December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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Y2K...
by concerned＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The Trouble With Harry
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone....

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The Trouble With Harry (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 22 Oct 1998 00:20:03 -0000 > From: HyperReal-Anon <nobody(a)sind.hyperreal.art.pl> > Subject: The Trouble With Harry > John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: > > >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, > >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? > > tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have > no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then > toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone.... Hold on hear a second, let's get the facts straight. I am NOT being accussed of anything. I have been asked to act as a witness for the prosecution (not explicitly the target thereof). Unfortunately for the prosecutions case, I'm not a witness to anything relevant. If I were aware of some kook running around building bombs with the intention of using them on people, their property, or animals I'd be the first to turn their nutty butts in. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The latest news from Toto
by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got a letter from Toto today, and he's doing well. Or at least as well as one can under his circumstances. He has a few friendly requests, though, which I'm not necessarily in any position to respond to. * Does anyone have an RSA-in-perl t-shirt (or sweatshirt, or whatever) to spare? He wants the Well Dressed CypherPunk Defendant Look (TM) in court. * Declan McCullagh: Congratulations, you've been added to the visitors' list. * Oh, yeah! If someone could mail me copies of the FPP stuff, it would be nice, since the Shrink Rapper has copies and I don't. (The IRS is sending it to him as part of his punishment for laughing at my jokes...) If anyone knows what he's referring to, reply to the cpunks list and I'll get in touch personally, or just mail it to him directly. MailMonger

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Carlos Macedo Gomes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back [SMTP:aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk] > Clearly I think one should be able to say wtf one wants to, and in > general I endeavor to do just that. But I am suggesting that > cypherpunks individually stear clear of grey areas, such as say > creative tax minimisation, Duncan Frissel style "it's not illegal to > do blah with social security numbers", Tim May style "I've got X > number of now illegal armament Y", (unless you also have the money for > good lawyers) and so on, whether technically legal or not, as one > would be taking above average risks in doing so, because governments > are watching this list, and a number of it's subscribers. I agree with Adam on sticking to legally achievable goals-- or at least legally achievable without needing unlimited funds to feed the army of lawyers that will be needed to keep you and your cohorts out of prison. To me that would include the realm of projects related to strong crypto, electronic cash, anonymity and privacy-- vague as those topics may be. That said... I was at the meeting in July with Jim when Toto showed up. It was my first attendance at an Austin Cpunk meeting and I was looking forward to working on some great projects with some hopefully great local folks. To me Toto showing up was simply a very interesting road sign (or graffiti) on the path to achieving pragmatic, long-living "cypherpunks write code" projects the first of which was to be the Crypto Conference that we were hoping to host and that we were discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever happended to the Classified Ad project?? Jim fought for that but it fell apart when the focus of the conference was was moved by another local group to a non-crypto topic. We took the synergies from the remains of conference project and started work on a Cypherpunks meta-web-archive this time with a joint effort by myself, some fellow programmers and the Austin Cpunks. This project as well started strong out of the gates but lost steam around the first corner. In part it was due to looming, work related project deadlines-- as far as I know none involved in the local projects are retired, Austin hitech fatcats (yet). But mostly this last project and the local meetings halted I think due to Jim's relating to the group the events that were happening with him regarding Toto. I think the really sad thing here is not that we didn't rise up as a group to stop the government's inquiries of Jim with regards to the Toto case but simply that we individually offered very limited support directly to Jim himself. And from speaking with Jim and reading his emails it appears that the support was in the form of a referral to lawyers (who apparently were not ready to do any _pro bono_ work) and an apology from myself for lack of offer of assistance when it became obvious to me that the long standing local group had not offered assistance. I think Jim did a great job with the local group and it's truly a sad indictment against the relationships we had (or thought we had) in the group where our "sponsor" is put in a spotlight for acting as a primary for the group that we're supposedly active in and there's no show of support... Again, not with intent to support Toto, or thwart government inquiries, but just to check to see how Jim's doing under the strain of possible government scrutiny. Anyhow the local group does look to be dead. I'd still like to get group coding projects and the like accomplished while I'm in Austin and suspect they will still happen and hopefully with Jim and some of the other local folks involved. But I don't think there will be an "Austin Cpunk" group after this. I'd be glad to have someone prove me wrong. That's my $0.02 on the events of the past few months.... Now back to reality. waves, C.G. -- Carlos Macedo Gomes gomes(a)navigo.com a Navigo farmer

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Kevin Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > >Copyright © 1998 Nando.net >Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service > >PARIS (October 21, 1998 06:38 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - >France's >Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday that women are unable to commit the >crime of >rape because they cannot sexually penetrate men. This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. ___________________________________________________________________________ "DOS/WIN based computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others, are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form." - New York Times -Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott <mailto:k-elliott@wiu.edu>

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, >technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and >types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down >to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual >intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that >you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The >advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of >issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating >someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. "You get hard right now or I take this knife and cut your balls off sloooowly! You have one minute." That is probably out in left field. I doubt it would happen much.

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Re: Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:50:50 -0500 > From: Kevin Elliott <k-elliott(a)wiu.edu> > Subject: Re: Women cannot commit rape? > This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, I don't believe that is accurate. Just about 2 years ago two women were sentenced to prison because they kidnapped and raped a man. Perhaps one of the more versed in case law members might remember it. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (CDT) > From: Carlos Macedo Gomes <gomes(a)www.navigo.com> > Subject: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) > discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever > happended to the Classified Ad project?? It was going along fine until I made the mistake of asking when.... I'd offered a couple of dates, nobody ever commented on them. I can still cover Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, El Paso. A single paper in each city. I'd say do it like Thanksgiving Day or Christmas. I need 1 months warning. It might be kind of cool to put regular ads in with various comments like the 1st Amendment, or questions regarding civil liberties, famous quotes, etc. Just sign it, Cypherpunks ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> William H. Geiger III[SMTP:whgiii@invweb.net] wrote (among other > stuff): > > > What we need is a mechanism to punish the politicians > who go down the Big Brother path *and* the companies > who are making big profits helping them. > IMHO the UK, and the rest of Europe, is a lost cause, > it's sheeple are too brainwashed The best bit of news of the last few days is Pinochet's arrest. It lifted my heart. Almost made up for the all the bad stuff the UK government has been coming out with. (Also it brought Thatcher out of the woodwork. Like a large segment of the British Tory party she really is/was an authoritarian, paying lip-service to the Free Market for political reasons. You can tell them by the company they keep.)

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Recent biometrics discussion
by Tanya D. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, A member told me about the discussion of biometrics going on recently. I'm doing a research project on biometrics and would be really interested in reading through those postings. Could someone please point me to the archive where I can find recent postings about biometrics? Thanks. Tanya -- Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Josh. 1:9

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Re: dbts: The Economic Cause of Privacy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Remember, the reason we have no financial privacy these days is because we >have book-entry settlement, which relies on biometric identity, known physical >location, and the force of a nation state as the ultimate "error-handler" to >prevent repudiation in the transaction protocol. Yes, and cars break down because there are service shops. Utter nonsense. There is no financial privacy because because those who would like such thing have less power (hired guns) than those who would not like it. And those with controlling interests in modern societies do not like it because control would be lost, and population harvesting (aka taxing) would have to be radically changed, and that is expensive. The system is self-supporting. Idea that somehow smart algorithms will bring financial privacy is a good starting point for cryptoaddict's wet dream, but in reality has the same chance of success as survival rate of armed citizens against the government. Zero. (However, brandishing weapons and algorithms may alleviate some acute distress caused by excess testosterone levels :) Use of government-controlled, issued and supervised payment methods/instruments is in place because it is proscribed, not because "money/checks, etc. exist". Money is a highly artificial entity in the first place. It is "natural" to use currency-binded valuation as it is natural to go to church. And theorizing on money and economy in general has similarities to religious rituals. Therefore constructing computer-assisted anon payment schemes "because it is cheaper that way" is pointless. Money is not there to make your life easier. Money exists so that you can be taxed and conditioned to desired behaviour at minimal cost. Anonymous payments defy the principal reason money exists for, and is sanctioned (and enforced) by the state. The only way for society (or loosely coupled individuals) to function without abstractions like money (that need organized gun power to maintain) is direct exchange of goods and services with enforcement based on close relationships between parties. Has been tried, several thousand years ago, and such societies were annihilated by others who did organize. Which seems to be the fate of any anarchism in general. Barnmen

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NSA Info Sought
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An international television corporation seeks current or former National Security Agency employees and/or military members willing to provide information on the NSA base at Menwith Hill, England, and other operations of the US's global electronic surveillance and interception program. E-Mail: jy(a)jya.com JYA/Urban Deadline 251 West 89th Street, Suite 6E New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-873-8700 Fax: 212-799-4003 Anonymous and encrypted messages welcome. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBDUT1GoRBAD96qrjqMjIZK30XrvsEgsDssidjh4gjxoM3XZwYvjuNqohFUYC W6ktcjtHkITXeCP0leprRByF4LIZZp75JrR/FODnpELnTQwzQ03kD/OTRBl+m2ED /3N4T29KwwKdvEvfoKgJ8UYrAb4nS5F7W26kiKAIslpIIKBSdMCWszoBRwCg/ydS 4PuvY6YJMbHc3Ir0OpW9NZ8EANM9K1c7OKDOQEriJOtYqlwd//qKP2GQLvq7Kdel /fjZRKBDW3vRRJZvNkTpMN44eRz2wJxuQh1Jjqj/RWO7+KkeJF1ftVhWcC3kzmBa 7HX2CXmFX2Y+/Fqk1nyzDh2hD5nDidYS4uDMgNfAKs8WBVqWY9l9rHmX3LvoKIUP WYGWBADFmYF5n+6LMwnrEWJb3/G/LPTz8bupjZAX3pk7JAysJjwet1ZRfN356RuF 8p4ia4BY8evpmwG0ICW0skrzPf6EelOGef7RpQN+4CSTHaF2lsMe4PFfQSI9c7lP vGG74byiiR7V9BpWR6yhsB18FZhrCXkp44HQTFEbqbDbKwB3krQdSm9obiBZb3Vu ZyA8anlhQHBpcGVsaW5lLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjUT1GoECwMCAQAKCRCDRF/O eTbvYJ2pAJ0cPHIxXi8h0tbgWOH9NgPof7uH7QCfee3M2/PHjS59s5KTLHi1qrHu O+m5Ag0ENRPUaxAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK61qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGnVqMU 6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXpF9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFXklnN /biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2RXscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl9Ij9 WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMcfFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhdONM0 /XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGNfISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r0ApQ mwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7DVekyCzsAAgIIANDxYVQYe4ZXIS8pYMT5 RyCM1IH8Zl2D29Dem3DpaR8nIaaV7S3MqtQ78m0dH2ae5GeyVEmNl1Hbr0N2SHzi tmAMHqU2wriYsWuczFO+55Qman924+0LHJTykpj6LIzs7C426hkj23nuDc4m4y4n p8wCLg8f4ySWwDHdFNgydRwcgC6M8Z5HqFeCsUFX5KPbZjxmMyD+jzoeKSKtju4D MqTMvbotVDycnjB4P2aXEas1iie4irlgB/bNsQCFQY3KdTJsCkb70KwaK+eAzo5Y iXXREZqK9XsIR65AG5B6jenwziwrTEirCtqDs4gqBt54X/IeKIjJDIYwTmUyxIcW GK2JAEYEGBECAAYFAjUT1GsACgkQg0Rfznk272D76gCg/LOtMsq7I0NnuEp3qr/I qKmOJngAoNPsyKKflQrPkA6LAJfFXVRmRSdx =KgPx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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We spy for you
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/middle.phtml?channel=netzwelt&rub=02&cont=th…

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Re: "We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy"
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Slogan in the Subject used by Tim May. http://www.metromail.com/ sold for 845 Mio $. business: collecting and selling personal data from open sources. T. Schlickmann

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Re: PRNGs and testers.
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Hi, > > A few questions on Pseudo Random Number Generators... > > 1. Which are the best software PRNG's available today? > > 2. Are there any software implementations to test the randomness of a > PRNG ? I've looked at Diehard - is there anything else? > I found Bruce Schneier's paper on PRNGs at http://www.counterpane.com somewhat eye-opening.

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NOW! Talk of the Nation is discussing lack of reporting of certain news topics
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please try to call in between 12:00 and 1:00pm Pacific time to Talk of the Nation (1-800-989-TALK [8255]) to ask to talk about the lack of reporting on the EU's scuttled discussion of Echelon and NSA/FBI world wide spying! Ern

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RE: RE: IP: Fwd: Evaluation of Vehicle Stopping Prototype ("Kill Switch")
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin, Like it or not our society needs a police force. They have a dangerous and difficult job and I would never contend that the they should risk their lives unnecessarily. Furthermore, the 'suspect's' behavior is not defensible. But anyone who classifies a DOG as a HUMAN is DANGEROUS to other humans. > Definitely manslaughter, probably 2nd or even 1st degree murder. In That's FUCKING NUTS. Take the word manslaughter apart. int Screwball_Disney_Justice( int victim ){ int penalty; switch ( victim ){ case DOG : case MAN : penalty = ( MAX_PENALTY | BANKRUPTCY ); break; default : // covers consentual violations penalty = BANKRUPTCY; break; } return penalty; } > (I believe) every state the union the penalty for shooting a police > dog is the same as shooting an on duty police officer. Police dogs > are effectively classified as deputies. There are so many damn laws that anyone can be destroyed whenever the powers that be decide they're inconvenient. So you think a human should go to the gas chamber for killing a dog? Has the constitutionality of this been tested in any recent cases? What about the punishment fitting the crime? A few thousand bucks for a dog vs. a human life? I like animals and I think they should be treated with some respect but they are not people. My opinion of the incident was formed by the treating of a dog as human and the human as animal. BTW - what is your opinion of recent proposed laws banning the use of horses and dogs as food? A) Common sense. B) How could you eat such nice, smart animals? C) Tyranny of the Disneyfied majority. D) Total Bullshit. E) Both C and D. IMHO - E. What about cockfights? It usually lasts about 5-15 seconds and the loser becomes lunch. There is no *significant* difference between buying the chicken at the grocery and a cockfight. If you say that the difference is one of enjoying the violence - grow up. Just because the violence on the grocery store shelf is individually wrapped for your convenience doesn't alter its nature. Maybe we need a new law - a license to eat meat. Anyone who doesn't go through a course on killing their own meat should not be issued a carnivore permit with different stamps for different animal foods. Before you write the rant off as rambling crap the theme is - moronic personification and lack of perspective. Fuck Walt Disney - Because he's been fucking with our heads for decades. Every girl a princess, every boy a prince, every creature a human soul trapped in an animal's body. Mike rant, rant, rant...

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RE: Women cannot commit rape?
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "You get hard right now or I take this knife and cut your > balls off sloooowly! You have one minute." > > That is probably out in left field. I doubt it would > happen much. No, and I doubt it would work either. However any man who thinks they cannot be coerced into arousal by other (physical) means is terribly sexually naive. This is the problem with puritan judges. Some madam needs to tie him up and show him exactly how easy he could be raped -- that is if he's not impotent too. Matt

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Censored news topic censored ...
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear TOTN at NPR, This is most distressing. I was one of the very first callers to your Talk of the Nation show today whose topic was relevant news reporting in the US. My topic was the lack of reporting on the FBI's last minute sneak of the roving wire tap proposal into the intelligence budget bill. I wanted Ray to talk about the editorial process and how these things get dropped on the floor as this item is extremely important to our democracy because it is an agency charged with protecting our Constitutional rights (the FBI) who is deliberately circumventing the democratic legislative process to pass a law which was sounded defeated two years ago in open debate. Ironically, my topic was censored, and I waited an hour, while other people wanted to discuss things like how they can vent about their divorce difficulties through the Monica Lewinsky scandal, only to be dropped in the end. Would any of the NPR staff or Mr. Suarez would like to explain just what happened here? Ern -------- Ernest Hua, TeraLogic Inc, 1300 Villa St, Mountain View, CA 94041 (650) 526-6064, hua(a)teralogic-inc.com

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U.S. Group Sues To Stop Internet Pornography Act
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19981022/ts/porn_…

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Toto update...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I thought I'd post an update on my situation. I've been released from the Grand Jury in Nov. at this time. My affadavit was found to be sufficient. If further action on my part is needed I'll be contacted. As to posting the affadavit and such. I've been asked, and will comply, not to release the photo of Toto. I do intend to post the subepoena and the affadavit but only after Nov. and most likely not until after the new year and I'm sure the issues are reasonably resolved. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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