December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Passport Guatemala/Nicaragua now even faster/2-3 weeks!
by helper1＠privacy-consultants.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello fellow Privacy Seeker, Sorry, it took a little longer to respond, as I just came back from my trip to Central America. I made the first deliveries, and both programs run very well. As we are getting into the christmas season things are getting somewhat busy. Please read below all additional expalanations and act accordingly. Some general guidelines, organized like a FAQ: 1. What is included? Gua: passport with entry-exit stamp of another Central American country, driver's license and cedula Nica: passport with exit stamp, driver's license and cedula 2. What is extra? Gua: name change 3000, naturalization papers 1500 Nica: name change 2000, naturalization papers 1000 3. Special features: Holders are entitled to naturalization in Spain after only two years' residency. This is valid for both countries. 4. Discounts available? As this is already a real bargain and is addressed to agents only, I will grant a 15% on orders of 2 or more GIVEN AT THE SAME TIME. 5. What is needed? Gua: Possible by mail: YES Validity of pp: VALID FOR LIFE Prolongation: EVERY 5 YEARS (AT ANY Guatemala EMBASSY OR CONSULATE) Docs legalized,notarized & registered: YES - IN ALL THE RIGHT COMPUTERS, REGISTRATION, LEGAL STAMPS, ETC. Dual nationality permitted: YES Residency possible: YES Extradition legally possible:DEPENDS ON YOUR FIRST NATIONALITY. EXTRADITON IS BETWEEN GOVT. TO GOVT. AGREEMENTS New identity/name change possible:YES (additional USD 5,000) Birth Certificate included: NO, AS THIS IS BY NATURALIZATION Double taxation agreements: DEPENDS AGAIN ON GOVT.-TO-GOVT. AGREEMENTS Travel opportunities: EXCELLENT - AS GOOD AS ANY SWISS OR CANADIAN PASSPORT! List of visa requirements: SEE BELOW Fee: US$ 10,000 Time frame: appr. 2-3 weeks after receipt of application & funds Fee for spouse: SAME AS FOR HUSBAND Fee for children under 18: DEPENDS Fee for children over 18: SAME AS FOR ADULT Photo requirements: 6 PHOTOS IN COLOR, showing the ears, no earrings or glasses 4 Photos in color for Cedula and Driver's License If you opt for name change, I do not need a copy of your current passport! Nica: same as above, except the following changes: travel opportunities: more limited, still working on a comprehensive visa list, difficult to get! Best advise is to check with your local airline, and ask them how visa requirements are for Nicaraguaians to travel to your favorite countries Fee: USD 7,500 Photo requirements: same If you opt for name change, I do not need a copy of your current passport! 6. Terms: Payment shall be 50 % deposit and the balance on delivery in 2-3 weeks. This includes delivery by courier worldwide, if personal delivery is requested, the client must bear with the additional costs. If interested, please inquire for the wire instructions, payments by wire transfer only. 7. Misc: THESE ARE NOT CHEAP FAKES!! This deal is possible based on long lasting personal relationships and donations to political groups. There is no intermediary in between, I do it myself!! 8. How to order: Please respond to privacy(a)privacy-consultants.com, I will give you: - the application form - the wire instruction - the address where to mail the photos Please bear in mind that this offer expires on Dec 31, 98. After that date prices will go up, some 60%!! Don't loose any more time now and reply asking me for the application form. Cordially Dr. Georg Adem ************************************************************************ "One person with a belief is equal to a force of ninety nine who only have interest." "In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king, until the other find out he can see. Then they kill him" Our home page: http://privacy-consultants.com/ or full mirror at: http://nauru-banker-net.com/ email to: assistant(a)privacy-consultants.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our affiliated site: http://www.1-trust.net/ or: http://onetrust.net/ providing top-notch offshore services, credit cards, etc. email to: quest(a)1-trust.net WE SELL PRACTICE, NOT THE THEORY! *************** Providing Privacy Consultancy Since 1978 **************** We strongly encourage encryption!! Here you get our public key: http://privacy-consultants.com/pgpkey_home.html P.S.: Last, but not least: Don't get fooled by cheap imitators, I saw what they deliver, and it is just not worth the paper it was printed on, at some back yard printer shop in Guatemala City! Stay with the person whom you can trust if it comes to passports, I know the ropes of this business better than anybody else!

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Tired of the Rat Race? Read and Build Wealth!!
by vinjac＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THIS IS IT FOLKS!! This is THE LETTER you've been READING about in the NEWS lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below, to see if it really can make people money. If you saw it, you know that their conclusion was that while most people did not make the $55,000, as discussed in the plan, EVERYONE who followed the instructions was able to make 100 to 160 times their money at the VERY LEAST. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. "This is one of the most exciting opportunities with the MOST income potential on the internet today!" --48 Hours. Hi, my name is Susan. After I saw this letter aired on the news program, I decided to get some of my skeptical questions answered. Question #1 - Does it really work? Until I try it, I can only go on the testimony of people I don't know, so I will only know if I try it. I've never done this type of thing, but I decided it was time to try something. If I keep doing what I am doing I'll keep getting what I've got. Besides, people 70 years old have been surveyed and they have consistently said that the 2 regrets they have had in their lives were that; 1) They wish they had spent more time with their families and 2) They wish they had taken more chances Upon hearing this again, and hearing what the MEDIA said about it, I decided that at 42, I was going to take a small chance and see what would come of it. Question #2 - Is it legal? - Yes, (Refer to title 18, Section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. Postal and Lottery Laws) This opportunity isn't much of a risk and could turn out to actually be a bit of fun. Bottom Line; The risk is only $20 and time on the Internet. The following is a copy of the letter that the media was referring to: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is a LEGAL, MONEYMAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, READ the directions, THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! You are about to embark on the most profitable and unique program you may ever see! Many times over, it has demonstrated and proven its ability to generate large amounts of cash! This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever-growing on-line population desirous of additional income. This is a legitimate, LEGAL, moneymaking opportunity. It does not require you to come in personal contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail and go to the bank! This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! Simply follow the easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dreams can come true! When followed correctly, this electronic, multi- level marketing program WORKS! Thousands of people have used this program to: - Raise capital to start their own businesses - Pay off debts - Buy homes, cars, etc., - Even retire! This is your chance, Don't pass it up! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, this is what we do: We send thousands of people a product that they paid us $5.00 US for, that costs next to nothing to produce and e-mail back to them. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi-level business online (via your computer). The products in this program are a series of four business and financial reports costing $5.00 each. Each order you receive is to include: * $5.00 cash United States Currency * The name and number of the report they are ordering * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they ordered. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. THAT'S IT! The $5.00 is yours! This is the EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE STAGGERING BENEFITS! +++++++++ I N S T R U C T I O N S +++++++++ This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you are to receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "d" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember that this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with your name and address, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. c. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. d. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #3 down to REPORT#4. e. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is removed from the list and has NO DOUBT collected large sums of cash! Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the WORLDWIDE WEB! Advertising on the WEB can be very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue, which you could use for advertising, is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone to take care of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will help guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! To grow fast be prompt and courteous. -------------------------------------- AVAILABLE REPORTS *Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME* Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA THE QUICKEST DELIVERY - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Inter-Line Systems PO Box 175 Milford, NJ 08848 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Galactic Whispers PO Box 291 Pittstown, NJ 08867 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: DEM 3 Tallyho Lane Bow, NH 03304 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: INFO-MEDIA PUBLICATIONS 100 E. WHITESTONE BLVD. SUITE 148-133 CEDAR PARK, TEXAS 78613 _____________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ---------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with $5.............$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).....................................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...................................$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)..................................$50,000 THIS TOTALS ---------------------------------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Lots of people get 100s of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month ****TIPS FOR SUCCESS**** * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." *ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ************YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE************ Follow these guidelines to help assure your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 50 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 50 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash can continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. **T E S T I M O N I A L S** This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 19 weeks, with money still coming in. Phillip A. Brown, Esq. I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA I am nearing the $90,000 mark from this program. I have used several forms of advertisement. I used regular mail and bulk e-mail. The regular mail that I used was very expensive for two reasons. I purchased a very select list of names and the postage. The third time I sent e-mails out, I did so in the quantity of 1 million. So, after 3 times participating in this program I am almost at the $90,000 mark. That isn't too bad. I hope the same success for you. Raymond McCormick, New Cannan, Ct. You have great potential for extra earnings that is available at your fingertips! You have unlimited access to wealth, but you must be willing to take that first step! The Media ALREADY PROVED That !!!! You could be making an obscene amount of money! I have given you the information, materials, and opportunity to become financially better off. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!- THINK ABOUT IT - Your risk is only $20.? HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON LOTTO TICKETS- for NO RETURN? ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!

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Net control attempted at the local level (Va.)
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A couple of recent Washington Post articles demonstrate Virginia's attempt at internet regulation. A case of restricting access to internet sites by public libraries in Loudoun Co. was ruled against by a federal court: http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-11/27/020l-112798-idx.h… A copy of the ruling: http://www.techlawjournal.com/courts/loudon/81123op.htm Virginia's governor, James Gilmore III, has appointed a commission on internet technology to recommend policies on guiding internet business and protecting internet users. Guidelines are touted by state officials as being the first in the nation to *protect* residents. Ratification of the recommendations is scheduled to take place at the College of William and Mary on wednesday, Dec. 2, 1998. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-11/29/216l-112998-idx.html Draft agenda of the meeting to be held on Dec. 2, titled "The State's Role in Responsible Internet Growth", is at: http://www.sotech.state.va.us/intagend.htm

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Re: SIGH... NOT!! THC tainted oranges
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: "Dr.G" <drg(a)pgh.org> > > I would certainly appreciate some pot. You need something stronger to ease the pain of being Grubor. > You use pot for medicine too, and the local supply > in nil. I may have to drive to the big Apple. Sorry, you've been sentenced to life in Pittsburgh. ---guy Boo hoo hoo > YOUR SEARCH REQUEST IS: > JOHN GRUBOR > > 1ST STORY of Level 1 printed in FULL format. > > Copyright 1982 U.P.I. > > March 31, 1982, Wednesday, AM cycle > > SECTION: Regional News > > LENGTH: 129 words > > DATELINE: PITTSBURGH > > BODY: > A disbarred Butler County attorney who admitted stealing $28,000 from a > client was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison Wednesday by an Allegheny > County Common Pleas Court judge. > > John Grubor, 36, of Butler, broke down and cried after Judge Robert E. > Dauer imposed the 11-to-23-month prison term to be served at the state > Correctional Institution at Greensburg, Westmoreland County. > > The judge also ordered that Grubor spend five years on probation after > completing the prison sentence. > > Grubor pleaded guilty last month to one count of theft by failure to > make required dispostion of funds entrusted to him. He admitted he bilked a > client out of $28,000 in a workmen's compensation settlement. > > The state Supreme Court disbarred Grubor as a result of the theft.

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eyeQ Signup (SID=2e4628740b7a7d730a7f6d783e3a10)
by registration＠evguide.intervu.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To complete the registration process, please reply to this e-mail. Make sure that "SID=2e4628740b7a7d730a7f6d783e3a10" appears somewhere in the subject line. Thank you for using eyeQ! eyeQ

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dctest remailer - remailer@dragoncon.net
by nobody＠dragoncon.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A new remailer will be up for the next two weeks. This is an attempt to play with and test the Win95 Reliable remailer software available at ftp://ftp.efga.org/privacy remailer(a)dragoncon.net is a Cypherpunk Type I remailer w/o Mix, which uses RSA keys. The operator had problems getting the later key types to work properly. Please send comments about the configuration and operation to admin(a)dragoncon.net

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Frames security hole
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:27:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Lindsay.Marshall(a)newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Frames security hole There is a description and demo of a security hole with frames in web browsers at http://www.securexpert.com/framespoof/start.html - there is a version that works without javascript enabled as well. http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Lindsay ------------------------------ I checked it out, and it's way cool. You open some frame-using target page, such as www.citibank.com, in Netscape or Internet Exploder, and cliok on their hack, and a new frame appears on the target page, replacing some frame that belonged there. They say they can fake out Netscape's "key" icon that claims that an https: page is secure, though I didn't have any handy frame-based https pages to test with. Technical Discussion: http://www.securexpert.com/framespoof/tech.html Some defenses http://www.securexpert.com/framespoof/defense.html ==> but the rel defense is getting your browser vendor to fix the browser. Meanwhile, don't trust any web page with frames with any information you care too much about. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Internet Society: 1999 Board of Trustees Call for Nominations
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm currently serving a 3-year term on the Board of Trustees of the Internet Society, and have volunteered for the nominations committee. The board is elected by the membership; every year five or six Trustees are elected to three-year staggered terms. I would like to see talented people who care about the future of society serve on the board. I know there are many such among the cypherpunks. If you are willing to serve on the Board, please nominate yourself, or if you know someone who's willing to serve and who you think would be good, please nominate them. Send such nominations to isoc-noms(a)isoc.org. The message below gives all the details. Not everyone nominated will be on the ballot; the nominations committee will winnow it to a list of ten or fifteen people. And among those people, only the top five vote-getters will be elected by the membership. Anyone who the nominations committee doesn't pick for the ballot, can get on it anyway, if they submit a petition from 65 Internet Society members to put their name on the ballot. That's how I got on the ballot when I was elected a few years ago. (IETF is a great place to run around and get people to sign your petition.) Being a Trustee makes you responsible for the acts of the Internet Society. And you get to help decide what those acts will be. It's an unpaid, volunteer job. You get to fly (at your own expense) to the board meetings a few times a year. ISOC has done many good things, like training people in a hundred countries how to set up the first Internet node there. Like publicly stating (in RFC 1984) that it will ignore US export controls when designing worldwide Internet crypto protocols. Like working hard to resolve the mess around domain-name and IP-address administration, and the mess around the "Internet" trademark. ISOC also provides the organizational structure for the IETF and the Internet Architecture Board. ISOC will probably do many more good things -- particularly if it has good people as Trustees! Whether or not you want to be a Trustee, I encourage you to join the Internet Society as a member -- see http://www.isoc.org/isoc/membership/ John Gilmore Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981118080715.00927100(a)pop.isoc.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:07:15 -0500 From: Internet Society <members(a)ISOC.ORG> Subject: 1999 Board of Trustees Call for Nominations 1999 Internet Society Board of Trustees Elections Call for Nominations On 26 February 1999, ballots will be posted for the election of new Internet Society Trustees. Election Day is scheduled for 3 May 1999, when received ballots will be opened and tallied. Internet Society members will be asked to elect FIVE Trustees who will serve three year terms. The role of a Trustee is detailed in the Internet Society By-Laws (not included in this notice but available on the Internet Society web server): http://www.isoc.org/trustees/ This notice is a call from the ISOC Nominations Committee for nominations of candidates for election. Nominations are to be forwarded to this committee via: - electronic mail to: isoc-noms(a)isoc.org or - fax to +1 703 648 9887 or - postal mail to: Internet Society 12020 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 210 Reston, VA 20191-3429 U.S.A. Attention: 1999 Nominations Committee Nominations are to reach the committee no later than 17 December 1998 in order to ensure due consideration of the nomination by the committee. Nominations (in the form of agreed nominations, suggestions or volunteers) are to include the name of the nominated individual, contact details and a brief explanation of the basis of the nomination. The committee will confirm with the candidates their willingness to stand for election as a nominated candidate if so selected. Nominees will also be requested to provide the committee with further personal details (in the format of a curriculum vita) as they relate to the selection guidelines that are to be applied by the committee, and provide to the committee a statement indicating their willingness and ability to devote an appropriate level of time to activities associated with the position of Trustee of the Internet Society. It is intended that the committee's selection process will result in 10 candidates for election as nominated candidates. This list will be passed to the Elections Committee on 19 December 1998, as well as informing voting members of the Society of the selected nominees. Additional candidates for election to the Board of Trustees may be nominated by membership petition, filed with the Chair of the Nominating Committee no later than 22 January 1999. A petition for the 1999 election will require the signatures of sixty-five voting ISOC members (1% of the total voting members). Specific details of the petition process will be included in the announcement of nominated candidates on 19 December 1998. Following the closure of the petition period, the list of the nominated and petitioned candidates will be announced 29 January 1999. The Election Committee will mail the ballots out to ISOC voting members on 26 February 1999 and the election date is set to be 3 May 1999. Sincerely, Kees Neggers Chair, ISOC Nominations Committee Kees.Neggers(a)SURFnet.nl tel: +31 302 305 305 fax: +31 302 305 329 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A. The 1999 ISOC Nominations Committee membership 1. Kees Neggers, Netherlands<Kees.Neggers(a)SURFnet.nl> 2. John Gilmore, US<gnu(a)TOAD.COM> 3. Jun Murai, Japan<jun(a)WIDE.AD.JP> 4. Leni Mayo, Australia<leni(a)moniker.net> 5. Steve Wolff, US<swolff(a)cisco.com> 6. Kim Claffy, US<kc(a)sdsc.edu> 7. Jill Foster, UK<Jill.Foster(a)newcastle.ac.uk> Committee Email address: isoc-noms(a)isoc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ B. Nominations Committee Selection Guidelines Candidates for ISOC Trustee should have a demonstrable involvement in the Internet. Such involvement may range from participation as a technology developer, researcher, user, network operator, policy maker (e.g. in government), sponsor of research and development. ISOC is interested in broadly-based representation on the Board of Trustees and seeks to identify candidates from industry, education and non-profit sectors and from government. The selection criteria will be directed to selecting a broad range of interests, and will include criteria of regional location, current activities, relevant experience and professional background. Ten candidates will be selected by this committee, using the criteria as outlined above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ C. A Profile of the current Board of Trustees "#" marks board positions that are expiring. "&" marks board members who have indicated that they will not or cannot be candidates for re-election. The current membership (as of 1 November, 1998) of the Board of Trustees is as follows: #&Scott Bradner 1993-1999 USA <sob(a)harvard.edu> Vint Cerf 1992-2001 USA <vcerf(a)mci.net> #&Susan Estrada 1993-1999 USA <sestrada(a)aldea.com> #&David Farber 1993-1999 USA <farber(a)cis.upenn.edu> John Gilmore 1997-2000 USA <gnu(a)toad.com> Christian Huitema 1995-2001 France <huitema(a)bellcore.com> Geoff Huston 1992-1995, 1998-2001 Australia <gih(a)telstra.net> Christine Maxwell 1997-2000 France <maxwell(a)chiliad.com> Jun Murai 1997-2000 Japan <jun(a)wide.ad.jp> Kees Neggers 1992-1996, 1998-2001 <Kees.Neggers(a)SURFnet.nl> Tim O'Reilly 1995-2001 USA <tim(a)ora.com> Jose Luis Pardos 1997-2000 Spain <104056.110(a)compuserve.com> #George Sadowsky 1996-1999 USA <george.sadowsky(a)nyu.edu> Ben Segal 1997-2000 Suisse <B.Segal(a)cern.ch> #Vacancy Donald Heath Ex-officio USA <heath(a)isoc.org> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ D. Procedures for Nomination and Election of Trustees 1. Trustee Positions to be Filled The Board of Trustees will advise the Nominating Committee of the number of Trustee positions to be filled by vote of the individual members at each annual election. The Board may also advise the Nominating Committee of its desires with respect to the backgrounds of individuals to be nominated in order to achieve the balance of experience and qualifications required by the provisions of By-Law Article III, Section 2, which provides that "the Board shall seek to have among the Trustees representative individuals from industry, from educational and nonprofit organizations and from government." 1.1 Date of Election The Board of Trustees will annually adopt a timetable for Trustee elections. The election date shall be not less than 40 days prior to the next Annual Meeting of the Society. 1.2 Use of Electronic Mail All communications concerning the nomination and election of Trustees shall be in the form of electronic mail except the ballot, which shall be in the form of first class postal mail or FAX. Members of the Society who are not reachable by electronic mail may participate in the nomination process by postal mail or FAX. 2. Nominating Committee The Board of Trustees will annually appoint a Trustee Nominating Committee. The Nominating Committee will consist of 7 individual members of the Society, 5 of whom shall constitute a valid quorum. The Chair of the Nominating Committee shall be a member of the Board of Trustees. 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No Subject
by vaneijk59＠sara.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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y2k/gary north delusions
by Martinus Luther 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

VNZ quoted Gary North: > Astronomy is a precise science. It can predict > events such as this one with remarkable accuracy. > The astronomers do not know how intense this > shower will be, but they know for certain that tonight > will be the highest density night. Actually they were 10 or 12 hours out - which in Europe at any rate had the effect that the highest density night was't the one predicted :-) But I agree with you. This whole apocalyptic take on the thing is (almost certainly) wrong. (Of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare for it... if you honestly thought that spending a few hundred dollars could save you from a 1% chance of death, you'd probably do it. If the 99% turns out to be true what have you got - a year's supply of baked beans & sardines in tomato sauce) Computers will crash - or rather more seriously applications will produce bad results, this is much more an application problem than an OS problem - in fact things are already going wrong. But it won't happen all in one big bang on the 1st of January. Things will get slowly worse for the next year, the rate of problems will go up, more people will be knocking up quick-and-dirty work-arounds and fewer people working on new projects. North looks at it as a programming problem - but it's not, not when it actually hits, it then becomes ann operations problem. And operators, system programmers & system administrators are used to working with computer systems that don't work. They do it every day. And the peopel who rely on computer systems are used to working when they go down. And if they aren't there are all those middle-aged middle-managers they laid off in the downsizing who can come back and show them how it used to be done. There will be hassle and hard work and very possibly a depression. But there is very, very unlikely to be the kind of catastrophic failure that North seems to long for. And even if it does fall out that way, he's wrong about cities as well. We *know* cities survive a hell of a beating, we saw it again and again in WW2. (Take a look at a picture of Hamburg in August 1943. They rebuilt that. Themselves, starting the day after) The complete physical destruction of the infrastructure of a city does not kill a city. A city is made of *people*, not buildings. People with the skills that make cities work, and people who - just because they are in a city - need to get along to make cities work. If all our big systems go down we will rebuild them. And what's more we'll rebuild them quickest in the big cities, because it's the big cities that have the concentration of people with the skills, and perhaps more importantly, the motivation to rebuild them. (Anyway, despite North, in the event of a complete collapse of business and government probably the worst place to be is the outer suburbs. You need fuel to get around (in the inner cities everything is close by). If there are refugees from cities they have to pass through the suburbs - and there is a lot more to steal there than there is on the open countryside & a lot fewer people to stop you than in the city centres.) *Real* rural life will continue of course, because people have the land and the skills to use it. And becauwse they tend to have stores. I don't know if it would be a very prosperous rural life for most people in the "developed" parts of the world though. I wonder what the sudden withdrawl of pesticides, herbicides, fertiliser, & fuel to fly the crop-sprayer would do to yields on the average American industrial farm? If the year 2000 is half as bad as North says it will be there will be a massive change in the balance of economic power away from North America and towards the so-called Third World. It looks like Gary North isn't really interested in the year 2000 problem. What he is interested in seems to be guns. He's latched on to this issue because it allows him to think and write more about guns. And, like so many other gunwankers he seems to get off fantasising about the total collapse of civil society because that way he gets to feel good about his guns. All this obession with death and destruction is a bit strange in someone rumoured to be a Christian. Of course where I am in London it's all academic. The nearest genuine open country is maybe 150 miles away, in a different nation, on the other side of the Channel. Most of what passes for countyside in the south of England is really exurbia, a sort of huge extended suburbia got up to look rural. Less than one percent of the population actually works on the land. We have more computer programmers than farmers. Most people in London have never even met a farmer. If it all falls over we will just have to put it back up again because there is no-where else to go. Hey, maybe North is right about the USA. Maybe all the programmers will leave town to starve in the country. Maybe the systems will never get fixed. Maybe heavily armed gangs will take over the cities. Maybe you never will rebuild your civilization. I hope not. But if it does turn out that way we'll send you some foreign aid. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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F.U.D. ... or "The Webmaster of this site is on more than weed"
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I came across a funny article about a "CIA, DEA, FBI, Lucent Technologies, Replay.com, Seed-bank.com Grand Conspiracy" at http://members.tripod.com/~spookbusters/sunnysnooping.htm Made for some interesting reading, and certain aspects of the site do merit discussion/investigation. Regards, Ken Williams Packet Storm Security http://www.Genocide2600.com/~tattooman/ E.H.A.P. Head of Operations http://www.ehap.org/ ehap(a)ehap.org NC State CS Dept http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/ jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu PGP DSS/DH/RSA Keys http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/pgpkey/ _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free, Encrypted Email at http://www.nsa.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNmKwiJDw1ZsNz1IXAQFV/Qf/TJLUEDFq8wJhgO7LLEAbBnwnZHm8jWjm 7J5KquhZXopBzZtTXb/GCitu7Wzo+MZZLi2UrtPysnyEJGgBBAqLN38NShwwS4bT iwd5MyUW37l4Ha4S2rn3HdneVcJlHLn53y9f6xaMDyW1uXbbVtfDEdXCnFXO5In1 URraEyPeNCYvvj5n2gcUeePIK1N+zLHgyRcaaAgjpVWFo6/lV/51YuLbWtC7obqS J76Ixeu1qbLV9LiYq4BsiBB8E+AemZ3Cq8U/8L1zjiUNxj5APgVG3QlNV1jjdO9H t/8c0s602IcVJJYMZhhBs4eCNvIi1dpi5Hn7VeUxsKnANm8OwJm6Fg== =GUk5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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more FUD!
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Interesting FUD-related thread on my message board that is tied in to the mail i just sent... http://www.genocide2600.com/~tattooman/wb/messages/1011.html Regards, Ken Williams Packet Storm Security http://www.Genocide2600.com/~tattooman/ E.H.A.P. Head of Operations http://www.ehap.org/ ehap(a)ehap.org NC State CS Dept http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/ jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu PGP DSS/DH/RSA Keys http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/pgpkey/ _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free, Encrypted Email at http://www.nsa.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNmKxg5Dw1ZsNz1IXAQFkfggAxXMR36cFDQj7drU1u2mqOrNyxIl9Ao0t SwqmoRApPwZgfnS9AG4OvVFj4DZ/vcU0YQp+lNFdlJmP/xI4CpSN+8iKS03avYdD IlasuNLV26bICpqy4cZvux1bZl2W3aaKyfPhK6nA27E83C+O3itiihqkPj/BW91Y jgCF9acVGp/axdGqjtevxXEn2cF7jqR3XzekNTtYjOj1kKhTcto9B6eZzlFu1xBy RHQa95t6SeIKsmXaEbAK0J+ztn5YomuLTT1knlZg0z3myCQ/FOuyy9/DPIU99ijv mSaGoByccUH72/H0pTyUHhmSMYAW2tTQyWqJdKnHwMGcn7V5INa1Jg== =EwZu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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custom protocol = job security
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:54 AM 11/30/98 -0600, Brown, R Ken wrote: >> Dianelos Georgoudis[SMTP:dianelos@tecapro.com] described a security system > >If I was a bank I would be very wary of proposals like "We would write our >own transmission protocol. " That seems to introduce yet more complexity, custom protocol = job security

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Re: F.U.D. ... or "The Webmaster of this site is on more than weed"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ken Williams writes: > I came across a funny article about a "CIA, DEA, FBI, Lucent > Technologies, Replay.com, Seed-bank.com Grand Conspiracy" at > http://members.tripod.com/~spookbusters/sunnysnooping.htm This is a critique of an article describing a way to do anonymous email and how to use remailers. The original article proposed using the Lucent privacy proxy at www.lpwa.com as an intermediary to a free email server like hotmail. The critique got all hot and bothered over the fact that Lucent is a government contractor and so the original post must have been a plant by the FBI. In fact, the LPWA-Hotmail technique is suitable for moderately secure anonymity but not for lawbreaking. This poster has used the technique occasionally for over a year. It is certainly better than hotmail alone, since hotmail includes the originating IP address in its outgoing email. By using LPWA, the originating IP field holds the LPWA IP address, and the actual originating IP address is not revealed. However, as LPWA clearly states in their privacy policy (http://lpwa.com:8000/policy.html) they keep logs of connections, and will make those available to law enforcement if presented with a court order. This would make it possible to track down the originating IP which sent the mail. Despite its limitations, this technique has the advantages of ease of use and moderate security. All you have to do is to set the lpwa.com proxy in your browser, and use hotmail for email. You can both send and receive email, which is hard to do with any other technique. It is comparable in security and convenience to the late anon.penet.fi server, which did much to increase awareness of anonymity technologies on the net. (The original article was titled "Quick and Dirty Anonymity", which seems an accurate enough description.)

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Re: "Export" controls
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Export farce is just a neat way of scaring companies and individual > contributors from developing and providing cryptographic systems > within US. > 100% accurate, but old, conclusions. > Anyone providing domestic crypto runs the risk of violating EARs. > Manufacturers are ultimately responsible when their products end up > overseas... > Can you give me an example of a commercial vendor who has suffered because someone bought a "dangerous" product ( Windows, for example ) at retail and carried it out of the country in a suitcase? My guess would be that anything sold at retail would pose no problem for the manufacturer unless domestic regulations were in place. Even then the retailer is the first in line for questioning. > [ For example, try to buy one of IBM crypto-cards - give them a call > and ask what does it take to purchase one with hard crypto on it > Save me the phone call and describe your experience. BTW - IBM derives a large portion of its revenues from government contracts. They would be pretty easy to convince. An non-dependant might be different. > Would a US citizen have to produce ID in order to buy ? > Not until there are domestic regulations. Except for firearms, cigarettes, alcohol and prescription drugs I can't think of any. My guess would be that start-up manufacturers could get their tails twisted long before the retail shelf: Personal Audits Business Audits Supplier problems ( caused by similar techniques being threatened or applied ) FCC EMI Test Delays and Failures Credit Problems Lots of Traffic Tickets for everyone. It could be fun to try an embedded product. Make some development kits then try to license it. Let a manufacturer with some resources handle the heavy lifting. If you have trouble with that give 'em the bird - just write a damn book, source, VHDL etc. You can even export that. My favorites are: Secure phone - I know it exists already but still fun Disk encryptor - SCSI/EIDE, a bump in the wire between the motherboard and the disk drive. With its own smartcard/keypad interface, keys are never seen by OS. It doesn't solve the security problem while the system is on but it sure as hell makes the disk useless to opponents once it has been shut off. Good storage. Effectively shredded if you destroy the smart card or forget the key. The proper way to keep your data as long as the courts respect the Fifth Amendment. Oh well, Mike

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Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (fwd)
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > Back in the mid-80s, Princeton University got some SDI money for the > Massive Memory Machine Project, researching what you could do if > you had enough memory for anything you wanted. Even with the > CS approaches of the time, you'd do a lot of things differently. > Their non-massive toy machine was a 1.5MIPS VAX with 128MB RAM - > which took 10 extension racks to hold all the RAM. > These days 128MB is cheap, as are 500 MIPS P2s, but 50GB of RAM > is still bigger than most machines' busses will hold, > and even 2GB of DRAM is a lot bigger and more power-hungry than > most laptops can really support, much less 2GB of fast SRAM. There used to be a rule of thumb that you'd want roughly a megabyte per megahertz. Today, with our 200+ MHz processors, we tend to have considerably less memory than this. My Gateway PC from a couple of years ago came with a 200 MHz Pentium Pro but only 32 MB of memory. Most PCs today are not well balanced architecturally. They should really have a couple hundred megabytes of memory. Memory is cheap enough today that this can be added, but the motherboard configuration may limit the amount. If you had this much memory, swapping to disk would be a smaller problem. As for the idea of running without a disk drive, see the handheld PDAs like the PalmPilot and the Microsoft WinCE machines. The problem with these from the security standpoint is that the memory is non-volatile. With a PC, we don't worry too much about junk in memory because we turn it off occasionally. We are concerned about the disk because that is where the persistent storage is. But with a memory-only machine, you end up using your memory as a de-facto disk drive, so that the contents of memory become just as sensitive as the contents of disk would be on a PC. Someone who gets hold of your PDA can dump out memory and find sensitive data which is stored there. Theoretically you can use a password to protect data, but then there are tradeoffs between security and ease of use, and you may end up leaving data exposed for extended periods. But speaking of using passwords to protect data, how about an encrypted swapfile for a PC? There are fast enough ciphers today that the virtual memory system could encrypt data as it swaps to the disk, and decrypt as it loads back into memory. You'd type in the passphrase at boot time. This would solve the problem of sensitive data leaking onto the disk via the swapfile. There could still be traces in memory, but at least this most obvious leak would be plugged. You don't have to wait for apps to be rewritten to use secure memory allocation drivers, you get the benefit immediately. Can existing encrypting-filesystem drivers be used for swapfiles?

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Re: y2k+oil refineries
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

North's "scrap the refinery, the chip broke" scenario was forwarded to comp.software.year-2000 by Paul Milne, resident doomsayer, foul-mouthed religious fanatic, economic Marxist, and all around kook. It prompted a very knowledgable reply which pointed out how silly the whole idea was, from someone with relevant experience. Maybe next time Detweiler could check c.s.y2k to filter out North's nuttier ideas before forwarding them here. Author: SAG Email: stephen.and.marilyn.goldstein(a)worldnet.att.net Date: 1998/12/01 fedinfo(a)halifax.com wrote: > > From GN: > > Category: > Noncompliant_Chips > Date: > 1998-11-30 13:28:22 > Subject: > Fuel Production Plants > > * * * * * * * * > > I have one very, very reliable source within that industry who tells me that > the oil refining industry can't cope with the task. I am told that the problem > of embedded systems can NOT be fixed EVER, no matter how much time were > allowed. WHY? Because the refineries themselves would have to be dismantled to > uncover these embedded systems. Essentially, the refineries would have to be > destroyed and rebuilt!!! These embedded systems are buried within enclosed > systems. Identifying, testing and replacing these systems is too impractical. > It is financially unsound to do so. The better option is to build new ones. > There is no time to do this with less than 400 days left and the time to build > a new refinery is 3 to 5 years. > > So, what does this mean? My sources, especially the most reliable source tell > me that it means that on January 1, 2000... the oil and gas refineries will > cease operations. These facilities also have converted their inventory > management control systems to small inventory levels so that inventory levels > are running about 1 to 2 days capacity. A few years ago, the industry averaged > a 1 to 6 month supply in storage tanks. Not so today. > > The results: By 1/5/2000 there will be no gasoline, no diesel fuel, no > natural gas, no heating oil, no fuel oil products at all. This means trains > will have no fuel. Trucks will have no fuel. Cars will have no fuel. Electric > Power Plants will have no oil for fuel, nor coal... because there will be no > fuel to power the vehicles to get it to them. So, there will be no > electricity. And you know the remaining domino schematic from that point. > > ====== > > I have no way of knowing whether the embedded systems are just that, embedded > in such a way that they can not be accessed. I imagine that some could be > under fifty feet of concrete or otherwise inaccessable. If this is so, then > there is not the slightest doubt at all, that it is indeed all over. Period. > > I am not going to bandy about the issue of whether this source is reliable or > not. It makes no difference. The only thing I am concerned with is whether > these systems are in fact inaccessable. I know that not every system is > inaccessable. The question is whether there are enough inaccessable systems to > mean that the refineries etc. will not function. > > Of course, I would love to hear someone counter this with evidence showing > that what has been related above is not true, or it is an urban myth etc. > But, I would like 'evidence'. Not conjecture or inuendo or suppositions. > > If it were so, that there were indeed these inaccessable systems, would the > companies involved let it be known publically? I think not. > > If this report is accurate, the remediation is 100% moot as I have said all > along, and you can kiss your butt good-bye. I'm not sure if I want to play this game Mr. Milne -- you offer this article which is, conjecture, innuendo and supposition but demand that any counter story be documented by "evidence." That's pretty tough and, frankly, I'm not up to the task as my knowledge is with electric power plants -- not oil refineries. They do, of course, share some important characteristics and so I'll give it a try. The approach will be from two perspectives -- first, I'll explain some power plant construction practices that contradict the refinery story; second, I'll offer another review of the nature of the "embedded" systems that might be at issue. Power Plant (and refinery) construction . . . . Remember, power plants and refineries are: o Capital intensive o Make increased use of computerized process control systems o Operate a continuous manufacturing/conversion process employing high temperatures and pressures. Typical design life of a coal-fired power plant is 40 years. During that period, any number of components *will* fail and *will have to be replaced.* Wouldn't make much sense to put a $500million investment at risk 'cause a $20.00 part failed in some inaccessible location. Thus EVERYTHING is accessible. You want evidence and I'm not about to take you on a power plant tour but even if you've never been inside a power plant the construction practice is similar to that found in many other industrial settings and, if you've ever been aboard a naval vessel or taken a cruise, ships. These settings are nothing like your home (or even an office) with all the infrastructure components nicely hidden behind walls -- pipes are exposed and clearly labeled -- power and control cables are laid in exposed cable trays and risers. Electronic components are often mounted in racks with easy access from front and back -- probably not at all like your computer or home theatre configuration. All this is to PERMIT MAINTENANCE, REPAIR and MODIFICATION. So you need to understand that the problem isn't just maintenance, in general, or for y2k. Process plants need to be modified frequently -- market conditions demand a change in inputs or outputs. Can't get enough sweet crude? Exxon doesn't close the refinery -- they modify it to handle the new feedstock (I got the grand tour from a fellow I knew who worked at Exxon's Baton Rouge refinery, years ago). Want some pictures? Here are a few from several "continuous process" industries: http://www.powerprocesspiping.com/, http://www.bdmechanical.com/ppiping.htm, http://silverweb.nf.ca/m&m/cb-p&p.htm, and http://www.shambaugh.com/process.htm. Now consider the nature of these embedded components. This has been the subject of much discussion in csy2k. I'd like to suggest that there are three broad categories of components in this context: o The control system(s) -- SCADA -- one or more intelligent nodes build on traditional minicomputer, or more recently, microprocessor-based server technology. These are very accessible -- they're in, adjacent to, or very near, the control room. In an even more modern "distributed control system," some of the capability will be located in different areas of the plant. Nevertheless, they still have to be very accessible -- stuff breaks -- memories get hard, multibit errors, disk drives fail, etc. o Remote devices -- the control systems can't run without data and so you have dozens to thousands of remotes -- devices that measure process parameters (temperature, pressure, mass flow, volumetric flow, acceleration and mechanical position (valve position or tank levels)) and a smaller number of remotes that can act on SCADA commands (start a motor, open a valve, etc.) Though most of these devices are pretty dumb, some may have a bit of silicon-based intelligence and therefore susceptible to y2k problems. BUT, they all have to be accessible because 1) they malfunction or need to be recalibrated and 2) plant modifications often require removal/replacement to accommodate process changes. o Embedded systems -- I think that the consensus is that the real embedded systems are those systems that are not obviously run by a computer -- the power plants water chemistry analyzer or the refineries gas chromatograph. These are on the site but they're not in the "plant" -- they're in the lab -- very accessible. Now "accessible" doesn't always mean you can walk right up and touch it! Guess where the flue gas monitoring remotes (temperature, opacity) are located -- top of the boiler or in the stack. But here's the scenario -- opacity indicator increases (flue gas has more smoke in it) but the stack gas "looks" clear. Do you shut down the plan on environment limits or do you send a maintenance man to replace the remote? Now is it possible that conditions would be different at an oil refinery. Sure, like I wrote at the beginning, I'm not really familar with these. But, really, we'd be looking at some obtuse examples -- imagine that rather than using a tank level indicator to see how much gasoline is in a tank, someone came up with the bright idea of putting a strain gauge *under* the tank and determing the amount of product in the tank but computing the weight on the gauge and using that to compute the amount of product. The device fails and, we'll all agree, it is not practical to replace it. Does the refinery stop using the tank? I wouldn't think so. They retrofit a traditional tank level indicator (float) to provide the needed information. HTH, SAG

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Big Brother Banks? FDIC has snooping plans
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text <snippetasnippeta> >Big Brother Banks? FDIC has snooping plans >By David M. Bresnahan >Copyright 1998 WorldNetDaily.com > > > Are you a potential criminal? Are you a threat to banks, airlines, a >potential spy, or perhaps an IRS tax protester? The government >would like to know and they are about to force banks to be their >detectives. > >The federal government wants banks to investigate you. Soon your >banker will know more about you than anyone else in town. Banks >must not only determine your correct identity, they must also know >how you make your money, and how you spend it. Once you >establish a pattern of deposits and withdrawals, banks must inform >federal agencies when you deviate. > >Bank customers may soon find themselves explaining to the FBI, >Internal Revenue Service, and the Drug Enforcement Agency why >they made a $15,000 deposit to their bank account. According to >current Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation plans, banks will >soon establish "profiles" of their customers and report deviations >from those profiles. > >If you sell a car, for example, and place the proceeds in your >account while you shop for a new one, a red flag may go off in the>bank > computer. Such a situation puts law abiding citizens in a >situation where they must prove they are innocent, says Scott >McDonald of the watchdog group Fight the Fingerprint. > >An uproar from grass roots Americans is the only thing that will >stop the current plans for the FDIC "Know Your Customer" >program, according to McDonald. His organization has led the >charge against the national ID, medical ID, and computerized >information about private aspects of people's lives. > >A recent announcement by the FDIC provides for citizen comment >prior to implementation of their new banking regulations. The >deadline for comments is Dec. 27, 1998. > >"The FDIC is proposing to issue a regulation requiring insured >nonmember banks to develop and maintain 'Know Your Customer' >programs," according to a recent FDIC information package sent >to Congress to provide notice of proposed rulemaking, and to >banks for comment. > >"As proposed," the 29-page FDIC document begins, "the >regulation would require each nonmember bank to develop a >program designed to determine the identity of its customers; >determine its customers' source of funds; determine the normal >and expected transactions of its customers; monitor account >activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and >expected transactions; and report anytransactions of its customers >that are determined to be suspicious, in accordance with the >FDIC's existing suspicious activity reporting regulation. By >requiring insured nonmember banks to determine the identity of >their customers, as well as to obtain knowledge regarding the >legitimate activities of their customers, the proposed regulation will >reduce the likelihood that insured nonmember banks will become >unwitting participants in illicit activities conducted or attempted by >their customers. It will also level the playing field between >institutions that already have adopted formal 'Know Your >Customer' programs and those that have not." > >Many banks across the country have already begun to implement >such programs, according to the FDIC. A quick search of the >Internet found many stories in press accounts of problems reported >at such banks. There have been a number of stories dealing with >banks requiring fingerprints to open accounts and to cash checks. >There are several lawsuits presently underway testing the right of >banks to make that requirement. > >McDonald has been fighting that issue, along with fingerprints on >driver's licenses for some time. He pointed out the many errors >found on credit reports and suggested that banks will soon make >similar errors when they begin creating profiles of their customers. > >The FDIC is selling the planned regulations by pointing out the >need for prevention of financial and other crime. > >"By identifying and, when appropriate, reporting such transactions >in accordance with existing suspicious activity reporting >requirements, financial institutions are protecting their integrity and >are assisting the efforts of the financial institution regulatory >agencies and law enforcement authorities to combat illicit activities >at such institutions," says the FDIC. > >The proposed regulation is, according to FDIC spokesperson Carol >A. Mesheske, authorized by current law. It comes from the >statutory authority granted the FDIC under section 8(s)(1) of the >Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 18189s)(1), as amended >by section 259(a)(2) of the Crime Control Act of 1990 (Pub. L. >101-647). > >The FDIC claims that the law requires them to develop regulations >to require banks to "establish and maintain internal procedures >reasonably designed to ensure and monitor compliance with the >Bank Secrecy Act. Effective 'Know Your Customer' programs >serve to facilitate compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act." > >The proposed regulations will mandate that all banks insured by >the FDIC must maintain an intelligence gathering department that >screens out customers and keeps an eye on existing customers. >Before you decide to move your money to a credit union, you >should know that the FDIC is not the only federal organization >making such plans. > >"Each of the other Federal bank supervisory agencies is proposing >to adopt substantially identical regulations covering state member >and national banks, federally-chartered branches and agencies of >foreign banks, savings associations, and credit unions. There also >have been discussions with the Federal regulators of non-bank >financial institutions, such as broker-dealers, concerning the need >to propose similar rules governing the activities of these non-bank >institutions," reports FDIC attorney Karn L. Main in the proposal. > >The purposes for the regulation are to protect the reputation of the >banks, to facilitate compliance with the law, to improve safe and >sound banking practices, and to protect banks from being used by >criminals as a vehicle for illegal activities. > >Current customers will be subjected to the new regulation in the >same way new customers will be scrutinized. The FDIC does not >wish to permit any loop hole which would leave any bank >customer unidentified or unsupervised. > >Each bank will create profiles. The first profile will determine the >amount of risk a potential customer might present by opening an >account. The system of profiling potential customers will be >different from one bank to the next, since the FDIC does not >provide a uniform program. The purpose of the profile is to >identify potential customers who might use a bank account for >funds obtained through criminal activity. > >The next profile will be one that is used by automated computers >to determine when suspicious activity is taking place in an account. >When activity in the account does not fit the profile, banks will >notify federal authorities so they can investigate. > >Banks are expected to identify their customers, determine normal >and expected transactions, monitor account transactions, and >determine if a particular transaction should be reported. > >The FDIC has sent copies of the proposal to all banks and is >asking for input. The questions asked by the FDIC in the proposal >do not ask whether the regulations should be put into place, only >how to implement them in the best way. None of the questions in >the proposal are directed to bank customers. > >The FDIC reassures banks that because the requirements will be >universally applied to all banks it will not hurt their business and >drive away customers. The proposal does not mention penalties for >non-compliance, nor is there any mention of regulations to provide >access to bank records by customers so errors can be found and >corrections made. > >"If 'Know Your Customer' programs are required, insured >nonmember banks can more easily collect the necessary >information because customers cannot turn readily to another >financial institution free of such requirements," stated the proposal. > >Comments from the public may be sent to Robert E. Feldman, >Executive Secretary, Attn: Comments/OES, Federal Deposit >Insurance Corporation, 550 17th Street N.W., Washington, DC >20429 or faxed to (202) 898-3838 or e-mailed to >comments(a)FDIC.gov. > >-------------------------- >GunsSaveLives Internet Discussion List > >This list is governed by an acceptable use >policy: http://www.wizard.net/~kc/policy.html >or available upon request. > >To unsubscribe send a message to >majordomo(a)listbox.com > >with the following line in the body: > >unsubscribe gsl > >GUNSSAVELIVES (GSL) IS A PRIVATE UNMODERATED LIST. >THE OWNER TAKES NO RESPONSIBILTY FOR CONTENT. ALL >RIGHTS RESERVED. <snippage...> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: more FUD!
by HaB 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello. First time poster. Been reading for awhile now and I feel like a goof for having to ask, but what does FUD stand for anyway? Thanks... HaB

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Sternbot on RSA
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vin has now cloned his vigorous defense of the RSA patent to several Usenet newsgroups, posting his "summary" of the discussion. Sternlight now leaps in, to add his two cents worth. In talk.politics.crypto David Sternlight <david(a)sternlight.com> wrote: > I simply cannot believe the post by Cordian below. His argument seem to > be: Good morning, David. We've missed you on the Cypherpunks List. > 1. I am right and the court is wrong. No, David. Vin's argument is that since the patents were upheld in court, no knowlege of the specific algorithms or methods used to construct the patented entity pre-dated the work which led to the patent. In point of fact, such things do not automatically invalidate patents. Certainly the concept of trapdoor functions, their cryptographic utility, and that multiplication of primes was such a function, were known prior to the development of the RSA Public Key Cryptosystem. I vaguely recall that encipherment by modular exponentiation has also been published as an algorithm, albeit prior to the recognition that it had utility in constructing public key systems. > 2. I vaguely recall a paper that might have been prior art. Certainly the notion that the difficulty of factoring composites could be employed in the construction of cryptographically useful things was prior art. The description of encryption by modular exponentiation I recall would have been additional prior art. > 3. It is disingenuous to say there has been no invalidating prior art > even though the court has found the patent valid. There is a huge difference between "prior art" and "invalidating prior art" under patent law. Indeed, to invalidate the patent, it would have been necessary not only to find a description of the mathematical methods used in the construction of the RSA algorithm, but also a claim for the specific use for secure communication over insecure data links. > 4. Cylink's arguments must be right even though they lost in court. Some of Cylink's points were factually accurate. A system which permits the patenting of applied mathematics, which many engineers could have independently derived, is hardly likely to stun us with a brilliant interpretation of the various shades of meaning surrounding such claims and counterclaims. Again, losing in court does not equate to ones facts being in error, any more than it equates to the mathematics being patented being unknown prior to their incarnation in the patented application. > 5. RSA won because nobody could afford to litigate against them, even > though Cylink did. RSADSI's aggressive litigation posture discouraged people from ignoring their patent, and given that the patent could be licensed for much less than a lengthy court fight, kept litigation to a minimum. Cylink was pretty much the sole exception to this, and that was a legal fight internal to PKP. > 6. Anyone can patent anything and nobody could afford to oppose them > (N.B. Presumably not IBM, not DEC, not DuPont, ..oh well, you get the > idea) Yes, David. Practically anything can be patented. The power of patents is in defending them, not in applying for them, or in receiving them. > 7. Rich, smart companies with big legal departments license bogus > patents rather than litigating. Well, that depends on how you define bogus. I consider patenting applied math to be bogus. Your mileage may vary. > 8. Someone who opposes me is a troll. Someone who responds to a one line comment about the mathematical underpinnings of RSA being previously known, with several multipage essays whose central thesis is that such a claim cannot possible be true, because the patent would have been invalidated by the courts, is a troll who either understands nothing about how patents work, or is blowing a foghorn on behalf of the patent holder. > 9. If someone takes the time to oppose me, someone must be funding him. Vin has already outed himself as someone who has done work for RSADSI. He has vociferously defended various key recovery schemes implemented in their products against critics. This, combined with his rabid insistance that the RSA patent is something novel and unique, does equate to what some of us might describe as a "vested interest" in the matter, directly funded or not. > 10. The patent office never refuses patents on "method and apparatus" > except in the case of perpetual motion machines. Patent examiners generally rely only upon the material presented with the patent application when reviewing it, and expect people to do their own searches, and correctly cite related patents. Litigation is generally the means by which patents are challenged, not by the patent office refusing them, except in extrordinary circumstances, perpetual motion machines being one well-known example. > 11. Security Dynamics is paying for those who oppose me. I merely asked if Vin intended to bill them for the time he spent writing his rants. A rhetorical question. > 12. Such opposition is "a tirade". Suggesting that I would have to retire my nym after criticizing the RSA patent and taking several pages to say a paragraph of material certainly qualifies as a tirade in my book, especially when combined with a lot of irrelevent innuendo unrelated to the topic being discussed. > 13. No corporations are buying products with GAK, key recovery, etc. > (N.B. in That is what "no corporate demand" means). To an economist, perhaps. It would be more accurate to say that demand as a function of whether such features are included is a pretty flat function. > 14. Someone who opposes stronger escrow/GAK/key recovery than RSA is > offering must be suspect. Your point here eludes me. > I could go on ... And you usually do, and on, and on, and on... > but it seems to me, knowing nothing about the parties involved and > having no views on their personalities, that on the basis of the post > below Cordian is uh, um, er, a few clauses short of a syllogism. I simply believe that patents on applied math are inappropriate. Given that they are allowed, it seems silly to cite the fact that the courts uphold them as evidence for anything, particularly claims that they are new, novel, and non-obvious. -- Sponsor the DES Analytic Crack Project http://www.cyberspace.org/~enoch/crakfaq.html

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MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS AND SONERA JOIN FORCES TO CREATE SECURE VPN SERVICES FOR THE NEXT MILLENIUM
by Marita N�sman-Repo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Press Release For immediate release DATA FELLOWS AND SONERA JOIN FORCES TO CREATE SECURE VPN SERVICES FOR THE NEXT MILLENIUM Espoo, Finland, December 1, 1998 -- Data Fellows, the leading global security solutions vendor, and Sonera, the leading Finnish telecommunications service provider, have announced a partnership to create next-generation Intranet and extranet services. The scope of the partnership is to develop a secure IP service platform by combining Sonera's leading-edge telecommunications services with Data Fellows' award-winning secure VPN and anti-virus products. "Security is not a simple issue. We see leading telecommunications service providers in a key position to help corporate customers reap the benefits of the Internet without the inherent risks," says Risto Siilasmaa, CEO of Data Fellows. "Over the years, Sonera has always paved the way with innovative telecommunications services. Well-managed strong security is the logical next step." "Our key challenges are the increasing demand for mobility and the increasing use of extranets between companies," says Jukka T Leinonen, Managing Director of Sonera Solutions. "Managed IP-based virtual private networks with a functioning Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) and strong security constitute the foundation for future corporate information systems. Data Fellows can provide us with standards-based, proven security with globally available strong encryption." The first products and services will be announced early next year. Data Fellows' groundbreaking F-Secure products provide a unique combination of globally available strong encryption, revolutionary anti-virus software and policy based management. Data Fellows products are relied on by the world's largest industrial corporations, best-known telecommunications companies and major airlines, several European governments, post offices and defence forces as well as several of the world's largest banks. Data Fellows was selected one of the Top 100 Technology companies in the world by Red Herring magazine in September 1998. Sonera Ltd is Finland's leading telecommunications company, with subsidiaries and associated companies in 14 countries. Internationally, Sonera is a forerunner in the rapidly growing field of mobile, data, and media communications. In 1997, Sonera's net sales amounted to FIM 8 billion, and operating profit was FIM 1.7 billion. The Group employs 8,200 people. For more information, please contact USA: Data Fellows Inc. Mr. Pirkka Palomaki, Product Manager Tel. +1 408 938 6700, fax +1 408 938 6701 E-mail: Pirkka.Palomaki(a)DataFellows.com Europe: Data Fellows Oy Mr. Jukka Kotovirta, Director, Service Provider Business Unit PL 24 FIN-02231 ESPOO Tel. +358 9 859 900, fax. +358 9 8599 0599 E-mail: Jukka.Kotovirta(a)DataFellows.com or visit our web site at http://www.DataFellows.com Sonera Solutions Ltd. Mr. Timo Korpela, Head of Product Development Tel. +358 2040 63296, fax. +358 2040 64652 E-mail: Timo.Korpela(a)sonera.net -- Marita.Nasman-Repo(a)DataFellows.com, World-Wide Web http://www.DataFellows.com

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Re: more FUD!
by Marcel Popescu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Original Message----- From: HaB <hab(a)gamegirlz.com> To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: marþi, 01 decembrie 1998 01:46 Subject: Re: more FUD! >First time poster. Been reading for awhile now and I feel like a goof >for having to ask, but what does FUD stand for anyway? Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Alleged technique of large companies to make people think twice before buying products from lesser companies by casting doubt over the reliability of the product and its creator. Thinking twice is known to be a Bad Thing. <g> Mark

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Re: MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS AND SONERA JOIN FORCES TO CREATE SECURE VPN S...
by Opencity＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Mimmi Okay...this can be distributed as of today? Thanks phil

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by Thierry Roch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS AND SONERA JOIN FORCES TO CREATE SECURE VPN S...
by eschuman＠cmp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Same request. May I be removed from this list as well? falcon falcon <falconinc(a)earthlink.net> on 12/01/98 11:20:14 AM Please respond to press-english-technical(a)lists.datafellows.com To: press-english-technical(a)lists.datafellows.com cc: bcc: Evan Schuman/MHS/CMPNotes Subject: Re: MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS AND SONERA JOIN FORCES TO CREATE SECURE VPN S... Please remove my name from your email list. Opencity(a)aol.com wrote: > Hi Mimmi > > Okay...this can be distributed as of today? > > Thanks > phil

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