December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:26:21 -0700 > > In what way are the resulting markets different from > > either the producers or consumers view? > > Views on intellectual property and the obvious marketplace changes due > to an IP or lack of IP framework would be the major difference IMHO. I Explain further, from your description of the differences there are no fundamental mentionings or views of intellectual property. As a matter of fact the specific role of the individual is never even mentioned in either definition. It's almost like there is something poping out of thin air... > > Explain further what you mean by abolition of force is a > > prerequisite please. > > Basically no person (or entity) can use force (or its derivatives) > against another person (or entity). Your long history of criminal law, > except stripped of all victimless crimes. So people don't have a right to self-defence? I agree consensual crimes are not crimes. > > And what specificaly do you mean by proper role of government? > > "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual > right to lawful defense. Is it? Or is it simply another sort of coercion to cooperate with the collective? Is it not actualy the embodyment of ideals, an attempt at utopia if you will? > Each of us has a natural right--from God--to defend his person, his > liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of > life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent > upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but > the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an > extension of our faculties? I'm interesting to see how you reconcile the belief nobody has a right to use force yet has a right to defend their life. By facluty I assume you mean our emotional and psychological makeup coupled with our sensory record of them. I'd say that such issues are not a facet of individualism but rather a characteristic of life itself. As to property, it is a consequence of our biology, if that is a consequence of our faculties, and not visa versa, I'd doubt. > If every person has the right to defend -- even by force -- his person, > his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have > the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights No it doesn't. You must first prove that a group of individuals have some right that as individuals they don't have. For one thing, even in your definition, rights are a fundamental aspect of birth as an individual. Something I've yet to see. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:33:24 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > In america the various mafias get plently of competition, > mostly by means short of actual warfare. Coke is a free > market except for police intervention, and the local church > is most certainly not a monopoly. Coke is a free-market? That's a laugh. I suggest you study the history of the Crips and related gangs, or the international Coke distributors. At no time was there more than a dozen or so groups and they worked cooperatively in many cases. As to the 'various mafias', in case you hadn't heard, they've been organized and integrated for about 30-40 years depending on who you ask. They cooperatively divide up territories and product lines between them to guarantee a minimum of violence and maximize profit for each member. However, I would lay dollars to donuts that if you were to go start your own family there would be very little consideration as to the consequences. Make no bones about it, if we're talking national or international crime it is most definitely organized and cooperatively arranged between a small set of players. That's a monopoly. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:33:24 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > market except for police intervention, and the local church > is most certainly not a monopoly. Your local church is a member of a larger international collective that does in fact use coercion in one form or another. Consider the consequences of abortion for a Catholic (true believer). Tell that to the various hospices and clinics that have been blown to kingdom come... Coercion is a much broader stroke than a simple assault. It can include real and imagined consequences to alter or limit the behaviour of others. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: Clear and present danger: FIGHT AGAINST NATIONAL ID CARD (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:42:38 +0200 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: IP: Clear and present danger: FIGHT AGAINST NATIONAL ID CARD > (fwd) > I think the original message speaks of executive, legislative, and judicial > branches. As defined by the constitution this is, in fact, the federal > government. > As a matter of practice, most if not all, of the states are > also divided this way. Article X which you quoted supports the tacit > understanding that We, the people, are not actually THE government. Really? Please expound... We, the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It in fact supports NO such interpretation unless you take it out of context and alone. Much like trying to determine the ecology of a valley by examinging a single fish... In fact what it does say is that the Constitution was implimented by the people and not by a government *granting* rights and privileges. It futher states that it does not limit the rights or privileges of the people (note it doesn't mention federal or state govts.) futher backing up that we the people are implimenting this and not the other way around. Finaly it specificaly states that the order of resolution for any issue is to see if it's specificaly given to the federal govt., if not (and it's not prohibited), then to the states (to resolve via their own representative systems), and finaly if not covered by those two documents (the US Constitution and the individual state constitution) then it is retained by the people. So we find that in fact we the people *are* the initial and final authority. The bottem line is that *the government of the United States* consists of three parties, the federal system, the state, and the people. That is the government of this country and not some figmented heirarchy that has zero basis for support. The reason the federal is broken into 3 seperate sections is so that there is a measure of conflict and confrontation involved. *THE* basis for a working democracy is the limited use of cooperation. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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by interception 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:37:23 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > At 12:30 AM 10/1/98 -0700, Matthew James Gering wrote: > > Regulation includes much more than licensing and > > registration. Try hiring a couple employees, paying > > freelance individuals, setup office space, get yourself a > > company car and do your fed income taxes. Lightly regulated > > my ass. If they enforced every word of every code strongly > > and literally it would be nearly impossible to conduct > > business. > > To the best of my observation, every single small business is > operating illegally. The situation differs from Russia only > in degree, not in kind Prove it. List he specific rules, regulations, etc. that you believe every small business is breaking.... Put up or shut up. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:50:50 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > At 09:08 AM 10/4/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > Your local church is a member of a larger international=20 > > collective that does in fact use coercion in one form or > > another. > > Send me some of whatever you are smoking. That's the best you can come up with? Sheesh. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:48:50 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Except for police intervention, anyone is free to buy coke > from dealers affiliated with the Crips, affiliated with the > Bloods, or affiliated with any one of several smaller > providers of such services. Really? I dare you to wear the colors of a Crip and then sell in the Bloods neighborhood. > Generally competition between these groups mostly resembles > the competition between Visa and Mastercard with shoot outs > being the exception rather than the rule. Shootouts are bad > for business.=20 Somebody should tell them this then since they certainly don't operate that way in the real world. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Microsoft got to where it is because of a lack of regulation Microsoft is not a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination. > The railroad industry in the mid-1800's. Railroads were highly competitive in the East. The railroad monopolies in the West were created by exclusive government land grants. Matt

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:42:58 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Microsoft is not a monopoly. In servers, where much of their > income comes from, Malarky, MS makes the vast majority of their money off end-user and single machine licenses. Look at their quarterly or yearly earning statements. > Linux is eating their lunch, It is certainly growing but the fact is that by a factor of orders of magnitude commercial Unix'es own that market. When it comes to mission critical servers Solaris, HP, & AIX own the market still. > and the > desktop is under continual threat. For a monopoly to be a > monopoly, you not only have to have most of the market, you > have to have some means of excluding others, which Microsoft > manifestly does not. Not from a lack of trying on their part and the fact that federal regulators stepped in before it became totaly regulated. > You are totally deluded. None of these are examples of > monopoly, Certainly they were. Each and every example listed (and many more) were industries which were controlled by a small number of companies whose share in the total market was squeezing out competition. The results would have been a growing number of buyouts and thinning of competition to the point that only one or two companies would have survived. except for the railroad industry where government > intervention was for the purpose of creating monopoly, not > preventing it. In the aircraft industry for example, while the number of riders was growing very quickly there was a concommitent increase in end-user ticket prices that was way out of line with the increased cost of business operations as well as a decrease in the overall safety of the industry which was exemplified by a increase in the number of air crashes and aircraft who couldn't pass maintenance inspections yet continued to fly. > The garment and food packing industries were and are a huge > network of innumerable tiny shops, All working for about 5 or 6 companies who actlualy marketed and distributed the items. Just get a Dallas Texas phone book for that period (it's a distribution hub for the clothing/garment industry even today). > and the aircraft industry > had several big companies in fierce competition.=20 Yep, in the mid-50's there were like 5 national/international aircraft operators and the number of commercial avaition manufacturers selling to the national and international carrier market was like 3. There were smaller companies like Ryan for example but they were owned by the larger companies and eventualy merged into the regular operations. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:14:16 -0700 > > Microsoft got to where it is because of a lack of regulation > > Microsoft is not a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination. They own 90% of the desktops in this country, that's a monopoly or a company a hair-breadth's away. > > The railroad industry in the mid-1800's. > > Railroads were highly competitive in the East. The railroad monopolies > in the West were created by exclusive government land grants. Not true until after the 1890's. Prior to that the railroads in the US were owned by a total of like 5 people. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:35:49 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > Malarky. Reputation is irrelevant, just examine the > > prisoners delima. > > Yet strange to report, the banks have no problem with granting me many tens > of thousands of dollars of unsecured credit. Which is exactly my point, default on a single one of those and watch what happens. > Perhaps your reputation is irrelevant. Mine, however, is obviously= > relevant. Only to you. What is important is the *fact* that you continue paying the bills. Default and all the *desire* in the world won't bring back those loans. > The continued solvency of Informix, rental car agencies, and so on and so > forth looks indicates it is possible to readily distinguish between those > who will defect in a game of prisoners dilemma, and those who will= > cooperate. That's so funny. Please produce the amount Informix lost by employee theft last year for example. If it's zero then you may have a point. I'll bet you it wasn't and isn't. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:11:04 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > At 05:28 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Brown, R Ken wrote: > > Nonsense. Most of those businesses became monopolies - or > > local monopolies - in the relatively unregulated 1880-1914 > > period.=20 > > Untrue: Actualy it is. But I'd certaily entertain any evidence you may want to present to your case...other than just saying it over and over. > > In some of them - like rail or oil in the USA - governments > > introduced regulation to *force* competition.=20 > > In the case of the railways, the governments granted and > imposed monopolies. Only after the early 1890's when the situation got so bad they had to do something. Prior to that there was no federal intervention in railroad operations per se (I say that because the US government used the railroads at a very hefty discount). > In the case of oil, I assume you are > referring to "Standard Oil", there was no monopoly, and the > government regulation had little apparent effect.=20 You assume wrong. I am talking of the entire oil industry as a whole. > Also the Standard Oil issue was about refineries, not oil > wells or oil pipelines. There was nothing to prevent any man > or his dog from setting up a refinery, and lots of them did. The issue in the oil industry isn't the refineries or pipelines or any of that other stuff. It's mineral rights. And every drop of mineral rights in this country is owned by oil companies or the US government as a result of the conflicts that took place from the late 1800's to the early 1900's. > > Recently government has forcibly broken up gas supply > > monopolies in this country. =20 > > After first forcibly creating gas supply monopolies. Actualy the local and state regulators did that back in the late 50's and early 60's the federals had no hand in it. The same happend prior to the TVA projects of the late 20's and 30's with the electric production industry. > > What happens much more often is that one company becomes > > dominant and then uses money to undersell rivals. > > Why don't you argue that they conduct sacrifices to Satan? Because then he would be doing what you like to do, change the subject and claim it's the same thing. > A big company has no monetary advantage over a small company. You know nothing of how large businesses work over small ones then. > Suppose Firm A controls 90% of the market and firm B controls > 10% of the market. Artificially low prices cost the big firm > nine times as much as the small firm. Bullshit math. The interactions are nowhere near as simple as you state. The big company has the resources to outlast the smaller company in any industry that can monopolize (an issue you seem to miss, not all industries can monopolize) and if its' smart will buy the smaller company at some point (unless prevented) as the smaller companies becomes resource starved. > Under capitalism, the > small company can duke it out on equal terms with the big > firm, and with great regularity, that is exactly what they > do. Examples please where a small firm dukes it out (sic) on equal terms with a larger one... > Garbage (what we call rubbish over here) collection is > > different again. It's not at all a nutural monopoly and > > there is nothing stopping anyone offering to do it as a > > business. But it is a natural for social ownership, > > You mistake the political adventures of your local elite for > universal laws. In some parts of the world rubbish > collection is private. In just about everyplace in the US the company doing the trash collection and dumping is private, especialy in the bigger cities. They may be working under contract for the city but the company is privately held. My suspicion is that most places on the planet, excluding control markets like Cuba, use private companies under contract for this. > In other parts of the world shoe > production is public. What country produces shoes as a function of government agency and prevents private shoe production? I must admit I nearly hurt myself laughing at this one. > In one of those nordic countries, I think Finland, the phone > system was never made a public enterprise or state regulated > monopoly, but most other things were. Then how does it operate? Who owns the switches and wires? Either it's a public utility or it's some sort of private enterprise (though it may be under contract to the government). > There is no "natural monopoly" that is not somewhere a A 'natural' monoploy, to my mind, is a company that operates in an industry that can be saturated. By saturation I mean that the demand of the market can be met by a small number (approaching 1 if left unregulated over time, usualy by by-outs or business experation) of manufacturers. The VCR industry is a great example of a 'natural' monopoly. Only a few years ago *every* VCR mechanism on the planet was made by one of 5 companies and with the cessation of Curtis-Williams, not one of them was a US company. It is not possible to buy a VCR designed and made in the US today because of this market monopolization. It is also impossible to start such a company because the costs of market entry are too enormous. There is *no* government regulation of the VCR industry outside of EOE issues to this day. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:40:34 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... > Observe that the level of harm is approximately proportional > to the level of government regulation. Please be so kind as to demonstrate by example why you believe that by de-regulating the food industry, for example, we would recieve better quality foodstuffs? Without regulation why would these companies quit mixing their products and making better systems of quality control so that the cases of E. Coli for example would decrease? Why is it that the number of deaths in this country from salmonella and related food diseases have *decreased* since the industry was regulated in the early 1920's when the problem (people getting sick or dying from adulterated foodstuffs) was at its peak? Just look at the current issues related to non-pasteurized fruit juice prodcts for a current example of the consequences of free-market economics lack of regulation and by extension responsibility and the consequences thereof. > You presuppose that government officials will be more > virtuous than private individuals. This is obviously > unlikely, since they have less reason to fear retribution > than private individuals. It's the private companies fearing retribution from the government, not the end user. Your reasoning is faulty. In an industry that is completely unregulated by anyone other than the consumer and the producer the consumer will be taken advantage of. The reason is that there is no real-world market force that will force compliance. Now some are going to scream that the consumer will, the problem is that the consumer is denied the information about/from the producer they require in order to make the reasoned judgement. The bottem line as to why free-market economies don't work is that it isn't in the producers best interest to have a educated consumer. They might buy somebody elses product or start their own company. Both of those are bad for profits. Free-market mavens forget that producers are just as greedy and corrupt as everyone else, there is no fair competition in an unregulated market given the pshychological make up of human beings. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:59 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Michael Motyka wrote: >> There is a desert which is 1000 miles across. There is a camel who can carry >> 1000 bananas maximum. The camel eats 1 banana per mile travelled. The camel >> has a total of 3000 bananas to begin with. What is the maximum number of >> bananas that the camel can get across to the other side uneaten? > >My camels don't understand/can't eat fractional bananas. Why are bananas quantized in the presense of camels? Is this a quantum-computing thing?

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:04:20 +0100 > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) > If your aim is to maximise crypto deployment, use BSD or some other > relatively free distribution license other than GNU, so that we can > more rapidly write and deploy crypto software to undermine the power > of the state. With the proviso that the original author looses all access to profits from that code, effectively doing the R&D for untold numbers of companies without compensation or even recognition (they can claim it's all theirs at that point because they don't have to release the source). ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Blanc" <blancw(a)cnw.com> > Subject: RE: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:09:55 -0700 > Free market economices don't "work", simply because they are run by humans, who regularly suffer > psychological breakdowns, envy, and mistakes of judgement, not to mention disreputable marketing > departments. Regulated economies, however, are run by government drones, and are therefore perfect > vehicles which, with unfailing success, make all of their captive customers happy. > Not so, but I appreciate the sense of irony in your comment. > Everyone knows this, as we witness the apparent success of all those regulated economies overseas > which outshine the U.S. by three (maybe four) orders of magnitude. No one over there envies the > U.S. productivity and standard of living, and they never are moved to leave and come live over here, > to give up the benefits which extreme regulation confers upon them, in place of the (admittedly > mixed) free-market fiasco which operates over here, where all things are uncertain and frighteningly > unpredictable. Simply because people see a better place does not imply it is the *best* place. Selecting the lesser of two evils does not magicaly make one a goodness. It's still an evil. > In fact, many people become so disgusted with the monopolies and disfunctional liberty which exists > here, that they regularly expatriate to go live in places like Sweden, Germany, even Canada, where > they have the peace of mind and assurance that State coercion will provide for their every need - > in a most efficient, timely, prompt, and user-friendly manner. > They never have to worry about who has more or less, who is better or worse, or who knows better > than anyone what is best for everyone. It's all been pre-established and exists incontrovertibly in > their national consumer database. It would be nice if you said something other than "I disagree". It would really be nice if you cold describe specific examples and hypothesis, but that obviously is asking too much. Ah well. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Another question about free-markets...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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