) FCC ADOPTS NOTICE OF INQUIRY ON CALLING PARTY PAYS 3) CTIA's WIRELESS APPS '97 IS 27 DAYS AWAY. REGISTER ONLINE TODAY! CTIA's WIRELESS FRAUD '97 GETS UNDERWAY IN ORLANDO, F.L.!========================================================== http://www.wow-com.com/professional/fraud/ CTIA'S WIRELESS FRAUD '97, Orlando, FL, September 30 - October 2, 1997, is CTIA's WIRELESS FRAUD WORKSHOP AND PRODUCT SHOWCASE. Companies will exhibit high tech, crime fighting tools to help your corporation sustain its fraud containment efforts. Let WIRELESS FRAUD '97 prepare you - not just for today's threat, but tomorrow's. Log on to www.wow-com.com for up-to-the-minute product and service announcements directly from the show floor! Yesterday's fraud solutions may not solve tomorrow's problems. FCC ADOPTS NOTICE OF INQUIRY ON CALLING PARTY PAYS ========================================================== http://www.wow-com.com/professional/whatshot/ As expected, the FCC adopted a Notice of Inquiry examining Calling Party Pays (CPP) as an option for subscribers to Commercial Mobile Radio Services, and as a potential means of promoting competition with wireline carriers. All four of the Commissioners expressed support for the item, characterizing CPP as a "pro-competitive idea that deserves greater attention." Read about this and other Hot issues in WOW-COM's What's Hot. CTIA's WIRELESS APPS '97 IS 27 DAYS AWAY. REGISTER ONLINE TODAY! ========================================================= http://www.wow-com.com/professional/convention/ CTIA's Annual Convention & Exposition Focusing on Wireless Data and Applications will take place in Seattle WA at the Washington State Convention Center from October 27-29, 1997. It's people looking for business solutions to today's business problems and suppliers providing the real-world wireless applications they need. To find attendee registration information, exhibitor information, rates, and event schedules, log on to www.wow-com.com today! ============================= MORE WOW-COM(TM) FEATURES ============================= WOW-COM(TM) is current: Updated 3x per day. WOW-COM(TM) is insightful: CTIA's unbiased analysis WOW-COM(TM) is beneficial: Find products and services in WOW-COM(TM)'s Virtual Trade Show. List open positions in the WOW-COM(TM) Career Center, receive resumes via email and hire qualified individuals. The world of wireless is in constant motion. Stay on top of the news and benefit from CTIA's analysis by reading WOW-COM(TM) everyday. You may remove yourself from the WOW-COM(TM) mailing list by going to http://www.wow-com.com/unsubscribe ======================================================== This update sponsored by: TESSCO http://www.wow-com.com/professional/whatshot/ TESSCO, Your Total Source supplier to the Wireless Communications Industry. Tessco serves: *** Cellular Providers *** Paging and Personal Communications Service (PCS) Carriers *** Wireless Product Dealers and Installation Centers *** Self-maintained two-way radio end users They catalog and stock nearly 17,500 products from over 270 manufacturers - virtually everything needed to build, run or maintain a cellular, paging, PCS or two-way system. These products range from simple electrical tape to sophisticated spectrum analyzers, from tiny connectors to bulky cable.

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Re: Crypto Legality Question
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*My* understanding is that this is violation of United State law, irespective of Canada. But hell, IANAL. At 11:03 PM 9/29/97 +0100, Adam Back wrote: > > >Will Rodger <rodger(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: >> At 01:25 PM 9/29/97 +0000, Jim Burnes wrote: >> > >> >ACME corporation, a mostly Canadian outfit with a major >> >subsidiary in the US, wants to roll out corporate wide crypto. >> > >> >Most of their network operations are in the US except one >> >of their offices in Ireland. >> > >> >Question (1): Can they buy a strong crypto package in the >> >US and physically roll it out to both Canada and Ireland. >> >> Nope. Though Canada allows export of strong crypto generally, >> Canadians may not re-export US products once they enter the country. > >This is not the way I understand it. > >You can re-export strong crypto from Canada, you just have to inform >the appropriate Canadian government department that you have done so. > >So procedure is: 1) import software from US, 2) write appropriate >Canadian export department telling "I'm going to export blah to xyz >corp offices in Ireland", 3) export it. > >That is, there is a loop-hole, you don't have to ask permission for >export, you just have to inform them you're going to do it. (You >might want to check this out with a Canadian lawyer familiar with the >rules, and loop-holes). > >So you informed them. They can't do anything about it. They won't >like it, but they don't have to. > >I'm told Kerebos was exported by this route. US -> Canada -> UK. >100% legally. > >Adam >-- >Now officially an EAR violation... >Have *you* violated EAR today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ > >print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> >)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` > > > obligatory pgp key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 4.5 mQENAjMPX3sAAAEIAL8U6IqpMkqM3TcIqU/q7iot8pYk4ifVNaNlIYwwoYmPXH/T dabDzgkQg7h1QsEJU71Ze8EdHmKksfeBEVppJV6X9SyzpFOCgrI/Qr7hMbxnecci SVk2/B2lf4tUPuqm/DGRfAUcd4iG7Gjhw5GRh9Us/jrEtkqr3iIES+9pSNvrEsgB xYYR39eaYwe0gheExaO7vtvDDPUM7C3spbcnwOyLCpURpLCAMHUO8DQc2FO/fN4z TqqIFOect2ea4LYHr0o29RrtY9J85lQj3df8LQvIJWjwzAFfBqOU1KUdXqTayzUj rvY4ZL/1vhTJ5QmlBJ6ognqwk7PVN0SesspU2okABRG0IGdyZWdnIHBlcnNvbmFs IDxnZWVtYW5AYmVzdC5jb20+ =H0bC -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate writes: >What would motivate an average consumer to use an anonymous remailer? > >Clearly simple anonymity or writing nasty letters to Grandma anonymously are >not going to motivate most folks irrespective of cost - they simply have no >interest in such activities. So, the question becomes: > >What besides raising hell anonymously, laundering money, and defeating >merchant purchase traffic analysis are commercial anonymous remailers good >for? Well, maybe the avenue to pursue isn't the average consumer, but the average employee. I don't doubt that at least some companies are under email traffic analysis by their competitors (and/or their competitor's governments) to get a clue about future directions for their products. I could see where many (eventually most) companies would send email to each other using remailers, so that only the companies involved know that they communicated with each other. Internet email doesn't provide the same level of privacy that snail mail, phones, and faxes do now. With the use of remailers, Internet email could provide more privacy than snail mail, phones, or faxes. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Till Debt Do Us Part, cost of the CDA, from Netly
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

************ http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1452,00.html The Netly News September 30, 1997 (http://netlynews.com/) Till Debt Do Us Part by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Ever since challenging the Communications Decency Act in early 1996, the two coalitions that filed the lawsuit have appeared unbeatable. Not only did a Philadelphia court rule that the law violated the Constitution's guarantees of freedom of speech, but the Supreme Court unanimously agreed in June. Now one group's string of victories may be ending. The Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), which organized the high tech lawsuit, may lose its final battle: getting reimbursed nearly $600,000 for money spent on lawyers. Under federal law, only nonprofit groups or corporations worth less than $7 million can request attorney's fees after successfully challenging an unconstitutional law. The Department of Justice claims that since such wealthy firms as America Online, Microsoft, Apple and CompuServe paid for much of the lawsuit, CDT should not be reimbursed. The government has asked for four months to investigate, charging in court papers that "other entities actually bore the costs of the litigation and merely funneled money through" CDT. In other words, if Microsoft had hired the lawyers, Bill Gates couldn't get reimbursed. The DoJ claims that Microsoft "funneled" the cash through CDT, which then turned around and asked Uncle Sam for a check. CDT opposes the government's request for additional time. Documents filed in Philadelphia district court last Friday show that the money raised was from a broad coalition of groups, not all of which expect reimbursement, says CDT's director, Jerry Berman. "Maybe all the money doesn't qualify, maybe we can't get all of it back. But certainly the small associations, CDT's money and the library money ought to come back." A major contributor to the lawsuit (and the lead plaintiff) was the American Library Association and the related Freedom to Read Foundation, which spent $475,000. The total costs of the lawsuit, though, ballooned to more than $1.3 million, and CDT still needs to raise $200,000. (CDT can't ask to be reimbursed for the full amount since its attorneys charged much more than the $130 an hour the law sets as an upper limit.) Even as CDT faces a tough struggle, the American Civil Liberties Union -- which led a coalition of nonprofit groups in a separate but coordinated lawsuit -- is optimistic about recovering roughly $400,000 in expenses. "[The law] was exactly intended to encourage organizations like the ACLU Foundation, which was set up to handle these kinds of cases on behalf of people who don't have the resources to handle these cases themselves," says Barry Steinhardt, the ACLU associate director. Unlike the CDT coalition -- which employed a law firm and was funded by outside groups -- the ACLU used its own lawyers and money and has been reimbursed for similar lawsuits before. Last Friday the ACLU filed court documents saying it was eligible for attorney's fees and arguing against delaying its request past mid-October. If CDT receives attorney's fees, the group says it first will use the money to settle outstanding bills owed to the Washington law firm of Jenner & Block, which has capped its fees at $1.1 million. "Other than payments to Jenner & Block (and possibly to the ALA), all proceeds will be used by [CDT ] to further the general goals of... protecting free speech on the Internet and empowering families who are using the Internet to protect their children from material they judge inappropriate," CDT deputy director Danny Weitzner says in court documents. At issue here is the relationship between CDT, the lawsuit's funders and the Citizens Internet Empowerment Coalition, a project of CDT. The Justice Department has asked the CDT plaintiffs to respond to 40 pages of detailed questions and requests to turn over documents. "The existence and nature of the fee arrangements among the plaintiffs is critical to determining whether ineligible parties are the real parties in interest," the government says. The "ineligible" parties who helped out: America Online ($130,000), CompuServe ($50,000), Microsoft ($75,000), Netcom ($10,000), and Prodigy ($75,000). Even if CDT and the ACLU can show they qualify for a check, they have one more hurdle to leap: to show the Justice Department was wrong to defend the CDA as constitutional. You might think that after enduring 18 months of humiliating defeats in two district courts and the Supreme Court, the Clinton administration might be willing to throw in the towel and admit the law was brain-dead from the beginning. You'd be wrong. Unbelievably, the government claims it was correct to argue all the way to the Supreme Court that the CDA did not violate the First Amendment. Says the Justice Department, "Defendants will demonstrate that their defense of the CDA was substantially justified and that plaintiffs' requests for fees should be denied on that basis alone." ### ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: remailer latencies
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty, Just so you know that the less-than-100-percent message rate doesn't necessarily mean that messages are getting lost: Last update: Tue 30 Sep 97 15:09:32 EDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org -----------+ 3:31:14 100.00% It's a fluke; I just happened to look at this list (by fingering rlist(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu) while I'd been on the net for a while, and so no messages were in transit. Mere seconds later, the EFGA list showed my uptime as 99.97% and Raph's list showed a meager 94.08% (it looks like somewhere, about three days ago, messages got dropped somehwere). On balance, the remailer network is rather more reliable than you seem to give it credit for. (Side note: the more reliable remailers, with bureau42 being a notable exception :) tend to be faster too. The top remailers as of _right_now_ all have reliability above 99.90% and delay times less than twenty-five minutes. Chain a few of those together and your message will almost certainly arrive in less than an hour. Few would argue that that's an unacceptable delay. Messages routinely take longer than that to be delivered, due to random nameserver burps and other "normal" factors.) dave (bureau42 gearhead)

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