December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Let's pay for online policing [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > November 26, 1997: 2:33 p.m. ET > European Commission > > European Union > More related sites... BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) - The European > Commission proposed Wednesday setting aside money for measures to help > keep illegal and harmful material off the Internet. > [INLINE] Continuing its push for industry self-regulation of the > global computer network, the commission said the European Union should > help set up a pan-European network of telephone hot lines to take > complaints about illegal items. [material deleted]

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Re: Moderated vs. Unmoderated Lists
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The issue is not moderation. It is whether this list has a focus, a central set of ideas, a reason for existence. If we're just going to talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop the list from drifting away from its goals. In fact, that is exactly what has happened. Tim May's violent rhetoric has attracted others who believe in violence. Vulis's racist and sexist comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing negative comments about other races and nationalities. There is little discussion about cryptography any more. Tim May: >This has crypto anarchy relevance in that strong crypto will undermine the >ability of the U.S. government to fight foreign wars and engange in foreign >entanglements. How this will happen should be obvious. What difference does it make whether it has crypto anarchy relevance? No one cares about that any more. The only thing that matters today is whether it includes crypto racism, or crypto terrorism, or crypto white supremacy. > Yes, I talk about what interests me. A single essay I _write_ represents my > views. I avoid cc:ing the list with forwarded stuff from Yahoo, as some are > wont to do. > > Thus, I feel no guilt about writing some essay or article on something of > interest to me. Writing off-topic essays isn't the problem. Posting them here is. Why don't you use alt.fan.oj-simpson for your racist rants like you used to?

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am very amused to see the Naderites on the warpath again. Better yet is their claim that the Microsoft DoJ action is divorced from politics. This is an excerpt from a message I posted to another list. Might be interesting. -Declan --- > "Fundamentally, I think it's a legal issue," says >Ed Black, president of the Computer and Communications >Industry Association. "But to say whenever the >wealthiest man in America and one of the most powerful >companies in America is challenged by a cabinet >official, you can't say there's no political impact. >You're in a political world at that level." And if we look at the history of antitrust we see that the political world is often the most important one: -- Nixon intervened in an antitrust action against ITT in 1971 in exchange for a bribe: a hefty contribution to the 1972 Republican convention. "I don't know whether ITT is bad, good or indifferent," he said on April 19, 1971, the White House tapes reveal. "But there is not going to be any more antitrust actions as long as I am in this chair...goddam it, we're going to stop it." -- Bush's assistant attorney general derailed a criminal investigation of Georgia Power. This after the U.S. attorney in Atlanta had issued more than five hundred subpoenas and two hundred witnesses were called to testify before the grand jury. Why? Months earlier, the company's CEO raised millions of dollars for the Republicans in 1988. -- AT&T and its manufacturing subsidary were engaged in a billion-dollar-a-year price fixing scheme, the Justice Department claimed in a complaint filed in January 1949. AT&T persuaded a slew of high Defense Department officials to oppose the action on national security grounds. The Defense Secretary himself opposed it because of the "Korean emergency." They forced the DoJ to settle the case without getting what it wanted: AT&T to sell Western Electric. -- Teddy Roosevelt (who Jamie might recall was widely reported to be a "trust buster") headed off a DoJ antitrust investigation of the electrical industry. Roosevelt wrote: "I feel very strongly that the less activity there is during the presidential election, unless it is necessary, the better it will be." Former NY Times and Newseek reporter David Burnham writes in his book about the Justice Department: "The record is clear. Political campaign contributions, personal bribes and other direct and indirect favors have frequently influenced important Justice Department disions about the enforcement of law... Virtually every administration has demanded that the Justice Department bend the law..." -Declan

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telnetd/sshd for NT Alpha?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for a *stable* telnetd or sshd for NT Alpha. Free if possible, commercial if need be. Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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I'm from the government, and I'm here to give your children food poisoning...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Reports surfaced in July from San Francisco social-service organizations that poor kids who participated in a summer lunch program were being served moldy green bologna in sandwiches (for many of the kids, their main meal of the day). According to Dr. Johnson Ojo, the Health Department's principal inspector, what he saw while investigating the complaints was "not that bad," and anyway, moldy bologna will not cause food poisoning. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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If it protects just a single child...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* John E. Herndon, at his May sentencing (he got 20 years) in Little Rock, Ark., for using two teenage girls in pornographic photos after giving them alcoholic beverages: "They were my muffins and my flowers," he told the judge. "They were earth angels. I renew my promises to the girls as a born-again Christian that I will always love them and protect them." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Reason behind ASCII art drought...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* New York City special-effects artist Matt McMullen, 28, has been offering his lifesize, authentically detailed, steel-skeletoned, silicone dolls, under the name "Real Dolls," for several months on the Internet, for around $4,000 each plus options. So far, Stacy, Natasha, Nina, and Leah are available, with choice of hair color, skin color, and height (either "supermodel" or short and voluptuous). His original doll was intended as sculpture until lonely men bombarded him with price inquiries. Said McMullen, "There is no way this can compete with the real thing, but it can fill a deep void in someone's life." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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But you can get them free, from the government...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* The Times of London reported in August that the California firm Interval Research has developed a prototype for a new wristwatch that would be worn not on the wrist but in the wrist. A liquid crystal display, microchip, and battery would be implanted under the skin, close enough to the surface so that the time would be readable. Battery-recharging and time-zone changes would be done by remote control. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Ma May
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In August in Leesburg, Fla., a 28-year-old woman, in the midst of a domestic quarrel with her husband, 29, ordered the couple's two kids, ages 6 and 8, to shoot their father with their BB guns. The kids complied, resulting in five chest wounds, one arm wound, and one cheek wound. The woman is a dispatcher for the Leesburg Police Department.

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Ma Bell
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* In April, the National Olympic Committee of the Caribbean island nation of St. Vincent and the Grenadines suspended its Olympic coach Orde Ballantyne for four years after his mother ratted him out. She was head of the country's delegation at the Summer Games in 1996 and reported him for violating protocol by refusing to stand for the U. S. national anthem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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Chicken!
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? >>> >>> >>> From the Human Resources/Training Perspective: >>> The chicken had a vision. The chicken was proficient in the core >>> competencies necessary to implement the plan and make the vision >>> reality. >>> >>> Pat Buchanan: >>> To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. >>> >>> Machiavelli: >>> The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The >>> ends of crossing the road justify whatever motive there was. >>> >>> Thomas de Torquemada: >>> Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out. >>> >>> Timothy Leary: >>> Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let >>> it take. >>> >>> Carl Jung: >>> The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that >>> individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and, >>> therefore, synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being. >>> >>> John Locke: >>> Because he was exercising his natural right to liberty. >>> >>> Albert Camus: >>> It doesn't matter; the chicken's actions have no meaning except to >>> him. >>> >>> Fox Mulder: >>> It was a government conspiracy. >>> >>> Darwin: >>> Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected >>> in such a way that they are now genetically dispositioned to cross >>> roads. >>> >>> Darwin #2: >>> It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees. >>> >>> Richard M. Nixon: >>> The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did not >>> cross the road. >>> >>> Oliver Stone: >>> The question is not "Why did the chicken cross the road?" but is >>> rather "Who was crossing the road at the same time whom we >>> overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" >>> >>> Jerry Seinfeld: >>> Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever >>> think to ask, "What the heck was this chicken doing walking around >>> all over the place anyway?" >>> >>> The Pope: >>> That is only for God to know. >>> >>> Louis Farrakhan: >>> The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken >>> crossed the "black man" in order to trample him and keep him down. >>> >>> Martin Luther King, Jr.: >>> I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads >>> without having their motives called into question. >>> >>> Immanuel Kant: >>> The chicken, being an autonomous being, chose to cross the road of >>> his own free will. >>> >>> Grandpa: >>> In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone >>> told us that the chicken had crossed the road, and that was good >>> enough for us. >>> >>> Dirk Gently (Holistic Detective): >>> I'm not exactly sure why, but right now I've got a horse in my >>> bathroom. >>> >>> Bill Gates: >>> I have just released the new Chicken 2000, which will both cross >>> roads AND balance your checkbook, though when it divides 3 by 2 it >>> gets 1.4999999999. >>> >>> M.C.Escher: >>> That depends on which plane of reality the chicken was on at the >>>time. >>> >>> George Orwell: >>> Because the government had fooled him into thinking that he was >>> crossing the road of his own free will, when he was really only >>> serving their interests. >>> >>> Plato: >>> For the greater good. >>> >>> Aristotle: >>> To actualize its potential. >>> >>> Karl Marx: >>> It was a historical inevitability. >>> >>> Nietzsche: >>> Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also >>> across you. >>> >>> B.F. Skinner: >>> Because the external influences, which had pervaded its sensorium >>> from birth, had caused it to develop in such a fashion that it >>> would tend to cross roads, even while believing these actions to >>> be of its own freewill. >>> >>> Jean-Paul Sartre: >>> In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken >>> found it necessary to cross the road. >>> >>> Albert Einstein: >>> Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the >>> chicken depends upon your frame of reference. >>> >>> Pyrrho the Skeptic: >>> What road? >>> >>> The Sphinx: >>> You tell me. >>> >>> Buddha: >>> If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken nature. >>> >>> Emily Dickenson: >>> Because it could not stop for death. >>> >>> Ralph Waldo Emerson: >>> It didn't cross the road; it transcended it. >>> >>> Ernest Hemingway: >>> To die. In the rain. >>> >>> Saddam Hussein: >>> This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite >>> justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. >>> >>> Saddam Hussein #2: >>> It is the Mother of all Chickens. >>> >>> Joseph Stalin: >>> I don't care. Catch it. I need its eggs to make my omelette. >>> >>> Dr. Seuss: >>> Did the chicken cross the road? >>> Did he cross it with a toad? >>> Yes the chicken crossed the road, >>> but why it crossed it, I've not been told! >>> >>> Colonel Sanders: >>> I missed one?

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Mailing list program
by Kayra Otaner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for a program that runs under Windows 95 and works like a mailing list. I want to handle approximately 150 or 200 mail accounts and deliver a message from sender to the others. Does any one suggest me such a program? -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQByAzNQynwAAAEDIwXbyxWEggWIqhh9Y6LqDOnI4WTFf1F26ZIBbOAkFTdvbOr1 1qf+Vld1IFWdPeHWrTT9X542Nej6qi3soVJRgLesINLBG2O6ADCd9MkoJDYrqxdk fZrO0Lu1Bthm7/rCSRp523PxAAURtBZrYXlyYSA8a2F5cmFAdHVyay5uZXQ+ =nRRP -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Junger v. Daley - USA Brief
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Peter Junger we offer the USA's second cross-motion for summary judgment of November 18: http://jya.com/pdj5.htm (112K)

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Newsflash
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The European Commission today adopted a proposal for an Action Plan on promoting safe use of the Internet. This takes the form of a Communication from the Commission to the European Parliament, the Council, the Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions with a proposal for a Council decision adopting a Multiannual Community Action Plan on promoting safe use of the Internet. The Action Plan is the follow up of earlier initiatives by the European Union, and refers directly to the 16 October 1996 Communication on Illegal and Harmful Content on the Internet and Green Paper on Protection of Minors and Human Dignity in Audiovisual and Information Services , and the Parliament resolutions of 24 April 1997 and 24 October 1997. The Action Plan is closely linked with the Commission Communication and proposal for a Recommendation of 18 November 1997, which outlines political measures on protection of minors and human dignity in the audiovisual services (http://europa.eu.int/en/comm/dg10/avpolicy/new_srv/comlv-en.htm) The Action Plan contains action lines on creating a safe environment through establishing a European network of hot-lines and industry self-regulation, developing filtering and rating systems and awareness action. The text in English is available online at http://www2.echo.lu/legal/en/internet/actplan.html. Other language versions will be available shortly.

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 23:55:33 EST > This has no crypto relevance. Actualy it does, it's just that the reason for this discussion has escaped your blipvert mentality. The reason this is relevant was the claim made by others that had the US *not* entered WWII then the situation would be significantly different than now. In particular it would be a more positive results. I draw exception to this and am willing to debate the point. > The japs didn't join the axis out fo the blue. The US was picking on the Japs > back at the Washington conference in 1921/2, It's interesting that as a direct results of this conference the Japanese took the time to put down their plans to secure (ie take over) the western Pacific. It relied on their typical "Great All-out Battle" strategy. An important point in this strategy was luring the US fleet into Japanese waters and defeating it. > he bulding up the navy, building new bases on Hawaii, Guam, Midway, Samoa, > etc, (in violation of the Washington conference), grabbing small pacific > islands that no one claimed before (jervis, Howland, Phoebe, Palmira). Actualy most of these islands were originaly Dutch, German, or Spanish. For example, the Philipines were Spanish. [data deleted] Vulis, this hasn't dawned on you yet but none the less, you are actualy agreeing with my position that it isn't possible for the US to have kept out of the war. The other participants simply didn't have the resources or the system to organize them with otherwise. > > period. Can't say that I've ever seen this issue in anything I've read. > > According to my books, the US stopped all Jap immigration into US and its > possession (i.e. Hawaii, Philippines, ec) as of May 1, 1925. Which books Vulis, books you have access to or books that you wrote? I made a request for more specificity. Which books in particular are you refering to? Further, for this to be relevant you must show that it was a change of state that mitigated the Japanese actions in some way. That last proviso is the bear... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 22:40:54 EST > This has little crypto relevance (unless someone drags in the fact that > some of the important ww2 naval battles were won by the us because they > broke jap codes). WARNING: blipvert mentality > In 1904/5 (what's a couple of years between punks) the japs beat the shit out > of the tzar, not Stalin, because of the tzarist army's supreme incompetence, > and also because of severe internal unrest in Russia (general strikes and > uprisings everywhere). It was still Russia. The claims of incompetence and internal unrest apply to both regimes. Is there some point you wish to review regarding this point? > Prior to that, the japs effectively beat Russia in 1875(?). Actualy, the Russians never beat the Japanese prior to Khalkal Gol. [deleted material, relevance unclear] > At lake Khasan (near the short Soviet-Korean border) the Japs demanded > (July/August, 1938) that the Soviets turn over some strategic hills, which > would have made a future attack on Vladivostok easier. Then the japs > just sent some troops to occupy the hills; it took the Soviets almost 2 > weeks to re-take them, which can be explained both by their incompetence > and by Blyukher working for the japs. Jap casualties were 650 dead and > 2500 woulnded. This was the battle of Chankufeng Hill (1938). My sources indicate the casualties were approx. 10,000 on each side. > Jap casualties were much higher at Khalkhin Gol. Strategically, the Japs were > trying to occupy a chunk of Mongolia that would allow them to cut off the > only railroad linking the Soviet far east with the rest of Siberia (which > passes right next to the Chinese border). The japs were bombarding the > disputed area of Mongolia in January-April 1939; invaded in May, and were > kicked out by the Soviet troops, led by Zhukov (note the correct spelling) > in late August. Their casualties were 55K, 25K of which were killed. But(!), the relevant point of this conflict is one simple point. The Russians didn't re-inforce *or* launch their counter-attack until *after* Sorge had assured the Russians that the Japanese would *not* re-inforce themselves (which they didn't). Further, it is important to note that Zhukov employed a massively superior force, including weapons, the likes of which had never been employeed by the Russians before. In addition, Zhukov is notable not for his strategic sense but his tenacity, he didn't care about casualties and did not withdraw once forces were committed. Even though it was clear that the Japanese would have withdrawn because of lack of reinforcements. It was a show battle from the military perspective. [deleted material, relevance unclear] > They recognized that they could have occupied Vladivostok in 1938 if > they had really tried; but eventually Russian reinforcements would > come and there would be hell to pay. Stalin demonstrated that unlike the > tzars he was willing to put up a fight over this relatively worthless > real estate. Only after he was shure that the Japanese wouldn't contest it. > Technically speaking, Moscow did fall. :-) Militarily speaking Moscow didn't fall. :-) There was no battle. The course taken by the Tzars in dealing with Moscow was a political move that would actualy provide them with more return than an actual battle. Remember, Moscow was the fort (ala Kremli), the capital was St. Petersburg. This strategy was discussed and discarded by Stalin as being politicaly unworkable. > By Oct 16, 1941, everyone and > everything were evacuated from Moscow, down to Lenin's mummy, and the Germans > could have walked in if they wanted to. Actualy they did walk in. Napolean spent six weeks at the Kremli before realizing the folly of his misunderstanding. He was waiting on the Tzarist forces fro St. Petersburg. By that time 3/4 of Moscow had been burned to the ground. > The Germans chose not to march in > because they feared mines and booby traps they encountered earlier in Kiev > (probably correct, too). While they waffled, Russian reinforcements arrived > from Siberia and drove them off. The Cossacks didn't arrive until shortly *after* the French began moving their van out of Moscow. > Mussolini's bloody invasion of Ethiopia was mostly a revenge for the > previous invasion by Italy which ended in a humiliating defeat. But it's irrelevant to this discussion. > I'd venture to say that other Hitler allies (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria) > viewed him as a lesser eveil and didn't like him at all. Irrelevant to this discussion as well. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Protecting America's Infrastructures
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> 25 November 1997 > Source: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Federal Register: November 25, 1997 (Volume 62, Number 227)] > ======================================================================= > Critical Foundations: Protecting America's Infrastructures > AGENCY: Department of Commerce. > ACTION: Notice of availability and request for comments. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > A Statement of the Problem > > Certain national infrastructures are so vital that their incapacity > or destruction would have a debilitating impact on the defense or > economic security of the United States. What are the names of the public officials and employees who are stepping forward to accept responsibility for allowing the defense of the United States' physical and economic security to become vulnerable to destruction and debilitation? Will there be mass resignations, as a result of those in authority allowing this problem to develop? > These critical infrastructures > include telecommunications, electrical power systems, gas and oil > storage and transportation, banking and finance, transportation, water > supply systems, emergency services (including medical, police, fire, > and rescue), and continuity of government services. It sounds like fascist elements within the government have defined the problem in a manner which will justify oppressive government and corporate control of everything that its citizens need in order to survive. > Threats to these > critical infrastructures fall into two categories: physical threats to > tangible property (``physical threats''), and threats of electronic, > radio-frequency, or computer-based attacks on the information or > communications > components that control critical infrastructures (``cyber threats''). There are many more threats which seem to be self-servingly going unmentioned. Compromise of strong security by government interference. Government mandating of a 'single point of failure' in electronic techno-systems, in the rush to legislate and regulate the power of the government to monitor and control all human communications and interactions on the face of the earth. Government promotion of funneling everybody's electronic future into the same sticky web as the government's future, with the aim of forced march to Electronic Battan. (i.e. - putting Electronic day-care centers in government Electronic buildings.) > Because many of these critical infrastructures are owned and operated > by the private sector, it is essential that the government and private > sector work together to develop a strategy for protecting them and > assuring their continued operation. No it is not! It is not particularly essential unless the goal is to work toward a fascist wedding of corporate and government interests. Does this "strategy for protecting them" involve corporations being armed similarly to government armed forces, or are the plans already in place designed to increase the armed government presence within corporations? > Mission > > ... recommend a comprehensive national policy and > implementation strategy for protecting critical infrastructures and > assuring their continued operation; and propose any statutory or > regulatory changes necessary to effect its recommendations. So the basic plan was to develop critical infrastructures which would be accessible to teeNintendoage hackers and adults who enjoy sex, and then criminalize their behavior as a national threat? Did nobody notice if the rocket scientists promoting this scheme of Electronic Reality were all wearing Swastikas? > Overview of the Report's Findings > > 1. New Thinking is Required in Cyberspace. It is not surprising > that infrastructures have always been attractive targets for those who > would do us harm. In the past we have been protected from hostile > attacks on the infrastructures by broad oceans and friendly neighbors. > Today, the evolution of cyber threats has changed the situation > dramatically. In cyberspace, national borders are no longer relevant. Is this why the government is so desperate in its headlong rush to *make* its citizens physical and financial security dependent on government control of cyberspace? > Formulas that carefully divide responsibility between foreign > defense and domestic law enforcement no longer apply as clearly as they > used to and, in some instances, you may have to solve the crime before > you can decide who has the authority to investigate it. Or to shoot the Electronic goat-herding children. > 2. We Should Act Now to Protect our Future. The Commission has not > discovered an imminent attack or a credible threat sufficient to > warrant a sense of immediate national crisis. However, the Commission > found that our vulnerabilities are increasing steadily while the costs > associated with an effective attack continue to drop. The investments > required to improve the situation are still relatively modest, but will > rise if we procrastinate. Is the Commission naming the names of government officials and the government employees who are responsible for the defense of the United States falling into such a dismal state of vulnerability? Is the solution to replace all of the government officials, employees and regulators who allowed this situation to develop? > 3. Infrastructure Assurance is a Shared Responsibility. National > security requires much more than military strength. While no nation > state is likely to invade our territory or attack our armed forces, we > are inevitably the target of ill will and hostility from some quarters. > Disruption of the services on which our economy and well-being depend > could have significant effects, and if repeated frequently, could > seriously harm public confidence. This sounds like it makes a good case for the formation of an Electronic security version of our armed forces to monitor and control all of CyberSpace. > Because our military and private > infrastructures are becoming less and less separate, because it is > getting harder to differentiate threats from local criminals from those > from foreign powers, and because the techniques of protection, > mitigation, and restoration are largely the same, we conclude that > responsibility for infrastructure protection and assurance can no > longer be delegated on the basis of who the attacker is or where the > attack originates. Rather, the responsibility should be shared > cooperatively among all of the players. This sounds like a good case for treating all criminals, local and global, with the same iron hand of the military that we would use to counter threats from foreign powers. Does this mean that Jim Bell and Kevin Mitnick will be hung for treason? Will this 'sharing of responsibility' among "all of the players" involve restructuring governments and societies into a...how shall I put this...NEW WORLD ORDER? > Overview of the Report's Recommendations > > 1. A Broad Program of Education and Awareness. Spread Fear/Uncertainty/Disinformation? Send me a job application! > 2. Infrastructure Protection through Industry Cooperation and > Information Sharing. Sector-by-sector cooperation and information > sharing would take place in the context of partnerships between owners > and operators and government. Send Mussolini a job application! > These partnerships would identify and > share best practices. The National Institute of Standards and > Technology, the National Security Agency, and the Department of > Energy's National Laboratories would provide technical skills and > expertise required to identify and evaluate vulnerabilities in the > associated information networks and control systems. These are the fucking idiots who were supposed to already be doing these things, and they are the ones who got the nation into this current state which you are claiming is so dismal and dangerous. If these dweebs haven't been able to access the ClueServer up to now, it is unlikely they will be able to do so in the future. > 3. Reconsideration of Laws Related to Infrastructure Protection. > Some laws capable of promoting infrastructure assurance efforts are not > as clear or effective as they could be. Others operate in ways that may > be unfriendly to security concerns. Sorting them all out will be a > lengthy and complex undertaking, involving efforts at local, state, > federal, and international levels. The report identifies specific > existing laws that could be modified to support infrastructure > protection. The mountains of laws that have criminalized the majority of our citizens have not been effective in preventing our society from becoming a dangerous place, but additional laws, criminalizing even more citizens and their activities will? Right... How many more laws will be required to compensate for the bad and useless laws? > 4. A Revised Program of Research and Development. More government. > 5. A National Organization Structure MORE GOVERNMENT! > Office of National Infrastructure Assurance MORE GOVERNMENT! > Infrastructure Assurance Support Office MORE GOVERNMENT! > Information Sharing and Analysis Center MORE GOVERNMENT! > National Infrastructure Assurance Council MORE GOVERNMENT! > Lead Agencies MORE GOVERNMENT! > Sector Coordinators MORE GOVERNMENT! > Warning Center MORE GOVERNMENT! > William Reinsch, > Under Secretary of Commerce, Bureau of Export Administration. \ Reinsch...that's 'German', isn't it? {;>)========< / Why don't you all save a lot of trees and electricity and just declare martial law right now, instead of wasting everybody's time and energy attempting to justify a fascist future? You've got all the guns. You've got the press in your pocket. You can't even be bothered with telling *good* lies, anymore. What the fuck is the point of some lame game of InfoWar designed to provide some imaginary justification for turning the whole world into one large prison complex? Why don't the world leaders all get together and count up their weapons and then just distribute the citizens according to the results? Your spin-doctors can promote it as an act of mercy toward the citizens who will no longer have to die defending their imaginary freedom. The Truth? "We the people" already know that our predestined future is to serve in slavery under a fascist New World Order run by our government and corporate rulers. We're just pretending we don't know where society is headed, in order to trick you into moving more slowly. Pretty ironic, eh? But what the hell... If it saves the life of that single child everyone seems to be so worried about... (Personally, I think we should just 'whack' the little fucker.) TruthMonger ~~~~~~~~~~~ "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "InfoWar" http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3 "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn "The CypherPunks Secret Conspiracy to Overthrow All World Governments" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/AP1-6.htm http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/AP7-10.htm

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For whom the Bell is sentenced...
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have come to believe that "assassination politics" is a political Rorschach (ink-blot) test: What you think of it is strongly related to your political philosophy. ~ Jim Bell, "Assassination Politics" It's a shame that Bell wasn't prosecuted and judged by people with a clearer conscience and more a more democratic political philosophy. Why are people invariably under the impression that it is someone other than themself that is putting them on The List (TM)?

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17 Dec '03

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"Kids summit" -- CNNfn interview with SurfWatch president
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I'd still like to hear more on the inner workings of next week's "kids on the Net" summit from our friends at CDT who are sponsoring it. The lineup of speakers includes Janet Reno, Al Gore, and the secretaries of commerce and education. All joining together to Protect the Children! --Declan] ---- CNNFN SHOW: DIGITAL JAM 19:30 pm ET November 26, 1997; Wednesday 7:51 pm Eastern Time TYPE: INTERVIEW SECTION: Business LENGTH: 913 words HEADLINE: Kids & Cyberspace GUESTS: Michael Sears BYLINE: John Defterios BODY: JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNNfn ANCHOR, DIGITAL JAM: Next week family advocates, educators and industry leaders are coming together to discuss ways to keep children safe in cyberspace. One of the sponsors of the Internet Online Summit is Surfwatch a company that makes blocking software to help parents and teachers filter out objectionable content. Joining me now from Stanford, California to discuss the goals of the summit is Michael Sears. He is the president of Surfwatch. Michael it's great to have you on DIGITAL JAM. Welcome to you. MICHAEL SEARS, PRESIDENT, SURFWATCH: Thank you, a pleasure to be here. DEFTERIOS: First of all, let's discuss how this summit came about. Was it a building movement that finally crescendo. SEARS: I think it is. It's actually the outgrowth of what we did last June with President Clinton and Vice President Gore. In fact June and July time frame the CDA was overturned. The White House decided to take the initiative and asked the industry to get together to see what we can do to actually empower kids and enable kids Online. DEFTERIOS OK. What is the happy medium here, Michael because that's what everybody is really looking for because the Communications Decency Act did stumble and we had people on both side of the debate wanting to stake out their territory. What is , in your view, is the center ground? SEARS: Well, the debate will continue, but the center ground really is that it's all about kids. What we're talking about doing here is bringing together industry and law enforcement and public policy people and talking about to empower kids Online and give them effective tools. Effective tools that are also very easy to use. The idea behind that is how can kids actually get on the net, learn, research, discover, play and do it in a really enriching environment. But also we realize that there are a lot of safety concerns Online. That's probably what we're going to talk about primarily. DEFTERIOS: How about the ACLU, they were raising concerns about being blocked out here or filtration or censorship on the extreme. How do you deal with that side of - the people on that side of the debate? SEARS: It's a slippery slope. The idea here is do we block, companies like Surfwatch, do we block content Online. The idea once again is we target your typical 12 year old in the US. If that 12 year old should see a site or if that 12 years old needs to discover something we try to make sure that we have all of our technology, all of our processes in place to insure that information comes forward. Such as, we don't block the idea of breast, for instance, because breast could be talking about a chicken recipe. It could be talk about breast cancer. However, it it's a sexually explicit depiction or expression of that word that's where you come in and use filtering software to block. DEFTERIOS: There's another side to this, of course, that kids are often much more computer savvy than their parents. How do you over that hurtle? SEARS: That's a major hurdle. In fact we're talking about empowering kids with effective tools, but those tools have to be very easy to use and the ease of use isn't really for the kids because the kids know how to do this stuff. They know what's Online. They know what's out there and they know how to get there. What we really provide are the easy to use tools for mom and dad. So mom and dad pointing and clicking and turning switches on and off very easily can really control the family's environment. DEFTERIOS: As you know, this is a political hot potato for President Clinton because he didn't want to seem extreme on both side and he would like industry to work it out. When it is all said and done, Michael, what is the solution here? SEARS: Well, the solution that this market is all about is called parental control. Surfwatch started the market about three years ago and the word parental control itself was important not only because it's the software in the technology, but it because of those first two words, parental control. Mom and dad have to be involved. Mom and dad have to engage not only to help the kids Online, but also make sure that in chat rooms or with e-mail or with explicit pictures they can really sit down and talk to the kids and moderate what their kids are doing. We're just a tool. DEFTERIOS: This is not a government. Not to interrupt you, but we're almost out of time here. But this is, you're saying, not government intervention then. SEARS: Absolutely. DEFTERIOS: The technology is out there to let the families tackle this on their own. SEARS: That on and off switch should be in the hands of moms and dads not the government. DEFTERIOS: OK, great. How about your market share before we let you go tonight? How are you faring against your competition? SEARS: I think we're doing very well. All the buzz that's been happening over the last couple of months has helped our shares as well as our competitors. We've shipped millions of copies, 7.2 last July. We haven't done the survey lately, but we're clearly in the tens of millions right now. DEFTERIOS: OK. It's great to have you. SEARS: Great to be here. Thanks very much. DEFTERIOS: And have a nice Thanksgiving holiday. SEARS: Same to you. Take care. DEFTERIOS: My pleasure. Michael Sears, president of Surfwatch, joining us from Stanford, California.

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 11:22:32 EST > My point was that Russia might have negotiated a better peace at Portmouth, NH, > if it wasn't forced to stop fighting by the general strike. And just exactly what does that have to do with contributing to the US becoming involved in WWII? > Actually, the Russians forced the japs out of port arthur in 1895 and took > it for themselves. But most times their strategy was to avoid conflict and > to let the japs take whatever japs wanted, such as Hokkaido. The point to this is that at the same time the US was taking the Hawaii's, Guam, and conquered the Philippines (costing 20,000 Filipinos & 4,000 Americans). The US itself was making grabs into that same pie. > > This was the battle of Chankufeng Hill (1938). My sources indicate the > > casualties were approx. 10,000 on each side. > > Sigh. My (Russian) sources refer to the incident as lake Khasan, and to the > hills by their Russian names: (vysoty) Zaozernaya and Bezymyannaya. Your > attempts to refer to Russian hills by their Korean names are a sure sign > russophobia and racism. Actualy it stems from my being an American and the names that are chosen for whatever reason. Pretty weak ad hominim. [deleted material - weapons count - relevancy unclear] > As for the innovative use of tanks by Zhukov, Huh? Who said anything about Zhukov being innovative? His main claim to fame is his disregard for casualties. > Ahem. I was talking about Hitler in 1941, not Napoleon in 1812. (Both fucked > up the psyops and alienated the popuilation which could have viewed them as > their liberators, but that's a different thread altogether.) > > Militarily speaking, by oct 16 Moscow was evacuated and useless to the > Soviets. The issue in both cases wasn't military. In Napoleon's case the capital wasn't Moscow, it was St. Petersburg. Moscow was an outpost the French over estimated the worth of. By not fighting for it the peoples sacrifice created a great political environment and also further depleted the French who weren't prepared for the weather. In the WWII case, Stalin couldn't afford to be seen backing down. > Learn to read. I was talking about Hitler's troops in October 1941. The road > to Moscow was clear, but the Germans didn't walk in. The Germans only got to the outskirts. And the records that I have indicate that it wasn't a cake walk. To quote a report that Bock made to Brauchitsch just after arriving from viewing Moscow from a front-line bunker: "I have last night relieved a divisional commander who reported that the Russians had repulsed his men with hammers and shovels." > I'm talking about 1941! Stalin decided to assume that the japs wreen't going > to attack, so he brought in fresh troops from Siberia. There was no assumption. Stalin had Sorge to tell him what was up. > By the way I feel that > from the game theortic point of view, if he knew nothing about jap intentions > (i.e., no Richard Sorge), they the right strategy would have been to assume > that the japs were not going to attack; for if they did, he would have been > fucked anyway. With the assumptions that the japs wouldn't attack, he was able > to beat off the germans. Assuming he had no intelligence, send out scouts. I would probably look at some form of contested withdrawal (the hardest kind of operation technicaly) to a set of stop-lines. I would use those stop lines for re-supply & re-organization. This would allow me to remove troops from the front lines and compensate with improved logistics over my opponent, whose supply lines only get longer and longer. I would in addition increase my intelligence resources (eg traffic monitoring & analysis) on that front. I would furher increase my air forces ability to bomb in close support to about 100 miles behind the front lines. The lines would be about 30-60 miles apart depending on terrain. Never under-estimate your enemy (that 'no intelligence' will bite you in the ass *every* time) and have a clear goal. I would attempt to pull some troops from the eastern front because the Japanese supply lines would be long and external, while mine get shorter and are internal. This would allow me an edge on the typical 3:1 ratio. I would further recognize that while I had lots of natural resources in that area but few urban areas physical control for a short period while resolving the western front is acceptable. If something like the US entering were to occur I would then put a light covering screen and pull troops out because the Japanese don't have the resources to fight on that many fronts. > Possibly. I was responding to your (outright silly) claim that Mussolini > invaded Ethiopia to "impress" Hitler. No, I claim that *one* of the issues involved was to be able to appear at the bargaining table as Hitlers equal. Material refering to these motives are in Ciano's diary. Mussolini was wanting the entire episode to be seen as a grand adventure. He wanted Italy to be seen as an adventersome country with the cutting edge in political systems successfuly fulfilling its rightful place in history. In short, he wanted to be seen as the 'good guy'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Request for Jim Bell Update
by cvhd＠indyweb.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have a pointer to a Jim Bell update page or source? Thanks

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Re: Request for Jim Bell Update
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Anyone have a pointer to a Jim Bell update page or source? Here's recent Jim Bell material: http://jya.com/jimbell6.htm (news stories on Bell's sentencing) http://jya.com/next-wave.htm (US News on CB terrorism, stars JB) http://jya.com/jibell-dock4.htm (latest court dockets for USA v. Bell) For earlier info access backwards in each series: ../jimbell5, etc.; ../jimbell-dock3.htm, etc. Not aware of a source for the classified version but the public version of "Assassination Politics" is at: http://jya.com/ap.htm

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Is Tim May guilty of illegally advocating revolution?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So I've been reading "Freedom and the Court" by Henry Abraham, and a passage in it made me think of Tim May and the cypherpunks list: "//Actual, overt// incitement of the overthrow of the government of the United States by force and violence, accompanied by the language of direct and imminent incitement, is not freedom of expression but a violation of Court-upheld legislative proscriptions; yet the //theoretical// advocacy of such overthrow, on the other hand, has been a judicially recognized protected freedom since 1957." [See Yates v. United States, 354 U.S. 298 (1957), particularly Mr. Justice Harlan's opinion for the 6:1 court.] (Emphasis in the original. --DM) Some civil liberties lawyers, incidentally, have told me that Internet messages almost by definition are probably not "direct and imminent incitement." Some excerpts from Yates v. United States: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=354&p… 9 The essential distinction [354 U.S. 298, 325] is that those to whom the advocacy is addressed must be urged to do something, now or in the future, rather than merely to believe in something. [...] Instances of speech that could be considered to amount to "advocacy of action" are so few and far between as to be almost completely overshadowed by the hundreds of instances in the record in which overthrow, if mentioned at all, occurs in the course of doctrinal disputation so remote from action as to be almost wholly lacking in probative value. Vague references to "revolutionary" or "militant" action of an unspecified character, which are found in the evidence, might in addition be given too great weight by the jury in the absence of more precise instructions. Particularly in light of this record, we must regard the trial court's charge in this respect as furnishing wholly inadequate guidance to the jury on this central point in the case. We cannot allow a conviction to stand on such "an equivocal direction to the jury on a basic issue." -Declan

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