December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:45 AM 11/24/97 -0500, Jon Galt wrote: >> >> Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of >> >> committing a crime. >(Galt) >> >And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not? >(Frieden) >> It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in >> the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than >> his own. >I don't dispute this. If a "crime" is defined as whatever the >politicos/bureaucrats/hoodlums say it is, then a "crime" is certainly >being committed. (Of course there is another definition of crime.) Actually there are the courts who write their own law by intuition protected by life tenure. >(Galt) >> >The >> >politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think >> >they have the right to run the lives of everybody else. >(Frieden) >> The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are >> pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of >> the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty. >"If voting could change anything, it would have been outlawed long ago." >Not strictly true. But if I vote or don't vote...well it's just about >the same difference as whether I buy a lottery ticket or not. >Don't vote - it only ENCOURAGES them! There has been a suggestion to outlaw political parties. Once outlawed solicitations and organizations could be criminalized. More practically, the ultimate objective if to find a way to prohibit politicians from being involved in any that can yield a profit. Force they to stick to the "thou shalt nots." Never let them get into areas where compliance with the law can yield a profit. "For only from profits can come campaign contributions." >> That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and >> return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. >Citizenship, Schmitizenship. Granted I don't want to renounce my >citizenship - at least not at the moment. But the whole game of riling >up people's emotions about "citizenship" and "patriotism" is just a bread >and circuses ruse to keep us focused on something other than what the >professional control freaks are doing to us. But certainly any professed citizen acting in a manner other than the pure self interest of the US be sent elsewhere. Or as RAH suggested, voting should not be matter of age and breathing only. >(Galt) >> >Again I ask the question: >> >What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a >> >map and control people's travel across that line? >> The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. >The people who made handgun ownership a felony should be sent down a dark >alley without any means of self-defense. Perhaps they would gain a small >glimmer of understanding of the real issues - unless they already >understand that they are the hoodlums around the corner in the dark >alley. In that case.... Anyone involved in the illegal drug business and in his right mind does everything he can to assure that his drugs remain illegal. That includes encouraging every manner of condemnation of drugs even if only inviting the simpletons to give their anti-drug speech for a hefty honorarium. >> Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just >> the intended consequences. >Lawmakers can hardly be held responsible for tying their own shoes! I >suspect you had your satire mode on full when you wrote this. I have often suspected this is the alternate reality created by a satirist. Nothing can really be as absurd of this. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07:15 PM 11/25/97 -0800, Christian Goetze wrote: >At 09:04 PM 11/25/97 -0500, Glenn Hauman wrote: ... >>Hold it-- are you suggesting that the DOJ is being restrained in going >>after Microsoft? By who? >I suppose that the slant was more like this: either Microsoft pays up and >gets a restrained treatment from the DOJ or else... Well, Gates has given bucks to the gungrabbing campaign, one of the issues Slick has not waffled on... JMR [I'm not on c-punks, please cc any replies to me.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNHvS1TUhsGSn1j2pAQHFMAfQr1IEMqUVlWnzljI+GQIjm0QSLVGQiM+x JK/X0PZuqGxp+ilAlE/6MPoXGMBccRvKIeUdYpegZyTMUkbBv7D+aAVaXHotAYgA vravGwUYlxkKpUzP3+jWfkNT07BvaxHLD9uue7/nDa9RYXQx+FHjlRvfFzas3oC9 1Uw04XH2cfAri0laHGu3L2UxYH3dsuyZC6BLQUIOUnSYSkOZfROm/C/bPjz6w+m4 ZK+HCPnqU0mas27GJ8pfyHO//ikjaJJ5r+ruBbEIfzp1KaFTPBgzhESiypua4siN X9KYLW9PY6m17Zn9lbnqoCs9SyLF/ZATf0sob5+w7V3eHw== =tk7P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Open Letter from ClickZ Publisher
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 AM 11/25/1997 -0000, some flamer using lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > For further info on Gary's arrest, visit: > http://www.e-media.com/cm/sac.html >First off, it eventually became "a ticket actually" because it was plea >bargained down to that. That's one of the advantages of committing a >"politically correct" offense in a city like Frisco. The San Francisco >Police Department presumably doesn't take people into custody and impound >their vehicles for mere traffic tickets. The SFPD _was_ arresting several hundred people that night and impounding their bicycles for what might normally have been traffic tickets, though many of the arrests were for "failure to disperse" -- Mayor Willie Brown had been taking enough PR heat for the Critical Mass bicycle rides, and decided he had to "do something". All but a few of the arrestees were out in a few hours, with at most traffic tickets, and got their bikes back the next day (the city DA had to keep reminding Da Mayor that he couldn't legally just confiscate them.) I wasn't on the same block as Burnore, so I don't know if he was being personally obnoxious when he got busted, or was one of the many who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Not that Critical Mass isn't somewhat confrontational :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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The Databasix gang (Paul Pomes @ Qualcomm) is now harrassing the bureau42 remailer
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Pomes is one of the least intelligent members of the Databasix gang. He's been harrassing Jeff B.'s upstreams and employers with false complaints at the same time Gary Burnore, Belinda Bryant, and the rest of the Databasix gang did, eventually killing the huge cajones remailer. Now they're after on bureau42. For some reason Pomes slipped and cc'd me one his false complaints (even though he was ordered not to send me any more e-mail). I ask everyone to a) complain about Paul Pomes to Qualcomm, his employer b) discuss what we can do to protect bureau42 from Databasix harrassment Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zelkova.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10389; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Pomes <ppomes(a)Qualcomm.com> Organization: Qualcomm, Inc. Subject: More spam from vulis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <10385.880512741.1(a)zelkova.qualcomm.com> To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com, remailer-admin(a)bureau42.ml.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:25 -0800 Message-Id: <10387.880512745(a)zelkova.qualcomm.com> Sender: ppomes(a)Qualcomm.com A mis-edit of my killfile let the following gem from Dimi Vulis through. FYI /pbp ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Received: from warlock.qualcomm.com (warlock.qualcomm.com [129.46.52.129]) by zelkova.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10273 for <ppomes(a)zelkova.qualcomm.com>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from moria.qualcomm.com (qualcomm.com [192.35.156.11]) by warlock.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.13) with ESMTP id SAA19074 for <ppomes(a)Qualcomm.com>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [206.170.114.2]) by moria.qualcomm.com with ESMTP id SAA19347 for <ppomes(a)Qualcomm.com>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA07735 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA07459 for cypherpunks(a)infonex.com; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rigel.cyberpass.net (root(a)rigel.infonex.com [206.170.114.3]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07440 for <cpunks(a)sirius.infonex.com>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:52:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by rigel.cyberpass.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10626 for <cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03665 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from corsica.shorelink.com (mail(a)corsica.shorelink.com [207.155.180.7]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03660 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp by corsica.shorelink.com with local-rmail (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaQss-0008Rq-00 (Debian); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:42:58 -0800 Received: (from remailer@localhost) by bureau42.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27483; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:47:01 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:47:01 GMT Message-ID: <EPtLawOnbaoGUl8PvUSglw==(a)bureau42.ml.org> From: bureau42 Anonymous Remailer <nobody(a)bureau42.ml.org> Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <remailer-admin(a)bureau42.ml.org>. To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bureau42 Anonymous Remailer <nobody(a)bureau42.ml.org> X-List: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Content-Type: text Content-Length: 206 May Timothy C[ocksucker] Maya's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. /~~~\ {-O^O-} Timothy C[ocksucker] Maya \ o / (-) ------- End of Forwarded Message

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official CyberCash response
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: cme(a)cybercash.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:37:14 -0500 To: rah(a)shipwright.com From: Carl Ellison <cme(a)cybercash.com> Subject: official CyberCash response Cc: cme(a)cybercash.com Mime-Version: 1.0 If you know of any lists where the message appeared but the official response didn't, you're welcome to post the following. - Carl -------------------------------------------- [The following should appear in its entirety if it's printed at all.] The following message appeared on the net. From: Anonymous <anon(a)ANON.EFGA.ORG> Subject: Major security flaw in Cybercash 2.1.2 To: BUGTRAQ(a)NETSPACE.ORG CyberCash v. 2.1.2 has a major security flaw that causes all credit card information processed by the server to be logged in a file with world-readable permissions. This security flaw exists in the default CyberCash installation and configuration. The flaw is a result of not being able to turn off debugging. Setting the "DEBUG" flag to "0" in the configuration files simply has no effect on the operation of the server. In CyberCash's server, when the "DEBUG" flag is on, the contents of all credit card transactions are written to a log file (named "Debug.log" by default). The easiest workaround I've found is to simply delete the existing Debug.log file. In my experience with the Solaris release, the CyberCash software does not create this file at start time when the DEBUG flag is set to 0. The inability to turn off debugging is noted on CyberCash's web site under "Known Limitations". The fact that credit card numbers are stored in the clear, in a world readable file, is not. We have taken this quite seriously and have put through a full release of our software which will be available Monday 11/24 for three platforms and others shortly thereafter. The flaw was in the debug logging function, not in the protocols or core implementation. Nonetheless, the effect was an unnecessary exposure of potentially sensitive information, and it shouldn't have gone out the door that way. We're tightening our internal processes to avoid this in the future. That said, here's the actual exposure. The credit card information that's in the clear in the log comes from "merchant-initiated" transactions, which means the merchant obtains the credit card number from somewhere -- phone, mail, fax, SSL-protected Internet interaction, or unprotected Internet interaction. The merchant thus has the same info in the clear already. If the card number was provided via a wallet, then the card number is blinded at the consumer's end. It is therefore not in the clear as it passes through the merchant's machine and the reported exposure does not apply.. In order for the unprotected log to pose a risk of exposure, someone has to be able to gain access to the merchant's machine. If the machine is well protected, viz behind a firewall and/or carefully configured, presumably an outsider won't be able to gain access. And in terms of the *additional* exposure the open log represents over existing risks, if the same information is accessible in the clear elsewhere on the machine, eliminating from the log or encrypting the log provides little or no real protection. We continue to advise merchants to take strong steps to protect their machines. To our knowledge, the exposure documented above has not resulted in the actual loss of any customer data or other security incident. ---------------------------------- Steve Crocker Desk: +1 703 716 5214 CyberCash, Inc. Main: +1 703 620 4200 2100 Reston Parkway Fax: +1 703 620 4215 Reston, VA 20191 crocker(a)cybercash.com --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Leviathan Dying
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:21:05 -0800 to: misesmail(a)colossus.net from: news(a)mises.org subject: Leviathan Dying Sender: owner-misesmail(a)colossus.net Precedence: Bulk "The Future of Liberty" is the title of a feature piece in VITAL SPEECHES OF THE DAY (November 15, 1997) by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. "The leviathan state, that monster devouring civilization in this century, is in the throes of death," says Rockwell. "This is not a wish or a prediction, but a conclusion drawn from a broad look at the trends of the last decade and a half, which, if we take the right steps, can continue on into the next century. What has happened around the world--nation states collapsing, markets outwitting planners, citizens rising up against government masters--can and is happening here at home." The speech is from the 15th anniversary conference of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Rockwell--head of the Institute--explains that in our times, we are witnessing the development of something more radical and far reaching than mere "limitation of government"; the very idea of institutionalized and centralized state power is under fire. The primary catalysts for this trend are the end of the Cold War, the increasing global resentment of the U.S. imperium, and the rise of new information technologies. All that's left in their wake is the reality of Washington as a parasite, which is how government is increasingly regarded in the late nineties. Rockwell spells out the implications of this and foresees a future of liberty, conditioned on intellectuals being willing, in the tradition of Mises and Rothbard, to take the right steps in leading the way. VITAL SPEECHES is widely indexed. Also in this issue are speeches by Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Suggested Reading...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Case Against The Global Economy: and for a turn toward the local ed. J. Mander, E. Goldsmith ISBN 0-87156-865-9 $16.00 A collection of 43 essays discussing the consequences and alternatives to unitary global economy. The homogoneity of such a system is seen as counter-productive to the long-term human condition. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Freedom Forum First Amendment conference (12/16/97)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:33:05 -0500 From: Paul McMasters <pmcmasters(a)freedomforum.org> Subject: First Amendment Conference The Freedom Forum is sponsoring a major conference on the First Amendment on December 16 in Arlington, Va. We will be releasing Donna Demac's "State of the First Amendment" report and a landmark public opinion survey on the First Amendment. In addition, there will be presentations by leading authorities on violence in the media, hate speech, pornography, flag desecration, television, the Internet, videos, the press, art, and religion. If you would like more details and directions for signing up (there is no charge), please go to my web page at: http://www.freedomforum.org/first/1997/11/20famdcon.asp Here it is in a nutshell: Who: Everyone concerned about the First Amendment What: State of the First Amendment conference Where: The Freedom Forum World Center, Arlington, Va. When: Tuesday, December 16, from 8:30 a.m. until 5:30 p.m. Why: Release of a major report, "State of the First Amendment," and a landmark national survey of public attitudes toward the First Amendment How: Just check our web site for details and directions The catch: There is none. No charge. Good food. Good conversation. First-rate speakers. Dynamite program. Contact: Paul McMasters, 703-284-3511, or: pmcmasters(a)freedomforum.org

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Cato Institute request for policy papers on encryption
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:18:33 -0500 From: Solveig Singleton <solveig(a)cato.org> Subject: Request for short policy papers Cato Institute's progam for information studies (that is, privacy and crypto) is interested in receiving proposals for **short** policy papers (five to thirty pages) on different aspects of the encryption debate. In particular, I am interested in detailed, well-argued but concise papers addressing the following: * The costs (narrowly conceived) of mandatory key recovery: OMB has one estimate with no particular empirical support beyond the assertions of national security folks. We are interested in cost estimates that move the debate forward in being based on something more concrete and reliable than what has been offered thus far--so, we won't need years of carefully calibrated econometric data (which just isn't there)--but we do want something more than speculation. * Also needed, a short paper illustrating the impact of the export control regime on experimental software or hardware ventures. What are the costs of the regulatory process in time and money, from the standpoint of the developer? Anecdotes welcome. * I would also like to do a paper on the uses of encryption in combatting human rights violations worldwide, again replete with examples and anecdotes... * and A short paper on the ease of evading export controls--detailing the ease with which encryption programs can be homemade, purchased from foreign sources, etc.; * and a short paper on the strength of U.S. assertions that other countries are likely to go along with U.S. attempts to foist mandatory key escrow upon everyone by international agreement. Please contact me if you are interested. Solveig Singleton (202) 789-5274 (202) 842-3490 (fax) Director of Information Studies Cato Institute 1000 Mass. Ave. NW Washington, DC 20001

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Newsletter Internetwk: InternetWeek Newsletter - Nov. 25
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Newsletter Internetwk: InternetWeek Newsletter - Nov. 25 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:01:13 -0500 From: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj(a)harvee.billerica.ma.us> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj(a)harvee.billerica.ma.us> ------- Forwarded Message That Ain't No Standard Spec It looks like SET may have run out of breath before even leaving the starting gate. Despite a dogged insistence by its sponsors that the 6-month-old Secure Electronic Transactions specification is essential to the growth of Internet commerce, the technology's creators cannot point to one operational deployment. And with good reason, apparently. The two main beneficiaries of the technology--merchants and banks--say the technology is severely flawed. They say compliance with the spec does not guarantee compatibility across vendor implementations. They further charge that SET is too complex to integrate cleanly with legacy transaction systems. In short, they say, the standard is not a standard at all. "It's an enormously complex technology that's flawed from the bottom up," according to Aberdeen Group analyst Chris Stevens. "The only people who are interested in it are the credit card associations, analysts, the press, Hewlett- Packard and IBM." Two of SET's inventors, Hewlett-Packard's VeriFone division and IBM, all but admitted SET's shortcomings earlier this month when they announced a program to ensure that their SET 1.0-enabled products are interoperable. The results will be published in a reference guide for developers. But SET products are supposed to be interoperable by definition, according to the published spec. Other features of the spec are confidentiality of information, integrity of data, card holder account authentication and merchant authentication. The preliminary 0.0 version of the spec has been extended to February of next year so retailers can work with a more tested version through the Christmas season. Version 2.0 is already in the works for release late next year. As a result of the glitches, the sponsors of the initiative, mainly the credit card issuers and E-commerce software vendors, are loosening their definition of a standard. "In the SET 1.0 specification, we tried to be as precise as possible, but any specification is open to interpretation," said Steve Mott, MasterCard's senior vice president for E-commerce. "The marketplace will determine if it's a standard." Mott acknowledged that the root of SET's troubles is its complexity. SET relies on a three-tier architecture-the client wallet, the merchant server and the gateway to processing banks. Not only does each tier have to exchange transaction data, but it must be able to do so with software developed by different vendors. Moreover, as a certificate-based system, SET requires the management of digital certificates for millions of merchants and consumers. All of this has left the banking industry holding the ball. "There are a lot of operational issues left unresolved, like the problem of integrating SET and a new level of certificate information with the banks' legacy systems," said Stephanie Denny, until recently the vice president and director of marketing for Bank of America's credit card unit. By Matthew Friedman http://techweb.cmp.com/internetwk/news/news1124-1.htm ************************* - ------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1997 CMP Media Inc. a service of InternetWeek. - ------------------------------------------------------- Distributed by Email Publishing Inc. - http://www.emailpub.com ------- End of Forwarded Message For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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RE:: [NTSEC] - cheap tempest solution (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:50:10 -0500 From: "Stout, William" <StoutW(a)pios.com> To: "'ntsecurity(a)iss.net'" <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC RE: [NTSEC] - cheap tempest solution > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Lebrun [SMTP:tlebrun@internetmci.com] > > This may be a stupid question, but what is tempest monitoring? And > what kind of information can you get from doing it? Ooh, ooh, something I was trained in once. Tempest protection is the ability to prevent undesirable signals from escaping a computer system. In the old days, electro-mechanical teletypes were used by the military. Someone discovered that placing a signal analyzer on the power feed shows what character is represented by each signal spike. Automating the translation gives you a mirror output of each message someplace else. Electrical filters (not just transformers which can pass these signals) prevent this. Present day keyboards and mice also radiate signals, readable even though the device is within the FCC part 15 class A or B device signal emanation restrictions. Both tube-type and LCD displays are big transmitters, and can be read by receivers connected to similarly phased displays. The receivers can be in a nearby building, van, plane or satellite. Makes you think twice when typing PGP messages or 'accidentally' hitting a 'can be used against you' newsgroup. Search for 'Van Eck' for more data. Physical metallic shielding (and thorough testing) fixes this. Network wires and equipment are also major radio transmitters, metallic types are readable from a distance, and of course networks can be directly tapped, even glass fiber. (It's been found in military environments, a simple wire was surreptitiously stretched above a ceiling, and which would act as a retransmitter.) All cables are guilty of transmitting readable signals if not properly shielded and filtered. Van Eck/tempest exploiting devices are used in the military/spy/wire-fraud/'drug war' business and in both government sponsored and private corporate espionage. Don't confuse EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) protection with Tempest, since EMP is a high-energy pulse (such as created by a nuclear burst) that generates a high-voltage electrical pulse in both plugged in and off-line electronic equipment, and typically frys all unshielded electronics. Same effect as a power surge, but affects all circuits, even parts sitting on shelves. HERF guns do the same thing. Damn. I'm also guilty of contributing to the noise and 'firewalls-list' demise of NTsecurity list. Bill Stout

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Re: FCPUNX:Internet Casinos
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:49 PM 11/26/1997 -0500, Sal Denaro wrote: >If you can't see the tables, how do you know the games aren't rigged? There's a lot of cryptography work addressing this problem, with variants like "Mental poker". You can do things like have the participants each - pick a random number, - share the hash of their numbers with each other, - then share the random numbers with the casino - then XOR everybody's random numbers together to feed the casino's card shuffler - play the game, lose the money - casino reveals its random number - everybody compares hashes to verify that it was honest >And do they offer Wayne Newton over streaming Video? I'm sure that can be arranged :-) > What about free drinks? By Fedex. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Student Writer Harrassed by SS
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- Secret Service agents searched the apartment of a University of California student newspaper columnist who wrote a satirical attack on Chelsea Clinton, the writer says. Guy Branum, a columnist for the Daily Californian, said agents searched his off-campus apartment Monday, the same day Chelsea Clinton's mother, Hillary Rodham Clinton, visited the university for a meeting on foster care. Chelsea Clinton is a freshman at rival Stanford University. The Secret Service office in San Jose refused to comment or confirm Branum's account. A White House spokeswoman also would not comment. The agents checked for weapons, Branum said Tuesday. They also had him sign a release giving them access to his medical records, he said. ``They wanted to make sure there wasn't anything that would demonstrate mental instability on my part,'' he said. ``No pictures of Chelsea with X's through them or something like that.'' He said he gave two agents permission for the search after they threatened to detain him while getting a search warrant if he didn't. Branum said his column, which appeared Thursday, was meant to be satirical. It was intended to rally spirit before the UC-Stanford football game. In the column, Branum revealed which dormitory Chelsea lives in and wrote: ``Show your spirit on Chelsea's bloodied carcass, because as the Stanford Daily (newspaper) lets us know, she is JUST ANOTHER STUDENT.'' ``She embodies the Stanford ethos of establishment worship that must be subverted and destroyed,'' the column continued. ``Is hate a strong word? Yes. Is it applicable? Certainly.'' The newspaper apologized Friday for undermining a ``student's physical safety'' and its own reputation. Stanford went on to beat UC, 21-20, in Saturday's game. Branum said the agents who searched his apartment lectured him about the column and about a previous column in which he referred to the president as ``Sexual Predator in Chief.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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US Air Force IPSEC Requirements
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Boyter, Brian A." <boyter(a)afiwc01.af.mil> To: "'ipsec(a)tis.com'" <ipsec(a)tis.com> Subject: US Air Force IPSEC Requirements Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:03:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ipsec(a)ex.tis.com Precedence: bulk First, I would like to introduce myself... My name is Brian Boyter, I'm a Senior Consulting Engineer with the Computer Sciences Corp, and I am under contract to the US Air Force Information Warfare Center in San Antonio, Texas, working on USAF computer security... The USAF is evaluating the use of IPSEC products to help secure its unclassified networks... These unclas networks are used to communicate with contractors, and to process financial, logistic, personnel, and medical data... The IPSEC would be used to protect the data from unauthorized viewing and to protect the networks and computers from hackers... Our goal is to eventually IPSEC encrypt all unclassified computer communications end-to-end... The USAF recently completed a hasty evaluation of several IPSEC products... Most products would work fine for a small organization, but do not scale to an enterprise the size of the USAF (500,000 computers)... Here is a short list of basic USAF requirements which we found lacking in the current IPSEC products: 1. The Department of Defense will soon deploy a Public Key Infrastructure (PKI)... The IPSEC products need to use this existing PKI (not require a separate keying product)... 2. The USAF uses HP OpenView as its standard SNMP management product... Error logging and other IPSEC status information needs to interoperate with OpenView... 3. The USAF needs to be able to manage the IPSEC security policy sanely... An example of a USAF IPSEC security policy might be: "all USAF computers can talk to all other USAF computers using DES, all other computers it talks in-the-clear"... It will not be possible to manage 500,000 different rule sets... The security policy must be made simple... We need the X.500 equivalent of *.mil, *.af.mil, *.lackland.af.mil, and *.hospital.*.af.mil so that we can generate rule sets using these wild cards... I don't think rules based on IP addresses will work either... I'm not including interoperability in the above list because the ANX has done a good job of making that requirement visible.... What I'm trying to point out is two things: 1. The IPSEC products need to re-use as much of our existing infrastructure as possible (for example PKI, SNMP, etc)... If the USAF were a small company that didn't have a large infrastructure investment already, it wouldn't be an issue... But if each IPSEC product requires a management console at each air force base, then that can add up to millions of dollars, thousands of man hours, training costs, etc... 2. I'm also trying to point out that there is no standard (that I can find) for representing, storing, or disseminating the security policy.... Although these are Air Force requirements, I'm sure the same requirements will exist for any large enterprise contemplating the use of IPSEC products... I plan to be at the IETF meeting in December and will be glad to speak to anyone about these issues... Perhaps an IPSEC security policy BOF could even be arranged??? Thanks, Brian Boyter boyter(a)afiwc01.af.mil (210)977-3113 --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Quoting Portions of a Signed Document
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/26/97 5:15 AM, Bill Stewart (stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com) passed this wisdom: >But then Geiger brings out the other important point: >>Then what does the sub signature really tell you? Yes you can >>verify that the quote was written by someone but it may be taken >>completely out of context. How about when several blocks of text >>from different messages are combined. Each individual block checks >>out but by combining them the text has a completely different >>meaning than the original document. I haven't been follwing this thread that closely, but skimming mch of it and then rereading this whole post, I must concur that the context issue renders much of the discussion moot unless you can not only relate individual sub-blocks to the whole message it came from in the proper order ... it seems to me we are right back where we started, quoting referenced message(s) in entirety. It occurrs to me that if an issue is important enough that the veracity and autheticity of a given passage is that critical, including entire messages is of trivial concern. Now it could be handled by the discussion participant quoting out of context and 'footnoting' his quote with a message ID. The message corresponding to that ID has its entire text is signed and publicly stored and accessible. If it needs to be checked then go check it, if not take it on faith and read on. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHyqacdZgC62U/gIEQK1cwCeNcgPSOPbXkzORDzB2lZsspiVoHIAoM8z MSxwS/JTthmm6T+mIzlqzcOn =2vlT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." -- author unknown

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Re: BXA denies my administrative appeal
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: blacklodge.c2.net: majordom set sender to owner-cryptography(a)c2.org using -f Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:05:53 -0500 Comments: This message was remailed by a pseudonymous server. The operators have no way to determine the original sender. To contact the operator, write to <admin(a)anon.efga.org>. From: Miles Vorkosigan <miles_w(a)anon.efga.org> Subject: Re: BXA denies my administrative appeal Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net To: undisclosed-recipients:; In message <v03007800b09f865249e2(a)[172.17.1.150]>, Rick Smith writes: > > I recently spoke informally with a couple of sub-Cabinet level officials on > crypto policy. Their comments indicated that the FBI et al are dominating > internal meetings on the subject with the same polarizing rhetoric they're > using in Congress. One official said that he was accused of intentionally > aiding terrorists at one of these meetings. During a recent application for crypto export approval, which should have been routine, we were contacted by an individual from the *FBI* (not from BXA) who refused our export license because we didn't have a key recovery system *in place now*. This is despite the facts that: - the export license was to use our strong cryptography products for communications between our international sales offices and head office; this used to be a rubber-stamp license, and - we are in the process of implementing key recovery technology as part of a a seperate export approval for our DES-56 products. I couldn't even get an answer as to why the FBI had jurisdiction over our export approval. -- Miles --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Hayek Manufactures Freedom...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:18:41 -0500 Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Greg Ransom <Gregransom(a)AOL.COM> Subject: HAYEKWEB: J Powel on _The Road to Serfdom_ To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >> Hayek on the Web << "The Road to Serfdom Inside story of a 50-year phenomenon" (by Jim Powell, July 1994), on the Web at: http://www.lfb.org/fa7139.html >From "The Road to Serfdom Inside story of a 50-year phenomenon" by Jim Powell: "This year, much has been written about F.A. Hayek's enormously influential classic, _The Road to Serfdom_. But until now, no one has reported the inside story of how a few devoted friends of freedom helped get the book published in America, despite overwhelming hostility from publishers and the media. "Friedrich A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom," political science professor Herman Finer fumed in 1946, reflecting collectivist orthodoxy of the time, "constitutes the most inopportune offensive against democracy to emerge from a democratic country for many decades." No doubt about it, _The Road to Serfdom_ was explosively controversial from the beginning, especially his case that all forms of collectivism lead to tyranny. The book was first published a half-century ago in Britain by Routledge, March 1944. Nobel Prize winning economist Ronald Coase recalls that during Britain's July 1945 parliamentary election campaign Winston Churchill cited Hayek in his dramatic campaign speeches, to help show that a Labor Party win would mean tyranny. Labor Party leader Clement Atlee ridiculed Hayek and defeated Churchill. Soon afterwards, Atlee began seizing coal, steel, railroads and other businesses .... Opposition to Hayek's ideas was fierce in the United States, and a number of publishers rejected the book. But there were friends of freedom who worked wonders. Hayek authorized fellow Austrian economist Fritz Machlup, then working in Washington, to try to find an American publisher, but he was unsuccessful. He gave a copy of the Routledge page proofs to University of Chicago economics professor Aaron Director who met Hayek in 1943 when both were teaching at the London School of Economics. Director passed the page proofs to Frank Knight, founding father of the "Chicago School." Knight apparently gave them to William T. Couch, a classical liberal friend at the University of Chicago Press which agreed to publish the book on September 18, 1944. But since nobody expected it would sell many copies, the initial printing was only 2,000. It was a little wartime edition about 4-7/8ths by 6-3/4 inches. To help the book gain a hearing, the publishers asked John Chamberlain, respected book editor for Harper's magazine and a devout libertarian, to write a foreword. His name appeared prominently on the cover. The initial reception was cool. On September 20, 1944, New York Times daily book reviewer Orville Prescott called it a "sad and angry little book." But then New York Times economics editorial writer Henry Hazlitt weighed in with a home run: a 1,500 word blockbuster review on the front page of the Sunday New York Times Book Review, September 24, 1944. Hazlitt declared that "Friedrich Hayek has written one of the most important books of our generation." The University of Chicago Press ordered another printing. The book sold 22,000 copies by year-end and sold this much again by spring 1945. Meanwhile, Reader's Digest editors DeWitt and Lila Acheson Wallace expressed interest in publishing an excerpt from the book, and the University of Chicago Press, eager to reach a popular audience, seems to have given away those rights for nothingHayek later remarked he never got a penny. In any case, The Road to Serfdom filled the first 20 pages of the April 1945 Reader's Digest under a banner headline drawn from Hazlitt's review: "One of the Most Important Books of Our Generation." This brought Hayek's story to about 8 million people in the U.S. alone. Subsequently, Book-of-the-Month Club distributed some 600,000 copies of a condensed edition. Sales records are incomplete, but there were a good many more printings after that, and the book eventually sold at least 230,000 copies in the U.S. Hayek went on a U.S. lecture tour, including prestigious places like Harvard University, and he decided he rather liked being a lightning rod for freedom. He expressed his views in popular publications like the Chicago Sun, Boston Traveler and New York Times Magazine. He met many friends of freedom with whom he was to collaborate in later years. Three dozen friends joined him to found the international Mont Pelerin Society. ... Today people around the world appreciate Hayek's profound truths which seemed so shocking half-century ago. We at Laissez Faire are proud to help distribute it in several dozen countries ... Contents: Introduction 1. The Abandoned Road 2. The Great Utopia 3. Individualism and Collectivism 4. The "Inevitability" of Planning 5. Planning and Democracy 6. Planning and the Rule of Law 7. Economic Control and Totalitarianism 8. Who, Whom? 9. Security and Freedom 10. Why the Worst Get on Top 11. The End of Truth 12. The Socialist Roots of Naziism 13. The Totalitarians in Our Midst 14. Material Conditions and Ideal Ends 15. The Prospects of International Order 16. Conclusion FA7139W The Road to Serfdom (paperback) 248p. $10.95" Hayek on the Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. >> END << --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Laissez Faire Books - Hayek catalogue
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:09:27 -0500 Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Greg Ransom <Gregransom(a)AOL.COM> Subject: HAYEKWEB: Laissez Faire Books - Hayek catalogue To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >> Hayek on the Web << Laissez Faire Books -- Books by or about F. A. Hayek, on the web at: http://www.lfb.org/hayek.html >From the section 'F. A. Hayek': "THE ROAD TO SERFDOM by F.A. Hayek The classic warning of the dangers of government interventionism, it shows why state planning always undermines both political and economic freedom. It had a tremendous influence in the years after World War II. FA7139W The Road to Serfdom (paperback) 248p. $10.95 THE ESSENCE OF HAYEK edited by Chiaki Nichiyama and Kurt Leube How can a busy reader get a handle on such a prolific mind as that of F.A. Hayek? Here is a selection of essays representing the full range of his thought, drawn by two eminent Hayek scholars from the full body of his published writings. FA0118W The Essence of Hayek (paperback) 419p. $22.95 THE ECONOMICS OF FRIEDRICH HAYEK by G.R. Steele (St. Martin's Press, 1993/revised 1996) If one were to read only one book about Hayek, this should be it. Rather than criticizing Hayek's work, Steele aims to present an account of Hayek's work that is both comprehensive and concise. In this aim the author succeeds most admirably Karen I. Vaughn, Journal of Economic Literature FA7117W The Economics of F.A. Hayek (hardcover) 262p. $19.95 HAYEK AND AFTER Hayekian Liberalism as a Research Programme by Jeremy Shearmur Shearmur, who worked with philosopher Karl Popper and now teaches at the Australian National University, chronicles Hayek's amazing intellectual journey. He excels at describing how Hayek's ideas evolved over the years, talking about the striking transition from Hayek's early writings to his later writings on legal issues, the conflicts between Hayek's utilitarian views and his moral imperative for liberty, and he offers insightful comments about how Hayek grew more conservative in some ways, more libertarian in others. FA7060W Hayek and After (hardcover) 257p. Published at $65.00 LF PRICE ONLY $24.95 HAYEK ON HAYEK edited by Stephen Kresge and Leif Wenar Hayek himself tells the story of his long and controversial career through previously unpublished autobiographical notes and interviews. "The appeal of Hayek on Hayek, I readily admit, is all the gossip in it. Of course, since much of it is old gossip, and about famous people, it qualifies as history. But it is not the kind of history professors dole out to their students." Timothy Virkkala, Liberty FA6072W Hayek on Hayek (hardcover) 187p. $27.50 HAYEK: CO-ORDINATION AND EVOLUTION His Legacy in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas edited by Jack Birner and Rudy van Zijp This book assesses Hayek's wondrous intellectual achievements. Roger Garrison, Gerald O'Driscoll, Norman Barry, Jeremy Shearmur, and a host of others examine and illuminate Hayek's views on why bureaucrats cannot produce prosperity, why socialism suppresses liberty, what drives business cycles, the dynamics of money, how social institutions develop spontaneously, and a constitutional order to protect privacy and liberty. FA5979W Hayek: Coordination and Evolution (hardcover) 372p. Published at $65.00 LF PRICE ONLY $24.95 CONTENDING WITH HAYEK edited by Christoph Frei and Robert Nef Here a group of noted European and American scholars debate F.A. Hayek's most important ideas about a free society. John Gray, Hans- Hermann Hoppe, Anthony de Jasay and more focus on Hayek's social, political and legal philosophy, sometimes taking issue with each other on major questions as well as fine points. FA6342W Contending with Hayek (paperback) 228p. Published at $33.95 LF PRICE ONLY $24.95 THE IDEAS OF F.A. HAYEK narrated by Brian Crowley These audio tapes are probably the best introduction to the life and thought of F.A. Hayek that we're likely to get our hands on. The format for the tapes is a simple one: it is a two-part, two-hour radio documentary on Hayek produced for the Canadian Broadcasting Company. The narrator, Brian Crowley, introduces Hayek's life and ideas, and provides the continuity for the tapes. FA5452W The Ideas of F.A. Hayek (2 audiotapes) 2 hrs. $21.95 HAYEK, FREEDOM'S PHILOSOPHER written & produced by Eben Wilson While there are many great books on liberty, video material is hard to come by. This splendid three-part video series helps you better understand and explain his ideas which are changing the world for the better. FA6326W Hayek, Freedom's Philosopher (VHS video) 110 min. $49.95 HAYEK, THE IRON CAGE OF LIBERTY by Andrew Gamble Why did classical liberalism lose its appeal just as it triumphed? How did socialists convince large numbers of people that they were legitimate heirs to the glorious liberal tradition? Why did socialists "win" the debate about economic calculation? What was the link between socialism and Nazism? Why, having dismissed Hayek decades ago, do some socialists (they are still plenty lurking around) now turn to him as an idea man for the makeover they dream about? Gamble, a socialist professor of politics at the University of Sheffield, aims to answer these and many others questions as he reviews Hayek's prolific career and help put it in historical context. He's often annoying, because he never concedes the catastrophe of socialism, but he does do a good job of summarizing Hayek's views, he raises provocative issues, and he provides a picture of a sophisticated adversary wrestling with classical liberal ideas. In the process, he helps show how far we've come and how much farther we have to go. If we are to win the intellectual debates ahead, we must clearly understand what our adversaries are thinking. FA7381W Hayek, the Iron Cage of Liberty (paperback) 221p. $19.95" Hayek on the Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. >> END << --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Minsky Manufactures Privacy...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somewhere in the bowels of an active location transponder discussion on the wearables list... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: minsky(a)mailhub.media.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:29:19 -0500 To: wearables(a)media.mit.edu From: Marvin Minsky <minsky(a)media.mit.edu> Subject: Re: location vs. tracking "David P. Reed" <dpreed(a)reed.com> worries: >[they can use active tracking of you] for various 'public benefits' (such as antiterrorism, antipedophilia, anti-anti-gov't thinking, and monitoring any personal, non-business interactions, among employees. ) Did you mean to include antiterrorism? >There's always a plausible reason that can be used to override >whatever privacy policies and safeguards are designed into such a system. If the reasons really are plausible, then those overrides should be added to the system design. >It's sad that our public institutions now tend to view everyone as a >potentially evil person... Do you mean all public institutions? Perhaps, instead, we should try to design tracking systems that include public review mechanisms -- so that whenever anyone (e.g., your employer) accesses your record against the privacy policy, they'll be subject to legal sanctions and damages. The issues of privacy are pretty complicated: for example, if someone has been furtively following you, some future technology might permit you to authorize someone you trust to find out who it is. Ed Fredkin once asked a number of people how they would feel about a new device with which you could select almost anyone in the world, and make the device produce a loud noise near them. They all objected angrily. Then Ed said, "It already exists. It's called the telephone." --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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DaBORG
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am James T. Kirk of Borg. You will be assimil..... ated. I am John-Boy of Borg. G'night, Hugh! G'night, Lore! G'night, Data! I am Kira of Borg. Wanna make something out of it??!!!! I am Kojak of Borg. Who loves to assimilate ya, baby. I am Ginsu of Borg. You WILL be ASSIMILATED, but wait! That's not all! I am Hamlet, prince of Borg! Prepare to be...or not to be... I am Haskell of Borg. You resist well, Mrs. Cleaver. I am Lancelot of Borg. Resistance is feudal. I am Lennon of Borg. Imagine there's no assimilation... I am Baez of Borg. What if we gave an assimilation and nobody came? I am Mr. Rogers of Borg. Won't you be assimilated with me? I am Barney of Borg. Love is irrelevant, boys and girls... I am Odo of Borg. Look! Now I'm a Cylon. No, now I'm a... I am Opie of Borg. Can I assimilate 'em, Pa? I am Oprah of Borg. So, why did you assimilate your husband? I am Quayle of Borg. Speling is irelevante. I am Ronald Reagan of Borg. Prepare to be ... uh, I don't recall. I am Rush Limbaugh of Borg. That's a scary thought, eh? I am Scooby of Borg. Reware roo re arrimirated, Raggy! I am Obi Wan of Borg. The Force is with me, so killing me is futile. I am Skywalker of Borg. So, Ben, do we really want to assimilate Hoth? I am Smiley Face of Borg. Nice days are irrelevant. [:-| I am Smorgas of Borg. You will be marinated. I am Clinton of Borg. You will not really be assimilated, exactly... I am Janet Reno of Borg. Resisters will be barbecued. Waco is irrelevant. I am Stephanopolous of Borg. It's not assimilation, it's diversity... I am Eastwood of Borg. Do you feel lucky, Earthpunks? Make my day. I am Fonda of Borg. After assimilation, you will have Buns of Steel. I am Madonna of Borg. Resistance turns me on. I am Beavis of Borg. Assimilation is cool, gonna score, heheheheheh... I am Butt-head of Borg. Scoring is irrelevant, asswipe! Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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(No Subject)
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:33 PM 11/26/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: >In message <v03007800b09f865249e2(a)[172.17.1.150]>, Rick Smith writes: >> >> I recently spoke informally with a couple of sub-Cabinet level officials on >> crypto policy. Their comments indicated that the FBI et al are dominating >> internal meetings on the subject with the same polarizing rhetoric they're >> using in Congress. One official said that he was accused of intentionally >> aiding terrorists at one of these meetings. > >During a recent application for crypto export approval, which should have >been routine, we were contacted by an individual from the *FBI* (not from >BXA) who refused our export license because we didn't have a key recovery >system *in place now*. This is despite the facts that: > >- the export license was to use our strong cryptography products for > communications between our international sales offices and head office; > this used to be a rubber-stamp license, and > >- we are in the process of implementing key recovery technology as part of a > a seperate export approval for our DES-56 products. > >I couldn't even get an answer as to why the FBI had jurisdiction over our >export approval. I guess the FBI has decided that it is going to be the secret police when the time comes. (And I had been thinking it was going to be the ATF!) I wonder if they could be egged into a turf war amongst themselves--if they are fighting each other, they have less time and energy to fuck with us... Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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by 89352555＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Let's pay for online policing [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > November 26, 1997: 2:33 p.m. ET > European Commission > > European Union > More related sites... BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) - The European > Commission proposed Wednesday setting aside money for measures to help > keep illegal and harmful material off the Internet. > [INLINE] Continuing its push for industry self-regulation of the > global computer network, the commission said the European Union should > help set up a pan-European network of telephone hot lines to take > complaints about illegal items. [material deleted]

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Re: Moderated vs. Unmoderated Lists
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The issue is not moderation. It is whether this list has a focus, a central set of ideas, a reason for existence. If we're just going to talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop the list from drifting away from its goals. In fact, that is exactly what has happened. Tim May's violent rhetoric has attracted others who believe in violence. Vulis's racist and sexist comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing negative comments about other races and nationalities. There is little discussion about cryptography any more. Tim May: >This has crypto anarchy relevance in that strong crypto will undermine the >ability of the U.S. government to fight foreign wars and engange in foreign >entanglements. How this will happen should be obvious. What difference does it make whether it has crypto anarchy relevance? No one cares about that any more. The only thing that matters today is whether it includes crypto racism, or crypto terrorism, or crypto white supremacy. > Yes, I talk about what interests me. A single essay I _write_ represents my > views. I avoid cc:ing the list with forwarded stuff from Yahoo, as some are > wont to do. > > Thus, I feel no guilt about writing some essay or article on something of > interest to me. Writing off-topic essays isn't the problem. Posting them here is. Why don't you use alt.fan.oj-simpson for your racist rants like you used to?

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