December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [RePol] Denizen
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ralph Hotmail wrote: > > In a moment of boredom, I took the opportunity to check into "Denizen". > I also read his posts under a number of names to the critical mass > mailing list and their replies. > In saner moments, Beckjord runs the UFO and Bigfoot Museum. > > This is the person who wants to use BCC from an anonymous remailer to > get his opinion to the subscribers of the Critical Mass list. The > message is simple - if you help him out,you can kiss your remailer > goodbye. Perhaps Ralph could help the anonymous remailer 'cause' by providing remailer operators with a list of the 'bad' people who should not be allowed to use remailers to promote their 'wrong' views. Maybe Mr. Hotmail could also provide a list of 'bad' words and 'bad' subjects that should be blocked, as well. I suggest blocking Ralphie 'Kiss Your Remailer Goodbye' Hotmail. Of course, I'm a Nazi fuck... NaziFuckMonger

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Hat3 gr0ups
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

could any kind soul please repost the message on hate groups and how mentioning the founding fathers constitutes a hateg roup. thanks This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: PGP 5.0 ConsensuS?? -- is it usable?
by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:06 97/11/28 GMT, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: > * Anonymous Remailer wrote: > >Do you think that it is a good idea to migrate from pgp 2.6.3 to > >pgp 5.0 now? > > No. Yes.

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Re: How to spot a hate group [was Re: Update On Jim Bell]
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

- -----Original Message----- From: Brad Dolan <bdolan(a)usit.net> [snip] >Professor Joyce Malcolm of Bentley College in Massachusetts >was the chair of the panel on which I sat. She showed me >something quite disturbing from another presentation that >she had attended. The paper attempted to determine if the >Montana Militia could be considered a "hate group" or >not. Among the methods by which they determined this was >examination of the phrases and concerned in Montana Militia >literature. Among the phrases or subjects that would >classify a group as a "hate group" were: > >1. Discussion of the Bill of Rights, especially the >Second Amendment. > >2. Discussion of military oppression, in the U.S. or >elsewhere. > >3. Discussion of the Framers of our government. > >She showed me a copy of the criteria used by the criminologists >in question, and these were among the criteria. I guess >the ACLU and Amnesty International are hate groups also. >Very disturbing. No wonder the EPA and every other bureaucrat is stocking up on weaponry of all kinds...Almost everyone in America is an anti-government extremist hate group member. Here is some "hate speech" from a Dead White Guy to ponder: "They tell us we are weak-unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies have bound us hand and foot? We are not weak if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature has placed in our power. Millions of people armed in the hold cause of Liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible. Besides, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Many cry 'Peace, peace'-but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! Why stand we here idle? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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by Jugs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Jugs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Continuing coverage of Internet gaming
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Roulette Wheel Land on 'Ban' or 'Tax'? http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/8479.html Net Gaming Operator Wins Court Round http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/8807.html

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BXA Meet in DC
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Should anyone attend the BXA meeting in DC referenced below, we'd be grateful for a report, handouts and minutes, especially on encryption regulation and implementation of the Wassenaar Arrangement -- whose issuance is now overdue. A "Wassenaar Plenary" is scheduled for sometime in December as well, with a "Wassenaar list review" in May 1998, according to minutes of the October 21 meeting of the Information Systems Technical Advisory Committee: http://jya.com/istac102197.htm ---------- Bureau of Export Administration Regulations and Procedures Technical Advisory Committee; Notice of Partially Closed Meeting A meeting of the Regulations and Procedures Technical Advisory Committee will be held December 9, 1997, 9:00 a.m., in the Herbert C. Hoover Building, Room 3884, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, N.W., Washington, D.C. The Committee advises the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Export Administration on implementation of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) and provides for continuing review to update the EAR as needed. Agenda Open Session 1. Opening remarks by the Chairperson. 2. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. 3. Update on the encryption regulation. 4. Update on the Wassenaar Arrangement implementation regulation. 5. Discussion on the ``deemed export'' issue. 6. Discussion on the Enhanced Proliferation Control Initiative and continued publication of Entities of Concern. 7. Update on the Automated Export System. 8. Discussion on efforts to conform the Foreign Trade Statistics Regulations and the Export Administration Regulations on export clearance requirements. Closed Session 9. Discussion of matters properly classified under Executive Order 12958, dealing with the U.S. export control program and strategic criteria related thereto. The General Session of the meeting will be open to the public and a limited number of seats will be available. To the extent that time permits, members of the public may present oral statements to the Committee. Written statements may be submitted at any time before or after the meeting. However, to facilitate the distribution of public presentation materials to the Committee members, the Committee suggests that presenters forward the public presentation materials two weeks prior to the meeting date to the following address: Ms. Lee Ann Carpenter, OAS/EA/BXA MS: 3886C, 14th & Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., U.S. Department of Commerce, Washington, D.C. 20230. The Assistant Secretary for Administration, with the concurrence of the delegate of the General Counsel, formally determined on December 16, 1996, pursuant to Section 10(d) of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, as amended, that the series of meetings or portions of meetings of the Committee and of any Subcommittees thereof, dealing with the classified materials listed in 5 U.S.C. 552b(c)(1) shall be exempt from the provisions relating to public meetings found in section 10(a)(1) and (a)(3), of the Federal Advisory Committee Act. The remaining series of meetings or portions thereof will be open to the public. A copy of the Notice of Determination to close meetings or portions of meetings of the Committee is available for public inspection and copying in the Central Reference and Records Inspection Facility, Room 6020, U.S. Department of Commerce, Washington, D.C. For further information, call Lee Ann Carpenter at (202) 482-2583. Dated: November 3, 1997. Lee Ann Carpenter, Director, Technical Advisory Committee Unit. [FR Doc. 97-29404 Filed 11-6-97; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 3510-DT-M

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Re: Censor Intel
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More intel, from the other side. The journalist and civil liberties groups that have joined the Internet Free Expressional Alliance (compare and contrast to the sponsors of the summit at http://www.netparents.org/summit_part.html) American Civil Liberties Union American Society of Newspaper Editors Bolt Reporter Boston Coalition for Freedom of Expression Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Electronic Frontier Foundation Electronic Privacy Information Center Feminists for Free Expression First Amendment Project Institute for Global Communications International Periodical Distributors Association Journalism Education Association National Association of Artists Organizations National Campaign for Freedom of Expression National Coalition Against Censorship National Writers Union NetAction Peacefire Publishers Marketing Association Society of Professional Journalists z publishing The IFEA press conference at 12:30 pm Monday will be carried by CSPAN for you outside-the-Bway-folks. One or two libertarian thinktanks may make available some material critical of the push towards mandatory voluntary ratings. The IFEA folks will also, I'm told, have someone at the Censorware Summit hotel itself, on Tuesday, in Meeting Room #6 on the lower level. -Declan

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your request
by tiacaa41＠anion.epita.fr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Message
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"On the Internet nobody knows I'm a dog unless I want them to," to rephrase a well known cartoon. Anonymous wrote: >Cypherpunk technologies will be a major force to eliminate racism. >With privacy protected transactions, the color of a person's skin, his >religion and his ethnicity are no longer apparent. >Cypherpunks need to build bridges to minority communities, to show them >how these technologies can advance their cause. Why not set up a website where minority websurfers could go to read about privacy issues and how pseudonymity is to their (and everyone's) benefit. After all, how can another person discriminate against you when that person knows practically nothing about you (e.g., name, age, race, religion, geographic location, etc)? This would be an excellent way to expand cypherpunk technologies, don't you think?

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Re: "Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally." -- DataBasix
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: ^^^^^ Netcom is now requiring "truth in labelling", eh? > : Cat got his tongue? > > I was busy. Surely now you'll try to figure out what I was doing. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough, since you seem to be so intent on taunting your readers with your latest mischief. If you're dying to tell us, then feel free to do so. Otherwise, drop it. Your call. > : Really? Then why are you hiding your own post from being archived by a neutral > : third party? Trying to maintain "plausible deniability" if you post something > : you later regret saying and want to claim it was "forged"? > > What does DejaNews have to be with this? You can save all of her/my posts on > your own if you want to. *No doubt, you've already done that* so why > complain? So you can claim that anything you posted that later proves to be too embarassing was "forged", right? That's a lot easier to do if you don't sign them with the PGP key which you keep advertising in your bloated .sig, and you make sure they aren't archived by any NEUTRAL third party. (Remember when you called someone else [who shall remain nameless at his request] a "coward" for hiding HIS posts behind an "X-No-Archive" header?) Many readers will remember that you were whining pitifully a few months ago about how remailers were allegedly being used to "forge" posts in your name. You were given several suggestions, one of which was to install PGP, generate a key, and use it to sign *ALL* of your genuine posts. Your huge .sig now contains the fingerprint of a PGP public key that YOU ARE STILL NOT USING. Still trying to maintain "plausible deniability" for your posts? And then a few weeks ago you butted into technical question posted to alt.privacy.anon-server about Private Idaho with the implication that the person asking the question wanted to know the answer so that he/she could commit "forgery". If you're so concerned about forgery, why have you not bothered to try what was already suggested the last time you launched into your "remailer users are abusive assholes" tirade? > : Posing as a > : "lawyer" for DataBasix, you demanded that Jeff Burchell turn over all of his > : user logs to you and Gary, just as the so-called "Church" of $cientology > : did with the anon.penet.fi remailer in Finland last year. > > She never posed as a lawyer. Yet another of your lies. Then why did you demand that Jeff violate the privacy of all of his users by turning over his user logs to you and Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>? And when he said that the only condition he'd release them was in response to a letter FROM YOUR LAWYER, Belinda Bryan sent such a letter? Perhaps the remailer users would like to know what purpose you had in mind for demanding the e-mail addresses of EVERYONE who either SENT or RECEIVED anonymous mail through Jeff's remailer. > : The end > : result was the same in both cases, too. Both remailers shut down to avoid > : the continued harassment from people like you, Gary, and Helena. I hope > : you're proud of yourselves. > > Even the remailer operator proved you wrong. Nice try liar. It's not going > to work anymore. It's your abuse that's not going to work anymore. You've cried wolf once too often about "abuse", "forgery", and other imagined offenses. The remailer operator did not "prove me wrong". Reread his post when you're sober: http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html Just to refresh your memory, you were asked whether you had asked Jeff Burchell to censor any anonymous posts that mentioned your name. You stonewalled the question, flippantly suggesting that he/she ask the operator. Someone did just that, and Jeff's post is the result of that. Looks like you gambled and lost that time! You can call remailer users "liars" and "anonymous assholes" to your heart's content, but your censorious actions and those of your associates at DataBasix speak for themselves. --

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Cyberzine Issue on Privacy & Security
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just discovered an online magazine at http://www.pretext.com. The Nov/Dec issue is on "Privacy & Security". They feature articles on . The End of Privacy - are secrets safe in cyberspace? . From Cowrie Shells to Computer Bytes - the history & future of currency . Breaking the Codes - why National Encryption matters to you . Herman Cohen, PI - on the trail with a virtual gumshoe and an interview with Phil Zimmerman, plus a conversation with Lance Cottrell on The Anonymizer. .. Blanc

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Re: Sadaam Burnore Strikes Again (was: Re: Keman the Klueless Strikes Again)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rfg(a)monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) wrote: > >Your looney maroon conspiracy theories that Ron Guilmette has been "stalking" > >you and is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened to you > >are simply more evidence of your paranoid mental state. > > I realize that you think that you are trying to do some good, but I'm > going to ask you nicely to please stop all of this baiting of Burnore. > Sure, he's basically kind of a dickhead, but what's the point? > > I want to be really really clear about this... What you are doing is > just making things worse. You aren't helping. In fact you are making > things worse by feeding his paranoia. (And it isn't entirely clear from > where I sit that he is entirely stable, so this is rather a dangerous > thing for you to do... not for you of course... posting anonymously... > but for me. It isn't you that's going to be signing hospital consent > forms when you finally push this guy over the edge and make him go postal. > I'd like you to consider that.) If you have evidence to support that conclusion, then do us all a favor and give it to the authorities so that Gary Burnore can receive the help he needs. I can apreciate your motivation to appease him. In the past, he's displayed a tendency to shift his abuse and attacks to someone else (like Scott Dentice) when you've done that. But shifting the focus of his attacks doesn't end them. I doubt that you're even the PRIMARY focus of his tirades anymore, even though that seems to be the impression he's trying to give. Gary Burnore, Belinda Bryan, and the rest of the DataBasix wrecking crew seem to be on a power trip these days. The fact that he attempted to CONTROL you by posting embarassing information to the net and threatening to post more unless you stopped criticizing him gave us a glimpse of his real agenda. I doubt that discrediting Ron Guilmette forms more than a tiny fraction of his and Belinda's overall agenda. IMO, you and the fanciful charges he's made against you are only his excuse for doing what he's been doing. > P.P.S. If you have some beef about something that Burnore has done to > _you_ then alright. Talk about that and only that. If I have a beef > with Burnore please allow me the dignity of persuing that myself. I > don't need your help, and I don't need you to defend me. I can take > care of myself, thank you very much. Exactly. You've got to do what you've got to do, and I must do likewise. Perhaps I don't know the entire background of what's going on here, and if you'd care to enlighten us all, then by all means feel free to do so. My involvement in this controversy started when my account at Mailmasher suddenly stopped working and I learned that one of Gary Burnore's buddies, Billy McClatchie (who calls himself "Wotan"), was behind the attack that shut it down. I might never have connected that attack to Gary until he and Belinda Bryan tried something similar against another remailer also operated by Jeff Burchell and Jeff chose to go public with an expose (post-mortem, unfortunately) of the abusive tactics that DataBasix had employed (see URL at the bottom), including a situation where Belinda Bryan attempted to impersonate an attorney in demanding that Jeff turn over all of his user logs to DataBasix. As it turns out, Mr. Burchell wisely kept no such logs, but what use do you suppose Gary might found for the e-mail addresses contained in those logs, had he succeeded in obtaining them? When Gary uses you as an excuse to try and violate my privacy and that of other remailer users, then it becomes my business. > Am I making myself clear? Butt out. When I need you, I'll let you know. > In the meantime, fight your own fights. That's exactly what I'm doing. And I'd suggest that you do likewise. If you have reasonable cause to believe that Gary Burnore would resort to violence against you, then take any and all necessary steps to protect yourself. But don't expect everyone else to shut up in an attempt to appease Burnore. If and when he chooses another pretext to attack the right to speak freely on the net, then I'll challenge him on that. Don't flatter yourself in thinking that this is primarily about you. Gary is a CONTROL FREAK. He has some underlying need to control what's said on the net. When he can't refute the MESSAGE, he attempts to punish the MESSENGER. While you certainly saw that happen in your case, you're far from unique. And when the MESSENGER is beyond his reach (posting anonymously or whatever), he attacks the CHANNELS of communication instead. When one such attack affected me, then it became my business. (A later search in DejaNews confirmed that I was not the first anonymous poster to draw file from Gary Burnore.) Involving you in this is Gary's choice, not mine. When he makes claims such as "Ron Guilmette used an anonymous remailer to forge my name", or "rfg sent anonymous letters to harass a teenage girl with a web page at DataBasix" in order to attack remailers, then you've just become unwittingly involved in the debate. Ignoring Gary and his provocations doesn't work, because he goes out of his way to pick fights with other remailer users. For example, he recently butted into a thread over on alt.privacy.anon-server with an anti-remailer tirade. Someone merely posted a technical question about how to do something with a remailer interface software package and was treated to a "reply" about how remailers were being used by you to "spam bait" him. In fact, he did this with two different threads. If you haven't been following that saga, I'd invite you to read Jeff Burchell's account of Gary Burnore, Belinda Bryan, and Billy McClatchie's attacks on his remailers at: http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html If you come up with a way to prevent similar future attacks by Gary Burnore, then please share it.

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Re: "Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally." -- DataBasix
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: ^^^^^ Netcom is now requiring "truth in labelling", eh? > : Cat got his tongue? > > I was busy. Surely now you'll try to figure out what I was doing. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough, since you seem to be so intent on taunting your readers with your latest mischief. If you're dying to tell us, then feel free to do so. Otherwise, drop it. Your call. > : Really? Then why are you hiding your own post from being archived by a neutral > : third party? Trying to maintain "plausible deniability" if you post something > : you later regret saying and want to claim it was "forged"? > > What does DejaNews have to be with this? You can save all of her/my posts on > your own if you want to. *No doubt, you've already done that* so why > complain? So you can claim that anything you posted that later proves to be too embarassing was "forged", right? That's a lot easier to do if you don't sign them with the PGP key which you keep advertising in your bloated .sig, and you make sure they aren't archived by any NEUTRAL third party. (Remember when you called someone else [who shall remain nameless at his request] a "coward" for hiding HIS posts behind an "X-No-Archive" header?) Many readers will remember that you were whining pitifully a few months ago about how remailers were allegedly being used to "forge" posts in your name. You were given several suggestions, one of which was to install PGP, generate a key, and use it to sign *ALL* of your genuine posts. Your huge .sig now contains the fingerprint of a PGP public key that YOU ARE STILL NOT USING. Still trying to maintain "plausible deniability" for your posts? And then a few weeks ago you butted into technical question posted to alt.privacy.anon-server about Private Idaho with the implication that the person asking the question wanted to know the answer so that he/she could commit "forgery". If you're so concerned about forgery, why have you not bothered to try what was already suggested the last time you launched into your "remailer users are abusive assholes" tirade? > : Posing as a > : "lawyer" for DataBasix, you demanded that Jeff Burchell turn over all of his > : user logs to you and Gary, just as the so-called "Church" of $cientology > : did with the anon.penet.fi remailer in Finland last year. > > She never posed as a lawyer. Yet another of your lies. Then why did you demand that Jeff violate the privacy of all of his users by turning over his user logs to you and Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>? And when he said that the only condition he'd release them was in response to a letter FROM YOUR LAWYER, Belinda Bryan sent such a letter? Perhaps the remailer users would like to know what purpose you had in mind for demanding the e-mail addresses of EVERYONE who either SENT or RECEIVED anonymous mail through Jeff's remailer. > : The end > : result was the same in both cases, too. Both remailers shut down to avoid > : the continued harassment from people like you, Gary, and Helena. I hope > : you're proud of yourselves. > > Even the remailer operator proved you wrong. Nice try liar. It's not going > to work anymore. It's your abuse that's not going to work anymore. You've cried wolf once too often about "abuse", "forgery", and other imagined offenses. The remailer operator did not "prove me wrong". Reread his post when you're sober: http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html Just to refresh your memory, you were asked whether you had asked Jeff Burchell to censor any anonymous posts that mentioned your name. You stonewalled the question, flippantly suggesting that he/she ask the operator. Someone did just that, and Jeff's post is the result of that. Looks like you gambled and lost that time! You can call remailer users "liars" and "anonymous assholes" to your heart's content, but your censorious actions and those of your associates at DataBasix speak for themselves. --

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Re: Non Logging News Servers? Try #2
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lcs Remailer Administrator <mix-admin(a)nym.alias.net> wrote: > The unfortunate reality is that almost all news servers log, and there > is no way to tell if you don't actually have an account on the server. > There may be privacy conscious ISPs that actually promote the fact > that they don't log, but I don't know of any to recommend. > > The point of putting that in the help file was also to make people > realize there is a trade-off. Posting to news groups might not > actually be the safest solution. Basically, if you are more worried > about the remailer operators, alt.anonymous messages is probably the > best place to send messages. However, if you are more worried about > your employer/ISP than about the remailer operators, then it probably > makes more sense just to have an ordinary e-mail reply block. One solution to this problem is to run your own personal news server like "souper" that gathers ALL new news article in a certain NG and stores them locally for off-line reading. If you're consistently pulling news messages for the alt.anonymous.messages NG off of a certain server, it could be reasonably inferred that you are the intended recipient of at least SOME of those messages. But if you use a client that invariably grabs all the new messages each time, it would be rather difficult to determine which messages you are interested in. To avoid traffic analysis, use a software program to pull the messages for you. If you do it manually, even if you try to pull them all, you will undoubtedly read and save them in a certain order, or spend more time reading certain ones that will betray your interest in certain messages. As for employers, any of them that are sophistocated enough to be monitoring NNTP connections and creating a profile of your reading habits probably also have their own firewall and news server. IOW, if they run their own news server and carry a certain NG, then they'd have a hard time objecting to your reading it. It would probably be wise to assume a worst-case scenario and only deviate from it when you're sure it's safe to do so. For example, suppose you used a pseudonym to publish an article that was critical of the current Ayatollah in Iran, or perhaps deemed offensive to Islam in general, and you were sentenced to death in absentia ... if they can find and identify you. (Sort of an anonymous Salmon Rushdie.) Start out assuming you need that level of security and go from there. But if someone has gone to the trouble of setting up a 'nym, then he probably perceives a need for more than just a casual level of security. --

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Without Laws, There Are No Rights
by damaged justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[1]SIDEBAR [2][LINK] No End In Sight To Thai Internet Regulation ****No End In Sight To Thai Internet Regulation 11/28/97 BANGKOK, THAILAND, 1997 NOV 28 (NB) -- By Sasiwimon Boonruang, Bangkok Post. Finding a consensus on how the Internet should be regulated in Thailand is proving to be a difficult task, experts say. Attorney General Office Prosecutor Shinnawat Thongpakdee said the law defines and protects human rights and duties and inevitably involves itself with human behavior. As the Internet is a phenomenon related with human behavior as well, it would "unavoidably" be involved with the law as well. There are several "rights" involved with Internet information: the right to control access to information, right of information use, right of copying information, and the right to publicize information. These rights cannot be separated, he said. The rights come from several laws - "without laws, there are no rights," the prosecutor said. [And a BIG, HEARTY RASPBERRY to this CLUELESS MORON!] In the Internet world, the producers of information own the copyright to their work, and consequently, any law regarding the Internet should also go hand in hand with copyright laws. There is no solution at the moment as to whether there should be compulsory laws regarding the Internet because it's difficult to use legal means to enforce such laws, and they would also vary greatly from one country to the next. One practical approach would be drawing up of a worldwide conventional agreement regarding Internet regulation, allowing each country to sign off of their own choosing. At the very least, he said, we should accumulate information concerning the Internet in order to consider what should be allowed or prohibited - this information would be useful in the future. Mr Shinnawat added that Internet technology is very new for the legal sector and other societies, and it was difficult to make any conclusions in legal term about the Internet at the moment. He said the Internet provided the opportunity for all - rich and poor alike - to access and make use of information, even though the reality would be that the gap between rich and poor would grow even wider. According to Internet Thailand Service Center (ITSC) President Trin Tantsetthi, infringement on the Internet has increased greatly during the last year, and laws regarding the Internet would be very hard to enforce. For example, there were already 30,000 documents on the Internet in Thailand already. Copyright infringements on the works of others was wrong in both moral and legal terms, he said, but using legal means to deal with it would prove difficult. Social pressures might be an alternative. Wanchai Kanti, of Thammasat University, said people should have freedom of speech and freedom to express opinions, and that the flow of information "should not be closed", especially to academic institutes. There should not be laws to control Internet content, although opinions expressed should be done in a responsible manner. Reported By Newsbytes News Network: [3]http://www.newsbytes.com (19971128) [4]Copyright ©Newsbytes News Network. All rightsreserved. For more Newsbytes see http://www.newsbytes.com. [5]Home | [6]Daily | [7]Weekly | [8]Publishers | [9]Search References 1. http://www.newsbytes.com/menus/navbar.map 2. http://ad.preferences.com/click.ng;spacedesc=CliqTech_Newsbytes_468x60_CTGe… 3. http://www.newsbytes.com/ 4. http://www.nbnn.com/copyrght.html 5. http://www.nbnn.com/home.html 6. http://www.nbnn.com/news/s_daily.html 7. http://www.nbnn.com/news/s_week.html 8. http://www.nbnn.com/publishers/publi_1.html 9. http://www.nbnn.com/html_p/search.html

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Microsoft Rides Again
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Micro$oft fucked me up the ass. Please help. I'm bleeding to death.

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GAK
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Timothy C. Mayonnaise is not only as queer as >a three dollar bill, but he is also into >having sex with children. > > ___ > <*,*> Timothy C. Mayonnaise > [`-'] > ' - ' This is a bad thing? In the Land of the Freeh "children" are defined as "anybody under 18 years of age." A 16 year old is a "child" according to the government but obviously isn't such. The "before 18 they're too immature" argument doesn't fly too well. At 18 they don't suddenly become "mature." If they aren't "mature" by about 14, think of it as evolution in action. As for homosexuality and/or uniqueness, this is supposed to be protected. Of course it won't be if Klintonkov gets his way.

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PGP / Outlook Express Plugin Problem
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just received a CD from Microsoft with a subscription to MSN and the install for Internet Explorer 4.0 and Outlook Express. I installed Explorer and Outlook but have not been able to get Outlook to recognize the PGP plugin. (I reinstalled PGP after installing Outlook) Does anyone have any suggestions? I have encrypt and sign buttons, but they are for Outlook's bozo built-in encryption and require a "digital ID" from VeriSign, which I have no desire to buy. Jonathan Wienke

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it ain't BLUE anymore!
by brownlist＠goplay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mailbombers? start your engines ... http://www.webpost.net/brownlist

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Re: "Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally." -- sez DataBasix
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > No, otherwise it'd say 'theanonassholeislosing@ ^^^^^^^^^^^ Keep up your bigoted remarks towards those of us who'd rather not contribute our e-mail addresses to spammers and abusers. Your true colors are showing ever more clearly with each passing day. > Changing your tune a bit? hahaha You're losing. If believing that makes you happy, go right ahead. > I remember that you have no clue what you're talking about anymore. You > complain that I don't sign my posts yet you miss one thing. I'm not posting > from databasix.com. That's where the accusations are leveled towards. Those > were the posts that were forged. When I post from DataBasix, I'll pgp sign > them. You were posting from Netcom, not DataBasix, when you accused the poster of a technical question to alt.privacy.anon-server of wanting the the information so that he could permit "forgery". > You're an abusive asshole and you're posting anonymously. There are > legitimate reasons for using a remailer. None of your posts have fit that > criteria. If you're campaigning for "privacy czar", this isn't going to win you any votes. Once again, when you take the time and effort to set up your own remailer, then you have the privilege of determining "legitimate reasons for using it". Have you, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, or your other flunkies at DataBasix EVER had ANYTHING civil to say publicly about anonymous posters? Care to cite an example? > : Then why did you demand that Jeff violate the privacy of all of his > : users by turning over his user logs to you and Belinda Bryan > : <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>? > : And when he said that the only condition > : he'd release them was in response to a letter FROM YOUR LAWYER, > : Belinda Bryan sent such a letter? > > One doesn't need to be a lawyer to send a letter. You didn't answer the question. You demanded ALL of the user logs for Jeff's Huge Cajones remailer. Why? What would have happened to all of the e-mail addresses of his users if Jeff had given in to that demand? > : Perhaps the remailer users would like to know what purpose you had > : in mind for demanding the e-mail addresses of EVERYONE who either > : SENT or RECEIVED anonymous mail through Jeff's remailer. > > Perhaps readers would be interested in knowing the real reason you're so > attracted to me. Maybe someday you'll post your demands. Just leave remailers and their users the he** alone, Gary! > Blah Blah Blah. You're such a lousy liar. You've still never posted one shred > of evidence that I ever abused anything or tried to shut a remailer down or > had one shut down or whatever you like to think. It's more likely it's YOU > who want remailers shut down. Many are now complaining about tactics such as > yours. Posting lies from behind a remailer is one good way to try to get them > shut down. Why do you want remailers shut down so badly? You call me a liar, then you proceed with your typical "big lie" technique of accusing me without evidence. "Posting lies from behind a remailer"? Do you fancy yourself to be the "truth squad" or "Thought Police", Gary? Have you got a Perl script in your back pocket that will filter posts for "truth" and "lies" that you'd care to donate to the remailer net, or should remailer operators just block all posts that even mention your name just to be on the "safe" side? It's interesting that you'd claim "Posting lies from behind a remailer is one good way to try to get them shut down". Is that your goal? Have you tried that tactic before, perhaps as a pretext to get a remailer shut down? Your unproven accusations are a bit mis-targeted. I'm the one who's USING a remailer, you're the one who's consistently CRITICIZED them. Have you even USED a remailer (that you'll admit to)? Have you ever contributed money or technical expertise to setting up or operating one? Back when you were lecturing people on how a remailer ought to be run, you were politely invited to set up your own and SHOW us all how a remailer should be run. That invitation is still open. > : Just to refresh your memory, you were asked whether you had asked > : Jeff Burchell to censor any anonymous posts that mentioned your > : name. You stonewalled the question, flippantly suggesting that > : he/she ask the operator. Someone did just that, and Jeff's post is > : the result of that. Looks like you gambled and lost that time! > > I said (and I told him) I wanted any post with my email address in the From > line or To line dropped. > > Looks like your creativity is running out. Looks like you gambled > and lost. You were harassing Jeff in June and yet you weren't able to produce any evidence of "forged" posts any more recent than February, and even those appeared to have been forged to LOOK like they had originated from a remailer. The problem is, the person who posted that manufactured "evidence" was not very knowledgeable about remailers, and attempted to implicate a server, Mailmasher, that didn't even support header pasting. (It was a 'nym server, not a remailer.) Nevertheless, your associate at DataBasix, William J. McClatchie, used this bogus "evidence" as part of his campaign to get Mailmasher shut down. (Still wanna claim that DataBasix is not anti-remailer?) According to Jeff, you also demanded that he block what you called "inflammatory posts". He also indicated that he was blocking posts that contained your e-mail address in the *BODY* of the post (which most replies to your posts would contain) because YOU DEMANDED IT. Once again you've been caught in a lie, Gary. "Forged" From: lines were already a non-problem -- it was the CONTENT that you sought to censor. I might add that while remailers have long ago removed the capability of "forging" From: lines to usenet posts, your own ISP, Netcom, has not. Maybe you ought to be whining to them and accusing your fellow Netcommies of being "abusers". There certainly seem to be a lot more abuse complaints about Netcom users than there are about remailer users. Could it be that spammers and UCErs find Netcom more tolerant of their net abuse than do the remailers you continually attack? > You've lost. It's not working anymore. Your unfounded and unproven > accusations have proved you the liar. You've yet to explain why you've go t > such a 'thing' for me. Bet I got your account closed for spamming or UCE. You weren't able to send any spam or UCE to my account because I've never given the address to you. That, apparently, is what's bugging you about the fact that I'm anonymous. We all know about how you and Belinda Bryan like to Netcop anyone who dares to disagree with you, but I was not among your victims. Sorry to disappoint you. The existence of people like you on the net is one of the best selling points for posting anonymously and not indiscriminately broadcasting one's name and e-mail address worldwide with every post. It's sort of hard to blackmail someone by posting confidential information, like old tax liens, if you don't know his name, isn't it? Is that what's bugging you about not knowing my name? It's interesting that in a recent post, your fellow DataBasix-er Belinda Bryan expressed concern about her UNLISTED phone number or her street address being revealed on the net. So why is it OK to "hide behind the skirts of" an unlisted phone number, but using an "unlisted" e-mail address somehow makes one a "dickless coward with no balls" (to use her own words)? --

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Robinson CypherPunk
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ====================================================== > Q. How long did the real Robinson Crusoe live on that > desert island? > A. Alexander Selkirk? Nine years. In 1703, the old pirate > got mad at his ship's master, one Capt. William Dampier, > and jumped overboard. Slept that night on the beach. Next > morning he hailed the ship, but the captain just laughed > at him and set sail. It was the same Capt. Dampier who > saw Selkirk's campfire smoke nine years later and sent a > boat ashore. Selkirk was still mad. Madder. Took two days > to talk him into going aboard. > ============================================== > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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If you fought to defend your country...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...you fit the 'profile' of the OKC bomber. Be afraid...be very afraid. TruthMonger

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At night, the ice weasels come...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.pretext.com/nov97/short3.htm "Don't get me wrong. I'm not a technophobe. I just think people need to practice safe surfing," Cottrell says. "In some ways the Anonymizer is the virtual condom." From: 'The Anonymizer'--by Clay Hathorn

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