December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Christopher Barkley
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oh, yes another guy to give it up so easily! Now look, why is it that you let these people tease me with Monica Lewinsky and kiddie porn, and then take them away from me just as quickly?! WHAT THE HELL KIND OF SERVICE ARE YOU RUNNING?!?!??! Don't you like kiddie porn? Don't you want to have sex with Monica, just like the prez? And you tell that cactus humper Christopher "I like little boys" Barkley to watch his caboose! The FBI are going to be after him like cheese on a stick when they find out that Mr. I Have Lotion In My Pants goes in for children-with-llamas bestiality like he does. What a maroon! Joe C. At 08:54 PM 9/15/98 -0500, sixdegrees wrote: >Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Christopher >Barkley (barkley(a)cirr.com) asked not to be listed as your >contact with sixdegrees. > >The good news is that since you have other confirmed contacts, >you'll still be able to have a productive sixdegrees experience. >But, if you want to continue to increase your networking power, >you may want to head over to http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in >and go to MY CONTACTS and list additional contacts. > > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to >issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as >possible. >==================================================================== > > > > >E.DB.BRESP.2 >

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Re: Harald Fragner
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think Harald Fragner has to take you off the list. Talk to him about it. Hope this helps! At 09:14 PM 9/15/98 -0400, John Scott Porterfield wrote: >How do I get off this list!!! > >Bob >

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A personal response to your email to sixdegrees
by Mark Salamon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return address was: nobody(a)replay.com. I also do not know who to address this email to.) I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond. I am very confused by your email. I understand that you do not wish to receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this problem. If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to the email and put the word "remove" in the header. (This is pretty standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.) If that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address that received the original email from us. Unfortunately, if you have many email addresses (as it appears, from the bottom of your email), the only way for us to remove each is to have a sixdegrees email go to each of these email address accounts and then received a "remove" reply to each of these emails. (We have in our records references to 5 different cypherpunks email addresses: @toad.com, @cypherpunks.net, @cypherpunks.org, @algebra.com, and @ssz.com. If you wish for us not to contact you again at any of these addresses, we will need to confirm that you in fact control these email addresses. The best way for you to do this is to send an email to cancel(a)sixdegrees.com, and ask to have these email addresses removed. We will then send a reply to each email address you listed, asking you to confirm that you in fact control those email addresses and wish to have them removed. Once we receive your confirmation, we will adjust our records so you receive no further emails from us to those email addresses. For example, if I receive an email from you to this email, I will assume that you control the @toad.com email address and I will have that removed.) What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees (with the subject: Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a CONFIRMED sixdegrees user. That means that once upon a time, whether you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000 people to date). It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a contact, and he recently denied his sixdegrees relationship with you. Thus, it is not surprising that you would receive emails from sixdegrees, as you had registered for our service at one time. (I assume that the email address you used to register with sixdegrees was the @toad.com one.) sixdegrees is purely a voluntary service, and if you do not want to participate in it, then we are happy to accommodate you. We do not send out spam and take great efforts to ensure that no one receives unwanted email from us. I look forward to receiving your reply to this email. Mark Salamon General Counsel MacroView Communications Corp. Anonymous wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, the shitheads at sixdegrees spammed the Cypherpunks > list with: > > > Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Harald > > Fragner (harald(a)fragner.net) asked not to be listed as your > > contact with sixdegrees. > > > > We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently > > have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to > > have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know, > > without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our > > networking searches. > > > > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to > > http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS > > to list additional relationships. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. > > If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to > > issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as > > possible. > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > E.DB.BRESP.3 > > > > > > Just a quick update from the Cypherpunks(tm). Fortunately, we don't want > anything to do with your worthless, pathetic, spamming selves. We don't > want to be your friends and, in fact, we'd prefer it if you would crawl > under a rock and die because that seems to be the only way you'll stop > spamming our mailing list. > > We also wanted to make sure that you were aware that you currently have no > confirmed redeeming qualities, so it will be hard for you to be taken > seriously by those of us who do have a clue. As you probably know, without > any redeeming qualities, you will get lots of results every time you send > out a batch of spam. > > So, we just wanted to recommend that you head on over to your bathtub with > the rest of your coworkers, fill it up, jump in together, and then drop in > a large, plugged-in, turned-on electric heater into the water and remain > in until you stop twitching and cardiac activity ceases. > > C.LU.EFULS.2000 > > You people don't give a fuck how much excrement you shoot all over the > net, so long as you let people know of your pathetic, worthless, > disgusting service. If you can get somebody's mailing list to relay your > shit for you, so much the better, because then you don't have to > personally send it. > > Sorry, but I've had it with Sixdegrees. I've personally told you idiots > very nicely what the Cypherpunks list is, and asked you nicely to stop > spamming it. I've personally told you a method to keep people from > submitting these addresses to your worthless spam haven. Other people have > done the same thing. You haven't fixed it, indicating that you don't care. > I'm no longer asking nicely. > > A copy is being sent to your technical contact, on the assumption that > maybe he is a little more responsible, though I doubt it. > > -- The Cypherpunks List <cypherpunks(a)toad.com, > cypherpunks(a)*.cyberpass.net, cypherpunks(a)*.ssz.com, > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, and others>

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Fw: WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm]
by Neels Kriek 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Original Message----- From: Gernot Lachner <glachner(a)iafrica.com> Newsgroups: za.humour Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:57 Subject: WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm] > >Dear Special Interest, > >Congratulations on the purchase of your genuine Government Official[tm]. > >With regular maintenance your Government Official[tm] should provide you >with a lifetime of sweetheart deals, insider information, preferential >legislation and other fine services. > >Before you begin using your product, we would appreciate it if you would >take the time to fill out this customer service card. This information will >not be sold to any other party, and will be used solely to aid us in better >fulfilling your future needs in political influence. > >1. Which of our fine products did you buy? > >__ President >__ Vice-President >__ Minister >__ Governor >__ Mayor >__ Cabinet Secretary - Commerce >__ Cabinet Secretary - Other >__ Other Elected Official (please specify) >__ Other Appointed Official (please specify) > >2. How did you hear about your Government Official[tm]? >Please check all that apply. > >__ TV ad. >__ Magazine/newspaper ad. >__ Shared jail cell with. >__ Former law partner of. >__ Unindicted co-conspirator with. >__ Kwazulu-Natal crony of. >__ Procured for. >__ Related to. >__ Recommended by lobbyist. >__ Recommended by organized crime figure. >__ Frequently mentioned in conspiracy theories. (On Internet.) >__ Frequently mentioned in conspiracy theories. (Elsewhere.) >__ Spoke at fundraiser at my temple. >__ Solicited bribe from me. >__ Attempted to seduce me. > >3. How do you expect to use your Government Official[tm]? > (Please check all that apply.) > >__ Obtain lucrative government contracts. >__ Have my prejudices turned into law. >__ Obtain diplomatic concessions. >__ Obtain trade concessions. >__ Have embargo lifted from own nation/ally. >__ Have embargo imposed on enemy/rival nation/religious infidels. >__ Obtain patronage job for self/spouse/mistress. >__ Forestall military action against self/allies. >__ Instigate military action against internal enemies/aggressors/targets > for future conquest. >__ Impede criminal/civil investigation of self/associates/spouse. >__ Obtain pardon for self/associates/spouse. >__ Inflict punitive legislation on class enemies/rivals/hated ethnic > groups. >__ Inflict punitive regulation on business competitors/environmental > exploiters/capitalist pigs. > >4. What factors influenced your purchase? > (Please check all that apply.) > >__ Performance of currently owned model. >__ Reputation. >__ Price. >__ Appearance. >__ Party affiliation. >__ Professed beliefs of Government Official[tm]. >__ Actual beliefs of Government Official[tm]. >__ Orders from boss/superior officer/foreign government. >__ Blackmail. >__ Celebrity endorsement. > >5. Is this product intended as a replacement for a currently owned > Government Official[tm]? ______ > >If you answered "yes," please indicate your reason(s) for changing models. > >__ Excessive operating / maintenance costs. >__ Needs have grown beyond capacity of current model. >__ Defect in current model: >__ Dead. >__ Senile. >__ Indicted. >__ Convicted. >__ Resigned in disgrace. >__ Switched parties / beliefs. >__ Outbribed by competing interest. > >Thank you for your valuable time. > >Always remember: in choosing a Government Official[tm] you have chosen >the best politician that money can buy. > > >credits go to someone from atj. >-- >sciathán leathair ~..~ >"the mortality rate amongst humans is 100%" > >

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RE: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is not hard for me if I help
by GORDON, JEFFREY A 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/021798/web217__.html Chain letter: Poor Timothy Flyte. He's dying of ostriopliosis of the liver and is urging Internet users to forward his electronic chain letter to everyone in their address books. The letter says a children's hospital will donate 7 cents to the National Disease Society for every person who forwards the letter. But wait: There is no such disease as ''ostriopliosis,'' there is no such thing as the National Disease Society and the name Timothy Flyte apparently was taken from Peter O'Toole's character in the movie Phantoms. At the end, the letter includes a threat to those who don't forward it that ''what goes around comes around.'' This piece of e-junk is a particularly loathsome example of Internet chain letters. If you receive this letter or any other electronic chain letter, do the world a favor: Delete it without forwarding it to anyone and inform the person who sent it to you that the letter is a hoax. For the full story on this letter, see The Mining Co.'s guide to urban legends. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chiu Ngan [SMTP:simpsonngan@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:52 AM > To: dueli(a)hotmail.com; centrebet(a)centrebet.com.au; contact(a)unsw.edu.au; > Declan(a)well.com; Dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com; dlin(a)gpu.srv.ualberta.ca; > dorngan(a)hkstar.com.hk; cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cj2802(a)singnet.com.sg; > parsley(a)unforgettable.com; S.Lundy(a)unsw.edu.au; accounts(a)magna.com.au; > n.harding(a)unsw.edu.au; philiph(a)magna.com.au; ulf(a)fitug.de; > leevv(a)hotmail.com; vanessa.ho(a)mailexcite.com > Subject: Fwd: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is > not hard for me if I help > > > > >Received: from 136.148.1.253 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > > Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:55:15 PDT > >X-Originating-IP: [136.148.1.253] > >From: "Dodwell Leung" <dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com> > >To: alexccl(a)hotmail.com, z2181727(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > antonylam(a)hotmail.com, chonga(a)sbu.ac.uk, z2183890(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > lcy(a)qms.ndirect.co.uk, z2155343(a)student.unsw.edu.au, bahrid(a)hotmail.com, > daner(a)mail.mkv.mh.se, Evert.P.deVries(a)SI.shell.com, > harold.tan(a)mailexcite.com, ivanyip(a)hotmail.com, catkoo(a)hotmail.com, > jennyshek(a)hotmail.com, BKKsomporb(a)mail.nomura.com.hk, > joe621(a)netvigator.com, heyloe(a)hotmail.com, kmyk(a)hotmail.com, > kenjess(a)apanet.com.au, lawhon(a)hotmail.com, lfan(a)mail.uoknor.edu, > 95481624J(a)hkpucc.polyu.edu.hk, shukai(a)netvigator.com, > z2188635(a)student.unsw.edu.au, mattgow(a)hotmail.com, > z2192026(a)student.unsw.edu.au, z2174314(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > Steeve.Genot(a)wanadoo.fr, hsp996(a)hotmail.com, physpot(a)asiaonline.net, > pixie_tan(a)hotmail.com, pooi_lee_chow(a)hotmail.com, eeyatir(a)hotmail.com, > saralee(a)chevalier.net, patelsu(a)sbu.ac.uk, beetch(a)pacific.net.sg, > z2188232(a)student.unsw.edu.au, simpsonngan(a)hotmail.com, > yoon(a)pacific.net.sg, hamster.sol(a)lineone.net, stepcom(a)hkstar.com, > ext3366(a)yahoo.com, tinyau1(a)netvigator.com, z2193851(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > huvl(a)sbu.ac.uk, z2193612(a)student.unsw.edu.au, willmilk(a)hotmail.com, > wswinnie(a)netvigator.com, brackeye(a)hkstar.com, takleung(a)wisdom.com.hk > >Subject: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is not > hard for me if I help > >Content-Type: text/plain > >Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:55:15 PDT > > > > > >>Received: from 202.184.46.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > >> Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:39:48 PDT > >>X-Originating-IP: [202.184.46.2] > >>From: "san san" <seliness(a)hotmail.com> > >>To: alanling(a)usa.net, calviny(a)mol.net.my, chowpin(a)edb.gov.sg, > >chan911(a)pc.jaring.my, gary_wang(a)hotmail.com, junifer(a)pl.jaring.my, > >karren(a)deakin.edu.au, klay(a)okstate.edu, lkhoong(a)pc.jaring.my, > >mcch(a)hotmail.com, murphy_l(a)hotmail.com, simfong(a)pl.jaring.my, > >stchai(a)pl.jaring.my, mote(a)hotmail.com, tlliew(a)tm.net.my, > >wthong(a)pl.jaring.my, dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com > >>Subject: Fwd: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>Content-Type: text/plain > >>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:39:48 PDT > >> > >> > >>>Received: from 202.188.25.160 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > >>> Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:27:23 PDT > >>>X-Originating-IP: [202.188.25.160] > >>>From: "Lim Huey" <shaohuey(a)hotmail.com> > >>>To: alexlimyk(a)hotmail.com, audrey.looi(a)mailexcite.com, > >>kianwah19(a)hotmail.com, enyen(a)hotmail.com, s9812221(a)unitele.com.my, > >>rckj(a)hotmail.com, seliness(a)hotmail.com, stanchow(a)tm.net.my, > >>bhchua7(a)hotmail.com, csheng(a)rocketmail.com, yoongyow(a)hotmail.com, > >>ching20(a)hotmail.com, lphoo(a)hotmail.com, ken_thong(a)rocketmail.com, > >>twinsck(a)hotmail.com, poaysun(a)yahoo.com, mda97mk(a)sheffield.ac.uk, > >>yongqiang13(a)hotmail.com, sammy_lee_79(a)hotmail.com, > >>tungweileong(a)hotmail.com, lifesignx(a)yahoo.com, elim331(a)yahoo.com, > >>lwloh(a)hotmail.com, audrey.looi(a)mailcity.com, sokyee(a)pc.jaring.my, > >>kah_kit(a)hotmail.com, siewgar(a)hotmail.com, chiane(a)mailcity.com, > >>Vvpenguin(a)hotmail.com, pkleong(a)hotmail.com, phangf(a)hotmail.com, > >>rolandhii(a)hotmail.com, stjdanzel(a)hotmail.com, leesiehui(a)hotmail.com, > >>jeennwei(a)hotmail.com, chouyong(a)hotmail.com, ttc1979(a)yahoo.com, > >>guatyen(a)hotmail.com, chonkit(a)hotmail.com, thongyp(a)hotmail.com, > >>soonfung(a)hotmail.com, tsueyyin(a)hotmail.com, feiyy(a)hotmail.com > >>>Subject: Fwd: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>>Content-Type: text/plain > >>>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:27:23 PDT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:25:43 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>From: CHEW JUNN WENG <jwchew(a)rocketmail.com> > >>>>Subject: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>>>To: lmoonc(a)hotmail.com, pvcheo(a)essex.ac.uk, cwnsim(a)essex.ac.uk, > >>>> yoongyow(a)hotmail.com, lenelene(a)hotmail.com, gcping38(a)mailcity.com, > >>>> gthong(a)rocketmail.com, ching20(a)hotmail.com, > lcchuan(a)rocketmail.com, > >>>> moon(a)tm.net.my, shaohuey(a)hotmail.com, janelsl(a)tm.net.my, > >>>> csheng(a)rocketmail.com, hwooi(a)yahoo.com, dianacn(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> stjdanzel(a)hotmail.com, effyjungle(a)hotmail.com, > >bus_tard(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> lphoo(a)hotmail.com, yakasaki(a)hotmail.com, colint79(a)hotmail.com > >>>>Cc: anniesia(a)hotmail.com, pearlng(a)hotmail.com, liangser(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> choopar(a)hotmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Hello, my name is David "Darren" Bucklew. I live in > >>>>Pittsburgh PA where I attend Bethel Park High School > >>>>and participate in many sports. I have severe > >>>>ostriopliosis of the liver. (My liver is extremely > >>>>inflamed). > >>>>Modern Science has yet to find a cure. Valley > >>>>Childrens hospital > >>>>> has agreed to donate 7 cents to the National > >>>>Diesese Society for every name > >>>> on this letter.Please send it around as much as you > >>>>can. > >>>>Thank you, > >>>>Darren > >>>> > >>>>PS: For those of you who dont take 5 minutes to do > >>>>this, what goes around comes around. You can help > >>>>sick people, and it costs you nothing,yet you are too > >>>>lazy to do it? You will get what you deserve. > >>>> > >>>>_________________________________________________________ > >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? > >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>______________________________________________________ > >>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________________ > >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name: Joe Cypherpunk sixdegrees Password: rollflip In response to your request for a new sixdegrees(tm) password, we have sent you the following temporary password: rollflip. As soon as you come to the site, http://www.sixdegrees.com , and use it to log-in on the home page, it will become your official password, and your old password will be deactivated. (If you end up remembering your old password and use that to log-in at the site before using this new temporary password, the temporary password will be deactivated.) This may seem wacky, but it's for your security. And, either way, once you successfully log-in at the site, you can go to your personal profile and choose whatever password you like - in fact, we encourage you to do so. If you never requested a new password and got this message in error, just continue using your old password and e-mail us at issues(a)sixdegrees.com. ==================================================================== PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. ==================================================================== E.SI.REQPW.1

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Feb. 1, 1996, the US House of Representatives voted to pass the Telecommunications Reform Act. This Act included the Communications Decency Act, which sought to criminalize posting to the Internet any material deemed indecent and patently offensive, with no exception for socially redeeming material. On Sept. 11, 1998, the US House of Representatives voted to release the Referral of Independent Counsel Starr on the Internet. 365 individuals were Members of Congress during these two votes, 196 Republicans and 169 Democrats. Of that total, 284, or 77.6%, voted Aye both times. 185 of the Republicans, or 94.4%, voted Aye both times. 96 of the Democrats, or 56.8%, voted Aye both times. Had the Communications Decency Act withstood judicial review (which it did not), posting the Starr report to the Internet arguably would have subjected the posters to fines of $250,000 and 5 years in prison. The question of who voted for both the CDA and the release of the Starr report is not cut-and-dried, because Congress did not record a roll-call vote for the CDA in isolation, but only for its vehicle the Telecommunications Reform Act. Also, the vote Friday to post the Starr report was primarily a vote to start up impeachment machinery. Nevertheless, if accountability to the voters means anything in this democracy, the Congress members who voted "Aye" on both February 1, 1996 and September 11, 1998 ought to come in for a bit of uncomfortable public exposure. <href=http://www.tbtf.com/resource/hypocrites.html>http://www.tbtf.com/resource/hypocrites.html</a>

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Political purges and Bill C-68
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi to all of you. I know most of you personnally, except for the posts to mailing lists and public organisms. ------------------ beginning of letter --------------- Yesterday night, around 2am, I was unable to sleep and surfing the TV channels up until I fell on a movie on the ShowCase channel. This channel is devoted to repertoire cinema and less mainstream movies. As I flick to this channel, I see something I can't take my eyes off for it's overwhelming revolting topic: a bunch of corpses are on a dolly, each of one being tied by the feet to a crane cable and quickly, efficiently taken away to a big heap of corpses. Then, a lineup of peoples, waiting in line to pass before some officer. They are promplty urged to take off their clothes, aligned to face a wall and shot in the back of the head. And this continues like an dis-assembly chain. I did not bear more than a few minutes of the thing. During thoses few minutes, maybe five or six rows of five peoples were slaughtered. Peoples of all walk of life, of all ages, young and olds, male and females, beautiful and ugly, strugling or resigned were executed by an indifferent row of unintelligent and/or psychotic thugs that simply "executed orders". There was the firing squad captain that did not shoot but that gave the firing orders, so that the thugs could sleep without remorse. There was their superior supervising the whole slaughterhouse operation and finally, there was the political supervisor, dressed in the "de rigueur" grey with grey hat. This operation was clearly in the context of some political purge. I did not comprehend the full details of the context, but it appeared that it was happening during the russian revolution, or more possibly in East Germany after WW-II. The executed peoples were helpless, at the mercy of thoses thugs because they had no way to respond to death threat by death threat. Most of them had accepted their fate and walked to their death attempting to defend themselves with calm reason, useless in this context since the firing squad was composed of idiots and psychotics. One girls pleaded for her life and her great beauty made the animals of the firing squad hesitate, but was promptly shot in the head from a distance by the political supervisor. And it dawned on me that it could never had happened in a society where gun ownership was unregulated, and it also dawned on me that it is the essence of the natural outcome of all gun regulation/registration schemes. That to provide that kind of power to the ruling political class is the ultimate goal of gun registration and regulation, notwithstanding that they chose to exert it or not. Very soon (in principle on october 1st 1998), under the new bill C-68 , you will be declared a criminal in the full sense of the law, just as if you had killed somebody, if you don't register your guns (or don't plan to do so before the limit date comes up in a few years). Putting aside for a moment the tremendous costs associated with that C-68 nonsense (around 2 billions $ wasted money) we must realize that private law-abiding firearm owners account for 0.08% of all homicides commited with a firearms. So, I ask because I consider it of extreme importance, what's the ULTIMATE purpose of declaring criminal seven millions of individuals who wants nothing more than lead peacefull lifes? ----------- end of letter -------------- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal, Canada Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, PolPot and every other notorious psychotic butchers insisted on a tight control of privately owned firearms. I wonder why? "nobody runs faster than a bullet" - supposedly from Idi Amin Dada Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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US Crypto Update Fact Sheet
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://library.whitehouse.gov/PressReleases-plain.cgi?date=0&briefing=4 The White House Briefing Room September 16, 1998 FACT SHEET THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release September 16, 1998 FACT SHEET Administration Updates Encryption Policy Exports of 56-bit DES and equivalent products (hardware and software) will be streamlined (under license exception). Requirements for key recovery plans are eliminated. Exports of unlimited strength encryption products (with or without key recovery) will be streamlined (under license exception) to certain industries. The sectors are: Subsidiaries of U.S. Firms, worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Insurance companies to the same 45 countries recently approved for exports to banks and financial institution exports. Health and medical organizations (including civilian government health agencies) in the same 45 countries. Does not include biochemical/pharmaceutical manufacturers. On-line merchants for client-server applications, in the same 45 countries, with the purpose of securing electronic transactions between merchants and their customers. Does not include manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Key Recovery products will continue to be exportable under license exception worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Review of foreign key recovery agents is eliminated. Exports of "recoverable" products will be approved to most commercial firms, and their wholly-owned subsidiaries, in a broad range of countries under encryption licensing arrangements. This group of countries covers most major commercial markets including Western Europe, Japan, and Australia. The policy does not include service providers and manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Exports to end users or destinations outside this policy are possible on a case-by-case basis. Prior to export, products are subject to a one-time product technical review. # # #

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Re: US Updates Crypto Policy
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > > http://library.whitehouse.gov/PressReleases-plain.cgi?date=0&briefing=3 > > THE WHITE HOUSE > ____________________________________________________________________ > For Immediate Release > September 16, 1998 > > Administration Updates Encryption Policy [snip] > Very strong encryption with any key length (with or without key > recovery) will now be permitted for export, under license exception, to > several industry sectors. [snip] > On-line merchants in 45 countries will be able to use robust U.S. > encryption products to protect their on-line electronic commerce > transactions with their customers over the Internet. On-line merchants? Anyone care to try and purchase US-strong crypto from overseas for their WWW business? Which crypto products? What are the minimum "business" requirements? ;-) ---guy How long does it take to get approval?

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > > Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote: > > lying under oath is perjury, whether you like it or not. > > As rare as it is, I agree with Declan here. If Clinton would lie under oath > about a non-crime (ie sex between consenting adults) what would he do if > faced with a real issue? > > He should have said "Yeah, I had sex with her. What business is it of > yours?". > Presumably he should lie to protect the state. So lieing per se isn't the problem. It is the use of the privilege where it doesn't apply that upsets you. Murky water for impeachment, methinks. Furthermore, we have gone from the CDA to government publication of pornography in short order. Farbeit for any cypherpunk to complain.

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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name: Jolly CyberSnot sixdegrees password: suchlamp Congratulations Jolly. You're well on your way to becoming a full sixdegrees(tm) member. Here is your member password: suchlamp. Use it to log-in on the home page at the sixdegrees Web site, http://www.sixdegrees.com. We'll ask you for a little more information to complete your registration, and then you'll be ready to start networking. It's important that you return to the site and log-in. Your membership will not be complete until you do so. Once you've successfully logged in with your password, just go to Personal Profile and you'll be able to choose your own password. Thanks for becoming part of sixdegrees. We're looking forward to seeing you at the site. ==================================================================== PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. If you believe you received this e-mail in error, and it was not your intention to become a sixdegrees member, or if you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. ==================================================================== E.SI.BAM.1

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:47:28 -0000 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)remailer.ch> > Subject: Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd) > Presumably he should lie to protect the state. Then don't take the oath: To tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So lieing per se isn't the problem. > It is the use of the privilege where it doesn't apply that upsets you. No, it's the fact that he took an oath to tell the truth and didn't. Murky water > for impeachment, methinks. Then you don't think very well. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: A personal response to your email to sixdegrees
by Jan Dobrucki 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well... so far this is the longest response from sixdegrees I've read on cypherpunks... those guys are such numbskulls... can't they just go to the cypherpunk homepage, at: ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/Home.html get the info to get themselves of the cypherpunk mailing list...? And about folks on the list... seems awfully quite... Ende Jan D. P.S. :I remember this from a comic film... robo something... "Information is Ammunition" Mark Salamon wrote: > > (I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return > address was: nobody(a)replay.com. I also do not know who to address this > email to.) > > I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since > this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I > would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond. > > I am very confused by your email. I understand that you do not wish to > receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this > problem. If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to > the email and put the word "remove" in the header. (This is pretty > standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.) If > that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address > that received the original email from us. (remainder of the nonsense I don't care to read is cut)

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It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Bart Troyan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---Mark Salamon <mark(a)sixdegrees.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. I have now received about 10 such replies. We > will take them to heart, remove the cypherpunks and attempt to deal with > the mailing list issue in an intelligent way. > > And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already. :) > > Mark > > Bart Troyan wrote: > > > > OK, here's what happened. Someone signed up for sixdegrees using one or > > more of the cypherpunks addresses as their address, either deliberately in > > order to cause problems like this, or accidentally, not realizing what > > would happen. > > > > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of > > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out > > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial > > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines. > > > > hmmmm... > > MacroView > > 90 William Street, Suite 301 > > New York, NY 10038 > > > > Wouldn't that suck? Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the > > same day? (this is *not* a threat, just an example). You'd have bags and > > bags of zines and bills coming in daily... > > > > As I am sure you are aware, the net makes it REALLY EASY to screw someone > > over like that, by signing them up for all sorts of things with little > > effort. Even if you remove all the cypherpunks addresses, someone can come > > along and do it again. There must be a permanent solution...how about > > hardcoding a block on signing up with an address containing the string > > "cypherpunks" in your email software? Why should thousands of us on > > cypherpunks all have to do our own filtering to delete everything from > > @sixdegrees.com and still have to waste all that bandwidth when one site is > > the source of all of it, and it could be eradicated with a simple > > programming change? > > > > I assure you this is not the last time you'll see this problem occur--there > > are thousands of mailing lists out there, and lots of vindictive former > > subscribers for each one that would love to annoy everyone on the list for > > a while... and signing a list up for sixdegrees does the trick quite > > efficiently. > > > > -Bart > > > > Mark Salamon wrote: > > > What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees > > > (with the subject: Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a > > > CONFIRMED sixdegrees user. That means that once upon a time, whether > > > you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000 > > > people to date). It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a >

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128 bit or 40 bit?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Being outside North America, I have an "export" version of Internet Explorer/Netscape Navigator. These offer 40 bit encryption. (40 bit RC4, I understand). My financial institution has a 128 bit Verisign certificate. To my surprise, they claim this offers 128 bit encryption to /me/. [in transactions to https://secure.mybank.com.xx] I thought my 40 bit client limited the security to 40 bits. Who is right? Please explain. TIA

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Re: Clinton still doesnt get it
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Frondeur writes: > Why do you believe the perjury case has `reasonable doubt' problems? Watch TV and learn the answer. It's only perjury if it's material, and the judge said it wasn't material. > And the abuse of power case seems thin even to a non-lawyer. But > where does the `executive privilege stuff' come in? I don't see > that Starr listed that among his possible grounds for impeachment. Among the grounds Starr listed was Clinton's attempt to delay the investigation by raising many legal objections. He claimed privilege, for example, with respect to Secret Service testimony. Most of his efforts were ultimately overruled.

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by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Encrypting files.
by Lars Weitze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone now a program for WindozeNT to store encrypted data on harddisk. At the moment i use ZIP-Files with a Password on them (I now it is not very secure). I am living outside USA and do not want any software with backdoors ,"masterkeys" or stuff like that. Thanks ChromeDemon -- "One dead is a tragedy, thousand deads are a statistic." Karl Marx e-mail: chromedemon(a)netcologne.de http://chromedemon.home.pages.de http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-weitzela2

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RE: Democracy...
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone wrote: >Religion has nothing to do with 'faith' or 'Churches' What definition of "religion" are you using. I am very hard pressed to find single definition that does not involve *faith*, although I have yet to find a good etymological dictionary on the Internet (anyone know of one?). You are correct that religion need not have anything to do with church. >A man may be an atheist and be religious. Greek: a- (without) + [theos (god) + ismos (practice or doctrine)] Unless you can show me a religion that does not involve a god or gods, and although etymologically unjustified I would claim one that does not involve *faith*, then I would say you could NOT be both an atheist and religious. Agnostic perhaps, but not an atheist. You can be contradictory and hypocritical and claim you are many things, but we are talking about a coherent philosophy. You can be both spiritual and an atheist. Spirituality does not require faith in any external mystical element or being. Jaeger wrote: > notice the wording in the first amendment...it only restricts gov't > restrictions on religion. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" didn't you understand? As with most the constitution, however, this is theory, not practice. In practice there are many laws and case precedence establishing and preferring certain religious practices, particularly the institution of marriage. Jim wrote: > The 1st prevents the government from regulating religion, even to the > point of having the authority to define what a religion is. I agree, but clearly they have. Particularly all the IRS code involving certain exemptions for religious organizations and individuals. Like I said above, theory versus practice, we are essentially no longer living under the constitution. Matt

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sixdegreees spam
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has any cypherpunk not noticed that all sixdegrees participants have twodegreees (TM) of separation via the sixdegrees site????

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Re: 128 bit or 40 bit?
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <67ee9e3cc8499f9d72a11a2df56c48fe@anonymous> you wrote: : Being outside North America, I have an "export" version of : Internet Explorer/Netscape Navigator. These offer 40 bit : encryption. (40 bit RC4, I understand). : My financial institution has a 128 bit Verisign certificate. : To my surprise, they claim this offers 128 bit encryption to /me/. : [in transactions to https://secure.mybank.com.xx] : I thought my 40 bit client limited the security to 40 bits. : Who is right? Please explain. All browsers have the 128 bits encryption inthem, but in the non-US version it can only enabled by a 'special cert'. Banks are the only institutions that are currently allowed to recieve such an cert. This is also why fortify.net works as it does, anyways, we also offer 128 bit versions of the popular browsers *g* -- Alex de Joode | International CryptoRunners | http://www.replay.com 'A little paranoia can longer your life'

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:00:09 -0700 > Unless you can show me a religion that does not involve a god or gods, > and although etymologically unjustified I would claim one that does not > involve *faith*, then I would say you could NOT be both an atheist and > religious. Agnostic perhaps, but not an atheist. You can be > contradictory and hypocritical and claim you are many things, but we are > talking about a coherent philosophy. Try pantheism. If one fundamentaly believes that god does not exist, which clearly involves faith, then yes it is a religion. A religion is a belief system that provides a relationship between the individual and the totality of all else (the cosmos if you'll allow me). By your view an agnostic can't be religion since it is the recognition of a *lack* of faith, clearly something you require to be religous. An atheist says that god could exist but doesn't - clearly an act of faith. There are fundamentaly two types of religions, those that recognize some for of transcendance and those that don't. Quibbling over what is the 'correct' form of transcendence is as irrelevant as arguing over the 'correct' religion. In either case the same failure to understand human psychology is committed. In short it is the axiomatic assumption that there *is* a single anything that will satisfy everyone. > You can be both spiritual and an atheist. Spirituality does not require > faith in any external mystical element or being. What do you mean by 'spiritual'? Are you refering to a ghost-in-the-machine either at the individual or cosmological level? Whether one believes that mystical element is external (which if you understood God would clearly be seen to be a non sequitar with the rest of your argument) or internal is irrelevant. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: the people
by bmccaffrey＠executive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monday, September 14, 1998 - 23:20:36 Question: How is it, that the FBI has so much power? Answer: Because 'the people' didn't do swat to stop them[the FBI]. Question: How do 'the people' change the situation? Answer: 'The people' get out their banners and megaphones and march on the Congress. Question: What do 'the people' do then they[Congress] don't hear 'the people'? Answer: 'The people' go on strike. Question: What do 'the people' do when Congress doesn't care about their strikes? Answer: 'The people' fire their M16'eens at Congress which they brought with them. Question: So where are 'the people'? Answer: At home watching the coverage of these exciting events on TV.

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