December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Mondex help needed
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just received one of the Chase Manhattan Mondex cards. Since I've been doing a bit of work with smartcards lately <https://www.cypherpunks.to/scard/>, I'd like to take an extended look at this card. The task would be much easier if I had one or several of the following: o Mondex card Programer Reference Manual. Somebody on this list must have access to one. o Protocol specifications. Even partial specs would be helpful. o Any PC software that talks RS-232 to a reader that is meant to hold a Mondex card. And of course the reader. If the reader work with non-Mondex cards, all the better, because that probably means that the reader is generic and the commands can be reverse engineered and emulated. o An RS-232 adapter to the PCMCIA sized reader that came with my Chase Mondex card and associated PC software. The reader has a tiny connector on the side meant to connect to a serial port adapter. Since this is a Mondex-only reader, I am not sure how much of the intelligence resides in the reader. Listening to the communication between the PC software and this particular reader may not provide much information. Your help is much appreciated. Anonymous donations are accepted and encouraged. Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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CyberCash response to: Major security flaw in Cybercash 2.1.2 (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:08:28 -0500 From: Pat Farrell <pfarrell(a)CYBERCASH.COM> To: BUGTRAQ(a)NETSPACE.ORG Subject: CyberCash response to: Major security flaw in Cybercash 2.1.2 This message is going to bugtraq because I first heard of the report from this list. I believe it is in the spirit of the list's usage guidelines. Redistributed in accordance to the terms below. Other responses should be off list, directly to me. Pat -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have been asked by Steve Crocker, CyberCash's Chief Technical Officer, to post this message concerning security of CyberCash's software. The following should appear in its entirety if it's printed at all. Permission is granted to repost this message as long as the entire message is reposted unaltered with the PGP signature intact. Pat The following message appeared on the net. > === begin quoted message === > >From: Anonymous <anon(a)ANON.EFGA.ORG> >Subject: Major security flaw in Cybercash 2.1.2 >To: BUGTRAQ(a)NETSPACE.ORG > >CyberCash v. 2.1.2 has a major security flaw that causes all credit >card information processed by the server to be logged in a file with >world-readable permissions. This security flaw exists in the default >CyberCash installation and configuration. > >The flaw is a result of not being able to turn off debugging. Setting >the "DEBUG" flag to "0" in the configuration files simply has no >effect on the operation of the server. > >In CyberCash's server, when the "DEBUG" flag is on, the contents of >all credit card transactions are written to a log file (named >"Debug.log" by default). > >The easiest workaround I've found is to simply delete the existing >Debug.log file. In my experience with the Solaris release, the >CyberCash software does not create this file at start time when the >DEBUG flag is set to 0. > >The inability to turn off debugging is noted on CyberCash's web site >under "Known Limitations". The fact that credit card numbers are >stored in the clear, in a world readable file, is not. > > === end quoted message === We have taken this quite seriously and have put through a full release of our software which will be available Monday 11/24 for three platforms and others shortly thereafter. The flaw was in the debug logging function, not in the protocols or core implementation. Nonetheless, the effect was an unnecessary exposure of potentially sensitive information, and it shouldn't have gone out the door that way. We're tightening our internal processes to avoid this in the future. That said, here's the actual exposure. The credit card information that's in the clear in the log comes from "merchant-initiated" transactions, which means the merchant obtains the credit card number from somewhere -- phone, mail, fax, SSL-protected Internet interaction, or unprotected Internet interaction. The merchant thus has the same info in the clear already. If the card number was provided via a wallet, then the card number is blinded at the consumer's end. It is therefore not in the clear as it passes through the merchant's machine and the reported exposure does not apply.. In order for the unprotected log to pose a risk of exposure, someone has to be able to gain access to the merchant's machine. If the machine is well protected, viz behind a firewall and/or carefully configured, presumably an outsider won't be able to gain access. And in terms of the *additional* exposure the open log represents over existing risks, if the same information is accessible in the clear elsewhere on the machine, eliminating from the log or encrypting the log provides little or no real protection. We continue to advise merchants to take strong steps to protect their machines. To our knowledge, the exposure documented above has not resulted in the actual loss of any customer data or other security incident. - ---------------------------------- Steve Crocker Desk: +1 703 716 5214 CyberCash, Inc. Main: +1 703 620 4200 2100 Reston Parkway Fax: +1 703 620 4215 Reston, VA 20191 crocker(a)cybercash.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHfwF7CsmOInW9opAQHurAP+MPve2kBqh7Vtt6cMbzohCt2PTjaa6dl3 AzxTVPzgMPdGLB+pehGNxsxrlb/hQ07P3IqMaKcaKXs9O+7Av7ijaUGGkbWpbhEJ Zy38iKpEsMIHe2vrLXyyjVbzorj/8f/OHEr28NbXjviSllyJlGzowgS0AXuFMLMt lByJBsTAAS4= =ZlLs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Pat Farrell CyberCash, Inc. w:(703) 715-7834 Senior Engineer pfarrell(a)cybercash.com #include standard.disclaimer

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Re: Junior Jim Bells in Training
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > (Vulis, Toto, Detweiler...don't get any ideas.) At least one of us has been there...done that--over ten years ago. Seeing the fuckers face when the Feds knock on his door comes close to being a beautific sexual experience. It is well worth the wait. Anyone familiar with the statute of limitations involved?

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:04:13 -0500 > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > Reread what you quoted below, and you will see that I don't want to > debate over wether or not in a frontal clash between USSR and Japan the > japanese army wins or not. I will grant you they win the first > battle. The same way the germans won for a while... And even admittedly > if you destroy the organised forces from your enemy, it doesn't mean you > are done. You are only if you manage to get the population on your > side. Dimitri makes a very good point in his post, saying that the > germans fucked up in the west, as they could have taken great advantage > from being seen as liberators. As for "Moscow fall, Stalin fall", > remember Napoleon ? Napolean never took Moscow, he was stopped - just like Hitler - at the gates. The closest either French or German forces got was to look at the spires of the Kremlin. Beyond that similarity there are a wide range of differences between the situation. The fact remains that had Stalin *not* been able to withdraw troops from the Chinese border he would not have been able to keep Stalingrad or Moscow. Further, the *only* reason that Stalin could afford to do that was because Sorge indicated that the Japanese were interested in other goals at the time. Oh, regarding Napolean, the reason that he couldn't take Moscow was because troops, called Cossacks, were moved from the east to the west. > > Had it not been for the oil, food, and weapons we shipped Britian he would > > have owned Europe in toto. It is clear from Hitlers earliest writings that > > he had full intention of taking Russia. Had Stalin not had Sorge's > > Yeah, he was stupid. That's my point ;-) Hitler may have been a lot of things, stupid was not one of them. > Ultimatly this cost them the game. Not enough men. Had the situation > last a little longer, japanese occupation forces in China would have > faced some serious problems (they were already, actually). Such as? The situation in China at the time was that a variety of warlords were spending more time fighting each other than the Japanese. China at that time was not a cohesive entity. The reason that Japan lost WWII was that at no point did they have strategic supplies of oil for longer than 5-9 months *and* the US waged unrestricted submarine warfare in the Pacific destroying what merchant marine the Japanese had so they could not take advantage of the oil refineries in such nifty places as Palembang, Sumatra (whose taking in Feb. 1942 was the first use of Japanese paratroops, all 700 were wiped out). It was not because they didn't have the men. > Well, in 34 it wasn't yet the case: when there were serious rumors that > Hitler might be tempted to invade Austria, Mussolini moved troops close > to his autrian border. He was a close friend of the austrian prime > minister of the time (later to be killed...). How Mussolini changed his > mind is a mix of his internal situation in Italy, and his rejection by > the rest of Europe... In 1934 Mussolini invaded Abyssinia all on his own, Hitler took the opportunity to march into the Rhineland while the rest of the world stood aghast at the use of modern weapons against stone-age tribesmen. The next thing Mussolini did was send troops to help Franco, troops which fought right along side Germans troops. On Nov. 30, 1938 Ciano made a comment in the Fascist Chamber about 'natural aspiration' and the members stood yelling "Corsica, Tunis, Nice!". The talk of taking Nice obviously did nothing to settle the French's worries. In July, 1938 5 billion lire was asigned to modernize the Italian forces. The Abyssinian campaign cost 13 billion lire and tied up 300,000 Italian troops. The help in Spain cost hardware and involved another 50,000 troops who were still there. When the Spanish Civil War ended in 1939 he invaded Albania, which was an Italian protectorate. By this time Italy as allied strongly to Germany in the minds of just about everyone. Around 12 August, 1939 after Ciano discovered the intended invasion of Poland and passed this to Mussolini did there become a measure of doubt in Mussolini's mind that perhaps he had picked the wrong allies. > I think you are the one playing games, not me. Once again, I don't > disagree with you on the fact that the US made the right decision > anyway. But had they waited until Hitler was knocking on their door it > wouldn't probably have changed the issue by much. (I would be a native > german-speaker, perhaps...) If the US had waited until Hitler began dropping bombs on New York and firing V2's from submarines 20 miles off the coast while at the same time Japan was doing the same sorts of things, with a nice base at Pearl Harbor, *and* you claim the US could have stood the test then I can only say you are confused at best. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble World banner 4MB upgrade only $49.99 rule FACING CRISIS, JAPAN'S OLDEST BROKERAGE TO CLOSE graphic November 23, 1997 Web posted at: 7:06 p.m. EST (0006 GMT) TOKYO (Reuters) -- Yamaichi Securities Co. Ltd, Japan'soldest brokerage, will shut down, a spokesman said Monday,resulting in the country's biggest financial failure since World War II. Financial sources said a last-ditch review at a meeting ofYamaichi's board of directors determined it had no chance ofsurviving a credit crunch, shrinking business and high-profile scandals. The board was to hold a news conference later Monday,the spokesman said. Japanese markets were closed on Monday for a national holiday, but international stock markets and the yen were expected to be hit by the news of the shutdown amid fears of a domino effect across Japan, Asia and possibly beyond. International markets brace for possible fallout International markets were braced for fallout from Asia's latest economic crisis, the final chapter in a saga of Japanese corporate racketeering that has worldwide implications. The fear that Japan might be the next Asian domino to fallhas kept international monetary officials, already dealing with a crisis in South Korea, the world's 11th largest economy, and other Asian nations, on edge. "The initial reaction is likely to be selling pressure onthe yen and equity markets and a firmer opening for U.S.Treasuries," said Kirit Shah, chief market strategist at Sanwa International in London. Bank of Japan sources told Reuters a special board meetingwould be held on Monday morning on whether to extend specialunsecured loans to Yamaichi. The Finance Ministry and central bank contacted overseasauthorities to alleviate global concerns, especially in U.S. and European markets. Third brokerage to collapse in past month The Yamaichi crisis follows the collapse in the past monthof second-tier brokerage Sanyo Securities Co. Ltd. and10th-ranking commercial bank Hokkaido Takushoku Bank. Finger-pointing has already started over what was behind thecollapse in its centenary year of a Japanese household name that has a staff of 7,500 at home and 33 branches abroad. Takeo Nishioka, secretary-general of the main opposition NewFrontier Party, said Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto's ruling Liberal Democratic Party had not acted decisively enough to ensure financial stability in Japan. "The Yamaichi Securities situation has undermined the trustof Japanese investors and international financial markets,"Nishioka said on national television. A financial system in need of reform The criticism added up to a unanimous view that Japan'sfinancial system was in urgent need of reform, deregulation and closer supervision -- and there was more bad news to come. At its core, the liquidity crunch faced by Yamaichi has beendriven by concern that creditors cannot pin down just how large the brokerage's potential losses could become, analysts said. "It's a story of lack of sufficient disclosure andsupervision," said James Fiorillo, senior banking analyst at ING Barings in Tokyo. A Finance Ministry official said on Saturday there weresuspicions of vast off-balance sheet liabilities exceeding 200 billion yen ($1.58 billion) from illegal trading practices. If that is the extent of the problem, one industry source said that a "white knight might be found to pick up at least some of the pieces. But there were worries the numbers may be much larger, withpossibly 1 trillion yen ($7.9 billion) accumulated fromillegal deals since the 1980s. Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] 4MB upgrade only $49.99 rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Negronics
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to the Associated Press, the first Black student at the University of Mississippi, James Meredith, has just opened an institute which teaches Black men and boys to be successful by avoiding the use of Black English, or Ebonics. Speaking at a news conference today, Meredith told reporters that Black males could never be intellectual giants unless they learned proper English. Meredith promised that after attending his new Mississippi Meredith Institute's weekend classes, the Black male would be "as comfortable in the library as he is on the basketball court." The Meredith Institute would not be open to girls or women, Meredith explained, although they may sit in on classes if they pay a $50 fee. He explained that Black women would still prevail in the Black family, because, "She's not going to let the boy get ahead of her." Meredith's first school, the Library Scool for Black Boys and Men in Jackson, Mississippi, is scheduled to open in January. A second school will open in February in San Diego. No Ho's or Bitches need apply. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: Why posts are not appearing in NG.
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > Anonimity has already been lost due to the fact that if some > ass who is a control freak keeps posting crap to the > news.lists.filters newsgroup. Go ahead an see for yourselves > how many groups have been eliminated from receiving posts from > anonymous remailers. All that need be done is post some spam > through the anonymous remailer to a legitimate group, make a > request to cancel all postings to the newsgroup from that remailer > and guess what, your posts will no longer appear in the newsgroup. > > No investigation, no nothing! Just like that all posts from an > anonymous remailer stop appearing in a group. > So if your posts are not appearing on a particular newsgroup, > chances are that it has been prevented from accepting posts due > to idiots that just do as they are requested. By the way, who has > authority to just terminate (restrict the acceptance of posts) > to a newsgroup? > Do not believe it? Go to Deja News, go to power search and type in > the following (anonymous and news.lists.filters) and see what > the results are. Shocking. Someone or group of individuals is > abusing this privalage and must be exposed/dealt with accordingly. That's becoming old hat with the censorious control freaks. If they don't like what's being posted anonymously, the post a whole bunch of anonymous "abuse" themselves, then turn around and demand that "something to be done to stop this abuse". It's gotten remailers banned from posting through certain mail2news gateways, and even gotten remailers (like Mailmasher, Huge Cajones, and Lucifer) shut down entirely. In many cases, it's not hard to figure out who's doing it. Just look for posts where anonymous posters are called "anonymous assholes", accused of "hiding behind the skirts of a remailer", etc. For info on the attack on Jeff Burchell's remailers, visit: http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997… -or- http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html > One of the biggest abusers of this practice is at > Unknown News Administrator <news(a)news.msfc.nasa.gov> > 8862 news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins > This individual posts requests through legitimate servers and is > slowly eroding the anonymous posts purpose. > Go ahead and check to see if the newsgroup you post to is on the > list and report back to the group. If you'll visit the "control" NG, you'll find see that <news(a)news.msfc.nasa.gov> is forging a lot of cancel messages to kill anonymous posts. Perhaps a complaint to NASA is in order to protest government computers being used for forgery. And if someone is also forging a NASA address to make them look bad at the same time, then they need to know about that, too. --

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Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) November 24, 1997 Anonymity At Any Cost by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) When Lance Cottrell created an easy-to-use anonymous e-mail service back in 1994, he feared that nobody would use it. "I used to be worried that people didn't want anonymity enough to pay for it," he says. Today his company, Infonex, boasts 3,000 customers who pay $60 a year to browse the Web without leaving behind digital footprints. Which leaves Cottrell with new and more troubling worries. The mushrooming popularity of his Web-based "Anonymizer" (he also offers a slower, free version) has placed him at the heart of an explosive Internet debate over the limits of free speech and privacy online. Is Infonex - or Cottrell personally - responsible if a user breaks the law and can't be traced? Should the government restrict anonymous remailers or untraceable Web browsing? Last weekend Cottrell and I joined 40 lawyers, technologists and academics at a conference sponsored by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Our charge: to puzzle through some of the questions surrounding anonymous communication. [...]

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No Subject
by Devin Akin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Sir, I would like to request a copy of the crack files for Windows 95 and WFW "pwl" files if you have them. I am a network engineer and I'm doing some small-time network security for a couple of clients. I would like to show them just how vulnerable their network is to even the simplest of file utilities. Thanks in advance for any help you might provide. <A href="mailto:Devin-Akin@usa.net">Devin-Akin(a)usa.net MCNE, MCSE

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Another Anti-Privacy Bigot Heard From (was: The Guilmette/Burnore deba
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sjsobol(a)devel.nacs.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: > So my challenge to the people posting anonymously is to either go away, or > find some balls and post non-anonymously. I know this won't happen, as much > of the stuff being said is rather libelous and can get the poster into a lot > of legal trouble, but hey, if any of the cowards involved would *like* to > reveal themselves... If you'd to expose ... er, I mean "reveal" yourself, be my guest. <g> But knock off the bigotry -- anonymous posters are not going to be relegated to the back of the bus just because some control freak is annoyed by hearing things with which he disagrees posted by people that he can't identify. You're merely chanting the same line we've all heard over and over -- "unless you have something to hide, you won't mind my snooping and meddling in every aspect of your life". Threats of "a lot of legal trouble" for speaking one's mind are nothing new. But the tort of libel requires that the information be FALSE. There's a difference between something being libellously false and merely being embarassingly true. And, of course, the burden of proof is on the person making the charge. --

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executive officers
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone recently sent a post ot this list where they mentioned that George Bush and Ronald Reagan were former chief executive officers of a corporation that sells military equipment. Can whoever posted this send it to me? amp ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 11/23/97 Time: 19:43:22 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp == -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) == 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ------------------------

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Belinda Bryan's Defense of Gary "Sadaam" Burnore (was: Re: Keman the K
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

eridani+spam(a)netcom.com (Belinda Bryan) wrote: ^^^^^ > X-No-Archive: yes Clever. You and Gary demand "proof" of what you've said in the past, then you attempt to conceal the very evidence you're demanding like this. It figures. Nothing like this, coupled with repeated false claims of "forgery", to give your posts a little "plausible deniability", is there? > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. Your obsessive disinformation campaign continues, I see... [...] > >>On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:54:33 GMT, eguy(a)mindspring.com (Eric Guy) wrote: > >>The account is closed. Find something ELSE to be obsessed about. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >Take your own fucking advice. Get off Ron Guilmette's back. > > You posted his ten year old tax lien. > > Public information. Just like all those "public" email addresses rfg ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > posted of users of ISPS who didn't meet his standards. Tit for tat. Well, if posting public information is OK, then why the hate campaign against Ron Guilmette and his business for (allegedly) doing like you and Gary did? Actually, either you're lying now about the reason that Gary posted the info back in February, or Gary was lying back then when he said: "What say each time you slam DataBasix for no reason, we post some publicly available information about monkeys.com. HEre's the first try" and "More where this came from. Yu wanna keep slamming DataBasix for no good reason?". [1] That sounds like an attempt at censorship through intimidation to me. After you pull stunts like that is it any wonder that people post their opinions anonymously? The more you attack anonymous remailers and their users, the more people will see the benefit of utilizing them. > Life's a bitch that way, ain't it? ^^^^^ No, LIFE isn't, but, OTOH ... > > You mail bombed him and tried syn flooding without success. > > THAT'S A VICIOUS LIE. POST THE GODDAMN PROOF OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Now I'm beginning to see why you weren't able to convince Jeff Burchell that you were a "lawyer" for DataBasix when you tried the Scientology-esque stunt of demanding that he turn all of his (non-existent) user logs over to DataBasix to use in their witch hunt against the users of his remailer. [2] Going on a tantrum like that in a courtroom would get you jailed for contempt of court. I see you haven't changed your typical DataBasix tactics of demanding proof from others, but never bothering to offer any for your own accusations. Like the accusations that Ron Guilmette "spam baited" addresses at databasix.com. (The only thing you've posted that even looked like evidence was some idle talk about netcom.com addresses.) Or how about that claim that Mr. Guilmette supposedly "abused" an unnamed "teenage girl" at DataBasix? > > These days you looking for more blood. Find someone else to be obsessed > > about. Asshole. > > Jesus, cretins like you give *responsible* people posting anonymously a > bad name. As do those such as the delta sub-moron who forged my > former [1] email address in the Reply to: line of an obscene Usenet > post. As far as giving anonymous posters a bad name, since when have you EVER had anything decent or civil to say about those who don't believe that setting one's self up for abuse should be the price of free speech? Calling anonymous posters "anon assholes" only betrays your pernicious bigotry and hatred of those who dare to speak their minds without subjecting themselves to the revenge that seems to (coincidentally?) befall those who dare to criticize the almighty Sadaam Burnore. As far as "delta sub-morons" engaging in "forgery" (assuming they aren't your fellow "delta sub-morons" on the DataBasix gang) what about all the crude attempts at forgery involving the e-mail addresses of those who've dared to publicly disagree with Gary Burnore and his DataBasix wrecking crew? What about the letters in various MMF and MLM NGs saying "I have a lot of money to invest, please send me information on how I can get rich quick" and purportedly signed by these folks? I must have missed your vehement protests about that. > You aren't worth the bother anymore. > > *PLONK* Did anyone force you to post THIS tantrum? Don't let the door strike your posterior on the way out. > [1] former because I had to close the account when it become completely > unusable, thanks to some anonymous cretin who (a) used the address as > spambait several *thousand* times and (b) subscribed me to every > freaking html-ized newsletter in existence. Once again, you post accusations without proof. (Maybe I ought to do my DataBasix impression of you and Sadaam Burnore stomping your feet and chanting in unison, "Not a shred of evidence! Not a shred of evidence!") You can only say "I didn't do it, nobody saw me doing it, and you can't prove a thing" so often. Your post no evidence that such alleged abuse even occurred, nor that, *IF* it did occur, it was perpetrated by someone other than you or one of your fellow abusers at DataBasix, perhaps as a pretext to get a remailer shut down. If by your "former e-mail address" you're referring to an account at DataBasix.com, could the real reason be that Gary is so technically inept that he has been unable to get the databasix.com domain up and running after his hasty exodus from California to North Carolina? At least that's been his alibi -- "I couldn't have posted any spam bait - databasix.com is still down". Your whining is so hypocritical, anyway. Where were those protests when your fellow staffer at DataBasix, William J. McClatchie (aka "Wotan"), was busy making THOUSANDS of e-mail addresses useless when he went on his successful campaign to get the Mailmasher server shut down? (Remember the bogus "forgery" charges and the pitiful "evidence" that was posted?) > P.S. Fix your goddamn line wrap. Why? You claim to have "plonked" him/her.... Why not just fix your newsreader? -- Since Belinda likes to footnote her posts: [1] http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997… [2] http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:12:02 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war > > At 1:43 PM -0700 11/23/97, Jim Choate wrote: > ... > >Any particular methodology you might care to share on stopping WWII? > >Being an avid amateur historian concerning WWII I am very much interested in > >any insight you might have. > > Not entering the war. Do you have a particular method in mind? > There's ample evidence that the U.S. provoked the > Japanese in various ways. Such as? > (I'm not saying the Japanese were blameless, or > lily-white, or"nice," etc., only that most historians agree--and Japanese > archives support--that the Japanese were motivated to attack Pearl Harbor > in the hope that a devastating first blow would sink enough ships, etc., to > cause America to back off in its actions in the ironically named Pacific.) So how does Tojo and his out of control Kwantung Army figure into this? Do you feel that Japans Co-prosperity Sphere was a benign goal? How do you consign your position that we provoked Japan with their behaviour in such situations as Nanking? > Had the U.S. concentrated on its own affairs, on just trade, it is unlikely > that what the Japanese were doing in Malaysia, Manchuria, Korea, Indochina, > and the Phillipines would have had any major interest for us. The Phillipines at the time were a US protectorate, is your position that we should have simply turned them over without a fight? Korea was ceeded to Japan as a result of the 1903 defeat of Russia, how is this relevant to your position? Let's assume for a moment that the US hadn't gotten involved. The Japanese would have eventualy gotten to Australia. Once there what would have kept them from expanding their co-prosperity sphere eastward in order to better stabalize their resources. When they knocked on Guam or Midway's door should we have let them go like the Phillipines? How about the Japanese's eventual expansion into the Allutians? Should we have simply given Alaska to them as well? Is your position that once they had the western half of the pacific rim they would have no pretentions on the eastern half? What do you base this on? > As for Europe, this was even less our war than the Pacific war. Really? How so? Is your position that Germany would have benignly left the US alone once they had defeated Britian (I am assuming of course the US hadn't shipped resources such as oil and fuel to them)? Had the US not gotten into the war the resources available to Germany and Japan were such they could realisticaly have beaten the Russian. One of the reasons that Russia had the resources to reinforce the eastern front was their ability to remove troops from the Chinese border based on Richard Sorge's intelligence. > In a sense, so _what_ if some army from some nation was rolling over other > armies? That depends on where they stop their rolling. Is your position that if we had refused to support conflicts against Japan and Germany all would have been well? Are you proposing that Germany would not have advanced with their atomic research? Completed development on their jet-based New York Bomber? > Those who wanted to liberate the death camps, or to push Hitler back into > Gerrmany, or to kick the Emperor's butt could, of course, simply go over > and volunteer. In a free society, mercenaries are legal. Volunteer to who? > The last justifiable war the American states were involved in was, > arguably, the War of 1812. Every war since then has been unjustified. Justifiable war? How is the invasion of the US by British troops significantly different than the invasion by German or Japanese troops? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (No Subject)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> sez: >>Onan is commonly (albeit incorrectly) credited with the invention of >>masturbation. (See Genesis 38:6-10 in the Bible) I wonder what sort of >>thoughts the Onan-o-graph induces? [snicker, snicker] > >get your demonized molesting mind out of the gutter Yep, that's definitely Second Dynamic out-ethics to the Scienos. Of course, they'd be glad to sell you some auditing to bring you up on the tone scale. Got a few thousand extra dollars sitting around? I didn't make up any of this stuff -- if you care enough to learn about it, do an Altavista search on "Operation Clambake." See L. Ron Hubbard's mind in action! Read about the Galactic Confederation! Thrill to the Xenu legend! Enjoy NOT spending your money to learn this stuff! "I mock up my reactive mind." -- A great $cientology $ecret, their Clear Cognition. I just saved you a few grand. Tip your waitress.

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:12:31 -0500 > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > I guess what Tim means is at some point a equilibrium is reached, such > as in this case 2 dominant players (Japan and USA) face each other and > rather coexist than fight, because trading is more beneficial to them > than war. The problem with such a theory is that it supposes both actors > are intelligent enough to figure out when war isn't the best > solution. In that particular case, I have little to no faith in the > japanese side... Considering the relationship between the Kwantung Army and the Emporer faith and the Japanese are a clearly mis-matched combination. > > Really? How so? Is your position that Germany would have benignly left the > > US alone once they had defeated Britian (I am assuming of course the US > > hadn't shipped resources such as oil and fuel to them)? Had the US not > > gotten into the war the resources available to Germany and Japan were such > > they could realisticaly have beaten the Russian. One of the reasons that > > Hum hum. I frankly doubt that. Japan beat the shit out of Russia in 1903. Had it not been for Richard Sorge's intelligence of the situation in 1938 around Chankufeng Hill at Vladivostok indicating the Japanese governments committment to keep the situation from becoming a declared war and Georgi Zukhov at Khalkin Gol in 1939 the Japs would have beaten them then as well. In both situations Stalin was up against the wall. In 1938 there are clear indications that instead of counter-attacking he might very well have sued for peace and in the process lost the port at Vladivostok. Had the Japanese re-inforced their army they could have beaten the Russian troops available. Considering the lack of roads and rail in that part of Russia it is unrealistic to expect reinforcements to have arrived from Russia in a meaningful time frame without recognizing the contribution Japans hesitancy in getting into a conflict with Russia and Richard Sorge's clandestine intelligence contributed. Had either one of those not been present then Russia would have been eaten in little gobbles from the east and west. > Somehow your ability to expand durably > depends on your ability to keep your new possessions. While occupying > France, using a satellite gouvernment, isn't that hard, occupying Russia > (for the germans) and China (for the japanese) is another, quite > impossible, task if you don't get the population support (or, at least, > indifference). So, if Hitler had known better, he would have stuck to > western europe... Had it not been for the oil, food, and weapons we shipped Britian he would have owned Europe in toto. It is clear from Hitlers earliest writings that he had full intention of taking Russia. Had Stalin not had Sorge's intelligence regarding the Japanese's intent not to attack Russia at that time he would not have been able to pull troops from that front. Had those troops not been pulled then both Moscow and Stalingrad *would* have fallen. If Moscow fell Stalin fell. The Japanese also had intentions of taking Russia but only if they could consolidate their hold in the western Pacific Rim *and* keep America out of the conflict. China was beaten at the time. The only thing keeping the Japanese from taking over the entire country was two things. Their interest in expanding southward and eastward in the Pacific to gain more oil and resource reserves (Manchuria's oil was critical but no sufficient) and the fact that they simply didn't have enough men to do both, expand north/west and south/east. The Japanese chose to go south/east because they figured that with no chance of Russia attacking with the Germans on their doorstep they could flesh out their co-prosperity sphere and then come back once they had sufficient troops and resources *and* by doing this in concert with the Germans there is little chance of Russia surviving. It was also clear to many in Japan that there was no way America could afford to stand by and watch the Pacific be taken by force. At the time America was involved in its own expansion (ala Philipines & Guam) and it is clear that both American and Japanese expansion in that area would not work. The only clear path was to eliminate the American naval threat in the Pacific. Should such a situation be achieved there was no way American could afford to reduce the naval strength in the Atlantic by much, the Germans were waging unrestricted submarine warfare sinking even American ships. > > That depends on where they stop their rolling. Is your position that if we > > had refused to support conflicts against Japan and Germany all would have > > been well? Are you proposing that Germany would not have advanced with their > > atomic research? Completed development on their jet-based New York Bomber? > > This is a better argument than the domino theory you were suggesting for > the Pacific front. But this is a domino theory as well...there is one thing that studying history and playing wargames teaches...all conflicts are a domino theory. > If countries like France, England (and Italy, as Mussolini wasn't particulary fond of Hitler in the beginning of the > 30's) had been smarter, Mussolini may not have been fond of Hitler but he certainly admired and respected the man, or at least that is what Ciano's diaries indicate. Mussolini's explorations in Africa were a result of an attempt on his part to gain respect in Hitlers eyes. Mussolini's attack on France was a gambit to buy a seat at the surrender equal to Hitler. Mussolini's invasion of Greece over Hitlers protests were a measure of his equality. Unfortunately for the Italians the French & Greeks were more than capable of beating the Italian forces. Note that the Italians were not poor forces (examine the history of the Ariete Division in N. Africa) but rather very poorly led and supplied. It's further of some interest to note that Japan was very diligantly trying to get Italy to declare war on the US as late as Dec. 3, 1941. > > > The last justifiable war the American states were involved in was, > > > arguably, the War of 1812. Every war since then has been unjustified. > > Justifiable as "we (the states of the Union) were invaded by the British > ?". Actually, don't you think you deserved that one as the same states > tried to invade (then british) Canada, hoping GB was to busy dealing > with Napoleon ? Or correct me if I am wrong ? if you take that path, the > last justifiable war is the independence one. > > > Justifiable war? How is the invasion of the US by British troops > > significantly different than the invasion by German or Japanese troops? > > Once again, if 1812 the invasion actually occured, when during WWII it > was merely a possibility. The Japanese were certainly not bashful about taking Guam, Philipines, Midway, the Aleutian Islands; all in their original plans. The Germans were sinking ships as close as 20 miles off the easter seaboard. Bodies were washing up on the beach on a regular basis all along the eastern US coast. Keep in mind that from the tip of Siberia to the tip of Alaska is only something like 90 miles. Now with that in mind and considering the state of mind of Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, etc. how realistic is it to expect them to have passed on such a plum? > You see it as certain, Absolutely, every indication is that Hitler and the Japanese had full intention of involving the US. Neither could afford to let the resources and peoples of north and south America sit untouched even if they hadn't planned to get the US involved. Consider where the only two locations for platinum are located and the impact of that metal on high-technology.* Further consider, had Germany and Japan worked in concert a little closer they could have had 90% of all the oil on the planet. You think the oil shortages of the 70's were a bitch. In such a world the US would not have been the first on the moon (I suspect we wouldn't even be in the running). We would not in all probability have developed the atom bomb in time; Germany would have inhereted all the work the British did and considering that at the time they had all the heavy water on the planet they would have had a definite advantage. Take that and put things such as the ME-262, the New York Blitz Bomber, the V2, the Tri-partite signatories expansionistic dreams, the picture becomes quite nasty. And if you think for one minute that the US could have stood against Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia combined under some sort of combined assault with the technological edge going to the tri-partites you are sorely misinformed. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| * Russia & S. Africa

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:38 PM 11/23/97 -0500, Jon Galt wrote: >On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Mikhael Frieden wrote: > >> At 08:12 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >(May) >> >And what would be wrong with this? >(Frieden) >> Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of >> committing a crime. >And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not? It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than his own. >The >politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think >they have the right to run the lives of everybody else. The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty. That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. >Again I ask the question: >What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a >map and control people's travel across that line? The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just the intended consequences. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Copyrights and Wrongs, from The Netly News
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:46 AM 11/23/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 5:32 AM -0700 11/23/97, Mikhael Frieden wrote: > >> It is interesting that while almost the entire body of copyright >>law deals with materials other then what is to be covered, the industry has >>enough clout to get their's singled out for the first criminal penalties >>for violation. >> >> This leaves the bulk of copyrighted material, printed material, >>photographs and the like open to being stolen as does nizkor for example. > >I mentioned this point back when I was on the Cyberia-l list a few years ago. > >Some of the law professors on the list were complaining that their >copyright rights were being violated by the quoting or forwarding of >articles. > >And the major newspapers were sending out threatening letters, which were >generally heeded by the "offenders." > >Well, what about _my_ stuff? (More generally, anybody's stuff.) > >Why does Professor Joe Shmoe or "The New Attleboro Times" have a greater >claim to "copyright violations" than Fred Nobody? > >This is a semi-rhetorical question, as it mostly involves who is willing to >hire a lawyer to enforce such property claims. But, as M. Frieden notes, >the deck is stacked in favor of large newspapers, publishers, and even >professional authors, and is stacked against private individuals and lesser >authors gaining access to the courts. >"Some copyrights are more equal than others." >(Personally, I don't really believe in copyrights.) Perhaps but there is something particularly obnoxious to the rule of law when scum like McVay being able to say to the effect, 'I know I am stealing from you. Sue me.' It is most clearly a mockery of the law to find his pack of drooling toadies such as McC using the theft as a juvenile taunt, that some may set themselves above the law solely upon the grounds of the cost of civil action. That is something simply not done in civilized society. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fellow Kryptophiles, I submit, for your reading pleasure, this link: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/cases.html Discuss... Socraticus

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/CIAVIDEO/ciavideo.html " Aircraft with natural stability, whether a toy glider, a Cessna, or a 747, achieve that stability by designing the aircraft so that the center of gravity is slightly foreward of the center of lift. The plane is balanced by the pressure of the tail downward, called the "tail drag". By keeping the aerodymic center (the wings) aft of the center of gravity, the plane is kept naturally stable. It will fly with the nose foreward. The same with the flights of a dart or the fletching on an arrow. The stable configuration is with the aerodynamic center to the rear of the center of gravity. With the exception of modern combat CCV aircraft, which require computer control to maintain stability, all aircraft, from the Wright Flyer to the Space Shuttle, follow these same principles. Without the nose, the center of gravity of the aircraft would move aft of the aerodynamic center. Continued level flight in that configuration is an impossability. Trying to fly a 747 without it's nose would be like trying to throw a dart backwards. Both would tumble, trying to swap ends. In the case of the 747, the wings, even if they did not tear off while flat on to the 340 knot airstream, would lose all lift, and gravity would take over. "

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy Maypole studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). _ {~} ( V-) Timmy Maypole '|Y|' _|||_

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Choate Doesn't Do His Homework
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Make up your own mind on the validity of the claims. I prefer facts when it comes to making up my mind instead of baseless claims. For the others on this list who prefer the same, let me set the record straight... Jim Choate wrote: >It has been claimed that the original claim by Bob and anonymous was that >the first Great Awakening ended by the late 18'th century. This is a >complete fabrication. Yes, and you are the fabricator. Bob claimed it happened in the 19th century (see Fact 1 below). I claimed it happened in the early 18th century (see Fact 3 below). > The original claim put forth clearly references dates >in the 1800's as the date of the first instance, clearly 50-100 years in >error from the original Great Awakening that occurred between 1700-1750. For the umpteenth time, that was Bob's original claim, not mine. See above. > In >my original posting I (thought) made it clear that I didn't quite know when >the original event occurred but was certain it ended prior to the late >1700's which would clearly pre-date the original claim. I subsequently took >the time to provide references for those citation and clearly indicated >where my memory was in error, and even took the time to explain my confusion >regarding the 'Beacon on the Hill' movement. In responce Bob and apparently >anonymous made it clear that they saw no reason to do 'homework' >irrespective of the impact of historical accuracy on their claims. Bullshit! I did my homework. You (and Bob) didn't. But because I am a nice guy, I share it with you here. The bottomline is that you screwed up, Jim. You misread my original post (confusing the 18th century for the 1800's) and started this whole chain of events. The facts (not the claims) clearly bear this out. Nerthus _________________ T H E F A C T S [note: I have edited the attribution lines for clarity, but all posts are referenced to the Cypherpunk Archive] F A C T 1: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0556.html> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 Robert Hettinga wrote: >Jim Choate wrote: >> Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > >Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, >well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", >which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the >early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the >revolution. F A C T 2: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0036.html> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:54:37 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: > X-within-URL: http://www.gnbvoc.mec.edu/webquest/PPERRY3.htm > > 2ND GREAT AWAKENING & WESTWARD EXPANSION > > 1815-1850 F A C T 3: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0055.html> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:25:01 -0000 Nerthus wrote: >Jim Choate wrote [in response to Bob]: >>After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >>other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >>for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. > >"THE GREAT AWAKENING > >"A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was >bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a >number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were >sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the >new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of >feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived >from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as >well as his tears) should not be contained." > > -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 F A C T 4: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0056.html> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:38:10 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: >Nerthus wrote: >> "THE GREAT AWAKENING > >No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third >Great Awakening". > >You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... [Once again, yes I did. 1815-1850 does not equal early 18th century!] F A C T 5: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0143.html> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:54:09 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: >Nerthus Wrote: >> Uh, Hello? Your post entitled "1st Great Awakening" describes the exact >> same thing that I called simply, "The Great Awakening." It was not, as you >> say above, the 2nd one. > >They are they same if we ignore the fact that there is 50+ years between >the 1st (1700-1750) and the 2nd (1800-1850). >I did some looking around as well and other then Norton, yourself, and >whoever it was that made the original claim all references I can find to >the Great Awakening refer to the 1700-1750 event(s) as the first one to >occur in the America's. If I can find my Norton Anthology I'll take a >look at it, though it is 15+ years old. 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DIANA : The Unrevealed Pics (NEW URL)
by paparazzi＠www.kornet.nm.kr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"><FONT COLOR="#00FFFF" SIZE=3> Note : If you want your name permanently REMOVED from this list, please e-mail : removelist(a)mlweb.com For the first time on the internet, here are the UNREVEALED pics of DIANA ! Given the sensitive nature of the materials involved, only adults will access the site. Go to http://151.196.201.51/diana/ </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3>

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Tremble Bureaucrats
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Gov May Tighten Crypto Exports
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Markoff reports today on a plan to tighten crypto exports for non-bank financial companies and reactions from industry trying to loosen them: http://www.nytimes.com Mirrored: http://jya.com/tighten.txt

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BIOS Help
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, Does anyone know where specs for Award BIOS chips are? I accidentily locked mine and lost the password. -Brandon Crosby

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