December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of explosives will tell you > that two tons of ammonium nitrate, sixty feet from the base > of a tall, reinforced concrete and steel building, will not do > very much more than break lots of windows. You see, ammonium > nitrate is a low velocity explosive compound useful for moving > dirt. A brissance, or shattering effect, on steel and/or > reinforced concrete requires an explosive compound with much > greater explosive velocity.... C-4, several types of commercial > blasting gelatin, even TNT. Speed may be important for efficiency, but don't discount brute force. A sufficiently powerful bulldozer moving at .1 mph could knock down those exposed support columns out front. Likewise a sufficiently strong ammonium nitrate blast can do it. Once the columns fall, the whole front of the building will collapse. Columns like this are built to withstand compressive force from above. Strength against side impact is not the principle design goal. > If you observed the news footage of the Murray Federal Building > after the blast, you may have noticed that the damage was > configured in a semi-cylindrical fashion, rather than the conic > section which would have resulted from a ground placed charge of > sufficient strength. A semi-cylinder IS a conic section. What you may have meant is that the blast should have carved out a spherical section of the building. But of course, once the lower floors are destroyed, the upper floors collapse. So a roughly cylindrical section is exactly what you would expect. > Consider that the placement of the array of charges necessary to > simultaneously shatter several dozen large bearing members in the > building would have required several hours for a well trained > demolition team, not to mention unlimited access to the building > after hours. And you're saying the government did this, when nobody was looking. > Seismographs recorded TWO impacts that day, several minutes apart. This is total bullshit. This fact alone shows that the poster hasn't done his research. Besides, it doesn't make sense. What was supposed to be the purpose of the two blasts? What was supposed to be happening during the "several minutes" between the two blasts? Wouldn't you think people would get out of the building after the first blast? Why didn't any of the survivors report two blasts? What this is, is a garbling of a report of a nearby seismometer showing two ground waves a few SECONDS apart. This can be explained by the building taking a few seconds to collapse. It could be a seismological artifact as well, an echo from a deeper rock stratum. You'd need to get an expert seismologist to analyze the trace. A real expert, not the bogus "explosives expert" who supposedly wrote this. > 6) McVeigh pulled an Oswald. Quit crediting him with success. The idea that McVeigh is intentionally taking the fall for this is a real reach. First, where is his reward? He's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. What is his motivation for not talking, and for getting involved in this in the first place? Also, much testimony has established that McVeigh was deeply affected by the Waco killings, as were many of us. Such a person would not have wanted to cooperate with the government. You have to assume that he was just pretending to be upset by Waco, that this conspiracy goes back for years. Now you've got Nichols involved, and he has to be convinced not to reveal the truth, either. Fortier was involved in the planning, as was his wife. It's a totally unmanageable situation. At least with the Oswald story, they killed the guy who could have spilled the beans. With McVeigh, he or his buddies could talk at any time. It's all speculation built upon improbability. Anybody who believes this stuff is an idiot.

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RE: CIA - Some Questions
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, In response to your upcoming questions, I have prepared the following materials: > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in assassinations? No. Executive Order No. 12333 explicitly prohibits the Central Intelligence Agency from engaging, either directly or indirectly, in assassinations. Interna oversight process assure compliance. > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in drug trafficking? No. In fact, the Central Intelligence Agency assists the US Government effort t providing intelligence information to the Drug Enforcement Administration, the the State Department. Regards, J Smith (Esq).

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Re: I have something to say.
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)nsm.htp.org wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:28:02 GMT gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. > Burnore) wrote: > > >On 15 Nov 1997 04:21:40 -0800, rfg(a)monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) wrote: > > > >: In article <64ajuv$r9(a)newspeer2.dearborn.agis.net>, > >: Harold <harold(a)agis.net> wrote: > >: >I am taking back the statement I made. Not everyone here is pathetic. > >: > >: Gee! That's mighty white of you. > > > >Again with the bigoted, racist remarks, eh? > > > Poor sorry asshole netscum Gary L. Burnore, <gburnore@databasix> <gburnore(a)netcom.com>. > Just can't get over making substantially less money than Ron. > Why the hell don't you layoff Guilmette and get a fucking life for yourself. > Haven't you done enough damage to him and anonymous remailers you fucking piece of shit. > > <cue netscum gburnore lame response> Yeah, but poor Ron doesn't have a criminal arrest record like Gary does, despite Gary Burnore's unproven accusations, "big lie" campaign, crank calls to the FBI, etc. Gary's charges get more and more fanciful. Did you read the one where he accused Ron of abusing some "teenage girl" at DataBasix. Not a shred of evidence for his lies, of course. Fortunately for him, Netcom harbors net abusers and Gary had to suddenly leave California for North Carolina after his arrest in San Francisco. And there's his faithful sidekick, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, who's now posting with this forged line in her headers: > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. This is the same looney maroon netcop who whined when somebody started posting a URL from the AIDS Action League advocating a boycott of Gary Burnore's ex-employer, Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco. And then Gary has the nerve to call someone "racist" and "bigoted"? These two net abusers richly deserve their NetScum pages: http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/burnorg0.html http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/bryanb0.html --

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Re: A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To buttress suggestions for simulating the OKC bombing, here's an SAIC press release of August 1997 on a training program for disaster handling: SAIC AND TEEX TO PROVIDE ANTI-TERRORISM TRAINING TO FIRST RESPONDERS (MCLEAN, VA) Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) has signed an agreement with the Texas Engineering Extension Service (TEEX) to prepare civilian emergency responders for possible terrorist events. Under the agreement, SAIC and its teaming partners will provide training to firefighters and other first response personnel in the latest technologies for addressing chemical and biological terrorism. As the leader of the team, TEEX will hold training classes at Texas A&M University's Emergency Response Training Field at College Station, Texas, where firefighters and rescue workers will train in virtual reality simulators on the effects of chemical and biological weapons. TEEX, which is a member of the Texas A&M University System, annually provides training to 129,000 individuals and last year provided fire, rescue and hazardous materials training nationally and internationally to more than 28,000 responders. "The United States has been fortunate in that it has not had a successful terrorist attack perpetrated against it using biological or chemical agents," said G. Kemble Bennett, TEEX's CEO who oversees the 120-acre Brayton Fire Training Field. "However, experts agree that it is only a matter of time." "As a leader in chemical and biological warfare agent accident, response and assistance training for military and civilian emergency response agencies, SAIC can offer expert guidance to responders," said William L. Chadsey, senior vice president at SAIC. "Our company has provided emergency planning and consultative services to personnel and public service organizations worldwide." In September, U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) is expected to introduce a bill in Congress to designate the training field at Texas A&M and its facilities as The National Training Center for Urban Search and Rescue. The new center is expected to feature building collapse simulators and a facility dubbed "Disaster City" to prepare responders to handle earthquakes and bombings in addition to chemical and biological agents. If approved, Rep. Weldon¹s bill also is likely to facilitate the release of information from Bechtel Nevada at the Nevada Test Site about the handling of nuclear materials. Speaking at the signing ceremony, Fire Chief Gary Marrs of Oklahoma City, Okla., said, "The first responders in our communities, and specifically our firefighters, are tasked to respond and make a difference when disasters occur. Until the training and equipment, utilizing the latest in technology, get down to the street level, we put our responders at an extreme disadvantage and endanger their lives. I am encouraged to see these types of cooperative efforts make this training and technology available to the men and women of the fire service who protect our cities daily." Marrs, who managed the fire and rescue mission at the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, chairs the Urban Search and Rescue Committee for the International Association of Fire Chiefs located in Fairfax, Va. http://www.saic.com/publications/news/aug97/news08-06-97.html

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Pepper Sprays/ Personal Security Products
by ascan8506＠msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri confessed: >Above Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) You bet, that secret org is well-known among CU pick-up artists as a swell place to pick up socks ... well, more than that and sudden death's your next shock.

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Fight CDA 2...?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seems to me that the fundamental question that should be asked here is: Does the 10th require strict compliance with the wording of the Constitution per the first sentence of the 10th or explain specificaly what Constitutional sentences are being used to justify the 10th and by extension the entire Constitution itself being exempt of mandatory constitutional review at all stages of a laws life. This is perhaps the key question that needs to be asked in order to properly understand the language of the Constitution. Viewed in the light of strict compliance the wording of the Constitution becomes remarkably free of ambiguity. If the 10th is taken literaly it can only be interpreted as saying: - The federal government is required to justify all its rules, regulations, and offical actions within the explicit context of the text of the Constitution. - In situations where there is no clear ruling the issue is remanded to the states for resolution per their own individual constitutions. Or in cases where the state constitution would not apply to the people. - "to the people" needs to be interpreted as meaning to be left to individual discretion and therefore fundamentaly exempt from review at the state or federal level. - This is the level a behaviour or action becomes a Constitutionaly recognized right exempt from future regulation per the 9th. - The above interpretations are open to change per the methods described for Constitutional Amendments. - "Congress shall make no law..." & "shall not be infringed." become much clearer and less open to federal level inteference. Some of the results of this would be: - The entire 'Drug War' machine would grind to a halt - Many people in jail on solely drug possession and use charges with no other jailable charge would be released immediatly - NASA would require some sort of Constitutional amendment to continue to operate - The interaction and use between the US military and the state and local level regarding law enforcement would cease immediately - CDC would require Constitutional amendment funding - Issues of what is and what is not 'legal' speech would be resolved at the state level. - Confiscation of property without compensation would be completely abandoned. - The recognition that police have no fundamental rights under the Constitution because it in no way draws a distinction between polic & a non-police citizen. Laws can not draw distinction of this sort at the federal level. - Each and every search *must* be at the direct interaction of a magistrate *and* must explicity describe what is being searched for *and further* demonstrate probable cause within a much more precise environment. - The recognition that laws based on the distinction of 'victimless' and 'victim' crimes is a distinction that can't be drawn at the Constitutional level. - A action or behaviour is either protected or it isn't. This would create a set of states with quite a range of constitutional environments. I can just see the "Mormon State of Utah" where the official constitutional religion is Mormonism by amendment. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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about RC4
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Meaning of course, when Patrick Henry... --- Oops, Thomas Paine, sorry, >transposed my patriots there -- first stood up to be counted, he did it with >a pseudonym. Think how difficult it must have been to publish a pseudonymous writing back in their day. And compare how easy it is now. With a basic Internet connection and some software I can post this message under the name Nerthus, and anyone who took the time to save my public key in their keyring can verify with almost complete certainty that "Nerthus" wrote this. But as we progress on some fronts, we digress on others. The tools which can empower the individual are readily available, but the individual is quickly becoming an automaton, a shell of the man he used to be. "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death." -- Patrick Henry What is life without liberty? Abject slavery. Any sane man would rather die than be a slave. But what is this slavery? It is the state in which we live our lives. More often than not, our oppressors are our own selves: our fears, our imaginings, our hatred. Everyone does this: the "right-wing-gun-nut" who detests the actions of the BATF, the Christian zealot who detests the pro-abortion crusaders/ Zoroastrians/creationists/NWO types, the IRS agent who detests the "tax protestors", the treehugger who detests the corporate greed/profit machine that is destroying the planet... I could go on but I think you get my point. Injustice happens everyday. The next time you find yourself at Burger King stuffing yourself with greasy slop, think of the millions of people in Africa who are slowly starving to death. Injustice, yes, but what are you going to do about it? Anything? The fact is you can't do anything, even if you wanted to. And because of that we all become reactionary, angered, resentful, violent. We perpetuate the disintegration of mankind, of ourselves. No people in their right mind should bow down and lick the boots of their oppressors. But neither should they kill them either. The intelligent action is to show the oppressors the errors in their ways. Every human being, even our "enemies" have a mind that is not completely devoid of reason. The sooner we show them a better way of living, the sooner we can move toward it. Then the possibility for an end to the injustices that surround us becomes more available. I leave you with a quote to ponder: "My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." Any idea who the pinko-liberal, NWO cocksucker was that said this? It was Thomas Paine in his book "Rights of Man". Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGpu6eFWwZe05jcJAQGd5Qf/bvcqrugd+FFqBiM89nZeWmUhgAkT0Blq 3IXIkxDNp3+rPYX8dsqp0cD+nHEf7fDrgmxS6+/oHFMnN+p2fC0m1UdD1bl3AgiD lbyjTXtg688ezf4km/MXRNFKtRxbqaOewdf4TVgReLnVkB3ITPzKZb81N4PQHnR8 W0esKslh6AQSDVPlR0r+UIdMawXzNKR75KVaLRhTw7GXV0GvoZh5Ckz1xd2ZDvz+ q/MjTXDTZI5u5Ta2EKcfh0Vcs8Yy7tYv8yRY0zKS0NhorsBhIGrXA5aF5aaxrDTX rWRHaZPRSd5Fm9rKKTJM+D/KVa2wxszP+bWrqusRryY0MN8AW/qZ3w== =NPUD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cyclic codes
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May's 16Kb brain's single convolution is directly wired to his rectum for input and his T1 mouth for output. That's 16K bits, not bytes. Anal intercourse has caused extensive brain damage. o_, o <\__, v|> Timothy May | < \

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Blanc wrote: >By jove, I think I've "got" it - there *is* something deeper going on >here: > >Tim is really an undercover 'narc' - through his provocative remarks >he's actually encouraging all the violent terrorists on the list to >come out of their lurking holes and reveal themselves. Then he's >going to turn them all in for a cash reward, which he'll use to buy >more high-tech stock. > >Yeah, that's it! While Blanc is only joking, I want to take this opportunity to comment on the Find The Mole game. Moles look just like everyone else. Speculation on who is actually a provocateur or an informant or a saboteur or whatever only has the purpose of creating unhappiness and undermining anything worthwhile that is going on. It is likely that there are informants lurking amongst the cypherpunks. The secret police watch and infiltrate far less interesting groups, and this one has received more than its share of publicity. (In a couple of decades we'll probably learn who they were. Hopefully things will work out in such a way that this will be worth a good laugh.) The right thing to do is to assume there are a certain number of moles around and engineer your activities accordingly. If you really think you can Find The Mole, then I would think your first step is to keep quiet about what you are doing. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGoqdpaWtjSmRH/5AQHNhQf9Gc8d8gK/7tiYhMe9eo4BQt5QpW93xfR6 x1Ti+XIZcpQ4Y0YZvklghLHBHJcIywYrf0vM+fYtxfUrG+FWMzD8QPKE/w8x/SI9 eoHIr8GWAnuKEBKnv3aUpHnV9jqTKtcU5/0APQ/nGCAnxzl3Y9/ZAKDwoSVFS9vI gjw0YihR6FKg+Qv7J0lPBgrBWWvQla5sM8kkaWdv8lKIqMtbXu9XeXiIZd8/FlIC WNj8R5WEOXF333A10cWiRhPqRJP9YevXH7NMFSnv9BpUfyeTlD1dKklTfjumSqwq eY+RSmsTzM1OlBzw2NbxmXbahg3mFVYBu8QDPPcu8kwHcMldAsmx+Q== =Eoqh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Laws Controlling Speech
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >What I said was that the judge(s) in the Paladin case had committed a >capital crime. Saying, for example, that OJ committed a capital crime >is not uncommon, so why should judges be exempt from similar >opinions? Laws prohibiting speech are notoriously difficult to define and to enforce impartially. They quickly evolve into a blank check for the authorities. (Note that even if these laws didn't have this property, Monty Cantsin would oppose them.) OJ is fair game because the authorities would like to see him in prison. The judge is not fair game because he is a judge and this is a list with a bad attitude. The wonderful thing about language is that it is infinitely malleable. You could write a play in which a prominent character was a bear. Sounds harmless, right? In 1969 in Czechoslovakia, this is how people wrote unfriendly plays about the Russians. Child porn is notoriously difficult to define. A few years ago there was a case in which a convicted child pornographer or molester (my memory fails) was paroled.(1.) One of the conditions was that he was not to have any child pornography. Later, he was found with a videotape of children in bathing suits and his parole was revoked. The children were not involved with any sexual acts, however, the judge decided that the motion of the camera was overly suggestive. A few years ago I saw an ad for soap in which cute little girls were cast in the roles that lovely adult women usually play. To most people, this was an amusing and even charming advertisement. But, were similar footage found in the hands of a child molester there would be serious legal consequences. Pornography in general is not so hard to define. If the material in question is enjoyed by working class people and is inexpensive to purchase, then it is pornography. If the material is enjoyed by wealthy or "cultured" people, hangs in a museum, and would be expensive to purchase, then for the most part it is Art and not pornography. Let's take Michelangelo. Here is an artist who seldom portrays women. (I know of no instance, actually.) When the image of a woman was unavoidable to the work, he used male models anyway. (The Sibyls in the Sistine Chapel are a good example.) It is quite obvious that a large proportion of his work is, in fact, homoerotic in nature. Yet, it has been promoted for centuries because it was primarily enjoyed by ruling elites. For that matter, consider the centuries long fascination with images of Christ and the Saints undergoing various tortures. Clearly homoerotic in many cases and juxtaposing images of pain and death with sex. Remove the religious imagery, and anybody found painting or possessing such work will generally be relegated to the fringes of society. When speech is regulated, the meaning of the speech is defined by whether the speaker is in favor with the authorities. This is well understood by the people who propose and pass these laws. Their intention is not only to suppress bad ideas, but to liberate the government from the annoying inconvenience of obeying the law, most especially (but not exclusively) with regard to the government's political opponents. And, as we all know, this issue is particularly insidious when it comes to laws prohibiting free encrypted speech. The art of steganography has reached the point where anything can be "shown" to be a secret message of some kind. Should it be decided to truly enforce these laws, it will be done by letting the cops off the leash to do whatever they please to whomever they like. (1. Why we parole child molesters so we can imprison drug users is beyond me. It has every appearance of complete insanity on the part of the authorities. Or, I suppose, it could mean they don't really care about kids in spite of all their talk on the subject.) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGqXXpaWtjSmRH/5AQFhMwf9FU/DU9+iMtflw+CZ0XW3enz+FdC14DzI GD+SIUPm3aBO+MJQHh1ScWNb2ShWVWxMCycHOcKyUhYpAvH2d/oqz6/2Feq2Aw8E 0Oxcg0djy5zri1nZtwTW7QQ2qGOfKyUq+2qJFX3aFFxAMjE2yT5uwvwBRNucPwYC zR40/b5oMJEndp47KUTjnCfbCFmwG2vHZe+3hM6vfm+07zcaRUOJsMgGjsAkTi4I /Rtg4Bxd7L+3AVs8k+ZpJoN7A9ipoOvWGUeXH+s+uwWhS62PtC9DY29sg5f4mG+j qxtCNg14TjfIEiaqjcW3/jm9rk/gFhBiT8f24Aseof2v+T+g0qI5Iw== =zihd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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"Son of CDA" Ignores Supreme Court Ruling, ACLU Says
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:40:23 -0500 (EST) From: Emilyaclu(a)aol.com To: Emilyaclu(a)aol.com Subject: "Son of CDA" Ignores Supreme Court Ruling, ACLU Says ACLU Says New Internet Censorship Statute Ignores Landmark Supreme Court Ruling FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Thursday, November 13, 1997 Contact: Emily Whitfield, (212) 549-2566 WASHINGTON--New legislation aimed at banning online material deemed "harmful to minors" would run roughshod over the landmark Supreme Court decision affirming free speech on the Internet, the American Civil Liberties Union said today. The ACLU, which led the successful battle to defeat the unconstitutional Communications Decency Act (CDA), said S. 1482, like the CDA, would restrict adults from accessing constitutionally protected speech. The bill was introduced earlier this week by Sen. Dan Coats, R-IN, an original sponsor of the ill-fated CDA. Under the statute, commercial online distributors of material deemed "harmful to minors" could be punished with up to six months in jail and a $50,000 fine. The definition could include the virtual bookstore amazon.com or a promotional site for a Hollywood movie, as well as Internet Service Providers (ISPs) such as Microsoft and America Online, the ACLU said. And unlike the CDA, the statute applies only to web sites, not to chat rooms, e-mail or news groups. "By claiming that the bill addresses only web sites involved in commercial distribution, Senator Coats says he is hunting with a rifle,' but in fact, he has lobbed another virtual grenade into the heart of the Internet" said Ann Beeson, an ACLU National Staff Attorney and member of the legal team that defeated the CDA. Any business merely displaying material without first requiring a credit card or other proof of age could be found liable under the statute, which criminalizes commercial distribution of words or images that could be deemed "harmful to minors," even if no actual sale is involved, Beeson said. "This is the equivalent of having to pay a fee every time you want to browse in the bookstore or watch a trailer for an R-rated movie," Beeson said. "As the Supreme Court noted in its landmark decision, requiring a credit card or other age verification would impose a severe financial and logistical burden, even on commercial websites." The ACLU said there were serious constitutional problems as well with the bill's definition of "harmful to minors." In addition to using a vague definition of what constitutes "harmful material," the bill does not make any distinction between material that may be harmful to a six-year-old but valuable for a 16-year-old, such as safer-sex information, said Chris Hansen, an ACLU Senior Staff Attorney and member of the Reno v. ACLU legal team. Further, Hansen pointed out, unlike other "harmful to minors" statutes that have been upheld in the courts, the bill does not define whose community standard will be used to determine what material is harmful. "Invariably, those who decide what is harmful to a minor are going to be the least tolerant members of a given community -- such as the group in Oklahoma who sought to remove the award-winning film The Tin Drum' from local libraries and video stores," Hansen said. The Supreme Court's landmark decision striking down the CDA was issued on June 26 of this year, 16 months after the law was enacted and the ACLU filed its challenge. In a ringing affirmation of online free speech, the Court said that the interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.' "While we rejoiced in the Supreme Court's decision last June, we knew that the battle was not yet over," said Solange Bitol, legislative counsel on First Amendment issues for the ACLU's Washington National Office. "When Congress returns to session in the New Year, we will be ready for Round Two in the battle to protect our free speech rights." -endit-

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RE: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob Hettinga wrote: >Frankly, waving your Glock at the local sherriff and daring him to come >shoot you out of der MayBunker is not just free speech, it's, charitably, >grandstanding. Making a threat on the life of a judge, or even begging for >Washington to be nuked -- something you can't possibly do yourself -- is in >the same catagory of "will someone rid me of this priest", or "but that >would be wrong", or the Castro assination exhortations which inspired Oswald >to kill JFK. In this country, it's all free speech, but that doesn't keep >you from getting impaled, "accidentally" or otherwise, on the pointy end of >the state, or public opinion, when you piss it off. I think you are falling into the "map _is_ the territory" mistake here, Bob. Tim is just speaking his mind, lucidly and forcefully as usual. (The same way you do, which is why I enjoy reading both your posts so much, although your prose styles differ so greatly.) Tim isn't "waving your Glock at the local sherriff" -- he is talking about his actions if law enforcement decides to violate the Constitution personally upon him. Although it is certainly the case that all rights, at their boundaries, may be observed more in the breech, I don't think the situation is so bad _yet_ that Tim has to lay awake nights worrying about a no-knock. Tim, I guess I see you as someone who has spotted a bunch of thunderclouds on the horizon, so you have decided to stock up on raingear before the deluge. But, with a little luck and a lot of common sense on the part of the populace, neither Tim nor anyone else will have to go through that particular hell. As one additional datapoint, when our local "FAX Daily" (a daily FAXed paper) took a poll on GAK, 66% were against government access to keys (and "FAX Daily" is aimed at the general population). (I have this suspicion that California is more likely to develop "thunderclouds on the horizon" that don't turn into local storms, due to the greater concentration of Democratic Party members there -- Indiana, as a Republican state, certainly sees a lot of posturing about family values and such, but with Republican anti-government rhetoric, it is hard for Republicans to push too hard for the massive increases of government regulation that would be required to actually enforce family values by governmental fiat.) Tim, from what I understand of what he said, is just getting prepared if the worst comes. One of the functions of this list as I see it is just this sort of preparation, which can often stave off the actual worst. If those who would desire this sort of power over the population are made aware that the population won't stand for it, they are less likely to continue to seek that level of power. To close with a quote that I think (from my Midwest perception of the situation) describes best how the near-term will actually work out: "There's no way the federal government could oppress the citizens, because the populace is armed to the teeth, and the officials would just get their heads blown off." -- James Madison argues the pro-government position, Federalist Papers #46 ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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cypherpunks - passing mention [FYI] [sci-fi]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Informational/Entertainment content only: Minimal crypto relevance but in Allen Steele's book Tranquillity Alternative (ISBN 0-441-00433-4) which concerns a alternate-history of the space program there is mention of 'cypherpunks' made in reference to cracking double-key encrypted passwords on Le Matrix. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > --Tim May This illustrates what a liability the poster has become to the cypherpunks. The group is becoming just another militia front, identified with racism and white supremacy, applauding violent murder of government agents, one step from applauding the Oklahoma killings. Its original purpose all but forgotten, the list has died, poisoned by the hatred flowing from its leader.

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > > At any rate, the upshot of his argument was that there are often > > attempts to ensure freedom, but in reality it can only be assured > > through its exercise. > If you lived here you'd be home now? Please. Don't you feel more like you do now than you did earlier? Footfault

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Find the Mole in the Mirror
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin wrote: >The right thing to do is to assume there are a certain number of moles >around and engineer your activities accordingly. If you really think >you can Find The Mole, then I would think your first step is to keep >quiet about what you are doing. Like, if you will, Monty Cantsin, the venerable generic pseudonym for sub rosa strategems. You fingering yourselves, Monty? If you haven't been IDed as a mole here yet, you will, probably by your own woefully engineered statements. All of us are moles for one ideology or another, maybe for several if the blowing wind tosses us that way. What's the point of being here if not for relishment of deceitful faux combat, to draw out the enemy (enemies) as Tim and Bob admirably display in their artful allure of ulterior motivated peacemakers and condescendors, me for one, as Declan love jousts CDT, as many us pisswind DC, NWO, ZOG, Armenians, Nipponese. A mole is a disguise of something more treacherously insidious than that, say, a rational human, a benevolent mediator, an advocate for peace, for justice, for the constitution, or another an unadmitted plot for no-work supremacy through criminal law (lawful crime). The mole(s) here are known, look in the mirror, and marked by the beast, look closely in the mirror, for XORing, their coming in all conceivable disguises welcomed, then tricked, attacked, ridiculed, and finally filtered, erased, deleted, plonked, censored, to resub pseudonymously, rebooted, zapped, ignored, still we-they come back for more S&M, it's an addictive calling to evangelism, anon-remailer generic pseudonym reputation-capital real and imagined Ritalin nirvana. Nothing better to do with wasted lives, the option of getting one is a dream long gone. Faking one is all that's left, the mole in the hole.

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Re: Hyperlinks case settles at door of court
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > >The Shetland Times case has been settled - links will be permitted with > >certain conditions > >See http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/headline/97nov/settled/settled.html > And it was even settled reasonably, and without setting new bad UK case law. People acting reasonably and settling their differences without resorting to promoting strict new laws enforced by armed agents of the government? The end of the world _really_is_ drawing close, isn't it? [That wasn't an earthquake...that was the people in Hell, beginning to shiver, from the cold.] BrrrrMonger > (For those who don't remember the case, the Shetland News and > Shetland Times are Scottish newspapers with web pages. > The News was linking from its page to some of the Times's stories > without pointing out that the stories were in their competitor's paper, > and the Times sued them. In the settlement they agree that the > News may link to the Times's pages, and that they'll only do so > with visible indications that they're doing so.) > Thanks! > Bill > Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com > Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Fwd: Set Phasers to Stun.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:52 -0500 From: glen(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Cc: bostic(a)bsdi.com Subject: Set Phasers to Stun. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:48 -0500 Sender: glen(a)shell.ncm.com Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/2463 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Mark Stewart <mark(a)ps.cus.umist.ac.uk> Forwarded-by: DarkTrick <dan(a)coromir.demon.co.uk> 1 NS 01 Nov 97 SET PHASERS TO SHOCK . . . (358) By PAUL GUINNESSY Real life is catching up with Star Trek. Hans Eric Herr from San Diego,California, has been granted a patent for a 'phaser' that uses laser light to stun or kill. Crude stun weapons called tasers are already available in the US. The weapons fire two small darts attached to a wire. A pulsing electrical current passes down the wire and stuns the victim by 'tetanisation'. The pulses make the muscles of the victim contract in unison, rendering them helpless. The disadvantages of tasers are that they can only be fired once before they have to be reloaded. They are also classified as firearms because they fire projectiles. One attempt to overcome the limitations of tasers uses a stream of liquid that hits a victim with a 10 000-volt charge. This causes painful muscle spasms in the victim. But the liquid can split into droplets, breaking the electrical connection, and is hard to aim. Herr's invention uses lasers to generate intense beams of ultraviolet light. These create a path of ionised air down which precisely modulated electrical current is sent. The currents can be manipulated to cause painful contractions, stun a victim painlessly, or induce a heart attack. It has a far longer range than the taser-over 100 metres-and the beam can penetrate clothing. The phaser can also fire many shots before it needs reloading. Using ultraviolet light avoids legal restrictions on weapons that blind with laser light, since it would take several minutes to damage the retina with the wavelength of light used by the device. A hand-held version of the phaser is not yet available because the argon-fluoride discharge-pumped excimer laser it uses is as big as a kitchen table. Herr is hoping that others will find ways to make his device smaller and more powerful, as well as improve its range. He says that any technically competent person would be able to build a phaser. Steve Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, says: 'At first glance it seems incredible, and rather disturbing.' New Scientist Volume 156. Issue 2106. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Weapons on the Web, and mention of remailers
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is from http://techweb.cmp.com/ng/online/current/specials/guns/guns2.htm Lots of misinformation and disinformation. Perfectly legal items are referred to as "banned." Scare tactics about silenced machine guns, sniper rifles, and even "speed loaders to load all of the cylinders of a revolver at once" (horrors! does the author know that every gun store I've ever been in sells these things for about $6 each?). One quote even refers to "our" technologies: "It might seem that the contents of rec.guns alone could be easily monitored for illegal transactions. However, my sources have shown me that with the availability of anonymous remailers and several sources of digital cash, it is increasingly possible for seller and buyer to never know who the other party is or where they are." (This of course is nonsense, about the digital cash, etc. If one exchanges an item in physical space, at least for now there is some mailing or shipping nexus. (Anonymous drops in storage lockers are a possibility, though ripe for stings.) Certainly I have never heard of a digital cash transaction for a gun...and not for a lot of other things, either.) In view of the Paladin case, the Feinstein "bomb-making instructions ban," and calls to shut down gun shows, this article may give some tips on coming actions. And the plans for the Federal Trade Commission and Food and Drug Administration to start cruising the Web looking for illegal speech also provides a clue. Personally, I'm beginning to think --Tim May --begin quote-- Threaded Chat The rec.guns group is a bit like a combination of Town Hall and Market Square in Firearms Land. People sound off about government regulations, at any level, in any locale. Disgruntled users warn others about substandard products. New members ask advice and old hands compare notes on match grade ammunition. Once I saw an advisory posted to all people who had bought surplus East German ammunition. This writer had acquired an old East German technical manual that showed the exact chemical composition of the propellant charges in their bullets. It included a warning that after 5 years, the charges could chemically degrade and become subject to misfires or dud rounds, a useful thing to know about if you happen to be holding some of said ammunition, certainly. There are also quite a lot of messages on rec.guns on the best legal way to buy a gun online (decidedly not the procedure followed by Z and many others). But rec.guns is also a marketplace: long banana clip magazines (usually 30-40 shot magazines for semiautomatic rifles that were banned under the Assault Rifle ban; of course, all these are advertised as being manufactured "pre-ban"), speed loaders to load all of the cylinders of a revolver at once, equipment for hand-loading one's own ammunition, and, of course, guns: revolvers, semiautomatic pistols, rifles, shotguns, and others. One night while writing this article I saw a Galil for sale. The Galil is an Israeli-made assault rifle, rated as one of the best in the world. On an earlier visit I saw an ad for quantities of Dragunovs. The Dragunov was the standard issue sniper rifle for the Red Army. In the hands of a sharpshooter, such a gun can be accurate to within inches at ranges out to 2/3 of a mile. And given the present state of the economy in Russia, we are likely to see more, not less, of any of the standard Russian weapons, Dragunovs and others. It might seem that the contents of rec.guns alone could be easily monitored for illegal transactions. However, my sources have shown me that with the availability of anonymous remailers and several sources of digital cash, it is increasingly possible for seller and buyer to never know who the other party is or where they are. That becomes even more of a concern on the World Wide Web, where, just as all other forms of advocacy and commerce are flourishing, so are firearms advocacy and sales. The NRA is online; everyone knows their position. At Sniper Country/Extreme Shooting Sports, the motto is "happiness is a confirmed kill," and you can learn all about famous and infamous snipers. At Shootin' Stuff you can read comparisons of handguns for home or self defense use, including the Makarov 9mm, the sidearm once issued only to officers in the Red Army. You can even download images of slugs being fired from a stationary rifle held in a vise. If this puts you in a buying mood, you can travel over to Stokes's Firearms Enthusiasts' Web Magazine, where a graphic of a silenced submachine gun greets you. When I first went to this site earlier this year, it was open and anyone could peruse the ads and offerings; now, however, a password is required. For those who lack patience or don't want yet another net password, there are sites that offer immediate access to their ads. The Champion Firearms Home Page, Guncraft Sports Web Pages, and the Electronic Gun Shop are all open for business now. They offer, variously, revolvers, semiautomatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns. It must be emphasized that there is nothing illegal about any online gun commerce; there are existing laws and regulations that do cover the situation. But when UPS, however unknowingly, delivers 9mm pistols, it is clear that ignoring the existing rules is accomplished rather easily online, a point that applies for any other sort of online commerce, whether presently regulated by law or not. ... --end excerpt---

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John Young, stegonym
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Most pseudonym users cope with the possibility that Mallet will hate what they say by ensuring that he can't figure out their True Name. JY is the next step-- Mallet can't figure out what he is saying, or if it is serious, so J remains safe. Z P.S. Sorry to blow your cover, there, John... P.P.S. Of course "True Name" is a confusing, abused concept. There are three possible ideas-- (A): given a name "N", people can map from N to your physical body, thus exposing you to the risk of extortion, assassination, etc., or (B): given an individual "I", people can find a name "M" such that they are sure I is the brain directly behind M. Alternately, (C): given a name "O" and a name "P", people can be sure that the brain directly behind O is not also the brain directly behind P. Both N and M and occasionally are sometimes thought of as "True Names". (B) and (C) can sometimes be desirable, but unfortunately most implementations of (B) and/or (C) imply (A). (A) is never desirable. P.P.P.S. TCM is the opposite (regressive?)-- he goes out of his way to give a clear impression, to Mallet as well as to friends and strangers, that he is dangerous, violent, racist, homophobic, bigoted, emotionally disturbed, and irrational. We know better, but unfortunately not everyone is so perceptive. P.P.P.P.S. I know TCM likes discussing the True Name concepts when he is in a good mood, but I hereby promise not to give him the satisfaction of conversation until he writes 100 times on the blackboard "I am not a threat to myself, my neighbors, or the authorities.".

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NSAscape
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Mad as Hell
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:23 am -0500 on 11/13/97, Tim May wrote: > >:-). Actually, Tim, I don't think it's dangerous, at least to me > >personally, and to anyone else on this list, for that matter. What I said > >was, you're counterproductive to your own cause (you could become a poster > >for statism, as I said before), and, if you continued to directly threaten > >the lives of people who had the power to hurt you, in public, with direct > > You have now repeated this "Tim has directly threatened the life of a > federal judge" charge several times. > > This is false. Well, I certainly used two forms of the word 'direct', right there in black and white, didn't I? And, having just watched Nat Hentoff say on TV that a threat would be something where you specified the time and place of some kind of violence against a person, maybe your saying something like, > But in many ways, this is good news. The war is coming faster than I > thought. > > The judge in this case has committed a capital crime. was *not* a threat against a judge? Right, Tim, if you say so. I expect that, in the legal, Hentoff sense, it's not a threat. After all, you didn't specify a date and time, and you didn't even say you, personally, were going to do anything at all. However, it's probably more than enough reason for someone with too may kevlar coats back in the office closet to trump something up and force a confrontation with you, just like they did with Bell. Well, no. Bell's arrest was just a byproduct of his car's siezure, like they said in the papers, wasn't it? Nonetheless, it's well within conception that, since everyone's breaking the law somehow, that something you're doing or have done would be used to cause a percipitating event, which you yourself say you would respond to with force. Astoundingly, it also seems like you're *trying* to create a confrontation. You seem to dare to them to do something so that you can meet them at the door, Mossberg in hand. "Please don't throw me in that briar patch", in other words. For instance, just last night, you said, > And the rumors are mounting about a series of possible raids around the > holidays this Thanksgiving Day. The FBI has acknowledge the fax sent out as > legitimate. > > While militia members and Cypherpunks may not be able to withstand a full > out war for very long, the mere willingness to defend oneself can itself > act as a deterrent. This is basic game theory, basic strategy. It sounds an awful lot like Fort Apache, Corrolitos, to me, Tim. > You claim I am doing "the cause" a disservice. Well, your "cause", whatever it is, certainly. I'm not sure, for instance, that holing yourself up behind a steel-reinforced door with lots of fun firepower is doing much for the spread of strong cryptography, I'll grant you that... > I claim you are spreading > misinformation and trumping up a charge which you must hope is being read > by the Feds. Right. And when Thanksgiving day comes, Tim, and the no-knock doesn't happen, or, even more interesting, nothing happens anywhere on Thanksgiving day, what are you going to say about my "misinformation" attack, then? That it "failed"? Remarkable. You win no matter what, right? Prove to me that there is no conspiracy? Or flying saucers, or whatever else? :-). Frankly, Tim, I don't think the Feds really care about you, or anything you've done, to date. Or at least they wouldn't, if you weren't, like the forest knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, daring them to hack off another limb all the time. It seems to me that, before this little interchange we've been in, where someone finally stood up and said that the emperor had no clothes (at least as far as kevlar outerware and the global conspiracy to destroy the American Way is concerned) you would have continued to try to bait the federales, imaginary or not, with inflamatory trolls like those above, apparently in the hope that you could force a showdown with them. Hell, maybe you'll actually make it happen, someday. I guess I won't be surprised when it does. Or particularly care, even, given your vitriolic reception the mirror in your face. > You sicken me. Um, well... Take a pill, maybe? Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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[OB: CRYTO] Re: about RC4
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Anderson wrote: > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > Because they couldn't speak a non-native language perfectly? No...because they couldn't speak a 'Native' language perfectly. Cherokee! WagonBurner

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