December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux (fwd) [oops]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > Subject: Re: Pipes & inodes ... redux (fwd) > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Sorry, that was meant for a completely different set of readers. I hit the wrong key. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Roofing "Don't Be Ripped Off"
by adzam67＠concentric.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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New Rule
by The New Dictator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From now on, no one can drink coffee out of yellow cups, ok? The reason for this is because there are child molesters. Thank you for your cooperation, or I will kill you. The New Dictator "I have a suitcase, and I'm not afraid to use it."

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The more things change...
by TruthMangler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: > ====================================================== > Q. Why do some countries make it a crime to commit > suicide? > A. Maybe so governments legally can confiscate the > property of the deceased. That's how it worked in ancient > Rome. Laws are made of money, it's said. > ============================================== > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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Re: do NOT escrow communications keys
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: > I'm arguing that you should not backup, or escrow communications keys, > and that you should backup storage keys. Euphemism alert: when we are talking about the kind of data recovery we like, we call it "backup". When we are talking about the kind we don't like, we call it "escrow". Schneier did the same thing: Bruce Schneier: > Key escrow = someone other than the author or the intended recipient of the > message being able to decrypt it. > > There are valid reasons for data backup, but they have nothing to do with > crypto key recovery. You don't actually mean that you should backup storage keys, you mean you should provide a means for someone other than the user to decrypt that stored data. Schneier means the same thing with regard to "data backup". > (forward secrecy) This could be a good idea, particularly in terms of old keys leaking out, but it needs more work. It's not clear that any of the forward secrecy methods will work for email. You can't easily do a DH key exchange via email because of the multiple messages. Maybe you could piggyback on ordinary messages, and after a few have been exchanged, you can get a DH key for the next message, but this is very complicated. Synchronization isn't guaranteed with email, neither is reliable delivery. > (untransferable signatures) This is also a good idea, but it needs more work, too. There is a big education problem here. People barely understand the implications of regular digital signatures. Now you are throwing this new kind in, which guarantee the message came from another person, but aren't binding. What happens when an employee receives a message from a supplier signed with that kind of signature? Can he make a decision on that basis, or not? In paper business correspondence, there is no such distinction. A signed letter is transferable. Go beyond this and business will be scratching its heads. It's a solution looking for a problem. There may be patents on these technologies, too. > (re-encrypting email with an escrowed key for archival) This is going to require special archival software and special actions on the part of users. You won't be able to do it as a transparent plugin. The user can't save his mail the regular way (with some email packages), he has to remember to (also?) save it to the business access archive. If he forgets, the business owner has lost access. There will be extra training costs, and people will have to change their habits. Besides being more complex to design and implement, it will be harder to sell to customers.

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BXA RFC on Export Controls
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"The Bureau of Export Administration (BXA) is reviewing the foreign policy-based export controls in the Export Administration Regulations to determine whether they should be modified, rescinded or extended. To help make these determinations, BXA is seeking comments on how existing foreign policy-based export controls have affected exporters and the general public." http://jya.com/bxa100897.txt

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Freeh Replaced! / Re: New Rule
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New Dictator wrote: >From now on, no one can drink coffee out of yellow cups, ok? > > The reason for this is because there are child molesters. > > Thank you for your cooperation, or I will kill you. Must have been embarassing for Freeh to have gotten replaced by a child. Guess it has something to do with the new 'Truth in Tyranny' laws...

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The Globalization of Chile, from The Netly News (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: The Globalization of Chile, from The Netly News ************* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1484,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) October 10, 1997 The Globalization of Chile By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) The wires are clogged again in Chile, a country with no shortage of Net-enthusiasm but little way to express it. Bandwidth is so limited in this remote country, which stretches almost to Antarctica, that local netizens wake up early or stay up late to log in (this report had to be filed via fax). Chile's connections to the outside world total about 9 Mb/sec, the same size pipe that a small U.S. Internet provider uses to connect to the Net. Chileans intend to change this. By next summer, fiber optic cables will gird the country on the east and west, snaking south from Brazil and Peru. The country's connectivity will jump to 200 times its current bandwidth. Even now, though, there's plenty of excitement about the Net in the capital, Santiago. Apple Chile, H.P. and the Cafe Internet Cybercenter line the Avenue Andres Bello. The REUNA Internet World Conference, which ends today, attracted hundreds of local businessmen. Companies such as Business News Americas email (for a fee) daily economic reports from Chile to American investors and analysts. But even if younger Chileans are cyber-savvy, the country remains staunchly conservative. Nearly 90 percent of Chileans are Roman Catholic (it was once the state religion) and Chile remains the only Western country where both divorce and abortion are illegal. Geography, too, has an effect. The South American country is ringed by deserts to the north, the Pacific Ocean to the west and the lofty Andes mountains to the east. [...]

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Re: Thanks Peter! / Re: russia_1.html
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed. Oct 8, Human Gus-Peter wrote: > Tell Declan that he should probably go visit his mom, or something, > like next Friday, until at least Monday (because that's when my mom > leaves Washington, 'you know where.'--{boy, is *she* going to be > sorry she grounded me on my uncle's weekend away from the 'Home'.}) > > My uncle's going to be mad when he finds out I took his suitcase, > but he couldn't even get his Heathkit radio to work, and I *almost* > did. Besides, you should never trust anyone over fifteen, eh? > (And these things are dangerous in the wrong hands, eh?) On Fri, Oct 10, Declan wrote: > The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) > October 10, 1997 > > The Globalization of Chile > By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) > > The wires are clogged again in Chile, a country with no shortage > of Net-enthusiasm but little way to express it. Bandwidth is so > limited in this remote country, which stretches almost to Antarctica, > that local netizens wake up early or stay up late to log in (this > report had to be filed via fax). Staying until Monday, Declan? Little Peter

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CAK as a really bad form of corporate networking
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been scratching my head, trying to figure out what the market for PGP's new recovery program is for. After all, if employees have local disks and these disks are on a company network or backup plan, then the corporation has access to the plaintext of memos, reports, and plaintext sent and received e-mail. (The purpose of Alice encrypting to Bob being _in-transit_ security, and nothing more.) It seems to me that the CAK (Corporate Access to Keys) approach being talked about, where Alice encrypts to Bob and _also_ encrypts to Eve, is a poor solution to the "archiving" problem. As Adam Back and others have noted, if Alice stores her Eudora or whatever e-mail files on her systems, presumably in plaintext (as the purpose of encrypting with Bob is for _in-transit_ security, not storage security), then the corporation can insist that she make her plaintext files archivable on the company's backup system. One way to look at the market for CAK is that a company is too flaky to have a corporate network or backup strategy and is using CAK as a kind of crude networking scheme. E-mail, with cc:ing of the company crypto czar, is a way to archive or pool company traffic. A rather back-assed approach, it seems to me. Meaning no insult to PGP, Inc. or its fine programmers, it's as if this message was sent out: --begin internal Giant Corporation memorandum-- From: Cakbert, Evil PR and Security Administrator To: All Droids Subject: Mandatory Voluntary CAK System It has come to my attention that our attempts to get a corporate-wide network working have failed, and that we are using a mishmash of intranets, local LANs, and direct dial-out systems. This is thwarting our efforts to read what you people are writing to each other. Henceforth, to solve this network problem we must insist that you adopt a mandatory voluntary system of cc:ing me, Cakbert, on all of your messages. Encrypted messages must be voluntarily encrypted with PPP (Pretty Poor Privacy). Thank you for your attention. --end internal Giant Corporation memorandum-- --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: America as a Shake Down Extortion State
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ryan Anderson wrote: >Tim May wrote: >>The debate over crypto almost certainly fits this pattern. If and when a >>domestic ban on crypto is likely to pass and be signed, companies like RSA >>and PGP will face extinction. This will then "incentivize" executives of >>these companies to release funds, in the form of campaign > >Actually, I think it's a little more likely that they'll get disgusted with >Congress, and collect some money for the ACLU to use to pay their lawyers in >the instant filing of the consitutionality challenge. > >Seems to be a much more productive way to spend your money (long-term). Bullshit! Fuck the lawyers! By wasting time and money in the courts bickering about the stupid laws that buffoons in Congress pass in order to justify their existence, we are only ignoring the real issue: you cannot use the system to change the system. What amazes me is the amount of time and energy well-intentioned folks piss away trying to convince legislators to "do the right thing". By paying attention to these idiots, we are in effect legitimatizing their actions. If enough people come to their senses and ignored this bogus legislation, we will all be much better off in much less time. Tim May wrote elsewhere: >Face it, Amerika is basically a Mafia shake-down operation, with the power >of the State used to shake down protection money. > >This is why I favor crypto anarchy: by concentrating on ignoring laws and >deploying technology, this extortion state system is bypassed. Exactly. Spend the money on deploying the technology. Don't waste it lining the pockets of scum legislators and their litigious brethren. The big question is do PGP, RSA, Netscape et al have the balls to stand up for themselves and tell the DC politcos to fuck off? We can only hope... [ Imastun ] - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzQ+SNwAAAEEANhUVaFtM+8ZLhEhur55LhN0m/aUyemwVExEq96RUXkQlvBw H45ZcEMYzml7k2hM84rQiJEd/BPi18dhtXykz0vYqmke6BKDiAsR95ik+Jm3XXMU OQgHo0+asRJ85BOG+jm3424e4vY5/eTFaExNISW5T8XD+qgRgnC/ZQW0eQF1AAUR tBZJbWFzdHVuIDxsaWJlcnR5QHJpc2s+iQCVAwUQND5KIXC/ZQW0eQF1AQESOwP+ MPNlXlv/hzqoAaqXu4RpNR02XcMLOB5DwhG1pLij3Tt6uYfRqZul8eJ9LxvQ0R/R eT7g+j3dNpjcOSdCci4VYAPfdBK78esgDIn61cOiN29fGRwjJOO5rup9RvXBQt+T +Sf7D1gYlr/aDUGKMiBGGZhx2git7zpL7uqnvQn0WY8= =bXK7 - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBND5M5HC/ZQW0eQF1AQE4HwP+JJ1eiIFGVguO5PwRsRl0gAiVxYiSGpHP 6h8le1QAgNJTlCz7C/ObNjVmtHnw6vjcYewLXSsnF59cRPakAD/Y4NLSLP/vPzWk gbx6t9X8hb0vC2LWOA/UcXZQBoqfLEXexm4LehKU0LpDL7ggy6SBw8PDEOr3InSh f15W51XTv/0= =OBNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Defeating MITM with Eric's Secure Phone
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam Back wrote: >Monty Cantsin writes: >> My apologies if this has already been discussed, but wouldn't this be >> a straightforward solution? > >John Kelsey described the same system. > >[adding hex passphrase digits exchanged via PGP to display digits] > >> Any flaws? > >See my other recent post in this thread... I think it doesn't work >because Mallet can recover the passphrase. You must remember that >when Mallet is actively doing a MITM attack he knows the digits on >the display of each party. With that info he can recover the >passphrase by subtracting. Then he can give Alice the correct >checksum for the link A<->M and Bob the correct checksum for the link >M<->B. Oh, I get it. Thanks. And now I get why people want to assign passwords to each digit. Mallory has no way of knowing all the mappings, even when one is revealed. Just to get a feel for what this looks like, a table like this one could be exchanged in advance of each telephone call. (Nothing here is my invention, of course.) The columns are used once successively for each digit. 0: Tientsin bedeviling Menominee bonneted coincides quotation 1: handling Bernadine prouder Navaho fittingly Swinburne 2: degrading Puritanizes allophone acquaint jack renditions 3: clientele homo Verderer diskettes overview surmounts 4: delimiting probes sobering modulating situated jelly 5: bewail reflex multistage plastics stigmata scandal 6: Genoa divider synonym bipeds tale denominators 7: aborts carbons welding amalgam chain innovation 8: salvaging Fargo transitional relishes Ozarks meditations 9: overlapping Tehran desperation initiated intimidate beggars A: whereby muffins Soddy miniatures diagnostic proportionment B: flour pistils aback despatched Rydberg tales C: lifespan sallying Arianist kindness side corporal D: wrongs nervousness minting totaller feather copyrightable E: intoxicated Yukon Boyd response ingredients numismatist F: stairway imitation consulted printably anesthetizes interval This has about 85 bits of entropy assuming the words are randomly selected from a pool of 20,000. As Mallory only gets one try, those are very good odds. This is completely practical and secure because the table is easy to generate and exchange. (Not that an in-band method wouldn't be way cool!) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEUAwUBND56bpaWtjSmRH/5AQGcfQf3Y8tpnovD2tVVqUdJwHBg4ZgKfulxP2EH nuXSuvg7eMJ1veHw3ObmsiA+MzPzoBbrEkYM6u5TN3U+ytZbb5A/ogvD3fZepwhW Sns5l0J6y5gK4nRd9AqvU7MBp21iugJy6VEPwQzKwTIj/lkUydKeODluZSOqatyL NHr9qdZQrvvzsmvRL6EGvf2yEmYTeLg5XscLWPIyyA24jEMJNUXyQ5+W6bTx3Pxc aUBiSbVtoYIJDGKdzNGUu7QtlQP0DSQ+81kW4R86CreFx7H8rwRdr7dpwgTMADgZ ps2Nj0M71x9R8W9Jukg1eBw/xoyihldEo4SGrpDECv+Iawu+HSgZ =CEWV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Spammers Plan Backbone
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/adt1010nk/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_1343.ht… Yippie! Spam wars intensify as bulk emailers plan own Internet backbone. AOL, other ISPs threaten to fight back. Spam is FREE SPEECH!!!! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Re: DoD Asks Me to Stop Quoting From the Congressional Record
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: alt.censorship, alt.privacy,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal) In article <61l7cn$rc$1(a)gail.ripco.com>, glr(a)ripco.com (Glen Roberts) wrote: > I received a letter yesterday from the Office of the Secretary of > Defense. It politely asked me to stop quoting from the U.S. > Congressional on my website, and I presume they are also asking me > not to include such quotes on my radio show or print publications. > > Keep your eye out for a copy of their letter and my response... > I'll be anxious to see it. Certainly they have no legal footing, as the Congressional Record is just that, a record of what our elected Congress is doing and saying. The CR is, as we all know, widely available and meant to be quoted. This is why things, including a lot of nonsense (actually, _mostly_ nonsense) is "read into the Record." Or simply submitted to the CR for inclusion. As for any possible military secrets being disclosed, this is what closed hearings are for. Not that I necessarily approve of how many closed hearings there are, but this is what they're meant for. It would be consistent with trends of the past few decades if the Congressional Record becomes subject to secrecy laws. Hell, if were a Congresscritter I know I'd certainly want some of my stupid remarks stricken from the record and discussion of them banned. Let us know what happens. By the way, if the DoD pushes on this issue, you may find using mirrors of the CR, with pointers, another way to go. Don't actually quote the offending secruts, just give pointers to them. But quoting the CR is almost certainly fully legal. --Tim May -- The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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InfoWar Epilogue 0 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by A. Hoir 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar Epilogue 0 / TEXT
by A. Hoir 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Epilogue * d'Shauneaux ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Epilogue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomez surveyed the wreckage with a discerning eye, before turning toward the mountains in the distance and fixing upon them with a penetrating stare that burned like a laser toward the chief target of his hatred, wherever they might be. "They are finished." he said, with certainty, turning to the Commander of his Dark Forces, and instructing him, "Now finish them!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- d'Shauneaux Except that you have spent literally a lifetime involved in a world of shadows, where even those things which are not done with mirrors are resonating indeterminately and obliquely, then you have little hope of ever recognizing the true depth to which the world you live in is ruled by secrecy, subterfuge and intrigue. Unless, of course, you are a follower of an ancient sage named Dilbert, and are steeped in the history and lore of Office Politics, in which case you undoubtedly already have all of the tools you need to understand what I am about to tell you. (And could probably even teach an old dog-foot soldier such as myself a few new tricks.) The lineage of the Author, as well as those of d'Shauneaux and Rom Dos, were each given information on a basis, not of 'need to know,' but more along the lines of 'need to figure out.' (That's 'decrypt' or 'decipher' for you CypherPunks.) The reason for this was that, at the time of the formation of the Circle of Eunuchs, the Evil One not only had his tentacles spread throughout society in general, and the computer industry, in particular, but had also made great progress in 'encrypting' Reality, so to speak. Even the Magic Circle did not fully realize the extent or import of this for quite some time, but they did recognize that they were playing 'catch-up' and needed not only to learn from the past, but also to reach toward the future. The Circle of Eunuchs, not being restrained by the need for absolute control and coordination of their efforts, as the Dark Allies were, made an astounding amount of penetration into the highest levels of the computer industry, in a short period of time. The individuals involved, working on their own or in small guerrilla cells, were able to 'move camp' at an instant's notice, changing the direction and focus of their entire career, if need be, which was of great benefit in such a quickly burgeoning technology. Despite their astounding success in placing their ersatz players in the midst of some of the most sensitive arenas of Gomez's grand technological game, the Circle of Eunuchs knew that they lacked possession of the key that would unlock the doors of deceit and allow them to expose the malfeasance underlying the technology that was increasingly ruling both the bodies and minds of all mankind. Then, something extraordinary happened A no-name individual who would have had to raise his station in life in order to become known as a bit-player in the computer arena suddenly became the target of a full-scale attack by the Dark Forces over a seemingly insignificant program called Pretty Good Privacy. Phil Zimmerman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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PGP CAKware & IETF controlled Open-PGP standard
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One aspect of PGP's controversial CAK system in pgp5.5 that I have not seen discussed is the standardisation aspects. How does the introduction of corporate access to keys (CAK), and government access to keys (GAK) features fit into the IETF framework? Are PGP Inc's CAK features intended to be part of the now IETF controlled Open-PGP standard? What is the IETF's stance on politics having influence on security? A weakly comparable example might be perhaps the IPSEC standardisation process, and the effect of export regulations on key sizes. Are IPSEC key sizes allowed to be restricted in the standards so that IPSEC products can be exportable? Now some would argue, and with some justification, that emails sent using company equipment are the property of that company. However there are other considerations also. Expectation of privacy is one. The negative aspects of a society in which most companies have become little brother institutions, becoming small versions of what many of us are fighting: mandatory government access to keys, big brother wanting the ability to read all traffic. I would be somewhat concerned if PGP Inc's recently announced the key escrow functionality becomes part of the Open-PGP standard, because it will set a bad precedent, and possibly force others who would otherwise wish to implement to the open-PGP standard to also implement features useful to secret service special interests in enforcing mandatory domestic government access to keys, or implement only partly compatible systems. I need hardly comment that such an eventuality is not in the interests of the internet community. Specific questions relating to the standard are perhaps: - Are the certificate flags informing the recipient that communications to a key is escrowed, and that email which is not encrypted to the escrow key will be bounced expected to be part of the Open PGP standard. - Can a conforming application ignore the key escrow flags? - Or must a conforming application display a suitable warning perhaps such as: WARNING: the person whose key you are using has the misfortune of being forced to use software supplied by a company which has sold out to key escrow, therefore you data may be read by others than your intended recipient. and perhaps a note tacked on to the email for the recipient to read: SAY NO TO KEY ESCROW. Boycot little brother and big brother. Don't buy PGP Inc software. or must conforming applications be more polite. Aside from the snide remarks about key escrow, I am concerned about PGP's actions harming internet privacy, and helping indirectly the introduction of mandatory key escrow which the US administration and UK secret service and department of trade and industry are pushing. A system which implements all the features necessary for mandatory key escrow as a business solution may indirectly help the mandatory key escrow proponents. Plausible events which might happen in such an event might be: - companies encouraged to use (or penalised for not using) open-PGP corporate escrow compatible systems - service providers also encouraged to use such systems - companies legally required to use such systems, and hand copies of corporate master keys to government (corporate escrow then becomes government escrow for business communications) - ISPs and individuals legally required to use such systems, and hand copies of corporate master keys to government (full blown mandatory key escrow) I am concerned about the possibility that the IETF might be steered by PGP Inc into putting features into the Open-PGP standard which are not in the interests of the internet community. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: do NOT escrow communications keys (Re: What's really in PGP 5.5?)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam Back wrote: >About the only example of email in transit being considered storage >was a USENET article years ago by someone who considered it a kewl >hack that he had some games or something else which was in breach of >policy in his account and rumor went around that the admin was having >a purge. He tarred, gzipped & uuencoded the lot and emailed it to >himself down a _long_ ! fowarding path. It came back to him around 3 >days later after the purge. That's the kind of thing I mean when I >say you don't consider email storage. Sometimes you can use this trick to get around storage limitations at your ISP. Often mail in the spool file doesn't get added up for the disk quota. When you hit your limit, just e-mail yourself a bunch of megabyte messages. Sysadmins tend not to like this. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBND5t8JaWtjSmRH/5AQFf9wf/TQMiQH4wJXO3Xx/borwAobWIlKQCGmVQ BnflPYg5pDvHOc+vppprb/f5HLZ78p1WaOY9l7vc+aJ97NC346UQAzS8kGyr6WP7 YmHmWRx576CV8EsLWjMZFYB6fZXvvMQd6VGUPC9IKC9Zum2BV1GCUSxGIHFpwNDp ElfqFFlFdVqfh30XEi2e/XK7UKh6bzYMHgfHTEjv+FqV1grXpGlwDHQfWvPMv4s8 ZEO8XM7Sh6DOXEMnrZkKJ0dl9cW8FjphEeYbkePV9oPVuCqC8HF6gzFfGLtWMK6E nj7iuv1QoQPagk4nwogHRUjhuuFg0aDcHieDR7T1HivFReB5fZIHYQ== =HCXe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Why Corporate Message Recovery isn't Key Escrow
by Jon Callas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A number of people have asserted that the Corporate Message Recovery feature is key escrow. From where I sit, the difference is easy to see. My definition of "key escrow" is that another person or organization keeps a copy of the user's secret key. Here's an example, based on actual customers who use key escrow to manage their data: This corporation uses PGP for a number of things. Email, engineering plans, CAD drawings, and so on. They've done so at least since the days when we were Viacrypt, and I believe they even used PGP 2.x. When an employee arrives at this company, they create a key pair for the new employee, hand it to them on a floppy, keeping a duplicate floppy with the keypair on it, which they toss into a safe. Literally. This is key escrow. They do this because they can't afford to lose their files and messages. Their policies require them to keep the secret keys, as if they were the same as keys to offices or file cabinets. I don't know about you, but I'm appalled. Nonetheless, they're our customers. In spite of inheriting them, we have a responsibility as businesspeople to at least listen to their concerns. - From our standpoint, the issue gets even touchier. They don't like what they're doing, and they want us to give them a better way to manage their data. Does anyone really believe that only moral response is to flinch and turn away? I'd like to be in a situation where I didn't have to deal with this. Wanna trade positions? I'll sit over there and cluck my tongue about how adding an extra recipient weakens security while you figure out how to help these folks out of the mess they're in. While you're at it, I'll pen a few lines about how giving clean needles to addicts undermines society, and handing out condoms encourages kids to have sex. Trust me, it's less nerve-wracking than what we have to do to solve this problem, which involves running through hypothetical scenario after hypothetical scenario, balancing the user's privacy against the organizations property rights, the privacy and property rights of one organization against that of another, and so on. Corporate Message Recovery isn't key escrow for a number of reasons. First, it doesn't involve keeping a copy the end-user's secret key. I hope that's obvious now. Second, the system behaves very differently. With a key escrow system, there is a superb McGuffin (which is what Alfred Hitchcock called the crux of a mystery, like the falcon in The Maltese Falcon) - it's the safe. Break into the safe, or lend its contents out, and all Hell breaks loose. Whoever has those keys (which easily fit on a single Zip disk) has the company at its mercy. They can decrypt or sign anything they care to. There is a great thriller to be written here. It isn't so with a CMRK. The worst possible way to use the feature is to have a single, company-wide CMRK. If that gets lost, the thriller you can write isn't nearly as interesting. Yup, you can steal any of the plans, read all the mail, and so on. That's bad. It's deplorable, actually. But it isn't a difference that makes no difference. At least there isn't a gang of keys out there that can sign anything with anyone's ID. This is not the only way to use Corporate Message Recovery, it's just the worst way. Remember, it's just a notation in the self-signature that states, "When you encrypt to me, encrypt to X." That's any X. You can have a different CMRK for every department, every workgroup, or even every user. A sophisticated policy might be that every user sets their supervisor's key to be their CMRK. Another is that everyone in Department X sets their office mate, or lab partner, or other person. You can have anything that suits your group, from Recovery Central, to Recovery Hierarchy, to Recovery Buddy System. The significant improvement that PGP's web of trust has over a traditional hierarchical system is that you can set up a top-down system for validity, but you don't have to (and in our opinion, shouldn't). Analogously, the significant improvement that Corporate Message Recovery has over key escrow is that you can tailor a recovery system to your needs (including and especially deciding it's not for you). Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBND6j8H35wubxKSepEQI58gCfQuiMZCyfe7cD1F2nNgFtluQqGXMAoJUh yHFMApAlDjzwRTCspBi7p9t3 =a2Zo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- Jon Callas jon(a)pgp.com Chief Scientist 555 Twin Dolphin Drive Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Suite 570 (415) 596-1960 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS) 665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628 (RSA)

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17 Dec '03

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Why Corporate Message Recovery isn't GAK
by Jon Callas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There are two things I will discuss in this missive: (1) The assertion that Corporate Message Recovery is "just like Clipper" and why this is not true. (2) The fear a number of people have expressed that Corporate Message Recovery (CMR) could be used by the US government to slide in GAK. I think we're agreed that CMR isn't itself GAK and I'll talk some about why it isn't with (1). CMR isn't like Clipper: * Clipper was a 64-bit key. CMR symmetric keys are full-strength keys (128 bits or more), backed with a full-strength public key. * Clipper's key was set in hardware by the manufacturer, and users were required to use it. A CMR key is a software-enabled key, no user is ever required to use it. There are cases in which a user might "volunteer" to use a CMR because they work for someone who requires it, but that's a problem we'll address with the PGP Secure Resume Server which allows headhunters to securely and anonymously find people who've made bad career decisions. As a corollary of of the previous paragraph, there's no reasonable guarantee with a Clipper device that you haven't been black-bagged with an insecure key. Using a CMR may be unwise, but at least you knowingly did it to yourself. * A CMR key can be revoked, reissued, or changed. You can periodically change it as a matter of policy. You can even stop using it. Clipper's was, again, set in hardware, with no option of not using it. * The Clipper symmetric algorithm was secret; CMR keys use publicly available algorithms. * With Clipper, there was always a concern that an outside agency had the keys. This is true with a number of other systems (the so-called key recovery systems), and is the reason that a number of them are lumped together with the term GAK. Note that the user-organization creates a CMR key, and the end-user enables it. If any government gets access to this key, it is because either (1) they solved the Discrete Logarithm Problem, (2) they broke the public CMR key, (3) they black-bagged your CMR key, or (4) they are using a subpoena, warrant, or discovery to get the key. We're working on a way around (1), we can't do anything about (2) or (3), but these are fine reasons not to use CMR! If you're beset by (4), you need lawyers, not cryptographers. * With Clipper, there was a central repository of all the keys. With CMR, there is not. I discussed that in detail in my message, "Why Corporate Message Recovery isn't Key Escrow." I have noticed that a number of people have the tacit assumption that business people and corporations are in cahoots with the FBI, waiting to hand over everyone's secret key. As in all parts of life, there are many, many businesspeople and corporate execs who are not particularly moral. But I don't think that their immorality takes this form. If we could examine the dark, secret thoughts of a corporate scumwaffle -- the ones that he *really* hopes don't hit the papers -- I sincerely doubt that, "Oh, Louis, I love it when you rummage my drawers" is among them. Now then, the next topic is the fear that CMR will be used in some insidious government plot to slip in GAK everywhere. I worry about this, too. But I don't think it's feasible that CMR can be a stalking horse for GAK. If the government wants to GAK-enable all PGP, they'll have to have a plan similar to this: (1) Buy PGP, Inc. Since our worth is less than the black portion of the Federal Budget, this is not impossible. Would that it were otherwise. Heck, we're probably worth less than the black portion of New Zealand's budget. (2) Fire all the current development staff. This isn't very hard. All the new bosses have to do is round us up in a meeting and announce, "The next version of PGP will have a 40-bit export option." We'll say, "Not while *we're* working for the company!" They'll say, "Fine with us." Keep your eye on the secure resume server for clues of this event. (3) Hire a new staff. This is one of the places that the plan might fall apart. We have such a hard time finding anyone who's qualified to work for us that we have reqs we can't seem to fill. I suppose, though, that they'll be able to find some people willing to relocate from Maryland. (4) Stop the OpenPGP process in the IETF. Some people think that we did this as part of our Evil Plan to Take Over the World by Giving Away Software (hey, it almost worked for Netscape). Other people think it's part of our Evil Plan to Take Over Crypto by Using Unpatented Algorithms. I can neither confirm nor deny these, but I *will* tell you that it's part of our Sniveling Plan To Convince the Feds They Can't Kill PGP by Killing Us, which the source code books also fall into. If OpenPGP succeeds, then anyone can build an interoperable version of PGP, not just us, Highware, Systemics, etc. (5) Wait until bitrot makes all those existing copies of PGP stop working. I could make a few catty remarks about how quickly existing software stops working on new releases of OSes, but you've probably thought of them yourself. There are also a few details left, like shutting down all those international FTP sites, but hey, they're the government, they're omnipotent. Jon - ----- Jon Callas jon(a)pgp.com Chief Scientist 555 Twin Dolphin Drive Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Suite 570 (415) 596-1960 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS) 665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628 (RSA) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBND6mO335wubxKSepEQKpgQCeNxWHHjIucyzRrQV429PKM0sTykAAnjiz byD3SzToLdfkGq+mIyUHji6M =r8nx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- Jon Callas jon(a)pgp.com Chief Scientist 555 Twin Dolphin Drive Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Suite 570 (415) 596-1960 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS) 665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628 (RSA)

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Re: FCPUNX:The Sovereign Individual - ignorant authors
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:12 PM 10/9/97 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > This chapter deals with various aspects of social issues (eg rise of > national languages) and how they led to the growth of nationalism in > general. Toward the end of the chapter (pp. 265 in the hardback) these > idiots (don't know a better term) actualy have the audactity to claim that > Stephen Jay Gould is a neo-creationist, This appears to me to be an accurate depiction of Stephen Jay Gould's views. He claims that humans are fundamentally different from other animals in this regard, and has frequently been ridiculed on this account. I have read some of his writings, for which he was ridiculed, and the ridicule and contempt appears justified to me. > The author of this section has apparently never read a word that Gould has > written. Gould is known as a leading supporter of Punctuated Equilibria and > its various spawn, I have read a fair bit of Gould. His work on the evolution of non humans is perfectly plausible though controversial. His work on humans is shear crap and is not regarded by the relevant experts in the relevant fields as legitimate science. In his field, he is a innovator. Outside his field, he is a crackpot, similar to the flat earthers and the people who claim that Socrates was black, demonstrating that even trained scientists can degenerate into nuttery when they go beyond their area of expertise. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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