December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:37 PM 11/16/97 PST, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: >Do you readJapanese import & export law book? >If you don't read at yet,You must read it. I bet that NoNookie's next post offers copies of Jap inport/export laws for $50. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAPCfVLt662DSXhAQHt9wgAkGTzSVIZp2jXh0df22a7Ah3y8hVPyzb4 3kuPrFs4o6+lhdgX3pE6r9F213Hl7/qaDheB/u0bXgnlGtK6gEdL+QBtGg78myRe F82sLxoNQHam31lZ7SRRqJ1GzlbPtPSWuHf3KwN7oaf7QaV/0mWViUYROCB94oqR cpAPnXLzXmeUmHmw8tePSES8KRHA5Gt2MD4Sda2LrJ+RUFvnXw2sG9TCrXeDLFx2 d8LBocy8eCYugc/lowF6NY80EfcFZb1fY+0lAGHg0d1NydJg+x9XxjNR2HBLEmTB +jF1b5gg6f9pVPrqqncmQWHLZAYUO0NuA4DHzHtM0cRh0V2bDBXTSg== =guKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:37 PM 11/16/97 PST, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: >Do you readJapanese import & export law book? >If you don't read at yet,You must read it. I bet that NoNookie's next post offers copies of Jap inport/export laws for $50. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAPCfVLt662DSXhAQHt9wgAkGTzSVIZp2jXh0df22a7Ah3y8hVPyzb4 3kuPrFs4o6+lhdgX3pE6r9F213Hl7/qaDheB/u0bXgnlGtK6gEdL+QBtGg78myRe F82sLxoNQHam31lZ7SRRqJ1GzlbPtPSWuHf3KwN7oaf7QaV/0mWViUYROCB94oqR cpAPnXLzXmeUmHmw8tePSES8KRHA5Gt2MD4Sda2LrJ+RUFvnXw2sG9TCrXeDLFx2 d8LBocy8eCYugc/lowF6NY80EfcFZb1fY+0lAGHg0d1NydJg+x9XxjNR2HBLEmTB +jF1b5gg6f9pVPrqqncmQWHLZAYUO0NuA4DHzHtM0cRh0V2bDBXTSg== =guKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Hard To Read PGP 5.5 Key
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:47 AM 11/17/97 -0800, SL Baur wrote: >Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > >> "Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> >> posted a message with the PGP 5.5 key attached below. >> My Eudora 3.0.3 plugin couldn't find any PGP-relevant information, > >Maybe you need a more modern email program. > >It worked fine for me with the (relatively ancient) Mailcrypt in >XEmacs. Try highlighting the public key block including the "Begin Public Key" and the "End Public Key" lines, then click the extract key button. I use Eudora 3.0.3 and that worked fine. I think the multiple keys in the message may confuse the plug-in. Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: [FWD] Finding a Face in the Crowd
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:09 PM 11/16/97 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >Oh well Mr. Orwell, you've never believe how far we've come... > >"Mugspot" Can Find A Face In The Crowd - Award-Winning Face Recognition >Software Prepares to Go to Work in the Streets > >Computer "eyes" are now up to such tasks as watching for fugitives in >airline terminals and other busy locations. A sophisticated >face-recognition system that placed first in recent Army competitive >trials has been given the added ability to pick out faces in noisy or >chaotic "street" environments. ><...snip...> > >The USC/Bochum system also shone in tests conducted under substandard >lighting conditions: It lost only a small fraction of its accuracy, >while competitors showed drastic falloffs in less-than-brilliant >illumination. > >The USC/Bochum system uses an unusual approach that mimics the >technique scientists believe the brain uses to recognize images. Von >der Malsburg, whose principal research interests lie in the >investigation of living brains, in fact carried out much of the >original research on the system as part of an attempt to understand >human face recognition. His research led to creating a computer model >of the way the brain's visual cortex processes information. To make this work really well, link it to the listening/locating/voiceprinting system described in the "Technology Secures Gunfire" thread for the purpose of aiming the cameras for greatest effect. 1984's "Big Brother" wasn't shit compared to this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHAN7PVLt662DSXhAQHK2wgAilb7w4bBZ8ieNxgT1w4LkPqVSHF0U/3E TFcnrAQXMnIky7Pvh3PoU3+0GmPDCJ7hFwrXo3IkNFpTbqkEZkSYx2VCR1soVdSW yUnYeq13A4aYwhuw17Rb+gp/iOm0mJdVhLcWyntHdRrNtjqPq1Kz1G7jidVYo/LS PpP/W9Xf4JJdlz5Wi84skupl5oX3UC6lKC9ag5JU+VGcunmy0QkRkTZRCkIEBtvG tGjKp5KOst8MdMHeGFmKKS3/ckBXwn9drUntOrJBARihuzXU9cXnTGMHqUkRAc59 RFPHYuVDeNmw4dHsZ4Dg01cC0AXPIytjbH9sMrWitmF6hJCLxydOcw== =RbMM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Seeing Both Sides
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bob Hettinga wrote: >But then, logic, much less independent thinking, was never >Foucault's strong point. I took this statement at face value, but out of curiousity I decided to find out who this guy Foucault was. The things I read about him lead me to believe otherwise. Some quotes from Michel Foucault: "The judges of normality are present everywhere. We are in the society of the teacher-judge, the doctor-judge, the educator-judge, the 'social worker'-judge." "Prison continues, on those who are entrusted to it, a work begun elsewhere, which the whole of society pursues on each individual through innumerable mechanisms of discipline." How quick we are to condemn those who step out of the "norm", no? As soon as someone says something even slightly controversial, our inner censors rush in to separate ourselves from that person, to chastise him, to condemn him, regardless of the relationship we have developed with him in the past. There is this unfortunate property in man that leads him to disassociate himself from the ideas he holds true if it is convenient, and especially if it will allow him to avoid the ridicule, hatred and disdain of others. In the never ending "pursuit of happiness" we seek to make our lives so comfortable that we will give up that which we hold dearest. "The work of an intellectual is not to mould the political will of others; it is, through the analyses that he does in his own field, to re-examine evidence and assumptions, to shake up habitual ways of working and thinking, to dissipate conventional familiarities, to re-evaluate rules and institutions and...to participate in the formation of a political will (where he has his role as citizen to play)." In other words, to make people think. This is the goal of the intellectual. To subtly influence the mass of humanity by appealing to their minds, their reason, instead of their base instincts and emotions. Tolerance and acceptance are results brought about in us by communion with the mind, that which is greatest in us. Hatred, persecution, violence are what we fall back upon when we cease to live to our fullest potential. We degenerate into the animals we once were. Once again, Bob wrote: >The world's foremost pseudomystical relativist cited to support an >absolutist position. The logic escapes me. But then, logic, much less >independent thinking, was never Foucault's strong point. Perhaps one way of looking at it is that if you can't see the black and the white, you're missing the whole picture. After all, who would think that one would need to use an anonymous remailer and a pseudonym to express oneself in a free and open society such as ours? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGu85OFWwZe05jcJAQGvYwgAlI0R3rJW67A9fFIs9ai5FY/jEAwV2oQ1 112bd/UmgfJ11DYPWUpG6GKt2XcBUd6UfYPnidY27hT+GGBTTKjAeF88z0XMu6Ep jWUPllwb0Dw5or1o9IBg8ZAOPaAu/SMy9yVgcfaEbAqmfNken+dBhbfoAORjaLd8 BJSYCGs1Bw3Aw1gE7e3aJdjlYs/gKKNkoTQCkgkt6VBBCEQ7dXG1qbq2BTYS3py9 meK2utOM+YLG/+bJSoGRLT5oFiIpnYrkIwAziAtO7WAfydq+vwf8EsTdnX5mwUxg THngvvyaAbZtVm/yObAPgifbfpfDbnfYOL/rrJQzGMXVJCUBNKTQKg== =zZLC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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List
by Pier Carlo Montecucchi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I will appreciate to be included in your list. Sincerely Pier Carlo Montecucchi Intelligence-Net Office 540 Beverly Ct. - suite 1 Tallahassee Fl 32301 - USA Email: pcmontecucchi(a)compuserve.com phone: 212-208-2647 fax: 212-208-2648

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-Make A Fortune In Foreclosures-
by Biz-Man＠Inteligence-9.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Hey Punk!!
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Josh Lynch writes: > I just mailed Jason. I feel like an asshole about missing my third day. > I haven't got any sleep since tuesday, and I haven't kept any food down > since Subway yesterday. I have a nice fever, and I can't sleep because my > stomach feels nautious (sp?). Well enough of my sob story, I think I made > a great impression today (not) you'll probably be lucky to see me tomarrow > if I get fired. Oh yeah, on top of all that I miss the metting that I > needed to go to the most. Later > > josh > > On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Super-User wrote: > > > Hey ya punk!! > > > > What's this crap about being sick?? Ya punk, wheere's the desire, the > > ambition, the need to puke on your client's terminal?? > > We're headed out to Impressions Inc. to do some Xinet shit and to talk > > to the Xinet Rep. Jason wanted you to come along to meet Xinet reps. > > Ya better feel special 'cause I never got asked to meet any reps, I had > > to corner'em and kick their ass to get a response. Anyway, if you feel > > good enough to come with, call Jason's cel @ 8674526 or the condo @ > > 9276596. > > > > Later, > > Murray > > > > > > P.S.- I made you an account on the SGI (josh, passwd:calvin1) ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ > > IP:206.144.185.110 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Note the risks of sending passwords in cleartext and fucking up the e-mail addresses so they end up in my orphan mailbox. :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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See Ya Tomorrow
by user0105＠mallmaster1.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey there, what's going on. I just signed up for this great web site, and thought you would get a kick out of it. Here is my password, check it out if you want. The video sex is unreal.. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/8873/ User name= 239949 Password= porn2 See you at the golf corse in the morning. You better not be late this time....... D P.S. Tell Kathy to give my wife a call..

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[REPOST] Gary Burnore's Attack on Privacy
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone doubts Gary Burnore's vindictive nature and his disregard for the privacy of others, read this message from him where he dug up an old tax lien filed against one of his critics and broadcast it worldwide on Usenet in order to embarass him and intimidate him into silence about Gary Burnore and his abusive tactics: --- BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE --- Subject: Re: Monkey-boys position From: gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:01:14 GMT Message-ID: <gburnoreE5Iqy2.H8C(a)netcom.com> Organization: the home office in Wazoo, NE Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet References: <gburnoreE51xvo.2zK(a)netcom.com> <5doim6$32q$1(a)monkeys.com> <twficE5G4HL.Fp9(a)netcom.com> <wotanE5Gu0t.8Hv(a)netcom.com> <5drvl3$bvr$1(a)monkeys.com> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg(a)monkeys.com) wrote: { In article <wotanE5Gu0t.8Hv(a)netcom.com>, <Wotan> wrote: { >In article <twficE5G4HL.Fp9(a)netcom.com>, { >Ty Fairchild <twfic(a)netcom.com> wrote while drinking: { > { >>Fortunately this thread will not be extended by any further follow from { >>monkeyboy. His public pronouncement states his position. { > { >Y'all mean bent over a post spreading his ass cheeks and yelling "Fuck { >me" to any passing entity? { Atta boy Wotan, my little BaBaBasicks bean brain. Jump in again any time. What say each time you slam DataBasix for no reason, we post some publicly available information about monkeys.com. HEre's the first try: + +Filing Number: 90226822 +Document Type: STATE TAX +Filing Date: 04/30/90 +Amount: $157,705 +Debtor: GUILMETTE, RONALD F, <ssn deleted> + 550 PAULARINO AV, COSTA MESA, CA +Court/County: ORANGE REC, ORANGE, CA +Certificate: 90114005621 +Tax Authority: FRANCHISE TAX BOARD +Release Number: 90431912 +Release Date: 08/15/90 + +Filing Number: 336573L +Document Type: STATE TAX +Filing Date: 04/27/90 +Amount: $157,705 +Debtor: GUILMETTE, RONALD F, <ssn deleted> + 550 PAULARINO AV, COSTA MESA, CA +Court/County: SANTA CLARA REC, SANTA CLARA, CA +Certificate: 90114005622 +Tax Authority: FRANCHISE TAX BOARD +Release Number: 4451377L +Release Date: 08/10/90 + More where this came from. Yu wanna keep slamming DataBasix for no good reason? -- gburnore(a)databasix.com mailto:gburnore@databasix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's another word for Thesaurus? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 DataBasix | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 San Francisco, CA | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 | ][3 3 4 1 4 2 ]3^3 6 9 0 6 9 ][3 http://www.databasix.com | Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== --- END INCLUDED MESSAGE --- --

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Korean "red alert" -- national ID cards proposed
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:04:32 +0900 > From: Ko Youngkyong <frontist(a)member.sing-kr.org> > Subject: RED ALERT of Privacy in Korea! > > Dear Comrads, > > About the Electronic National ID Card project, > situations gets rough in South Korea. > The ruling party, Shin-han-kuk Dang, and some politicians > of conservative Opposition party has passed related laws > on ID card project on November 13 in Domestic Affair Session. > It was a sudden terror to us and to the privacy of Korean people. > In Korea, for a law to be passed, it must be passed in the partial > session of National Assembly and be finally determined by > whole conference(I don't assure whether it correct or not). > Whole conference will be held on November 17. > It may be difficult to stop passing of the law, though we lobby > some M.P.s. > If the law should be passed, we will and must begin a long, > harsh struggle to the denial movement of ID card. > We think it may take several years like Australia. > We, Task Force against Electronic ID Card, and privacy advocates > in Korea are planning demonstrations within 2,3 days and some other > actions of expressing protest. We will do whatever we can. > > Keep your eyes on! Please inform your fellows of this crisis of privacy > and help us in every way you can. > It's RED ALERT of privacy in Korea. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Korean NGO Task Force against Electronic National ID Card > ----------------------------------------------------- > Homepage URL: http://kpd.sing-kr.org/idcard/ > E-mail : frontist(a)member.sing-kr.org > Phone : +82-2-855-1913 > Fax : +82-2-858-1913

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Overcoming War with Information
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Steve Schear wrote: >Many injustices follow from form and scale of government. I won't be the >first to point out that as the number of people, geography and ethnic >diversity increase governance becomes ever more difficult and as is the >balancing of individual liberty over the "overiding interests of the >society." The solution is clear, the method of its emergence is not. >Smaller geo-political units. I doubt that our pressing social and political >problems can be adequately delt with until the scale of governance is >changed, but this requires those in the center to give up much and >historically this has rarely if ever happened without bloodshed. Monty Cantsin wrote elsewhere: >One of the things that appeals to me about the tools the cypherpunks >are developing is the likelihood that they will end war. What >percentage of wars are instigated and organized by governments? That >is, how many wars can we think of in which a war originated in the >population of country and dragged its unwilling government into the >fray? I cannot think of any. War is often used to justify the existence of government. If politicians can convince the people that they have an enemy that must be destroyed, the people willingly give their lives and livelihood to the government to fight this assumed enemy. War feeds the expansion of a government's power over its citizens. After the war has ended, the government maintains this newfound power. Interestingly, the 20th century, which has been the bloodiest in recorded history, has also been the century of failed experiments in large-scale government. The former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia are clear examples of what happens when different groups of people (who would rather not be associated) are forced to live together at the point of a gun. The disolution of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, and the subsequent violence and unrest clearly illustrate the results of forced association. Governments are impedements to the free and voluntary interaction among the world's people. Look how vehemently governments attempt to block the flow of certain types of information to their people. Trade barriers, censorship and control of communications channels are three of the tools governments use to restrict a free global society. The trend now is toward smaller political units. The recent dissolution of former socialist nation-states is one example. The growth in the "State Sovereignty" movement in America is another. "Those in the center", as Steve refers to them, may not have any choice about giving up what they have. Their only hope would be to spread enough lies (via the mass media channels) to convince the majority of people to back them, in another war of course. We must remember that people are reluctant -- and for good reason -- to go to war. Common sense prevails, though it may not be exercised all that often. War can be avoided if the truth of the situation is revealed to the populace: the spotlight shone on the puppetmasters. At the same time, clear solutions to the problems that have accumulated due to blind faith in an unworkable system have to be presented and implemented. The transition will not be easy. We have our work cut out for us. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNG85MeFWwZe05jcJAQFddAf/boDWEY9HU5OxiRkOthDmEOn6fGbe/m/q r1QJz26TYQ+VH/3fMjbHeTpcOv9LwPPFpFx0HgW+FQOjFs5cBDUfbAZCliq8mDb8 CLXLmqh/DeFEPtMDMHHMakIYxT+uL06vR2jWXyvQFHQZLX/D0PvLTDf2/PFN2B3A yKln3C5yDcO54aHmlWjMz3nBVMBokGYcrvqUj8qlTX29B7CVq3bFPlbtm98mUhrD tpHCAHgLugjocNcoKPcNZblB0G52SP6uN/gvQj9fm0dixqKZbMjp6VHWpTAkQ2HR dfGlpcEZz7rnf3teqOMHlY858Z0Dkax+/9GvBbBSv8yGcOeaZRQuow== =eqJh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Secret No More: FBI Files
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An informative site, titled "Secret No More," lists FBI files of 2000 targets compiled by Michael Ravnitzky from FOIA requests: http://www.crunch.com/01secret/01secret.htm Happy to report that at least three of the targets (one named thrice) dragnetted this rioter in younger days at Columbia, maybe others have shagged me since.

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[REPOST] Gary Burnore's Harassment of the Huge Cajones Remailer
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[REPOST] Gary Burnore's Harassment of the Huge Cajones Remailer
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since Gary Burnore has been making posts in the alt.privacy.anon-server NG about how remailers are supposedly being "abused" in order to "forge" articles in his name, I figure it's time to repost a Usenet article from Jeff Burchell, operator of the Huge Cajones Remailer, about Gary Burnore's harassment which ultimately convinced him to shut down the remailer, in order to document Mr. Burnore's modus operandi, in case he attempts a similar attack against another remailer: --- BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE --- Subject: Jeff's Side of the Story. From: toxic(a)hotwired.com (Jeff Burchell) Date: 1997/07/01 Message-ID: <5pbnoe$f29$1(a)re.hotwired.com> Followup-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.fan.steve-winter, alt.religion.scientology,alt.anonymous,misc.misc, alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk, news.admin.net-abuse.misc Organization: Content, Inc Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.fan.steve-winter, alt.religion.scientology,alt.anonymous,misc.misc, alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship,alt.cypherpunks, comp.org.eff.talk,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Anonymous (nobody(a)REPLAY.COM) wrote: : > Only Jeff knows the whole story. Actually, not even I know the whole story. If I truely knew who it was that was orchestrating this attack, it would have stopped, one way or another. The problem is, I don't know all the players (I have some suspicions, which I'll elaborate on further in a little bit) but I don't _really_ know who did it, and I really don't know why (other than a "I don't like remailers, I think I'll shut one down"). And I really don't know the background or what precipitated this. : > But I have to ask. Could this : > just be an" I'm sick of this shit, f**k it, I quit, who needs this : > aggravation, I'll just pull the plug and go have a beer" reaction : > to what really seems like a fairly small problem. It is not a small problem anymore when you're getting >200 complaint messages a day, plus 5-10 phone calls to your employer (and your employer's legal department). Fortunately, Wired is a very progressive company, and supported my efforts to provide anonymity, but our lawyers aren't paid to answer phone calls on my behalf. Running a remailer is one thing... getting harassed at work is an entirely different matter, and getting a THIRD PARTY harassed at work is yet another one. But yes, The ultimate "take this thing down" decision was one made because I was sick of this bullshit. But you know what? I volunteer my time, my computer equipment, and bandwidth that is given to me as part of my salary. I do (well did) all of this because I believe that anonymity is a right, and because I have the capabilities of helping to provide anonymity to the masses. When the remailer was self-sufficient (before the attacks started), it took maybe 10 minutes of my time a day, and minimal resources on my machine. Afterwards, even after I put in the auto-blocking feature (send a blank message to a particular address and get your address blocked) and the autoresponder on the remailer-admin account, I was still getting >100 messages a day reporting abuse... almost all of it spam-bait related. I receive no benefit from running the remailer (I don't even use it myself), and when it becomes a fairly major hassle without any rewards, the decision is not a hard one to make. And frankly, I already have enough to do, and get enough mail on a daily basis (at last check it was hovering around 600 messages/day). As soon as the remailer started taking up a lot of my time, it became time to rethink why I was running it. The moment that the spam-baiter started alerting people who had been baited, and telling them to contact me, it became personal. And I don't have time to get into personal pissing-contests. Yes, I took the easy way out, but that was my choice to make. Anyone who doesn't run a remailer has very little right questioning my choice, because you have no idea what precipitated it. Most people reading this group have the capabilities of running a remailer (it only takes a POP account and a Windows machine to run the Winsock remailer), but very few of us actually do. Why is that? I've been running huge. cajones for just under 2 years, and it averaged just over 3000 messages a day, so my remailer was responsible for about 2 million anonymous messages in its lifetime. I think I've done my part (at least for now), it's time for someone else to do theirs. If we had 15 disposable remailers that operated for 2-3 months each before moving/going away, we'd have paths for millions more anonymous messages. And isn't that what we're really trying to provide? : The first was doing questionable things, like installing content-based : filtering in an attempt to placate the attacker. Giving in to the demands When I first put the filters in, I was entirely unaware of exactly what the hell was going on. It seemed that someone had a bone to pick with databasix, and was using the remailer to get databasix harassed by third parties. So, Burnore's complaint seemed reasonable at the time, and I tried to come up with a way to block spam-bait abuse, without blocking anything else (like a reply to burnore in Usenet). See, if someone was doing to me what they appeared to be doing to Burnore, I would be pissed. I figured placating him would be the best thing to do. In hindsight, I was wrong, but at the time, it seemed like the correct decision. (Also at the same time, the SPA threatened Wired with a lawsuit because of The MailMasher, so things were a little tense between me and the legal department already, I didn't need to make them any worse.) The final content-based-filter (there was an interim one) looked for the following things: 1. Any address at databasix (Yes, at the request of Burnore) 2. Any address from my destination block list 3. More than 5 addresses in a row, one line each, without other content in-between. 4. Patterns of particular Usenet groups. 5. Particular subject lines. If any THREE of these items were spotted, the message got thrown into a reject bin. I periodically examined the reject bin, and can personally attest that it didn't block ANYTHING that it wasn't intended to. (The test posts reeked of spam-bait to me, and I believe were correctly blocked) FWIW, the filters were removed about a week ago. Because the filters were looking for a specific form of ABUSE, and not just doing basic pattern matches, I don't consider them to be "content filters". I would think that just about anyone would agree that posting lists of email addresses to mlm newsgroups would qualify as abuse, and _should_ be blocked. Blocking of this nature does NOT restrict free speech (or at least that is not the intentions of it), and it would keep the remailer out of lawsuit territory. See, the big problem with lawsuits is not the fact that _I_ don't want to be sued. The problem is that anyone with half a brain can determine that Wired is somehow related to any remailer that I am running on their bandwidth. Wired has deeper pockets than Mr. Burchell, so they are a much better group to sue... and they are a lot more willing to give in to a threat than I am. : What I *MIGHT* have done was to respond as follows: : : Your legal demands are unacceptable. I'd rather close the remailer than : compromise its integrity to suit your whims. But understand this -- unless : you withdraw your demands, I will not only close the remailer but also make : damn sure all of its users know exactly who forced me to take this action! I did respond in a fashion much like this, about a week before the attacks started coming. Mr. Burnore requested a copy of my (non-existant) logs. I told him to get me something in writing, signed by his lawyer that stipulated that the logs were confidential, and not to be revealed to anyone outside of the lawyer's office. I received a letter from Belinda Bryan. She is not registered with the State Bar of California, and is thus, not a California lawyer. I then ignored the request, and forwarded the correspondence to the State Attorney General's office (as impersonating a lawyer in CA is defined as fraud with extenuating circumstances). They have been working with me and the San Francisco DA's office. Look out DataBasix... I'm not done with you yet. : The second mistake I perceive is not fully disclosing the circumstances that : brought down Huge Cajones, and *NAMING NAMES*. That way, even if the remailer : shuts down, other remailer operators will learn about the tactics employed : against it, know *WHO* made the demands, etc. IOW, when you get an innocent : sounding, polite complaint from xxxx(a)yyy.com alleging "abuse", here's the : scenario that's likely to follow ... (It's not too late to make that : disclosure, Jeff.) In fact, now is the time to. Making a disclosure like this while I was still running the remailer would have probably been a bad move. Now that the remailer is closed, I'll name the names that I've got. Beware... all of this is speculation, because huge.cajones was an anonymous service, not even I can say with any authority that any of the people named below had anything to do with the shutdown of huge.cajones (or The MailMasher). However, there are a number of coincidences of timing. I still don't know what the hell is going on with DataBasix, Wells Fargo and Gary Burnore, but I suspect that someone used huge.cajones to say something extremely unflattering about Burnore (from what I can tell, he had it coming). Burnore then decided that he would make things difficult for me. First, he wanted the user who had posted something "inflammatory" about him revealed. When I told him that I couldn't do that, he carried on about mail logs and identifying the host that a message came from (the usual). I didn't explain to him that my machine keeps logs, but not anything involving a *(a)cajones.com address. He then requested the logs, which I denied (and told him to get his lawyer to send a request...) I'll admit, after my second or third contact with Mr. Burnore, I no longer was particularly civil with the guy. He's a kook, and really didn't deserve my courtesy. Between the time he first contacted me, and the time I received the letter from Belinda Bryan, is when the baiting of databasix addresses began (slowly, with just a few posts). After a while, I received requests from the other members of DataBasix (including William McLatchie (sp) (aka wotan) who actually seems to be a remailer supporter (?)). It was at this point that I realized something was completely amiss. I asked McLatchie to please tell me the story of DataBasix, and he said that he was going to, but never did. Anyone who can tell me the story is invited to do so. As a side note (and just because I am naming names). Peter Hartly (hartley(a)hartley.on.ca) yesterday spam-baited me. Fortunately, I've got good filters in place. As another side note, I've seen nothing to make me believe that Belinda Bryan is even a real person. Anyone? : > Given the importance of what Jeff was doing, I hope that he : > did all that he could, before declaring defeat. If that is the case, : > I commend him for a job well done. If not, why? I can't claim to have done _everything_ that I could have done, but I did certainly make an effort. I'm not willing to go to court to defend a practice like spam-baiting (and given the current public-opinion situation and impending anti-UCE legislation, this would be a terrible test-case). I am not new to threats of lawsuit, even ones that come from legitimate lawyers. About 8 months previous, I was threatened repeatedly by the legal wing of the "Church" of Scientology. I answered with a letter from my lawyer that explained the policies of the remailer, and threatened a harrassment lawsuit if the "Church" contacted me again asking for information (that they now knew I didn't have) about a remailer user. They complied, and went away (and haven't been too difficult with other remailer operators lately). : Agreed. Otherwise, these "asshole(s)" are simply going to do it all over : again against another remailer, eventually taking them all down one at a time. Except that right now, new remailers are springing up. If we could get three more online for every one shut down, it wouldn't much matter, would it? I may very well end up running a mailer again in the future, but if I do, it will probably be either a throwaway exit-man or a truely anonymous middleman (i.e. nobody will actually know who is running it). It also will probably be hosted outside of the United States (Floating in international waters with a sat feed would be nice). : It's time for them to stand up and say "Next time you come for one of us : he's : not going quietly as the others have. You'll have to face ALL of us at once, : instead." Aah, you imagine much more solidarity among remailer operators than actually exists. It doesn't work that way. It would be nice if it did, but many of us are running remailers on borrowed bandwidth (or have other "situations" to be concerned about). Being the squeaky wheel is not always a good idea for many of the operators (most of whom try to keep a low profile). The reality is, for all the good they do, remailers are tools that can very easily be abused. And, as the internet gets more and more commonplace, the average Joe and Joesphine, who don't have the strict Cyber-Libertarian viewpoints that are shared by most of us old-timers, will start to wonder just why anyone would want to run a service that allows anyone to speak their mind without fear of reprisal. When you get people with more extreme viewpoints (the ones who have a really legitimate need for anonymity) posting all kinds of stuff to all kinds of places, it will get the attention of Middle-America, which will then bring it to the attention of legislators. Any time a legislator can say "This is a blow to Child Pornographers and others who hide behind anonymity to commit crimes without fear of reprisal" you can guarantee that the bill will pass. When that happens, we're in trouble. America is scared of computers, and remailers are thought to be havens for the big 3 (Terrorists, Organized Crime and Child Pornographers). Now that the spammers are involved (spammers possibly being hated more than the big 3), most users are exposed to anonymous remailers in negative ways (Imagine what you would think if the first time you heard about the existance of remailers, it was because someone had spam-baited you, and then told you about it). The right to anonymity in the US will be legislated away within 18 months, partially because of spam. I do hope there's a _good_ test case waiting, and someone willing to fight it to the end, but I have my doubts. Ultimately the remailer network will be forced to move offshore, the way Crypto development currently has. Don't like the News? Go out and make some of your own. -Jeff |o| |o| |o| Jeff Burchell toxic(a)wired.com |o| |o|- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|o| |o| I am not speaking for anyone but myself. |o| |o| |o| --- END INCLUDED MESSAGE --- This article is archived in DejaNews under their "old" database if you wish to verify its authenticity. --

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >If Bob has objections or differences of opinion, fine. But he should not >squander his reputation capital by foaming about my personal choices, by >referring to snot running down my barrel, by claiming I said I was going to >kill a judge, and other such lies. > >And he really ought to tone down his "Hunter S. Thompsen wannabee" style of >writing. It was old a couple of years ago. I am of the opinion that Hettinga still has some value, but he should work on his style and do a little more homework before posting. I think what he is trying to convey is relentless positive energy and friendliness. This may work in person, but it tends to fail in ASCII. He also doesn't seem to be aware that a good portion of his articles are insulting. It's somewhat understandable if he is a recovering Democrat. I've seen cases like this before and they are treatable. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNG5T/5aWtjSmRH/5AQEXxAf+NmsB63JByu1N879lnBezBGsaM+oLIluK imZsWa//u+XLtEn+OVwhEk7vSn7BGIpUjVv3YjwA76dBHOgFaVH7RvK7XrM2Qilb clteX7+GFRJQas3wy1JWtmTmlWZtLm/NfQAD8GMXWmlq9S8VJpEpD7qNg9cy0KAo RVW72oFniQ70oChs+RK8JXFD0sDNaUrmeC1axplT5g7UdYnEJi/0eSWY8fSjX/6i iLggR69+YNy+/cGaxfjpW0PFAp4yHaquSW2lKxeHX3bkX+bEEsZRJ8WO0Q7mdJlb PxRWn9G5knZkTokmOJ1Rc0PA3QnkZo3XE7aXGs0spdxPj9gkk0RDHg== =+V8D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PGP 5 SDK
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Georg.Uphoff(a)uni-konstanz.de sez: : Does anyone know where you can get PGP 5 SDK except PGP.Inc. ? : It would be lovely if it be free and under circumvention of U.S. : export control ! ftp.replay.com:/pub/crypto/pgp/pgpsdk Unfortunately one .dll in the win32 file seems corrupt (bad crc), so until that get's fixed you can do with unix. : Thanks in advance. : Nappy -- Alex de Joode | usura(a)SABOTAGE.ORG | http://www.sabotage.org Sabotage Internet: Your Internet Problem Provider.

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Speed the Net
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wall Street Journal, November 17, 1997, p. 28 Congress Asked To Help Speed Internet Growth High-Tech Firms Propose Controls to Build Trust In Digital Marketplace By John Simons Washington - In an attempt to assert their newfound clout along the Potomac, 11 major U.S. high-technology companies are asking Congress and the White House to speed the growth of electronic commerce. Among the things they want are a moratorium on Internet taxes, the addition of Internet-specific language to the Uniform Commercial Code and a loosening of encryption-export controls. In an 18-page policy paper, to be released tomorrow, the chief executives of companies including Compaq Computer Corp., Digital Equipment Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co., International Business Machines Corp., and Sun Microsystems Inc. outline their recommendations on several prickly issues, including sales taxes and tariffs, encryption, consumer privacy and content regulation. The coalition, also known as the Computer Systems Policy Project, urges governments to act quickly to help cyber-merchants foster consumer trust in the emerging digital marketplace. Most of the companies that endorsed the proposals are poised to take advantage of what could be a $200 billion-plus sales arena by the year 2000. Other companies in the coalition include Apple Computer Inc., Data General Corp., NCR Corp., Silicon Graphics Inc., Stratus Computer Inc. and Unisys Corp. Although the policy recommendations are another example of Silicon Valley's current hot and heavy relationship with the nation's capital, the paper is hardly a love letter. One familiar refrain: Though industry needs government's help, Washington should keep its presence to a minimum. There is even a sense that some of the CEOs are reluctant to sully themselves by becoming overly involved in matters of politics. "I have no specific interest in lobbying in the strict sense," says Lars Nyberg, the CEO of NCR, co-chairman of the authoring committee with IBM's Louis V. Gerstner Jr. "Politicians can help this change or they can slow the evolution dramatically. We have the responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen. So, this is just something we have to do." The paper's authors are perhaps at their least subtle where they chide the Federal Communications Commission for what they believe is a plodding and shoddy implementation of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The group argues that in order to populate the new digital domain, consumers need inexpensive, readily available access to an array of telecommunications services. Coalition members are concerned about the lack of competition in local telephone markets. They insist that local monopolies have hampered technological progress. "Until there is competition in the local markets for data and digital traffic, there will be no pressure on the incumbent telephone carriers to deploy new technologies." the group states. On the tax issue, the CEOs advocate "tax neutrality," meaning that no tax system should discriminate based on the way a consumer purchases a product. Uncoordinated attempts to "force fit" existing tax structures, for example, "could impose discriminatory and multiple taxes on e-commerce transactions." they say. To avoid the problem, the group prods Congress to pass pending legislation to put a moratorium on new Internet sales taxes while industry, federal and local governments worked out a national standard for levying taxes on Internet commerce. The paper's authors are also pushing for a comparable international moratorium. As for the Internet's legal framework, the paper calls for an immediate amendment to the Uniform Commercial Code, one that updates contract laws and consumer protection rules for on-line transactions. The paper is most vague in its prescriptions for encryption policy, an area where government and industry have clashed on numerous occasions. The U.S. has held tight restrictions on the export of strong encryption software, which can be used to ensure security for Internet transactions, contending that it would be impossible to protect citizens from hacker attacks and other digital misdeeds if strong encryption were made available overseas. The coalition is critical of the administration's stance, but offers few specific solutions. In part, the paper is a response to a challenge the White House issued last summer. In July, the Clinton administration released its "Framework for Global Electronic Commerce," a far-reaching set of policy prescriptions authored by Ira Magaziner, the president's senior adviser on policy development. Throughout the paper, Mr. Magaziner stressed that government should take a passive role in regulating the Internet. His preferred alternative: Help industry to set its own rules and standards. Mr. Magaziner called the coalition's paper "a very interesting, useful and helpful initiative." He said, "The principles are consistent with what we're hoping for. And, what's important is they are stepping up and leading." Convincing Congress, much less foreign entities, to agree on these issues will be difficult, however. Over the next few weeks, members of the coalition plan to travel overseas with their message. The group expects to meet with members of Congress, White House advisers and FCC officials sometime in January. -----

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Re: Databasix conspiracy theories
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Andy Dustman <andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu> wrote: > > If I remember correctly, the documentation for at least one of the nymservers > > suggested that posting through a remailer and pasting in the return address > > would be quicker and impose less burden on the server than having to process > > each outgoing message through the server. > > That's possible, and if true, it's probably in the documentation for > redneck. Personally, I would prefer to have the server handle those > messages, simply because there is a certain amount of "authentication", > i.e., you can be reasonably sure that that nym really sent the message and > wasn't forged. I think it's just as well that people NOT get the idea that the e-mail address in the headers (from *ANY* ISP) is somehow authenticated and reliable. The only advantage to sending the message through the 'nymserver would be if the server itself would PGP sign the message with its own key to prove that the message was sent through the server by a properly authenticated user. The remailers themselves have become the victims of forgeries. Back during the DataBasix "reign of [t]error" directed at Jeff Burchell, the "DataBasix cabal" (called that by a Netcom news admin, BTW) accused the Mailmasher 'nymserver of being used for "forgery" of Gary Burnore's name and address to various posts. And now, even after the cajones.com domain has apparently bitten the dust, I've seen complaints of spam being received by people that's been forged to look as if it had come from that domain. In the case of the Burnore forgeries, the Path: was only traceable back to the mail2news gateway, so the header items implicating Mailmasher could have easily been forged just as Mr. Burnore's address was. Nevertheless, these alleged "forgeries" comprised the rationale used by a DataBasix employee, Billy McClatchie, for demanding the Mailmasher be shut down. Any kid with a throwaway Netcruiser account and a copy of Netscape or some other mailer that allows you to set an arbitrary From: address on outgoing SMTP mail can easily "forge" a return address, and certainly do a more convincing job than you could ever hope to do by pasting headers through a remailer. I'll bet if that happened, people like Mr. Burnore would not be so quick to demand that Netcom be shut down if it can't put a stop to this. > > I'm not sure that even that is a wise precedent to set. In itself it seems > > innocuous enough, but it could always lead to a demand, "Well, you already > > mangle e-mail addresses contained in the bodies of posts, so why not also > > alter the contents of posts in the following way..." > > Well, I'm not real happy to have to do it. It was in response to a very > active spam-baiting campaign, apparently directed at the Databasix people, > and primarily consisted of lists of addresses with no (or very little) > other text. I doubt this methodology could realistically be applied to > anything else (or that I would consider doing it for anything else). Your solution was undoubtedly more clever than they had counted on. Unless I miss my guess, they were hoping that anything that contained one of their e-mail addresses would get blocked. They did manage to convince Jeff Burchell to do that, at least until he figured out what they were up to and he discontinued his content filtering. I once tried an experiment. I got one of those free e-mail accounts and stuck its e-mail address in the body of a Usenet post that was sent to the same set of NGs that were involved in this "spam baiting". I did this once daily for several weeks and only received one piece of spam. Knowing that, I could have confidently "spam baited" myself, if I wished, without any real consequences. Back when this was all happening, Gary was posting perhaps a dozen messages a day to usenet with his own (unmangled) address in the headers. I doubt that he'd have noticed any difference from having his address included in the BODIES of anonymous posts. Anyone who was going to harvest his address would have already done so from his own posts. > > BTW, is there any evidence to indicate that anyone is really harvesting e-mail > > addresses from the BODIES of Usenet posts? Gary Burnore posts his flames quite > > widely, so it's quite likely that any bulk e-mailing lists he's on is the > > result of his (non-mangled) e-mail address being in the From: line of his own > > posts. > > I really don't know. I do know when the spam-baiting campaign started, the > spam-baiters would also use the remailers to contact the people > spam-baited to let them know they had been spam-baited so they would > complain to us. That's even more evidence that the real target of the spam baiter(s) was the remailers themselves. Why else would you "attack" people, then anonymously warn them of what you'd done? Perhaps that's why the spam baiting reportedly was directed not only at the DataBasix gang, but also at their detractors, such as Ron Guilmette, Scott Dentice, etc. I did notice several non-anonymous Usenet "warnings" going out from Peter Hartley <hartley(a)hartley.on.ca>, the sysadmin of an infamous Canadian domain that provides autoresponders for spammers. He was even "helpful" enough to include several contact addresses for Jeff Burchell and his upstream providers. I'm not sure how/why he was involved, unless the spam baiters managed to push his buttons and sucker him into joining their clandestine anti-remailer campaign. > (There was another set of letters going around claiming to > be pro-remailer, but I was always skeptical that that was the true > intention.) Sounds like a classic, "F.U.D." disinformation campaign like another anti-privacy bunch, the Co$, would engage in. What better way to discredit remailers that to, for example, send out anonymous messages saying "Preserve your rights -- defend remailers!" and making it look like the message came from a member of the KKK, or NAMBLA, or some other unpopular group.

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. Mayonnaise is not only as queer as a three dollar bill, but he is also into having sex with children. ___ <*,*> Timothy C. Mayonnaise [`-'] ' - '

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Mission:Critical and Informal Fallacies
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been writing a gigantic e$ rant, :-), which I haven't done in a while, and so I've left things to pile up in my POP account until I was done. I'm done, and I'm still bashing the (blatant :-)) silliness out of it, and will send it here soon. In the meantime, I wanted to find a quick and dirty list of informal logical fallacies, and, while I was at it, I bumped into Mission:Critical, which is fairly comprenensive website on logic an critical thinking. Evidently you can earn college credit on it, for those of you who need college credit. :-). Here it is. http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/ Also, I've found a reasonable list of informal fallacies, from <http://ddi.digital.net/~setzerl/LOGIC.htm>, (which see for applicable attributions) which I've appended here. That way, you can all keep score at home. Expect me to use a bunch, whether I want to or not... :-). Notice that argumentum ad hominem is when you discount someone's opinion because of who they are or what they do. Vuperative insults, it seems, are another thing altogether. :-). It's a shame that Tim seems to have killfiled me at this point. Usually, I like it, because then I can post stuff here without him tearing me a new asshole very time. This time, since I'm doing the tearing, maybe he's just hiding. Which is fine, because he can run, but he can't hide on this crap anymore... More in a bit, when I get e$pam all caught up. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #1 Fallacies of Oversimplification SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Special Pleading or "During a period of war sales Card-Stacking: Stacks the deck of increase, prices rise, and greater evidence to facilitate a desired profits are made. Therefore wars are outcome. brought about by persons who profit financially from them." Genetic Fallacies: Attempt to reduce the significance of a "Our nation cherishes freedom today, movement or a state of affairs since many of the founders of the merely to a proposed account of republic were men who prized freedom its origins or earliest more than life itself." antecedents. False Cause: Oversimplifies the relevant antecedents of a given "Rome fell because its leaders series of events. quarreled among themselves." False Analogy: Takes two or more objects which are similar in some "Minds, like rivers, can be broad. The ways and makes an unwarranted broader the river, the shallower it inference about the additional is. Therefore, the broader the mind, ways in which such objects could the shallower it is." be similar. Black-and-White Fallacy: Overlooks both gradations and "All politicians are either highly additional alternatives between efficient or completely inept." extreme positions. Accident: Applies a general "If it is wrong to break into a cabin, principle to an exceptional case then a cabin should not entered to without critical examination or save a party from freezing even though regard to context. they are caught in a blizzard." "Since it is permissible for a student Converse Accident: Generalizes to delay handing in his assignment if from an exceptional case to a he is called home on an emergency, it proposed general principle. is permissible for a student to delay handing in an assignment whenever he chooses to do so." "Smith, Jones, and Brown are members Hasty Generalization: Reaches a of labor unions and each of them is generalized conclusion on the interested in gaining the maximum pay basis of too limited a range of with the least amount of work. examples. Therefore, all members of labor unions are interested only in gaining the highest wage for the least work." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #2 Fallacies of Misuse of Appeal to Emotions SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE The Misuse of Appeal to Laughter: "Anyone who accepts the conclusions of Diverts attention from the my opponent would also be forced to central issues and stifles accept the view that the tail wags the serious thought and analysis. dog." The Appeal to Pity (Argumentum Ad "John deserves a 'C' in this class Misericordiam): Replaces relevant since his parents have sacrificed to evidence for a conclusion with a send him to college and he will not bid for the sympathy of an graduate if he receives a lower audience. grade." The Appeal to Reverence: Replaces "We must beware of foreign entangling relevant evidence for a alliances since Washington, the conclusion with a bid for respect founder of our nation, warned us for traditions. against taking such a course of action." The Bandwagon Fallacy: Appeals to an interest in following the "You ought to buy a small European crowd and doing as they do rather sports car as all members of the smart than to adequate evidence crowd now own one of these cars." justifying a conclusion. "I'm sure that you will recognize that The Common-Folks Appeal: Appeals I am more competent than my opponent. to attempts to secure acceptance When I was in high school I had to get of a conclusion by the speaker's up at four-thirty every morning to identification with the everyday deliver papers. In college I was concerns and feelings of an barely able to make C's and had to do audience rather than on the basis janitorial work in order to make ends of adequate evidence. meet to put myself through school. Therefore, I would make a better Congressman." Appeal to the Gallery (Argumentum "As you union members know, I am a Ad Populum): Seeks acceptance of champion of the labor movement, and a point of view by an emotional seek to eliminate exploitation of the reaffirmation of a speaker's common worker by big business. support of values, traditions, Therefore, you know you can trust my interests, prejudices, or judgment when I say that this provincial concerns shared widely agricultural legislation will be good by members of an audience. for the country." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #3 Fallacies of Involved or Complex Assumptions SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Begging the Question (Petitio Principii): Assumes what needs to be "All the events in nature are proven and offers this assumption as determined. Human events are evidence for a conclusion that only part of the events in nature. particularizes the assumption or that Therefore, human events are restates an equivalent form of the determined." original assumption. Arguing in a Circle: Uses a premise as "Democracy is desirable because evidence to establish a conclusion, it promotes freedom of inquiry. and this conclusion is used as But why is freedom of inquiry evidence to establish the original desirable? Because it promotes premise. democracy." Name-Tagging: Assumes the attachment of labels to persons or things "This application is easy to constitute evidence for conclusions use. Look at its label, 'Easy about the objects to which the labels Applicator.'" are applied. "Anything that you say would be Poisoning the Wells: Discredits the influenced by your interest in source of proposed evidence, so that civil rights. You may make your the evidence is ruled out prior to any statement, but we shall know consideration of its merits. beforehand that it will be distorted and unreliable." Complex Question: Assumes or presupposes a certain state of affairs, so that any answer involves "Have you stopped telling lies?" the granting of the assumption. Leading Question: "Plants" a proposed "You do believe that longer answer to a question by the manner in vacations are desirable, do you which the question is asked. not?" Contradictory Assumptions: Attempts to make two or more contradictory "What would happen if an assumptions, thus violating the irresistible force met an Aristotelian rule of "either-or." immovable object?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #4 Fallacies of Imprecision in the Use of Language SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE The Misuse of Vague "You claim that you believe in free Expressions: Occurs if a enterprise, yet you accept socialistic conclusion not justified by practices of government like the War on evidence is attributable to Poverty and Medicare. The American way the misinterpretation of a of life has never endorsed a policy of vague expression. providing something for nothing." The Fallacy of Simple Ambiguity: Results from an effort to establish a "We cannot expect John to come since he conclusion by interpreting a said, 'Nothing will deter me from statement in a manner not coming.'" justified by the context. The Fallacy of Equivocation: "Everything subject to law is subject to Changes or shifts the meaning a lawgiver. The natural order is subject of a key expression in the to a law. Therefore, the natural order middle of an argument. is subject to a lawgiver." The Fallacy of Amphibole: Occurs if a conclusion not "No cat has nine tails. Any cat has one justified by evidence is based more tail than no cat. Therefore, any upon ambiguity attributed to cat has ten tails." the syntax of a sentence. The Fallacy of Ambiguity of Significance: Occurs in the "A period of higher unemployment is drawing of an improper developing, since there was a one conclusion by percent increase in the rate of misinterpretation of the unemployment in January." significance of a statement. A theme was returned to a student with The Fallacy of Accent: Occurs the notation, "Some parts of this theme when improper emphasis is are good and other parts interesting. placed upon a word, phrase, or The interesting parts are inaccurate and a sentence and on this basis a the good parts were copied." The student conclusion is inferred. wrote his parents, "The grader wrote that my theme was 'good' and 'interesting.'" The Fallacy of Division: "Since surgeons have spent many years in Infers that the property of an perfecting appendectomies, Dr. James organized whole also Doe, the new surgeon in our town, has characterizes the parts of the spent many years in perfecting his whole. technique in performing appendectomies." The Fallacy of Composition: "Since the members of this team are the Infers that the qualities or best players of their respective characteristics of parts of a positions in the conference, a team whole must also characterize composed of these players would be the the whole itself. best team in the conference." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slick Maneuver Identification Table #5 Fallacies of Irrelevance SLICK MANEUVER EXAMPLE Fallacies Misusing Appeals to Authoritative Sources: Support a conclusion by appeals to "Man must be immortal because this documents, generally held belief has tended to be present in beliefs, or the opinions of such widely differing societies in well-known persons that are not highly divergent circumstances over particularly germane or qualified such a long span of history." to deal with the point at issue. The Appeal to Force (Argumentum "You should accept the view that our Ad Baculum): Substitutes force or protection society can strengthen the the threat of its use for sales of your product. Otherwise you rational evidence in the support might find that your machinery has of a conclusion. been damaged and that your labor troubles increase." The Appeal to the Man (Argumentum Ad Hominem): Seeks to prove a "The statement of this witness cannot conclusion false by attacking the be accepted as reliable, since he character, reputation, participated in a protest associations, or social demonstration against the United situations of the person States' foreign policy when he was a proposing it. student in college." The Argument from Intimidation: Asserts arbitrarily that a person's idea is false and then uses the assertion as proof of "John asserts that no man is his that person's immorality. This brother's keeper. This is a false fallacy was identified by Ayn idea. Therefore, John is immoral." Rand in The Virtue of Selfishness. The Appeal to Ignorance (Argumentum Ad Ignorantium): Advances the position that if one "Since you cannot disprove that there conclusion in an argument cannot are flying saucers, you should accept be established convincingly, then as reliable the reports of those the opposing view can be claiming to have seen such objects." accepted. "Any high school graduate should be The Fallacy of an Irrelevant admitted to any university supported Conclusion or of "Missing the by taxes in his state, since he Point of the Evidence" (Ignoratio should be assured of all privileges Elenchi): Stresses factors that of citizenship guaranteed to him by may support a conclusion other the Constitution, his family also than the one proposed. pays taxes in that particular state, and he can get a better job if he is a graduate of a university." The Argumentative Leap (Non Sequitur): Jumps to a conclusion "The electoral college is subject to with no immediate basis for extreme criticism. Therefore, drawing the proposed conclusion presidential candidates should be provided internally within the nominated by popular votes rather argument. than by political conventions." Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc (After This, Therefore Because of This): Suggests that because one event "John had a cold. John took large follows another, the former must doses of vitamin C. The cold have caused the latter, without subsided. Therefore, the large doses showing a causal link. This of vitamin C caused the cold to fallacy was identified by Frank subside." R. Wallace in The Neo-Tech Discovery. ----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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17 Dec '03

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