December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Theory of the Day!!
by vcarlos35＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

___Theory Of Everything___ Drumroll please... L. Deitweler is the same person as wombat.sympatico.ca. Send all flames, comments, replies, whatever... to me.

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Re: Theory of the Day!!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

vcarlos35(a)juno.com wrote: > > ___Theory Of Everything___ > Drumroll please... > L. Deitweler is the same person as wombat.sympatico.ca. > > Send all flames, comments, replies, whatever... to me. Checked your headers. Turns out, the above is yesterday's theory. Nice try. L. Dietweler

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Re: [NEW] mixer@htp.org ( (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: harka(a)nycmetro.com > Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:06:04 EDT > Subject: Re: [NEW] mixer(a)htp.org ( > > Congrats for the new remailer and a related question: Are the > cypherpunks-e and cypherpunks-j lists now fully included into the > list-distribution from and to the other three nodes? > (The last thing I can recall was, that there were still some > problems with the distribution) cypherpunks-j is indipendent. cypherpunks-e recieves feeds from SSZ. There used to be a problem with traffic with blank subject: headers but recently haven't seen the problem. That was the only problem that I was aware of. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

" If passed, the traditional hamfest flea markets where all sorts of bizzare old radio junk gets traded for cash or swapped for other gear will be largely a thing of the past, as almost all radio receivers and transcievers that hams and other electronic hackers might want to sell or trade will be seriously illegal, and one never knows who that anonymous cash customer really is..." The odds are very good that as technology increases the power & freedom of individuals to make an end run around the state that the state will increasingly make the effort to stop it. This could get really ugly in the future. Indeed, it has already, but most are not awake enough to notice. Devolution or the demise of the central power is a dangerous process to be caught up in. In the case of the fedgov, it has a lot of power to abuse and I expect that the latest encryption fight is just a warmup. If the crooks & criminals in the intelligensia can't get their way legally, then their only option is "any means possible." That covers a lot of territory. Insure youself against the state. The King likes it *his* way. A. From the Cyber-Jurisdiction

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Re:Choices
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Q: "If 1984 was so terrible, why didn't Winston just move to another > year? > A: "Duuhhh..." Q: "How would history have changed if Horatio Alger was black?" A: ???

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Re: PGP 5.5 available outside US
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of > US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version > of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at > ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip I installed it. It seems to automatically encrypt everything to Lucky. Hmmm...

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Strange Days Vol. 2
by doorlist＠doors.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Check us out at http://www.doors.com Included in all the promotion is a new three hour long syndicated radio show (Without a Safety Net) about The Doors aired within the last two days and hundreds of classic rock radio stations played Doors block parties all weekend long to honor this auspicious occasion. Those of you who live in NYC might want to call Tower Records for details because all three Doors will be signing box sets today! For those fans back in Los Angeles be sure to go to the Tower Records on Sunset next Saturday for the same opportunity. On a personal note: I would love to buy any spare copies of the box set that are signed by all three Doors, so if you get the chance why not help me out and help pay for your own box set at the same time! 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Re: I don't need no steenking badge...but I got one anyway
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 2:32 PM -0700 10/28/97, Anonymous wrote: > > >I know what you're thinking, kid. > >You're thinking, "I'm going to try doing this on Halloween, and if I > >get caught, I'm going to tell mom and dad I was checking on the old > >lady's health." > > > >Forget it. You don't have a badge, and you're going to get your > >bottom tanned. > This has some very slight ObCrypto connections, in that badges are, as a > class, taken to be "face value claims of authority." Flashing a badge is > often all it takes to gain entrance to a house, or access to controlled > areas. Indeed, many of the so-called 'off-topic' missives sent to the CPUNX list actually deal with the heart of cryptography/key-identity, namely, "face value claims of" authority/identity. e.g. > >Forget it. You don't have a badge, and you're going to get your > >bottom tanned. Why do the average citizens put up with behavior from legislators and law enforcement agents that they would not tolerate in their children? It is because of the 'forged keys' of authority that they have uploaded to the mainstream media servers... "As an unelected member of an organization created by executive decree, I am happy to accept the reins of power." ...and because of the public misconception that a 'valid key' confers some kind of real authority or integrity on its owner... -----BEGIN CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Timmy C. Mayonnaise carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes." -----END CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > So, with the proliferation of essentially perfect copies of badges, and > laser-printed credentials to match them, what happens to "real" > badge-carrying officers? (And just what _are_ real officers in an era of > ten thousand police and law enforcement jurisdictions, hundreds of agencies > authorized to have their agents carry guns and make arrests, and no > traceability, no top-down authentication system?) "Real officers?" There was a 60 Minutes show recently on "real officers" who rape and murder the citizenry under cover of their badges. {How does this relate to cryptography? Glad you asked...} Who do I send my GAK key to? To the "real officer" who sexually molested and/or raped over a hundred citizens under the cover of authority? To the "real officers" who fired this guy when his activities came to light, but gave him glowing letters of recommendation so that he could move to other law enforcement agencies to continue his criminal activity? To the "real officers" who rape and murder the citizens? To the hundreds/thousands/tens-of-thousands of "real officers" who use their access to LEA databases to get the names and addresses of citizen/victims in order to murder, rape and rob them? > --Lt. Timothy May, sworn Peace Officer, Lagrange County, CLS AnonymousPoliceOfficerRobberRapistMurderer, swearing Piece-of-Ass Officer, Anytown, USA

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Re: Saving money
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10/25/97 7:30 AM, harka(a)nycmetro.com (harka(a)nycmetro.com) passed this wisdom: >Your repeating of government-propaganda about the "abuse of the >welfare-system" etc. doesn't really cut it as an argument in a >discussion about the realism of having total financial independence >and the freedom of choices, that comes with it. no he is not .... he is repeating what we all see in the grocery store checkout lines and in the gutters with regularity ... even here in Vermonte where self-sufficiency is a way of life we see third, fourth, and fifth generation welfare families. I literally just came from picking up groceries in a Grand Union in Essex Junction (biiiggg suburb of Burlington, also home of a big IBM plant) the lady in fromt of me was playing the food stamp game ... there was more junk in that basket along with the beer. I teach 'at risk' students in a high school near here and I am dealing with kids who have some potential to do something with themselves and have no inclination to try. I have a kid who is definitely got the brains to go to college to do something with himself whose main aim in life right now was figuring out how to forge the slip for free school lunches for him and his sister so he can pocket the lunch money from his parents ... yeah, I know, send him into politics! Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...Those of you who turned your swords into plowshares will soon find yourselves under the yokes of those of us who kept our swords..." -- author unknown

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Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim's arms race is as hypnotizing as that of the search for max strength crypto: how to prepare for beseiged last war scenarios, when resupply is overrun with refugees, weather prevents airborne rescue, comm is jammed, deadmeat is piled all around or run away screaming with terror ... or numb with media burnout. Have many other of us have been on that hilltop, too, or struggling to get there RSN 'cause life truly sucks? What you do when no help is coming and nobody on earth gives a FF about your lonely carcass, well, that's when you fire the last .223 where it's been designed to indifferently go, to finally solve Cunanin misjudgments with hoseaway mess. Hard life teaches: The only safelove communication is end to end to yourself, ricochet alarms of system breakdown of pointless existence between heart and head. The universe broadcasts: The only totally impregnable protection of survivalist megalomania hardwired in all of us is to wage war and lose all our ambitions for immortality within our custom-made body bag. Or race ahead terabyte to orthagonal suicide, clearing slow-go bandwidth for reproductive mates to logon to a more reliably lazy DNA ISP.

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Re: NABMLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous (no, another Anonymous!) wrote: >Anonymous wrote: > >> I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys >> fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational >> love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give >> consent. > >That's right. People who are too lazy to drive a fourteen year old >to New Mexico, where they can legally fuck their brains out, should >go to jail for a long, long time. >When I cruise the children's chat lines, I always tell them I would >like to meet them in New Mexico and fuck their brains out. That's >legal. > >What I love about the law is that it gives us clear guidelines to >help us recognize the difference between those filthy fucking >child-molesting perverts fucking fourteen year olds in California, >and the decent, upstanding citizens fucking the fourteen year >olds in New Mexico. Excellent! So have NAMBLA move their HQ to New Mexico. Then they can talk about fucking little boys' brains out to their heart's content, in person or on their Web site, without breaking any local laws. Welcome to the Fifty Fiefdoms. Of course, there'll be changes in the next revision of the Constitution: 1) The First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments will be missing. 2) The Tenth Amendment will be altered so that the it says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people -- unless we feel like usurping them, or we can convince people they don't need them by spreading FUD."

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Source code obfuscation
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer contains comments or useful variable or procedure names? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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dumb and dumber
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

every day I think, 'things can't possibly get any stupider'. and invariably, I am proven wrong. from CNET: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,15721,00.html Next year's Pentium II computers will be subject to export controls if a bill pending in Congress passes. It's expected to come up in the House today. Under an amendment to the 1998 Defense Authorization bill, computer makers shipping machines that can perform 2,000 million theoretical operations per second (MTOPS) or more to developing nations will have to apply to the Commerce Department for an export license. ... Lofgren explained that about the only way to stop the provision from becoming law at this point would be a presidential veto, because the sprawling piece of legislation has already been approved in substance by the House and Senate. etc., etc., etc. sheesh... Ariel Glenn ariel(a)columbia.edu

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Search warrants and Senate hearing on medical privacy
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sitting in a Senate hearing room right now; the topic is medical privacy. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), an occasional friend of civil liberties, is speaking: "How is our right of privacy, one of our most cherised freedoms, going to be protected?" Well, senator, perhaps the best way of protecting our privacy is to ensure that law enforcement officials need a search warrant before browsing through your medical files. Right now police do not need to go before a judge to get your records from your hospital or doctor's office; often "informal arrangements" exist. If a doctor or hospital wants to promise to "protect your privacy," they can't. Yesterday a senior Justice Department official told journalists (in a background briefing at Main Justice) that requiring police to obtain a search warrant could derail counter-terrorism efforts. "Imposing a probable cause standard is something we would vehemently object to," he said. Which explains why he doesn't vehemently object to the legislation this committee is considering. The versions of the "medical privacy" bills I'm familiar with don't include such strict safeguards. We require the FBI to obtain a search warrant to enter your house or office: why shouldn't we require the same for medical files? At yesterday's briefing some of us asked what safeguards are in place to prevent dragnet fishing by police. For instance, what if agents access a 1,000,000-person database during a medical fraud case and stumble across someone who's being treated for illegal drugs? Can they prosecute that person for drug crimes? Yes, they're allowed to but they probably won't. "I don't see that as being a realistic issue," the Justice Department official said. -Declan

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Re: Source code obfuscation
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green sez: : Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to : obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer : contains comments or useful variable or procedure : names? I believe HP once was forced to supply sourcecode to a French guvmint agency. They did just that, the source they supplied would compile but there were no clues inside. (don't have a ref for this story though) The French weren't amused. -- Alex de Joode | usura(a)SABOTAGE.ORG | http://www.sabotage.org Sabotage Internet: Your Internet Problem Provider.

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PGP and GMR
by Matthew Maxson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- All, Sorry about that blank post. It was qued up to send and I did not realize it I am new to this list and cryptogrophy, and have a few questions. 1)what is CMR? 2) how does it relate to PGP? 3) what is GAK? I have gathered that it is a back door that will encrypt all messags to the goverment (or some other official body) as well as encrypting it to the recipiant. Also, I assume that PGP 5.X has added this to their encryption scheme to allow companies to read employee e-mail. Does PGP 2.6.2 have this back door into it? tnx for your help. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNFYSjQ5f1xn5SKgdAQEEAwP/VGRd2CcQubkDAQH7G6lOU7ShvxjqBYke 4ZJ3RyMLvWkTIFtJJIpIY0fRtkkw9OL0dxQdfCSyk/gNedh7viTEB5ozTwBT7jfd Jaz4euv+XHuvVfTXTI6Iy+i0XufRaxGxX9sn8vj6UKdLa+L/nzEwRsbyDOpASqvK Pb4t7jJj0FE= =wPLv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- <>< e-mail: maxson1(a)marshall.edu www: http://webpages.marshall.edu/~maxson1 My ham call is KC8CDT.

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Thanksgiving Cookbook
by 68363368＠gte.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Roby latest
by Jeff Barber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See http://www.sj-r.com/roby.html for the latest. My favorite excerpt: > Illinois State Police feared that any progress in getting Allen - who's > suspected to suffer from paranoia, delusions and suicidal thoughts - to > exit on her own may have been undone. On Sunday, troopers broke out most > of the remaining windows in Allen's house, tossed nine pepper-spray > grenades inside and sent a police dog in to subdue Allen. > > All the tactics failed: Allen fired what police believe was a small-caliber > handgun as troopers inserted mirrors into her house to look around, she > apparently huddled in a bathroom to ward off the pepper spray, and she > shot the police dog through the mouth. [snip] > Police movement toward the house was sparked by a long silence inside. > Despite sophisticated surveillance and listening devices monitoring > the house, Allen hadn't been seen or heard since 1 p.m. Saturday, > McDonald said (not 1 a.m. as previously reported). Troopers wanted to > see if she had collapsed or fallen ill. > > Should similar circumstances arise again, police may try different > tactics to check Allen's health. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh! They were checking her health! Of course. -- Jeff

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RE: Source code obfuscation
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to >obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer >contains comments or useful variable or procedure >names? <URL:http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/software/devtools/> has 2 shareware tools for C code. I also know there is/was some kind of commercial tool, that used to be used by Abraxas <URL:http://www.abxsoft.com/> for their CodeCheck product in Unix configurations. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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ITAR a la Canada
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone know if Canada has accepted all of the restrictions under ITAR? Specifically, U.S. companies must (I assume) identify your domain before permitting access to restricted versions of software. Does the same apply for Canada?

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Re: cryptographic anecdotes
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Julian Assange wrote: >I'm involved in producing a segment on cryptograpic issues for Radio >National (ABC) to be aired latter this week. I have no problems with >the technical issues but could use some (reliable) "colour" i.e small >quirky or unusual anecdotes that will draw in and hold the larger >order of listeners who don't otherwise have any cryptography/ >cryptographic-policy background. > > e.g o RSA export-a-crypto-system .sig > o algorithm tatoos (couldn't find any confirmation of > this :() http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ has a picture and name of the person with the RSA tattoo.

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Kids...don't try this at home! / Re: Roby latest
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Barber wrote: > See http://www.sj-r.com/roby.html for the latest. > My favorite excerpt: > > > Illinois State Police feared that any progress in getting Allen - who's > > suspected to suffer from paranoia, delusions and suicidal thoughts - to > > exit on her own may have been undone. On Sunday, troopers broke out most > > of the remaining windows in Allen's house, tossed nine pepper-spray > > grenades inside and sent a police dog in to subdue Allen. I know what you're thinking, kid. You're thinking, "I'm going to try doing this on Halloween, and if I get caught, I'm going to tell mom and dad I was checking on the old lady's health." Forget it. You don't have a badge, and you're going to get your bottom tanned. KidMonger

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Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:24:41 -0500 From: David Kaufman <davidk(a)air.com> Reply-To: davidk(a)air.com Organization: Allied International Resources MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ? 12:51 PM ET 10/28/97 FBI chief calls for computer crime crackdown ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - FBI director Louis Freeh said Tuesday that criminals were moving increasingly into cyberspace and without new laws ``drug dealers, arms dealers, terrorists and spies will have immunity like no other''. Freeh told the International Association of Chiefs of Police that software manufacturers should be required by law to include a feature that allows police to descramble encrypted communications. ``It could take a $30 million supercomputer a year to figure out the simplest encrypted message without this feature,'' Freeh said. ``And that message might be 'we have the victim and will kill him in an hour'.'' ``We're not opposed to encrypting. Encrypting is very important when transacting business but encrypting makes it very hard to enforce court orders for surveillance.'' Freeh said he supported a cyber surveillance law with these features which passed out of the House Intelligence Committee. That bill has the support of the FBI, Justice Department, Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal law enforcement agencies but does not have White House backing. ``Our own administration has not gotten behind this initiative. There are some very powerful industry forces opposing this,'' Freeh said. The ability of criminals to communicate with one another with computers is changing the face of law enforcement, Freeh said. ``All the boxes of evidence we used to bring back have been replaced by hard drives and discs. When we graduate our agents we give them in addition to a gun and a badge a laptop computer.'' ^REUTERS@ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Use a Mac...Go to Jail / Re: Saving money
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian B. Riley wrote: > Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr > For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> > > "...Those of you who turned your swords into plowshares will soon > find yourselves under the yokes of those of us who kept our swords..." > -- author unknown I have always envisioned Mac users as sitting at their computers and drawing flowers while they bounce a cute baby on their knee. Lately, however, I have seen increasing militantism from a wide variety of Mac users, from the quote above to "MacNuke DC" ranters. Is this a 'Death of the '60's' thing, or a sign of 'Armageddon'?

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Another CDR member?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I received a subscription today from cypherpunks(a)comsec.com. I believe there is another node on the CDR. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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