December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fucking Deadbeats!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw on the news today that the Canadian Federal Bank (whatever it is called) decided to raise interests rates recently, because they were afraid that the economy was becoming "too robust." Would anyone like to bet that this little tidbit of information is not likely to help those who Unemployment Insurance Commission workers call deadbeats because they can't find a job? TruthMonger

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Re: Quor's cipher
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ghio(a)temp0126.myriad.ml.org (Matt Ghio) writes: > What about this: > If (a+b)^(a0+b0) == 0, then the plaintext is the same as the ciphertext. > This happens for one out of every 256 bytes. Ordinarilly this isn't a > problem, but if the key is reused, and there is no IV, it can leak a byte > of plaintext. > So it seems that you would need to change the key for each message, or at > least use a random initialization vector. How are you planning to detect which bytes are passed in this way ? Chosen plaintext attacks would do it, and show where (a+b)^(a0+b0) == 0. Looks like you've just doubled our progress. If the key is reused with a different message I don't think there's a weakness. An IV is a good idea, but aren't we _attacking_ this thing ? I've grabbed a few search-engine hits and not read them yet. I'll be looking for clues there. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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Nice quote
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone might find this quote useful for a signature... "Anybody thats asking for privacy must be doing something interesting." Stanford AI Lab (SAIL) Hacker, Don Woods

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Re: Regulate them to 'double-death'...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > No, instead, Canadian students terrorize each other with old-fashioned > > forms of violence, like at Cole Harbor high school in Newfie'land, where > > they use baseball bats to keep the niggers in line, and in Montreal, > > where four teenagers have been driven to suicide in the last few weeks > > by the 'taxing' they have endured from the youth gangs that roam the > > subways. > > Perhaps Canada needs 'more' regulation... > Canada ia not perfect, no country is, but men and women typically feel > safe enough to walk the streets alone at night. The same is true of most places, even the ones known as being dangerous enclaves of the 'bad' people. The fact is, those who live in any given area generally do not feel too threatened when going out and about in 'their' part of town. I spend time in the areas of Regina, Saskatchewan and Oakland, California, that most of the 'regular' folk avoid. I have seen people shot and stabbed in both places, but I feel safe enough to walk those streets alone. I have been robbed a couple times in both areas, and have given up the cash I was holding, even when I was armed much better than those robbing me. I didn't feel like killing them. > Racial hatred is not accepted in the communities at large Kiss my ass. Racial discrimination is not *recognized* in the communities at large. I like to use the word 'nigger' as often as possible in Berkeley, California, (a prison for the politically correct) just because it pisses all of those oh-so-liberal hypocrites who shit their pants when a black person moves into *their* neighborhood. I like to use the word 'wagon-burner' in Regina when dealing with social workers who use the politically correct term, Native Canadian while they discriminate against the 'wagon-burners' in every possible way. > nor is wife-beating. Joke heard in a Canadian Bar at 11:37 pm, Sat. Oct. 3, 1997: Q: "What do you call a woman with two black eyes? A: "Nothing. She's been told *twice* already!" > The fact that you list all the newsworthy examples of teen violence speaks > volumes onto itself. No. The fact that I did not list the 'volumes' of examples of teen violence in Canada is newsworthy. > The typically Canadian gun owner uses it for one of two purposes; the > most common usage is 1) sport hunting 2) target shooting - I have used a > gun many times, never towards a living being. Sounds like the typical *American* gun owner. Canadians whack out fewer people with weapons than Americans, but so do people in prison. Go figure... Canada does not have the magnitude of problems that the US has because there are only about 20 million people in the whole goddamn country, and there are not nearly as many hugely populated cities. As well, Canadians spend a great amount of their time huddled inside their igloos during the year, and are too busy trying to keep warm to spend much time murdering their fellow citizens. Got to run. I'm a cop, and I haven't beaten up my quota of wagon-burners for the day. CanuckMonger

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Re: cypherpunks-e@htp.org list explodes!
by yt＠htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey bill... sorry about the mess. We were just trying to set up a local japanese dist of cypherpunks. same content. I've made it one way.... for the local discussion, cypherpunks-j is where it is at, but it in in Japanese. Sorry about the trouble. yt

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by JN 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Jes' Fishin' / Re: Stronghold (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) > > Subject: Re: Stronghold > > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > > It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real > > troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was > > behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. > > I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from > > the Cypherpunks mailing lists. > > You sir are an unmittigated ass and more than a tad immature and selfish. I was just trolling on a sunny Sunday afternoon, not really caring if I caught anything. However, Jim is too small-minded, so I think I'm going to have to throw him back. Jes' Fishin'

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Dimitri: > Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using > the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or > inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information he may have in regard to their product. Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. If Ray Arachelian sues Dimitri for libel, I will start wondering just how many people he has, indeed, murdered. (Nothing personal, Ray, but are you *sure* that stain on your tie is ketchup?) ToothMonger "Take a byte out of slime."

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri007 wrote: >It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real >troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was >behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. >I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from >the Cypherpunks mailing lists. Heh, do me! Forcefully unsubscribed means *plonk* -- not seen much lately but once frequently wanked here. Troublemaking is the very essence of this cypherjerk joint, no? Does anyone but me remember that the whole Vulis, moderation, censorship, Stronghold shit started with Tim dissing Dimitri by mocking the [spit] locution (or that's when I first paid attention to the thread -- Tim's and Dimitri's rude humor slurs are their best shots). Dimitri then getting pissed at the dis (or faking it), then counter-assaulting Tim with multiple personalities, then both master peronnae-fakers going at each other through clones, acolytes and yes-bossers to capture the other's reputation capital, both operatically yodelling innocence unfairly ravaged, both raging with highest of principles at the accusations of come-fuck-me-darling lowest-level behavior. Anonymic and pseudonymic chaff flooded in and jammed the putative brilliant list signal. Seeing an opening for righteous evangelism, other high-minder fakirs intervened to protect the list's pristine virtue with prophylatic measures, which leaked, were malfitting, or were rejected by all-natural studs and mares lusting for unmediated self-abuse. Whores spitting at whores, male and female and crossovers it was, and is. Recall these periodic pitbull fights instigated with Tim by those foolish to challenge him, those who think there are limits to all-natural sex. Great liars, the Net's multiple personna double-cross-addressers . Whose willing to bet that Tim and Dimitri, their adherents, are not in bed with, may even be the same as, the Totos, the Mongershitters, the who? None of this compares to meisterwerk slurring which heavenly rents this forum.

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RE: counter-intuitive -- spam is good for you. anonymous assholes are your friend
by Phillip Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Friday, October 03, 1997 4:02 AM, Attila T. Hun [SMTP:attila@hun.org] wrote: > law enforcement did not deterred the hacks on the state department, > the FBI, and even the CIA. I dont advocate the hacks, but it is > amusing to watch the great watchdogs of security take a hit. Since I have no responsibility for either site I don't much care Actually neither has responsibility as a security watchdog, that is the NSA's job. > with your spoiled brat rantings, you make your site as tempting as > some of the other nose tweakers who need a serious attitude adjustment Actually I think you are the spoiled brat. If you had any real experience of computer security you would know who I am and who I work with. One of the principles of propaganda is reflection - poor propagandists accuse others of their own faults. My guess is that Attila is a sixteen year old schoolkid who thinks that downloading PGP and reading Bruce's book makes him a security expert. The real complacent folk are the ones that put their trust in cargo cult readings of Bill Morris. Phill

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 4 Oct 1997 21:48:23 -0500, Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >After the ordinance was passed, there was one >violent crime the first year, and three the next. There it is. Absolute Proof!!!! After everybody finally got those dreadful guns, there was a 300% increase in the murder rate. Guns are evil. Ban them now!!! (Just an example of what people do with statistics these days.) -- Phelix ps. Here's the entire paragraph: Before Kennesaw, Georgia passed its famous (or infamous) ordinance requiring each household in the city to own a gun and allowing concealed carry of firearms, it had an average of 25-27 violent crimes (murder, armed robbery, etc) per year. After the ordinance was passed, there was one violent crime the first year, and three the next. The gun control shills in the press reported this as a tripling in the violent crime rate. Since the state of Florida passed a "shall issue" concealed carry law (if you apply, pay the fee, pass the safety course, and are not a felon or mentally incompetent, the state shall issue you a concealed carry permit) it has experienced significant reductions (10-20%) in the rates of murder, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes. Even in England and Scotland, this inverse relationship between private gun ownership and violent crime can be demonstrated, according to Colin Greenwood, retired chief of the West Yorkshire Constabulary and criminology researcher since the sixties.

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Re: Stronghold
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > >John Young wrote: >> Dimitri: >> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using >> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or >> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. > >Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post >anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, >without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently >unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information >he may have in regard to their product. >Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their >product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to >take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations >of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. > Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly simplistic here? -- Phelix

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <343b60e7.102167602(a)128.2.84.191>, phelix(a)vallnet.com writes: }On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: } }> }>John Young wrote: }>> Dimitri: }>> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using }>> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or }>> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. }> }>Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post }>anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, }>without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently A "public announcement" by the proven liars at C2 doesn't constitute a release from liability and wouldn't do much, legally, to protect Vulis from harrassment lawsuits. C2 can turn around and sue Vulis anyway. "So, I lied. Again." - Sameer }>unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information }>he may have in regard to their product. }>Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their }>product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to }>take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations }>of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. }> } }Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly }simplistic here? If someone other than Vulis (me, for instance) published the Stronghold backdoor (widely known by now) via an anonymous remailer, then Sameer Parekh could still sue Vulis for having discovered it first, or to "make example" of him, and to intidimate other security experts who are aware of Stronghold's many holes. For example, Sandy Sandfort, Parekh's marketing director, wrote to Vulis: } ... we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back }your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a }cocksucker ... C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The BackdoorMonger

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 > > On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > > >If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers is > >n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as it gets > >longer. > > Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it doesn't > wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication to me.... Course you can look at it another way as well. Which would mean you would have 1 failure every 10th of a year. That's division, and also misleading because failures don't care about the time period, they may happen all at once. Depends on how you look at MTBF, I generaly look at it the first way because I can use addition if I'm working on a system that don't have multiplication (eg machine code on a 68HC11) that way I don't have to build some damn floating poing library to do division ... Statistics, damn statistics, and lies. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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testing 1 2 3
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bleh

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by linia32＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri and Cloned Anonymees continued the rotten-egging of Stronghold faults: If there's a fault in Stronghold, expose it, in detail, for merely proclaiming there is, is sour grapes commercial knocking of a superior product, or worse, evidence of complicity with those dark forces who want to prevent global spread of strong products. Sniff that rhetoric. It's the same old Backdoor gossip, as with PGP (freeware version, not the latest Freehware, which is evil, evil, how could you Phil?). Using the threat of a lawsuit as grounds to prevent disclosure is shrewd way of avoiding having to document an allegation. Dimitri, you're one smart son of a bitch, and my hat off to your genius at the dirty business of defamation, no holds barred. Defaming an eating-your-lunch competitor is fair play, as C2 shows how to call your bluff with a bullshit legal bluff. Anybody with a reliable info on a hidden backdoor in Stronghold or Dimitri or me, as with PGP, should get the evidence out for verification. Otherwise, such ranting is just trash talk of the bluffing game. Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. And I'm eager to rotten-egg it onward.

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Re: Stronghold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: | C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to | an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may | be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the | presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The information regarding the security flaws in Stronghold comes at a pretty dear price currently. With the increasing value of this type of information in the corporate underworld, the bugs and backdoors in security software that are revealed to the world make up only a small portion of those that are known to exist by those who have the funds to purchase them. For every free spirit who publishes a security flaw, there are a dozen enterpreneurs who recognize the value of the information they hold. MoneyMonger

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the > legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old > toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots > to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a > phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky > junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved > by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from the Cypherpunks mailing lists. YoungMonger

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Re: Quor's cipher
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Antonomasia <ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> wrote: > This cypher is constructed differently from RC4 or fish - not as simple as > WAKE but broadly comparable to Sapphire II. I think I'll enlist the help > of a search engine. It's more than likely there other things waiting to > be done to this. It seems to be roughly a cross between a stream cypher and a block cypher. Search engine turned up absolutely nothing on this. > Quor's friend 'nobody' has actually put some crypto on > the list -let's see what we can do with/to it. An actual crypto post on a cryptography list? How unusual.... ;-)

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ISDN status - intermittent
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just a quick head-up.... The ISDN is going up and down today, there are several SWBT trucks in the neighborhood. My suspicion is that they are working on the trunk line throw from the N. Lamar station to the one on Duval behind the church. If this is the problem then it should go stable (or go dead because of another documentation error like last time) sometime this afternoon. Sorry for any inconvenience. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Stronghold (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) > Subject: Re: Stronghold > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real > troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was > behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. > I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from > the Cypherpunks mailing lists. You sir are an unmittigated ass and more than a tad immature and selfish. I will not forcefully unsubscribe anyone from the SSZ node unless cops start showing up at my door giving me shit, in which case the node might go down (hopefully temporarily). I may not like what he did but I'll be damned if I'll go back on my beliefs in free speech just because you or I don't like it. You want freedom, learn to give it even when it hurts. Grow up and learn to deal with it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Pretty Good Piracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone has a copy of Viacrypt's Pretty Good Prying, it would be nice if they would make it available to those who want to get to work finding out how to best sabotage it. I am not against Viacrypt producing surveillance software for those who want it, but I resent their perversion of a product whose reputation capital is the result of the integrity and effort of a great many people whose interests lie in privacy, not in surruptitious surveillance. I can guarantee that any system I have access to which contains this twisted sister of PGP will have my hand up its dress, playing with its private parts. What is ViaCrypt's marketing plan? "Make sabotaging the security of your system a badge of honour among the elite of the computer security industry. Buy mis-represented PGP." "You need not fear our product having been sabotaged by privacy purists within ViaCrypt, because we fired all the people with integrity." "We stole the reputation, but we wouldn't steal your information." "It's not GAK. I was just clearing my throat." "Tired of the employees banging your wife...?" RottsaRaffsMongel

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MTBF
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, MTBF is usualy given as a single number, number_of_base_time_units from initial turn-on to 1st failure given no power downs or other interruptions. This is effectively of the form number_of_base_time_units/failure. This is clearly equivalent to number_of_failures/base_time_unit for practical use. Especialy considering that in this form you generaly don't ever need to do a division as you do if you use the first form. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/97 1:18 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >> Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) >> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 >> >> On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this >> wisdom: >> >>>If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers >>>is n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as >>>it gets longer. >> >> Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it >>doesn't wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. > >Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... > >If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 >systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication >to me.... Maybe I have been away from hardcore engineering for too long, but last time I checked MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) is measured in time (seconds, minutes, hours etc) not in failures per year that would be called 'failure rate' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDf4WMdZgC62U/gIEQJy/QCeKTFBl+4yLC4mDnr/32uh8w8rbLsAn086 Y+veBvWn4ULlxuJBT0+Bun4N =7xHN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "One of the deep mysteries to me is our logo, the symbol of lust and knowledge, bitten into, all crossed with in the colors of the rainbow in the wrong order. You couldn't dream of a more appropriate logo: lust, knowledge, hope, and anarchy." -- Gassee - Apple Logo

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