December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you should also put something in there to educate the masses about how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good idea.

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JFK
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"The basis of effective government is public confidence, and that confidence is endangered when ethical standards falter or appear to falter." - JFK

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Norway - go to jail for naming baby illegal [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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It's Christmas Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It's Christmas Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: EAY, SSLeay, and Open Source (Re: [ssl-users] Re: C2Net announces OpenSSL Project)
by Soren 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > This is confusing, several people have alluded that there will be no > future versions of SSLeay from Eric and friends. Would someone in the > know care to divulge the goods: why is this? > > Has Eric suffered an accident? Been incarcerated by the Australian > spooks in retaliation for major contributions to crypto deployment? > Has he been bought out by the dark side (say microsoft?). Had a major > change of philosophy regarding open source? EAY was amongst the > "least likely to go closed source" I thought. > > What gives? I seem to to recall sometime ago when he was being pressured by the Oz Gubmint, and decided that going corporate was a decent way out. From what I recall, he ended up on the RSA payroll. Sayonara buggy freeware.

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Sammerseers Theft of Ben lauries Intellectual Property(i.e.apache
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net cc: Subject: Sameers ande C2 Nets Appropriation of Apache-SSL(Bens Code) -------- For the clueless or history deficient C2 gots its start by purloining without compensation Ben Lauries Apache-SSL patches.... Sameer used these and then had the fucking gall to remove source from apache-ssl for the mod_ssl.c... all was rosy until Ralf releases a mod_ssl.c of his design... result?? C2's business worlwide took a nose dive...(layoffs etc) so now Sameer is trying to coopt Ralf's mod_ssl.c project (mark my words if Sameer gets his way the source for future verions will NOT be available no matter what he says now...) I seen it happen once so now when the litte sob trys it again I am blowing the whistle...(and retelling history openly) how about it Sameer are you now going to Sue the Mix network:) ? the turds in Sameers Swimming pool p.s. to the clueless Jim Finder..Happy now asshole...? BTW I will post when and where I feel like !

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:50:34 -0600 (CST) > From: Missouri FreeNet Administration <measl(a)mfn.org> > Subject: Re: I must admit. . . > On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Reeza! finally got to the point of the matter: > > <massive snip> > :, that does not mean I'm willing to allow one > :expansionist dictator to sanction another country and gain control of > :enough of the worlds oil supply to impact the well-being of my country. > > I believe this is the the only true argument here. The US (and you) are > not "pleased" with the fact that the one place on the planet that has the > worlds largest oil deposits is not beholden to the USG. Actualy there are equivalent oil and gas deposits in SE Asia and Antartica. But they doesn't belong to the USG either. Of course the point is valid. Though it almost begs the question of why in such a situation there is not a more powerful search for alternatives. There are actualy very few technologies that care whether oil or gas is used in energy production or some entirely different process. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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and justice for all but the Goldmans and Jones
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:09 AM 12/24/98 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: >Anonymous writes: > >> I think about putting up about $200 or so (whetever a decent spamming >> will cost me) and spam the internet with the information about jurors >> rights and jury nullification. >> >> Anyone thinks that it is a good idea? > >No, it's a bad idea. The ends do not justify the means. > The ends: justice. The means: a common abuse, which perchance should be illegal like junkfax, but isn't. The means: in the late 90s the people had the chance, for a few years, before the XC Massacre, to publish without convincing corporations. Do the math.

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land of the free
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:24 PM 12/24/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you >should also put something in there to educate the masses about >how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good >idea. Trouble and expense of what? If you refer to the FIJA spamming, then you will simply confuse the sheeple with too many issues.

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spamactivism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:07 PM 12/24/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >I think about putting up about $200 or so (whetever a decent spamming >will cost me) and spam the internet with the information about jurors >rights and jury nullification. > >Anyone thinks that it is a good idea? Education can only be for the good. Got an anonymous ecash account of some sort? In either case, kudos.

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Re: Sammers eers Theft of Ben lauries Intellectual
by jim finder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous writes: >For the clueless or history deficient > >C2 gots its start by purloining without compensation >Ben Lauries Apache-SSL patches.... Sameer used these and then >had the fucking gall to remove source from apache-ssl >for the mod_ssl.c... all was rosy until Ralf releases >a mod_ssl.c of his design... result?? >C2's business worlwide took a nose dive...(layoffs etc) >so now Sameer is trying to coopt Ralf's mod_ssl.c project >(mark my words if Sameer gets his way the source for future >verions will NOT be available no matter what he says now...) >I seen it happen once so now when the litte sob trys it >again I am blowing the whistle...(and retelling history openly) >how about it Sameer are you now going to Sue the Mix network:) ? > > the turds in Sameers Swimming pool >p.s. to the clueless Jim Finder..Happy now asshole...? No, I'm afraid I'm not. Could you offer either verifiable evidence of the above, or at least back up your accusation by signing your name? Either would be better than making an anonymous accusation that we have no way to verify. I'm sorry I wasn't privy to what ever went on behind the scene between C2NET, Ben, Ralf, Eric, etc., but I think I speak for most readers when I admit that I wasn't. Ben made a serious accusation that an important member of the open sources and crypto community has a hidden agenda to subvert the availability of open source crypto code. If it is false, let this stop. If it's true, then let's shout it far and wide, and deny them the support of the community. Anonymous and unverifiable accusations advance neither case All I've seen so far is Ben and Sameer throwing shit at each other, egged on by anonymous flamers, without anymone bothering to provider enough information for an outsider to decide how much of it should stick. Right now, all I can conclude is that there is plenty of shit to go around. Ben, would you please spell out your side of the story, and Sameer, would you do likewise so that we can figure this out? Anonymous, put up or shut up. Jim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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mysterious PGP release-signing keys
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please excuse the crosspost, but does anyone know *who* generated and/or owns these keys? 0xBB1EEF1B Verify 0xC8501551 Verify Key for http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/* 0xAA9AE13F Verify PGP 6.0.2 PP - RSA 0x772B7382 VERIFY <VERIFY(a)gnwmail.com> They seem to be used for signing/verifying PGP releases (e.g. the 602 by CKT at Replay), but there's nothing on the keys that identifies the responsible engineer who compiled the source, nor do some of them seem to be certified by anyone in the WoT. Questions have been raised about the authenticity and security of those compiles and these keys. dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 Comment: Get interested in computers -- they're interested in YOU! iQA/AwUBNn11mJBN/qMowCmvEQI4IwCfad0S9Algw7PPDsgWChimC4Cx6dcAnjtu h2trwMi08tJMCD76W6W8DP/L =TFuT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Membership (One user says:)
by John Baskind 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[long and acrimonious discussion, at present ending with this message, clipped] > Let's recall that once this ``situation'' is resolved, the list of > volunteer members/coders will likely increase. Many, I'm sure, myself > included, have held back. I am following this discussion with some alarm, and I am sure that many others who rely on everyone involved in this acrimony to keep our sites running are too. I think competition is very important, and the sort of internal competition you lot are involved in is crucial to the continued speedy evolution of the critical software you are making ( for us users, please be reminded). Those who rely on your skills and expertise--in other words, the vast majority of Apache users, which means, apparently, some 50% of the active Web at this point, NEED you, all of you, as a group. to continue to share your brains and their collective product, with us. Because the vast majority of us couldn't do what you do if our lives depended on it. I use mod_ssl, purely because it seemed easier to install and compile than Apache_SSL, and I really like Ralf's installation notes, not because I formed any judgement about the relative excellence of mod_ssl over Apache_SSL. I am not capable of making that judgement--I rely on YOUR assessments! I really don't care if it actually is easier to install or not; --from my point of view, I honor Tim Hudson and Ben Laurie, Ralf Engelschall and all the less public members of the Apache Group equally. Each of you contributes in a different way to make my life, and therefore livelihood, simpler and more pleasant. Part of my skill set is political consulting--if there's anything I've learned, it is that mud not only sticks to both the flinger and flingee, but also clouds all the subsequent issues between both parties to a remarkably large degree.

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It's Christmast Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Twisted Tunes fans! Just a short note to let you know there are brand new Twisted Tunes in the Jukebox at http://www.twistedtunes.com We are stepping up our production schedule for '99, so we'll let you know as new songs are added. If you want to give someone that TWISTED CHRISTMAS gift, our online store is stocked with all titles and we ship daily. Go to http://www.twistedtunes.com/order to pick up a cool stocking stuffer. As always, thanks for your support... Bob Rivers PS. This is really me. I wrote this e-mail. Not a form letter. Honest. What do I got to do to prove it to you?

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It's Christmast Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Twisted Tunes fans! Just a short note to let you know there are brand new Twisted Tunes in the Jukebox at http://www.twistedtunes.com We are stepping up our production schedule for '99, so we'll let you know as new songs are added. If you want to give someone that TWISTED CHRISTMAS gift, our online store is stocked with all titles and we ship daily. Go to http://www.twistedtunes.com/order to pick up a cool stocking stuffer. As always, thanks for your support... Bob Rivers PS. This is really me. I wrote this e-mail. Not a form letter. Honest. What do I got to do to prove it to you?

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I want to spam the Jury Duty information
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you should also put something in there to educate the masses about how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good idea.

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OpenSSL
by Jack Rusher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I'm familiar with some background and some of the issues. Unfortunately, >what we are faced with is the idea that one group wants to "own" the >concept of an Open SSL project. This is certainly not the way to start >a successful, open source, group-based project. Hey, everybody, here is a novel idea: Why don't we look at this as a great opportunity to make some really good free software that will make all of our lives easier. It is time for the free SSL implementation to move into a larger (and more continously updated) group project. OpenSSL is a great idea, a great name for the idea, and it is the right time to do it. So, how about we stop looking at this as a pissing contest between some strong personalities? There are alot of talented developers on this list, and I think that we would all be better off working together than turning into a bunch of bitter, petty, ego driven camps that are primarily concerned with proving how large their genitals are. What I am trying to say is, if (for instance) Ben and Ralph would like to sit down for a pint and make nice with one another, I am buying. Name the pub, in the neutral country of your choice, and we are there. ;-) j.

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OpenSSL (whoever picks up the banner) Yeah!!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cc: Subject: Open Source separate from the Crypto export battle -------- Happy What ever to you all ! gee Anonymous... you seem to be quite angry... or a feeble provacateurs attempt to cause division in the ranks(Infowar Level 1 perhaps??) (as if there wasnt enough already...) I think its vitally important to recognize Sameers and C2Nets contribution to fighting against both the US bullshit export laws and to good quality cryptographic software... Stronghold while NOT open source has been a vital and much appreciated part of the battle against the eavesdroppers at the NSA/Interpol/GCHQ etc. I am however somewhat guarded about how Open Source OpenSSL will remain. For example will competitors to C2net be able to use it without licensing or fees to C2net in some form..? I would also like to thank Ben Laurie for making the patches available. A lot of sites run these worldwide. I sincerely wish the anonymous flamers would cease and desist you are contributing as much garbage as the average spammer to these lists If people dont make a profit from crypto activities... then there wont be any crypto... Again Sameer thanx for all you have done.. Seasons greetings Anon.

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No Subject
by rcballen＠mindspring.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GAY

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I want to spam the Jury Duty information
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you >should also put something in there to educate the masses about >how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good >idea. And while we're being hypocritical and stealing (oh, it's okay because it's for "education"), maybe we ought to educate about why spam is bad, and how crypto may help end spam. Right. About the only thing you people are going to accomplish is to alienate anybody who might care what you have to say. While you're spamming, maybe you can even make the Cypherpunks look really bad. Hell, go ahead and put the list address as the "From" address. It will shut down the list, make us look like idiots, and accomplish very little, but it's for a good cause. After all, the ends always justify the means. When the USG wants to storm your home with a squad of ninjas, that's okay, so long as they're checking for drugs or other evil things. Since it will keep us all safe, let's eliminate privacy rights. The idea of spamming for "educational purposes" is the most obscene and stupid I've heard on this list in a while. Both of you read "The Prince" one too many times.

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Have your MasterCard, Visa, American Express, and Discover Card ready and say, " I would like to order ___ bottles of High Octane." If you would like to order by mail, you can send in a check or money order, or credit card information, along with your name and street address (no PO Boxes please) and a day time phone number to: Euphoria Products Dept. 202 1859 No Pine Island Rd. Suite #133 Plantation, FL 33322 The Mailing List that you are being mailed from was filtered against a Global Filter List. If you would like not to recieve any other mailings of this type please call: 1-888-745-6328

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