December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: RESULT: comp.org.cauce passes 548:122
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: >> >> >What I _do_ see is that the un-elected "representatives" of CAUCE >> >outlawed anonymous postings in their newsgroup. >> >> To repeat for everyone else - they have done no such thing. >> Anonymous postings are still okay in comp.org.cauce - however, the address >> must point back to a real address. > >If an address points back to a real address, then it's not *ANONYMOUS*, >though. You could always use the Woodwose Remailer--login to the URL above and enter userID woodwose and the password jaguar7. It is a valid return address (the web interfase allows you to send & receive email), but it is not connected with a True Name. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHOcDvVLt662DSXhAQGhIgf+KOYOGSI7QK6nxlZmYk1H0nwiU/e0ep0P feRmkS8du4argvu+wMsEAc388359Oe+SG4zrs+is6ncZ7C/5knZNoCf+TlbsUnBh VLSF/VM0ZCs4eGJXnTOORPYODN0ZqGkxweXfkJX3RU19+1mltuSPxSxBxYBDTQPS t2OMLLTP9ykK7prMRuYS7dxRGm8hzNu9XfXiEom4H9a4S29CQMzDXYG6IDAz3+Ie 64VBw7C1U6kdVyMgIHK9VKhODSwU3r9znb04LIJTwzFJFbHl9KHPogsZs6xA1F9x XhObay2As/y6Hdtdjr5YIsPyuofkPg8dJYLDCoHXoH3FddubN2kF5A== =Ea1B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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The Great Awakening
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Bob Hettinga wrote: >> BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part >> of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the >> Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American >> Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all >> happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines >> and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We >> eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. "THE GREAT AWAKENING "A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as well as his tears) should not be contained." -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 Being a New Englander, Bob should know about the revivalist of Northampton, Massachusetts: Jonathan Edwards. His name is synonymous with the "Great Awakening." As for the religious/ethical awakening that occurred prior to the War between the States, that has generally come to be known as "American Transcendentalism," especially the works of Whitman, Emerson and Thoreau. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMgReFWwZe05jcJAQHPkAgAm8DTBqNnuoEGl9AVKgWIhGf3QEsH9yH3 ZoJL5WsaGlnsykrgBtvb/8qC7LgrGL19fG0rFy0ixytNM+XsenGbqE1QADb8gIbJ CQTC6323s+rqO0/WmUCfsSAEpGifAosDtdn/FZiW0rXXPX18kM/vn4qUNVDmnoXe JptHFzJGj/kCRhGfpzu3y2QpkNZEk4+wSEf4hCHRZTc+ZczB5iMW38zWpk1Mwfuy HdJU3aEORDS5BbJ1CPibxj+yZGj6bvDcnR8oNdzDidvknyaHWluCbrZjmMwaPE7x kkcc8BsXcuKMa7fOxREjH6CLs6Gnicc/idIGIDGLbQcGVGr2jXSRLg== =4OoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Great Awakening (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 20 Nov 1997 02:25:01 -0000 > From: Anonymous <remailer(a)htp.org> > Subject: The Great Awakening > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement > >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name > >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. > > "THE GREAT AWAKENING No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third Great Awakening". You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >the elimination of freedom and privacy. > >It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >become enslaved. Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. Gives new meaning to to phrase "...give me liberty, or give me death." Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJy7eFWwZe05jcJAQHwPwf/c6s/6rWtmsaMIgVrFVqQOsxaSPx8XBnP 0dzZxX6VgMzI3Pi1wztEmw1mcHtQxosyI81mKqlb+TkXV7epxdc0LBYP/sKcMctw jw5hzZnkrEqiH9fyFXIjXPhesuerKk8FRPV8kSa7YH14X/NliXrHiS9mnr9J5E9c xXTO6VRrzERZjeNSG1mwfSdTIK22QVmOLvOFqHgNwREGKH5zGJvxLCokVF3QiswI xbnz4FpQdG5rU6vxXIC/y9Tby32g4DI4i2EQG26Li79/EfoXXWrcx7kiTm3FDUHy VN4lxsjytUV0Qow34pESCnXVkvP7gDlmV4NYC7sLe4E+OUpzpKfpJQ== =XYXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Welcome to Builder buzz!
by buzzreg＠central.cnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that is correct. It is not a 100% ownership. Jack -----Original Message----- From: sameer [SMTP:sameer@c2.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 10:10 AM To: Rich Salz Cc: jk(a)stallion.ee; whgiii(a)invweb.net; cryptography(a)c2.net; cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: export restictions and investments > > Are you really sure that they bought it all? That would go against what I am pretty sure that they have only a 10% stake in Elvis+. -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 President FAX: 510-986-8777 C2Net http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net

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Re: export restictions and investments
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:01 97/11/19 -0800, via RadioMail wrote: > when i left the program, years ago, it was 10%. > > i do not know if something else was done later. > > ----- Original Message > > Date: 20 Nov 97 07:50 +0900 > From: Joichi Ito <jito(a)eccosys.com> > Subject: ELVIS+ > To: Jeff Rulifson <jeffr(a)Eng.Sun.COM> > > Jeff, > > what % share of ELVIS+ does Sun own? > > - Joi -- PGP Key: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2D9461F1 PGP Fingerprint: 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ji.to

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Finger Narcs
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While wandering in the Twilight Zone that lays between sleep and being awake, I caught vague details of the following non-reality substantiated news story: Ontario, in order to combat the Iron Chariotman, Road Rage, has/will institue/d some citizen/government entity named 'Highway Rangers' (?), whose purpose is to arrest/narc-out drivers who 'flip the bird' to their fellow drivers, etc. I find it interesting that, upon awakening, I had neither the desire nor a reason for confirming/not the details of this news story, since, if it is _not_ true, it _could_ be. In short, I doubt that it is now possible to create an inner dream, or nightmare, which is more bizarre than the ludicrousness which is currently serving as our alleged Silver Screen of Reality. Go figure... TruthMonger

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Re: From the Files - Freeh and Flight 800
by Alex Peshevski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have a copy of the CIA (FBI) Video simulation?? >>> John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> 20/11/97 12:09:58 >>> Marc Rotenberg wrote: > >FWIW, Kallstrom spent much of his time at the press >conference this week debunking the missle theory. >The FBI's explanation for why so many eyewitnesses >appeared to see a missile approach the plane boils >down to this: observers, alerted by the explosion, >were actually observing a wing falling away from >the plane. To amplify this a bit: the explanation also included the speculation of cascading fuel being ignited from the bottom and flaming upward, which could be interpreted by the observers as a missile rising. An interesting view which I wonder if any of our scientists here find credible. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall the CIA video showing upward flaming fuel, rather it showed a billowing explosion centered on the main fuel tank of the upturning fuselage (as the front cabin plummeted). Is it feasible that the fuel would ignite and flame upward that way or would it be too broadly dispersed by speed and the atmosphere to cause a coherent, shaped flame such as that of a missile tail? For example, would an adept pilot be able to tell the difference? This is posed because of the way several theories of the OKC blomb blast got it wrong due to overly narrow initial interpretation as did misinterpretations of other controversial "terrorisms." Perhaps Tim May is correct in his assessment of Jim, but NTSC's upcoming hearing should produce more reliable technical information than Kallstrom appears to be comfortable handling -- given his bent for melodrama fine details of investigation seem to be an annoyance, although he appeared to like the assurance of the CIA's virtual reality. Kallstrom also said that the case will remain open, I guess in case Boeing or TWA or something needs to be zapped by blind justice.

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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NetNanny's Gordon Ross on "Censorship and the Internet"
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

================= From: gordonr(a)netnanny.com (GordonR) Reply-To: "gordonR(a)netnanny.com" <gordonR(a)netnanny.com> To: "'Declan McCullagh'" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:46:19 -0800 Organization: Net Nanny Software International Inc. Censorship and the Internet Written by: Gordon A. Ross CEO/President Net nanny Software International Inc. The Internet today provides a total open communication facility for all societies on this planet to communicate with one another. Depending on your political and value judgments, this could be good, bad, allowed or disallowed. I am a firm believer in absolute freedom of speech. However, there are numerous organizations, societies, governments, and countries that determine what freedom of speech is according to their own rules. We are capable of developing technology to allow the individual to determine what information is appropriate or inappropriate according to their own value sets - not mine or those of any single government. But in order for this type of technology to work on a global basis, we must set standards, much like the way early telephone networks had to be set up. Back then, if there weren't certain "signaling" standards set within the telecommunication community, people had to go through time-consuming avenues in order to communicate with different foreign groups. It is logical that the Internet will also evolve with a set of standards, and some of them are already in place, such as TCP/IP, HTML, and PICS (Platform for Internet Content Selection). Because each unique group has a different value set, we must develop a standard that all countries can accept and use that does not infringe on their right to govern according to their own constitutions or laws. PICS is such a standard. It allows for self-imposed ratings according to the standards of the individual, organization or country. If ratings are desired, PICS defines how and where a rating label should appear. Browsers and filtering software can read these standards and make decisions as defined by the owner of these software applications. Personally, I do not believe rating should be forced on any single individual or WEB site, much in the same way I do not believe that I should be told when I can use my telephone if it is my telephone. However, I do have concerns about third-party rating systems. There are so many important questions we have to ask: Who is doing the rating? What are their qualifications? Who determines the criteria? How does the system get implemented? With the Internet's massive daily changes, how is content validated? And, more importantly, who validates the content? How would rating work, if it could work at all? There are 60 million-plus pages on the WEB and it takes about one minute per page to rate. To rate every existing WEB page today, it would take about 60 million minutes - or one million hours - or over 114 years. Using 114 people working 24 hours a day, the job would take a full year. But the bad news is that as soon as everything was rated, the process would have to start all over again, because within a year the WEB would change drastically. Even day-to-day changes would be difficult to track. That's why a self-rating system would be the most cost-effective solution - as well as the most politically correct. I would be very concerned if mandatory rating is enforced. We are fortunate to live in a society that allows us the civil liberties that we currently enjoy. No single jurisdiction can - or should - govern the Internet. And technology will always evolve in order to get around this type of government control. There is simply too much content for any single entity to monitor at this time. Many people feel there should be no rating or controls legislated for the Internet. Legislation already exists to enforce proper conduct within a country's Internet access. Technology developed by industry will allow individuals the control they want according to their own personal values. The masses should be educated as to emerging technologies that will offer them choices - and how these technologies can be used safely. Once people understand how the technology can prevent problems, the divisive issues currently facing us will become moot. Today, we function in a global community, and we can no longer isolate ourselves thinking we can "go it alone." The Internet opens up worldwide communications channels. We can discover or share any information at any time from any source, if we so choose. We must strive to preserve the open communication and the free exchange of ideas, while at the same time protect our children when we as individuals feel it is necessary. Technology companies can and will provide the tools for us to accomplish both free speech on the Internet - and protection for our families. The Internet can be a truly wonderful resource for the entire world to share. Approximately 95% of it is, in fact, good. Up until now, we have done a great job of informing the general population of the negatives inherent in a tool like the WEB. But now it's time to educate people about the positive aspects of the Internet, especially as it becomes their major communication facility in the future. What it comes down to is, a simple matter of choice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Gordon Ross CEO/President Net Nanny Software International Inc. Suite 108 - 525 Seymour Street Vancouver, B.C. V6B 3H7 Tel: (604) 662-8522 E-mail: gordonR(a)netnanny.com

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Re: Fairy Gold
by Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid >regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements >even of established identities on faith. > >The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration >of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a >particular post in a greater context. > >There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the >mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. We should remember that -- at least here in America and the rest of the so-called first world -- we live in the age of the sound bite where the "medium is the message." Public opinion is manipulated by the puppetmasters who pull the emotional strings of John and Jane Q. Public sitting in front of the TV each night. Witness how anyone who has watched a video on Waco is quickly being lumped into the category of an anti-government extremist (Terry Nichols had two copies of "Waco Under Siege" in his house). The underlying message is, "don't consider any of the facts that the video viewer presents to you, just realize he/she is an extremist." Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? Come on. A single sound bite on its own will do nothing, but a persistent group of sound bites presented over time with a recurring message can create a great amount of influence. This is how public opinion is formed through mass media channels. But think about this: who is the author of these mass media sound bites? Can you name the person? It's easy to say that it's the feds, the ZOG, the NWO crew...but you can't name an individual can you? Why is that? Seriously, think about this question. It has a lot to do with a major cypherpunk theme: anonymity. But in this case, with hardly any conscious responsibility. Nerthus P.S. Notice how my response becomes "negated" by Monty's previous response when you read the first 6 lines of text in order: " >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If that were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. " Think how easily Monty's "response" could be used against me if the quoted text marks (>) were removed. Truths are easily twisted into lies by those who seek advantage from such actions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJoHOFWwZe05jcJAQG60gf9Gkn96xtwHQ6CP3gcXGTTjgb42GMWXG6G YvlDlu+MehW61hR+i8NeqM6Y/z1nFJuFZhOJmAVlps2ud6r6PoGBqFF0HOiNQjyz 3pwuB5v2y31rxHKJDLloWjv+fLrX8sapQbOwELbmR3DxwiYxiZJfhNHz8T+gQOw5 4Ri550IzqMpGCHLeU03GdnZOiCu17QRUOHuP2qnNHSUAcTp28fQbUBUdivVPsr+1 PZ1XfwCLKhSdQjDCIhRNukM9+ep675+l5FtEZGjx6UOsBRlpZmXz/6I2Z/S9c0Tr nrmOhPBSS1MQDDe2vCkOhiNmcBT2LbAa5cSEL07sswLU0/lFMRj6Jw== =uO0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:20:27 -0700 > From: Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service <mix(a)magusnet.com> > Subject: Re: Fairy Gold > Monty Cantsin wrote: > >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: > >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. > >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. > > If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real > name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make > your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. No, it only proves Monty doesn't believe what he says. > Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as > Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. > administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the > media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of > the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left > and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact > and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? > Come on. To hell with gassing them, the issue is the bar-b-que that occurred after. Something like 18 children were murdered and the US government and the then Texas (bitch) govenor Ann Richards were complicent in the nefarious deed. Someday she and every agent that participated will stand before a jury, unfortunately the odds are it will be the jury of history and not their peers. Why were those kids deprived of the modern conveniences? Clearly the answer "David and his followers wouldn't surrender" doesn't hold water. Those kids deserve NO punishment for actions others *may* have committed, they were a victim - whether of David or the actions of the gov. reps. is irrellevant. Those people were given a public trust, they not only abused it but failed miserably in its resolution. They must pay the price. Saying "I was following orders" has no place in a democratic society anywhere; the individual MUST be held accountable for their actions and they should not be able to shirk that responsibility nor pass it off to some 3rd party. Further, irrispective of their job or position in society or the government the responsibilities AND rights of the individual must not be infringed AND must take predidence over all other duties or responsibilties. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Censorware Summit agenda (December 1-3)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Note civil liberties and journalism groups are absent from the list of organizations represented. --Declan] =========== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Sydney Rubin, 301/654-5991 Malena Hougen, 202/828-9730 INTERNET/ONLINE SUMMIT: FOCUS ON CHILDREN RELEASES AGENDA FOR MEETING, DECEMBER 1-3 WASHINGTON, D.C. - Organizers of the Internet/Online Summit: Focus on Children today released an agenda for the historic three-day meeting of public interest and family advocates, educators, industry leaders and law enforcement officials joining forces to find ways to enhance the safety and education of children in cyberspace. The meeting is the first time so many diverse organizations have come together to address safety and content issues related to children and the new mass medium. The Summit is the first in a series of discussions on issues affecting children in cyberspace, including advertising, access, privacy, and marketing and content. The first meeting will focus on content and safety. The December 1-3 Summit will include speakers, panels, announcements of initiatives taken by the Summit and its participants, and a small exhibition of technological tools and educational resources available to help parents manage children's time on-line. Panelists will be announced prior to the Summit. The Summit Agenda, which is subject to change, follows: MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 5 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Registration and Opening Reception adjacent to technological tools kiosks TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 7:30 a.m. - 6 p.m. Breakfast Call to Order Speaker (Vice President Al Gore invited to speak) Presentation on Good Content with the Public Broadcasting System and others Framing the Issues: speaker Lois Jean White, President of the National PTA Panel in Framing the Issues Panel in "Safety" Luncheon Speakers: Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Secretary of Commerce William M. Daley Presentation on Law Enforcement On-Line: Attorney General Janet Reno and panelists Presentation on Public Education: Secretary Richard W. Riley and panelists Presentation on the Technology Tool Kit Panel on Filtering and Ratings WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 8:30 a.m. - noon Breakfast Review of Previous Day: Christine Varney, Chairperson of the Summit Congressional Roundtable with Summit Participants Kids Panel Moderated by Linda Ellerbee Conclusion All activities will take place at the Renaissance Washington, D.C. Hotel at 999 Ninth Street, N.W. Registration to attend the Summit must be done through the Summit's Web site: www.kidsonline.org. Separate registration forms are available at the site for journalists and the public, as well as other information as it become available. A partial list of the organizations sponsoring the Summit includes: AT&T America Online American Library Association Center for Democracy and Technology Center for Media Education Children Now The Children's Partnership CompuServe The Direct Marketing Association Disney Online Digital Equipment/Alta Vista Enough is Enough Family Education Company IBM Interactive Services Association The Learning Company/Cyber Patrol Microsoft Corporation MCI Communication Corporation NETCOM Net Nanny National Association of Secondary School Principals National Center for Missing & Exploited Children National Consumers League National Education Association National Law Center Surfwatch Time Warner # # #

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Re: AT&T Research "Crowds" -- Perl web anonymity proxy -- needs users
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yeah, that license agreement was forced on us. We were grateful they let us give away all the source code. > From gnu(a)toad.com Wed Nov 19 00:32:10 1997 > Delivery-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:32:11 -0500 > Return-Path: gnu(a)toad.com > Received: from research.att.com (research-clone.research.att.com [135.207.30.100]) > by amontillado.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA27270 > for <rubin(a)issr.research.att.com>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:32:09 -0500 (EST) > Received: from toad.com ([140.174.2.1]) by research-clone; Wed Nov 19 00:30:14 EST 1997 > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02158; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199711190530.VAA02158(a)toad.com> > X-Authentication-Warning: toad.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, rubin(a)research.att.com, gnu(a)toad.com > Subject: AT&T Research "Crowds" -- Perl web anonymity proxy -- needs users > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:30:05 -0800 > From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> > Status: R > > It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you > get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting. > > John > > From: Avi Rubin <rubin(a)research.att.com> > > John, > > You may remember that at Crypto, I described the Crowds system to you. > The system is now robust and up and running, and we have ported it to > windows and unix platforms, so just about anyone should be able to use > it. In fact, if there is such a thing as Perl for macintosh, I'm sure > it would work on that platform too. > > We are very interested in getting more users of our system. As it is > intended to provide privacy to web users, I thought that perhaps it is > something that you and EFF would be interested in. Do you think you > could put a link to the Crowds page on the EFF web site? Anything > else you can do to help increase the usage would be great, because our > system has the property that the more poeple use it, the more secure > it is. Let me know if you have any questions. > > The Crowds page is: http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds > > Thanks, > Avi > > -- > > ********************************************************************* > Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com > Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU > AT&T Labs - Research > 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ > Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 > USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809 > > --> Check out http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ for a new > book on web security (The Web Security Sourcebook). > ********************************************************************* >

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Another blast from the past
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Another "blast from the past." Here Bob talks about showing up in Denver for the visit by several heads of state, to stage some "street theater." Odd that he suddenly gets so offended when I say a judge has committed a capital crime. Perhaps he's just more scared now than before. Or perhaps he's having second thoughts about things. Or maybe he's had his visit. The simplest solution is the likeliest: OTR. --Tim May At 7:40 AM -0700 6/6/97, Robert Hettinga wrote: >At 8:19 am -0400 on 6/6/97, John Young wrote: > > >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: >> >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... > >Anyone up for a little road-trip? > >Yeah, I know. Everyone *else* has a *job*, or something... :-). No, I don't have a job. But there's no way in hell I'm going to expose myself to imprisonment in a German jail to make some metaphorical point about the resurgence of fascism in Germany. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner rule POLL: YOUNG ADULTS WANT BETTER GOVERNMENT graphic November 19, 1997 Web posted at: 10:57 p.m. EST (0357 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Most young adults don't necessarily want to reduce government's role in America but want it to do a better job, according to a new poll. As for themselves, however, they see their future not in government work but in private business. The survey by pollsters Peter Hart and Robert Teeter was released Wednesday at the kickoff of a project by corporations and nonprofit groups to increase public trust in government. In the poll, 40 percent of respondents said government can help them achieve their goals in life, compared with the 48 percent who said government programs and policies are a hindrance. But a large majority, 71 percent, answered that government could help with better leadership and management, and 60 percent would prefer improving the government over simply reducing its size and power. On working in government themselves, 66 percent said a career in the private sector is more appealing. The telephone survey of 505 Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 was conducted October 29 and 30. The margin of error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related site: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * Council for Excellence in Government homepage External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Fairy Gold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid >regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements >even of established identities on faith. > >The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration >of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a >particular post in a greater context. > >There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the >mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. We should remember that -- at least here in America and the rest of the so-called first world -- we live in the age of the sound bite where the "medium is the message." Public opinion is manipulated by the puppetmasters who pull the emotional strings of John and Jane Q. Public sitting in front of the TV each night. Witness how anyone who has watched a video on Waco is quickly being lumped into the category of an anti-government extremist (Terry Nichols had two copies of "Waco Under Siege" in his house). The underlying message is, "don't consider any of the facts that the video viewer presents to you, just realize he/she is an extremist." Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? Come on. A single sound bite on its own will do nothing, but a persistent group of sound bites presented over time with a recurring message can create a great amount of influence. This is how public opinion is formed through mass media channels. But think about this: who is the author of these mass media sound bites? Can you name the person? It's easy to say that it's the feds, the ZOG, the NWO crew...but you can't name an individual can you? Why is that? Seriously, think about this question. It has a lot to do with a major cypherpunk theme: anonymity. But in this case, with hardly any conscious responsibility. Nerthus P.S. Notice how my response becomes "negated" by Monty's previous response when you read the first 6 lines of text in order: " >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If that were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. " Think how easily Monty's "response" could be used against me if the quoted text marks (>) were removed. Truths are easily twisted into lies by those who seek advantage from such actions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJoHOFWwZe05jcJAQG60gf9Gkn96xtwHQ6CP3gcXGTTjgb42GMWXG6G YvlDlu+MehW61hR+i8NeqM6Y/z1nFJuFZhOJmAVlps2ud6r6PoGBqFF0HOiNQjyz 3pwuB5v2y31rxHKJDLloWjv+fLrX8sapQbOwELbmR3DxwiYxiZJfhNHz8T+gQOw5 4Ri550IzqMpGCHLeU03GdnZOiCu17QRUOHuP2qnNHSUAcTp28fQbUBUdivVPsr+1 PZ1XfwCLKhSdQjDCIhRNukM9+ep675+l5FtEZGjx6UOsBRlpZmXz/6I2Z/S9c0Tr nrmOhPBSS1MQDDe2vCkOhiNmcBT2LbAa5cSEL07sswLU0/lFMRj6Jw== =uO0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Traffic Analysis Tip #3207
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TIP #3207: Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) When performing traffic analysis and/or stylometry for the purpose of discerning the sometimes subtle differences between genuine mental imbalance and affectation of the same by boilerplate government and/or corporate shills, one needs to take into account the possible role that 'Seasonal Affective Disorder,' (SAD), may play in emotive attacks on the target, be it a group or a particular subject. The onset of SAD can often be recognized by the correlation between increasingly emotional attacks and specifically monitorable elements of seasonal changes, such as the decreasing amount of light in the northern and southern climes as winter advances. Examples of this can be easily charted using posts originating from ISP's such as sympatico.ca. The data can then be compared to that garnered through an analysis of Hettinga's posts, showing that the latter are goal-oriented emotive attacks designed to provide identity- associated confirmation/support of the current round of anonymous posts aimed at denigrating the cypherpunks mailing list by associating it directly, in the minds of others, with one or two individuals/targets on the list. Note that although SAD can aggravate existing conditions, such as OCD (Obssesive-Compulsive Disorder), it does not change the basic traits of those conditions. The excessive diatribes of Choate, for instance, upon having a few lines of one of his posts changed/misquoted by Toto/TruthMonger, were shown by analysis to have been easily deflected by others into a more generalized attack/defense-of-his-position. While Hettinga's current attack might easily be confused with an identity-fixation focus of the same general form of OCD, closer analysis would show that his posts continually return to goal- oriented repetitive misstatements aimed toward linking the individual to a specifically designed mind-construct being advanced by the para//el anonymous posts. Likewise, the effect of Seasonal Affective Disorder on those afflicted with a wider variety of interconnected dysfuntionalities, such as the ADHD/Tourette/OCD/Schizoid tendencies of TruthMonger #1, is to merely increase the volatility of already existing conditions. Analysis of the known posts of #1, under a variety of personas and anonymous list offerings, shows the same wide set of dysfunctional anomalies working at cross-purposes on a broad spectrum of issues. One of the keys to differentiating these posts from those produced by boilerroom spook operations is recognizing the existence of multiple underlying signs of a broader range of diagnosic criterion than is present in a willful affectation of dysfunctional conditions designed to elicit para//el emotive reactions in other subscribers to the mailing list. The effect/influence of SAD has been shown in the past to be much greater during high levels of El Nino activity. TAT#3207/coe

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Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Forwarded with permission, first few grafs deleted by request. --Declan] Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Margarita Lacabe <marga(a)derechos.org> Subject: UN Conference [The lineup from the conference] -Debra Guzman, a long-time american human rights activist, gave a general appreciation of hate sites online. She said that it was very difficult to find them and unlikely that one would stumble on them. -Teresa Peters, another american from the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development Information Computer and Communications Policy Committee talked about a study that her organization had made about regulating speech on the internet, and about the problems this lead to. I think the study is not public, and she did not go much beyond what the study concluded. I didn't take good notes on her speech, however :-( -Philip Reitinger, a prosecutor with the US DOJ, summarize US free speech legislation and made clear that hate web sites are protected under US law. He also addressed the likely constitutional protections of anonimity, but left open the question of whether the US could cooperate with other countries in investigating people who violate speech laws abroad. -Timothy Jenkins, who as far as I can tell is mostly a consultant and someone who is trying to get the black leadership interested in the internet, talked about how the real problem here was that internet access is disproportionatelly held by white (males?) in the US and Europe, and how the lack of access to computers might be a form of racial discrimination. He did not agree with censorship of web sites BUT he introduced the issue of anonimity, being for restricting anonimity so as to be able to tell who the authors of racist speech were (this was followed by a strong denunciation by the US delegate and yours truely) -ERic Lee, from the Commercial Internet eXchange, an association of ISPs talked about why ISPs shouldn't be held responsible for content and also gave a good explanation of how the internet works. -Agha Shahi, a member of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, gave a forceful opinion on how the Convention applies online and how countries must criminalize hate speech online. -Rudiger Dossow, from the Council of Europe, talked about what the Council has been thinking about the issue and warned about potential pitfalls. -Maya Sooka, from Sangonet in SA, questioned the code of conduct idea that had been proposed several times - Anthony M. Rutkowski, now from Magic, talked about how the internet works, how impossible it is to regulate it, and how it should not be regulated differently from other media. At some point there was a presentation by the Simon Wiesenthal center on hate sites online, and another by the ITU, which I did not quite understand, about how hundreds of satellites are being launched. In addition to the experts, the conference had representatives from some UN and Int'l bodies, including the department of public information, the OHCHR, the ITU, the Internet Society and others who remained mostly silent. There were representatives from several countries, including the US, Sweeden, Germany, France and Cuba. Most representatives were embassy people, but those from Sweeden, france and germany were from different ministries in their countries. These three representatives who were among the most vocal in the conference seemed to be the only ones who were actually aware of the legal issues concerned, as well as to what the internet is :-) The NGOs were badly represented, there was no one from the groups that watch hate speech online (except for the brief appearance of the guy from the simon Wiesenthal center). In addition to the three of us, article 19 - the free speech organization - in England was represented, there was a guy from the World Jewish Conference who was there half the time, a couple of people from this organization for adult education, a professor from the Universtiy of Geneva who spoke a few times, and some assorted people from Geneva based groups who were mostly silent. There was also a guy from Indigienous World Association who missunderstood pretty much everything said, but was very passionate. (to be continued) Margarita Lacabe - Derechos - marga(a)derechos.org - http://www.derechos.org ____________________________________________________________________________ The governors as well as the governed are bound by the law and by the established system of making, changing and interpreting the law AKA The Rule of Law

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Bob Hettinga wrote: >> BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part >> of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the >> Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American >> Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all >> happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines >> and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We >> eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. "THE GREAT AWAKENING "A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as well as his tears) should not be contained." -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 Being a New Englander, Bob should know about the revivalist of Northampton, Massachusetts: Jonathan Edwards. His name is synonymous with the "Great Awakening." As for the religious/ethical awakening that occurred prior to the War between the States, that has generally come to be known as "American Transcendentalism," especially the works of Whitman, Emerson and Thoreau. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMgReFWwZe05jcJAQHPkAgAm8DTBqNnuoEGl9AVKgWIhGf3QEsH9yH3 ZoJL5WsaGlnsykrgBtvb/8qC7LgrGL19fG0rFy0ixytNM+XsenGbqE1QADb8gIbJ CQTC6323s+rqO0/WmUCfsSAEpGifAosDtdn/FZiW0rXXPX18kM/vn4qUNVDmnoXe JptHFzJGj/kCRhGfpzu3y2QpkNZEk4+wSEf4hCHRZTc+ZczB5iMW38zWpk1Mwfuy HdJU3aEORDS5BbJ1CPibxj+yZGj6bvDcnR8oNdzDidvknyaHWluCbrZjmMwaPE7x kkcc8BsXcuKMa7fOxREjH6CLs6Gnicc/idIGIDGLbQcGVGr2jXSRLg== =4OoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Censorware Summit II (December 1-3)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Note government criminal and pacifist groups are absent from the list of organizations represented. --Defcon] =========== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Anonymous INTERNET/ONLINE SUMMIT: FOCUS ON FASCISTS RELEASES AGENDA FOR MEETING, DECEMBER 1-3 WASHINGTON, D.C.-Organizers of the Internet/Online Summit: Focus on Fascists today released an agenda for the historic three-day meeting of free speech and freedom advocates, marksmen, guerilla leaders and Constitution enforcement officials joining forces to find ways to enhance the safety and freedom of citizens in cyberspace. The meeting is the first time so many diverse organizations have come together to address freedom and content issues related to citizens and the established mass medium which has operated exceedingly well without government interference. The Summit is the first in a series of discussions on issues affecting free citizens in cyberspace, including advertising, access, privacy, and marketing and content. The first meeting will focus on fascism and safety. The December 1-3 Summit will include speakers, panels, announcements of initiatives taken by the Summit and its participants, and a small exhibition of technological tools and commonly available munitions to help citizens manage a censor's time off-line. Panelists will be anonymous prior to the Summit. The Summit Agenda, which is subject to armed intervention, follows: MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 5 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Registration and Opening Reception adjacent to technological tools weapons caches. TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 7:30 a.m. - 6 p.m. K-rations Call to Arms Target Practice (Vice President Al Gore invited to pose) Presentation on Fascist-approved Content with the Propaganda Broadcasting System and others Framing the Targets: targets Lois Jean White, President of the National PTA Panel in Framing the Targets Panel in "Release the Safety" Luncheon Targets: Target of the Month Newt Gingrich, Godfather of Government Theft William M. Daley Presentation on Fascist Oppression On-Line: Attorney General Janet Reno and small, moving-duck panelists Presentation on Public Propaganda: Secretary Richard W. Riley and affirmatively-nodding panelists Presentation on the Technology Munitions Kit Panel on Censoring and Blocking WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 8:30 a.m. - noon K-rations Review of Previous Reichs: Christine Varney, Chairperson of the Summit Bavarian Roundtable with Summit Shills Kids Panel Molested by Moral Majority Leaders Armageddon All activities will take place at a site overlooking the Renaissance Washington, D.C. Hotel at 666 Sixth Street, N.W. Registration to attend the Summit must be done through the Summit's Web site: www.hotnastykidsonline.orgy. Separate registration forms are available at the site for reportwhores and the pubic, as well as other target information as it become available. A partial list of the organizations sponsoring the Summit includes: Anonymous Arms Dealers Anonymous Paramilitarists Anonymous Freedom Fighters Anonyous Americans Anonymous Libertarians Anonymous Ninjas Anonyous Assholes Anonymous Average Citizens Anonymous Citizens Living In Fear Of Their Government Anonymous Secret Government Organizations Anonymous BATF Agents of Oklahoma Anonyous Mind-Controlled Dupes of the New World Order Tim C. May # # #

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At least it's not meat...
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>What are your grounds for restricting the rights of your neighbors to >>contract with Mexicans or whoever else they care to? Buy, sell, hire, >>rent, etc. > >When you have +1,000,000 Mexicans comming across the boarder a year that >is called an Invasion. When the Federal Government refuses to defend the >boarders and forces the citizens of the states to aid in this invasion >this is called Treason. And when you get this sort of claptrap it is called bigottry. If you really believed all that pseudo-Libertarian crap you write you would understand that national government is no more legitimate than trans national. Why should there be artificial, government imposed controls on labour? Let the free market decide. Phill

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