December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A new first for Reno/Justice! Encryption not even on the agenda!
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- December 11, 1997, NYTimes: Reno Says Plan Will "Match Wits" With Technological Criminals By JERI CLAUSING >>> A new first for Reno/Justice! Encryption not even on the agenda! absolutely unreal --of course, being cynical at heart (and having watched the snakes and other assorted vermin inside the Beltway, encryption control will be back... http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/121197crime.html WASHINGTON Justice officials from the world's largest industrial countries met here on Wednesday to draft an international plan that Attorney General Janet Reno said was designed to catch cybercriminals and ensure no safe haven exists for them. ... "Today is an important day in fighting computer crime, and in laying the groundwork for the next century of crime fighting," ... cover the following principles: 1. Ensuring that a sufficient number of trained and equipped law enforcement personnel are enlisted to fight high-tech crime. 2. Creating contacts available on a 24-hour basis to allow countries to move quickly in tracking down computer criminals. 3. Developing faster ways to trace attacks on computer networks and identify hackers. 4. Carrying out a criminal prosecution in the country a suspect flees to, if extradition is impossible. 5. Taking steps to preserve important information on computer networks to help prevent tampering. 6. Reviewing the respective legal systems in each nation to make sure there are appropriate crimes for computer wrongdoing and to make it easier to investigate the crimes. 7. Working with the industry to come up with new ways to detect and prevent computer crimes. 8. Stepping up efforts to use new technologies, such as so-called video links, which would allow obtaining testimony from witnesses in other countries. ... Reno said the contentious topic of encryption regulation was not a focus of the meeting. ..."We were here to discuss a framework," she said. "Encryption was not a topic. Although it was alluded to, it generally was not a topic." ... Asked what the biggest dangers are from technological criminals, Reno gave the example of a hacker who can "sit in his room in Washington, D.C., and steal from a bank in another country," or sabotage the computer networks of companies or governments anywhere in the world. ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQBVAwUBNI/M3LR8UA6T6u61AQGLaAH/QnLL+qfrlPR3U+08+GVNX6Fh6g1KyvkT uxawQXMeZKva9c6miAgSRSftgVbueIeHNtjTZBL9npbnzwPl9ASL2g== =xrMG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Diffie-Hellman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy `C' May is another loser who pays for got.net because he lacks the mental capacity to gain net access as a perk of either employment or academic achievment. 0 \/|/\ Timothy `C' May | / \/\ \/

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Improved RealAudio and RealVideo with New RealPlayer 5.0
by RealNetworks News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Teach if you know it.
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Same old shit from Gary L. Burnore / DataBasix
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) > X-No-Archive: yes > :Your paranoid conspiracy theories remind me of the kid who blamed the mess in > :his bedroom on an invisible herd of stampeding elephants. ("Well of course > :you didn't see them, dad. They're INVISIBLE.") In your case, you speculate > :that there's a single "anonymous asshole" who's responsible for everything > :that you CLAIM has occurred. > > > Nope, I'm saying that the anonymous asshole (you) keeps posting lies with no > proof and still hasn't explained why. How is asking you a QUESTION a LIE? Why won't you answer the question about why you wanted the sendmail logs from the Huge Cajones Remailer? What purpose did you have in mind for all those names and e-mail addresses? > First you said it was because of rfg > then because of burchell yet you were attacking me long before either. I trust that you have proof for that accusation. Are you now saying that your previous accusation that rfg was your so-called "anon-asshole" was a lie? Or your accusation that Scott Dentice was this person? Remember, it's YOUR theory that there's only ONE such person, yet you've accused three different people of being this individual. > So come on anonasshole, what's your reason? If you don't like my answer, then stop asking the question. As one of the former users of Jeff Burchell's now-defunct remailer, please explain why you wanted him to turn over his logs to you and Belinda Bryan which, had they existed, would have listed the identities of everyone who either sent or received anonymous mail through that remailer. > : The problem is, you haven't proven that 90% of > :the stuff you *CLAIM* occurred even happened, let alone was the work of your > :imaginary lone "spam-baiting/forging/child-molesting/cyber-stalking/libeling" > :(did I miss anything?) so-called "anon asshole". > > > Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. You still haven't posted proof of your claims. They're YOUR claims, Gary. You're the one who keeps claiming that you're the victim of "forgery", "libel", "spam baiting", etc. You are the one that made the unsubstantiated claim that a remailer user sent a harassing letter to an unnamed "teenage girl" with a web page at DataBasix. You are the one who needs to prove them. > :How about some proof of your wild charges, Gary? > > > You're posting anonymously. You're lying about me. Those are the charges. I'm posting anonymously? Well cry me a river. Deal with it! If that's your charge, then it says more about you than it does about me. If posting anonymously upsets you, then that alone is reason enough to do it. I'm lying about you? How? By asking you why you wanted to violate the privacy of all of the users of Jeff Burchell's remailer? It was Jeff's post that revealed your attempt to violate the privacy of his users. I only referred to it. How does that make me a liar? > :" Only one of us even USES > :remailers (or at least admits to it). You, OTOH, have never had a civil word > :to say about ANY anonymous poster. > > You're the one who keeps ranting on and on that I'm agaist remailers and I say > I'm not. You've yet to do anything other than prove that you really do want to > shut them down. Then why did you harass Jeff Burchell by demanding that he turn over his logs to you that would have identified all of his remailer's users and effectively shut it down by destroying confidence in its integrity. Did you really think that the remailer would have remained viable after it was revealed that its operator turned over its logs to DataBasix or the Church of Scientology? Or were you hoping that your attempted end run on privacy would remain your own dirty little secret? > : If remailers were shut down, I'd lose my > :ability to post. What would you lose, Gary? > > The same thing you'd lose. How so? You claim that you don't use remailers. > : Is being able to identify your > :critics and single them out for harassment really that important to you? > > You mean like you single me out for harassment? Your disinformation is getting old. You've posted no evidence: * No evidence that this so called "harassment" even occurred. * No evidence that it originated from someone other than a DataBasix staffer fabricating evidence for a smear campaign. * No evidence that I did it. * No evidence, period. Typical DataBasix big lie technique. How about the evidence, BurnFUD? HINT: Unsupported allegations that an UNNAMED user at DataBasix was "harassed" by an UNDISCLOSED e-mail from an UNNAMED person using an UNNAMED remailer are not evidence. I've posted a URL to my evidence, posted by a NON-anonymous, firsthand witness to your abuse, that NAMED you, Belinda Bryan, and William J. McClatchie. You are invited to do likewise, if you have any such evidence.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: FCPUNX:Elliptic Curve Tidbit
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:01 PM 12/9/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > Certicom estimates the difficulty of the warmup exercises thus: > > > Using a network of 3000 computers, it is expected that the > > 79-bit exercise could be solved in a matter of hours, the > > 89-bit in a matter of days, and the 97-bit in a matter of > > weeks. > > Harley and Baisley applied 6 computers to ECCp-79 and solved it in a > bit under 10 days, which would have amounted to less than half an hour > had they had 3000 machines to throw at the problem. In that case, 240 bit keys, as used by Pegwit and Kong, should take 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years on a network of three thousand computers, assuming that the scaling law claimed by Certicom holds true. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the state. http://www.jim.com/jamesd/

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Re: 'Off' the parking pigs! (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/10/97 2:45 PM, Eric Seggebruch - NYC SE (eric.seggebruch(a)East.Sun.COM) passed this wisdom: >Actually it is possible for the government to get more than one shot at >a defendant through the doctrine of dual sovereignty (state and >federal). That is how they got the police officers involved in the >Rodney King incident. When the state court (California) jury let them >off, the feds prosecuted them for civil rights violations in federal >court. TRhey also got the guys who murdered the civil rights workers in the 60's, after being acquitted in state court of murder. They were convicted of the federal crime of violating the victims civil rights also. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The 2nd amendment guarantees all the rest."

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Teach if you know it.
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who is the Organization of Cypherpunks-j and Cypherpunks-e ? Teach if you know it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Phoenix Area cypherpunks CFIL (Call for Interest-level)
by Steve＠AZTech.Net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I keep seeing periodic announcements for crypto-related gatherings in various metro-areas in other parts of the country. I haven't noticed any from Phoenix (nor the rest of Arizona) so, I thought I'd take it apon myself to take a CFIL. If (say) 10 people respond, I'll begin organizing a periodic get-together, along the lines of what some other localities have already done. Note to other organizers: I'd appreciate helpful hints on how to make things work. I'm more of a techie than a socialite, and don't understand all of the niceties of getting people together, finding cheap laces to meat, and finding people willing to get up in front of a crowd and talk, much less getting people that don't know each other to talk to each other. Prospective participants: Please respond with at least general coordinates for your preferred meeting place, and your preferred days/dates/times for meeting. I'd _really_ like to see this get off of the ground. I _know_ that Phoenix/AZ has enough high-tech/security-interested people to get things going. I'll be really dissapointed in my home-state if I can't get at least 10 responses. -- Steve P.S. If there is strong objection to the distribution list that I am currently using, I apologize. The initial announcement was meant to reach as many people interested in cryptography located in PHX/AZ as possible. Future announcements will probably be sent to a new majordomo list and other selected lists, as appropriate. (List managers: If you don't appreciate my efforts, please let me know.) P.P.S. If your MUA doesn't honor Reply-to: headers, please CC: sgibbo(a)amex-trs.com for a prompt response.

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING, SATURDAY 12/13, 1PM, MOUNTAIN VIEW
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The December Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held 12/13 at 1pm at Printer's Ink on Castro Street in Mountain View. Depending on the weather and the size of the crowd, we'll either stay there or move to the Java Something across the street. Many of the usual suspects have been at the IETF meeting this week, so there isn't a precise agenda, but there's been a lot of activity to discuss: - Dan Bernstein Hearing Dec. 8th - PGP acquired by McAfee / NA - OpenPGP standards committee - we've reached some probable conclusions on handling the CMR Additional Recipient Request, and there's an OpenPGP track at the IETF meeting. - Any new hacks from Berkeley? - Lucky Green's Latest Smartcard Tricks Directions: Printer's Ink. is on Castro St. at the corner of Dana, about two blocks south of the Central Expressway. Parking lots are behind the stores. From 101, Take Moffett Blvd Exit to Mountain View Moffett becomes Castro St. as it crosses the Central Expressway. From El Camino, take Castro St. about two blocks north. By Caltrain, take the Mountain View Castro Street stop, about 1 hour south of San Francisco or 20 min north of San Jose. By ICBM or GPS, it's about 37.39395N 122.07791W. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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htp.org (cypherpunks-e dist)
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies for error messages. htp.org has been down for a few days due to ISP problems. It is running again. - Joi -- PGP Key: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2D9461F1 PGP Fingerprint: 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ji.to

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Warning: if you fuck Tim Mayflower in the ass, a rabid tapeworm might bite your penis. ,,, (o-o) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Tim Mayflower

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How about a Bay Area meeting 1/17/98?
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill wrote: > The December Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held 12/13 at 1pm at > Printer's Ink on Castro Street in Mountain View. It would be nice if the January meeting were held the 17th. This is the day following the RSA Data Security Conference, and a lot of out-of-towners will be in the area over that weekend. Peter Trei

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Choosing to not become a member of the collective society/mindset the government has put in place will soon become illegal. Money laundering is illegal for a very simple reason everything is becoming illegal: Control. Money laundering prevents the government to "control" your money. When they could not take your money in the interest of national/public/child safety for such wasteful ventures like the perpetual war on drugs ,and when you thought for yourself and realized how wasteful it all was and that you would not willing give your money the government made it illegal to hide your money. Then they came up with asset forfeiture laws to legally take your vaporware, commonly referred to as 'money'.

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Re: Book Review - Coordinating the Internet
by damaged justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- forwarded message -- >From: danny(a)staff.cs.su.oz.au (Danny Yee) Newsgroups: aus.books,usyd.net,rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews,rec.arts.books.reviews,alt.culture.internet,misc.books.technical,alt.books.technical,aus.computers,aus.org.efa,comp.org.eff.talk,talk.politics.misc Subject: Book Review - Coordinating the Internet Followup-To: alt.culture.internet,talk.politics.misc Date: 12 Dec 1997 11:37:48 GMT Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia Lines: 103 Approved: danny(a)cs.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <66r7mc$3kk$1(a)crux.cs.su.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: staff.cs.su.oz.au X-Server-Date: 12 Dec 1997 11:37:48 GMT http://www.anatomy.su.oz.au/danny/book-reviews/h/Coordinating_Internet.html title: Coordinating the Internet edited: Brian Kahin + James H. Keller publisher: The MIT Press 1997 other: 491 pages, references, index The superstructural politics and economics of the Internet (such issues as censorship and taxation) have long held centre stage. Increasingly, however, the politics and economics of the low level operation of the Internet have emerged from the shadows. It is these -- the governance and pricing of routing, addressing, and naming services -- which are the subject of _Coordinating the Internet_. The first four essays consider general issues in Internet governance. Gillet and Kapor explain how 99% of the Internet operates without centralised control and suggest that coordination of domain name assignment and IP address allocation will eventually look "a lot more like coordination of the rest of the Internet". Gould provides a UK perspective, suggesting the evolution of English constitutional law and the supranational powers of the European Union as possible models for the Internet. Johnson and Post argue for decentralised governance, highlighting serious problems with alternatives such as extending national sovereignty, international treaties, or governance by international organisations. Rutkowski is less enthusiastic, claiming that "the notion of Internet self-governance is in fact an illusion arising from the relative unfamiliarity of many people associated with the Internet with either its history or the surrounding legal and regulatory constructs in which it exists". The domain name system is probably the most visible area of contention at the moment; it is the subject of seven of the papers in _Coordinating the Internet_. Five of them take different positions on the legal arguments over its interaction with trademark law and the political arguments over which organisations should be involved in its administration: the United Nations, the United States Federal government, InterNIC, and the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority just some of the contenders. Taking a step back, Andeen and King compare the DNS with telephony addressing in World Zone 1 (the North American Numbering Plan) and Mitchell, Bradner and Claffy argue that the obsession with the DNS is a red herring, that issues of Internet governance and sustainability are far broader. Moving on to less prominent but probably more fundamental issues, Rekhter, Resnick and Bellovin write about the need to provide financial incentives for route aggregation and efficient use of the address space, and suggest a framework for property rights and contracts that will achieve this. And Hoffman and Claffy evaluate the advantages and disadvantages of metro-based addressing (based on geography rather than provider). There are five papers on interconnection and settlement systems and agreements between service providers. Bailey and McKnight survey the variety of interconnection agreements and argue for the introduction of usage-sensitive pricing in conjunction with integrated services with guaranteed quality of service. Cawley, in contrast, extols "the virtues (and appropriateness) of capacity-based pricing and flat-rate tariffs", but suggests that many kinds of pricing models can coexist and that "interconnection and settlement are best left to market forces". Chinoy and Salo review what the transition from the NSFnet to commercial backbones teaches us about oversight and scaling issues. Farnon and Huddle use theoretical efficiency modelling to argue that the present "sender keeps all" settlement system is flawed. And Mueller, Hui and Cheng recount the history of the Hong Kong Internet Exchange. The final two papers deal with quality of service evaluation, with performance monitoring and statistics. Almes presents an overview of the IETF IP Provider Metrics effort, while Monk and Claffy suggest ways of overcoming practical obstacles -- political and economic as well as technological -- to adequate data acquisition. _Coordinating the Internet_ is moderately technical (though it avoids plumbing the complexities of protocols such as BGP) and on some issues its presentation of so many different viewpoints may be more confusing than clarifying. But it is an accessible and informative collection -- and an important and timely one, given the increasing urgency of some of the issues it debates. -- Disclaimer: I requested and received a review copy of _Coordinating the Internet_ from The MIT Press, but I have no stake, financial or otherwise, in its success. -- %T Coordinating the Internet %E Brian Kahin %E James H. Keller %I The MIT Press %C Cambridge, Massachusetts %D 1997 %O paperback, references, index %G ISBN 0-262-61136-8 %P xviii,491pp %U http://mitpress.mit.edu/book-home.tcl?isbn=0262611368 %K Internet, politics, economics, law 12 December 1997 --------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 Danny Yee (danny(a)cs.usyd.edu.au) http://www.anatomy.usyd.edu.au/danny/book-reviews/ --------------------------------------------------- -- end of forwarded message --

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Only criminals don't support concealed-carry laws
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:18:04 -0800 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: Somebody Subject: Only criminals don't support concealed-carry laws >.> > =============================================== > NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY > 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 > Washington DC 20037 > =============================================== > For release: December 9, 1997 > =============================================== > For additional information: > George Getz, Deputy Director of Communications > Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 > E-Mail: 76214.3676(a)CompuServe.com > =============================================== > > > The evidence is clear: Only criminals don't > support concealed-carry laws, say Libertarians > > WASHINGTON, DC -- If you want to reduce crime, allow more > people to carry more concealed guns, the Libertarian Party said today. > > And that opinion is confirmed by a new Cato Institute study, > which found that violent crime rates dropped dramatically in the 24 > states that have passed "concealed-carry" laws -- which allow ordinary > citizens to carry concealed weapons. > > "At this point, the only people who don't support > concealed-carry laws are criminals," said Steve Dasbach, the party's > national chairman. > > In those 24 states, concealed-carry laws force local police to > grant most citizens a concealed weapon permit after meeting certain > qualifications. Usually, that includes getting fingerprinted, passing a > criminal background check, and taking a gun safety course. > > "For years, gun-control advocates claimed that laws allowing > concealed weapons would lead to murder and mayhem," said Steve Dasbach, > chairman of the Libertarian Party. "But the exact opposite is true: > Concealed weapons actually save lives." > > The Cato Institute study, timed to coincide with the 10-year > anniversary of Florida's controversial concealed-carry law, found that > in the 24 states with concealed-carry laws, murders dropped by 7.7%, > rapes fell by 5.2%, robberies decreased by 2.2%, and aggravated > assaults were reduced by 7%. > > And in states where politicians continue to outlaw concealed > weapons? > > "There's blood in the streets," Dasbach said. "After accounting > for all other factors, the study calculated that in 1992 alone, 1,414 > more people were murdered than would have been if concealed-carry laws > were in effect." > > And the carnage doesn't end there: An additional 4,177 people > were raped, 11,898 more were robbed, and 60,363 more assaulted solely > as a result of the increased criminal activity that apparently comes > with concealed weapons bans, the study said. > > "But who is surprised that violent street thugs prefer to prey > on people who can't shoot back?" Dasbach asked. "By refusing to approve > concealed-carry laws, politicians in other states have painted a target > on the back of America's most vulnerable citizens." > > The study also shoots a hole in two other gun-control myths, > Dasbach said. One is that concealed-carry laws will resurrect the "Wild > West," turning ordinary Americans into trigger-happy gunslingers. > > "The study found that the number of concealed-carry > permit-holders convicted of murder committed in public is exactly zero, > and less serious crimes are extremely rare," he said. For example, only > one in 5,000 Floridians have had their permits revoked for crimes > involving a firearm. > > The other myth: That accidental shootings will become > commonplace. > > "The number of accidental deaths increased so slightly (less > than half of 1%) that implementing concealed-carry laws in every > remaining state would result in less than one additional death per year > - -- far less than the number of lives saved because of the reduced > murder rate," said Dasbach. > > "In other words, the real danger comes not from concealed > weapons, but from the lack of them," he said. > > Dasbach emphasized that although concealed-carry laws are a > major step in the right direction, they're not the perfect solution for > Libertarians. > > "Right-to-carry laws are only a partial victory because > Americans shouldn't have to seek government permission to exercise any > Constitutional right. Imagine what would happen if politicians dared to > require every journalist to pass a writing test to get a permit to > cover city hall, or tried to force ministers to demonstrate a basic > knowledge of religion before giving a sermon," he said. > > But requiring a permit is better than the alternative, he said: > Sentencing innocent people to death because they can't legally defend > themselves. > > "Denying terrified Americans the right to carry a gun is like > putting them at the front of the line on Death Row," he said. "At they > very least, politicians should have the decency to stop disarming > America's most vulnerable citizens: Crime victims." > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBNI4ttdCSe1KnQG7RAQGH+wP9E9V7Qz84YFPtuo/ccCLGoYfU5C11G7dD > lr9oHNdd+JtkaBhoDB+NmDpO3lccNueq5Cl4ZxO8uJ67LjeMU4gvFhev8eMUr3Rs > Cj2zuWTEa94Xnl4gR3BBKnlykyIIc5WCpN9ftsmA3zB4bP4rpVNfJgcKPW2BQs+U > dMEaQprF4V8= > =GkYU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ > 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 > Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 > __________________________________________________________________________ <somebody's.sig> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Another of Gary Burnore's Lies Exposed
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Sam" <sam-001(a)dpinc.ml.org> wrote: > > Three examples: Speculation about Wotan and MailMasher, Speculation about > > DataBasix and one of many posts from the anon asshole complaining that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Here are selected paragraps from each. The full messages follow: > > [snip] > > I'd rather look at full messages. Good idea. Notice Gary's usage of ad hominem argumention to avoid the issues on the faulty premise that if you hate the messenger then you can safely ignore the message. To Gary Burnore, his constant use of the perjorative "anonymous asshole" is apparently intended in the same manner as "heretic" was in the Middle Ages or "witch" was in 17th century New England. > This is something about warez and remailer, and Burchell discussing the > possible identity of whoever was behind whatever was discussed here. > Nothing is said regarding the issue here of forging databasix addresses > through the remailer, who was doing it, and why. > > I happen to recall that this was what this thread is supposed to be about. The original premise was that since the Mailmasher pseudonym server was allegedly allowing forgeries, it should be shut down. McClatchie's problem was that he mistook Mailmasher for a remailer and sought to prove that it allowed forgeries through the pasting of From: headers when, in fact, Mailmasher never had this capability. (Some of the remailers formerly did, but that was corrected long before the June incident with Gary Burnore, Belinda Bryan, and Jeff Burchell.) The "evidence" that was posted back then in an attempt to implicate Mailmasher in forgery consisted of usenet posts with truncated Path headers which stopped at the mail-to-news gateway from which they were posted. And none of the messages was more recent than 2/97. Mailmasher was a predecessor to Hotmail and the other web-based e-mail providers. The difference was that Mailmasher didn't require you to identify yourself to establish an account, but you could choose a pseudonym and use that instead. It never had any capabilities to specify a From: address. This the forged messages apparently not only had forged "From:" lines, but a forged "Message-ID:" as well, to make it look as if it came from Mailmasher. The forger, however, apparently chose the wrong site to implicate. If you'll reread Jeff's post (the one in the URL that I previously posted), you'll get a little insight into Gary's actions and apparent motives for his later attacks on Jeff's other server, the Huge Cajones Remailer. Let me quote a short excerpt: -> I still don't know what the hell is going on with DataBasix, Wells Fargo -> and Gary Burnore, but I suspect that someone used huge.cajones to say -> something extremely unflattering about Burnore (from what I can tell, -> he had it coming). Burnore then decided that he would make things -> difficult for me. First, he wanted the user who had posted something -> "inflammatory" about him revealed. When I told him that I couldn't -> do that, he carried on about mail logs and identifying the host that -> a message came from (the usual). I didn't explain to him that my -> machine keeps logs, but not anything involving a *(a)cajones.com -> address. He then requested the logs, which I denied (and told him -> to get his lawyer to send a request...) The issue was an "unflattering post", not any sort of forgery or other abuse. The so-called "spam bait" only "conveniently" appeared later when DataBasix was in need of more ammo to use to get the remailer shut down: -> Between the time he first contacted me, and the time I received the -> letter from Belinda Bryan, is when the baiting of databasix addresses -> began (slowly, with just a few posts). Now how would a third party, who was not privy to Gary and Belinda's private dealings with Jeff be able to exploit that timing by initiating the spam baiting at just the "right" time? It was almost as if the abuse appeared right on cue, just in time to bolster the case of DataBasix vs. Huge Cajones. And notice that from Jeff's chronology, the demand by Gary Burnore and Belinda Bryan for Jeff Burchell to turn over his logs to them came BEFORE this alleged "spam baiting" and was based on the unflattering CONTENT of a post, not on any alleged "forgery". None of this can be called speculation. It's a factual, historical account of DataBasix' dealings with Jeff Burchell. Plain and simple, Gary's demand for Jeff's logs was a blatant attempt at censorship through intimidation. IOW, the clear implication was "if you dare to criticize me, I'll hunt you down and you'll be sorry". > Earlier, Anonymous wrote: ``Contrary to your accusations, not all of > Jeff's post was "speculation".'' You took issue with that, in the context > of your disputed attempt to obtain the remailer's logs. > > Well, in this very sizeable post, speculations do, indeed, comprise only a > portion of it. The rest is a detailed narrative of the communications > between the players involved so no, it was not all just a speculation. > > Furthermore, you are disputing the fact that you wanted to obtain the > remailer's logs. I fail to see what facts you have posted which dispute > Jeff Burchell's version of the story. I cannot find the portion that > supposedly supports your claim that you did not seek to violate the > anonymity of the remailer. Burchell accomodated your demands, and put in > place measures that would prevent the alleged abuse from taking place. > Yet, you still demanded the logs. That's precisely my point. And now he refuses to disclose his motives for that demand or what he intended to do with the names and addresses contained in those logs. Every time he's asked the question of why he attempted to violate the privacy of hundreds or perhaps thousands of remailer users, it elicits another tantrum that goes, "Lies! Prove it! Why are you harassing me? What are your demands?" > > Note: I have several more posts like these, if you're interested. > > This one is a fine example of someone (the anonymous asshole, no doubt) > > whining about the "content based censorship" > > because he couldn't spambait us anymore. > > [snip] > > That's fine, but I do not see why this is relevant. It's not relevant. His usage of "anonymous asshole" is apparently generic for anyone who dares to challenge him and who posts anonymously, and is an obvious attempt to demonize all such individuals to divert attention from his own tactics. The whole "spam bait" issue is obviously a smoke screen, since the alleged spam-bait came AFTER the demand for Jeff's logs.

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Re: Whoever thinks the "word" is censored, post the 'word' fool
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore+NOspam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > :My only guess is that the posting person thinks that Replay censors more > :than one word, and that giveing the word away would tell Replay which > :filter to lift. If I had found something like that, I'd pass the info > :around privately to a bunch of friends first, and make sure that I was not > :the only one expereienceing the prob. > > Some have asked him to email it privately as well, seems he's not done that > either. I'm curious -- how would you know whether he's done so or not? I don't recall you making that invitation to him. Do you even accept incoming e-mail from remailers? > :Or, he could just be trolling. :) > > Doubt it. It really sounds like he believes the word is being censored. Maybe it's time for Alex to join this thread and either say "no, we don't filter on any words at the Replay remailer", or else "yes, here's a list of the words we consider to be objectionable, so please omit them from your posts through the Replay remailer". I'm half expecting that his posts aren't showing up either because he's screwed something up in the message to the remailer (like misspelling the word "Newsgroups" in the header, for example), because the posting gateway is flaky, or because some Net Nazi has taken it upon himself to indiscriminately forge cancels to posts he doesn't like. But some definitive word, one way or the other, would go a long way towards clarifying this situation. I see no rational reason for covertly blocking posts based on content. *IF* he didn't want something posted, then an announcement that the Replay remailer rejects posts containing certain words or phrases would make life simpler for all concerned. And to whoever created the subject line for this message, I'm tempted to either post the word "fool", or say that it's a lousy "Mr. T" impression. :)

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free ACM publications
by VaX#n8 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks readers may be interested in the ACM digital library, which is open free to the public until the end of this year, at which it becomes a rather expensive members-only luxury. Many complete articles are available online in PDF format. Reviews and abstracts will remain free. A search for "encryption", "cryptanalysis" or "cryptography" in the title and abstract reveals some interesting papers. As usual, use but don't abuse; I don't want to regret telling everyone about this, particularly since I haven't started reading yet myself. Information wants to be free: http://www.acm.org/dl -- VaX#n8, Junglist

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Smartcard demo canceled
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I won't be able to make it to tomorrow's meeting. Therefore, my smart card demo has been canceled. Sorry about that, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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CDT VTW "aces" launch "bold" new Net-firm, by Brock Meeks
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- http://www.msnbc.com/news/129054.asp Noted Net lobbyists form for-profit firm Two non-profit cyberspace advocates now look to market Internet strategies By Brock Meeks WASHINGTON -- This is a story of defection. Two well-known voices on cyberspace advocacy issues Jonah Seiger of the Center for Democracy and Technology and Shabbir Safdar of Voters Telecommunication Watch said Tuesday they're forming a company specializing in "Internet campaign strategies." Spin doctors for fun and profit. And along they way, they hope to help make the Internet safe for Democracy. [...] The move is a dramatic shift for the two. In four years they have been at the forefront of the most contentious issues in cyberspace. They've created and honed their Internet strategies in the bare-knuckle world of Washington politics with incessant digital lobbying. No more. "We aren't going to be walking around the halls of Congress lobbying on behalf of anybody," Seiger said. IS ANYBODY HERE? The move is bold, even brash. Seiger and Safdar are banking that the Internet is, first, a viable medium for "moving an issue" as they call it and, second, that companies or organizations are going to be willing to pony up money to mount an Internet campaign. On second thought, maybe this is simply blind faith. If this defection is born of blind faith in a nascent medium, then Seiger and Safdar are true disciples. Seizer's own currency inside the Center for Democracy and Technology has been on a steady rise; he routinely is quoted on cyberspace issues. Now he's chucked all that for a start-up that depends on a medium that hasn't yet proven it can sustain a commercially viable site. [...] Whether or not the sound bite plays at the bank and with a host of potential clients, is another matter altogether. If Mindshare is going to be successful, it'll have to have an ace up its digital sleeve. It doesn't. It has two: Seiger and Safdar. ###

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Could a Jim Bell do the same thing?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From a news.com feature: Sometimes, Daufenbach notes, a freshly arrested child pornographer facing a long sentence will agree to let his email account "hum" (continue running), with Customs picking up the traffic. A year ago, Daufenbach assumed the identity behind one such account. A molester and child pornographer (Daufenbach declined to reveal the person's name) began emailing Daufenbach's undercover account and then switched to real-time online chat, one of the biggest challenges for any cyberinvestigator. "A lot of people don't like doing it," says the Customs agent. "You have to think on your feet." Molesters often talk graphically about the children they abuse--and expect the same from their confidants. "If you get nervous and flustered," notes Daufenbach, "you'll blow it."

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