December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: cypherpunks missing from Usenet
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Clive Feather person is emphatic only real child porn is being deleted and reported to the police; he clarified that the 1800 items listed for Sep 1997 are *total* for the existence of IWF. So, it's probably going to take me several weeks to verify his claim. I back off from my claim (based on his dialog) that they are canceling mere nudity, for now. ---guy

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NRA vs. KRA
by David Miller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From www.jya.com/cn122297.txt quoting 15 December 1997, Interactive Week: > Network Associates dropped out of the Key Recovery Alliance. But there > are plenty of major players left, even if they include some of the harshest > foes of current crypto policy. Remaining members include: > America Online Inc. > Compaq Computer Corp. > Digital Equipment Corp. > Entrust Technologies Ltd. > Frontier Technologies Corp. > Fujitsu Ltd. > IBM Corp. > Intel Corp. > NCipher Corp. > Novell Inc. > RSA Data Security Inc. > SafeNet Trusted Services Corp. > Silicon Graphics Inc. > Sun Microsystems Inc. > Trusted Information Systems Inc. Some of these players I would expect to sit at the key recovery table, but why SUN? Any of you California dudes know what's up with that? Am I right in assuming that the International Elvis marketing deal will never go through? --David Miller -- middle rival devil rim lad Windows '95 -- a dirty, two-bit operating system.

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SSZ status - post BOOM... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Dec 27 22:39:49 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199712280439.WAA00168(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: SSZ status - post BOOM... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:39:48 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1315 Hi all, Well the system seems to be back up and running without any serious problems. Will continue to monitor the status... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Explosion takes down SSZ!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Dec 27 22:33:23 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199712280430.WAA00201(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Explosion takes down SSZ!... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:30:51 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1714 Hi all, There was a power failure in my area this evening, a power transformer blew from the sound I heard just as the power went out. After verifying the UPS would keep the system up at least 20 minutes I shut the whole thing down. The system seems to be back up at this time except for a problem with the eth1 interface. I believe this is related to a glitch and will be working on it over the next few minutes. The system may be a bit unstable because I will need to reboot at least once... Sorry for any inconvenience. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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New hi-tech dog tags use encryption?... [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > PENTAGON INTRODUCING HIGH-TECH DOG TAGS > > electronic military dog tag December 27, 1997 > Web posted at: 7:58 p.m. EST (0058 GMT) > > From Correspondent Jonathan Karl > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Through triumph and tragedy and two world wars, > the military dog tag has been an American icon for generations of > soldiers and sailors. > > Today's armed forces wear the same basic dog tag that their > great-grandparents wore. But that's about to change. > > By 1999, the 1.4 million members of the active duty military will be > issued a high-tech dog tag that contains a computer chip. CNN's > Jonathan Karl reports > icon 2 min. VXtreme video > > The old dog tags had just five lines for information, which included > spaces for name, religion and blood type. The new digital tags, > however, can contain volumes of multi-media information, including > medical histories, X-rays and cardiograms. [text deleted] > "We have to be very concerned about how we protect the information > -- in who's hands would it be, should it be encrypted, could the > encryption be broken, what would happen if it ended up in the wrong > hands," says Defense Secretary William Cohen. [text deleted] > If issues of cost and privacy can be solved, the old metal dog tags > seem certain to become just another piece of military history. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by info＠aidsactionleague.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NY Times on history of public key crypto
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

By PETER WAYNER T o the list of institutions that Tony Blair's Labor Party is shaking up, add the British Secret Service. Last week, the British government's eavesdropping organization known as the Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, posted a document to its Web site describing its role in the discovery of public key cryptography. The set of algorithms, equations and arcane mathematics that make up public key cryptography are a crucial technology for preserving computer privacy in and making commerce possible on the Internet. Some hail its discovery as one of the most important accomplishments of 20th-century mathematics because it allows two people to set up a secure phone call without meeting beforehand. Without it, there would be no privacy in cyberspace. The move by the once dusty and secretive organization is clearly an attempt to recast its image as a pioneering leader of cyberspace. For the last 20 years, the public gave credit for the discovery to Martin Hellman, a professor at Stanford University, and two graduate students who worked with him at the time, Ralph Merkle and Whitfield Diffie. They started publishing their work in 1976. Three professors at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology at the time, Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir and Len Adleman soon followed with another similar approach known by their initials, RSA, which went on to become one of the dominant solutions used on the Internet. Before public key cryptography, anyone who wanted to use a secret code needed to arrange for both sides to have a copy of the key used to scramble the data, a problem that requires either trusted couriers or advance meetings. PKC, as it is sometimes known, erased this problem by making it possible for two people, or more properly their computers, to agree upon a key by performing some complicated mathematics. There is no publicly known way for an eavesdropper to pick up the key by listening in. T he new document details how three employees of the British government discovered the same approach several years earlier, but kept it a secret for reasons of national security. A spokesman for the British government's GCHQ, said that the document's release is part of a "pan-governmental drive for openness" pushed by the Labor party. The document describing the steps of invention taken by the spies was written by James Ellis, a mathematician and cryptographer who died less than a month ago. In it, Ellis describes how he suggested the existence of what he called "non-secret encryption" in 1970s. Ellis says that Clifford Cocks followed with a more practical solution in 1973 that was essentially the same thing as the algorithm published by Rivest, Shamir and Adleman. The paper also says that Malcolm Williamson discovered an algorithm in 1974 that was very similar to the work of Diffie and Hellman. They did not replicate the work done by Merkle and Hellman. In a telephone interview from his office in La Jolla, Calif., Malcolm Williamson said that he felt bad when others discovered the solution, but concluded, "I was working at the British government and that's just one of the restrictions you work under when you work for the government." Hellman said in a telephone interview that he agrees. "It must be really difficult for them to watch other people get the credit," he said. "But that's the agreement they made when they agreed to work in secret." He was also quick to point out that the secret branches of the government have the help of large budgets and classified knowledge. "Diffie, I and Merkle were working in a vacuum." he said. "If we had access to all of the classified literature of the previous 30 years, it would really be an advantage." For his part, Diffie said in a telephone interview from Cirencester, England, that he thinks that GCHQ never realized the deep importance of what the mathematicians discovered. He said that he met James Ellis several years ago and "within an hour of meeting me, Ellis said, 'You did much more with this than we did.'" Diffie also suggested that the history of ideas is hard to write because many people often find solutions to different problems only to later determine they've discovered the same thing. T he story keeps going farther back. Recently, Matt Blaze, a cryptographer employed at Bell Labs, got a copy of a memorandum from the desk of John F. Kennedy about the problem of securing nuclear weapons with launch codes. Steve Bellovin, a colleague of Blaze's at Bell Labs, said: "When I read this memo, I don't see anything that would require public key cryptography. But I think they're in the neighborhood. For so many things, the answer is the easy part. Asking the question is the hard part. I think this got them asking the questions." Historians of science will certainly spend time sorting out the various claims. David Kahn, the author of the best selling history The Codebreakers, said that he recently asked the National Security Agency to declassify some documents so he could write the proper history of public key cryptography. He said an NSA staff member told him, "I've spoken to the guys who did this, but they don't want to be interviewed now." This suggests that the NSA also may have discovered public-key systems or had a hand in exploring them. Kahn hopes that the NSA will follow in Britain's lead so an accurate history can be written. Jim Bidzos, the chief executive of RSA Data Security, the division of the publicly traded Security Dynamics that holds the patent on the RSA, said that the announcement in Britain will have no effect on the company's business. Patent law is based on the notion that the inventors trade knowledge about the invention in return for an exclusive license to practice it. In fact, it is an interesting question to wonder whether Britain could have changed the history of cyberspace by disclosing the invention and encouraging the development of widespread cryptographic security for the public. This may have been a wise move during the height of the cold war in the 70's when there were thousands of Soviet tanks poised on the edge of western Europe. Williamson also hastens to note that mathematical equations weren't considered patentable in Britain at the time and without a patent anyone could have used the invention. The RSA patent in the United States was one of the first and it is generally accepted to have expanded the definition. Others are pushing a similar question. In a debate on cryptography policy at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, John Gilmore, one of the founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the NSA should be more open. While national defense is very valuable, he suggested that the need for security in cyberspace for all citizens is going to be essential in the future. In the long run, the history of the discovery of public key cryptography is certain to be written and rewritten often in the next several years as more documents emerge from secret government laboratories. The spokesman from GCHQ promises that more documents are on the way. Hellman is philosophical. "In a way, these things are like gold nuggets that God left in the forest." he said. "If I'm walking along in the forest and I stubbed my toe on it, who's to say I deserve credit for discovering it?" He is quick to point out, however, that he shared the discovery with everyone. _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company

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An interesting atricle on "High Tech" in Wash DC
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While looking for something else on cnet.com, I found this article on technology in Washington D.C.. Think your leaders are clueless on the technology? That is because none of them use it! Take a read... http://www.cnet.com/Content/Voices/Hart/111397/index.html --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Andy Grove on Net Censorship
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just ran across this on Usenet, a quote from several months back: * C-SPAN Television, Wednesday June 5th, 1997 * * Andrew Grove, Chairman & CEO of Intel Corporation, is asked whether * bomb-making information should be censored from the Internet. * * "No. The same information is available in libraries, and we don't * censor libraries, nor should we. When I was thirteen I built a * nitroglycerin bomb. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do, * and I knew someone who had their hand blown off, but I am * adamantly against censoring such material." * * "And unlike a library, a parent can buy a program that uses keyword * monitoring to disallow Internet traffic per the parents' wishes. * Such a program is available now, and costs only $29." Very well put. Maybe Grove can be convinced that Intel should not be part of the Big Brotherish "Key Recovery Alliance." --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Africa & Anthrax - A timely model? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > MYSTERY DISEASE IN KENYA AND SOMALIA COULD BE FORM OF ANTHRAX > > Web posted at: 3:30 p.m. EST (2030 GMT) > > NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- An unexplained disease that has caused scores > of Kenyans, Somalis and livestock to bleed to death this month may > be a form of anthrax, medical experts said Sunday. > > "At the moment, the evidence that we have agrees the most with an > outbreak of anthrax," said Dr. Douglas Klaucke, acting World Health > Organization representative in Kenya. > > The evidence includes symptoms -- high fever, diarrhea, intestinal > problems, vomiting blood -- that are similar to those of intestinal > anthrax, a rare manifestation of the illness that causes stomach > ulcers and inflames the intestines. > > Another sign that anthrax may be to blame is that the disease can be > contracted by eating undercooked, infected meat -- a common practice > in Somalia and Kenya, where recent flooding has marooned thousands > of people who are eating carcasses of sick animals, Klaucke said. With the recent announcement of Anthrax innoculations to be given to all US military personnel because of potential bio-war applications many questions have come up about what this means both militarily as well as for civilian targets. Such outbreaks as the above give real-world examples of the virulence of the pathogen, efficiency of medical & political responces, as well as a base lines to compare to models for disease spread. In short, such instances as above represent the 'best effort' responce that could be expected. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Netcraft Web server survey
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Web continues its staggering growth. According to the just published Netcraft Web server survey, http://www.netcraft.co.uk/Survey , the most popular servers increased in number from 1274396 in November to 1408805 in December (a compound annual rate of over 12%.) Microsoft's Microsoft-IIS was the bigest gainer both in percentage (2.83) and numbers of sites (70838), while Apache continued to easily hold the high ground gaining only a somewhat smaller 60,000 new sites. The biggest losers were Netscape, slipping almost 3% in marketshare and NCSA. C2's Apache server, while gaining a healthy 1500 new sites for the month (for an annualized rate of 18,000 unit sales), lost 0.1% in overall marketshare. Top Servers Server Nov 97 Percent Dec 97 Percent Change Apache 695283 44.74 753341 44.79 0.05 Microsoft-IIS 280917 18.08 351755 20.91 2.83 Netscape-Enterprise 82304 5.30 88616 5.27 -0.03 NCSA 68719 4.42 68097 4.05 -0.37 Stronghold 40276 2.59 41829 2.49 -0.10 --Steve

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Some ideas (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Doug, Forwarded message: > From: "Douglas R. Floyd" <dfloyd(a)ssz.com> > Subject: Some ideas > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:18:14 -0600 (CST) > I have been pondering this: To save on bandwidth, I wonder about having > two types of OSS sites OSS? > -- a "control" site which switchboards incoming/outgoing > stuff to "data" sites. Which needs to have access to at least *all* incoming requests for data as well as a channel to other switchboard sites so they can catalog those requests and won't have to look them up more than once, after that they simply use the request as a key to a index of sources. > This would help with distributing bandwidth load, > and since "data" sites just store encrypted items, the "control" site can > be made more secure. I suspect all the traffic would need to be encrypted to get this to work well. The channels between the switchboards and the databanks also need to be encrypted in such a manner that it is transparent even to the operators what the keys are at any given time. Also, assuming the user provides a request to a switchboard, who then determines the correct server through some mechanism, contacts that databank server and requests a transmission, and finaly the databank server sends the data to the user. How do we track the various keys and verify that the user making the request is the user getting the data? Is the switchboard and databank servers simply tracking the key provided by the original request sufficient? > Another random thing is a way to build a CD-ROM jukebox that would > automatically burn a CD when data meets the requirements of "valuable", and > "offline". Then, when the data is needed again, its fished out and loaded. What you need is a pick-and-place system. It would consist of a handling mechanism, a burning mechanism, a jukebox mechanism, and a CD storage mechanism. Personaly I wouldn't want them all in one in case any one broke down the rest of the system could still keep working. Valuable to who? For how long? Who pays for the stack of CD's up front? What kind of amortization schedule are we looking at for paybacks? Since we are looking at a automated system, what does 'offline' mean when the pick-and-place goes over to the rack and pulls the CD to place in the jukebox and it is now online? How do we charge the user? > Some type of IP encapsulation using public key encryption, so machine A > that is talking to machine D would encapsulate the whole packet with machine > D's key, C's key, and B's key. Then the packet is sent to box B, which > decodes it, looks where to send it, then kicks it to C. C then looks at > it, sends it to machine D. Basically a "remailer", where each packet is > a message. > > Is this feasable at all? Yeah, mixmaster does something similar to this. The problem I have with mixmaster is that the sender has to set up the chaining and keys and such. There simply isn't a clear mechanism (as I understand mixmaster) to do this transparently. One look at the chaining file that is required is enough to explain why granny doesn't use chained mixmaster remailers. Now if we want to do it in the protocol stack then we have a problem because it isn't supported in the standard. What I would do is a little different. An example... Let's assume we have 4 remailers, A to D. The sender sends a packet to A that's header is in the clear. Once A gets it, addressed to an appropriate user to invoke the decryption process, it decrypts the body of the packet. What it assumes is there is another valid packet with unencrypted header which it passes on to B. B gets it and de-crypts it and passes it on. This happens in C and D as well. At no point does any of the processes need to do anything other than use its own key to decrypt. If that fails the packet is trashed. Since no information about its previous source was passed to D from C this failure won't propogate back up the chain, providing a measure of source security. D takes the packet, whose body is still encrypted and remails it to the next address in the header, in this example the actual destination. The issue for me is how do the remailers handle the pass-off. Here are a few of the choices: - the existing mechanism which is completely dependant on the user and their technical skill. I don't like this one, too people intensive. - the sender does it by reference to a key-server and automated chaining software. The software would ask for a sequence of available remailers from the user, go off to the key-server and get the appropriate keys, and create the nested encrypted packets. Then it only has to send them on their way. Still a tad too technical for granny I suspect. - the sender provides a source destination and a number of remailers. The software goes to the key-server, looks up the available remailers (hopefuly there are more than the number requested by the sender) and selects the appropriate number through some mechanism (PRNG is my choice). It then creates the chained packet and sends it on its way. I suspect granny could deal with this one, she knows how to count and has sonnie's email address in her mailer software. What I like about this is the key server represents a mechanism for income. It would cost say $1/month to store your key on the server and then anyone who made the request would get it. The key would automaticaly age and expire if the user didn't keep paying the fee. Further, there would be no distinction between remailers, users, or other processes as to the actual key. It would consist of a list similar to: <user_id>:<expiration_date>:<encryption_protocol>:<encryption_key> for example: ravage@ssz.com:12/30/98:PGP:3$@48@DDcq* (note that some sort of escape mechanism needs to be included so that :'s can be used in keys as well. I put the actual key last. That way I know that any : after the encryption_protocol is a part of the key.) I would have to make requests of the sort: <user_id>:<encryption_protocol> ie: ravage@ssz.com:* Where '*' would return a complete listing for that ID of all registered keys. So to use it I would send an email with the key request(s) in the body one to a line and sent it to 'key-server(a)ssz.com'. The key-server would return something like: Request: ravage@ssz.com:* Key(s): ravage@ssz.com:12/30/98:PGP:#sD81xD@)d Now there is a problem if the key is multi-part. To handle those I would put each key part on a seperate line: Key(s): ravage@ssz.com:12/30/98:Multi-Key:23$@%dSk* ravage@ssz.com:12/30/98:Multi-Key:4dseP2*! So what you would end up with is: Request: <data> Key(s): <data> Request: <data> Key(s): <data> <data> Request: <data> Key(s): <data> Hope that helps. If you use the key server idea as I am explaining it please make shure I get credit for it. As far as I am aware nobody else is using a system similar, nor has one been proposed by other parties. If you find this is an error on my part please let me know. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Some interesting WWI Info
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 621 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.TELENKO [MilTech Bard] at 08:05 EST The Autumn 1997 issue of MILITARY HISTORY QUARTERLY had an article by Norman Polmar and Thomas Allen on U.S. military plans to gas Japan during Operation Olympic. They ran accross references and put in a FOIA request. Eventually they got a copy of a document labeled "A Study of the Possible Use of Toxic Gas in Operation Olympic." The word "Retaliatory" was PENCILED in between possible and use. Apparently there were only five of these documents circulated during WW2. After the war in 1947 the document was requested by the chemical corp for historical study. In an attempt to "Redact" history, another document was issued to change all the copies to emphisis "Retaliatory" rather than the reality of the US planning to use it offensively in support of the invasion of Japan. The plan called for US heavy bombers to drop 56,583 tons of gas in the 15 days before the invasion of Kyushu than another 23,935 tons every 30 days after that -- and that was just the STRATEGIC bombing campaign. Tactical air support was in addition to that. The ground weapons would contribute 1,400 tons of gas shells. At the time of the invasion, 144,762 tons of gas shells were available. Another 9,356 tons would arrive every 30 days after the invasion. Chemical Corps casualty estimates for this attack plan were 5 million dead with another 5 million casualties. Ultimatly, it looks like the plan was not approved, but prepared for since the gas to impliment it was sent to the Pacific -- Likely as a back up to the A-bomb. Had the Japanese carried out their plan to kill Allied POW's and civilians, the Allied responce would have been horrific. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 622 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.HOLSINGER [Tom] at 09:53 EST I wasn't aware there was an _offensive_ plan, but I knew of the scale of the planned "retaliatory" use of gas. These things have a tendency to snowball. Trent doesn't mention that the plan called for mass spraying of mustard gas over urban areas _at the beginning_ of this attack. That isn't retaliation. It is extermination. My estimate of 25-30 million Japanese dead during the US conquest of Japan was based on such a use of chemical warfare, though most of the dead, IMO, would have been from starvation and malnutrition- boosted disease. Trent's discovery here shows some elements of the US government planned overt genocide on Japan. The coverup makes it appear that someone at least felt guilty about it. I'd be a lot more comfortable if there was evidence that these planners were then aware, via SIGINT, of the orders the Imperial Japanese Army had already given, when the invasion of Japan started, to murder all Allied POW's, all interned Allied civilians, and every Allied civilian they could catch in areas occupied by the IJA. My estimate is that the IJA could have murdered at least several million Allied civilians a week for months. The A-bomb, IMO, saved more lives than were lost in all of WWII. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 623 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.ZBARASCHU1 [Tony] at 10:28 EST I believe that the U.S. considered using gas at Iwo Jima, but decided not to. Trent, any evidence that this was a seriously considered plan, as opposed to a staff study that the planners drew up just to see what the necessary requirements would be? ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 624 Wed Dec 17, 1997 JOHN.BARNES [John Barnes] at 11:35 EST Moving poison gas in those quantities strikes me as reasonably good evidence that somebody was doing more than playing paper games. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 625 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.TELENKO [MilTech Bard] at 13:12 EST According to Allen and Polmar, the June 18, 1945 meeting where Harry Truman was briefed on Operation Downfall -- the over all plan to invade Japan -- by Adm King, Gen Marshall and the rest of the Joint Chiefs was probably when the topic was broached. We know now that the decision to drop the atomic bomb was made then, although the notes for the meeting only refered to "undisclosed topics.". On 21 June 1945, orders were issued by the Army to produce and ship the necessary quantities of war gas to the Pacific Theater to impliment the plan. The key passage from that Gas Attack Plan was: "Gas is the one single weapon hitherto unused which we can have readily available which assuredly can greatly decrease the cost in American lives and should materialy shorten the war." I'd say that this meeting decided that the US was unwilling to take the kind of mass casualties, using Okinawa as a model, that a conventional landing would cost and any available WMD would be used to reduce American casualties. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 626 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.HOLSINGER [Tom] at 21:43 EST Trent, Your 625's logic is convincing. The timing makes it look as though there was a Presidential decision on June 18 to conduct a strategic gas attack on Japan in preparation for the invasion, if the A-Bomb didn't work. This presents a completely different picture than what I had imagined. I thought the Japanese would have initiated genocide in the event of invasion. Instead there is fair evidence that we would have started it. My recollection is that Imperial Headquarters gave the genocide orders to Field Marshal Teruachi in July. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 627 Wed Dec 17, 1997 T.TELENKO [MilTech Bard] at 22:39 EST The thing that sticks out for me is that Truman's choice was not Invasion or the A-Bomb. It was Gas, Invasion and the A-Bomb. Any way promised a great deal of dead. Truman chose the route that was most likely to shock the Japanese into surrendering with the least loss of life. History will judge him differently in the long term because of the finding of this document. This also explains his expressed strong faith in having taken the correct corse of action. Still, we don't know exactly what was said on the subject of gas in that meeting. I suspect the full, genocidal, aspects of the gas attack plan would not have been implimented until Operation Coronet. That is, after the Japanese started murdering Allied POW's and interned/occupied civilians. Operation Olympic -- the invasion of Kyushu -- would probably have been limited to gasing the beaches and air fields after a series of raids by the carrier fleets. To lay the proper political ground work for the use of gas, the US Government would have released the newsreels of the Kamikazi attacks on the US Navy off of Okinawa and Japan. The shock that would have delivered to the American public would have prepared them for the arguement that gas was needed to win. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 628 Wed Dec 17, 1997 L.TILTON [Lois] at 23:18 EST I wonder if there were not contingency plans for gassing Berlin. The A-bomb was originally proposed to be used against Berlin, but it wasn't ready in time. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 629 Wed Dec 17, 1997 JOHN.BARNES [John Barnes] at 23:26 EST There was also some hope, in late '43 when things looked like they were coming together faster than they did, of either using the bomb to create a no-resistanc e landing area, or using it on a rail center to prevent reinforcement for D-Day. I think the biggest hope was really just to get it before Hitler, who, had the Nazis not been such nitwits, had what looked like overwhelming odds of getting there first. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 630 Thu Dec 18, 1997 T.ZBARASCHU1 [Tony] at 00:43 EST Orders to produce and ship that much gas? OK, I'll accept that as evidence that this was more than a "staff plan". OTOH, we did keep a fair amount of gas on hand in the European theater for retaliatory purposes, but this particular document does look like it was a bit more than retaliatory. Thank God for the atom bomb. Thank God I didn't have to make that decision. ------------ SFRT 1 - Reading Category 22, Topic 2 Message 631 Thu Dec 18, 1997 T.TELENKO [MilTech Bard] at 12:48 EST The American Army in WW2 carried around huge amounts of war gas as a matter of course. In Early 1943, MacArther had at his disposal in the South West Pacific area the following: o 15,000 gas Howitzer shells o 19,000 gas mortar shells o 22,500 five inch rocket shells o 18,000 aerial bombs of various sizes o 6,500 aerial spray tank kits. By the end of 1945, the US had 4.4 million gas artillery shells, 1 million mortar rounds, 1.25 million gas aerial bombs and 112,000 aerial spray tank kits. What counts is policy and the intent to follow it. The article mentions that Gen Marshall brought up the use of gas in a 29 May 1945 meeting with War Sec. Stimpson. He wanted to use gas against the "outer japanese islands" with less than our best war gas (Mustard gas) to "take the fight out of" the Japanese soldier and reduce American casualties. He then commissioned a the study I have been quoting using chemical warfare officers and USAAF targetiers -- one Col and three Capt. -- who introduced the major strategic gassing angle. I got the impression that they wanted to use their toy to the fullest, rather than smooth the invasion via reduced American casualties. I suspect my idea of military gassing only -- landing beaches and airfields -- during Operation Olympic was the most likely policy result. After the Japanese Army went on its killing spree, all bets are off. ------------

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Let's get the US Gov. to give us guns!...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the authority of training and Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Basic Cryptanalysis
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Recently it was noted here that US Army Field Manual 34-40-2, Basic Cryptanalysis, (1990) has been withdrawn from the Army's Web site. Thanks to archiving by a cpunk we offer the full manual in PDF format. See the contents at: http://jya.com/fm/fm34-40-2.htm

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Sue Congress?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. [Clearly congressmen are responsible for their actions while in office since they are civil officers. It looks like all it should take to remove a civil officer is a misdemeanor such as speeding.] Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; -- to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; -- to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; -- to Controversies between two or more States; -- between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States; -- and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. [Note that there is no federal jurisdiction for sueing your own representatives at the federal level since they are citizens of your own state, however you *can* sue the representatives of the *other* 49 states for their actions and that *is* a federal level case] In all Cases, affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. [Clearly any such claims *must* be at the level of the Supreme Court since they hold original jurisdiction, further there doesn't seem to be any mechanism they can refuse to handle the case] The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed. [Since the breaking of the oath to uphold the Constitution while a representative is a impeachable offence no jury is required. Once the case is before the Supreme Court then the Congress is required to set the time and date] The question of the day is: How does one go about submitting a case directly to the Supreme Court? The Constitution apparently leaves this up to the Supreme Court to decide in its rules of operation. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Sue Congress?... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 23:54:15 -0500 > From: David Miller <dm0(a)avana.net> > Subject: Re: Sue Congress?... > > The question of the day is: > > > > How does one go about submitting a case directly to the Supreme Court? The > > Constitution apparently leaves this up to the Supreme Court to decide in its > > rules of operation. > > In large part, yes. It is up to the Court's sole discretion whether or > not they > will hear a case. I believe that all cases they hear are appeals. I'm > pretty > sure you can't just go to the Supreme Court, but must follow due > process... The quotes from the Constitution, which you apparently didn't read, clearly indicate that the role of the Supreme Court is more than a simple appeals court. Further, while they may refuse to hear appeals, hence confirming the lower courts ruling with a supreme stamp of approval, there is *nothing* in the Constitution and hence their rules that allows them to refuse to accept cases where they are the only Constitutional jurisdiction, such as impeachment proceedings of Congressmen relating to un-constitutional actions that may result in their impeachment. Once the case is submitted to the Supreme Court then Congress, not the SC, chooses the place and time. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SUPREME COURT OF THE U.S. - RULES ..Part IV. Other Jurisdiction _________________________________________________________________ Rule 17. Procedure in an Original Action * 1. This Rule applies only to an action invoking the Court's original jurisdiction under Article III of the Constitution of the United States. See also 28 U. S. C. §1251 and U. S. Const., Amdt. 11. A petition for an extraordinary writ in aid of the Court's appellate jurisdiction shall be filed as provided in Rule 20. * 2. The form of pleadings and motions prescribed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure is followed. In other respects, those Rules and the Federal Rules of Evidence may be taken as guides. * 3. The initial pleading shall be preceded by a motion for leave to file, and may be accompanied by a brief in support of the motion. Forty copies of each document shall be filed, with proof of service. Service shall be as required by Rule 29, except that when an adverse party is a State, service shall be made on both the Governor and the Attorney General of that State. * 4. The case will be placed on the docket when the motion for leave to file and the initial pleading are filed with the Clerk. The Rule 38(a) docket fee shall be paid at that time. * 5. No more than 60 days after receiving the motion for leave to file and the initial pleading, an adverse party shall file 40 copies of any brief in opposition to the motion, with proof of service as required by Rule 29. The Clerk will distribute the filed documents to the Court for its consideration upon receiving an express waiver of the right to file a brief in opposition, or, if no waiver or brief is filed, upon the expiration of the time allowed for filing. If a brief in opposition is timely filed, the Clerk will distribute the filed documents to the Court for its consideration no less than 10 days after the brief in opposition is filed. A reply brief may be filed, but consideration of the case will not be deferred pending its receipt. The Court thereafter may grant or deny the motion, set it for oral argument, direct that additional documents be filed, or require that other proceedings be conducted. * 6. A summons issued out of this Court shall be served on the defendant 60 days before the return day specified therein. If the defendant does not respond by the return day, the plaintiff may proceed ex parte. * 7. Process against a State issued out of this Court shall be served on both the Governor and the Attorney General of that State. _________________________________________________________________ [Previous Section -] [Next Section +] [Overview] _________________________________________________________________

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constitution.articleiii.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Article III Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office. Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects. In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make. The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed. Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted. ========================================================== * Next Article--Previous Article * Table of Articles and Amendments * Overview of Full Constitution ==========================================================

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constitution.amendmentxi.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Amendment XI The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state. ========================================================== * Next Amendment--Previous Amendment * Table of Articles and Amendments * Overview of Full Constitution ==========================================================

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1251.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

§ 1251. Original jurisdiction * (a) The Supreme Court shall have original and exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies between two or more States. * (b) The Supreme Court shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction of: + (1) All actions or proceedings to which ambassadors, other public ministers, consuls, or vice consuls of foreign states are parties; + (2) All controversies between the United States and a State; + (3) All actions or proceedings by a State against the citizens of another State or against aliens.

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29.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SUPREME COURT OF THE U.S. - RULES ..Part VII. Practice and Procedure _________________________________________________________________ Rule 29. Filing and Service of Documents; Special Notifications; Corporate Listing * 1. Any document required or permitted to be presented to the Court or to a Justice shall be filed with the Clerk. * 2. A document is timely filed if it is sent to the Clerk through the United States Postal Service by first-class mail (including express or priority mail), postage prepaid, and bears a postmark showing that the document was mailed on or before the last day for filing. Commercial postage meter labels alone are not acceptable. If submitted by an inmate confined in an institution, a document is timely filed if it is deposited in the institution's internal mail system on or before the last day for filing and is accompanied by a notarized statement or declaration in compliance with 28 U. S. C. §1746 setting out the date of deposit and stating that first-class postage has been prepaid. If the postmark is missing or not legible, the Clerk will require the person who mailed the document to submit a notarized statement or declaration in compliance with 28 U. S. C. §1746 setting out the details of the mailing and stating that the mailing took place on a particular date within the permitted time. A document also is timely filed if it is forwarded through a private delivery or courier service and is actually received by the Clerk within the time permitted for filing. * 3. Any document required by these Rules to be served may be served personally or by mail on each party to the proceeding at or before the time of filing. If the document has been prepared as required by Rule 33.1, three copies shall be served on each other party separately represented in the proceeding. If the document has been prepared as required by Rule 33.2, service of a single copy on each other separately represented party suffices. If personal service is made, it shall consist of delivery at the office of the counsel of record, either to counsel or to an employee therein. If service is by mail, it shall consist of depositing the document with the United States Postal Service, with no less than first-class postage prepaid, addressed to counsel of record at the proper post office address. When a party is not represented by counsel, service shall be made on the party, personally or by mail. * 4. (a) If the United States or any federal department, office, agency, officer, or employee is a party to be served, service shall be made on the Solicitor General of the United States, Room 5614, Department of Justice, 10th St. and Constitution Ave., N. W., Washington, DC 20530. When an agency of the United States that is a party is authorized by law to appear before this Court on its own behalf, or when an officer or employee of the United States is a party, the agency, officer, or employee shall be served in addition to the Solicitor General. + (b) In any proceeding in this Court in which the constitutionality of an Act of Congress is drawn into question, and neither the United States nor any federal department, office, agency, officer, or employee is a party, the initial document filed in this Court shall recite that 28 U. S. C. §2403(a) may apply and shall be served on the Solicitor General of the United States, Room 5614, Department of Justice, 10th St. and Constitution Ave., N. W., Washington, DC 20530. In such a proceeding from any court of the United States, as defined by 28 U. S. C. §451, the initial document also shall state whether that court, pursuant to 28 U. S. C. §2403(a), certified to the Attorney General the fact that the constitutionality of an Act of Congress was drawn into question. See Rule 14.1(e)(v). + (c) In any proceeding in this Court in which the constitutionality of any statute of a State is drawn into question, and neither the State nor any agency, officer, or employee thereof is a party, the initial document filed in this Court shall recite that 28 U. S. C. §2403(b) may apply and shall be served on the Attorney General of that State. In such a proceeding from any court of the United States, as defined by 28 U. S. C. §451, the initial document also shall state whether that court, pursuant to 28 U. S. C. §2403(b), certified to the State Attorney General the fact that the constitutionality of a statute of that State was drawn into question. See Rule 14.1(e)(v). * 5. Proof of service, when required by these Rules, shall accompany the document when it is presented to the Clerk for filing and shall be separate from it. Proof of service shall contain, or be accompanied by, a statement that all parties required to be served have been served, together with a list of the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of counsel indicating the name of the party or parties each counsel represents. It is not necessary that service on each party required to be served be made in the same manner or evidenced by the same proof. Proof of service may consist of any one of the following: + (a) an acknowledgment of service, signed by counsel of record for the party served; + (b) a certificate of service, reciting the facts and circumstances of service in compliance with the appropriate paragraph or paragraphs of this Rule, and signed by a member of the Bar of this Court representing the party on whose behalf service is made or by an attorney appointed to represent that party under the Criminal Justice Act of 1964, see 18 U. S. C. §3006A(d)(6), or under any other applicable federal statute; or + (c) a notarized affidavit or declaration in compliance with 28 U. S. C. §1746, reciting the facts and circumstances of service in accordance with the appropriate paragraph or paragraphs of this Rule, whenever service is made by any person not a member of the Bar of this Court and not an attorney appointed to represent a party under the Criminal Justice Act of 1964, see 18 U. S. C. §3006A(d)(6), or under any other applicable federal statute. * 6. Every document, except a joint appendix or amicus curiae brief, filed by or on behalf of one or more corporations shall list all parent companies and nonwholly owned subsidiaries of each of the corporate filers. If there is no parent or subsidiary company to be listed, a notation to this effect shall be included in the document. If a list has been included in a document filed earlier in the case, reference may be made to the earlier document (except when the earlier list appeared in an application for an extension of time or for a stay), and only amendments to the list to make it current need be included in the document being filed. _________________________________________________________________ [Previous Section -] [Next Section +] [Overview] _________________________________________________________________

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