December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: DARPA Hires NetAss/TIS TO Develop Secure DNS
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This is somewhat tacky. SecureDNS exists, and TIS got export approval >a while back to publish a "bones" version, minus encryption routines. >John Gilmore and his lawyer decided that, since it only does authentication, >not message encryption, it should be ok to publish _with_ the crypto >algorithms, and it's been quietly sitting on his web pages. >Recently the Feds sent him a letter saying "Oh, no, we didn't mean >it was OK to publish/export this encryption-based authentication system >just because the law says you can, so stop it".... >Now they're paying for another version. Are they going to try something >DSS-based instead of RSA, just so you don't need encryption-capable >crypto with it, or is this going to be another scam? >Or is it just different parts of the Feds not talking to each other? > Delay is the deadliest form of denial. -- Marshall Marshall Clow Adobe Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: radio net
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Robert Hettinga wrote: > > Hey, guys, > > Someone here already said it, but nobody else got it, so I'll repeat it: > SSB, or Single Sideband. It's commercial ham radio, if you will, and all > the ships use it. I expect that you can shove anything down an SSB set that > you want, including encrypted traffic. > > Ham radio is a government nerd subsidy, and as such, doesn't do much but > make more government funded/sactioned/approved/whatever nerds. :-). > > SSB would do just fine. It's an international standard, after all, and > probably not under the control of any one government, even.e Do you need a license for that one? Can someone explain what exactly the sidebands are? It rings a bell and I used to know, but it's been around 15 years since I played with this kind of thing. It's just under the surface of my brain, but I just can't place it.

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CLINTON SPECIAL ISSUE: The Oval Orifice/Clinton Sex Therapy/Multi-taskwinsky
by STUFFED NEWS DAILY 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Predictions: Crime and Criminal Justice in the 21st Century
by User of DOOM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Predictions: Crime and Criminal Justice in the 21st Century 1. The United States will experience a significant economic recession/crisis very close to the turn of the Century. 2. As the large pool of young people born in the early 1990s become teenagers and young adults, there will be a dramatic increase in violent crime around the year 2005-2010. 3. America will experience sporadic civil disorders/riots in many of its urban areas during the next 10-15 years -- much of it related to racial/ethnic problems. 4. Terrorist acts by "fringe"/special issue groups will increase at a significant rate -- becoming a major law enforcement and security problem. 5. As faith in the criminal justice system declines, there will be a rise in vigilante-based incidents where citizens take the enforcement of crime problems into their own hands. 6. Much of middle- and upper-class America will take a "retreatist" attitude and move into private high-security communities located in suburban or rural areas. Because of technological advances, many companies and corporations will also move out of the urban environments as well. 7. Due to many of the predictions listed above, much of law enforcement and security in the 21st Century will become privatized and contractual. Traditional law enforcement agencies will primarily serve urban and rural communities. 8. Law enforcement will evolve into two major and divergent roles: traditional law enforcement and a more specialized military tactical role to deal with the growing urban violance and terrorist incidents. 9. Significant violence and unrest will plague our nation's prisons. Major prison riots will become a regular occurrence. 10. With the decrease of the possibility of major global warfare, the United States military will take on an increased domestic "peace-keeping" role with America's law enforcement agencies. John Young wrote: > > Tim asks: > > >Freeh and Company continue to mumble about "meeting > >the legitmate needs of law enforcement." What can they > >be speaking of? > ... > >Obviously his side is contemplating domestic crypto restrictions. > > Threat of terrorism will be the impetus for applying national security > restrictions domestically, for relaxing cold war limitations on spying > on Americans, for dissolving barriers between law enforcement > and military/intelligence agencies. > > Technical means for access to encrypted data will probably > come first in communications, then to stored material. There > will be an agreement for increased CALEA wiretap funding, which > is what the two cellular and wired suits against the FBI intend, > (paralleling what the hardware and software industries want from > federal buyers of security products). > > This will provide the infrastructural regime for the gov to monitor > and store domestic traffic as NSA does for the global, using the > same technology (NSA may provide service to domestic > LEA as it now does for other gov customers for intel). > > Other access will come through hardware and software for > computers, paralleling technology developed for telecomm tapping, > tracking and monitoring. > > Most probably through overt/covert features of microprocessors > and OS's, as reported recently of Wintel and others, but also > probably with special chips for DSP and software for modular > design -- why build from scratch when these handy kits are > available. > > As noted here, the features will appear first as optional, in response > to demand from commerce, from parents, from responsible > institutions, to meet public calls for protection, for privacy, for > combating threats to the American people. > > Like wiretap law, use of the features for preventative snooping will > initially require a court order, as provided in several of the crypto > legislative proposals. > > Like the wiretap orders, gradually there will be no secret court refusals > for requests to use the technology in the national interest. > > A publicity campain will proclaims that citizens with nothing to hide > will have nothing to fear. Assurance of safety will be transparent, > no clicks on the line. In a digital world, home-office devices will send > lifestyle data to the device manufacturers over the always monitoring > transparental Net. > > Personal privacy will evaporate almost unnoticeably, as with the tv > remote control, cp/defcon/bar brag, telephone, fax and forever-lovers > pillowtalk.

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cryptography and encryption
by Bernardo B. Terrado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could I interchange them. I know that the latter is under the former, but I'm still confused. Hope you'll understand. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some people they might say that I'm hard to get to know. I go my own sweet way, well that maybe so. Something about the crowd that makes me walk alone. I never had a need in me to be the party's life and soul. It's me Bernie. metaphone(a)altavista.net ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

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Re: Democracy...
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mmotyka(a)lsil.com on 16/09/98 20:02:22 Please respond to mmotyka(a)lsil.com To: Richard Bragg/UK/SSA_EUROPE cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Democracy... >> However, if you believe in something to be life changing and >> beneficial to both the >individual and society you'll want or be >> compelled to "pass it on". > >Altruistic on the surface. Regarding religion though, why do I always >get the feeling that when implemented and empowered it is judgemental >and intolerant of those who do not fall properly in line? > Because religion is dead. It is a set of man made rules interpreting what God has said. I do not want to live in a "religious" society any more than you do. Theocracy (rule by the church, small "c") is never a good idea. Deocracy??? (rule by God) is. God has already given us His instructions for healthy life and society. Most of our laws are based on them but we keep weakening them to account for our own failings and desires. >> What I wanted to illustrate is that there are absolutes, to say there >> are no obsolutes is in itself an absolute and so is self defeating. > >All right Mr. Logic, you're so sharp, give me ONE example of a *moral* >absolute. > It is wrong to abuse children. I reckon this is built in to just about all of us. It is in our nature to protect and defend our children. No matter where your are in the world this applies. Our differing cultures make some things acceptable to one and not to others but the underlying nature is still there. Also we may differ how we accomplish this. >> We must have absolutes. >> >We do: speed of light, mass of the electron, probably, but behavior? We >have behaviors that facilitate our persistance and propagation as a >species at ever increasing densities. Operating outside the boundaries >is neither right nor wrong, simply different. Not necessarily without >consequences, but simply different. Your yardstick is an hallucination >to which you cling to forlornly like a kitten clinging to a stick in a >raging river. > >Mike > >ps - is 'forlornly' really a word? I think so, but it looks odd today. Actually the speed of light varies depending on the medium and the mass of an electron with its velocity. You may deride my absolutes but if applied by all we would have no crime, no divorce etc. Boring?? Not really. Many diseases and social problems would cease or be reduced.

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PGP
by Bernardo B. Terrado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could you send me the source code of the most recent PGP. (for Unix) My server is very slow like a turtle. I don't mind if it's large. Could you please. Thank you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some people they might say that I'm hard to get to know. I go my own sweet way, well that maybe so. Something about the crowd that makes me walk alone. I never had a need in me to be the party's life and soul. It's me Bernie. metaphone(a)altavista.net ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by Wolfgang Diemert 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

application/www-form-urlencoded

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No Subject
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

looking around on various crypto sites I can't find any hashes ported to dos/win that are already compiled is anyone out there aware of a place with a copy o MD5 or SHA1 and my second question, I was also curious about PGP. In the latest version (cyberknights build) You can use 8kbits DH key or a 16Kbits RSA key, In my reasoning I would think that since DH was out before RSA and RSA was chosen for the first releases of PGP why switch to DH now, if it was better why not start out using that?

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IRS Spam on CJ
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is a follow-up to the IRS Jim Bell spam last year, the IRS troll on CNN recently and other provocations. Anybody get IRS or other spam/troll about CJ? If so, we'd like to see the message with full headers (ID omitted if you like). Post here or send privately. Anon okay, probably best. We'll share what we get. If PGP preferred use the latest PK on the servers for <jya(a)pipeline.com>, or any of the older ones. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBNgDz7YNEX855Nu9gEQIVcgCfRebUik5OdC0JDOZC0U7/C815I3cAniER uOjU/6mmkkO/edw80+qMKnN8 =xEON -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Beste Megan
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Catchy.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: Catchy. Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:34:49 -0400 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/194 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: nev(a)bostic.com Forwarded-by: Kirk McKusick <mckusick(a)McKusick.COM> From: Rick Kawala <condor(a)QueerNet.ORG> I was with a friend in Cafe Flore the other night and I had to ask the counterperson what was playing on the stereo. Sort of techno but with vocals on some tracks, minorish key, really great. Anyway, the CD arrived and track 10 is called "PGP". And yes, they're talking about *that* PGP. My God, an ode to data privacy. This computer thing is getting out of hand. :) Rick --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Industry.net Announces Premium Membership
by Industry.net News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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British Police Attempt To Sidestep E-mail Protection
by Marty Levy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

British Police Attempt To Sidestep E-mail Protection http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/118135.html (09/16/98); 12:22 PM CST By Steve Gold, Newsbytes LONDON, ENGLAND, Steve Gold, Newsbytes. Newsbytes' sources have revealed that the Metropolitan Police have been holding a series of low-key discussions with major Internet service providers (ISPs) in the UK, aiming to streamline police access to e-mail and ISP user logs. According to one reliable source, the aim of the discussions is to develop a ground-breaking agreement between the police and ISPs so that, where the police have reasonable suspicion that an individual is sending or receiving e-mail, or downloading images that involve paedophilia, then they can formally request full details of the Internet user's mailbox and system logs, for example, from the ISP in question. While the aim of the project is to avoid the need for police to obtain a formal court order to access the ISP's computer systems, Newsbytes expects there to be a massive outcry from civil libertarian groups, since the police order could well be implemented against anyone with an account with a British ISP. Newsbytes understands that an expose on the police plans will be broadcast on Channel 4 news at 19:00 hours on British television this evening. Newsbytes' sources suggest that British ISPs are under immense pressure to comply with the police system since, if they do not comply and request a court order, the police could theoretically impound their computer systems, effectively putting an ISP out of action, and perhaps business, for an unknown period of time. "While I can understand the police wanting to gain access to Internet users' files who are accessing the Net for paedophile images, this does seem something of a steamroller approach," said one industry source who spoke to Newsbytes after agreeing anonymity. Newsbytes notes that a major flaw exists in the British police's modus operandi for the proposed system, since the e-mail file servers for America Online (AOL) and CompuServe (AOL is the UK's largest ISP) are held in the US. Only the company's sales and support operations are located in the UK. "It will be interesting to see how the management of AOL and CompuServe in the US react to the news that they have to willingly hand over user logs and e-mail files to the British police," said the anonymous source. As has been proven by various cases in the US, the normal legal protection afforded postal and telephone communications by anti- wiretap legislation is not automatically extended to include e-mail. In the UK, it had been thought that the Interception of Communications Act might apply to e-mail, but the law relating to e-mail remains unproven, Newsbytes notes. Reported by Newsbytes News Network, http://www.newsbytes.com . 12:22 CST (19980916/WIRES LEGAL, ONLINE/) Copyright (c) Post-Newsweek Business Information, Inc. All rights reserved. -----------------------------------------------------------

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CDA II up for subcommittee vote today in House
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: CDA II up for subcommittee vote today in House http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980917-14617,00.html Time Digital Daily September 17, 1998 Congress to Debate CDA II This Morning By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) It was one thing to vote for the Communications Decency Act, as Congress did before the Supreme Court ruled that it was violently unconstitutional. It's quite another to knowingly circumvent that ruling by voting for its successor, as a Congressional panel may do this morning. At 10 AM this morning a House Commerce subcommittee is scheduled to debate Rep. Mike Oxley (R-Ohio)'s CDA II, and free speech advocates are in a tizzy. [...snip...]

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - September 17, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Nita Daniel
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oh Nita baby, say it ain't so! What about all that time in the Congo? What about those wombat hunting trips on the aborigine plains? What about when we made sweet love in a pile of rhinoceros shit, your fecal fetish winning me over to our true love. What about when you swore you'd always be true, even as you were pissing in my mouth? Oh that acrid, bittersweet flavor of entrails running through my loins, that ache of razor sharp knives piercing my rectum, and you said you'd always be there for me baby! Well fine! If that's the way you want it, Nita, you parking meter, you pimple on the face of a whore, you jubilant muskrat sharpener! Go back to your twinkie stuffing, you'll never see me again! Hurting, Joe Camel At 11:15 PM 9/16/98 -0500, sixdegrees wrote: >Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Nita >Daniel (machita(a)gurlmail.com) asked not to be listed as your >contact with sixdegrees. > >We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently >have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to >have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know, >without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our >networking searches. > >So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to >http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS >to list additional relationships. > > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to >issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as >possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.DB.BRESP.3 >

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Re: Isaac Lee
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Screw you Isaac Hayes! I never liked Shaft anyway. Go back to South Park you worm! Saddened, Joe CypherSyphen At 12:17 AM 9/17/98 -0500, sixdegrees wrote: >Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Isaac >Lee (zac(a)pulp-fiction.com) asked not to be listed as your >contact with sixdegrees. > >We also wanted to make sure you were aware that you currently >have no other confirmed contacts, so it will be hard for you to >have a productive sixdegrees experience. As you probably know, >without any confirmed contacts, you won't get any results from our >networking searches. > >So, we just wanted to recommend that you head over to >http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in, and go to MY CONTACTS >to list additional relationships. > > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to >issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as >possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.DB.BRESP.3 >

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by z�R� 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Coding theory, cryptography, and number theory conference at USNA
by Nina H. Fefferman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm probably the only person in the world who doesn't already know about this, but just in case, the URL is http://web.usna.navy.mil/~wdj/talk98_30.htm Nina ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Preliminary information on Conference on Coding theory, Cryptology, and Number Theory version 9-14-98 Place: USNA Math Dept Time: October 25, 26 of 1998 Coding theory and crypology/number theory will be on Sunday the 25th, including talks by Carl Pomerance and Neil Sloane. More crypology/number theory on Monday and then Prof Hilton will speak Monday night the 26th. Main speakers: Peter Hilton, SUNY Binghamton (Oct 26th, 7-8pm) Carl Pomerance, U Georgia (Oct 25th, noon?) Neil Sloane, AT&T Research Labs (Oct 24th, 4-5pm?) Other speakers will probably be local: Bill Wardlaw (USNA), some speakers from NSA, etc. All material will be unclassified. We will try to have midshipman in attendence. This conference is being supported by a generous grant from the NSA. -- David Joyner, Assoc Prof of Math US Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD 21402 (410)293-6738 wdj(a)nadn.navy.mil http://web.usna.navy.mil/~wdj/homepage.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "A Mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems." Alfred Renyi

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Aladdin DropStuff for Windows - 25% off for you!
by Aladdin Systems 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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SecDef on Crypto, Privacy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt from DoD transcription of Secretary of Defense Cohen's remarks at the Council on Foreign Relations, New York City, September 14, 1998: [Begin] Let me say one other thing about terrorism. We in this country much recognize the tension which will exist as you ask us, and we will ask all successor administrations, to protect us. And you say, how do you protect someone against terrorists? It means increased intelligence. It means increased intelligence, having greater capability on the ground or from national technical sources to find out who is planning and plotting what at what place and what time. To do that is going to put us in somewhat of a direct conflict with rights to privacy, something that we hold very dear in this country. So the more intelligence-gathering responsibilities that any administration is going to have, there's going to come a point of tension and, indeed, friction between how much are you willing to give up in order to be secure. Those are the kind of unpleasant choices that are going to be manifesting themselves in the near future. We haven't really faced up to it yet. We're starting to see some of that conflict at least intellectually develop when you see the manufacturers of software who don't like the fact that the law enforcement, the FBI, the Justice Department wants to have some method of getting into encrypted technology. You say, "Wait a minute, that's my right of privacy. I'm a businessman or woman. I want to be able to send information out over those -- those airwaves and have them completely protected." Our Justice Department says, "Wait a minute, you want us to protect you. But you're allowing criminal elements, terrorists and others -- organized crime, drug cartels -- to encrypt their telecommunications to the point where don't know what's going on. And then something is going to happen, and you'll say, where were you?" So those are the kinds of tensions that are going to continue to exist. But we're going to have to have more intelligence to effectively deal with terrorism in the future. [End excerpt] Full transcript: http://jya.com/wsc091498.htm (49K)

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... (fwd) > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:29:00 -0700 > > Atheism means that one believes that there is no God. > > You trying to claim atheism is a religion itself is like the christians > always claiming non-christians are satin worshippers. Actualy this is a straw man. Very few Christians claim Buddhist, Muslim, etc. are satan worshipers, Satan is a Christian ephigy. What they *do* claim is that those folks are worshipping false idols and as a result won't gain access to heaven at death. Vasty different than your claim. > Forget about the > origination of the word, There's your first problem, your argument won't stand in the traditional architecture of society so you want to try to get me to throw it away. This causes all terms, ideas, etc. to become irrelevant in effect forcing me to play from a vacuum. Won't do it. Though it's a nice ploy on your part. > in today's reality most atheists simply forgo > religion completely. A personal philosophy is a religion, different words but same idea. If your thesis is that for something to be a religion it requires some sort of social approval you miss the whole point. Even Jesus recognized that a persons religion didn't rely on a 'church' and the implied infrastructure. This is the reason he told his listeners to pray in a closet alone. > There is no reason to think that a god does exist, so why would one even > need to think about or believe in the negative. There is no reason to believe one doesn't either. If we take your claim at face value you need to demonstrate your test that shows the irrelevancy of god. God is not a belief in a negative, another straw man, but rather a mechanism or expression of human psychology and the need for humans to find patterns (ie reason) in things. > > Ah, so there are personal beliefs that aren't religion and > > then there are personal beliefs that are? > > Yes, beliefs based on valid reason, Ah, another of your mistakes. Religion and by extension faith are not constrained by reason or logic. It's this realisation that puts some issues and aspect of human inquiry outside of the reach of science, logic, etc. > empiricism and science are not > religious, the generally follow the path from conjecture to theory to > fact. If you're a pantheist they're the only religion (aka personal philosophy) you've got. Shortcomings in your imagination are not a reflection upon the rest of the cosmos. > You may hold lots of personal conjecture that do qualify as > beliefs but are not religious in nature, they are not exempt from > empirical evidence and the laws of thermodynamics. Beliefs based on > faith and mysticism are religious. Religion is irrational. No, only some religions are irrational. The point you're missing is not one of rationality or irrationality but rather transcendance. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mobile phone tracking, pagers, etc
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Regarding the tracking of mobile phones, are all current types of phones susceptible? There was a recent post here regarding tracking of GSM phones. TDMA/CDMA, analog/digital, PCS-band, etc, are they all equally capable of being tracked? However pagers are not, correct? They just broadcast an entire area to page instead of the pager keeping the network informed of their location. One thing I have long wondered: Why don't they make phones that "wake-up" by a paging signal and then accept the call? It might increase the connect time significantly, but it would also increase the potential stand-by time indefinitely, and the location of the user is only exposed when calls are in progress, not while the phone is on stand-by. Are there any paging services (particularly alpha paging) that work on a global scale? You would think daily pager rental service (esp. at airports) would be popular. You could have an email address, even a static phone number, that could re-route messages to any pager that you happen to have at the time (PSTN-IP-PSTN, or even easier if the pager service gives SMTP addresses, which most do these days). Similarly a PSTN-IP-PSTN interface for voice could give you a static phone number that you could dynamically forward anywhere untraceably. BTW, why are most businesses so hostile to pseudonyms? I go to rent a mailbox, paid 1 yr. in advance with cash, and they still want two pieces of photo ID to copy. Matt

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