December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >> If Tim and others fail to exercise their right to say what they >> believe, then it is likely those rights will be suspended in due >> time. > >Like I said before, it makes sense, but not because Foucault said >it. Broken clocks, and all that. Besides, Monty, I hate appeals to >authority almost as much as I hate ad honminae. Are you asking me to use Foucault's line without giving him credit? That doesn't seem right to me. Foucault's essay was insightful and significantly influenced my point of view. Not only does he deserve the credit, but mentioning his name may direct other interested readers toward his work. BTW, how much of Foucault have you actually read? I am generally unfamiliar with his work, but I have a sinking feeling the same can be said for certain of his critics. It is easy to give French intellectuals a cursory reading and conclude that there is nothing there. However, often there is quite a lot of something there, but it comes from people with a different intellectual tradition than our own so it is harder to understand. An apparently absurd sentence is often a reference to a body of work with which we are not familiar. >> It seems to me that Tim said "The judge in the Paladin case >> committed a capital crime" and not "The judge in the Paladin case >> committed a capital crime and should be gunned down in the streets >> like a dog." > >Frankly, I believe that the two sentences above are exactly the same >thing,... No, in the first case the possibility of a fair trial with an impartial jury exists. They are different statements. >...but that it was pretty apparently a wish (if not a threat, if you >want to pull semantic hairs until one bleeds) that the judge be >assassinated,... Tim has repeatedly made it clear to the world that this was not his meaning. What is your purpose in declaring otherwise? >...because a judge can't be killed, legally, for *any* decision he >makes. I expect that gunning the judge down in the street like a dog >would fit Tim's bill quite nicely. In every other instance in which Tim has discussed capital punishment, it has been in the context of a trial. If OJ had committed a brutal murder in a state without the death penalty, say Massachusetts, and Tim said "OJ is guilty of a capital crime", would you conclude that he was calling for his murder? Clearly that would not be reasonable. So why do you feel the meaning changes when "OJ" is substituted for "The judge"? Perhaps you harbor latent urges to murder our public officials and wish to draw attention from yourself by pointing the finger at Tim. You seem to be talking about it more than anybody else. >And, Monty, here's another fact: the world isn't going to end on >Thanksgiving Day, much less at the beginning of the millennium. Armed >storm troopers are probably *not* going to decend on the denizens of >this list and haul them off to newly built gulags in the Rockies >somewhere, or whatever the current fantasy of the moment is. When you drive do you always wear your seat belt, or just when you are going to have an accident? Incidentally, it is well documented that in the 1980s, the USG had detailed plans for mass arrests of dissident citizens. Ten army camps had been selected for this purpose. The plan was to be executed in the event the country invaded Nicaragua. The USG has incarcerated masses of U.S. citizens without trial at least twice during the 20th century. To claim it cannot happen again seems a little naive. >> The book I am reading is called "The Aurora: A Democratic-Republican >> Returns" by Richard N. Rosenfeld. > >Okay. Here's where I cop to bad craziness. It's now time for me to >fess up and get my butt hammered like a gentleman. :-). You certainly take your medicine like a man. Good. >> 1. Publius was John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison. >> Jay and Hamilton were leaders of the party attempting to subvert >> the Constitution. > >Mostly Madison, I believe, and, oddly enough, a protoge of Jefferson >at one point. Hamilton wrote 51 of the essays, Madison 26, Jay 5, and 3 were written jointly by Madison and Hamilton. If you are saying he attempted to subvert the Constitution, this letter will be of interest. (May 20, 1798 Madison to Jefferson): >The Alien bill proposed in the Senate is a monster that must forever >disgrace its parents. I should not have supposed it possible that >such a one could have been engendered in either House & still >persuade myself that it cannot be fathered by both... These addresses >to the feelings of the people from their enemies may have more effect >in opening their eyes than all the arguments addressed to their >understandings by their friends. The President also seems to be >co-operating for the same purpose. Every answer he gives to his >addressers unmasks more and more his principles & views. His >language to the young men at Ph[iladelphia] is the most abominable & >degrading that could fall from the lips of the first magistrate of an >independent people... It throws some light on his meaning when he >remarked to me "that there was not a single principle the same in the >American & French Revolutions;"... the abolition of Royalty was, it >seems, not one of his Revolutionary principles... >> 6. Jefferson did not write the Bill of Rights. He was in France at >> the time and was pleased to hear these amendments had been added to >> the Constitution. > >I don't believe that's right. I believe, if you check it out, that >Jefferson sent the Bill of Rights to the Constitutional Convention >from France, and that Madison, ironically enough, had a hand in >getting it passed. Perhaps it is your turn to crack open a book and find the reference. I would be quite interested (and surprised) if you can substantiate your claim. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGwLVZaWtjSmRH/5AQEvNAf9HjMM4D8eB2Uv+h+IqxvMCgY1fFMpt1Cx IuvO2Q8OUrg1HaQxJ52c4HDPms56rbBUw1slwTqL0hIVcdAENy4v/rU5NXodvsLJ 9CS9eWn1MJb1vxZLj+B3z9p/yhVYYeedbTFKt1chy2Y7OOuDGTcSUS8BSH7CK8Fp s7nVPQSuTZ60O3Md58qGh+aRT3wHBNxNcwNdtuiCA1knZehhRrQe2qX6PMzt9app MmNJ01PNcKp1X1cLhmtu/jfbeFlUp0V44YAo2D+RVgvrzP8B4C+avAWoO96d4KhY krE6bRQZ443D2Ktkc6D7QVxAu0tmHnjADftRAHf6W3A8tER8KcAgJQ== =6DIt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are >>implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have >>objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected >>when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been >>dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that >>residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. >...SNIP... >I have never said "residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed." As I >recall my first comment along these lines, it was, paraphrasing (as I don't >feel like spending 15 minutes sifting through my archived mail), along the >lines of: "I fully expect to wake up some morning and hear that some >terrorist nuke has destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." Try this: : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 : : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any meaningful sense (not even the "will : no one rid me of this corrupt city?" sense, given that I have no : Beckett-like powers). You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of >>privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and >>murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, actually. >And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was the same in >1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called Waco that happened >around that time? Go back and read the traffic. You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. >Many of us don't "stand" for freedom of speech if it really means >suppression of racist, homophobic, whatever speech, as it seems to me in >many countries today. The Orwellian "freedom of speech does not mean >freedom to say wrong or offensive things" is a meme that seems to be >spreading. Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you spend your time wallowing in sewage.

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Ataka Dorn
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous screamed: > Tim May writes: <stuff> > You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > > Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? > How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city > proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said > that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. Are you preparing this testimony for the trial, or for the press? I'd be more than happy to kick in some leftover plutonium for you to plant in Tim's home, if you plan on setting him up after I've finished my...uuhhh...home project. > It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned > discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such > an act of cold-blooded terrorism. Most of the "poison" seems to be coming from Tim's detractors, chief of whom is yourself, at present. Why don't you try limiting yourself to 10,000 words of ranting and finger-pointing for every "Nuke DC" statment Tim makes? > You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of > sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently > everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. Please give the rest of us credit for being self-willed individuals who are perfectly capable of promoting our own brand of sickening violence, rather than just going along with the suggestions that Tim makes in our late-night secret meetings where we discuss the our plans for the overthrow of anarchy in the world. > You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong > innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents > in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no > different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. > You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless > and violent as the worst of them. As Robert Hettinga stated in a previous post, I think that your constant rants about innocent childen betray some kind of sick fixation on them. Please try to keep your hands away from your private body parts when thinking about them. That might help. > This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem > which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the > children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on > Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the > children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. Boy, now I'm having problems keeping my hands away from _my_ private parts. Back in a minute... ... > Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew > garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters > have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you > spend your time wallowing in sewage. You seem to be the one both pumping most of the sewage and doing most of the wallowing in it. Of course, you're just groping around in it looking for 'bad' people, aren't you? It's not like you get cheap, vicarious thrills dwelling on these kinds of topics. When you testify in court, or give your interviews to the press, remember to keep your hands tucked in your armpits. Folding them together on your lap might prove to be too much of a temptation. TruthMangler BTW, thanks for those pictures of Princess Di's death scene that you sent me. Great closeups!

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Re: degree of anonymity
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ulf Möller wrote: > Have a look at: > > David Chaum: Untraceable Electronic Mail, Return Addresses, and Digital > Pseudonyms, Communications of the ACM 24 (1981) 2, pp 84--88, > http://world.std.com/~franl/crypto/chaum-acm-1981.html Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? > Wei Dai: Traffic analyzing Chaum's digital mix, 1995, > http://www.eskimo.com/~weidai/traffic.txt It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list > Lance Cottrell: Mixmaster and remailer attacks, 1995, > http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/remailer-essay.html This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. > Thomas Horton: Stylometry. In: R. Asher (ed.): The Encyclopedia of > Language and Linguistics, Pergamon Press, 1994, pp 4383--4385. You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > Joseph Rudman, David I Holmes, Fiona J. Tweedie, R. Harald Baayen: The > State of Authorship Attribution Studies, 1997, > http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/achallc97/papers/s004.html Nothing more than a forged spoof by TruthMangler. > Ivan Krsul, Eugene Spafford: Authorship Analysis: Identifying The > Author of a Program, 1997, > ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/COAST/papers/krsul-authorship_analysis_NISSC.… You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. Now maybe everyone will see what I mean when I say that those on this list now only stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia. Anne Ahole

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How anonymous?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It seems that if Dick has a certain vocabulary, > uses a certain sentence structure, etc., and > regularly posts using a nym, that this form and > content could be traced to Dick, so the likelihood > of the post coming from him and not Jane would > be that much increased. This is true. Probably most people know who I am.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: > At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> writes: > As for white supremacy, look elsewhere, I think you`ll > find Tim`s post an example of what the developed world knows as humour, > not a serious attack on any ethnic group. Tim May's post seems funny to you? Not a racist comment? His imitation of a Japanese accent is purely offensive. Paul, would you feel comfortable offering this kind of "humor" in a gathering which included Japanese visitors, perhaps potential customers? That comment about kicking Japan's butt would really be humorous, wouldn't it? It is astonishing that people like you and William Geiger, who apparently make their living as consultants, feel so comfortable publicly approving racist comments directed against the Japanese. Does William expect ever to work with a Japanese customer, after suggesting that Truman should have dropped additional atomic bombs on Japan? Even if you share Tim May's lack of moral constraint, you presumably do not also share his wealth. Pragmatic considerations alone should make you reluctant to be an apologist for racist comments, or in William's case to compound the error with shockingly offensive remarks of his own.

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Re: This judge needs killing
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bradley writes: >Judge David Selwood today sentenced 3 writers for the magazine "Green >Anarchist" to 3 years imprisonment each for their articles in the >magazine which he concluded incited others to break the law. >The magazine contained diaries for the previous months animal rights >activism events and contained articles generally favourable to the cause >of animal liberation. > >Another judge who has richly earned the death penalty. Another example of the violent rhetoric which goes without comment on this list. The death penalty is completely inappropriate for this kind of crime. It should be reserved for the most serious of criminal actions, the most egregious murders, terrorism, genocide. An appropriate punishment for a judge who violates his oath of office and sentences someone wrongly to prison would be a prison sentence for the judge himself, some multiple of the unjust sentence. Calling for the death penalty for crimes which do not themselves involve killing only cheapens life. Before long you too will support shooting graffiti vandals and nuking London.

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Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:43 PM -0700 11/13/97, Neva Remailer wrote: >Robert Hettinga wrote: >>> If Tim and others fail to exercise their right to say what they >>> believe, then it is likely those rights will be suspended in due >>> time. >> >>Like I said before, it makes sense, but not because Foucault said >>it. Broken clocks, and all that. Besides, Monty, I hate appeals to >>authority almost as much as I hate ad honminae. I just saw this, courtesy of Monty's reply. This is really rich. Hettinga hates "ad hominae." This from the guy who started this latest flame war with such choice phrases as: "Tim's Way Cool Latter-Day Farnham's-Freehold in the Santa Clara mountains.... a bunch of "freedom fighters" like the one you fancy yourself to be these days... instead of shoving your favorite Mac-10 up the nose of every statist treehugger you bump into out there in lotusland.... you won't have to clean the snot off the end of your gunbarrel so often..." Hettinga, heal thyself. A comment or two on the rest of what Monty is saying: >Are you asking me to use Foucault's line without giving him credit? >That doesn't seem right to me. > >Foucault's essay was insightful and significantly influenced my point >of view. Not only does he deserve the credit, but mentioning his name >may direct other interested readers toward his work. > >BTW, how much of Foucault have you actually read? I am generally >unfamiliar with his work, but I have a sinking feeling the same can be >said for certain of his critics. > >It is easy to give French intellectuals a cursory reading and conclude >that there is nothing there. However, often there is quite a lot of >something there, but it comes from people with a different >intellectual tradition than our own so it is harder to understand. An >apparently absurd sentence is often a reference to a body of work with >which we are not familiar. By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. (These same kind of folks use to automatically label anything Nietzsche said as tainted because of the Nazi's later affinity for some of his works, but the "rehabilitation" of Nietzsche has been largely successful, and N. is of course now a hero of the Left. Whatever. Nietzsche was of course neither a leftist nor a rightist...he was just who he was.) Hettinga has admitted basic ignorance of Foucault, just as he backpedalled furiously on the "Aurora" claims he made. (about Hettinga's repeated, and loud, claims in recent days that I have called for the death of a federal judge) >Tim has repeatedly made it clear to the world that this was not his >meaning. What is your purpose in declaring otherwise? > Hettinga shows his true colors by repeating these lies over and over again. I would not be at all surprised if he has forwarded carefully excerpted fragments to his friendly FBI offices, hoping they'll make a move to investigate me. >In every other instance in which Tim has discussed capital punishment, >it has been in the context of a trial. > >If OJ had committed a brutal murder in a state without the death >penalty, say Massachusetts, and Tim said "OJ is guilty of a capital >crime", would you conclude that he was calling for his murder? > I have, over the years, expressed my constitutional opinion about many people whom I think have committed capital crimes. OJ, of course. And Lon Horiuchi, the shooter at Ruby Ridge. And, if you check the archives, Tim McVeigh. Fact is, many people have committed capital crimes. And I don't particularly feel like paying my share of the $50-100K a year to keep them well fed and housed at Club Fed, so I'd just as soon spend a quarter on a rifle round and be done with them. I don't have a clue who "Monty Cantsin" is, but his clear thinking makes it kind of a shame he will remain a nym forever, unless he declares himself. (No one, not even Vinge or Card, ever said nyms would carry the same reputation capital True Names do. Maybe someday. But not in the foreseeable future.) >Clearly that would not be reasonable. So why do you feel the meaning >changes when "OJ" is substituted for "The judge"? Perhaps you harbor >latent urges to murder our public officials and wish to draw attention >from yourself by pointing the finger at Tim. You seem to be talking >about it more than anybody else. > Indeed. Hettinga keeps quoting this "Tim plans to kill a federal judge" mantra so much that I'd better rename the thread to this just to keep Hettinga happy. There, it's done. >Incidentally, it is well documented that in the 1980s, the USG had >detailed plans for mass arrests of dissident citizens. Ten army camps >had been selected for this purpose. The plan was to be executed in >the event the country invaded Nicaragua. The USG has incarcerated >masses of U.S. citizens without trial at least twice during the 20th >century. > Yep. And to show that I am not the jingoist Ito presumes I am, arresting and imprisoning those of Japanese descent without due process was, of course, a capital crime. Had I been a Japanese-American, deprived of my liberty for several years, with no evidence that I had committed a crime, and with my property forfeited to the government (often for failure to pay taxes--duh!!!!), I'd have advocated the death penalty for those who falsely imprisoned me and stole my land. But most Jap immigrants were wimps. .... >Perhaps it is your turn to crack open a book and find the reference. >I would be quite interested (and surprised) if you can substantiate >your claim. Hettinga doesn't bother with research. He just shoots from the hip. He concentrates on _style_ over substance. Must be his liberal arts training. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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How anonymous? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:36:59 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: How anonymous? > > It seems that if Dick has a certain vocabulary, > > uses a certain sentence structure, etc., and > > regularly posts using a nym, that this form and > > content could be traced to Dick, so the likelihood > > of the post coming from him and not Jane would > > be that much increased. > > This is true. Probably most people know who I am. Most people don't care who you are. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Key Signing
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>BTW, I was farting around and discovered that I could change the >password on a revoked secret key. This means that someone can crack >the password on your revoked secret key if they have access to it. >This would make your new key vulnerable if you used the same password. > >I suppose this qualifies as PGP trivia, but if it saves the life of >just one fascist dicator... > >!Knott (Who's dare?) When I read this a quote from Independance Day came to mind. The aliens just blew up New York and a cable exec is sitting in his car. As the firestorm comes towards him and he's facing both immiment death by being crushed by cars displaced by the explosion and becoming a Whopper(tm) from the firestorm he looks out and says simply: "Ohhhhhhhh craaaaaaap."

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Woodwose.Nym
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Jim Bell's Mug Shot
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Bell's mug shot from US News (and mine): http://jya.com/jbjy.jpg The terrifying story itself: http://jya.com/next-wave.htm

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Joichi Ito, <jito(a)eccosys.com>, writes: > And not all Japanese are racist pigs. And before you flank me, > I take back my previous remark where I insinuated that Americans > were racist. Not all Americans are racists. Just the stupid ones are. This is not true. Tim May is not stupid. He is insensitive and bigoted, violent and dangerous. He is certainly a racist, and believes in the superiority of the white race. But he is not stupid.

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What cypherpunks used to be
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Cypherpunks hope that all people desiring privacy will learn how best to defend it. Cypherpunks are therefore devoted to cryptography. Cypherpunks wish to learn about it, to teach it, to implement it, and to make more of it. Cypherpunks know that cryptographic protocols make social structures. Cypherpunks know how to attack a system and how to defend it. Cypherpunks know just how hard it is to make good cryptosystems. Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. They love to play with anonymous and pseudonymous mail forwarding and delivery. They love to play with DC-nets. They love to play with secure communications of all kinds. Cypherpunks write code. They know that someone has to write code to defend privacy, and since it's their privacy, they're going to write it. Cypherpunks publish their code so that their fellow cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Cypherpunks realize that security is not built in a day and are patient with incremental progress. Cypherpunks don't care if you don't like the software they write. Cypherpunks know that software can't be destroyed. Cypherpunks know that a widely dispersed system can't be shut down. This is why cypherpunks itself is a distributed mailing list. Cypherpunks will make the networks safe for privacy.

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Announcing a disposable remailer
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Announcing the Woodwose Remailer! Instructions for Use: Point a web browser to: http://mailexcite.com/ Use the name woodwose and password jaguar7. The buttons for operating the mailer page are clearly marked--I won't bore anyone with trivia. Since the username and password for this account have now been publicly posted, anyone can use this account to send/receive email. Obviously anyone who can log in can read replies to your messages, and delete them too. PGP encrypted replies are highly recommended, and don't count on getting replies too much. The name under which this account was created is not my real name. This is my nym-persistence key: - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRgm1kAAAEIAKuDuhI2L3bR4InCJxzaiPLtLHU+tFaD8NeVWAh+XiYme5Cp aH5oKDUVzPFoSTidYC11xB5VIXRX6yCnjk5MqX3VlKJ+hVv/4vY20ZlVBaDc8IZ5 GvrEc8+iify3OdOkh3p4FuUbT2rgV/QO8n1UPOfwpzPAF/cqznqgUHuupB6+/k1n 7y6vCMQp1GmOZP9LO6MqZOKmtzKbrBNwio+Yp+vGFv0/HDW1ZD1bIIQL+ZhEXVR7 0Px5u8yeGUer6vdmz8S44s76JPnYPGU5z7vprndc5QHMIjQY9ZUWxlvsR43s1RuZ 0r+1f35f4LhxCOyf2FLV6+hI9Rjd9Uu3rrYNJeEABRG0HFdvb2R3b3NlIDxXb29k d29zZUBkZXYubnVsbD6JARUDBRA0YJtZ9Uu3rrYNJeEBAcLbB/90co6BJRGtIrNZ 2BqiA8+VrsGQMzUfCl4cas4i+G0aKigkemW/TlbSUEF7YIk7bh/ZQ49eAGucrfM5 NICAqSSzNQx+3h2pzYn/uN5+55QOLho4PwwJw+qr31o+weuIgyoMuECNb2IZUtGn fwfC3MZtZrqwfSzoXpJRZNQCrj+lZKUc14VEJ9kcw1Vt93+E6dTPd+GgyAlcbZ9v 6thY86iTmccCDMv5tPvrAQ/buPHZif1mFs3Ii2pBZ06gpypj2vVTJ63wp5tfASZL RwfXJT3CmjiCQFpHQIGNDwZmc4YaFaFUGobI47nEJXksdTrE8o1f9ISwrDc2RZIX +VP1+pyo =7OWl - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- This one is included for fun & entertainment: - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRuCjkAAAEIAL/9Rybwp3um7n1fuyasj35/cy9mO4eZEAzamx3wIQkwYoEX jb2soJ5khlksI9lugtYBvSltDO6OmyiP2YRBI9vEh/GSAefvDIka4wtif9YkW9Rx 4lO4tFcWVdoRWkbDVxipp0t9tniWrnpJTNDORBjOmsNQBftqcId8/3E61L6A0iT1 dL/U186h/iBpnmpM1/iPfu1Jj+oD0DIIcNOIUo4QAZ2z3h8LZQnQIkPelboupe6h dNhYHomsN9CUwP50eV2brX3xm9s6vaFWSYzUtB5HksBIxd4zuo210JFgmUn2afjS HbNGzn7XV8NpuHz7ixWYHH4poD1bTBkFV1HV2dcABRG0J0N5cGhlcnB1bmtzIExp c3QgPEN5cGhlcnB1bmtzQGRldi5udWxsPokBFQMFEDRuCjpMGQVXUdXZ1wEBeYsI AJ/VLm2vHLpMhVqRuwaRgI9KDAxPOinLxbXKCGdAXEZeNrUCgcHE7DqoZv/B9R+/ XAiNXyCMZb0fw0XGlsV8OTRaYr7fQj6zZO5TPBksmgwxPoF8oKqUjO4kE7CCIpA2 Gsy4ZDCgKhwxxDVjKlwrRHCYCPYY5Tm6mbia9Ix3HVBOPxUCG8b9c3zTGyqFpgII +a8jn4QOidX5llZDejLMe3E/67Mqv6/n2P2cjDmDhN2V00cpvMHwV8WHh/MebvYp MY1xRTH8Nj5F1o5kWC5dLeGCM0Zgg4N6MluZE6ifOsd2/3PwDwlCMsNuFkzJhnsv bS4G8rUv9I0pQlThE78A78Y= =OcKK - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG4RTfVLt662DSXhAQFpaggApc9R6CnTYzTA8BJd+kq94kfQeoK/sNU+ J+CI2t+PXLY+IcjK/qjH4J6h60PNVvHQXtK8mwjj4CgjvnGSsqj8snsSh4AGujyd N/ZXcU0g+KpZhI5XWqNqj9B4I7uosgEd63CrnyEUAFB4Rd4w/+xPa4Hsq06Y7yGO IBwqGQXtXHaolvDFQb4tDLuSiG4YzmjvnAVwWTVMOmv2ZzD/4+vNBvylq4cdbJ8j P1f1GmDcZBXXKijXyIFbdWhbGL5Q47Zmpbflhgt+WjKUhg1d23NbRlelzi/R2ykz VFUGztzyBkRN+QT7Ei2GRD31bzprwYXy7QcmjuE6CjBsE+lQ2aZwPQ== =6lXj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Fwd: RNC/Lister's Calls Marines "Dangerous", "Extremists"
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: <Somebody> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:20:08 -0500 (EST) To: rah(a)shipwright.com, <A bunch of other people...> Subject: Fwd: RNC/Lister's Calls Marines "Dangerous", "Extremists" I'm sure you all saw this in the newspapers and on TV. The media were on it like... like..., well, like media in pursuit of Democrats. I don't know why I thought of <one of above bunch> Re: Br'er Tim.... I was sure Bob's mother taught him better than to get into a pissing match with the business end of a sewer. <Somebody's .sig> --------------------- Forwarded message: From: shenry2(a)ix.netcom.com (Sean Henry) Sender: PRESSLIST(a)rnc.org (RNC Press List) Reply-to: shenry2(a)ix.netcom.com (Sean Henry) To: PRESSLIST(a)BRONZE.RNC.ORG (Multiple recipients of list PRESSLIST) Date: 97-11-13 16:29:57 EST RNC News Release November 13, 1997 Nicholson Calls On Assistant Army Secretary To Step Down Lister Calls Marines "Dangerous," "Extremists" Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson today called on Assistant Secretary of the Army Sara E. Lister to resign her position, following a speech in which she referred to U.S. Marines as "extremists," and "a little dangerous." "It's astonishing that Secretary Lister has chosen to denigrate the Marine Corps, and it is absolutely unacceptable to have a person with this kind of mindset in a position of power at the Pentagon," Nicholson said. "For the good of the morale of America's Armed Forces, she should publicly apologize and resign immediately." Lister, one of President Clinton's Pentagon appointees, told a panel of academics and military personnel at Harvard University's Olin Institute in Baltimore on October 26, that "The Marines are extremists. Wherever you have extremists, you've got some risks of total disconnection with society. And that's a little dangerous." "These 'extremists' have fought and died for our country for more than two centuries," Nicholson said, noting that the Marine Corps celebrated its 222nd anniversary November 10. "Service secretaries are supposed to support our men and women in uniform, not publicly degrade their valor. Her remarks serve as evidence of her ignorance about what it takes to assemble and maintain an effective fighting unit." Nicholson, a retired Army colonel, Army Ranger in Vietnam and West Point graduate, said Lister's comments are reflective of what he called the Clinton Administration's anti-military attitude. "Bill Clinton wrote that he 'loathed' the military and he's apparently appointed people who share his anti-military view," Nicholson said. Rising tensions between the U.S. and Iraq also demonstrate the need for effective military leadership. "A person with such a negative attitude toward the patriots who serve in uniform has no business in any military organization," Nicholson said. "With this administration contemplating the use of military force in response to Saddam Hussein's lawless arrogance, it is inexcusable for the Assistant Secretary of the Army to insult the very men and women who would be on the front lines." (Visit http://www.rnc.org for the latest news and information) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: What cypherpunks used to be
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

evolve or die

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

15 Nov 97 at 0:45, Anonymous wrote: > Tim May writes: > >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > > > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, > >>you are implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. No it does not. Silence may mean you are to appalled to even post! > >>How many > >>people have objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or > >>two. How many objected when William Geiger suggested that more > >>nuclear bombs should have been dropped on Japan? Maybe the little marine was right about that. > >through my archived mail), along the lines of: "I fully expect to > >wake up some morning and hear that some terrorist nuke has > >destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." > > Try this: > > : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers > : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 > : > : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at > least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. > nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any > meaningful sense > You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > > Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers > agree? No way. But I feel, at times, it's bad enough to be *reading* that stuff let alone posting about it! > How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in > the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You > have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of > people killed. I think "nuke DC" has become almost a turn of the phrase, these days. > It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned > discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support > such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. > > You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind > of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. OK. Here I go. I come down on the complaining side. > Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list > long ago. Nope. Just lurking. > >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and > >>protection of privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, > >>threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. Those things all go hand in hand. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, > >actually. And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was > >the same in 1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called > >Waco that happened around that time? Go back and read the traffic. I first signed on in 1994. > You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong > innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in > Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no > different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in > Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as > ruthless and violent as the worst of them. > > This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no > problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of > D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. > Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a > government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your > mailbox. Well, I used to say Kill Them All And Let God Sort Them Out back when I was in the military. NoMongerHere

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Re: Jim Bell's Mug Shot
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: >Jim Bell's mug shot from US News (and mine): > > http://jya.com/jbjy.jpg ............................................. Well, John, this is kind of amusing - why in the world did you put your photos together? You could become confused as being associated, you know. .. Blanc

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No Subject
by BSAFE International 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- BSAFEeay alpha 1 is now available! BSAFEeay, also known as BSAFE International, is a public domain implementation of the BSAFE API, implemented outside the US and based on public domain source code which uses BSAFE, such as SETref. BSAFEeay currently implements enough of the BSAFE API to support SETref, with more support coming soon. Combined with SETref, BSAFEeay enables the first entirely public domain SET implementation. For more information and to download, visit: https://www.cypherpunks.to/ BSAFEeay is NOT a product of RSA Data Security, Inc. and you still must license RSA in the US. - -- BSAFE International <bsafeeay(a)cypherpunks.to> https://www.cypherpunks.to/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.0i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNG6bj5M0Bmsl+tm9AQFZuwP/SiLg3ZB6RbZ/+I6Wl8+luIP5fiYgS1Yv ItxyZQ+EHxV5Ud6fSC2PEf2hw2vWo/S77AMSp5jf1I8xCWk6hcfyI/c/5kS3vKzo hmns6B6y2puzfwmtLltuzhgoldxkmh1aFsRnzymuH1NT+jpPjvmCTIVX+7kDAJYR SBfAK0ZO3Zs= =X7Yl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark Koernke "Mark of Michigan" Arrested Today by WebToday Staff Writers November 14, 1997 Mark Koernke (aka "Mark of Michigan") was arrested on Friday, November 14, 1997. A warrant for his arrest was issued on November 7 in Washteneau County for aggravated assault for allegedly beating up process server Roger Gainer while being served with a summons by the defense lawyers of John Stevenson. Stevenson had plead guilty of being an accessory after the fact in the murder last year of William "Bill" Gleason in Hillsdale, Michigan. More charges are expected to be filed against Korernke and other individuals in the ongoing investigation of the Gleason murder which is often referred to as "the Hillsdale murder." Richard Champion (aka Carl Miller) was arrested two weeks ago for failure to respond to a subpoena but has since bonded out of jail. Bond was set at $22,000. Bill Gleason was reportedly one of Mark Koernke's bodyguards. Both were members of the U. S. Militia. Neither Koernke nor Gleason were ever members of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines (MMCW). The MMCW, headquartered in Muskegon, Michigan and is led by Commander Lynn Jon Van Huizen. It is believed to be the largest militia group in Michigan and perhaps the largest in the U. S. Koernke is a resident of Dexter, Michigan and works for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He is known for his "American in Peril" video and is a shortwave radio commentator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is confirmed as I spoke with John Statdmiller personally 10 minutes ago. Mark Koernke was arrested a few hours ago. Charges are felony firearms possession.Local County prosecuter bringing the charges is Donald Ray of the 14th District. His office number is 313 971 0078 Mark is scheduled for arraignment at 2PM Eastern Time

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Tim May wrote: > At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ? > >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me. > > > > I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago! > > Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be > your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty. > > You go, chop chop. More of Tim "chop chop" May's racism. This is the man that you claim to have respect for. You must be turning your head away in embarrassment from this offensive behavior. But he's not embarrassed about it, so why should you be? Look plainly at the kind of man you are dealing with, and ask whether he deserves your respect.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Joichi Ito wrote: >But, I suppose chaos is good. For you and for us. It's always nice to >be reminded that racisms in the US is still alive and >active. Sometime I forget and almost identify with you folks. Wait a second. Are you claiming that because one (1.) racist is on a list, that everybody on the list is a racist? How curious. Could this be an artifact of Japanese culture? I have heard that Japanese culture emphasizes collective responsibilty to a higher degree than in the United States. So, for instance, a group like this one would be both more formally regulated and also informally socially regulated. That is, when Tim makes some sort of comment, everybody else would be somehow responsible for it. I am glad this is not that kind of group. I believe such groups are not very interesting and have difficulty exploring novel ideas. Perhaps it would be better to think of this list as a park which can be visited by anybody in the world. (1. Even that one is greatly in doubt!) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNG5Rw5aWtjSmRH/5AQENCQf+LQNUA59hnT8jmXue6Hxm687Ujwzo2+fm iFc1TRRXElVW4w2iCUA+HG3NJTHkqeTIlz7gibNN7ZiF4VGOam73Ys4MQsZ8hP9n wFGIPwsS5XYWAo6eGaCclUejT1AMWlyFRS5ErOpCnnMo4JVQiWXdCT80rrVH+eZJ pa3fj3TLrw4W7Pj8l2OgIhaDk0DD1DDTBz3eo1q7js/S5EL6jwnq1i1zy7B8sVEo 8ud6dU/aSS8VTObZrNalzlYd6NU1gigRc3/SxeZUdHH+/Y3dw2+VAILjiEcnGmv6 5q6Qf2mrXjXA6f62ByW+H3VZ+4HcOQ1XjNN9g9UJN0+1kSsfIgaawg== =0U9X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGPsdk is now free for non-commercial use
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, PGP has come to it's senses and is allowing non-commercial developers to use the sdk for free. I didn't notice anything too ominous in the license agreement, and they promise a new licensing/prices for shareware and small commercial developers. Perhaps nobody is buying the sdk at it's current highly inflated licensing price. http://www.pgp.com/sdk/noncomm.cgi -- Phelix

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PGPsdk and freeware developers
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just had a thought. How does a freeware developer in the US distribute a program that uses PGPsdk? Would one have to set up an export-controlled web site to make sure them 'bad' foreigners don't get it? -- Phelix

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