December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Rincin AP
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forward from Terrorism list: From: JCHV72A(a)prodigy.com (MR JAMES P DENNEY) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:45:44, -0500 To: TERRORISM(a)mediccom.org Subject: RICIN ALERT Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement Merced/Mariposa Narcotic Task Force RE: RICIN Alert The Sacramento Regional Office of the Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement has offered this alert to all it's personnel: "The following alert has been confirmed and is being shared throughout the law enforcement and intelligence community. This alert advises that nationwide trend among drug traffickers is to "bait" law enforcement officers with a white powder called RICIN. RICIN is a derivative of Castor beans and looks like powder methamphetamine. It is highly toxic and if it contacts human skin, it is fatal. The death process takes several days, depending upon the dosage, and is almost impossible to detect during an autopsy. Forensic experts advise that if you field test RICIN in the Scott Reagent Kit, it will foam and bubble extensively. The test will also produce a gas that is very similar to mustard gas and can also be lethal if inhaled. RICIN is 6,000 times more lethal than cyanide and there is no antidote. Symptoms of contact exposure to RICIN are: Fever, cough, weakness, and hypothermia, progressing to dangerously low blood pressure, heart failure and death. Due to this situation, in the event of suspect drug seziures, do not come into direct skin contact with any powdered substances, and exhibit caution of field testing any powdered substances." We are forwarding this advisory to all California EMS Agencies and recommend that each agency contact the local hospitals in their area. We are unaware if RICIN can be detected on a toxicological exam. There is a potential for someone, other than law enforcement, to become contaminated with this substance. -----

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Re: Ricin AP
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous writes: > This alert advises that nationwide trend among drug traffickers is to > "bait" law enforcement officers with a white powder called RICIN. > RICIN is a derivative of Castor beans and looks like powder > methamphetamine. It is highly toxic and if it contacts human skin, it > is fatal. The death process takes several days, depending upon the > dosage, and is almost impossible to detect during an autopsy. Ricin is a ribosome-inactivator, which inhibits protein synthesis at the cellular level by binding to and damaging the 50S ribosomal subunit. This is eventually and irreversibly fatal, although not immediately so, and the symptoms which occur in poisoned individuals are generally misdiagnosed by internists as a wide variety of other ailments. The most famous case of the use of ricin was when Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markow was assasinated by the KGB with an umbrella jab which left a microscopic porous metal sphere tainted with ricin in his leg. He died in agony a number of days later. The lethal dose of ricin in humans is microscopic, and it is a poison of choice in cancer therapy, since it destroys cells and patients are unlikely to have previous immunological exposure to it. It can be bound to monoclonal antibodies, or other carriers, to target only specific cells. > Due to this situation, in the event of suspect drug seziures, do not > come into direct skin contact with any powdered substances, and > exhibit caution of field testing any powdered substances." LOL! Like one should come in contact with ANY unknown chemical substance, powdered or not. Remember that researcher who just died after accidently getting a drop of Dimethyl Mercury on a gloved hand, not to mention the one who got a speck in her eye and succumbed to monkey herpes a couple of weeks later, despite intensive antiviral therapy. And that's not even mentioning other fun things like Thallium, and Organophosphate nerve agents, or the use of cellular penetrators like DMSO as carriers for contact poisons. Ricin isn't the only nasty substance one could use to keep jackbooted thugs out of the marijuana plants. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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TLS implementations
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Don't you know the place where there is anyone TLS implementations (source code)? Teach to me if it is here because it is known. Thank you very much.

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Deregulation of US Electricity
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17 Dec '03

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Neat quote from Ron Rivest
by Peter trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At the RSA Data Security Conference: "There are probably more people in this room working on crime *prevention* than in the entire Federal Government." -- Ron Rivest quoted (hopefully correctly) by Peter Trei ptrei(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Jailhouse Rock
by Sacramento Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[SACRAMENTO NUTLY NEWS--byline Chainsaw McCullagh]IN AN EXCLUSIVE interview at the Sacramento County Jail, former UC-Bezerkeley math professor, Theodore "Don't Call Me Teddy" Kaczynski, spoke (on the condition that his anonymity would be preserved) to a Nutly News reportwhore, a drug-smuggling prison guard, and a few inmates sharing a crack pipe in an adjoining cell. "Selective prosecution...", Kaczynski said, pausing to let the Nutly News reportwhore pass the pipe back to the far side of the cell bars, and turn on his tape recorder. "Selective prosecution," TK continued, "will be the basis of the defense I plan to raise." "A defense," he added, "which I expect will help to swing public support over to my side during my trial and subsequent execution." Seeing the skeptical glances exchanged between the reportwhore, the guard, and the crackheads in the adjoining cell, Kaczynski proceeded to explain that the American public was growing increasingly tired of sacrificial lambs being thrown to the prosecutorial wolves on the basis of patently illegal discrimanitory prejudices. "Allowing Bad BillyC in WashDC, To walk free around town, Despite Foster and Brown..." Kaczynski rapped, until noticing the icy glares from the pigmentation criminals in the next cell, then continuing in a normal cadence, "...is one thing, but prosecuting the mother of the fat broad for child abuse, while allowing Karen Carpenter's mother to walk..." The reportwhore and the jail guard, passing the crack pipe back and forth, also passed a glance that confirmed they were beginning to see the true danger involved in allowing TeddyK a legitimate trial. The whole American justice system was based on the outcome of the case being pretty well set in stone by the time it reached a jury, if a trial became unavoidable. The jury rigging process and the pretrial motions were comparable to the bidding in a bridge game, with the actual playing of the cards during the trial being mostly for show. Of course, in high-profile cases that are a must-win for government prosecutors and their behind-the-scenes handlers, the bidding process is mostly to decide how much the defendant's lawyers will be compensated for selling their client quietly down the river. McVeigh's lawyers got $15 million and a guarantee of future government largess, in return for making certain that their client got a defense that most people wouldn't find acceptable if it were their dog that was facing being 'put down' by the Feds. Legal rulings by the judge were geared toward allowing the defense team the freedom to use any tactic or evidence which would not help their client's case, or hurt the government's case. Nichol's trial was geared toward actually allowing the defense team to present a moderately legitimate defense, to preserve the pretense of justice, while risking little chance of justice ultimately triumphing. Kaczynski's trial was slated to be another quick and easy slam-dunk, with the legal eagles moving their playing pieces around in a grand game designed to ensure everyone's future reputation and earning power while maintaining the charade that Truth and Justice still play some minor part in the whole process. The key to the House of Cards known as the American Judicial System, however, is convincing the defendant and/or the public, that the game is not totally rigged from beginning to end. When either the defendant or the jury cannot be controlled, the House of Cards begins tumbling rather rapidly. The key to controlling the defendant is to convince him/her that their legal representatives are sincerely acting in their client's best interest, and are not selling him/her out, in the slightest way, in order to further their career and guarantee not missing their tee-time for their afternoon golf game with the prosecutor. The key to controlling the jury is to make certain that they are not allowed to view any evidence, or hear any point of view, which runs contradictory to the outcome which has been preordained by following 'established legal procedure.' The danger is not in Theodore Kaczynski claiming innocence...the danger is in him questioning why he, McVeigh and Bell are being prosecuted, while Clinton, Nixon and Bush were/are not. The danger is in him asking why the mother of the girl who died of Chatelaine-Incorrect obesiety is a criminal worthy of prosecution, while the mother of the girl who died of BarbieDoll-Approved anorexia is guilty of NoCrime. The danger is in asking why a teenage foreigner was prosecuted for not recognizing the signs of a broken wrist and a cracked skull in a child, while the parents, trained adult physicians, were not. The danger is in TK asking why tobacco executives, known to have participated in the deaths of millions are allowed to buy their way out of prosecution, while TimmyM and TeddyK are not. The danger is in Terrible TeddyK exercising his freedom of speech and raising socially inacceptable questions during defense of his actions. There is not a day that goes by that someone in America does not kill more people than TK ever dreamed of--individuals, government bureaucrats or corporate executives. The danger is not in Kaczynski proclaiming his innocence, the danger is in him saying, "So the fuck what? It's a predatorial universe. I'm a small fry with a large mouth. The average citizen has killed more people than me just by keeping their mouth shut and enjoying their share of the booty from the murders committed by the government and corporations that the sheeple count on to do their stealing for them." The danger is in arch-demon, Terrible TeddyK, being allowed a free voice to demand being tried alongside the US government soldier who fired a burst of taxpayer-supported bullets into the body of a Somalian mother with her baby in her arms, defending her home against assault by armed forces of foreign governments. The danger that Theodore Kaczynski presents is the same danger which James Dalton Bell represented--unfettered free-speech--uncontolled sound-bytes--a non-approved view of reality. The plain fact is that the world-view sold to us by those who control the mainstream media is so far out of whack with reality that it cannot even withstand verbal assault by StinkBombers, let alone UnaBombers. Who is Theodore Kaczynski? He is a man who has murdered fewer people than Winnie Mandela and countless other 'world leaders'. He is a man who has murdered fewer people than your average street gang leader. He is a man who has murdered fewer people than me--and, quite possibly, you. He is a dangerous man--a man who can't be bought. He is a man whom the government portrayed as someone who must--and who would--be justifiably put to death, after a 'fair' trial. A man who is now being offered a 'plea bargain' for the simple reason that he has demanded his right to speak in his own defense. That cannot be allowed in a judicial system that is built on a House of Cards that depends on its survival for all of the players to tread lightly around the thin walls of reality on which Justice in America is built. The final irony, of course, is that Terrible TeddyK, who only killed a couple of people, was parlayed into a major threat to world peace and individual security by the very people who now wish that they could dismiss him as mentally unstable, for the purpose of allowing him free speech, but mentally responsible, for the purpose of holding responsible for his actions. The final irony is that, in declaring Terrible TeddyK sane enough to execute, their is a danger in portraying him as sane enough to listen to. And the true danger of free speech is that someone may be listening. The final irony is that we, as a society, have deemed that we cannot execute those who are mad, but only those who are sane. We can only hold them responsible if their speech and actions are sane. Snell, Kaczynski, Jesus, TruthMonger...all present the same problem. We can confine them in the rubber-room, or hang them on the cross, but in doing so, we risk validating the truths they claim to speak. The danger is not in the warning contained in their speech--"Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." The danger is that someone--McVeigh, Gus-Peter, Saint Peter, A Cypher- Punk To Be Named Later--might be listening. The danger is that it does not matter if it is McVeigh, with a ton of fertilizer, saying "Something 'big' is going to happen.", or Bell, with a bottle of mercetan, saying, "Something 'small' is going to happen." What matters is that those who have heard and acted on the admonition, "Lock and Load!", are in a position to hear and act on the proclamation that "The Revolution is NOW!" The problem of Theodore Kaczynski will have to be resolved through execution, suicide, or dismissal as a madman. The problem of Clinton, Reno, Mandella, you and I...that will have to be resolved through the denial represented by selective prosecution.

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote, in reference to "immoral science" vs immoral *scientists*: >Depends. [#invoke Godwin's Law] >Consider the Nazi studies done on human susceptibility to freezing, >poisons, torture, etc., and the followon work done by various >evil empires. Some of it was just done for fun, >but some of it _was_ real science, with hypotheses and experiments, [..etc...] ............................................................. I was being picky/particular. Because consider that science does not conduct itself: it is a method developed by scientists, and it is *conducted by* them. They determine what is the right manner in which to conduct their experiments, they figure out how to determine what is valid in terms of proofs. Their findings, to be valid, must relate to the actual nature of things, to reality. But then, being humans, scientists must consider what all of this "means" to us, or about us, upon reflection. If after a time, scientists have come to depend on the "scientific method" (as established by other scientists in the past) to determine what they shall do, how they should proceed, and have given up on doing some of their own current reasoning on methodologies; if they are not sensitive to the meaning or validity of what they do, then this would be to say that it is "science" which is at fault when they inflict torture, for example, rather than those individuals who engage in those experiments. But this is like the tail wagging the dog, or like the typical Nazi excuse that "the State made me do it": "Science determined that the experiment had to be conducted this way, in order to achieve true knowledge; I had no choice." I say it is the scientist who makes the science immoral, if it be judged to be so, not vice-versa. As for the concept of morality, which I'm sure will be the next controversy brought up by someone: It is a difficult thing to pin down what morality/immorality is, because because it is an abstract concept which requires a comprehensive view on humanity, conscience, and concepts of "goodness", and because it is so mixed up with notions from religion and associations with any number of unrelated ideas and concepts. Generally it can be agreed that someone who liberally and insensitively creates pain and destruction upon humans is not "one of us", psychologically. An educator (Montessori) explained it thus: "Good is life; evil is death; the real distinction is as clear as the words." Anything which goes of the direction of life is good (and moral) while anything which goes in the other direction is of the opposite character. "The 'moral sense' ... is to a great extent the sense of sympathy with our fellows, the comprehension of their sorrows, the sentiment of justice; the lack of these sentiments convulses normal life. We cannot become moral by committing codes and their application to memory, for memory might fail us a thousand times, and the slightest passion might overcome us; criminals, in fact, even when they are most astute and wary students of codes, often violate them; while normal persons, although entirely ignorant of the laws, never transgress them, owing to 'an internal sense which guides them'. " Those who have become insensitive to this internal guidance system are generally dangerous, and risky to be around, even if you don't want to identify their inclinations as "immoral". .. Blanc

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Covert Superhighway - the missing component?
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Scratch Monkey proposes building an Eternity service using the Stego File System, provided an anonymous broadcast channel exists - it's assumed that alt.anonymous.messages will do the job. I suspect that wide deployment of Eternity would lead to this group being closed down. We need a more robust anonymous broadcast channel. Let's call it the `Covert Superhighway'. How do we build it? Ross

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May's 16Kb brain's single convolution is directly wired to his rectum for input and his T1 mouth for output. That's 16K bits, not bytes. Anal intercourse has caused extensive brain damage. \ o/\_ Timmy May <\__,\ '\, |

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how to release code if the programmer is a target for coercion
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May brought this issue up recently -- if someone develops a greatest- thing-since-sliced-bread Eternity package, then releases it. it's pretty likely that they will eventually be approached by (mi6/mossad/CIA/KCIA/etc.). What's likely to happen? Certainly they could kill you. They could make it look like random street crime, or an accident, or kill you with #16 000 in your pocket just to make it clear what their reasons were (Gerald Bull, Mossad, London, .32acp). At best, you could force them to make it very obvious it was murder, by having paranoid levels of security, but they could still kill you. If they kill the programmer (s/programmer/programmers, or just enough that the project becomes disorganized, etc.), that at worst will keep new releases of the software from coming out. At least until another group starts working on things, assuming protocols and/or source are public. Perhaps that new group would be a front for the NSA, though. A risk. More likely, they'd try to coerce you. This could include threats of death, which are best responded to by ignoring them, since they don't gain anything if they kill you. Or torture, which is equally ineffective if they kill you. Or slander/etc. to try to discredit you. (unlikely to work at least among cypherpunks, in the absence of technical attacks as well). Most likely, they would try to buy you. This could be by outright offering money for back doors, which would be great if it worked, but is unlikely to happen in the first place. If offered a bribe, you could go public with that fact (preferably after taking the money :), and worst case publically distance yourself from the project. More likely, they could try to infiltrate the technical team covertly, or ask for features which happen to be non-public security compromises, perhaps under the guise of security improvements (this presumes they are beyond the state of the art). WOrst case, one can say that if the intelligence community is far beyond the state of the art, you have no chance at protecting against covertly modified source code, modified to break in a subtle way which is not known to the general community. However, the world is already in this position -- if they solved the DLP, or even knew of subtle bugs in a processor, or whatever, tools would already be weak. Assuming the intelligence community is not so advanced that thorough inspection by the world at large won't reveal back doors or weaknesses, the solution is code review by the public. It was brought up that verifying PGP was just about at the limit of the world's capability. I agree that it is certainly beyond the level of one person, or even a small group, to verify -- plus, you want code verified by enough non-interacting entities that it is unlikely they can all be bought. I was looking around for a solution to this -- Lenny Foner at the MIT Media lab has something for his agents project which might be a solution. A system by which sections of source code are verified by individuals, signed, other sections are verified by others, etc. Then, during compilation, you could say something like "all of the security critical code must be verified by at least one of these 12 people, everything else by at least 5 people per section in this list of distinct people". It would then show where the "threadbare" sections are, and you could optionally verify them yourself, have someone else verify them for money, or post to cypherpunks asking for help. Security critical code should be encapsulated fairly well anyway -- I'd feel a lot worse about having a bug in such a part of my code than a screen refresh bug. One could potentially limit unintended side effects by running security code on its own processor, in its own sandbox, or just use a different instance of the JVM to run it. I think technical means can solve the problem of source code review and intelligence community rubber hose tactics. (preferably they'll still be handing out free money anyway, though) -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:31:04 +0000 (GMT) > From: "David E. Smith" <dave(a)bureau42.ml.org> > Subject: Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd) > > I wonder if it is the intention of those who support a ban on human cloning > > to prevent my friend who lost his forearm in the Vietnam War from having a > > new one grown and attached? > > Yup. Unless there's some remarkable breakthrough, you can't just grow an > eyeball, or a kidney, or whatever. You've gotta grow the whole body. In > time, we might be able to genegineer the process for optimal production of > the targeted body part, likely with all sorts of side effects that would > be, er, detrimental in a "real" person. Actualy, at least according to one episode of that show on TDC that Skully form the X-Files hosts, there are several groups who are working on just this thing. One female researcher has extended the life of worms (admittedly a step or two from humans) by 7 times with no apparent effect. There was a piece on CNN late last nite about some researchers discussing this as well. Their estimate is that it would be at least 5 years before there would be anything available on the open market. There is also at least two groups working on growing specific organs. One group (the one interviewed on the TDC show) is using plastic forms to grow the organs in. They can apparently grow small samples of specific cells and are looking at how to organize the growth of more complex structures such as a kidney which would include blood-vessels and such. I am sorry I don't know the name of the show. If somebody out there does please speak up. My prediction is that within 15 years there will be methods to extend human life by at least a factor of 3 and techniques to replace every organ or structure with the persons own cells (thus alleviating all tissue rejection problems) through accellerated growth mechanism based on cloning in such a way that cancer, accidents, etc. will become at best temporary tragedies. In short, unless you get your head or entire torso squished there will be methods to keep people alive for periods approaching 200 years. Further, these techniques will be available through standard insurance via your employer because they will be low cost (that's the nice thing about bio-science). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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how to release code if the programmer is a target for coercion (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: how to release code if the programmer is a target for coercion > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:16 EST > From: Ryan Lackey <rdl(a)mit.edu> > Tim May brought this issue up recently -- if someone develops a greatest- > thing-since-sliced-bread Eternity package, then releases it. it's pretty > likely that they will eventually be approached by (mi6/mossad/CIA/KCIA/etc.). > > What's likely to happen? > > Certainly they could kill you. They could make it look like random street > crime, or an accident, or kill you with #16 000 in your pocket just to make > it clear what their reasons were (Gerald Bull, Mossad, London, .32acp). Actualy they killed Bull before he could complete his Super-Gun design and get it built. There is no point to be had in killing the designer after the fact except to advertise their accomplishment except to prevent future work by that person. > More likely, they'd try to coerce you. This could include threats of death, > which are best responded to by ignoring them, since they don't gain anything > if they kill you. Or torture, which is equally ineffective if they kill you. > Or slander/etc. to try to discredit you. (unlikely to work at least among > cypherpunks, in the absence of technical attacks as well). This seems to have worked with several of the programmers at The L0pht (l0pht.com) because of their legal problems. Seems they now do work for the DoJ and other groups in return the various charges that were pending against them were dropped (or at least put on hold). > Most likely, they would try to buy you. This could be by outright offering > money for back doors, which would be great if it worked, but is unlikely to > happen in the first place. L0phtCrack is one of the major NT cracking/testing tools currently used by folks. And no, I am not implying it has been compromised only pointing out that because of the relationship of some of the programmers to law enforcement it could have been. I am not aware of the exact timing of the agreement, development, and release of the software. > If offered a bribe, you could go public with > that fact (preferably after taking the money :), Then everyone would want proof and if you couldn't produce it they would simply label you a nutcase. You probably would have mysterious accident after that sort of behaviour. Besides, even if you were to prove it - could you trust the witness protection process? > I was looking around for a solution to this -- Lenny Foner at the MIT > Media lab has something for his agents project which might be a solution. > A system by which sections of source code are verified by individuals, > signed, other sections are verified by others, etc. Then, during If the agents could infiltrate the development team what keeps them from mounting a mitm attack on the people doing the signing? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (eternity) Covert Superhighway - the missing component? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:41:53 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: (eternity) Covert Superhighway - the missing component? > - post to random newsgroups, use textual mimic functions, send > decryption keys after the stegoed data has been distributed to > disguise data until it is too late to affect distribution Isn't this going to increase latency and increase the likelihood of both sureptitious attacks (I notice the request in newsgroup A and begin putting my mitm requests in the other newsgroups - the odds being that I will get the data and then forward to the original recipient with small changes) as well as must plain missing the request? > - become a spammer, or employ some spammers. Spammers use the hit and > run approach with disposable accounts; with sufficient availability > of accounts, and the economic incentive they seem to flourish in > spite of intense displeasure of recipients. Be shure to pay with cash and use an anonymous name and address. Considering the cost of accounts this could be quite expensive. Many services do provide the first 2 weeks free or similar features. I predict that should this model be put into practice at a very broad level the ISP's won't give the free trial-periods to anonymous accounts. > - video signals: live porn shows, one on one "chat live to our model, > she will do anything you ask, blah, blah" -- high volume, easy > target for stego, plausible reasons for anonymity Is this going to be a live model or a VR relicant? If it is a live model then it should be relatively trivial to determine that persons identification and location. Another question that comes up is how many strippers are going to participate in this if they know the consequences? It's one thing to spend the night or a few weeks in the tank, a whole nother thing to spend years in there. > - subliminal channels in the TCP/IP and IPSEC protocols. Someone > posted a reference for an implementation of some subliminal channels > in the linux TCP/IP stack. These still have to show up in the actual packets and are open to sniffer attacks. Also, the individual packets can be traced from router to router. Lot's of blind alleys but you'll get there eventualy. > When people can buy a T1 to their house for £2,000/yr instead of > £20,000, we will stand a better chance. SWBT will currently sell T1 access to homes for as little as $214/mo. Would you settle for $2,568/yr.? Note that this price doesn't include routing and name resolution. I'm still (3 months later) trying to get SWBT to tell me how much they will charge for this - they supposedly offer it but I have yet to find an actual business office that support home delivery of service. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Cellular fountain of youth found [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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REMAILERS: please cut down on mccain + tea
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Crypto Kong penetration.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- 2 Since release there have been a very large number of hits on the Kong documents, and mere 102 downloads of the program, and 74 downloads of the source code. The large number of source code downloads indicates that I am only reaching the crypto techie audience, that for the most part is already able to use PGP, not the non tech audience that Crypto Kong was designed for. On my web page I have documentation as to how business users can and should use this product. (See the section "contracts and certificates" <http://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong> I and Mather Cromer have prepared a release document targeted at business users (See below) Does anyone have any suggestion of how to get the message in front of the target audience? (press release oriented towards businessmen follows: -- Announcing Crypto Kong. Free digital signatures and encryption. <http://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong/Kong.htm>. Many businessmen use a faxed signature for a contract, or for authority to act, or worse still, a shared password, as stockbrokers often do. This is almost worthless. The signature on a fax can be, and often is, a mere bitmap, not genuinely scanned in from a signature written in ink on a paper document, but merely applied digitally to an image in computer memory. If that bitmap was also applied to some other document sent to the same company, which it usually was, then the fax proves nothing. On the other hand, often one cannot wait for FedEx to deliver signed documents. The answer is digital signatures and encryption. With digitally-signed electronic documents, you can send unforgeable signed documents instantaneously across the globe. Crypto Kong is easy to use and it uses the same identity model that as businesses today use for ordinary handwritten signatures, unlike other products which impose their own different way of handling identity. Crypto Kong takes away the hassles of certificate management, public key authentication, and complicated operating instructions. Anyone can immediately use it to sign documents, to compare signatures or to encrypt sensitive messages. Kong compares the signatures on documents, rather than comparing a signature against certificates. Crypto Kong software makes it easy to send or receive digitally signed documents or use top grade encryption to keep messages private. Crypto Kong provides support for contracts and the documentation that accompanies transactions. The Crypto Kong application and detailed documentation information is available as a free download from the Kong home page: Kong is compatible only with Windows 95 and Windows NT. Complete source code is also available for download from the home page. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG SgQ8pgY/MeQpI9CfGR5kSsRdW61mSVYtqHkEMoMU 47jSLQPPmYxhaKH9MyohUU9Q9i3bzVWjwey/s3Od4 --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG gME+6HSq3N3G1iw88pJyVqcNc8dlMZhS2f+zUijA 4IpLFuTI1zY7tEU4+gDAFM6uhgcWP9IyA/3guXt7j 4WRob8mo+81LCLSyU4RiPNOilXHZTlyvZzsFMr+9d --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the state. http://www.jim.com/jamesd/

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Re: cypherpunks and guns
by Crisavec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All I'm saying is that not EVERYONE who collects a government paycheck has "diminished mental capacity" I know several people with genius level IQ's that simply don't care where they work....And that's something to remember... >> > >> >The fact that they collect a paycheck from the government is prima facie >> >evidence of diminished mental capacity. >> >> Don't bet on.... >> >> >> There is only one war, and it's not between the whites and the >> blacks, Labour and the Conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, or >> the Federation and the Romulans, it's between those of us who aren't >> complete idiots and those of us who are. >> >> >Who's side are you on? > > --Dave ************************************************************************ * There is a theory which states that if anyone ever discovers * * exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will * * instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more * * bizarre and inexplicable. * * * * There is another theory which states that this has already happened. * * * * "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy." * ************************************************************************

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Public choice theory and the politics of antitrust
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote a little about public choice theory and the politics of antitrust in my article last week: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1678,00.html Attached are excerpts from recent posts to a law and economics mailing list I'm on. I'm unsure of the reposting policy, so I'm deleting authors' names. Should be good reading anyway. -Declan === Assume for the moment that Microsoft is doing something wrong that the government should stop (a reach, I admit). If that is the case, how did the Justice Department come up with the figure of $1 million per day? Is that figure supposed to be compensatory, punitive, deterrent, or what? What goal is a daily fine supposed to accomplish that some more specifically-tailored remedy (injuntive relief, for instance) could not? Are there public choice explanations for what is driving this, and if so, what are they? === The Government's argument, I believe, is that Microsoft violated the consent order. A fine under these circumstances should punish the party that violated the order, deter it from violating the order again, and deter others from violating other orders. As for a public choice explanation, based upon the history of the present Administration, I suspect that one could be found in the records of the Federal Election Commission, i.e., I suspect that executives and shareholders of Microsoft's enemies have made far larger political contributions than Bill Gates and his colleagues. === Intel has in fact come under attack. The FTC has been investigating Intel for several months. The charge is similar to the rap on Microsoft - trying to dominate the inside of the computer by controlling the interface between the processor and "helper chips." The wonder is that Intel hasn't taken over the motherboard market - something that may also be more efficient, just as seemless integration of the operating system and browser and other applications is more efficient. Recall also that the FTC did in fact investigate Intel in the early nineties, though it filed no charges in the end. (I suspect that the FTC's institutional credibility is at stake. Since this is the second Intel probe, they're going to have come back with at least a symbolic consent decree.) Still, I would grant that the attack on Microsoft is more strident. Domestic political economy may play a role. Microsoft has vocal domestic competitors (Oracle, Netscape and Novell, for example). It's no coincidence that Republican Senator Hatch represents Novell's home state. Intel, in contrast, is viewed as the company that's keeping the foreigners at bay. Well yes, conduct and arrogance matter too. And sitting on a big pile of cash helps. That explains why a number of state AG's jumped on the anti-Microsoft bandwagon after the tobacco settlement. Finally, yes, Windows is a terrible operating system and almost everyone has an interest in seeing something better. (A confirmed Mac user, I compare Windows to the aliens in "Men in Black:" arthropod DOS stuffed into the skin of humanoid Mac.) Intel does have an incentive and the means to come up with a better operating system: Windows hurts the demand for its chips. Not surprisingly, Intel's Portland facility has 800 programmers charged with coming up with something as cool as the operating system developed by Next. Stay tuned. === [I interpret "substantial appropriable quasi-rents to be taxed away" as "campaign cash or political contributions to be expropriated as necessary by the government." --Declan] There are two reasons to go after a successful company. One possibility is that it has substantial appropriable quasi-rents to be taxed away. Even if a company's equity is high, it is not readily taxable if the assets can readily be withdrawn (e.g., Becker and Stigler's argument that Jews stayed out of agriculture because they could too easily be expropriated). The other reason for going after a successful company is to assist its competition. This may explain the attack on Microsoft ... and probably the attack on Milken as well, if you are persuaded, as I am, by Daniel Fischel's book on the case. === There has been a lot of talk about how hard Clinton has been on Microsoft. I wonder. Is it possible that Clinton has been soft on Microsoft? Hi-Tech generally has been very pro-Clinton, and contributed a lot of money to him. The fact that Justice is going after Microsoft now is not determinative. It seems to me that Microsoft was surprisingly arrogant in thinking it could get away with this blatant violation of the consent decree. THink of the Priest-Klein selection problem as applied here. PK implies that even if the judge is heavily pro-plaintiff, plaintiffs will win only 50 percent of the time in his court. The reason is that plaintiffs will bring even totally outrageous suits, knowing the judge might still rule in their favor. I suspect the same has happened with Microsoft. Confident that Clinton would block any response from Justice, they violated the consent decree. They still hope Justice will back down. So far, they are wrong (tho--has the fine been imposed yet, or has the judge delayed imposition?). The most humorous part is that Rush Limbaugh, a conservative Apple user, has been cheering for Microsoft, a notably liberal company. === > Can anybody give an efficiency explanation for this? Prima > facie, it is monopolizing conduct. Microsoft's absurd excuses are > that (a) Explorer is an integral part of Windows 95, and (b) > Allowing Netscape to come up automatically would spoil the integrity > of Windows 95. Microsoft's behavior is indeed puzzling. You would think that even though Windows has such a large market share, Microsoft would wish to enhance Window's appeal even further by making it as easy as possible for those who prefer Netscape to access Netscape easily. But, regardless of the wisdom of Microsoft's tactics, given what Eric reports about the DOJ's complaint against Microsoft, why the mighty brouhaha? Do computer users really need federal forces to help them put Netscape's icon on their Windows screen? === The DOJ wants Microsoft to be found in contempt for violating the '95 consent decree (Section IV (E)(i) of the Final Judgement) which prevents Microsoft from requiring OEM manufacturers to license other Microsoft products as a condition of recieving a license to install Windows '95 on the computers they produce -- is this not what "bundling" means? The icon business arises because three firms asked Microsoft to ammned the license agreement to allow them to remove the IE icon from the desktop and Microsoft refused to grant their requests. This is mentioned in the DOJ request for an order of contempt, but if Internet Explorer really is considered a separate product (and the DOJ claims it is) then Microsoft really isn't allowed to require firms to license it if they license Windows 95. Microsoft insists that requiring the licensing of Internet Explorer, sans icon, is still requiring the licensing of Internet Explorer, something they aren't allowed to do under the consent decree if IE is a separate product, but that it isn't a separate product so everything is just ducky. They also add that if Internet Explorer, sans icon, isn't licensed Windows won't work. They think it's silly to claim that the consent decree requires them to sell Internet Explorer, sans icon, as a part of Windows but prevents them from selling Internet Explorer, with icon, as a part of Windows. As to the why of it all... Microsoft believes, and the government agrees, that the browser itself is the seed of a new sort of operating system which will become a viable alternative to Windows 95. Microsoft says it wants reshape Windows into this new sort of operating system, the DOJ seems to want someone else to come up with it. From the DOJ's request to show cause why Microsoft should not be found in civil contempt: "Microsoft's aggressive and multi-faceted marketing of the Internet Explorer browser reflects its intense competition with other, competing Internet browsers, primarily the "Navigator" browser produced by Netscape Communications Corporation ("Netscape"). Microsoft believes that the success of competing browsers poses a serious, incipient threat to its operating system monopoly. Indeed, as Microsoft fears, browsers have the potential to become both alternative "platforms" on which various software applications and programs can run and alternative "interfaces" that PC users can employ to obtain and work with such applications and programs. Significantly, competing browsers operate not only on Windows, but also on a variety of other operating systems. Microsoft fears that over time growing use and acceptance of competing browsers as alternative platforms and interfaces will reduce the significance of the particular underlying operating system on which they are running, thereby "commoditizing" the operating system." And it's really hard for me to read this in any way other than "Microsoft is starting to realize that a web based operating system would be a better product than Windows 95 and is trying to create such an operating system, but we don't want them to because they're a monopoly." === > And about Congressional consistency: Let's suppose that Congress in July > of 1890 did indeed intend the Sherman Act to help consumers. Surely any > institution so fickle as to go from being consumers' friend to being > consumers' foe in a mere three months (by October 1890 when it hiked tariff > rates) is not an institution to be trusted with the awesome power to decide > which business practices do and do not constitute anticompetitive behavior. I would add: Why would anyone expect a Congress (1) in which a single majority party leader appointed the chairmen of each legislative committee (2) that used its committees to appoint the vast majority of federal workers (3) operating in an environment in which the pressure group had not yet emerged, to serve consumers? There is not only an antitrust myth, there is a myth among economists that the legislators of the period had any reason to make decisions based on the logic of economics. We might call this the legislature myth. The antritrust myth and the legislature myth seem to be stories we tell our little children in order to avoid scaring them. Unfortunately, many professional economists treat their students like little kids. === > So, you and I also agree that Congress often does stupid things. But what > is the alternative - do you know of a better system? Yep. A common-law system with no antitrust statutes. ===

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More on the POLITICS of antitrust
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded === At some points over the last decade, I would have said that the large-firm monopolization case was dead. We had learned our lesson - big-time trust-busting didn't pay. Mergers were OK and so were businesses that succeed by competing hard. The few initiatives didn't go very far: the early 1990s FTC investigation of Microsoft deadlocked; DOJ then wrested a largely cosmetic consent decree in 1994/95; the FTC looked at but then walked away from Intel. The political will to do any real damage seemed to be lacking, perhaps because these were successful export industries. Not so now. The events of the last few months suggest that the outlook is more serious both for Microsoft and for Intel, and further down the road, for firms like Cisco (king of the network routers) or Sun (if Java ever lives up to its hype). Money attracts politics (hence the bevy of attorney generals in action now), and we were foolish to expect otherwise. The implicit policy of going easy on America's information technology success stories has been abandoned. Aside from the competitor complaints and aside from the simple populist attack on wealth, another factor may play a role: populist resentment of the "digerati" (those who are computer savvy). (I intend a parallel with the late 1920s, when despite the general boom, large segments - the buggy whip manufacturers - complained about "profitless prosperity," laying the political groundwork for Hoover's veiled New Dealism. No, I am not predicting another Great Depression.) ===

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Re: Covert Superhighway - the missing component? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:36:13 -0800 > Original-From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Covert Superhighway - the missing component? > - CU-SeeMe reflectors are fun, and you can stego a lot of traffic > inside your pictures. The problem here is the processor overhead requied to take advantage of a high frame rate. The startup costs are gonna be a bear. > Adam Back's idea of piggybacking on gaming nets could be > among the more interesting approaches, at least for games > that don't have a central control system. The problem here is that most gamers are responce-sensitive. They'll begin to wonder at some point where all that extra bandwidth is going. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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