December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

David Kahn on National Encryption Policy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was published in the October 22 Congressional Record as part of a statement by Senator Moynihan on the retirement of NSA Deputy Director William Crowell: [From Newsday, Oct. 6, 1997] National Security Official Retires--Helped Refocus Agency's Aims (By David Kahn) The National Security Agency has said goodbye to its retiring deputy director, who largely brought the super- secret spy organization into its public, post-Cold War posture. William P. Crowell was the force behind the establishment of the National Cryptologic Museum, which exhibits what had been some of the nation's deepest secrets; the revelation of the VENONA project, which broke Soviet spy codes early in the Cold War; and the National Encryption Policy, which seeks to balance personal privacy with national security. Succeeding Crowell will be Barbara McNamara, who, like Crowell, is a career employee of the agency, which breaks foreign codes and makes American Codes for the United States government. McNamara is the second female deputy director of the agency. The first, Ann Z. Caracristi, who served from 1980 to 1982, is the sister of the late Newsday photographer Jimmy Caracristi. More than 500 present and past members of the agency attended Crowell's recent retirement ceremony at its glossy, triple-fenced headquarters at Fort Meade, Md. They applauded as he was presented with awards for his intelligence and executive services and with a folded American flag that had flow over the agency. They laughed as a picture, claimed to be his retirement portrait, was unveiled: It was a photograph of Crowell, notorious for his love of motorcycles, astride his fancy bike. During his acceptance speech, Crowell choked up when he thanked his wife, Judy, a former agency employee and fellow motorcyclist, for her help. The agency director, Air Force Lt. Gen. Kenneth Minihan, recited some of the administrative landmarks of Crowell's career. Crowell, 58, a native of Louisiana, began in New York City in 1962 as an agency recruiter. In 1969, when he sought an assignment to operations, he became instead an executive assistant to the then-director. He eventually got to operations, where he rose to be chief of W group, whose function remains secret, and then chief of A group, which focused on the then-Soviet Union. After a year in private industry, he rose through other posts to the deputy directorship on Feb. 2, 1994. Among his organizational accomplishments were conceiving a crisis action center and linking the agency with other producers of intelligence to improve information exchange. His more public initiatives included the museum and the VENONA disclosures, which sought to maintain public support for the agency after the disappearance of the Soviet Union. The National Encryption Policy seeks to enable the agency to read the messages of terrorists and international criminals who use computer-based, unbreakable ciphers while enabling individuals to use good cryptosecurity to preserve such rights as security on the Internet. ---------- See Moynihan's statement: http://jya.com/nsa-crowell.htm

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17 Dec '03

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Senator Lott on Encryption
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt below of statement on encryption policy by Senate Majority Leader Lott published in the October 21 Congressional Record. Full statement at: http://jya.com/lott-crypto.htm (12K) ---------- Senator Lott: During the past month, the FBI has attempted to change the debate by proposing a series of new mandatory controls on the domestic sale and use of encryption products. Let me be clear. There are currently no restrictions on the rights of Americans to use encryption to protect their personal financial or medical records or their private e-mail messages. There have never been domestic limitations, and similarly, American businesses have always been free to buy and use the strongest possible encryption to protect sensitive information from being stolen or changed. But now, the FBI proposes to change all that. The FBI wants to require that any company that produces or offers encryption security products or services guarantee immediate access to plain text information without the knowledge of the user. Their proposal would subject software companies and telecommunications providers to prison sentences for failure to guarantee immediate access to all information on the desktop computers of all Americans. That would move us into an entirely new world of surveillance, a very intrusive surveillance, where every communication by every individual can be accessed by the FBI. Where is probable cause? Why has the FBI assumed that all Americans are going to be involved in criminal activities? Where is the Constitution? And how would this proposal possibly help the FBI? According to a forthcoming book by the M.I.T. Press, of the tens of thousands of cases handled annually by the FBI, only a handful have involved encryption of any type, and even fewer involved encryption of computer data. Let's face it--despite the movies, the FBI solves its cases with good old- fashioned police work, questioning potential witnesses, gathering material evidence, and using electronic bugging or putting microphones on informants. Restricting encryption technology in the U.S. would not be very helpful to the FBI. The FBI proposal won't work. I have talked with experts in the world of software and cryptography, who have explained that the technology which would provide compliance with the FBI standard simply does not exist. The FBI proposal would force a large unfunded mandate on our high technology firms, at a time when there is no practical way to accomplish that mandate. Rather than solve problems in our export policy, this FBI proposal would create a whole new body of law and regulations restricting our domestic market. This and similar proposals would also have a serious impact on our foreign market. Overseas businesses and governments believe that the U.S. might use its keys to computer encryption systems to spy on their businesses and politicians. Most U.S. software and hardware manufacturers believe this is bad for business and that nobody will trust the security of U.S. encryption products if this current policy continues. In fact, this proposal appears to violate the European Union's data-privacy laws, and the European Commission is expected to reject it this week. So, the FBI proposal would: Invade our privacy; be of minimal use to the FBI; would require nonexistent technology; would create new administrative burdens; and would seriously damage our foreign markets. This is quite a list. Mr. President, the FBI proposal is simply wrong. I have learned that even the administration does not support this new FBI proposal. So why does the FBI believe it must now subject all Americans to more and more surveillance? This independent action by the FBI has created confusion and mixed signals which are troublesome for the Senate as it works on this legislation. Perhaps the FBI and the Justice Department need to focus immediately on a coordinated encryption position. Mr. President, I congratulate the members of the House Commerce Committee for rejecting this FBI approach by a vote margin of more than 2 to 1. -----

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Re: US Senator Lott Criticizes FBI Crypto Plans (fwd)
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Senator Lott says: >Where is probable cause? Why has the FBI assumed that all Americans are >going to be involved in criminal activities? Where is the Constitution? Bravo, Senator Lott! It is a pleasure to hear a Senator speak out against the FBI's plans. Plus he is basing it on the Constitution as well as practical problems. So many Senators become mouthpieces for the FBI. What a pleasant difference. Senator Lott's words deserve to be widely heard. Let us remember that not everyone in the government is in Louis Freeh's pocket. With people like Senator Lott we can still be confident that Louis Freeh's Big Brother plans can be stopped. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Elliptic Curve Cryptography
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is Elliptic Curve Cryptography a better encryption system than RSA ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: ADMIN: lost messages (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jeff Barber <jeffb(a)issl.atl.hp.com> > Subject: Re: ADMIN: lost messages (fwd) > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) > I understand this rationale. It isn't a rationale, its reality. This view is not moderated by political or ideological beliefs but the harsh reality that things don't work the right way all the time. > But that doesn't explain what's > happening to the missing messages. Your implied base assumption is that the reason is always the same. I seriously doubt it. > Is there a flaw in the > distributor/reflector duplicate-filtering algorithms? The process is so simple it ain't funny. I believe, but won't guarantee it, that we are all using a procmail script to remove duplicate messages, and that is all the 'distributor/reflector duplicate-filter algorithms' there is. Unless one of the other repeaters is doing something more complicated they haven't said. In short, you are under the misconception that this is something special, it ain't. SSZ receives traffic from the other remailers at cpunks(a)ssz.com, just a normal user account, which has the procmail script filtering duplicates. It then forwards to cypherpunks(a)ssz.com, which is the majordomo managed list. cpunks(a)ssz.com as well as the rest of the subscribers get their traffic from here. If the procmail breaks then I get a mail loop at SSZ and my box fills up and lets me know pretty quickly something is broke because majordomo recognizes this through the X-loop: and kills them in that case as well as sending postmaster (me) all kinds of nifty hints. The other sites in this case still filter duplicates so things still don't run away. >From my end to add another node is to put it in the procmail script for outbound and have them add cpunks to their outbound list. > Or is this > a problem of certain messages being introduced into a node whose > product does not get propagated to all subscribers of all the other > nodes? Sounds good to me...<shrug> > Or are you saying that if ssz (say) goes down for a few > minutes it forgets about any mail it has queued up for its > counterparts at cyberpass and algebra (et al.)? No, SSZ has full inbound and outbound traffic queing for up to 4 days or the hard drive fills up here and at my ISP. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps The ISDN was apparently moved to a new pair. It seems rock solid at this point...time will tell.

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CDR Operators & interaction...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have received a couple of pieces of mail that concern me. The content seems to indicate that people have one or both of two basic misconceptions about the CDR: - The operators do not communicate between ourselves unless one of us begins to recieve duplicates or other indications of problems at another site. Outside of that we simply don't communicate. - I am NOT in any way the moderator, central clearing house, or in any other manner concerned with the operation of the 'network' of remailers. I operarate SSZ as a home-based business and the CDR is motivated by my personal interest in the various issues as well as the fact that it costs nothing extra for me to carry. The remailer network was initialy instituted by Igor and myself in order to keep the Cypherpunks mailing list alive after the toad.com announcement that the mailing list was going away due to the various issue related to the moderation experiment. The entire point was to create a system such that it was simple and could not be compromised by any single operator. Furthermore, if you or anyone you know is interested in joining the CDR as a remailer node, archive site, mail-news gateway, etc. then send a message to the list requesting the various operators for feeds. SSZ has a standing invitation to anyone who desires to have a full-time participant. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Did you taken part in a key crack?
by Trei Family 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm giving a presentation at the RSA Data Security Conference in January, 1998. The title is "Key Cracking for fun and Profit: The Year in Review". The main topic will be the activity spawned by the RSA Secret Key Challenges, though I'll include other brute-force and factoring efforts, in 1997 or before. If you have taken part in a key search, and/or have any thoughts on the topic you'd like to share, I hope you'll send them to me at trei(a)ziplink.net. I'm particularly interested in finding out about some of the less-known efforts - for example, the DES effort rumored to have taken place at SGI, and the early, abortive RC5/56 effort at a New York site. Stories, anecdotes, and issues raised by the efforts are all welcomed. Responses will be kept confidential if desired. Thanks, Peter Trei trei(a)ziplink.net DISCLAIMER: The above are my own views, should not be misconstrued to represent those of my employer.

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Automated Links Trade
by web-promotions＠nevwest.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NSA Job Offer
by William J. Clinton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Randall I saw your post on the cypherpunks list debunking the forgery of my good friend Phill Zimmerman. As you are no doubt aware my Deputy Director of the NSA retired recently and I've decided that Barbie is no longer suitable following certain uncomplimentary remarks she made after a fireside shagging^H^H^H^Hchat we had last night. I am therefore looking for a supersluth to fill this challenging position. If you would be interested in taking the bit between your teeth, so to speak, please email me and we'll do lunch. -- Bill C. "The next person who mentions my penis gets an ICBM up their ass"

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Spoofing
by semprini＠theschool.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think I'm out of line here in saying that all this spoofing of other users is a bit childish. I'm sure there are better things one could find to do with one's time. (Possibly work on cracking RSA's 128- bit key?) --Dylan

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Request for expert opinion and Feedback
by Joubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, I am involved in a project which aims at the creation of a free and portable Java(tm) based object operating system. A basic functional requirement for this new OS is to provide /fast and effective/ strong cryptographic support at the OS level. The basic structure of the system is a layered architecture, with the lowest layer consisting of a platform specific (non-portable) kernel supporting an embedded JVM (again in C/ASM) and a set of Java(tm) interfaces to this 'virtual platform'. The OS proper will sit on top of this and will be 100% Java (tm). The issue: As you may know, SMI has and will deliver a set of 'security' packages as a standard component of JDK. This uses RSA technology. Basic and general 'interfaces' to encapsulate constructs such as Key, Provider, Cypher, etc. are also defined. A few people in the project group feel that many different groups and entities out there will provide (portable) Public Key encryption packages (implemented in Java(tm)) that can be used by the users of the OS. They argue against embedding computational support at the Kernel (non-portable) layer as wasted effort. Others (& myself included) feel that 'effective' also means efficiency of execution. Specially so if such functionality is to be used to encypher 'streams' and such (if that is possible). Your expert advice: a) How do you feel about 'where' the computational support should be implemented ? b) Assuming answer to (a) to be "At the kernel level and in C/ASM", is it possible to achieve a fine-grain modularity in terms of fairly generic algorithms and computations which can then be combined in conjunction to support a variety of encryption strategies ? c) Is there any benefit to implementing the random number generation system in the Kernel? Your input is greatly appreciated. If you feel there are other considerations to be made, please let me know. Thank you. Joubin p.s. Java(tm) and related items are the tightly guarded property of Sun Microsystems Inc. __________________________________ member, alpha zero LLC joubin(a)inch.com NoVA __________________________________

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Re: Spoofing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

semprini(a)theschool.com wrote: > > I don't think I'm out of line here in saying that all this spoofing of > other users is a bit childish. I'm sure there are better > things one could find to do with one's time. (Possibly work on > cracking RSA's 128- bit key?) > > --Dylan I already cracked it. The message is: "Sorry, but we ran out of cash."

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Have some fun
by suzy1＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Secure phone
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Deters wrote: > At 12:44 PM 10/7/97 -0700, Eric Blossom you wrote: > >I wrote: > >> Therefore, man-in-the-middle can be more precisely described as an > >> unauthenticated end-point problem. Therefore, without authentication, > >> there is no defense (yet) against MITM attacks. > >I concur from the theoretical point of view. > It would be easy enough to "trick" the MITM into exposing their existance > anyway, just by using digits that come up in conversation. > A sudden dropout of sound (or "accidental" loss of > connection) while the MITM recognizes the trap and tries to backpedal will > be instantly noticed. Human protocols are resilient, whereas mathematical > protocols are precise. Speaking from a practical standpoint, since I have been the target of a variety of electronic surveillance for over a quarter of a century, the Man-in-the-Middle rarely operates so well that there are not a number of small anomalies that one cannot spot in the quality and/or flow of the service they are receiving. On the other hand, they rarely screw up so badly as to make it glaringly obvious what they are doing. The main thing, when one has reason to believe that quality or technical problems may be the result of MITM, is to take subtle actions such as the one suggested above, in order to force the MITM to adjust on-the-fly to situations that you create in order to monitor the monitor. e.g. - "Call me in 5 minutes at 555-PAY-PHONE for the secret code." If you already have a shill using that pay phone to monitor sudden anomalies in the function, fine, but it is ususally sufficient to take a call at the phone in five minutes, and the results of a quick patch will be noticeable. - "Do you have a radio playing, or something?" Hi-tech MITMs use a white-noise system designed to provide a cover for noise from their equipment, and a statement such as the above will invariably cause them to adjust it, usually resulting in a greater clarity or greater fuzziness on the line. Similar analysis of one's email, particularly if you have several recipients who can send you full feedback on timing/routing, etc., can reveal consistent differences between letters to your mom, and your death threats against the King (as well as letter to your mom which contain death threats against the King). Bottom line: If you are sending something worthy of being monitored, then your actions and methodologies should reflect the belief that you *are* being monitored. Please destroy your hard drive after reading this post. TruthMonger

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Re: What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> There are two reasons which are given as to why someone might want to > have GAK installed for company use. > > 1. to allow access to important material lost in the mail system in the > event that an employee is hit by a bus > > 2. to allow management to spot check the emails being sent and received > > > Argument 1 seems pretty flimsy to me. I reiterate my comment in an earlier > post: who in their right mind keeps their _only_ copy of ultra valuable > company information bouncing around in the email system? Did those arguing > for this position not notice that sometimes email gets lost in transit? > > Regardless, if PGP claims to be catering to those who use this argument, and > to not want to try that hard to make it impossible to by-pass, the more > secure, and less GAK friendly way to do it is to have the mail client > software archive the email sent and received. Two problems. First, not all mail clients let you archive the mail in a different form than how it arrived. Netscape 3 worked like this, maybe 4 too. If the mail comes in encrypted just to an employee key, that is how it will be stored, and no business access is possible. Second, what if an employee doesn't come back from vacation? You've got messages sitting in his inbox which go back three weeks. All encrypted to his personal key, which is gone. It's been long enough that the senders may not have backups any more. It's all lost, and at best the company is going to put its partners and customers to a great deal of inconvenience by making them re-send everything they've sent in the last three weeks, not to mention making the company look incompetent.

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update.340 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From physnews(a)aip.org Wed Oct 8 14:08:52 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 09:47:35 EDT From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) Message-Id: <9710081347.AA08262(a)aip.org> To: physnews-mailing(a)aip.org Subject: update.340 PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 340 October 8, 1997 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein TURNING ONIONS INTO DIAMONDS. Nano-diamonds can be created without high pressure by squeezing carbon "onions" (nested buckyball-like structures) with ion beams. Graphite material can be made into diamond the hard way, with the use of high pressure (above 10^6 atmospheres), high temperature, and the use of catalysts. But recently scientists have been able to bombard carbon onions with electron beams and now ion beams as well, and have been able to convert the onions almost completely into diamonds, up to 100 nm in size. Researchers at the Max Planck Institute in Stuttgart (Florian Banhart, banhart(a)wselix.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de) use a beam of neon ions to pelt the onions, which act like miniature pressure cells. With larger ion accelerators, one should be able to make macroscopic amounts of irradiation-induced diamond. (Experimental work: Wesolowski et al., Applied Physics Letters, 6 Oct. 1997; theory paper (Zaiser and Banhart) upcoming in Physical Review Letters; figure at www.aip.org/physnews/graphics.) MOLECULAR HYDROGEN SHOULD BECOME SUPERFLUID if placed on the right surface, say physicists at the University of Illinois (David Ceperley, ceperley(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu) Superfluids, substances that flow without friction, are few in number: liquid helium-4, special gases of rubidium and sodium atoms (in the form of Bose-Einstein condensates), pairs of helium-3 atoms, and pairs of electrons (which flow through superconductors). The trouble with getting hydrogen molecules (H2) to become superfluid is that they are all too ready to combine with each other into H2 solids. By laying them on a silver substrate and by salting them with a pinch of alkali metal atoms, the H2's should be able to resist the tendency to solidify all the way down to zero temperature. At 1.2 K they would become a superfluid, the Illinois theorists predict. They believe this can be carried out over the next year, after which experimentalists could explore unique hybrid superfluids, such as H2/He-4 mixtures. (M.C. Gordillo and D.M. Ceperley, Physical Review Letters, 13 Oct; see figure at www.aip.org/physnews/graphics) A POLYMER THAT CAN TRANSFER ENERGY BETWEEN DIFFERENT LIGHT BEAMS has been demonstrated by researchers at UC-San Diego (W.E. Moerner, 619-822-0453), opening possibilities for inexpensive and easily manufacturable "optical transistors" that can amplify or attenuate a light beam. The San Diego polymer is an example of a "photorefractive" material, a material that adjusts its structure and electronic properties when two or more light beams combine on it to form an interference pattern. On these materials, light from one beam can bend in such a way as to bounce back in the direction of a second beam, adding energy to it. Inorganic versions of these materials exist, but they are difficult to make and can cost thousands of dollars for a tiny cube. Moerner constructed a polymer whose three main components carried out essential tasks: buckyballs offer electrons, poly (n-vinyl carbazole) (PVK) molecules carry these electrons along their backbone, and PDCST molecules stretch or contract, changing the way light bends in these regions. The researchers demonstrated a "net gain" of about 5, in which one of the laser beams shining on the material gained energy. These materials have numerous possible applications, including correcting distorted images. (Science, 25 July.)

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data recovery good, key recovery bad (Re: Are we all looking at the same PGP 5.5 ?)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I've moved this thread to cypherpunks, it was on cryptography, and Perry (cryptography moderator) just killed the thread. Some of the participants may not be on cpunks, so keep them on the cc if you want them to see your replies] Marc Horowitz <marc(a)cygnus.com> writes: > >> > What makes you think that all critical email is on disk in the clear? > >> > >> Nothing: it could be on disk encrypted. eg. Encrypted files encrypted > >> with storage keys, or encrypted partition encrypted with storage key, > >> or encrypted sent or received email encrypted with storage key. > > Well, if it's encrypted on disk, then "you read the disk" doesn't get > you very far. You need to be able to decrypt the information on the disk. Of course you do. Lets say you are using Peter Gutmanns encrypted filesystem setup. So, if you figure the info on the disk is important, you give a copy of the key to the company lawyer, put it in the fire proof safe, secret split it, whatever tickles your fancy. The advantage of this is that the email software it is no use to the GAKkers, because it doesn't have mildly enforced extra crypto recipients, and it doesn't get the business community used to the idea of shipping email around with extra doors into it. PGP Inc's pgp5.5 could be used by the government to weedle their way into mandatory key escrow. Say that they start requiring companies to use this software, then when lots of companies start using it, they start asking companies for a copy of the company master key. Bingo key escrow, courtesy of PGP Inc. Next they "encourage" ISPs to use it also. > >> The way to do it is as described above. Archive the email, encrypt it > >> to a starage key. Build that functionality into the MUA if you fancy. > >> But _don't_ give extra access to keys used for communications only. > > There is no extra access to communication keys. There is so! His mail said that there was a policy flag in the public key, and an additional public key for the corporate back door. That policy flag effectively said this key has attached to it a request that you encrypt to this extra crypto recipient. In some cases an additional flag will be set which says "if you do not comply with the request to encrypt to the extra crypto recipient, the recipient will not see the mail". PGP Inc's method of enforcing this is an SMTP policy enforcer which bounces mail without the extra crypto recipient. There, that is an extra access to the communication (via an extra route to accessing the session key). Uhhh, I think I just realised why we are talking at cross purposes... you meant extra access to the recipients private key. I consider this an artificial straw man, erected by Jon. Sure it's an independently dumb idea to have lots of people sharing private keys. But the system is still GAK friendly. And it does allow extra parties access to the message. The worry is that government becomes that second party. Do you really care about the details of mandatory GAK, when and if it comes in. Do you care whether the government has a copy of your private encryption key, or whether the system is setup with un-bypassable second crypto recipient of the USG/NSA etc. Can't see that it makes much difference at that point. Both methods can be bypassed theoretically anyway, by super encrypting or any other subliminal channels kicking around in the protocols. So I can't see that arguments about how easy they are to bypass hold much water. Frisbeeing a disk out the window is far easier a way to bypass anyway. Or just blabbing. > >> Hint: you will note that Freeh and friends aren't interested in > >> storage keys. You can see why the above systems is less GAK friendly > >> right? > > Freeh wants storage keys, too. He wants *all* the keys. Yeah he probably does. But he wants your communications keys a lot more. You know why that is? Because he has your communications because you're broadcasting them across the Internet. He'd like to read them. However he doesn't have your disk, and he'd have to break into your offices to get it, or issue you with a supeona or whatever. I'm sure he'd love to read your disk too, but your disk isn't sitting on an NFS mount over the internet. (Is it!?) Fortunately, the internet couldn't handle the strain, otherwise you might see calls for you to rent your disk space of government disk farms, and the government would then be very interested in demanding a copy of your storage keys. So, if even if we use corporate key backup for storage keys, this is still more along the lines of the status quo. They want your documents, they've gotta come and get them. What we'all are getting worked up about here is that Freeh and friends want to be able to key word search our damn communications on fishing expeditions. > Email is a funny thing. It's sort of storage, and sort of > communications. I can understand wanting to recover it from a > communications aspect. They don't call SMTP "store-and-forward" for > nothing. There is no information in the body of the message which is required for it to get to it's destination. All you need is the SMTP headers. You clearly can't end-to-end encrypt the communications routing information. (You could layer it though, like perhaps remailers, with each hop only knowing what it needs to know to do it's job; however at that point you can run into problems: you can't bounce back a delivery failure part way along the route.) > You'll notice that if I delete the messages after receiving it, it > can't be recovered. If I don't, it can. Sound like storage to me. So? The point is that you shouldn't be mixing key purposes. Communications private keys should be used to protect communication and shouldn't be given to anyone else, even your company. Storage keys might be sensible things to backup within the company in case of accidental death. Actually I disagree with what you said: you said "if I delete the message after receiving it, it can't be recovered", it might easily be recovered in lots of ways: 1. feds have tap on your line, feds rubber hose your long term private key out of you 2. your sender has kept a copy in the clear 3. your sender has kept a copy encrypted with a poor passphrase which the feds guess/or rubber hose from him 4. your sender used encrypt-to-self, and has poor passphrase/is passphrase rubber hosed 5. your sender kept a copy which still had you as a crypto recipient (as well as himself with encrypt-to-self), and the feds arrive at your door anyway. Point is, as long as you've got the private keys, it is potentially stored, courtesy of your favourite TLA. This is why you should use forward secrecy, or at least mimic it, by having a long term signature key, and generating a new public key for encryption every week/month, and revoking and destroying the old one. > >> I figure it's not that major a deal. But for those that want it, the > >> most secure, simultaneously least GAK friendly way to do it is to > >> archive and encrypt with separate storage keys. > > This is *exactly* what PGP does: it encrypts with the recipient key, > and the recovery key. Yes, it does, and that is GAK friendly. But that is not what I described above. The difference between what I describe above (quoted a few lines up), and what PGP is doing is that PGP's messages are sent across the internet encrypted to the "recovery key". This is GAK friendly because it is easy to implement GAK with it, you just make that "recovery key" the NSA's "recovery key" (or to avoid newspeak terms perhaps that should be government backdoor master key). Then they coerce ISPs and corporates to include a PGP SMTP policy enforcer which insists on all email having a second crypto recipient of the NSA's backdoor master key. The system is a beautiful GAK system, everything you need for a fully working GAK system is right there on sale by PGP Inc. With what I described, GAK is not possible. What I described is: the MUA archives sent email, and archives received email (after decryption) with none of this process leaking outside the corporate lan (that is it may involve communication inside the LAN). The archives can be encrypted, and you can have a corporate master key with access to these archives. But none of this goes over the Internet. > At this point, I'm not sure if we disagree or not. I'm not sure either, please let me know if I've explained myself this time! I'm worried that the hard time I'm having getting people to grok that escrowing comms keys is a bad idea if you're opposed to mandatory GAK is indicative of the success of the memes being spread by Freeh's crowd. PGP Inc are especially worrying, as they are in a position to influence the balance of whether we get GAK or not, and they appear to be helping GAK out somewhat. Whether this is complicit or whether they don't see that the fact they've implemented a fairly feasible GAK system as that significant in the argument, I'm not sure. However, I think the argument it is relatively straight-forward: companies care about backup of their data. They don't care about backup of their communications. So why backup communications keys? And why include the backup packet in the communication itself? For those companies who have been persuaded that they ought to read email received and email sent, you can implement this without weakening comms security as PGP have done with pgp5.5 for business which is to have a second crypto recipient for backup/backdoor being sent with the message over the internet. All you do for backup or company backdoor is to build in whatever storage, and encrypted archiving functions you wish into the MUA, or internal mail system. That is GAK unfriendly. If PGP Inc is still GAK unfriendly, and hasn't sold out to government, it should be doing something with similar properties to those I described above: not having backdoor second recipient access to traffic. What they have done is implemented a fully functional GAK system. (I get the feeling that sooner or later we're going to get a PRZ penned company position statement. I hope they get it right. I encourage them to re-think.) Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ryan Anderson wrote: >>What you call "fragility" is properly called "security". Would you >>describe 128-bit keys as more "fragile" than 40-bit keys? Why is PGP, >>Inc. inventing propaganda terms for the authorities? > >Okay, call it security but the point is, if you're protecting documents vital >to your company using encryption (say the design of a new product) and the >person who knows the passphrase dies, you've just lost a great deal of money. > >PGP for Business Security gives the business a way to have a backup key that >can read that person's information. Frankly, it might not be able to read >anybody elses, from the description given. > >This is a feature that any business (that understands encryption) will want. > >They can easily store the secret keys of the other id someplace secure, and >never retrieve them until someone dies. Disavow knowledge of them to >government, etc. heck, the keys can even be in the primary person's >posession. (Perhaps stored in a safe-deposit box, or without a passphrase, >etc.) Decrypting files and decrypting messages are not the same problem. The PGP product has SMTP support - it is explicitly designed to weaken transmitted messages. Just like Clipper. [Jon Callas wrote:] >>It is fascinating to me that every example you use does not involve >>decrypting transmitted messages. Yet, that is the feature which is >>under discussion. > >Amazingly, he gave an example where, had encryption been used, the >project would have stopped, and restarted because the person with the >keys was incapacitated. Are you just being combative here? No. I am making the distinction between files and messages. It is quite easy to use a key for encrypting files which is different from encrypting your messages. The key for encrypting files can then given to the appropriate company officer. It has been possible to use PGP in this mode forever. What is new is the feature set which will make it very easy to impose GAK on the customers of PGP. According to Mr. Schneier, the code is just sitting there in all their products waiting to be compiled in. >>The demand for the ability to decrypt encrypted messages in the >>corporate environment can easily be measured with this test: how >>many companies have a policy that requires employees to record all >>outgoing mail? > >Well, any company giving stock advice (and governed by SEC rules on >stock tips, etc.) is already require to have all outgoing mail >approved (e-mail and snail), so does it matter if they record it or >not? The answer to the question I posed is "No". The example you cite requires the company to review message before transmission, not afterward. After transmission, the recipient of the message can submit it as evidence to the SEC should there be an impropriety. This is no different from the way it works now. There is probably a context issue here. It sounds like you do not share the context within which many people on this list are operating. The Big Problem for PGP, Inc. right now is that in 18 months or so their products may be illegal to use within the United States. While many of the rank and file in the company may be willing to accept corporate dissolution under those circumstances, the board, the investors, and the senior management are unlikely to welcome that option. So, they are preparing for that situation. They are releasing products with GAK support right now. By the time it becomes mandated by law, it will be easy to compile the well tested features into all of the products, or just discontinue their line of privacy products and sell only their Big Brother Inside products. The corporate key becomes the government key with the stroke of a pen. PGP, Inc. is betting that they'll win either way. If GAK goes down in flames again, they can still trade on their reputation for being The Good Guys. If GAK becomes mandated by law: "We didn't want to do it, but we had no choice." Some of us may be in the habit of thinking of PGP, Inc. as the hero. However, the problem with organizations is that they are easily corrupted. Does this mean everybody in the organization is now working for the government? No, it does not. Most likely there are many PGP, Inc. employees who are feeling uncomfortable with this new development but they are being given the same lines we are getting. Many of these people are probably getting an additional "inside scoop" from their leaders that explains the "real" strategy. Hopefully, the rank and file at PGP knows that people you like and see in the hallways every day will still lie to you if they think their career depends on it. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDuw65aWtjSmRH/5AQGwLgf7BBYy2HO30eDXO2YLqkgtuOxAcnQU19AO DOKIa3jwU723ICgWD00dPW1GegKL5LaRfp3a+Xtd+qjHaFs0IlXr4kJGv1wiCJhu sRKxmSi3g1aGIfiF48uMef5bbzPL27b3u78rJds+E44LP9zEnieBcACBp+3977W0 0N0k7ADY6ME+zmc4f5D5aLdJa8gprOCPj1nF6esspkMuDDu5iH/YY/GT6VprRCub NojEXPS/uB6tgTS4vDfenL8UWUUqjXQof8MrRoMAG6dsjvNEyU5WlhbnDgyh9nF5 DbuP9+oA8DHYSmEGzTxD4oG7mGwb+NMMuYOyg3xC1H8ou2Ajv0kfOg== =UtlQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: FCPUNX:CDT complains to my editors after post to cypherpunks
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:34 AM 9/26/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > The larger issue is that the CDT/VTW "players" are showing their > willingness to trade away the civil liberties of us all for a few minor > tidbits thrown (they think) to corporate sponsors. CDT may not necessarily be pursuing the interests of its corporate sponsors. Legislation in congress, any legislation, the worse the better, will promote corporate donations to CDT. This does not meen that the corps want legislation. Indeed, this is a chronic problem with such mundane non civil liberties lobbies as the milk lobby. Big business sends their lobbyists to Washington, where they are corrupted by contact with politicians. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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No Subject
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Starting now, online town hall meeting with Rep. Dreier at www.democracy.net
by shabbir＠democracy.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In just a few minutes, we'll be starting the online town hall meeting with Rep. David Dreier (R-CA). Dreier is a key member of Congress for the net community: he's on the Rules committee, which has the fate of SAFE in its hands. He's also been a leader in integrating Congressional committees and the net. Check it out http://www.democracy.net/ -Shabbir

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InfoWar 2000 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet)
by The Last True CypherPunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar 2000 Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * InfoWar 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "InfoWar is back!" Jonathan cried out, waking the other members of the Magic Circle instantly. They quickly rose and gathered around the GraphiScreen hovering over the old oak table. Subject: Re: [Pigdog] ViaCrypt slowly executes Timmy C. May From: Flesh <flesh(a)pigdog.org> To: pigdog-l(a)arlington.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Does the fireBot work well with the throwemupagainstthewallandaimfortheheadBot? Cowboy recognized the significance immediately. "A thousand Points of Presence." "UUNETWorldCom?" Alexis asked, surprised. Jonathan nodded, adding, "And they're moving faster and quieter than they did in history as we have known it, up to now." He began reading off the list he had compiled in just a short time, "Fiber, Digital Microwave, Satellite, Undersea Fiber Cable. Financial markets, telecommunications, construction, health care, and politics. "They seem to be putting all of the 'usual suspects' under one flag, around the globe." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Player To Be Named Later scanned the series of posts, for the thousandth time. "It's dejavu, all over again." he said, quoting a Yogi Berra malapropism. The feeling had been growing on him The feeling that somehow, everything was the same as beforeonly different. "The Lake of Life has started to turn over. The bottom is rising to the top, the top is descending to the bottom, and everything is becoming the opposite of what it seems to be." A Player To Be Named Later sat quietly, contemplating what it was that had changed, only somehow not changed, since the last time the lake had turned over on the CypherPunks mailing list. He thought about "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs." He began to see the parallel between the history of the creation of WebWorld and the creation of the CypherPunks distributed list. There was the subterfuge which had preceded both the Channel Revolution which foreshadowed WebWorld and the Censorship Crisis which had presaged the CypherPunks distributed mailing list. There were the climaxes that precipitated the structural changes in both cases, the satellite destruction in the one case, and the loss of toad.com as host to the mailing list in the other case. There were the parallels with outside attacks ceasing on both the CypherPunks distributed mailing lists and the variety of Channels on WebWorld, in an attempt to let the citizens/members bond with their new channels/lists. One parallel-or two, depending on how you looked at it-in particular, which stood out in the mind of A Player To Be Named Later. There were three CypherPunks distributed lists-at algebra.com, ssz.com, and at cyberpass.net. Likewise, there was a reference to the Money Channel Government in WebWorld having three channels under its control. Then, there was the strange, strange saga of three religious channels-the God Channel, the Dualist Channel, and the Trinity Channel-which had somehow merged, yet not merged, creating a problem which had left the 'powers that be' very, very nervous. "What the hell happened to Channel War I?" A Player To Be Named Later, asked himself, suddenly recognizing a glaring disparity between the parallels he was drawing between the history of WebWorld and the history of the CypherPunks list. "And what the hell happened to InfoWar?" he asked, turning to Baby, who stood up and barked her agreement that there was definitely something fishy going on that involved the two shadow wars that had somehow been misplaced in the annals of history-one in the future, and one in the past. In 'WebWorld', both the reference to the three Money Channel Governments and reference to the three spiritual channels which became one, yet didn't, revolved around the close of Channel War I. But there didn't seem to be a parallel to Channel War I in the Time-Line of the CypherPunks list. Likewise, 'WebWorld' began with a reference to an 'InfoWar Scrambler Mechanism' which seemed to indicate that 'InfoWar' would play a major part in the history of 'WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs.' Yet there were only a few later references in Part II of The True Story of the InterNet in regard to "the beginning stages of InfoWar," with no further details. A Player To Be Named Later strained to touch the wispy haze of memory which was rising somewhere in the back of his mind-a memory which whispered "InfoWar" from somewhere deep in the heart of the CypherPunks mailing list censorship crisis. "Toto!" he said, suddenly feeling a ferocious stinging sensation behind his right ear, which resulted in a loss of balance as he fell to the floor, and a loss of consciousness as the blackness closed in around him ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The tattered remnants of the Magic Circle of the future sat quietly around the antique oak table, anxious and depressed. "Why is the Trei Transponder receiving interference from Toto's digital implant?" Priscilla asked the group. "All of my monitoring tests show that the last adjustments we made to the Zooko Zamboni were up to Journeyman standards." "Perhaps it is a result of the differences in the winter climates between the Netherlands and Canada." Jonathan said. "It seems to me that the effects of Global Warming were just beginning to have undeniably noticeable effects in that particular epoch." The Cowboy got up and paced a bit, as the others realized he was working up the courage to say what they were all thinking. "Or.." he hesitated, then turned to face the others and continued, "perhaps the rebirth of InfoWar reflects that our efforts toward changing the past have not only been successful, but are now irrevocable." Jonathan pulled up a passage of 'WebWorld' onto the GraphiScreen, contemplating what he had originally perceived as the failure of InfoWar during the hotly contested battle which took place on the CypherPunks list during the censorship crisis. "January 19, 1997. "The beginning date of the 'moderation experiment' on the legendary CypherPunks mailing list. The beginning probe in preparation for the launching of InfoWar-an experiment which had failed miserably and had caused a delay in the plans of the Evil One. A delay caused by the damnable insolence of the terminal misfits among the CypherPunks. An insolence that was rumored to be fueled by the Circle of Eunuchs, fanning the 'flames' of dissent among the CypherPunks, helping them to resist the herding of their list members into the group-mindset desired by the Evil One." The other members of the Circle of Eunuchs sat still in their seats, not wanting to disturb the deep thoughts of Jonathan, who was indeed the Last True CypherPunk, having grown up at their feet, immersed in their logic and their lore, and whose whole life had been ruled by his connection to the infamous anarchists who had been, alternately, both the shining light of freedom and privacy in their era, and the treacherous instigators of Channel War II-the war which had led to the ultimate triumph of the Gomez and the Dark Allies and the conclusive ascent of the Dark Forces in their domination of WebWorld under the dictum of the Evil One. The room was quiet as Jonathan reluctantly pulled up the next passage of 'WebWorld' which had described his feelings when his bereft past had come back to haunt him. "Jonathan sat frozen in his seat, once again, his brain locked from the major dichotomies being produced as a result of his present-in which the CypherPunks were a villainous band of rogues who had instigated the launching of Channel War II-and his past, in which his grandfather had been exposed both as one of the major players in both the launching of Channel War II, and as traitorous scum who had sabotaged the goals of the CypherPunks in that same historical battle. "Jonathan's grandfather wasn't just a CypherPunk. He was the Fool." "We won" Jonathan's voice trailed off, before he rose from the table and repeated his statement, in anger. "We won, damn it! "I know we won. Grandfather knew we won the censorship battle. Everyone knew that we won the censorship battle. History itself knows that we wonwe" Jonathan stopped short, turning to stare at the others, who were staring back. "Jonathan" Bubba said softly. "History has changed." "I know that, damn it!" Jonathan resumed his pacing, knowing that he was missing something very, very important, but he couldn't for the life of him think what it might possibly be. The others in the room watched and waited, knowing that it was Jonathan, and Jonathan alone, whose heritage was intricately and irrevocably linked to the era in history which they had, for better or worse, interfered in through their use of the Trei Transponder. "Grandfather was a traitor to the CypherPunksa traitor to freedom and privacy. He sabotaged everything that the CypherPunks had fought so hard to defend, since the inception of their anarchist, cryptography mailing list. "But the CypherPunks loved us" Jonathan was lost in memories of a childhood in which he and his family had been forced to remain in constant motion, staying a half-step ahead of the Dark Allies, who had been hunting down the last remaining members of the CypherPunks-with a vengeance. His family had been soundly welcomed by the remaining CypherPunks, in their flight to freedom after his Grandfather's assassination. They had given the family food, clothing, shelter, and warned them when the Dark Allies were closing in, and it was once again time to flee. Duncan Frissell had even Perhaps they all had Jonathan sank to the floor, slowly, with Alexis leaping up and catching him softly. Cowboy helped her guide him toward the table and lower him into a chair. Jonathan slowly pulled off his shirt and stared at his tattoothe Mark of the Toad. "Duncan Frissell arrived at our last safe house, in the middle of the night." Jonathan spoke, finally understanding the real story behind his family's flight into obscurity. "He warned us to flee, but it was too latethe Dark Allies were close at hand." Jonathan's voice was full of amazement as he recounted an event which he had long known, but had never managed to fully understand. "Duncan held the Dark Allies at bay, while we made our escape. I can still hear his screams" Jonathan shuddered, then began shaking terribly. Alexis closed her arms around him, hugging him lightly. "Your Grandfather knew that the CypherPunks had lost the battle." Bubba picked up the thread. The other members of the Magic Circle looked on, mystified as to this strange turn of events which turned the whole history of the CypherPunks and the Circle of Eunuchs on hits head. "It wasn't a censorship battle." the Cowboy said, amazed as much by what he was saying as those listening to him were. "It was InfoWar!" "That's what happened to InfoWar." Alexis cried out, in disbelief of her own words. "It was over before it had begun." Bubba d'Shauneaux IV rose to his feet, and filled in the details of the battle as could only be done by one who had spent a lifetime of subterfuge playing a role which was the exact opposite of what it had seemed to be from surface appearances. "It was the first battle fought solely within the bounds of Virtual Reality." "It represented the true nadir point in history when the battle between the Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness moved beyond the physical plane and into the minds of mankind." "InfoWar!" he roared, the word reverberated throughout the room, sending the Trei Transponder into a soft hum which grew louder and louder, with a pitch that went lower and lower until it became subsonic, unheard, but shaking the roomthe eartheven WebWorld itself... The Trei Transponder exploded with a mighty boom, shaking the room so violently that the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle were thrown from their chairs, and found themselves rising to see only ruins around them, where their safe house had once been. They immediately realized that they must flee at once, as those investigating the explosion would undoubtedly be the Dark Allies, fully aware that the event had rent WebWorld at the seams. Jonathan paused, weapon in hand, covering the retreat of d'Shauneaux, who had remained behind to remove the last traces of evidence that the Circle of Eunuchs had ever truly been there. As d'Shauneaux joined him, motioning for him to proceed, he took one last look at the shattered remains of the Trei Transponder. All contact with the CypherPunks of the past was now gone, with little hope of it being renewed. Silently, he sent a message to the CypherPunks of his youth-from the bottom of his soul and into the inestimable profundity of the Tao. It was a message that would be understood by those who had been at Woodstock-a physical gathering of a Magic Circle which had come into physical being through a random blessing of Time and Chance. "You're on you own, folksbecause we're sure on ours." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who fail to learn from the future, are doomed to repeat it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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InfoWar 2000 / AOL Format
by The Last True CypherPunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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MISTY algorithm source code
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attachments files is MISTY algorithm source code. Thank you very much. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com MISTY.zip

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