December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:00:04 -0500 > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > On Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 01:30:37PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > To quote one of your examples, > the production of the Me 262 was seriously delayed due to his obsession > to make a bomber of it. Not that it would have changed the game, just > made it more difficult for the allies. True, but my reference had to do with what would have happened if the US had NOT gotten into the conflict. Then such shortages as the 4-engine bomber would not have been as critical to Germanys servival as early in the war. The bottem line, had the US not entered the war Germany and Japan had enough resources to reach their goal. Further, it is unreasonable given the nature of Hitler, Mussolini, & Tojo to believe they would have left the US alone, let alone stable long-term trade. > > Such as? The situation in China at the time was that a variety of warlords > > were spending more time fighting each other than the Japanese. China > > Nothing better than a common enemy to help reconciliation... It's unfortunate the Chinese didn't see it that way. > Well, you want to stick to this issue of fighting battles between > armies. Actualy I am discussing the strategic and operational level, not tactical. It isn't the result of a single battle but rather the management of a string of battles that is important to winning. That takes understanding motives, transportation, raw supplies, processing facilities, etc. The thesis was that had the US not entered the war the result would have been a relatively benign quad of the US, Germany, Italy, & Japan, supposedly moderated by distance and economic dependancy. I challene that. Consider the strategic interacion of 3 parties, easily extensible to more. It is in each of the parties best long-term interest (assuming unrestricted access to resources, theological supperiority, etc.) to pair with one of the other parties and attack the 3rd, evenly splitting the spoils. The stablist strategic form is binary or possibly unitary. I would further feel historicaly supported to propose that given sufficient time, resources, and planning this situation will develop *and* devlolve to either a binary or a unitary form. A recent example was the Soviet Union. The interesting question is whether the current apparent unitary position of the US will devlove into a multi-party situation or whether it can actualy win over by some means the other parties to willing cooperation. > So I am ready to accept that they win all this battles. So what > next ? next they have to deal with too many territories to take care > of. Unless they can have local faction to deal with that for > them. Doesn't work very well usually. That's simple constation from past > history. That's all. They won't be able to put a japanese soldier in > every household from the great wall to Rhode Island. And once they had control of the basic infrastructure they wouldn't have to. I challenge the thesis that the Japanese would have had to put a soldier in every house. Consider the situation in Vichy France and it's relationship with German occupiers. The Chinese could certainly have no higher level of objectionable feelings. Yet the Vichy French as a rule were quite cooperative in supporting German goals. Even to the point of firing on their French brothers in North Africa. > This Abyssinia adventure was one of the reasons Mussolini got in trouble > with, let's say, the ONU of this time, the "Société des Nations", as you > pointed out. Doesn't change anything to what I said, and can be checked, > about the fact that Mussolini wasn't a great friend of Hitler at > first. It came more as a necessity than anything else. Why? The Tripartite Pact wasn't signed until Sept. 27, 1940. A considerable time before this Churchill had been sending letters to Mussolini requesting him to stand against Germany. That act on Mussolini's part would definitely thrown a wrench in the Germans plan on the strategic and political level. He chose to go with the Germans because he at some level felt they would win. > > If the US had waited until Hitler began dropping bombs on New York and > > firing V2's from submarines 20 miles off the coast while at the same time > > Japan was doing the same sorts of things, with a nice base at Pearl Harbor, > > *and* you claim the US could have stood the test then I can only say you > > are confused at best. > > I think they could have done it. Let's say 50/50 ;-) Seriously? What would the US have used? The P-51 Mustang would most certainly not have gotten the surge it did because Britian would have been giving their hot-rod Merlins to the Germans to put in their 109's. The impact of that simple act alone would have seriously crippled the US and given a considerable lead to the Germans in engine technology. Consider also that without the military load the ME-262, Komet, Blitz Bomber, V2, etc. would have gotten farther quicker. The US got its first jet engine from Whipple who was a Brit. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Microsoft/Phillipines
by Jon Galt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is from Infobeat News - Morning Edition, 11/24/97 > *** Microsoft grants software amnesty to Philippines > > Philippines President Fidel Ramos met with Microsoft Corp. Chairman > Bill Gates Friday and collected a certificate legalizing much of his > government's pirated computer software. After a ceremony to observe > the signing of agreements tightening relations between the software > giant and the Philippines, Gates gave Ramos a license for free > software that was the equivalent of a partial declaration of amnesty. > The license allows the Philippine government to use older Microsoft > products, such as the DOS operating system, that previously were > being used illegally by many government agencies. See > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=6086523-f4f I think it is really cool that a private company can actually negotiate somewhat as an equal with a government. One implication of this is that Microsoft is becoming a more powerful corporation - which is not necessarily a good thing. But the other thing it might imply is that the power of government is slipping - which is definitely a good thing. ______________________________________________________________________ Jon Galt e-mail: jongalt(a)pinn.net website: http://www.pinn.net/~jongalt/ PGP public key available on my website. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: Report on UN conferen
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > Even the "freedom-loving", no-boundaries etc. Cypherpunks fall over > those imaginery "border-lines", without having it ever dawn on > them, that *everything* done now to "illegal immigrants" will one > day soon be extended to the government-issued passport/digital > VeriSign-Tax-ID bearing "Americans" as well. > (Please refer to the "War on Drugs" for proof of patterns.) Please give us some references to your abusive and highly infalmmatory allegations that the Gov't has followed a pattern of transgression on the rights of any judaeo-christian-god-fearing-tax-paying-40bit-key-using-honest-law-abiding-citizen.(TM) I for one just can't bring myself to believe it. > In fact, it's being done already. The systems developed to "track > down illegal aliens" can track ANYBODY for that matter. Proof Please. Or at least a more concrete reference to these nebulous systems would be nice.

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USACM Calls on Pres Clinton to Veto HR 2265
by USACM Washington Office 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PRESS RELEASE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1997 COMPUTER SCIENTISTS URGE PRESIDENT CLINTON TO VETO LEGISLATION RESTRICTING FLOW OF SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION Computer scientists fear that legislation rushed through in the closing days of Congress may inadvertently criminalize many scientific publications that are freely available on the Internet today. They are calling on the President to veto the measure. The Association for Computing's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) said that the legislation could lead to criminal prosecutions against scientists, educators and others who do nothing more than share their own articles on the Internet with students and colleagues. According to USACM Chair Dr. Barbara Simons, "This legislation was hurried through Congress, was poorly drafted, and is likely to have many unintended consequences." The "No Electronic Theft Act" would criminalize the copying of materials which are currently protected under the well established U.S. doctrine of Fair-Use. According to the Act, any person who infringes a copyright willfully, by the electronic reproduction or distribution of one or more copies which have a total retail value of more than $1000 dollars, will be subject to a criminal prosecution. The scientists say that an essential element of research is that papers be reviewed by others. Scientists submit papers describing their research to scientific journals which facilitate the peer-review process. The journals then print the reviewed papers and thus own their copyrights. Since the Internet's development, researchers have used it to make their research widely available to others in their field. According to the letter, "Under the No Electronic Theft Act, an author who posts their research on the Internet, and whose documents are frequently read on-line, could be subject to criminal prosecution." USACM argues that the No Electronic Theft Act will have a chilling effect upon the free speech of scientists and professionals in universities and research labs. Universities may forbid scientists from publishing their research on- line, or reading and reviewing other scientist's research on-line, to avoid the potential of massive copyright litigation. According to Dr. Simons "This legislation is clearly contrary to the White House's stated goal of avoiding Internet regulation. We believe it is inconsistent with the Administration's policy to promote dramatically expansive laws for the Internet where other less burdensome means may be available to address copyright concerns." The Association for Computing (ACM) is the largest and oldest professional association of computer scientists in the United States. ACM's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) facilitates communications between computer scientists and policy makers on issues of concern to the computing community. For more information, Please contact: Barbara Simons, Chair, USACM: 408/256-3661, simons(a)VNET.IBM.COM David Farber, USACM: 215/898-9508, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu Lauren Gelman, Associate Director, USACM, 202/544-4859, gelman(a)acm.org http://www.acm.org/usacm/copyright/ _____________________ November 25, 1997 President William J. Clinton 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20500 Dear President Clinton: The Association for Computing's U.S. Public Policy Committee believes that the "No Electronic Theft Act" (H.R. 2265), which is now before you, does not adequately reflect the nature of the new digital environment and will have a negative impact on the rich scientific communications that have developed on the Internet in many fields, including computer science. For this reason, we are asking you to veto the legislation. We agree that copyright holders have a legitimate need to protect their intellectual property. However, we are concerned that the bill was rushed through both Houses of Congress without careful consideration of its unintended consequences. We are concerned the Bill may: * Restrict scientists and other professionals from making their research available on the Internet for use by colleagues and students. Most scientists do not own the copyright on their own materials. Instead, that copyright ownership is retained by the scientific journal which peer-reviews and publishes the research. Under the No Electronic Theft Act, an author who posts their research on the Internet, and whose documents are frequently read on-line, could be subject to criminal prosecution. If the bill becomes law, scientists may have to choose between having their work peer-reviewed or making it widely available. * Criminalize the transfer of information that is currently protected under the U.S. 'fair use' doctrine. Copyright law is derived from the U.S. Constitution and is intended to advance "science and the useful arts." The fair-use doctrine protects reading and nonprofit copying and thus allows scientists and educators to openly exchange information. H.R. 2265 does not explicitly protect the "fair use" privilege which makes this open exchange of scientific information possible. * Chill free speech in universities and research labs. The terminology used in the Bill, including "willfully" and "for profit," are not defined; it is unclear what the parameters of a criminally prosecutable copyright infringement are. As a result, it is likely that many institutions will mandate that all copyrighted documents be removed from the net to avoid having to defend copyright infringement prosecutions. We hope that you will veto this measure and ask your staff to work with Congress during the next session to develop more sensible legislation. Sincerely, Dr. Barbara Simons Chair, U.S. Public Policy Committee Association For Computing The Association for Computing (ACM) is the largest and oldest professional association of computer scientists in the United States. ACM's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) facilitates communication between computer scientists and policy makers on issues of concern to the computing community. cc: Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. Ira Magaziner, Senior Adviser to President Brian Kahin, Office of Science Technology and Public Policy. Henry J. Hyde, Chair, House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member, House Judiciary Committee Howard Coble, Chair, Courts and Intellectual Property Subcommittee, House Judiciary Committee Orrin G. Hatch, Chair, Senate Judiciary Committee Patrick J. Leahy, Ranking Member, Senate Judiciary Committee John Ashcroft, Chair, Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights Subcommittee, Senate Judiciary Committee Mike DeWine, Chair, Antitrust, Business Rights and Competition Subcommittee, Senate Judiciary Comittee Representative Virgil H. Goode Representative Barney Frank, House Judiciary Committee Representative Christopher Cannon, House Judiciary Committee Representative William Delahunt, House Judiciary Committee Representative Elton Gallegly, House Judiciary Committee Representative Bob Clement

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Global Strategic Structure - Speculative
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thesis: Given, - n-party political systems evolve/devolve into binary or unitary party systems. - a binary system is stable provided each individual party is stable. - no truly global unitary system has ever existed. - historicaly we see multi-party systems devolve into 2-3 primary parties. - it may be possible that the US is the first country in history to reach the unitary model. - that unitary position, if it exists, is not total, there being at least 1 3rd world level participant. in fact there being 200+ such parties. Then, - does the unitary position evolve/devolve back to a n-party system where the unitary party is either eliminated or reduced in stature. - is it reasonable that a single governmental system can possibly manage a global resource pool. - will we then see an averaging of political systems across the total set of parties. - is it possible, considering the range of human desires & beliefs, that a multiplicity at todays level of parties is a stable state, because of the averaging effect. In effect creating a global government rule-set for inter-national and intra-national behaviour. the root cause being that this averaging reduces the pay-off for violence and maximizes the pay-off for cooperating. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Further costs of war
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th being >unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what the Supreme >Court says it is, unfortunately. I don't agree with you on this one, Bob. The fact is that the 16th was never properly ratified. It slid through the cracks, contrary to the procedure for ratifying amendments as outlined in the Constitution. The reason there was no public outcry was because the initial tax was 1% on anyone earning more than $4,000 a year (roughly $80,000 in today's money). Besides, I seriously doubt many people rushed down to the Treasury to cough up their 1% either. This deceptive non-ratification is clearly documented by Bill Benson in his book "The Law That Never Was" <http://www.trustclarks.com/theman.html>. Although his book has been in print for several years, I have yet to hear of anyone who has refuted his claims. The "pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap" that should be pointed out is your claim that "the constitution's what the Supreme Court says it is." Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court judicial power "...to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution..." The words "under this Constitution" imply that the Supreme Court must work by the letter of the law as outlined in the Constitution. How can the Supreme Court pass a decision involving the 16th when the amendment was never ratified as outlined in Section V? These are the kind of shenanigans one would expect from a banana republic tribunal, not the Supreme Court. >Doesn't mean the damn thing shouldn't be repealed, though there's fat >chance of that. Why bother to repeal what never existed? When enough people learn what really happened, and when they couple it with the fact that most of their tax money is wasted and could be better "redistributed" according to their own individual judgement, the house of cards will collapse. > Oh well. Fortunately, we can fight back with digital bearer >settlement. Someday. Soon, I hope. I hope so, too. But I don't advocate waiting until that day to fight back. We can start now by learning the facts and then passing on that knowledge. Consider it to be the creation of a ready and willing market for digital bearer certificates. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHowuBa1d3zm4nqOEQKtwwCg6gUxAKS4LcDpSG1h6g6Bfm9JmVcAn0Cn +lvOs1E10vZ5oXWl/GcHqKaW =wg93 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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revq.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Revolutionary Quotes We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. John Wayne Allegheny Uprising Restrictions of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us. William O. Douglas The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty. Abraham Lincoln The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope...build(ing) a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Robert F. Kennedy Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order. John V. Lindsay Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass All civilization has from time to time become a thin crust over a volcano of revolution. Havelock Ellis Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. Reinhold Niebuhr This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. Abraham Lincoln The French Revolution of a hundred and fifty years ago gradually ushered in an age of political equality, but the times have changed, and that by itself is not enough today. The boundaries of democracy have to be widened now so as to include economic equality also. This is the great revolution through which we are all passing. Jawaharlal Nehru If our economy of freedom fails to distribute wealth as ably as it has created it, the road to dictatorship will be open to any man who can persuasively promise security to all. Will Durant Any doctrine that weakens personal responsibility for judgement and for action helps create the attitudes that welcome and support the totalitarian state. John Dewey I call that mind free which jealously guards its intellectual rights and powers, which calls no man master, which does not content itself with a passive or hereditary faith, which opens itself to light whencesoever it may come, which receives new truth as an angel from Heaven. William Ellery Channing A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel All the higher, more penetrating ideals are revolutionary. They present themselves far less in the guise of effects of past experience than in that of probable causes of future experience. William James A regime, an established order, is rarely overthrown by a revolutionary movement; usually a regime collapses of its own weakness and corruption and then a revolutionary movement enters among the ruins and takes over the powers that have become vacant. Walter Lippman Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit and security of the people, nation or community; whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, indefeasible right, to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public Weal. George Mason You can never have a revolution in order to establish a democracy. You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution. G.K. Chesterton Here in America we a descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels- men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. Dwight Eisenhower There is no substitute for a militant freedom. Calvin Coolidge He who would be free must strike the first blow. Frederick Douglass Those who give the first shock to a state are the first overwhelmed in its ruin; the fruits of public commotion are seldom enjoyed by him who was the first mover; he only beats the water for another's net. Michel De Montaigne There is a kind of revolution of so general a character that it changes the tastes as well as the fortunes of the world. La Rochefoucauld The art of revolutionizing and overturning states is to undermine established customs, by going back to their origin, in order to mark their want of justice. Blaise Pascal Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence. John Locke Everything I see about me is sowing the seeds of a revolution that is inevitable, though I shall not have the pleasure of seeing it. The lightning is so close at hand that it will strike at the first chance, and then there will be a pretty uproar. The young are fortunate, for they will see fine things. Voltaire The most sensible and jealous people are so little attentive to government that there are no instances of resistance until repeated, multiplied oppressions have placed it beyond a doubt that their rulers had formed settled plans to deprive them of their liberties; not to oppress an individual or a few, but to break down the fences of a free constitution, and deprive the people at large of all share in the government, and all the checks by which it is limited. John Adams It is an observation of one of the profoundest inquirers into human affairs that a revolution of government is the strongest proof that can be given by a people of their virtue and good sense. John Adams To dare: that is the whole secret of revolutions. Antoine Saint-Just An oppressed people are authorized whenever they can to rise and break their fetters. Henry Clay Wherever a man comes, there comes revolution. The old is for slaves. Ralph Waldo Emerson Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite! Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels All men recognize the right of revolution: that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, or to resist, the government when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. Henry David Thoreau Insurgents are like conquerors: they must go forward. The moment they are stopped they are lost. Wellington Revolutions are not made: they come. A revolution is as natural a growth as an oak. It comes out of the past. Its foundations are laid far back. Wendell Phillips Revolutions never go backwards. William Henry Steward The French revolution was a machine invented and constructed for the purpose of manufacturing liberty; but it had neither lever cogs, nor adjusting powers, and the consequences were that it worked so rapidly that it destroyed its own inventors, and set itself on fire. C.C. Colton Great revolutions, whatever may be their causes, are not lightly commenced, and are not concluded with precipitation. Benjamin Disraeli A reform is a correction of abuses; a revolution is a transfer of power. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of a right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government; the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. Declaration of Rights, Maryland There are but three ways for the populace to escape its wretched lot. The first two are by the routes of the wine-shop or the church; the third is by that of the social revolution. M.A. Bakunin Revolutions are not made by men in spectacles. Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. Revolutions are not made with rosewater. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton It is not the insurrections of ignorance that are dangerous, but the revolts of intelligence. James Russell Lowell The right to revolution is an inherent one. When people are oppressed by their government, it is a natural right they enjoy to relieve themselves of the oppression, if they are strong enough, either by withdrawal from it, or by overthrowing it and substituting a government more acceptable. U.S. Grant Revolutions can no longer be achieved by minorities. No matter how energetic and intelligent a minority may be, it is not enough, in modern times at least, to make a revolution. The cooperation of a majority, and a large majority too, is needed. Jean Jaures One of the chief symptoms of every revolution is the sharp and sudden increase in the number of ordinary people who take an active, independent and forceful interest in politics. Nikolai Lenin It is impossible to predict the time and progress of revolution. It is governed by its own more or less mysterious laws. But when it comes it moves irresistibly. Nikolai Lenin We must enter and take possession of the consciences of the children, of the consciences of the young, because they do belong, and should belong to the revolution. Plutarco Calles Those who are inclined to compromise can never make a revolution. Kemal Ataturk He that accepts protection, stipulates obedience. We have always protected the Americans; we may therefore subject them to government. Samuel Johnson If there was ever a just war since the world began, it is this in which America is now engaged. Thomas Paine I desired as many as could to join together in fasting and prayer, that God would restore the spirit of love and of a sound mind to the poor deluded rebels in America. John Wesley If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country I never would lay down my arms,- never! never! never! William Pitt The American Revolution was a vindication of liberties inherited and possessed. It was a conservative revolution. William E. Gladstone Who draws his sword against his prince must throw away the scabbard. James Howell Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson My call is the call of battle- I nourish active rebellion;/ He going with me must go well armed. Walt Whitman Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Oscar Wilde Disobedience, the rarest and most courageous of the virtues, is seldom distinguished from neglect, the laziest and commonest of the vices. George Bernard Shaw Tyranny brings ignorance and brutality with it. It degrades men from their just rank into the class of brutes; it damps their spirits; it suppresses art; it extinguishes every spark of noble ardor and generosity in the breasts of those who are enslaved by it; it makes naturally strong and great minds feeble and little, and triumphs over the ruins of virtue and humanity. Jonathan Mayhew No government power can be abused long. Mankind will not bear it. Samuel Johnson Some boast of being friends to government; I am a friend to righteous government, to a government founded upon the principles of reason and justice; but I glory in publicly avowing my eternal enmity to tyranny. John Hancock The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay It is lawful and hath been held so through all ages for any one who have the power to call to account a tyrant or wicked king, and after due conviction to depose and put him to death. John Milton If a sovereign oppresses his people to a degree they will rise and cut off his head. There is a remedy in human nature against tyranny that will keep us safe under every form of government. Samuel Johnson 'Twixt kings and tyrants there's this difference known;/ Kings seek their subjects' good: tyrants their own. Robert Herrick The mob is easily led and may be moved by the smallest force, so that its agitations have a wonderful resemblance to those of the sea. Polybius The common people suffer when the powerful disagree. Phaedrus Do not wonder if the common people speak more truly than those above them: they speak more safely. Francis Bacon Do not be too severe upon the errors of the people, but reclaim them by enlightening them. Thomas Jefferson The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. Thomas Jefferson The welfare of the people is the supreme law. Motto of Missouri In your dread of dictators you established a state of society in which every ward boss is a dictator, every private employer a dictator, every financier a dictator, all with the livelihood of the workers at his mercy, and no public responsibility. George Bernard Shaw It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order. Thomas Jefferson Arbitrary rule has its basis, not in the strength of the state or the chief, but in the moral weakness of the individual, who submits almost without resistance to the domineering power. Friedrich Hatzel Despotism has forever had a powerful hold upon the world. Autocratic government, not self-government, has been the prevailing state of mankind. The record of past history is the record, not of the success of republics, but of their failure. Calvin Coolidge It violates right order whenever capital so employs the working or wage-earning classes as to divert business and economic activity entirely to its own arbitrary will and advantage, without any regard to the human dignity of the workers, the social character of economic life, social justice, and the common good. Pope Pius XI The foundation on which (our government is) built is the natural equality of man, the denial of every pre-eminence but that annexed to legal office, and particularly the denial of a pre-eminence by birth. Thomas Jefferson When the government violates the people's rights, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties. Marquis De Lafayette Revolution is the larva of civilization. Victor Hugo General rebellions and revolts of a whole people never were encouraged now or at any time. They are always provoked. Edmuns Burke It is only by instigation of the wrongs of men that what we call the rights of men become turbulent and dangerous. James Russell Lowell Revolutions are like the most noxious dungheaps, which bring into life the noblest vegetables. Napoleon When all other rights are taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect. Thomas Paine Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the First his Cromwell, and George the Third may profit by their example. If this be treason, make the most of it. Patrick Henry None but tyrants have any business to be afraid. Hardouin de Perefixe He who strikes terror into others is himself in continual fear. Claudian Tyrants have not yet discovered any chains that can fetter the mind. Colton There is something about men more capable of shaking despotic power than lightening, whirlwind, or earthquake, that is, the threatened indignation of the whole civilized world. Daniel Webster Anarchy is the sure consequence of tyranny; for no power that is not limited by laws can ever be protected by them. John Milton One sharp, stern struggle, and the slaves of centuries are free. George Massey The bigger a state becomes the more liberty diminishes. Jean Jacques Rousseau Every generation must wage a new war for freedom against new forces which seek through new devices to enslave mankind. Progressive Party Platform The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke Tyrants are always assassinated too late. That is their great excuse. E.M. Cioran There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Machiavelli Archimedes' Cockpit | Democracy Wall

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quotes2.htm#During-the-War:
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Revolutionary War Quotations By Kristen Ballard Contents: Introduction | Before the War | During the War | Conclusion | Bibliography Introduction: Many famous quotes came from the Revolutionary War. Quotes were said by people to express and tell other people their feelings. Many quotes effected people during battles, and some quotes led to the beginning of some battles. _________________________________________________________________ Before The War: "If this be treason, make the most of it!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry at the time of the Stamp Act in 1964. His purpose for saying this was to defend himself. This quote helped from a patriot group called the Stamp Act Congress. _________________________________________________________________ "If our Trade be taxed, why not our Lands, or Produce in short, everything we possess? They tax us without having legal representation." This quote was said by Samuel Adams after the Stamp Act of 1765. His purpose for saying this was to make people go against the idea of having the trade taxed. The effect it had was it made other Americans think about what had happened and many became discontent. _________________________________________________________________ "The distinctions between Virginians, Pennsylvanians, New Yorkers, and New Englanders are no more. I AM NOT A VIRGINIAN, BUT AN AMERICAN!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry in 1774 right after the Boston Tea Party had taken place. His purpose for saying this was to keep self-interest from destroying the common effort of some Americans. The effect it had was that it made American colonists work together and it angered the British. _________________________________________________________________ " the very tails of American sheep are so are so laden with wool that each sheep has little wagon to support its tail and to keep it from trailing on the ground." This quote was written by Benjamin Franklin after "Braddocks Defeat" in the London Chronicle. His purpose for saying this was to mock the English. It made the English mad and brought up several arguments about governing the colonies in America. _________________________________________________________________ " I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" This quote was said by Patrick Henry at a meeting of the First Continental Congress in 1774. His purpose for saying this was to make the Americans fight for liberty and independence. The effect it had was it played an important part on the making of the Declaration of Independence. _________________________________________________________________ During the War: "Dont fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." This quote was said by Captain John Parker after Paul Reveres ride in April of 1775 in the town of Lexington. His purpose for saying this was that he didnt want to start the war, but if the British did, they would fight. This began the Revolutionary War when one shot went off because all of the British men started firing furiously. _________________________________________________________________ "..Should the colonies send an army of two or three thousand man and attack Montreal, we should have little to fear from the Canadians or Indians, and would easily make a conquest of that place " This quote was written by Ethan Allen in 1775 after the war had begun. His purpose for saying this was because he wanted to fight the British and to tell his army that they shouldnt be afraid of the Indians or the Canadians because they could defeat them. This made it impossible for restoration of harmony. _________________________________________________________________ "I move that these united colonies ought to be free and independent" This quote was said by Richard Henry Lee in 1776 at the writing of the Deceleration of Independence. His purpose for saying this was to tell how the American colonists felt about freedom and independence. _________________________________________________________________ "On our side, the war should be defensive we are now in a [dangerous] position. Declining an engagement to flight may throw discouragement over the minds of many, but when the fate of America may be at Stake, we should continue the war as long as possible" This quote was written by George Washington in 1776. His purpose for saying this was to tell the Congress that the only way that the small Continental Army could win was to fight defensively, and to attack only when victory was certain. _________________________________________________________________ "Sink or swim, live or die, survive or perish." This quote was said be John Adams in 1776 just before the writing of the Declaration of Independence. The reason he said this was because he was standing up for the idea of the colonies being independent. _________________________________________________________________ "These are the times that try mens souls" This quote was written by Thomas Paine after the writing of the Declaration of Independence in a forty-seven page pamphlet called Common Sense. His purpose for saying this was to try to persuade the Americans to demand independence, rather then try to patch up their differences with Great Britain. The effect it had was it made George Washington start to prepare his army. _________________________________________________________________ "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country." This famous quote was said by Nathan Hale at the retreat of the British from New York in August of 1776. His purpose for saying this was these were his last words before he was hanged. This quote showed the spirit of the fighting Americans. _________________________________________________________________ "May it please Your Honor, I surrounded them!" This quote was said by Sam Clowney at the Battle of Camden. He said this because he was fooling five Tories into believing that he had a whole army with him. The effect it had was Clowney took them prisoner and he impressed Colonel Thomas. _________________________________________________________________ "Where a goat can go, a man can go; and where a man can go, he can drag a gun." This quote was said by Gentleman Johnny Burgoyne at the Battle at Mount Defiance. He said this to encourage his troops to drag their cannons and weapons up Sugarloaf Mountain (Mount Defiance). The effect it had was General St. Clair ordered the patriots to abandon the fort because they knew that they were at the mercy of the men on Sugarloaf Mountain. _________________________________________________________________ "Let us die here rather than retreat." This quote was said by Alexander Hamilton at the Battle of Monmouth. He said this to convince General Lee not to retreat. The effect it had was it gave General Lee hope. It also caused the British to retreat and sneak away to New York. _________________________________________________________________ "Tie up overcoats, pick touch-holes, fresh prime, and be ready to FIGHT!" This quote was said by Ben Cleveland at the Battle of Kings Mountain. He said this as the Americans were going out to fight the British. He said this to prepare his men for the battle. The effect it had was it made the Americans aware of how badly Cleveland wanted to win this battle. The Americans surrounded the British and took six hundred prisoners. _________________________________________________________________ "I know the cause it desperate; but Sir, we must either quit the country or attack." This quote was said by George Rogers Clark at the Battle of Vincennes in February of 1779. His reason for saying this was to convince Patrick Henry that Clark and his men must attack the Hair Buyer and his men or give up completely. The effect it had was the Indians fled because they believed Clark had about a thousand men at the bottom of a hill. _________________________________________________________________ "I have not yet begun to fight!" This quote was said by John Paul Jones at the battle between the Bonhomme Richard and the Serapis in September of 179. His purpose for saying this was to show that he was not going to give up. The effect it had was the battle continued for two more hours and soon after that, the Serapis toppled into the water, forcing Pearson to surrender. _________________________________________________________________ "I request you will witness to the world that I die like a brave man." This quote was said by John André at the attack from West Point in August of 1780. He said this because he was hanged when he was pronounced a spy and even though he didnt do the crime he didnt fight to get free. It had a big effect on certain people. Sir Henry Clinton locked himself in his room for three days, and the English newspapers raged over the hanging. They called it murder. _________________________________________________________________ "We began a contest for liberty ill provided with the means for the war, relying on our patriotism to supply the deficiency. We expected to encounter many wants and distressed we must bear the present evils and fortitude" This quote was said by George Washington at the battle of West Point in 1781. He wrote this because he was telling the army and the people on the home front not to give up or lose heart in the battle. _________________________________________________________________ Conclusion: Many quotations had important effects on most of the people in the Revolutionary War. They made some people very mad, some happy, some confused, and they even made some people proud. Quotes had a lot of thought put into them. Some people have to this awhile before they can understand them. Bibliography: Ingraham, Leonard W. An Album of the Americans Revolution. New York, New York: Franklin Watts, 1971 Lawson, Don. The American Revolution; Americas Fist War for Independence. New York, New York: Abenlard-Schuman, 1974 Reeder, Colonel Red. The Story of the Revolutionary War. New York, New York: Meredith Press, 1959 _________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents | Projects Menu | Greece Home Page

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Diamonds, diamonds.
by cypango＠mxtro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypango Ventures Ltd. ( http://www.mxtro.com/cypango ) is poised to join the ranks of Canada's leading diamond producers. It is anticipated that Canada will produce 25 % of the world's diamonds by the end of 1998. Cypango has acquired controlling interest in over 3.5 million acres which surround the soon to be producing BHP/DiaMet properties in Canada's Northwest Territories. BHP/DiaMet is expected to be in production next year, and Cypango Ventures, Ltd. has already located five "Kimberlite pipes", the prehistoric geological formations that give birth to the world's most coveted diamonds. Cypango Ventures, Ltd trades on the Vancouver Stock Exchange under the symbol "CAV". Please reply with "remove" in the subject line for easy and permanent removal from our mailing list.

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* > >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html > >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 > >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) The conference must have been interesting. I wish I'd been there. A few random thoughts: 1. The article doesn't bring this out, but Infonex hosts many/most of the US based remailers, including the one Joey Grasty and I run (ran, actually, as we are facing a technical problem at the moment due to an anti-spam measure taken by Infonex). This makes Lance a "choke point," just as Sameer was when c2 was in the ISP business. ISPs with that "go get a warrant/court order" attitude aren't too common. Telecommunications businesses (especially phone companies) have historically cooperated with law enforcement. 2. I think that the courts will look at paid-for anonymity cases in a different way from cases where anonymity is "donated" by trouble- makers like Joey Grasty. I doubt, for example, that the feds learned nothing in the Zimmermann case about picking defendants. My buddy Joey - working at Motorola and living with a wife, cute kid, mother in law, and cat - is fortunately not that defendant, IMO. A nasty- looking Austrian Nazi, paying a US provider to break Austrian laws, just might be. [Ironic that the anonymity which protects him would certainly be outlawed under the very system that he advocates.] 3. I'd be interested to know the make-up of, and arguments put forth by, the group(s) which decided the government should limit anonymity. Obviously, they weighed the costs differently than many of us would. 4. No remailer operator that I am aware of would keep logs for Freeh, we'd all shut down instead. Keeping records, even if not directly for law enforcement, automatically makes you a target for them, and for compelled disclosure by civil attorneys in discovery. "Don't do it, mon." If (when) a law or treaty gets passed with the effect of outlawing anonymous browsing/remailers, it won't appear with a nice, easy to understand preface that says: "this is an act to outlaw anonymity, and/or require anonymous service providers to keep records for law enforcement." It will probably look more like the recent criminal copyright bill, and rely on hard-to-interpret words like "willful," which morph as they move from a civil to a criminal realm. My old nemesis, the changing definition of the word "escrow," was merely a warning. Future definition fudging is unlikely to be as brazen, but will probably be just as dangerous to freedom and privacy. JMR [Since I'm not directly on c-punks, please cc any replies to me.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNHqCXzUhsGSn1j2pAQF8HQfPUeky+/W6P077mmptFwc0HziiD5rJFsCH xKp7Y5Pbwzvy2l9OIEzWkWgmyqYUCE5jAz3N+E2haQFhRRs10DQB+vki7WO15116 sbOpq+8lRoFAFD/ulKlQGYcTB3bv0YpC+A8T0SR52uNPnJxh0M3OKqk02n4cb0+4 3IZYIGXZ/5w2EbZzx76/KpeyzkUbRMfFElx6Yk1uy3u7ilzLkAX5zFJ5+Pb/iriD tS8XCDtJsVVYFM9aYcuSFDwWMfn3Ocb0BB43kIM2ugELkWwLdryinDFn0DN2GofG twGN3aYCMe94f3hm9UINORyOIkJAp0ywCAAZ+xFajrFKyw== =LFAt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 02:20:34AM +0100, Anonymous [Monty Cantsin] wrote: >> Fabrice Planchon wrote: >> >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... >> >> They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) > >Oups... of course I made a typo, and everybody read "in 1812 >yadayadayada". And yes it counts and I like it... I assume you are in the U.S. on a visa, right? I would recommend using a remailer for this sort of seditious comment. (Seriously!) >...(just because the initial reason for this mess was the tentative >to take over Canada, and it just illustrates that the US were already >as any other country, trying to take over their neighbours ;-) Of >course nowadays you don't see that they miserabily failed on that >occasion) As late as the 1930s, the U.S. Army had detailed plans for an invasion of Canada. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHpuAJaWtjSmRH/5AQGbXwf8C7ydmQft6ooWXS5iJm7nZvSqLpgPLdBL rfbaNSu08/tgWjVpTY/LHzwcNmBGn29vIzUrNY9b+cy3ROlXf1XFfZf6sVyei9Lf WPG6AFT3MxbcHF8RoknJUCYmImPTCWKtVeCKoscyEfhIj6uG9m8gbVF5TlwT90C7 cb+OdRBprnY2OUlEWhNAQ++tTpr7lhLlQY4qe5Tah5Jk95iMcZZghyqX0//4zb9t Fak1REGlnXIq+pvJQcYulJQL5iorbuETOIEekOimCiCW9pqq1xjXLdG24rXqg1V5 4r6NPcdCq15Z9o83j+r7+yJlt90ibSv/rAnNHncEwmA0EHZlcVjGtA== =7xnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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For the ADD Afflicted
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out http://www.handle.org for an alternative solution to drugs. .. Blanc

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Re: Free speech and jlist groups press conf on ratings (12/1)
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:34 PM 11/24/97 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ** MEDIA ADVISORY ** > > Press Conference on Internet Ratings and Filtering > > >WHO: Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) > >WHAT: Press conference announcing the formation of IFEA, a coalition of >organizations devoted to the continuation of the Internet as a forum for >open expression and to identify new threats to free expression and First >Amendment values on the Internet, whether legal or technological. > >WHEN: Monday, December 1, 12:30 p.m. > >WHERE: First Amendment Lounge > National Press Club > 14th & F Streets, N.W. > Washington, DC > >WHY: To address the free speech issues raised by proposals to rate >and filter "objectionable" content on the Internet. Is there any suggestion as to the first meaning to define "objectionable"? Of course not. That would limit the number of expense paid trips around the country definitions the organization paying the bills does not agree with. "Objectionable" means anyone can write off a pseudo-vacation. And you do not eveb have to show up for the sessions and interupt the sightseeing tour. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Anonymity at any cost, from The Netly News
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:31 PM 11/24/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >********* >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1594,00.html >The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) >November 24, 1997 >Anonymity At Any Cost >by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) > When Lance Cottrell created an easy-to-use anonymous e-mail service > back in 1994, he feared that nobody would use it. "I used to be > worried that people didn't want anonymity enough to pay for it," > he says. Today his company, Infonex, boasts 3,000 customers who > pay $60 a year to browse the Web without leaving behind digital > footprints. Making the cookie read only and erasing previous additions does the same thing for free. Cottrell is PT Barnum speaking. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Arthritis Suffer's!!! Read this NOW!!!
by srf＠venus.gmds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: NBC Mugs Jim Bell
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks ## Date: 11/21/97 ## Subject: Re: NBC Mugs Jim Bell ] >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:34:33 -0500 >From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> >Subject: NBC Mugs Jim Bell >An NBC News story this evening on the threat of CB terrorism >full-screened a closeup of Jim Bell's mug shot, the same as >the lead photo in US News last week. The story presented >much the same line and Internet sources of frightening >information but did not balance it with a sidebar on >burgeoning anti-terrorist opportunism as did US News. I guess the good news is, we've finally figured out why they've been holding him so long before sentencing--to make sure he doesn't miss any of his scheduled media events. Or perhaps, given the nature of the coverage, to make sure he *does* miss them all. We need a good posterboy for one of the Four Horsemen, to ensure the passage of next year's Guaranteeing Freedom through Imposition of a Benevolent Police State Act of 1999, and the following year's appointment of first lady Tipper Gore as Internet Czar. --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHYfO0Hx57Ag8goBAQFQgAQA6blKyFsP+k79lTdq5NWJXV5HQGk6l2LR cl4xQGZuYsDcZNOlWnAVsxvS7dVN+lU6wAgYJkUhsuNvOSFnC9Op32scmrPg8pQ+ XTS5EsdaGMi1o+AefVnnoOvcLZxOoprkk1bIk6/gbD9fjGvS8zapgtvL22oXmQJt a2C0GvDa2/w= =Vmm6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36

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PGP 5.0 ConsensuS?? -- is it usable?
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do you think that it is a good idea to migrate from pgp 2.6.3 to pgp 5.0 now? This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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News of Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous forwarded three local news stories about Jim's sentencing: http://jya.com/jimbell6.htm An excerpt: In a hearing in U.S. District Court in Tacoma this morning, Bell 's public defender and an assistant U.S. Attorney recommended a 6-to-12-month jail sentence for Bell as part of a plea-bargain agreement. But federal probation officers recommended a sentence of 27 months. In doing so, they said they were looking at the "totality" of Bell's behavior, including the threatening nature of his Internet essay, "Assassination Politics." As a result, U.S. District Court Judge Franklin D. Burgess said he was uncomfortable with the situation. "Somehow I am getting a feeling that somebody knows more about something than I do," Burgess said. Also reported: Jim had encrypted some of his files. And though "Bell plead guilty to relatively innocuous charges" IRS investigators compared him to The Unabomber and Tim McVeigh, and claimed he was "part of a far darker scheme to assassinate IRS agents and topple the U.S. government."

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Re: Iraq and computers
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Monkey Catskin wrote: > > Michael Wilson wrote that Reuters wrote: > > >Quoting U.S. officials and U.N. diplomats, the newspaper said that > > >Iraqi scientists and defense officials are using Western-made > > >computers to transfer data from bulky papers to small disks that can > > >be easily dispersed, making the information difficult for inspectors > > >to track. > > This is an interesting development because it also makes it hard for > > the Iraqi government to track what is going on, too. The government > > of Iraq has been aware of the dangers of computers for many years. At > > one time they were tightly controlled. Even typewriters were > > controlled. The government had writing samples of each one. > > Now, apparently, this policy is loosening. This suggests that U.S. > > policy of the last 8 years has managed to achieve what Saddam Hussein > > could not - it has made the Hussein regime a genuinely popular > > government. I wonder... does Iraq have a web site? While third world contries seldom have computer specialists, it seemed pretty easy for Iraq to get biological weapon specialists working for them. [Other more sensible arguments exist...] Iraq has more money than they can reasonably spend, but management troubles. Solution: IntraIraq, the network with Sadam ads. While burning papers has some flare to it, it's pretty likely that most of the classified data not in Sadam's head must be in some computer system[s], easily housed by the UN no-no sites for inspectors. Also, can Iraq's people create [and display] web pages? -Brandon Crosby

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Re: BIOS Help
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Hi Brandon, > > > Does anyone know where specs for Award BIOS chips are? I accidentily > > locked mine and lost the password. > Contact Award directly. If you have the data off the tag on the BIOS chip as > well as the version data on boot you should be able to get a technical > manual for the particular BIOS your computer uses. Note however that these > manuals are generaly not cheap, sometimes costing a couple hundred dollars. > The reason for the price is that it describes the BIOS to such a deep > extent. > > Review your motherboard, there is usualy a jumper that allows the BIOS > to be reset. The process usualy goes like: > > - turn computer off > - locate jumper and short with a shorting-block > - turn computer on then off > - remove the shorting-block > - the BIOS should be reset > > Don't know if Award has a webpage but you might try www.award.com or one > of the search engines. > Thanks for your help [and, to someone else for the default password]. OK, not much of a thankyou, I guess... [The default passwd worked] What is a 'Magic Password'? -Brandon Crosby

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> [ok, there we go again... this will be my last post on the subject which > is way-off topic by now. If it wasn't for the reference to Vichy I > wouldn't answer on the list] There is no such thing as an off topic post on the new cypherpunks list, at least according to Tim May and Monty Cantsin. Whatever interests them is automatically on-topic.

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Dear subscribers
by Michael Sims 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear subscribers to the Cypherpunks list -- Mikhael Frieden, mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com, is an alias for Matt Giwer, a name I hope many of you will recognize. On the F-C list, he is now the origin of perhaps 25% of the traffic, as much as 50% some days, most of which are standard, clueless, trolling, or lying responses which are designed to suck people into endless replies like those on what the Anonymizer does or does not do. William Geiger writes, "Absolutly, I can't beleive that Mikhael is *that* clueless." Well, yes. When you're trying to troll, you are that clueless. We here on the F-C list are hoping to sort of ignore him and hope he'll go away -- all I see of him are the number of messages hitting my to-be-deleted folder and the endless replies cross-posted from cypherpunks. See: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/net-abuse/ http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ Giwer will even accuse *himself* of lying. Please do the people on F-C a favor by not cross-posting any replies that are off-topic for F-C, and hell, while I'm at it, by not replying to Giwer at all for any reason. If you're not careful he'll join cypherpunks. -- Michael Sims [I'm not on cypherpunks - reply by direct email only, please]

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RFC on Infrastructure Aliens
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BXA issued today an RFC for the recent PCCIP report on threats to the nation's infrastructure. It provides a handy summary of the report's findings and proposals for policy, technology, law and arms-waving of insider gov, com and edu to protect their children against outside techno-bugabears: http://jya.com/bxa-pccip-rfc.htm (14K)

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AAAS amicus brief in Bernstein case is on the Web; Citadel files too.
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The American Association for the Advancement of Science filed a rather good 62-page "brief" arguing that: I. The Regulations Violate the First Amendment II. The Regulations Violate Equal Protection Applied to the Federal Government Through the Fifth Amendment III. The Regulations Violate the Privileges and Immunities Clause as Applied to the Federal Government under the Fifth Amendment by Infringing the Right to Make Use of the Most Effective Commercially Available Means of Communication IV. The Regulations Violate the Constitutional Right of Privacy. Their arguments are novel, interesting, and generally well presented. See http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/971110_aaas.amicus In addition, the Citadel for Constitutional Government has filed a sixth amicus brief with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. We are still pursuing an online copy of that brief. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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send help
by Jari Aalto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

help mailing-lists

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