December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[Fwd: Re: [RePol] Donations Received]
by Six 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

This was sent through EFGA's Georgia Cracker Remailer, but seems to have gotten 'lost' in the remail. Go figure... To: remailer(a)anon.efga.org Subject: Re: [RePol] Donations Received From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:24:00 -0600 Organization: "It's not FUD until *I* say it's FUD!" References: <3.0.3.32.19971105220233.03538154(a)rboc.net> Reply-To: tm(a)dev.null :: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Robert A. Costner wrote: > > This week Electronic Frontiers Georgia (EFGA) found donations in our > mailbox for the first time. I'd like to thank those of you who have sent > us your support. As you know, EFGA has no endowment or source of income. I was rather surprised when I received a plea for donations from these people via my subscription to a suicide survivors mailing list. Likewise when my 10 year old daughter mentioned receiving one through her 4H Club mailing list. Upon asking others at work, I found that these people have been sending their requests to millions of people, through every conceivable internet forum, and that quite a few of the recipients had been taken in, and sent them donations. In the interests of stopping this obvious scam, I have founded a group dedicated to wiping out this kind of fraud on the internet, starting with the scum at the EFGA. If you are interested in contributing to our effort, send donations to: Electronic Fraud Fighters (EFF) Box 281, Bienfait, Saskatchewan CANADA S0C 0M0 or email me at: TruthMistress <tm(a)dev.null> > If we raise $2,000 we will be getting a new > server. If we raise $900, we will be doing upgrades on the current machine. > The address again is > > Electronic Frontiers Georgia > Suite A-205 > 4780 Ashford Dunwoody Road > Atlanta, GA 30338 > > For membership info, http://www.efga.org/about/membership.html

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FTC Making It's Move / FTC, Canada, Mexico officials launch "health claim surf day"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > [From Nov 5 Natural Healthline. --Declan] > by Michael Evers > The Federal Trade Commission recently joined with public health and > consumer protection and information agencies from the United States, > Canada, and Mexico to "surf" the Internet for potentially false or > deceptive advertising claims concerning treatments or cures for heart > disease, cancer, AIDS, diabetes, arthritis, and multiple sclerosis. TruthMonger Terrestrial Translation: The FTC, fearing loss of its dictatorial powers over the information that citizens are allowed and not allowed to access, wants the citizens to do its legwork for them so that they can step forward to 'save' us all from people who use herbs instead of nuclear radiation to maintain their health. You remember the FTC, don't you? They are those wonderfolks who gave us the 'mainstream media' that used the citizen's airwaves to read us the spoon-fed government propaganda during the Gulf War. In other news: That pesky Sadaam Hussein is acting up again, as he always does during US elections. Funny how the Democrats always come out of wars with Sadaam looking bad, and CIA-backed Republicans always come out looking good. Note to Clinton: You're a Democrat. If you try to show-off in the Gulf, all of your helicopters are going to crash. TruthMonger

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Re: [SURVEY try again] pgp5.x / pgp2.x users
by ulf＠fitug.de 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

20 % of the users who have posted digitally signed messages that are available in my news spool (international and local newsgroups and mailing lists) use PGP 5. The sample contains 545 unique e-mail addresses. YMMV. S/MIME Cryptographic Signature 10 Version: 2.3a 1 Version: 2.6.1 1 Version: 2.6.2 68 Version: 2.6.2, by FileCrypt 1.0 2 Version: 2.6.2i 5 Version: 2.6.3 4 Version: 2.6.3a 8 Version: 2.6.3i 37 Version: 2.6.3ia 278 Version: 2.6.3ig 1 Version: 2.6.3in 9 Version: 2.7.1 2 Version: 4.5 6 Version: Cryptix 2.2.2 2 Version: Cryptix 2.21 3 Version: Cryptix 2.3.0 1 Version: PGP 5.0i 1 Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 12 Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 86 Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 Charset: noconv 1 Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use 7

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Ooops....!
by Dirko 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

That should have been cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com ... SH** sorry ... It's coffee buzz... *shake* ---------------------------------- Dirko van Schalkwyk Dead Engineers Society E-Mail: meddle(a)adept.co.za Date: 11/07/97 Time: 01:28:37 ----------------------- Movie Quotes for Willow (1988) ----------------------- Sorsha: What are you looking at? Madmartigan: Your leg. I'd like to break it. ------------- All of the following stolen from selected poeple mailing to the AfterStep mailing list ----------------------- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.It just happens to be very selective about who it decides to make friends with. ----------------------- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition

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plugin to sell digital files in cyberspace announced!!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

wow, I have been thinking that netscape/microsoft would put something like this in their browser and that this would kickstart the microcurrency market. however, it sounds like someone has preempted them for the moment and built a plugin. this is an extremely significant development imho. I don't know how credible they are (the notice was spam) but it's a step in the right direction, and the creation of a whole new market I predict. Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 06:28:47 EST To: InternetUser(a)The.Net Subject: Turn your web-site into a pay-per-view site free in 10min! Reply-To: powerit(a)venus.t-1net.com I-vendor is offering a freeware version of a software plug-in that allows anyone to sell digital files such as photos, programs, text based information etc. from any web site. You don't have to be a company, you don't have to have credit card facilities, you don't have to do anything fancy with your web site - just convert your files, put them on your site and wait for the monthly checks. The software works with Window 3.x & 95 and current versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer - full instructions for use are provided. - - --- Visit http://members.aol.com/ivendor/index.htm to download the freeware plug-in and information pack. - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [RePol] Donations Received]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Six wrote: > This was sent through EFGA's Georgia Cracker Remailer, but seems to > have gotten 'lost' in the remail. > Go figure... Perhaps they objected to you not using your Government approved 'Prisoner of Citizenship' name.

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new lanl patent?
by Robert Hettinga 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: blacklodge.c2.net: majordom set sender to owner-cryptography(a)c2.org using -f From: proff(a)iq.org Date: 6 Nov 1997 06:35:37 -0000 To: cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: new lanl patent? Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net From: "Jongsma, Ken (NM75)" <ken.jongsma(a)das.honeywell.com> Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:32:24 -0600 Subject: Hiding In Plain Sight from the Oct 20 Aviation Week: "Researchers at Los ALimos National Laboratory have patented a new software technique that can hide secret information in the electronic "noise" associated with the transmission of data and electronic images. Called "data embedding," the method allows classified data to be stored and transferred in open transmissions and can serve as an "electronic watermark" to prevent unauthorized manipulation of digital images and other information, according to Ted Handel, project leader. The software can be used on a desktop personal computer and consumes only 512 kilobytes of memory, less than most word processing programs. It is written in "C" computer language which conforms to virtually any digital storage medium. Overall document length can remain the same." Aside from the obvious errors in the story, do you suppose that someone ought to clue the patent office in that steganography has existed for quite a while now? If anyone would like to research the patent and report back, it would be interesting to see what is so unique that the could get a patent on it. -- ken.jongsma(a)das.honeywell.com 505 828-5876 Voice 505 828-5500 Fax --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol)
by Robert Hettinga 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: hutchinson(a)click.ncri.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:52:30 -0500 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: hutchinson(a)ncri.com (Art Hutchinson) Subject: Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol) Cc: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hutchinson(a)ncri.com (Art Hutchinson) Robert Hettinga wrote: >A whole bunch of people are now talking about these cash-settled recursive >auction processes, and they're a direct, and now obvious, consequence of >bearer (or at least instant) settlement markets for information on geodesic >networks. When you add anonymity to the transaction, you pretty much have >the final straw for "rights" tracking. Watermarks just tell you who the >information was stolen from, for instance. So, one more industrial >information process bites the dust. Whoa! Hang on here. Sure, watermarks will tell you who information was stolen from, but they're just a stalking horse... a weak second cousin to *persistent* content control technologies (such as IBM's Cryptolopes and Intertrust's Digiboxes). These allow rightsholders to manage a wide range of parameters (including price, usage context, and any other variable for which you can imagine having a certificate). Whats fundamentally different about what are generically referred to as secure envelopes, is that they can maintain controls *indefinitely* (persistence), across an un- known, ad hoc, web of distribution over which one otherwise has no control. And yes, this can all work even in a completely disconnected environment (laptop at 35,000 feet). They allow rightsholders, if they so choose, to *continue* being rights- holders in a highly networked, digital world, and in a wide range of new ways, based on entirely new (or old) business models, that take advantage of rich/elaborate conditions for usage (e.g. you can view this picture anonymously, but it will cost you 2X as much, and you can only get it at low resolution, and you can't view it at all unless you can prove that you don't live in the Middle East). No certificate for these conditions? Sorry, no content. They are based the same basic stuff (public key cryptography of course) that *can* fuel wild anarchic visions of anonymous exchange. ;) But they aren't at all deterministic of any particular economic model. Regards, - Art Art Hutchinson hutchinson(a)ncri.com Northeast Consulting Resources, Inc. phone: (617) 654-0635 One Liberty Square fax: (617) 654-0654 Boston, MA 02160 www.ncri.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Working at the intersection of business and IT strategy to help organizations embrace electronic commerce opportunities" For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Jam Six
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Jam Six Six

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FEMA site using cookies
by Attila T. Hun 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

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plugin to sell digital files in cyberspace announced!! (fwd)
by Lindsay Haisley 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

>wow, I have been thinking that netscape/microsoft would put >something like this in their browser and that this would >kickstart the microcurrency market. however, it sounds like >someone has preempted them for the moment and >built a plugin. this is an extremely significant development >imho. I don't know how credible they are (the notice was >spam) but it's a step in the right direction, and the >creation of a whole new market I predict. I looked at their website and it looks rather fishy to me. Several issues and questions are obvious, not the least being the observation that this is an absolutely fabulous way to collect a bunch of credit card numbers. There is no information on the website to say where I-Vendor is located, or any way to judge whether it's even a legit company. The website is on AOL, so it's real ownership is effectivley concealed, and the owners could be over the border into Mexico with a hard drive full of stolen CC numbers and no one would be the wiser until it was too late :-( A legit domain name and website to use it on are pretty cheap, and make obvious business sense for a legit business - likewise for a phone number, which is also absent from the web pages. Both provide business points of contact and both provide trackability. Maybe I-Vendor doesn't want trackability. Hmmmm. So I download an exe file from a nearly anonymous site on AOL and run it to find out more about it? No thanks!!! It looks too much like a juicy worm on a hook to this fish. Lindsay Haisley (______) FMP Computer Services (oo) "The bull fmouse(a)fmp.com /------\/ stops here!" Austin, Texas, USA / | || 512-259-1190 * ||---|| * * * * * * ~~ ~~ http://www.fmp.com

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From Our Friends at the Fed
by Robert Hettinga 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:23:25 -0800 From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) Subject: From Our Friends at the Fed To: rah(a)shipwright.com X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.sneaker.net id XAA28997 Thought this missive from the Federal Reserve (SR Letter 97-28 for those who insist on a formal citation) might be of interest. Not sure if it's e$ or dcsb or cypherpunk-type material or none of the above, so I punt and let you decide. Cheers. John Muller mailto:jmuller@brobeck.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Suggested Cover Letter To the Chief Executive Officer or General Manager of Each State Member Bank, Bank Holding Company, State Chartered, Non-Insured U.S. Branch or Agency of a Foreign Bank, and Edge and Agreement Corporation in Your District Dear ______________________: The Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with Federal Reserve staff and representatives from the other federal banking agencies as well as other federal law enforcement agencies, developed the attached guidance concerning the reporting of violations of the federal criminal statute relating to computer crimes, 18 U.S.C. ß 1030 (Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Computers) in Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs). The guidance is intended to facilitate the timely and accurate reporting of apparent violations of this law to law enforcement and bank supervisory agencies. The guidance describes the provisions of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030 and gives some examples of conduct that may violate the law. It also tells you how to report violations in a SAR. We would appreciate you bringing this matter to the immediate attention of all personnel in your organization responsible for reporting suspicious activity. In the event you have any questions concerning this matter, please contact __________________________. Sincerely, [Reserve Bank Official] Attachment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- GUIDANCE CONCERNING THE REPORTING OF COMPUTER-RELATED CRIMES BY FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS This guidance is provided in order to explain the federal criminal statute relating to computer crimes, 18 U.S.C. ß 1030, and to ensure the timely and accurate reporting of apparent violations of the statute to law enforcement authorities. Background Regulations issued by the Federal Reserve, OCC, FDIC, OTS, and NCUA generally require banks, thrifts, credit unions, the U.S. branches and agencies of foreign banks, and other types of financial institutions to file Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) whenever they detect any known or suspected federal criminal law violation or suspicious activity. The SAR system facilitates the reporting of suspected criminal activity and money laundering in a standard format to a single collection point, from which the information may be rapidly disseminated to appropriate law enforcement agencies. SARs play a critical role in collecting information about criminal activity affecting the financial community. Under the five financial institutions supervisory agencies' current SAR rules, a financial institution is required to report any known or suspected criminal law violation involving an insider, regardless of amount. A financial institution is also required to report any known or suspected federal criminal law violation that involves or aggregates more than $25,000 in the event no suspect can be identified--a threshold that drops to $5,000 if a potential suspect can be identified. The current SAR form includes in Part III, Box 37, a listing of 17 various categories of criminal law violations and suspicious activities that a financial institution can check. The categories include check, credit and wire transfer fraud, defalcation/embezzlement and mysterious disappearances, and also include a general category under "Other" that is to be used in the event the offense or activity does not appear to fit any of the delineated types of crimes. There is no category in Part III, Box 37, specifically reserved for violations of the provisions of the U.S. criminal code relating to computer crimes--18 U.S.C. ß 1030 (Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Computers). Criminal Law Relating to Computers Computers and computer networks are at the heart of operations of a modern financial institution. Criminals--both inside and outside of financial institutions-- recognize the potential vulnerability of computer systems. Consequently, financial institutions must be cognizant of the federal computer crime law, 18 U.S.C. ß 1030. This statute specifically includes as a "protected computer," among other computers shielded by the statute, any computer exclusively for the use of a financial institution, or, if not exclusively for such use, used by or for a financial institution where the conduct constituting the offense affects that use. Financial institutions should pay particular attention to three provisions of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030. Section 1030(a)(2) specifically prohibits intentionally accessing a protected computer to obtain certain kinds of information without authority or in excess of authority. Not only does it generally prohibit improperly obtaining information from any "protected" computer, but it specifically prohibits improperly obtaining information contained in a "financial record" of a financial institution. The provision may also apply to an individual who hacks into a financial institution computer system. "Financial record" is defined as information derived from any record held by a financial institution pertaining to a customer's relationship with the institution. Another provision applicable to financial institutions is the prohibition on using a "protected" computer without authorization or in excess of authorization to commit fraud. The provisions of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030(a)(4) criminalize the knowing use of a protected computer without authorization or in excess or authorization with intent to defraud, and by means of such conduct furthering the intended fraud and obtaining anything of value. Thus, an individual who intentionally uses another person's home banking software and purloins that person's password in order to transfer money fraudulently into his or her personal bank account has committed a crime. The third provision--18 U.S.C. ß 1030(a)(5)--with applications to financial institutions is the prohibition on intentional access without authorization that results in "damage" to a protected computer. Damage is defined to include any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information that causes loss aggregating at least $5,000 in value during any one-year period. An example may involve a disgruntled former employee who maintains a "back door" into the computer system and uses it to introduce a virus that disrupts the system. Another example may involve an intruder who causes a system outage by flooding an institution's computer system with e-mail requests for information. Other provisions of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030 applicable to financial institutions include subsection (a)(6), which outlaws trafficking in passwords knowingly and with intent to defraud. Subsection (a)(7) prohibits transmitting threats to cause damage to a protected computer with intent to extort money or any other thing of value from any legal entity, specifically including financial institutions. This prohibition applies regardless of whether any actual damage is caused, or whether the offender actually had the ability to cause such damage. A violation of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030 can result in a fine or imprisonment for up to ten years. Guidance A financial institution should report on a SAR any activity that appears to be violative of 18 U.S.C. ß 1030. If a reportable offense is detected, a financial institution should check Box 37r, marked "Other", and describe as completely as possible in Part VII, the narrative section of the SAR, the nature of the illegal or suspicious activity. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Save Money...Own your own Cable Descrambler!
by cableus＠ecast.net 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

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Pauline Hanson's One Nation Monthly Newsletter
by Global Web Builders 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Issue 1.4, November 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- PLEASE NOTE: No unsolicited email is sent. If you do not want to be on the mailing list please say "REMOVE" in the subject line and return this message in the body. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Dear supporter in NSW, Pauline Hanson's One Nation continues to grow an extraordinary rate. There are now over 200 branches of the party nationwide - this just twenty eight weeks after the April launch. The interest in what we have to say and the level of our support is best demonstrated by comparing the recent visits of National Senator Bill O'Chee and Pauline Hanson to the traditional National heartland of Gympie in central Queensland. At their respective dinners O'Chee managed to attract just 12 people while Hanson attracted a full house of 400! These are challenging times ahead for the party. With this explosive growth and interest the Manly head office of One Nation has come under enormous pressure with calls from the media, the growing need to manage the new branches and a number of related teething problems. Please be patient if you find delays in One Nation responding to an inquiry. This is due to the workload being faced by the Manly office. -------------------------------------------------------------------- As you will have read Pauline Hanson's One Nation will contest the Queensland state elections after an independent survey revealed that the party had, conservatively, up to 27% support in certain electorates. If you know of someone who would make a good candidate please contact Manly office on (02) 9976 0283 for application forms. Please note closing date for nominations is December 1st. -------------------------------------------------------------------- There have been a number of One Nation press releases during October. These can be viewed at: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pauline Hanson's on-line Working Group: There has been a tremendous response to the establishment of Pauline Hanson's on-line Working Group and we thank those who have become involved for their support. If you would like to participate please email the following information for consideration. Name, Contact details (address, phone, fax), membership number (this is a pre-requisite) and branch (default is Manly). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Like any growing political organisation Pauline Hanson's One Nation needs your financial support. Please help NOW if you are able... Their is an on-line form that can be printed out and posted together with your donation at: http://www.gwb.com.au/pledge.html Let's get that donation-meter reading moving! Pauline Hanson

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No Subject
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Where can I get my hands on an anon-remailer that runs under Win95? Does such a remailer even exist? If not, why not?

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by nobody＠neva.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam Shostack wrote: >Many insurance companies with Mutual in their name (Liberty Mutual is >large in the Northeastern US) get that from being founded as mutual >insurance companies, where you pay to be part of the mutual insurance >group, and when you get sick, injured, etc, the group pays money >towords your treatment. I think it broke down with increases in >mobility. They were implicitly based on reputation capital, and were >not highly fraud resistant. > >Adam's suggestion of a charity which only pays for the treatment of >those who donate thus recreates an old system. Mutual insurance companies are owned by the people who purchase their policies. The policy holders actually elect the management. As there are no policy holders who own a significant percentage of the policies, the management of the companies do not have much feedback. Surprisingly, they seem to function well. However, these companies are not a thing of the past. As of ten years ago, the mutual life insurance companies managed about half the assets in the life insurance market. Many of them are quite old. The Presbyterian Minister's Fund is the oldest continuous life insurance company in the world. It was founded in 1759. Mutuals are said to be formed when investors can't be found to provide capital for the company. A number of mutuals were formed in the seventies to handle medical liability insurance which commercial companies did not want to handle. (It seems likely that somebody, somewhere, was behaving irrationally. ;-) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGLH4JaWtjSmRH/5AQGUDgf/VB1nTOZJqMVN1Rv9uqAydKxcIB3Mgwgj jVaTVLVcDKl6hdhih9go88Wo5H3M4KdXUeUbdef+yqbY8yDxebQim+0Nn78QUOdX 8FSZ+S+CnNbqttGwDkl3lktRubygycKrG9whBIIC0DhnPECXPAYsmG/OXdfRzbNG iPGDfHDN7CtEsohrsC/lTI+3r8FqQ4PJ2n8JTB7BoXEhKmGlKd80YhFuA/98SkDk GcS7eUwlN+E2PsbBUWS9h/gYo2iDGMo5oQgvc/kdLHzPRVw/E8i/PKW0bhYcMJ6X RCrTbBRavphfBWpeMqOsqMPCP7wPmGYuLoTlLYfg3XtnTKvRJDDq7g== =WNjT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by Mix 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam Back wrote: >> Before the test, though, insurance might be useful--I could >> essentially place a bet with someone that I had the disease--I pay >> $1, and get a million dollars back if my test comes back >> positive--just enough to pay for my treatment. > >The insurance company would have no financial incentive to take on >such risks -- I reckon they'd sooner let the wanna-be customer die. >Nasty, but it's reality. They could charge an addtional $1 premium. Insurance, if properly administered, is a bad bet for the customer if we only pay attention to financial considerations. However, the customer can lose more than money, he or she can lose her life, which is worth an up front premium to the insurance company. The numbers we have been working with here are interesting, though. Usually, the cost of the tests isn't justified by the information they give us. Presumably if the tests were economical, they would be required. Insurance companies do require checkups sometimes which is really just a set of tests. >And being a hard line anarcho capitalist, I draw the conclusion that >if you can't afford to keep yourself alive, that is your problem. >(Heartless ain't it:-) In practice you might not be so heartless. Even Monty Cantsin has been known to help those who have fallen upon hard times. The real philosophical question is whether other people should be forced to support our charities. (The real world question is whether other people should be forced to support alleged charities.) Those who advocate forced "charity" are making a curious assertion. They themselves do not wish to dispense the charity they so highly value, but they wish others to do so, at gunpoint if necessary. I do not see any way in which such behavior may be defended as civilized or decent. >A charity could also refuse to help people who hadn't donated, if >it chose. > >I bet it would work too, and a lot more efficiently than the >government regulated setup now. Many decades ago there used to be organizations called "mutual aid societies". They were sort of like mutual insurance companies, except they may have been more flexible in the benefits they guaranteed. They took care of whole sets of misfortunes for their members. For instance, if your house burned down or you were laid off, or whatever, the other members of the society would help you get on your feet again. Note: the other members had a strong incentive to get you on your feet. (This cannot be said of welfare bureaucrats whose market share dwindles the more they succeed.) They were typically organized into local chapters which would then belong to larger organizations which would, to some extent, insure that the local chapter remained financially solvent. The societies were more than insurance companies - they were also social clubs. This aspect was used to manage the moral hazard problem. These societies were tremendously successful. A conservative estimate of membership in the United States showed ten times as many people belonged to these societies as belong to labor unions at the peak of the labor movement. Yet, they have been almost entirely ignored by academia, probably because they do not fit nicely in a patronizing ideological framework. Tom Palmer of the Cato Institute has studied the subject. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGLDQpaWtjSmRH/5AQFiNAf9Eb8qyHkL2881F0xpDaOUeNUCqX4UsrZd zJtihskZi5Vg+FOiFAqSWFHsNHmDlhnw7W1fvFL2vs8+Pe5h6MtAUY1vWGaweG7Y OjtwnnKt8q0jGeq/thV+cieYy0wdMcRLe9LQc79F2mmKniOIcZxwt+OHR9RtTqxn d6aJJF3rsapZjb9OfS/1B/kFEcy80VuhnExF56za9YfDiKuW9b0Re3+8iwNeZrK3 a4ToHmL6AUImwmO+03BJfavCr/g+NqknL/gJOMcPAZTf4+PHhGRZctBKp4N/qQcg hZmrFWKYBQXRxLx4HJuGIW46N5WNKpCcOilZ7mSHv5RUv/+fzRgkww== =vH+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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18 Dec '03

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Re: FEMA site using cookies
by Crisavec 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun typethed the following... >> The USMC 29 Palms Combat Arms Survey: #46. "The U.S. >>government declares a ban on the possession, sale, >>transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms >>...consider the following statement: >> >>> I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or >>> resist confiscation of firearms banned by the >>>U.S. government..." > > they were looking for a yes/no answer --no maybes. if anybody thinks >this is a joke --it was not; it was given to most units at 29 Palms, >Pendleton, LeJuene, and Paris Island. the percentage responses were >interesting: men with less than 5 years service were 90% "yes" --grizzled >old NCOMs with 15 or more years were less than 15% "yes." shows what the >federal government educational system is capable of conditioning with a >little help from movies and television. subliminally, was has been >glorified by the merchants of death: arms manufacturers and power hungry >politicians. -- This doesn't surprise me at all Attila.They don't teach the constitution in High School anymore. That accounts for the lower ranks. The NCOM's answers are to be expected, They STRESS Posse Commitais<sp?> and the constitution for ALL noncom's. It's part of the testing for promotion to E-5 and up. Most of the noncom's have been in long enough to be thorouly disillusioned by the military in general. The only thing keeping a lot of them in is enertia... --Dave Any neural system sufficiently complex to generate the axioms of arithmetic is too complex to be understood by itself. Kaekel's Conjecture

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Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol)
by R. Jason Cronk 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

>From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 19:12:16 -0600 >To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> >Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net, cryptography(a)c2.net >Subject: Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street >musician protocol) > <SNIP> > >Well how exactly does one prevent data from being stolen once it has been >unlocked? I pay my 2X to view the picture anonymously and now I copy it >save it and distribute it worldwide. I fail to see how any >encryption/watermark scheme can prevent me from doing so. Most of my discussion on this subject took place in DCSB mailing list, which I didn't cc to cypherpunks or cryptography(a)c2.net. Anyway, the gist the most ERMs (Electronic Right Management) is that the "unlocking" has to be integral with the playing. In other words, you don't pay for and then get an "unlocked" version on your computer, but rather the player and decryption mechanism are integrated to the point that they can be unintegrated. Still this doesn't prevent one from sticking a microphone up next to the speaker to pointing a camcorder at the video screen, but it, in theory, prevents one from making an exact digital duplicate. This is not to say that I agree that ERM will work. I am of the impression that market forces will negate the benefit of said system. Its easy when there are just a few media producers, but with hundreds of thousands vying for attention, those that seek to control their content through ERM are at a disadvantage in the marketspace. Jason Cronk

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Re: french cypherpunks
by ulf＠fitug.de 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

> > Btw: did anybody scan their photo's of the HIP '97 (in this case There are some images and videos by Joichi Ito. Follow the link at http://www.hip97.nl > Je reois, disons, 20 messages CP par jour. Robert limine les flame wars et je lui en > suis reconnaissant. Mme Tim May n'est apparemment plus sur CP ces temps-cis. Mais si. Try http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpnks/current/ to see what you are missing. (BTW, last I checked, I couldn't find any e$pam subscription info at the e$ web site.)

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18 Dec '03

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18 Dec '03

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Totally Unbreakable VME
by John Young 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

News report Nov 7, 97: AT&T, Hewlett Packard, Intel Corporation, Dell Computers, and many other leading computer corporations have been added to the challenge list by Meganet Corporation. The challenge started last week with Bill Gates, now some of his peers have an opportunity to validate or discredit the bold claim that Meganet's VME (Virtual Matrix Encryption) is totally unbreakable. Unbreakable encryption is the only answer to security in our electronic world. This is graphically illustrated by the recent report from the National Security Agency reporting the open market availability of a $10 chip that can test up to 200 million keys per second. The 56-bit key, government and banking standard, can be compromised in twelve (12) seconds with brute force using ASIC (Application-specific Integrated Circuits) chips. Meganet has the answer with its new VME (Virtual Matrix Encryption). The impenetrable VME also has extreme speed, much faster than any existing program available today. Major computer companies are already starting discussions to acquire the rights to market this incredible new data encryption system. More information about this exciting new technology can be found at: www.meganet.com ---------- Hmm, wonder if it has impenetrable GAK and CAK options.

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[Fwd: *LCS - DLS Lecture - Robert Morris - NSA*]
by Robert Hettinga 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:02:04 -0500 From: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: [Fwd: *LCS - DLS Lecture - Robert Morris - NSA*] Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> Return-Path: <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (life.ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by deer-park.etcons.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25929 for <lethin(a)etcons.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/AI1.15/ai.master.life:1.18) with SMTP id JAA12054; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hq.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa09696; 7 Nov 97 9:48 EST Received: from [18.49.0.239] (bronte-mac.lcs.mit.edu) by hq.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/NSCS-1.0S) id AA26971; Fri, 7 Nov 97 09:47:27 EST Message-Id: <v03020903b088c96cdfa8(a)[18.49.0.239]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:46:20 -0400 To: seminar(a)ai.mit.edu, seminars(a)lcs.mit.edu, help-teach(a)lcs.mit.edu, assistants(a)ai.mit.edu, mas-students(a)media.mit.edu, support(a)media.mit.edu, eecsfaculty(a)eecs.mit.edu, dchamber(a)warren.med.harvard.edu, wmurphy(a)mediaone.net, Kenneth_Burrell/CAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, vijak(a)eecs.harvard.edu, CMCampos(a)aol.com, Stephanie_Leung(a)cmp4.ccmail.compuserve.com From: Barbara Barry <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: *LCS - DLS Lecture - Robert Morris - NSA* (Please excuse multiple posts) *SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT ****************************** MIT Lab for Computer Science Distinguished Lecturer Series Thursday, November 20, 1997 Lecture, 3:30pm Location 34-101 Refreshments, 3:15pm 50 Vassar Street, Cambridge Robert Morris, National Security Agency, Retired Protection of Valuable Information Over the past few decades, there has been a considerable shift in the area of protection and exploitation of valuable information. In the past, the relevant skills were exercised by governments to protect or exploit military and diplomatic information. Nowadays, much of the interest in information protection is by individuals wishing to protect their privacy and by organizations wishing to protect their financial interests. Here are the that come up that are worth some thought: - does the breakup of the Soviet Union significantly reduce the exploitation of U.S. Government information? - has the world wide spread of ATMs (Automatic Teller Machines) led to a great deal of electronic theft - and, if so how are they protected? - is cryptography more important than careful handling of information and is cryptanalysis more important than burglary, bribery, and blackmail? Host: Michael Dertouzos *************************************************** for the DLS season schedule check out http://www.lcs.mit.edu/web_project/dls97.html *************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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