December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by secret＠nsa.fbi.cia.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An interesting anti-censorship experiment is currently taking place on Usenet. It's ingredients: One Libertarian-minded California ISP named InterBBS which provides a variety of services to various pay XXX Web sites, for resale to their customers, including an uncensored, unfiltered, and unexpurgated newsfeed, which InterBBS is protected by Common Carrier status from liability for the contents of. A nifty piece of software, recently added to InterBBS, which runs something called "newspix", a web-based interface to Usenet binaries pictures groups, pre-decoded and cross-referenced for your instant point-and-clicking pleasure. A guy named "Dave", a customer of InterBBS, who is reselling the services of InterBBS through a pay boy pictures site, including web access to a number of boy-related erotica newsgroups, whose content neither Dave nor InterBBS controls. Dave is very careful to tell us that it is imperative that we not download anything which would be illegal according to our community standards, and that if we "unknowingly" do so, we should delete it immediately. InterBBS, and its lawyers, maintain that their decoded neatly indexed web-accessible Usenet pictures service enjoys the same immunity for its content due to their Common Carrier status as the raw newsfeed does, and of course, they wouldn't think of keeping records on which customers read which Usenet articles. The owner of InterBBS is Marlin Schwanke, who also runs *CENSORED*.com, and is well known for giving bandwidth to persecuted causes. The net effect of all of these things coming together is that there now exists convenient pseudoanonymous web access to all boy-related child porn pictures posted to Usenet, for a small fee you may bill monthly to the credit card of your choice. This new service has caused a huge rift amongst Net Boylovers, who believe that even if this operation is technically legal, and protects the confidentiality of its customers, that such conspicuous promotion of locations on Usenet where illegal material is very likely to be found, and facilitating its easy access to the non-technically minded for profit, is not in anyones best interests. For Further Reading: http://boypics.com/newspix.html (Dave's Naughty Pix) http://www.ivan.net/bc/messages/38850.htm (Marlin Answers His Critics) http://www.interbbs.com/ (InterBBS home page) Surely the Feds are not going to take this lying down. :) Will Marlin and Dave be dragged to Tennessee or Utah to face trial in front of a bunch of inbred jurors? Will yokels from the cast of "Deliverance" in the courtroom audience squeal like pigs when the words "10 year old erect penis" are mentioned? Will Dave get a cell next to Robert Thomas of AA BBS fame? Will Reno and Freeh engage in unnatural sex and have a deformed cow? Is this the technology that will finally drive Officer Mike "Sewer Site" Paladino to take his own life? Stay tuned for the next episode of "Boy Pics from Dave." --BoySexMonger

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17 Dec '03

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Choices
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Both Monty Cantsin and WHGIII have commented upon current personal conditions being the result of one's past choices (leading up to it). While I agree from a mere causal viewpoint, on a personal level I would like to point out a few things nevertheless: We can take as given, that everybody's life is a stream of decisions or choices. We make 'em to the best of our ability as we go along in life. However, having a choice in matters does not imply the guarantee of making the _right_ choices. In fact, even society acknowledges that fact by making certain choices available only after a certain point in life, such as voting, marriage, driving, drinking etc.etc on the ground, that making such decisions requires a certain level of insight and maturity. But there's _still_ no guarantee for making right choices even after the "magical" age of 18 (or 21). The only thing one can do is to gather enough information in order to make the best choice based on available information and conditions _known_ to you _at that time_. And here's also the catch. By making a certain choice, one does usually _not_ choose the consequences of his/her actions consciously! In fact, the possible consequences may not even be foreseeable, predictable or expected in any way! One does not drive a car with the previous conscious knowledge of crashing it and living in a wheelchair ever after. One does not climb Mt. Everest with the expectation of perishing in a snow-storm. One does not start using PGP based on the prediction, that your key will be GAK'ed at some point. Let's take the example of Janice one more time (violins for Monty:)) : certainly her decision to get married and have 4 kids was her personal and free choice at that time. But it was not foreseeable nor expectable for her, that her husband would take off after a while for another chick, leaving her with the kids and a bunch of bills to pay! Thus she married him and later did what every wife would do: supporting him while he went to school instead of keeping the money for herself as a backup-cushion in case he leaves. Is that really so out of the ordinary a choice?? But even if one is able to make fairly good decisions overall in life: you may not have previous conditions necessary to make certain choices. If you're born into a poor family, who just can't afford to send you to College, how much of a choice to study will you have in that event? More likely is, that you'll have to work and aid in the support of the family instead of going to College. But are you to be held responsible for the conditions that you are born into or grow up under? Clearly not. As you go along in life, one's personal ability to influence your surroundings, conditions and overall life increase (with right effort). But to expect everybody to be able to make certain choices in a certain (right) way, or even expecting those choices being available, is not based on the realities of life but a mere projection from _your_ reality onto "theirs". So is the statement of "screw 'em all" (if they weren't able to make certain choices for reasons we don't know about). Not only does it lack basic notions of humanity, such as caring for other people, but also devalues the human ability to learn and change. Just because you were young and careless (out of lack of understanding at that time) or you were born in a slum in Rio de Janeiro (or NYC) shouldn't mean, that you should still get "screwed" for it when you're fifty or you now deserve the dis-respect of society and no chances anymore. You may have never had them... While technically it is probably correct to say, that current conditions are caused by previous actions (different people have different expressions for that: karma, choices, fate etc.), there's no justification for suffering and certainly none for watching it passively and saying "they deserve it", IMHO. But then this is also a valid choice one can freely make. You just have to live with the consequences of it :) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "Of course I care about other people...I watch CNN!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFOmJjltEBIEF0MBAQHsKwf/Sh6IWC0UCvSiWAQsTcmDqyw4k6v7AuIg z0IlsrcSbpkBA0c3q2ghaq2TfqFIfOgSIIFr8FKK2Za3erIp6yPfcvc8V+7Lwg70 r7tnBM0janv/3j9asehV4PxiXtghQIZOxqL+14yzKgCHGzYkDglIzMmOBOcz2xrQ lziiPMirHzOii06PJ0daBwhxhqva4zw2m6fWnqdkMfr2/mNZ8/39Y8juCqG6AeSs /WP4D4cpXP581ldHskRMkTvYZEEN6IjnRU9PwWbYvSikU61Y7LXTaD4H39N4Xr2V LYx0AdvAmaOC4H3f/8tU29AkAMFgsVGn3moKzG2FE6frFlbG3L1HPg== =XB87 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Choices
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You are What you do When it counts The Masao ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Ohio registers Trick-or-Treaters [CNN] [Politics]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > OHIO TOWN REQUIRES TRICK-OR-TREATERS TO BE LICENSED > > Graphic October 26, 1997 > Web posted at: 4:29 p.m. EST (2129 GMT) > > BRIDGEPORT, Ohio (CNN) -- The Bridgeport City Council, fearing too > many out-of-town children would descend on the community for > Halloween, is requiring trick-or-treaters to have a license to ask > for candy this year. > > Kids age 14 and under who register with the city will be given an > orange sticker to wear in order to receive goodies. Bridgeport has > also moved Halloween celebrations from Friday to Thursday to avoid > busy Friday night traffic. > > While Police Chief William Fraser is going along with the sticker > plan, he and his officers won't be out looking for unlicensed > goblins. After all, there won't be a penalty for not having a > sticker. > > The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: Click HERE for Boy Sex
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

secret(a)nsa.fbi.cia.org writes: [And to think I almost deleted this without reading it, presuming it was SPAM] > InterBBS, and its lawyers, maintain that their decoded neatly indexed > web-accessible Usenet pictures service enjoys the same immunity for > its content due to their Common Carrier status as the raw newsfeed > does, and of course, they wouldn't think of keeping records on which > customers read which Usenet articles. Didn't the feds raid some company right here in Texas a while back, called NetPics, for providing decoded Usenet pictures via a Web interface? As I recall, NetPics got raided even though they tried to filter out child porn, and had all of their equipment seized. One hesitates to even think of what the feds will do to someone who is deliberately offering only decoded boysex newsgroups over the Web, but it will undoubtedly involve sharpened castration shears and lots of really bad publicity. > The net effect of all of these things coming together is that there > now exists convenient pseudoanonymous web access to all boy-related > child porn pictures posted to Usenet, for a small fee you may bill > monthly to the credit card of your choice. Providing the Feds haven't already taken it over, killed everyone associated with it, and decided to run it as a sting. Of course, this is an interesting legal question. Clearly, offering raw Usenet content the ISP doesn't originate absolutely shields the ISP from responsibility for the material, under current telecommunications law. The unanswered legal question is whether processing the raw news feed in some way, such as would be needed to provide web access to decoded pictures, also enjoys the same protection. It would seem that automatic transcoding of Usenet, in a way which is not content sensitive, should not be considered the origination of new content. On the other hand, the Feds are hardly going to sit still for a URL which, when clicked upon, fills ones browser screen with hundreds of thumbnails of blond pre-teen Scandinavian boys in mid-orgasm, with a legend which reads - "Click on thumbnail to get full-sized picture." And all for only $6 a month. > http://www.ivan.net/bc/messages/38850.htm (Marlin Answers His Critics) This guy has elephant-sized balls. I wish him well in his quest to push the envelope. Certainly a lot more interesting than Prof. Bernstein and that Snuffle thing. :) > Surely the Feds are not going to take this lying down. :) "If it saves only one child..." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan writes: >Folks on f-c and cypherpunks have mirrored holocaust revisionist web >pages, banned books, and censored newspapers. Now I understand that NAMBLA >is in danger of losing its home on the web. Anyone up for mirroring the >(text-only) publications of perhaps the world's most controversial >organization? Nah, I'll pass on this one. If the membership list is included, I'd be glad to forward it to my local police, though... I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give consent. All Hillary Klinton's "It Takes A Village" bullshit aside, I can't see giving NAMBLA the same kind of protection as someone like Zundel. Ratbert

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Republic of Texas seperatist go on trial [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > TRIAL SET FOR REPUBLIC OF TEXAS SEPARATISTS > > > > ALPINE, Texas (Reuters) - Texas separatists who held off police in a > seven-day armed standoff in May before surrendering are to go on > trial this week on charges of engaging in organized criminal > activity. > > Republic of Texas "ambassador" Richard McLaren and three of his > followers could face up to 99 years in prison if found guilty of the > first-degree state felony charges. > > McLaren and his bodyguard Robert "White Eagle" Otto are facing trial > together, as are Gregg and Karen Paulson, a married couple who also > joined the Republic of Texas group. > > All four defendants claim that Texas was illegally annexed by the > United States in 1845 and that neither state or federal courts have > jurisdiction over them. > > Prosecutors allege McLaren and his followers are common criminals > who used the rhetoric of Texas independence as a cover for > fraudulent schemes aimed at taking property away from individuals > and businesses. > > McLaren, his wife and several other Republic members also face > separate federal fraud and conspiracy charges for allegedly issuing > $1.8 billion in bogus financial warrants. > > Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Re: Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:33:58 -0800 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)bywater.songbird.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonal > The first context where I am aware of this use of the term orthogonal > is from language design -- it was promoted by Niklaus Wirth and other > purists, with languages like Pascal, Modula, CLU, and so on. Larry > Wall's "perl" language, with its slogan "there's more than one way to > do it", is a direct revolt against the language purists. > > The basic idea is that a computer language should have the minimum > number of constructs necessary to span the intended application. So > for example, you don't provide hyperbolic trig functions, because the > user can implement them using simpler math functions. On the other > hand, you do supply commonly used math functions that would otherwise > require iterative algorithms. > > I do believe the use of the term this way was inspired by the > notion of a 'basis' in a vector space -- a set of orthogonal > vectors that span the space, ideally, unit vectors. Can you better define the term 'basis'? I can see the union 'build complicated things out of basic building blocks' and the use of Occam's Razor (I'm as lazy as any other programmer) but fail to see how this maps to anything relating to the concept of orthogonal. Which clearly doesn't have any inherent minimalist cast. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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cryptographic anecdotes
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm involved in producing a segment on cryptograpic issues for Radio National (ABC) to be aired latter this week. I have no problems with the technical issues but could use some (reliable) "colour" i.e small quirky or unusual anecdotes that will draw in and hold the larger order of listeners who don't otherwise have any cryptography/ cryptographic-policy background. e.g o RSA export-a-crypto-system .sig o algorithm tatoos (couldn't find any confirmation of this :() o if cryptography is arms, then US constitution right to bear arms o programming languages embody freedom of speech (patel) o (otoh) machine-understandable languages are not protected speech: as soon as a computer can understand Ulysses it's no-longer protected. (I'm not sure about Ulysses but Oracle and the computational linguistics groups at Edinburgh and MIT have code to perform summaries of the King James bible). Cheers, Julian. -- Prof. Julian Assange |"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your | Ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down proff(a)iq.org | people's throats." proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | -- Howard Aiken

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Re: NAMBLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys > fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational > love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give > consent. All Hillary Klinton's "It Takes A Village" bullshit aside, I can't > see giving NAMBLA the same kind of protection as someone like Zundel. > > Ratbert I am being in agreement with Mr. Ratbert, here. I am seeing the writing of women in your country who write about the showing of their bare legs and the uncovering of their faces and I am thinking that this also should not get the protection of being able to write about such abominations. And making the rape with minors is also an abomination, unless you have bought them from their families, and then it is OK that you should write about it. I am stoning to death just last week a man who raped a ten year old girl without paying any dowry, and people should not write about this either. I would like to meet some cypherpunks girls with their faces uncovered sometimes, but just for the evening, OK? Mr. Ratali

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:03:16 -0800 > From: David Sternlight <david(a)sternlight.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery > > Do all E-Mail vendors need to be cryptologist?? > > If the client's e-mail is to be secure, yes. But let's be accurate here. I absolute agree we need to be accurate. To that end, it is not the applications that need security but rather the network and session layers. > > Do all cryptologist need > > to be application vendors?? Obviously not. > > Now that IS nonsensical because cryptology is a wide and deep art only a small > part of which has to do with mail applications themselves. In contrast, mail > applications to be secure must use encryption. There's some very muddy > thinking going on in your post. He said 'application vendors', not just mail. Pay attention to the details of the argument and quit trying to change the subject without specificaly noteing the change, otherwise known as a strawman. His muddy thinking doesn't stand alone. > > PGP is a tool much like a > > database is. The majority of vendors who develop apps that require a > > database do not go out and write their own, rather they use a database > > engine that is suited to their needs. > > Except for the occasional password protection, databases don't need encryption > to the extent e-mail does. I work everyday with the NSA, CIA, Dod, Army, SAIC, all the phone companies, many of the major banks, Intel, Human Genome Project, etc. Every one of these folks would disagree with you. In fact it was one of the motivating factors behind Tivoli comming out with their new Security Management application because vendors required us to move away from our custom databases and toward industry standards (Oracle, Sybase, Informix, DB2, DBMX, etc.) *AND* at the same time requiring a better security mechanism than the existing one we use (DES & Kerberos based). The reality of the market does not support your thesis. > You miss the point here. And you miss the many worked examples. RSA is selling > lots and lots of toolkits for lots and lots of money for in-line integration > into applications, not for pre- and post-processing. The former is the way to > go; the latter a kludge until something better comes along. Are they involved with the new Cryptographic Standard projects of the government and Tivoli - IBM? I don't think so, at least I still haven't seen them involved in any of the work I have had access to so far; much to my own personal disappointment. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:13:12 -0800 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)bywater.songbird.com> > Subject: Re: Orthogonal (fwd) > > > I do believe the use of the term this way was inspired by the > > > notion of a 'basis' in a vector space -- a set of orthogonal > > > vectors that span the space, ideally, unit vectors. > > > > Can you better define the term 'basis'? > > This is basic linear algebra: > > V a vector space -- the set of all (s1,s2,s3,...,sn), where si is an > element of the set of reals. Actualy si (scalars) can be rational, real, or complex. It is also possible to use more general structures such as fields. [1] Note that complex numbers numbers may be used, in other words a vector can be used to multiply another vector. > A set of vectors {v1,v2,...,vm} in V is A vector of vectors, and you haven't even really defined vector yet...:( > linearly independent if there is no set of scalars {c1,c2,...,cm} with > at least one non-zero element such that sum(ci*vi) == 0 Are you saying: (c1*v1)+(c2*v2)+...+(cn*vn) <> 0 where at least one ci is <>0, is some sort of test for membership in a vector space? What about, (1/c1*v1)+(-1/c2*v2)+(0*v3)...+(0*vn) = 0, 1 -1 if so it should be clear that except for the case of c=0 there is always a way to take two, which is clearly more than one, of the scalars and cause the sum to be zero. Now if you have a single non-zero scalar multiplier then it seems reasonable that you can create such a structure that is always <>0. > A set of > vectors S spans In other words 'are expressible in'? > a vector space V iff every element of V can be expressed > as a linear combination of the elements of S. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Need to better define this one. The operations that are applicable to a vector space are: [1] 1. Associative law of addition: (x+y)+z = x+(y+z) 2. Commutative law of addition: x+y=y+x 3. Existance of zero: x+0=x for all x in V 4. Existance of inverses: x+(-x)=0 5. Associative law of multiplication: a(bx)=(ab)x 6. Unital law: 1*x=x 7. First distributive law: a(x+y)=(a*x)+(a*y) 8. Second distributive law: (a+b)*x=(a*x)+(b*x) where x is of the form 'asubn(x^n)+bsubn-1(x^n-1)+...+asub1x+asub0' This is a remarkably circular definition to present. In clearer wording; The set of vectors S is expressible in a vector space V iff S is contained in V. While this may be a requirement or test for membership in a vector space (as used below) it doesn't qualify as a definition. > Finally, a basis for > V is a linearly independent set of vectors in V that spans V. A > space is finite dimensioned if it has a finite set for a basis. The ^^^ set of what? > standard basis (or natural basis) for a vector space of dimension n > is th set of vectors > > (1,0,0,...0) > (0,1,0,...0) > (0,0,1,...0) In other words, any 'vector' can be expressed as the sum of the multiplication of unit elements by some set of scalars. Is this definition something you just wrote or would you be so kind as to give the reference if it isn't. This definition uses 'basis', doesn't define it. You can't use a term to define the term, it's called circular reasoning. My question still stands, can you please better define 'basis'. Or is your claim that basis is simply a way of stating 'elements of unit magnitude'? Furthermore, a definition of vector space has nothing to do with orthogonal measurement systems, it does have to do with polynomials. It just so happens that this sort of geometry shares the same sort of rules, that doesn't make them the same thing. There is nothing in your description, in particular the nifty little (*,*,*,...*)'s that implies any sort of measurement system based on line-segment axis that are 90 degrees apart, merely that there is more than one variable (ie x,y,z,...a) involved. Vector space - a vector space is a set of objects or elements that can be added together and multiplied by numbers (the result being an element of the set), in such a way that the usual rules of calculations hold. [1] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| [1] The VNR Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics Gellert, Kustner, Hellwich, Kastner ISBN 0-442-22646-2 17.3 Vector spaces pp. 362 [Hallowen Trivia] 'Dracula' is a word derived from 'dracul' meaning dragon and was given to Vlad Tepish, whose name means 'son of the devil', he was further known as Vlad the Impaler because he would impale people on poles and place them along the roads in Transylvania. When he died in 1496 his head was impaled on a stick as well.

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa (fwd) > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:40:15 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Jim Choate wrote: > > > Food: $600/month (generous) > > > > Hell, I'm single and come close to this and food costs in Texas are a LOT > > lower than in New York. Though I do eat out at lunch every weekday. And no, > > I don't go partying regularly at all. Way too busy with work (>16hrs/day > > 5 days a week & 16-20 on weekends) to do that other than a couple of times a > > month. I went to the store today and bought enough food for 4 days and it > > cost me $30. So that comes to something like $250 - $300 for me not counting > > lunches, and that's for just a single person. Multiply that for 6 and the > > numbers are considerably higher. > > Oh my Gawd! And I thought I was spending too much on food! I guess the > prices in OK are the same as in TX. >From the times I have been in Oklahoma (my family is ensconced along the Red River - Murphies, Joneses, Peoples, etc.) I would say the costs are about the same. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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DoS
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was forwarded to me in house. Just FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:38:28 -0600 From: Chris Silker <csilker(a)means.net> MCI RELEASES FREE DENIAL OF SERVICE TRACKER SECURITY TOOL MCI has released an interesting piece of software called the Denial of Service Tracker (DoS). The security program helps track the source of denial of service attacks, which aim to overload a target computer system to the point that it's unusable for anything else. According to MCU, the DoS Tracker works against SYN, ICMP flood, bandwidth saturation, and concentrated source attacks, and is currently being modified to detect other DoS-based attacks, including a new attack called the Smurf. The info, a free download, and all the technical information is at the site. A must have for sysops. <http://www.security.mci.net/dostracker> =-=-=-=-=-= Robert Hayden rhayden(a)means.net UIN: 3937211 IP Network Administrator http://rhayden.means.net MEANS Telcom (612) 230-4416

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PGP 5.5 available outside US
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip PGP 5.5 features superior LDAP keyserver integration, multiple signature categories, and automatic decryption (set Preferences -> Email -> Automatically Decrypt). "You heard the rumors. Now try it yourself." :-) -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Mmphmmphmmmph! (WAS Re: I Broke PGP!!!)
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That was the sound of me eating crow. Although I am a closet reader of the True Story of the Internet series I am generally perturbed by the many of the inane Truthmonger posts to the list. I had decided several days ago to make a small apology to Truthmonger for some of my more emotional attacks on him (or her) but I put it off and put it off. I decided not to put it off after reading the following: Six wrote: > Bonus Question: "Who is TruthMonger #1?" > Bonus Answer: "He's Randall Farmer's best friend." That is _exactly_ what I thought when I read Randalls whining post about how Truthmongers rudeness might necessitate Randall instituting security and identity procedures that would enable others to verify whether a digitally signed message was indeed from himself. When I saw Tokoyo Rose echoing my thoughts then I thought I should take the trouble to point out what I myself learned from Truthmonger. [Although I am not certain if it is the same one.] I made the mistake of informing several people that the exercise that was suggested in Epiloge 5? of Infowar was bullshit but when I tried it it spit out my secret key like a hot damn much to my surprise. So I owe Truthmonger an apology but it will not be a public one. [Very few of you would know me anyway since I am mostly a list lurker.] The reason I will not make a public apology is because I also had PGP spit out the secret keys of my boss and coworkers. Although I am not a bad person in general possession of these keys is making me begin to think like Truthmonger. I will probably just test whether I can indeed password break them and use them to decipher a few files and then erase my copy of them. [Maybe.] [Maybe I should make my .sig line "Beware of Truthmonger inside!"] I did a search for the post that Tokoyo Rose talked about Truthmongers nephew adding things to Truthmongers email and found: > Also, as a 'teaser', I would like to announce to one and all that > the quickly closing saga of 'InfoWar' will include an epilogue > chapter titled, "I Broke PGP," written by myself. > Believe it or not, I speak the truth, although not in a way that > it direct and obvious. > If you think I am bullshiting, then stop washing your asshole, > starting today, because if you can show me I am wrong, I will kiss > your ugly, hairy ass. > > Love and Kisses, > TruthMangler After looking at other posts that have Truthmangler in them instead of Truthmonger I think that it might be a sign that the nephew is messing with them since they seem to have things inserted in them which appear to come more from a childs mind than Truthmongers. [If that is possible.] (;>) I would be interested in finding out if other people have been able to get secret keys using the method described in the Infowar book. We are using PGP 2.6.3i. I wonder about other versions. Croweatingmonger

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re: Hlep
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Misty Ed the incredible talking horse.

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Re: Singaporean control freaks & CMR (Re: puff pieces vs tough crypto issues)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Harish Pillay wrote: >I don't think the "micro management" is at it's worst in Singapore - not by >a long shot. It is true that the Singapore government tries to do so and >in a lot of what they attempt, they somehow come out smelling roses. But >they have goofed up royally as well. ................................................................... If you don't mind my asking in front of everybody, how do you stand it, living there? Do you get very frustrated (it sounds as though you might), and want to leave for Anguilla? Do you remind yourself not to litter with those gum wrappers you're not supposed to have anyway, what do you think when you're being incentivized to find a sexual partner and produce children, or to Do This and Not do That or risk painful punishments? Do co-workers become critical of each other's petty "crimes", do you feel opressed all around, or is it not as bad as it seems from here? .. Blanc

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

harka(a)nycmetro.com wrote: >Further it is a social issue of importance also for Cypherpunks. >Obviously we don't want governments "taking care of people", but >desire individual freedom, self-determination and independence >instead. However, as proven such things are possible in the "free >market" only to a limited degree, i.e not applicable by default to >everybody, IMHO. [. . .] >If anybody _does_ have a solution, that enables _all_ people >(regardless of background) to become truly free and also provides a >realistic way to achieve that (for everybody), then I'll be more >than happy to listen and to adjust my own perspective. .................................................. The concept of a free market is not that it will "make you" free, nor that it shall "provide you" ("you" being any one engaged in the exchange of goods/services) with a perfect life, free of worry and the work of thought and decision-making, creating the "perfect life" solution for everybody. A free market doesn't "do things" for a person in spite of themselves. In a free market scenario it is intended that any individual will be a free agent - free from government interferance, free from government compulsion - to create their *own* life's "solution", satisfactory to themselves (regardless of whether it agrees with, or is at variance to, any one else's standards of living). It is intended that an individual will be left to their own devices, to seek out the methods which they themselves calculate will lead to the achievement of their own goals, according to their own vision of success - that is, not the government's vision of success, nor the vision of their neighbor, or of their mother-in-law, or anyone else who wants to shape one's life for them and tell one what to do with it and how (no, Jim Choate, I am not discriminating against Mothers-in-law, I'm just using them as a stereotypical example of an interfering busy-body. Don't worry about it.). It is way too easy to say that if you don't like something (like working for a certain employer) you should change employers (easier to say than done). But the real aim of this argument is against the attitude of tolerance, of tolerating the unacceptable or uncomfortable; it is that when a person finds themselves seemingly trapped, they should not merely suffer the circumstance (or worse, whine about it to everyone within earshot), but should rather orient themselves towards finding a creative solution and never cease searching for a way out. Because nothing is created or advanced into improvement by merely tolerating the intolerable, by just "taking what was given", or from continuing to bear up under low standards of functioning. The "free market " is not for the purpose of freeing everyone from the work of solving their own problems; the idea is to leave them free to negotiate with others on the terms of their interactive business arrangements (you know - work/pay, hours/compensation, overtime/stock options, your place/my place, etc. Ideally, that is. As everyone knows, we do not live in a "pure" free-market economy, therefore these negotiations are presently all regulated, to force everyone into a standardized success & happiness). There are many obstacles to overcome in an imperfect world, in an imperfect society, in an imperfect economy, under imperfect governments, not to mention all the competition. It is very discouraging and sometimes you want to hug your Teddy Bear for comfort [ :>) ]. But sometimes the first, and largest, obstacle to overcome is one's own pessimism and negativity against mustering up the courage and creativity to "push the envelope". This fatalism is what is being criticized. .. Blanc

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to wrote: > OK, I must be missing something. How can it be more evil if the email > isn't automatically sent to the owner of the MK key than if the email is > automatically cd'ed? Uh, don't understand the question. The issue is that it's being encrypted to multiple keys for one recipient. > Agreed. And so did PGP 2.x and any version of PGP that allows for > encryption to multiple keys. Anybody can take the 2.6 source and hardcode > in a second recipient key. But, for the fifth or sixth time, _that isn't being shipped as standard by PGP_. > I read the recently proposed alternatives > and fail to see how they would prevent GMR any more than PGP's solution. > All I saw were convoluted and frequently hasty designs, many of which > lend themselves even more to GAK then what PGP did. Really? I seem to recall Jon Callas saying my system 'redesigned CMR' but was simpler than theirs. The mere fact that CMR requires an enforcer implies that it's a convoluted and hasty design. > Once, (as many of you know IMHO it is a "once", not an "if") GAK becomes > mandatory, it can be implemented with 2.6 just a easy as > with 5.5. But it can't; for a start 2.6-based GAK won't interoperate with international versions the way that CMR will. Cutting the US off from encrypted mail from the rest of the world would probably not go down too well. Lucky, one question: wouldn't you be complaining if Netscape or Microsoft were shipping a system which enforced encryption to snooping keys? Why should we feel any differently about PGP? Mark

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Re: CMR versus GAK?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lutz wrote: >May be in your (poor) country. There is a world outside US. Good point, and note that there are many other worlds within the US besides the LOOD stud-employer-has-manifest-destiny-control version. But it is good marketing to sell fearful business owners gadgets and to perpetuate their sense of knowing what's going on behind their backs, as with frightened pols, spies, cops, parents and straights, leaky prophylactics supplemented with arms to bear when the hints of betrayal and inadequacy become unbearable. Not that the gadgets and arms work when you can't ID or crosshair the elusive backalley cats aprowl. Same goes for workers and youngsters who think the bosses and oldsters are duncemunge: WSJ, Dilbert and Phrack are funnies to avoid the admitting the deeper complicity of secret crossovers by your favorite peer group into the opposing camps, political, economic, legal, scientific, not to say no longer secure national and sexual borders. LOOD = Long Out Of Date

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Don't Worry, Be Happy
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Unix and other OSes were designed for Elite Techno-savvy Info Warriors like yourselves. Windows and the other MS apps are designed to appeal to the "common folk" who would still rather use a pc than a Mac in spite of psychological counseling against it (<g>). They have choices, there are many stores and vendors, they take their pick. As long as you can get what you want, what do youall care what other people use - why do you worry for everyone? .. Blanc

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