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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by newscaster＠hampton.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11/02/98 Y2K Solution! 8 Pine Circle Dr., Silicon Valley, Calif. USA OTC Company "TCFG" 21 st. Century Frontier Group has through several members of their administrative research department leaked vital information about their companies efforts. Everyone was tight lipped and interviews were refused, and through un-named sources we have learned that the technology and software solution are in the process of being patented! In over 1640 trials, using various data systems the use of the new technology and software solved the Y2K problem 100% of the time. This small publicly traded company "TCFG" which is just 3 years old is through various sources now negotiating with the "Big Boys"! "TCFG" the letters to look for...

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Kong Re: Using a password as a private key.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(James - bug report below.) At 07:21 PM 10/29/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >What happens if you create another key which signs an existing message, >as was illustrated here recently in the case of Toto's key. Can you >convince Kong that you are the same person who sent the earlier message? No, you can't. I've got some sample Kong documents below. (Be sure to get the US version of Kong from http://catalog.com/jamesd/kong/ rather than the somewhat older version from replay (which you get if you tell James's page you're not a US/Canadian citizen. Some UnAmerican should hack their way through James's protection and update replay's version.)) If you check the signature on a document identical to one you've already got stored, it'll tell you about it, and list all the usernames that have signed that document. When you try to store a second key with the same name as an existing key, it'll tell you that they're different, and let you add a note to the new one. (Unfortunately, it doesn't also let you add a note to the first one; a nice feature change would be to always ask for notation when receiving a new key.) (It's a bit hard to test on one machine, since you tend to step over yourself in the process, but it should work fine in a clean environment, and Kong is very tolerant of having its Kong.mdb file blown away and doesn't even mind some editing using MS Access, though YMMV.) Signed by one key calling itself t3 - note the +Q in the first line -- It's a fnord! Run for your life! --digsig t3 +Q+XF9EiiOOGFa6rYr5QtU2My14/KyO01DHLikYDVv Fy1GfdEmmV07XfX9R3HEOc/BA+ajNa8/MRqDBhE1 4eLHEngilBC2g81hloGGQFmOYd35vQEHKGtBcb4F9 Signed by a different key calling itself t3 - note the H9 in the first line -- It's a different fnord! --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z nCRf3S7brCpkLPzUD+dSFcErPNB+SdrF0q46TZnH 4YHfVOu6q+51iKrRc3ru63qk1wWCR2uR3wCALQRjs Same document as before, signed by the H9 t3 -- It's a fnord! Run for your life! --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z z662iY5op2nMkXrI7nP4A5ehgvaoB5+q5daHbHgl 4NmZf3tZdVcZObpUmovyAeDBMZr1W9t5lDICMJc8b Kong lets you sign a document in different modes - in one mode, the document can't be modified after signing, and in other modes you can change whitespace or linebreaks, making it more tolerant of different email environments. -- This message didn't have any line breaks, and it's in Text mode. --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z aAGTQyJ92R6XeoH7ZTepQ0f79xKddgm+bsIfLckn 4+WLznhaXWAf7fX0yay4Ajq6Bg+AGQo0T8r8aWbJ2 -- This message didn't have any line breaks, and it's in Strict mode, so this should fail. --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z /6YbckVZQdSNbu4DSbrIjXRmu2wU8IiiXP3LnyUn 2I/gQ5Uq5+42xQYfLxCbDM+YwowNgkBFXlfPvfIYK By the way, you don't want to hit the "view" button after checking this one - you'll get Run-Time Error 3021 - No current Record and then Kong dies. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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H-WEB: De Long on Scott, Planning & Hayek
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 01:37:43 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: H-WEB: De Long on Scott, Planning & Hayek To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Status: U >> Hayek On The Web << -- Modernism / Government Planning J. Bradford De Long, "Not Seeing One's Intellectual Parents" On the Web at: http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Articles/Reviews/Seeing_Like_a_State.html >From the review: "There is a lot that is excellent in James Scott's _Seeing Like a State_. It begins with a romp through eighteenth- and nineteenth-century German forestry--and the failure of the foresters to understand the ecology of the forests that they were trying to manage. It continues with a brief digression on how states tried to gain control of their populations through maps, boulevards, and names. These are prequels to a vicious and effective critique of what Scott calls "high modernism": the belief that the planner--whether Le Corbusier designing a city, Vladimir Lenin designing a planned economy, or Julius Nyerere "villagizing" the people of Tanzania--knows best, and can move humans and their lives around on as if on a chessboard to create utopia. Then the focus appears to waiver. There is a chapter on agriculture in developing economies that characterizes agricultural extension efforts from the first to the third world as analogous to Lenin's nationalization of industry, or Nyerere's forced resettlement of Tanzanians. But the targets -- the agricultural extenders who dismiss established practices -- lose solidity and become shadows. They are no longer living, breathing, powerful rulers,; instead they are the "credo of American agriculture," the "catechism of high- modernist agriculture," the "high-modernist aesthetic and ideology of most colonial trained agronomists and their Western-trained successors" -- truly straw men. The conclusion is a call for social systems that recognize the importance of what Scott calls "metis": a Greek word for the practical knowledge that a skilled and experienced worker has of his craft. Most such practical knowledge cannot be easily summarized and simple rules, and much of it remains implicit: the devil is in the details. T he key fault of "high modernism," as Scott understands it, is its belief that details don't matter -- that planners can decree from on high, people obey, and utopia result. Well before the end of the book an economist is struck by a strong sense of deja vu. Scott's declarations of the importance of the detailed practical knowledge possessed by the person-on-the-spot -- of how such knowledge cannot be transmitted up any hierarchy to those-in-charge in a way to do any good--of how the locus of decision-making must remain with those who have the craft to understand the situation--of how any system that functions at all must create and maintain a space in which there is sufficient flexibility for craftsmen to exercise their metis (even if the hierarchs of the system pretend not to notice this flexibility)--all of these strike an economist as very, very familiar. All of these seem familiar to economists because they are the points made by Ludwig von Mises (1920) and Friedrich Hayek (1937) and the other Austrian economists in their pre-World War II debate with socialists over the possibility of central planning. Hayek's adversaries--Oskar Lange and company--argued that a market system had to be inferior to a centrally-planned system: at the very least, a centrally-planned economy could set up internal decision-making procedures that would mimic the market, and the central planners could also adjust things to increase social welfare and account for external effects in a way that a market system could never do. Hayek, in response, argued that the functionaries of a central-planning board could never succeed, because they could never create both the incentives and the flexibility for the people-on-the-spot to exercise what Scott calls metis. Today all economists--even those who are very hostile to Hayek's other arguments (that government regulation of the money supply lies at the root of the business cycle, that political attempts to reduce inequalities in the distribution of income lead to totalitarianism, that the competitive market is the "natural spontaneous order" of human society) -- agree that Hayek and company hit this particular nail squarely on the head. Looking back at the seventy-year trajectory of Communism, it seems very clear that Hayek (and Scott) are right: that its principal flaw is its attempt to concentrate knowledge, authority, and decision-making power at the center rather than pushing the power to act, the freedom to do so, and the incentive to act productively out to the periphery where the people-on-the-spot have the local knowledge to act effectively. In short, by the end of his book James Scott has argued himself into the intellectual positions adopted by Friedrich Hayek back before World War II. Yet throughout the book Scott appears to be ignorant that the intellectual terrain which he has reached has already been well-explored. This is quite distressing ... " J. Bradford De Long, "Not Seeing One's Intellectual Parents". Review of James Scott (1998), _Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed_. (New Haven: Yale University Press). 7/4/1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- References Peter Boettke (1990), The Political Economy of Soviet Socialism (Boston: Kluwer Academic Publishers: 0792391004). Friedrich Hayek, ed. (1935), Collectivist Economic Planning: Critical Studies on the Possibility of Socialism (London: Routledge: 0678007659). Friedrich Hayek (1937), "Economics and Knowledge," Economica 4, pp. 33-54. Friedrich Hayek (1945), "The Use of Knowledge in Society," American Economic Review 35, pp. 519-30. Frank Knight (1936), "The Place of Marginal Economics in a Collectivist System," American Economic Review 26:2, pp. 255-6. Abba Lerner (1934), "Economic Theory and Socialist Economy," Review of Economic Studies 2, pp. 51-61. James Scott (1998), Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed (New Haven: Yale University Press: 0300070160). Ludwig von Mises (1920), "Die Wirtschaftsrechnung im sozialistischen Gemeinwesen," Archiv fur Sozialwissenschaften und Sozialpolitik 47:1, pp. 86-121." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Professor of Economics J. Bradford De Long, 601 Evans Hall, #3880 University of California at Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720-3880 (510) 643-4027 phone (510) 642-6615 fax delong(a)econ.berkeley.edu http://econ161.berkeley.edu/ Hayek On The Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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17 Dec '03

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NOT the Orange Book
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Merrill, the author of "NOT the Orange Book," has provided a digital version of his "Guide to the Definition, Specification, Tasking, and Documentation for the Development of Secure Computer Systems -- Including Condensations of the Members of the Rainbow Series and Related Documents:" http://jya.com/ntob.htm (385K) Zipped: http://jya.com/ntob.zip (92K) This is Paul's 1992 manual prepared while working for DoD to evaluate and purchase secure computer systems, for ADP, C4I and weapons, and to compensate for the shortcomings of the official regulations. It's still widely used, Paul says, for the unending conflict between DoD, NSA, DIA and defense contractors about how to develop and assure computer security from lab rat pipedream to the warfighter's "wha's this piece of shit." Section IV, Case Studies, is a wonder at describing what to do when perfect design goes to hell in the field, and a pissed warrior who's comm's been compromised got a K-Bar sawing your apple, roaring "tech support, now!"

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snipped down to DCF's response... >My point is not that we shouldn't grab them it's that the "Human Rights >Community" is politically discriminatory and wouldn't think of going after >commies. > Since I live in Spain, I am privy to a side of the story that doesn't seem to get much air outside of Spain. (At least not that I've seen) In Spain, Spain is the protagonist in this issue--not the "Human Rights Community". It may be that they accept any help they may get from these folks, but the main push is from the families of Spanish citizens murdered by Pinochet. He not only killed his "countrymen" but also foreign nationals. Spain will try him for the murders of Spaniards NOT Argentineans, Brazilians, Americans, or any other nationality. >From inside Spain this issue doesn't seem nearly as global as the international community portrays it. I guess it's kind of like a certain African nation wanting to try a certain western hemisphere president for the deaths of some factory workers... Or perhaps in a small way a refutation of the international norm that protects rulers from the otherwise natural consequence of their actions. APF

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No Subject
by nations＠freeyellow.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11/02/98 Y2K Solution! 8 Pine Circle Dr., Silicon Valley, Calif. USA OTC Company "TCFG" 21 st. Century Frontier Group has through several members of their administrative research department leaked vital information about their companies efforts. Everyone was tight lipped and interviews were refused, and through un-named sources we have learned that the technology and software solution are in the process of being patented! In over 1640 trials, using various data systems the use of the new technology and software solved the Y2K problem 100% of the time. This small publicly traded company "TCFG" which is just 3 years old is through various sources now negotiating with the "Big Boys"! "TCFG" the letters to look for.....

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Hacktivists
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"HACKTIVISTS" SAY: "THE REVOLUTION WILL BE DIGITIZED" Two political activists in New York, of cofounders of the Electronic Disturbance Theater, are organizing "virtual sit-ins" and recruiting programmers to attack the Web sites of persons or organizations they believe responsible for oppression. "We see this as a form of electronic civil obedience," says Stefan Wray, one of the two leaders of this effort. National Information Protection Agency chief Michael Vatis says, "I wouldn't characterize vandalizing Web sites as cyber-terrorism, but the only responsible assumption we can make is that there's more going on that we don't know about." Some activists agree with that assessment, but for different reasons; they think such methods are unproductive because they will antagonize the general public. (New York Times 31 Oct 98)

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Computers as instruments of liberation
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Wired News" carried an article reporting on a plan to (somehow) spread computers around the world, blah blah, and quoting John Gage at Sun on how this would promote peace. A couple of paragraphs have Cypherpunks resonances" --begin excerpt-- Conference tackles ``techno-inequality'' By Judy DeMocker SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - When US farmers can call their cows home individually using animal pagers, but the average teenager in Burkina Faso has never made a ..... Wiring developing nations could have some far-reaching consequences. One might be that computer-based communications would be used to keep the peace, according Net Day co-founder John Gage, who works by day as Sun Microsystems' chief scientist. When content from The New York Times can be translated into 30 Arab dialects, for example, or when a remote Rawandan village has access to more perspectives than the local magistrate, the Internet may become an instrument in preventing violence. ``The Web gives people access to other voices, and instant access to speaking about how the world really is,'' said Gage. ''If people can get that, maybe that band of villagers will think twice before going down the road and killing its neighbors.'' --end excerpt-- Fatuous nonsense. After all, those folks down the road may be taxing them, and may need killing. Or those folks may use computer networks to connect to others for the purposes of liberation. I see computer networks as promoting secessionism, freedom fighting, and resistance in general. The New World Order, the One Worlders, see this as "terrorism." Which is why strong encryption is needed. Which is why "they" oppose strong encryption. John Gage has a typically Fabian socialist view that somehow computerization will lead to an orderly, peaceful world. Me, I view networks as the key to retribution and justice. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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RE: 4 Horseman not so bad..
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote: >>> but some peope are scared of > >>> drugs/paedophiles/terrorists etc, so thats the way in for the > jackboots. > >>> To oppose it we need to reduce fear. > Chip wrote: >>Thats the most interesting POV I've ever heard >>of in these discussions, seems like for the most part, >>we counter fear arguments with other fear arguments, >>Never saw this before. Bears more examination. Anon wrote: > Right. The new Happy Net campaign. > Druggies.. why, they're friendly enough to > be elected officials in such peaks of civilization as > D.C. and L.A. And the more successful recreational > pharmaceutical merchants are luxury-car and mobile > telecomm early adopters! London is full of spy cameras (mostly owned by banks and large corporations, pointing out from their windows and doors) Nobody much objects to the invasion of privacy. Why? Because lots of them are scared of the streets. If they knew the actual chance of getting robbed or beaten up they probably wouldn't be so scared.

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[humor] Testing software
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A friend of mine sent me the following: We are in the process of testing the new piece of software we designed: > AGGRESSION TESTING: If this doesn't work, I'm gonna kill somebody. > > COMPRESSION TESTING: [] > > CONFESSION TESTING: Okay, Okay, I did program that bug. > > CONGRESSIONAL TESTING: Are you now, or have you ever been a bug? > > DEPRESSION TESTING: If this doesn't work, I'm gonna kill myself. > > EGRESSION TESTING: Uh-oh, a bug... I'm outta here. > > DIGRESSION TESTING: Well, it works, but can I tell you about my truck... > > EXPRESSION TESTING: #@%^&*!!!, a bug. > > OBSESSION TESTING: I'll find this bug if it's the last thing I do. > > OPPRESSION TESTING: Test this now! > > POISSON TESTING: Alors! Regardez le poisson! > > REPRESSION TESTING: It's not a bug, it's a feature. > > SECESSION TESTING: The bug is dead! Long live the bug! > > SUGGESTION TESTING: Well, it works but wouldn't it be better if... Added by JFA: DELUSION TESTING: Naahhhh, don't loose any time doing any testing, it'll work... Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Re: TEMPEST laptops
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM -0800 11/1/98, Dave Emery wrote: >On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 09:53:37AM -0800, Tim May wrote: >> >> Anyway, were I to try to shield a laptop I'd start with microwave leakage >> meters, a couple of t.v.s and radio (of different types and bands), and >> then I'd start recording signal levels of various sorts as different >> shielding layers and types were applied to the laptop(s). Simple lab stuff. >> > > As someone who has actually spent hellish weeks working to >suppress the RF emissions of some commericial network gear I designed - >to make it pass FCC B and VDE certification - let me say this is a black >art and no fun. There are sophisticated electromagnetics programs that >can sometimes succeed in modeling the radiation from a computer system, >but they are very expensive and inputting all the required information >is painful or downright impossible (data just not available or in a >usable format), so this nasty job usually gets done seat of the pants >style using rules of thumb and educated guesses and hard won experiance >and lots of trial and error. The job consists of attaching lossy >ferrite beads, copper tape and other RF and common mode current supressing >devices, shielding plastic packages with spray metallic coatings, adding ... All good points, but there's a big difference between trying to meet FCC emissions requirements for a commercial product that has to meet cost, weight, and cosmetic requirements (e.g., a plastic case!), and the scenario of making a TEMPEST-like box for a laptop. Ferrite beads and copper tape are a lot different from a sealed box made of 10-gauge copper sheet. > Nobody does this using ordinary radios and TVs, the standard >tool is a broadband spectrum analyzer or special EMC receiver with >quasipeak filters and special calibrated wideband dipole antennas that >have known gain and pattern characteristics. Isolating of radiating >sites is often done with near field probes or sniffers attached to the >spectrum analyzer that allow hot spots to be tracked to within a few cm. >Often in order to get enough sensitivity one also needs special >preamps, and a RF quiet site where signals from the DUT aren't drowned >out by pagers and cellphones and emissions from nearby computers. A >good bit of this work is done way out in the country under non-metallic >fiberglass buildings that don't create reflections that confuse the >measurements. And conducted as opposed to radiated noise is measured >with special power line filters and cable filters... Sure, but my point was that John Young should *at least* start with actual measurements, as opposed to putting most of the onus on a FOIA request to get TEMPEST docs declassified. If he can get spectrum analyzers and all that stuff, so much the better. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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No vulnerability known in SSH-1.2.26
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:33:29 +0200 (EET) From: Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)ssh.fi> To: ssh(a)clinet.fi, ssh-bugs(a)clinet.fi, bugtraq(a)netspace.org, info(a)rootshell.com, coderpunks(a)toad.com CC: "David A. Curry" <davy(a)ers.ibm.com>, cert(a)cert.org, auscert(a)auscert.org.au Subject: No vulnerability known in SSH-1.2.26 Organization: SSH Communications Security, Finland Sender: owner-coderpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- As the original author of SSH I want to comment on the rumored vulnerabilities. I have personally looked into the claimed vulnerabilities, including the ones reported by IBM, and do not have any reason to assume that there would be any vulnerability in ssh-1.2.26. NO SUCH VULNERABILITY IS KNOWN. I repeat, I KNOW OF NO VULNERABILITY IN SSH-1.2.26. The IBM-ERS report on ssh vulnerability turned out to be false alert. They could not reproduce it after they recompiled their ssh and linux kernel. I have personally checked all places where ssh displays debugging messages, log messages, or otherwise uses functions like sprintf. I was unable to find any vulnerabilities. I have talked to people at both CERT and the IBM emergency response service and none of them seems to have any knowledge of any vulnerability in SSH. In summary, to my best knowledge, ssh-1.2.26 can be safely used. Please communicate this information to the relevant people. Brief history of events: - On October 28, the rootshell.com home page was defaced by hackers. After the host was brought up to date, their front page contained information that listed the services that had been active, and mentioned that entry may have been made with ssh. (Note that this does not by itself indicate anything; password or other authentication may have been obtained at the other end) - On October 29, a message about the rootshell case is posted to bugtraq and possibly other mailing lists. Many people took this as indication of a vulnerability in ssh. - We looked at the rootshell case, and found no cause for alarm, but decided to be watching. - On October 30, IBM sent an draft advisory reporting a buffer overflow vulnerability that could be used to gain root access to any host running ssh from anywhere on the Internet. The draft advisory was sent to at least CERT, FIRST, ssh-bugs, and a few other places. - On october 30, several major computer manufacturers and their offices around the world were advising their customers to follow the situation, and possibly disable ssh for now. Some CERTs around the world issued preliminary alerts to their most important sites. - I learn of the IBM advisory on October 31 at 2 AM. By 6 AM I've talked to both CERT and IBM Emergency Response Team, checked the code claimed to be at fault (finding no problem), and no-one seems to have any concrete information, and we conclude there is no cause for immediate alarm. - By November 1, the IBM researchers who found the vulnerability in the IBM draft advisory have been reached. One of them says he never saw an exploit, and the other first said he had an exploit and he was going to send it over shortly, and the next day he said that he could no longer reproduce the problem after recompiling ssh. He does not appear to have an exploit after all. - I've personally gone through all places where ssh1 passes information to sprintf, log_msg, or any other functions using sprintf. I found no security problems. I found one place where an argument to a format string was missing, but it is probably not exploitable, and one place where one byte less was allocated for a string than was used (only appears on Solaris). Neither of these have security consequences or are cause for alarm. - On November 1, the IBM announcement for which IBM has already issued a cancellation is widely distributed by rootshell through their announcement list. - Now at Morning November 2, I'm convinced (>99% sure) that both the rootshell issue and the IBM draft advisory were false alerts. We are also trying to track down the linux compilation problem that may have caused the false alert behind the IBM advisory. We will issue an announcement as soon as possible if real vulnerability is found. For more information, please keep tracking http://www.ssh.fi/sshprotocols2. Best regards, Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)ssh.fi> - -- SSH Communications Security http://www.ssh.fi/ SSH IPSEC Toolkit http://www.ipsec.com/ Free Unix SSH http://www.ssh.fi/sshprotocols2/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNj1tbqkZxfGWH0o1AQEaLwP+LPhkCOGFs30gfbyjMLLMkNp03OOfpALJ uwqBvLPIntIWhHbjq1GF9D3hekyQ3PdiC+5SEBfFBj1xlAg1SPROJ2JV5d2QHuPm B39j3YuQSJT5j/QXN0nkbP7ll9UoPJ9eMWBQvd5Hgf//eAk6ccns4fUqensMypeR 9J3O2JQG6ow= =gesm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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RE: TEMPEST laptops
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lucky Green [SMTP:shamrock@cypherpunks.to] > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:33 PM > To: Bill Stewart > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: TEMPEST laptops > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Bill Stewart wrote: > [...] > > Just using a regular laptop isn't enough; I've seen laptops > > transmit recognizable images to a television (though I was probably > > using AC power rather than batteries, and may or may not have had > > the display mode set to LCD-and-monitor.) > > Thanks for touching on the popuar myth that laptops radiate less than > CRT's. Many laptops in fact radiate more compromising emissions than > CRT's. Ross Anderson does his van Eck demos to undergrads using a laptop, > because it works so much better than CRT's. > > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. Nearly all laptops have a built-in video port, for connection to an external monitor. This is often poorly shielded (usually just a plastic plug). I'd be curious to know how much the radiation from this port could be attenuated by (1) a metal plug contacting the laptop's ground plane, and (2) removing all the video-port specific circuitry (major surgery for a laptop :-( ). Peter Trei

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orange book
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monday 11/2/98 7:55 AM PaulMerrill(a)ACM.Org I looked at the orange book at NOT the Orange Book - http://www.jya.com/ntob.htm NSA employee Tom White http://jya.com/nsasuit.txt got me a copy of I was told was THE NSA orange book for Sandias implementation of the NSA Benincasa nss/uso authentication algorithm.. The report I saw was concerned about implementation of cryptographic units. Things like shielding, power filtering, red-black boundaries, shift register compromising signals, some software guidelines,.... The soft-cover report was mostly hardware-oriented. What I see at jya.com is not the orange book Sandia was given. bill payne Title: Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms Jump to Forum Click Image to Jump to Next Article Go to Text Only Print Version Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms by William H. Payne This article requires special formatting. Please Click Here to Read Send This Article to a Friend: Your Name: Email Address of your Friend: Your Email address: Back to Home Page Quick Menu Visit the Button Shop Interactive Forum Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms E-mail the Editor

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Re: TEMPEST laptops
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Understand that my comments are just some "common sense with a little > bit of physics" estimates, not direct knowledge of how best to shield > laptops. > I'd do this in preference to worrying about what some 1978 government > docs had to say about the subject. TEMPEST the specs are probably a > mixture of "RF shielding" tips and standards, and a mix of Van Eck > radiation tuner designs. > A long time ago I ran thermal measurement boards on a piece of equipment in liquid He under vacuum. Pretty icy. I used only standard components. My question is this - anyone know of any estimates of how weak a signal could be detected and actually rendered into useful information? The relevance of the low-T stuff is that it seems like a nice way to make low-noise receiving equipment. With an estimate of the capabilities of the receiver ( @exotic-lHe and commonplace-lN2 temps ) you could then address the emissions of the laptop with reasonable, quantitative target levels. Sort of reverse engineer the TEMPEST specs as it were. It would be nice to know what needed to be done to reduce emissions to the point that you could be fairly sure that an eavesdropper had to park on your doorstep to make his equipment work. > VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SECURITY. > Since they don't have anything to hide, why should they worry? Argh. ergo - if they're hiding something they are guilty of something. Bust the doors down boys. Mike

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Techno Warfare In The 21st Century (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Sex, Terrorism and the NET
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know there are some here who think Cypherpunks should cooperate with law enforcment and do "reach outs" to such folks...this was a theme at some past CFP Conferences, for example. I think most cops will use anyone they can. Meanwhile, this is what they're doing. Entrapment, infiltration, participation in chat rooms and news groups, and all the usual Red Squad stuff. --Tim > From: spranzint(a)aol.com (Spranz int) > Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism > Subject: Sex, Terrorism and the NET > Lines: 52 > NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com > X-Admin: news(a)aol.com > Date: 2 Nov 1998 13:29:57 GMT > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Message-ID: <19981102082957.03067.00002747(a)ng117.aol.com> > Xref: Sn alt.security.terrorism:3219 > > > > Sex, Terrorism and the Internet: > Inservice Workshop for Law Enforcement > > > > > LEARN: Who is the best Internet provider for you. > Techniques for creating a screen persona > How to verify and use your on-line contacts to gather vital intelligence > The latest Hacking techniques > > EXAMINE: Live and On-line... > Pedophiles, Swap Groups and White Slavery > Neo Nazi and Militia Movements > Latin American Revolutionaries > Nationalist Groups with both local and global operations > Militant Islamic Movements > > PARTICIPATE IN: News groups and Chat Rooms > World wide Web Sites, Links and Search Engines > Hacking , Militia and Sex Trade Chatrooms around the globe > > DISCOVER : Web sites offering detailed information on: > procuring and using Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Agents > as well as satellite intelligence data . > How to get "expert" advice > How to procure black market items and conduct investigations on > the web > > Curriculum includes: > > Introduction to Cyberspace Hacking and Cracking > Sex and the Internet Student Explorations > Learning Investigative Tools Developing in house programs > Exploring NEWSGROUPS Monitoring and Identifying suspects > Terror Organizations Creating a web persona > > Fee: $ 50.00 includes class handouts and certificate > Program includes an optional two hour online practicum following the > presentation. > > FDLE Approved for Second Dollar Spending and Mandatory Retraining! > Location: Coral Springs Police Dept, Coral Springs FL > > Date: Friday 4 December 1999 / 0830 1230 (4 instruction hours) > To Register: Contact a Spranza Representative at: > POB 26047 Tamarac, FL 33320 > Voice: (954) 722 5811 email: Spranzint(a)aol.com fax: (954) 720 4472 > Visit our website: http://members.aol.com/spranzint/pubpage.htm for more info!

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Seeking CDSA source code reference implementation
by DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am searching for a source code reference implementation of the CDSA V2.0 standard as published by the Open Group. I know that a freely available implementation has been released by IBM (MIT Jonah PKIX Freeware, can be downloaded from http://web.mit.edu/pfl) but this is legally accessible only for US citizen. I have tried to spot the CDSA source but have not found anything up to now. Has this software found its way outside the US yet? I'd like to put my fingers on it without actually breaking fed laws... Thanx.

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No Subject
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Might as well include the laptop with the box, including an encrypted filesystem and some software and hardware booby trap features. Whitecap

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RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone Alternative
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> paradox of financial cryptography, and, more specifically, > digital bearer settlement, is not that it gives you privacy > and freedom (anarchy? :-)) Anarchy != privacy In fact to many people privacy is a very statist construct, as they clamor for more privacy regulations by government. The contradiction is government has a vested interest in preventing privacy from itself, and generally makes loud but ineffectual noise in creating privacy from others. There are many anarchic elements financial cryptography, such as: * That you can achieve greater privacy through cryptographic means instead of government means by limiting the information transfer via zero knowledge, blinding, cryptographic pseudonymity, etc. * That you can exchange money in ways that are secured cryptographically and settled instantly that do not rely on the government as observer/auditor/enforcer[/taxer]. * You can create private currencies that do not rely on government goodwill and stability to retain their value. * That you can enforce contracts via electronic mediation and reputation punishment in a way that does not rely on biometric ID and government mediation/enforcement. Therefore traditionally archical processes become anarchical (without state [involvement]). It is the *process*, not the result that is anarchic, and it is the process, not the result, that is cheaper. Cryptography (cpu-cycles) is cheaper than government, with a falling cost versus a rising one. Will all these free anarchical processes eventually result in an anarchic state? Maybe. But the economics of the processes is the prime mover, the politics of the result is a consequence. Matt

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