December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >of it). In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed across the border. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:33 PM 11/18/97 +0100, Peter Herngaard wrote: >Does the First Amendment prevent the Congress from passing >a law that would make it illegal for anyone who is outside the United >States to set up a web site in the U. S. in violation of a local speechcode? >For example, a German nazi organization could establish a WWW site in >California out of reach of German law. It is not against US law to claim to be or to be a Nazi so the action is legal in the US. >Would it be constitutional to make a law barring foreign citizens from >violating the speech codes of their home countries using a U. S. ISP? The US currently has laws governing foreign ownership of publications in the US. Ted Turner had to become a citizen. Don't remember the details but precedent for publications not intended primarily for US consumption. (A CNN of the future will be an interesting question.) At least by international custom, a person another country is bound by the laws of the country is in. Doing business in the US is bound by the laws of the US. A non-US citizen setting up a website in the US receives the same protections as anyone else doing business in the US. This is a principle of international commerce. As a matter of diplomacy, international conventions, such a law would not be passed. The larger issue is it would incorporate the foreign law into US law and in consequence case law stemming from it. At the moment, on more important issues like taxes, because there is no common tax law, even extradition for tax law violations is not possible. As to the constitutionality of it, strict reading says no. It is difficult to conceive that original intent would have meant Congress could have passed laws prohibiting speaking ill of the King of England. As to the ISP situation. The US has held that if you call for it, it can not be regulated. Dial 1-900-sex4all can not be subject to federal law. The internet is at worst a 900 number by analogy. It can not be legislated against only regulated as to the mechanics of charging and transactions, not content. A lot of words but from what has gone before, no both constitutionally and diplomatically and as a matter of economic policy. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:22 PM 11/18/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >[Forwarded with permission, first few grafs deleted by request. --Declan] > >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) >From: Margarita Lacabe <marga(a)derechos.org> >Subject: UN Conference > >[The lineup from the conference] Without reviewing the list, these are all people from NGOs, non-governmental organizations. They speak for no one but their organizations if then. These people are no more representative of what they might claim than is David Duke or Simon Wiesenthal. Rather where it the public outrage at UN money being wasted on giving self-important assholes a platform to promote their agendas? -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:35 PM 11/18/97 -0800, Lizard wrote: >At 05:22 PM 11/18/97 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>[Forwarded with permission, first few grafs deleted by request. --Declan] >> >>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) >>From: Margarita Lacabe <marga(a)derechos.org> >>Subject: UN Conference >> ><Much deleted> >> There was also a guy from Indigienous World Association who >>missunderstood pretty much everything said, but was very passionate. > >Well, if that isn't a summary of 99% of non-netizens, I don't know what is... And 98% of netizens. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Stylometry
by Randall Farmer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here (here being at the bottom of the message :) is the code for the stylometry program. Note that I specified that the stylometry also involved a calculator -- that's because the shell script only processes your data to get the numbers you need out; the tough part is still up to you. After it runs, you have A. a file, ./counts, containing wordcounts like so. (The first line is the ever-present quirk, which occurs because I have yet to master sed.) 1689 550 THE 344 AND 316 TO ... and B. Output to the screen, like so: [wc/uwc] 1738 12561 77775 <-- Lines/words/bytes for the original file 2557 5113 31226 <-- First part is the number of *different* words used in the document, ignore the rest. [word counts] <-- A juicy excerpt from the counts file 550 THE 344 AND 316 TO 271 A 195 OF [punc frequency: comma/period/hyphen/quote/semi] 584 <-- Number of commas 1536 <-- Periods 79 <-- Dashes 315 <-- Double-quote marks 10 <-- Semicolons [and/or/but as sentence-splitters] 24 <-- Occurrences of "and," (including comma -- that's the point) 12 <-- "or," 7 <-- "but," There are too many things you can calculate from this output for me to enumerate (although the ratios of words to periods, commas, semicolons, and conjunctions as sentence splitters are rather useful...compare two or three of a known author's documents to find his/her characteristics, then compare that to your unknown and see if you've got a match). [Note that the whole sed mess is supposed to be one line] #!/bin/sh # prep: Prepares a text for analysis sed "y/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/;s/[^A-Z']/ /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;s/ / /g;y/ /\n/;"<$1|sort|uniq -c|sort -rn>./counts echo [wc/uwc] wc<$1 wc<./counts echo [word counts] grep -wie "the" -e "and" -e "to" -e "a" -e "of" < counts echo [punc frequency: comma/period/hyphen/quote/semi] grep -c ","<$1 grep -c "."<$1 grep -c "-"<$1 grep -c \"<$1 grep -c "\;"<$1 echo [and/or/but as sentence-splitters] grep -c "and,"<$1 grep -c "or,"<$1 grep -c "but,"<$1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randall Farmer rfarmer(a)hiwaay.net http://hiwaay.net/~rfarmer

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Re: export restictions and investments
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto >companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest >money into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in >Europe? We got an official legal opinion, which was that wholly-owned subsidiaries of US entities are subject to US regulations in this area. >Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company Are you really sure that they bought it all? That would go against what we had been told, and I have a great deal of respect for the legal/crypto expertise of "Barry an Jay" at the Washington, DC, law office of Hale & Dorr. /r$

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) > > > Is your claim that there was a > > second Great Awakending or are you saying the traditional (if you will) > > dating is incorrect? > > I'm saying that I think you're confusing the Renaissance with the Great > Awakening. :-). Hardly, the Renaissance started toward the beginning of the 1400's (eg Galileo) and ended by the end of the 1500's (eg Newton). Did you know that Galileo died the same year that Newton was born? Some contemporary of Newton made the comment that the world could support no more than 1 such intellect at a time. > BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part > of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the > Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American > Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all > happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines > and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We > eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. In thinking about this it occurs to me that immediately after each such occurance of a 'Great Awakening' there is a war of global (or at least what passes for the know world) proportions. Fortunately I can lay claim to being either the last of the baby boomers or the first of the gen-x'ers depending on whose definition you use. Personaly, I consider the labels spin-doctorisms intended to focus folks on the differences instead of the similarities. > > > that Vlad Dracul, the Impaler, was Transylvanian > > > > Actualy, to be accurate his name was Vlad Teppish. He was eventualy killed by > > his lord for carrying on excesses such as killing a woman because she let her > > husband walk around with a tattered coat. Dracul and Dracula are derived > > from dragon and imply a connection with the devil (which also derives its > > own existance from this lexical tree). > > Okay. I have to go back and look now, I woudldn't be surprised if you're > right. Anyway, there were two Transylanian nobelmen, father and son, and > one, the impaler was, among other things, called Vlad, son of Dracul, > which, I think, gets you Dracula, but I'm not sure. The Teppish part sounds > like it's more right, now that you mention it. Maybe we're looking at Vlad > Dracul the father, and Vlad Tepish, Dracula, (son of Dracul)? Oh, well, as > I said in my rant, the cost of error is bandwidth. :-). Someone here > probably has all the, um, gory details... Actualy 'dracul' is a word that means devil, it has the same roots as 'dragon'. Neither father or son used that in their name, it's what others called Vlad when they weren't calling him the Impaler. > > That doesn't change the fact that the opinion, anonymous or not, originated > > from a single source. > > I think I could argue for multiple simultaneous sources of the same opinion > pretty successfully. :-). Yes, but each of those were individuals. Opinions are tied to individuality and not geography or chronological ordering. What you actualy have is a group of individual opinions that once the observer is aware of the set then forms their own opinion of what the original opinions meant. > > While I can accept that testable facts can be isolated > > from source biases it escapes me how an opinion can be so isolated. > > I think this sums up Socrates' "Right Opinion" statement pretty well. Have > you read Plato, by chance? ;-). Folks later called this the Mind/Body > problem. How do we know what we think in here is what we see out there, > etc. Big problem in philosophy. Science solves it to most people's > understanding of it. Or mine, anyway. A better and more fundamental question: How do we know what we think is what we think? If you can't demonstrate this then you have no way of demonstrating there is even an 'out there' to see. The point that always seemed clear to me is that there is an implicit assumption with the whole mind/body question, in short; there is more to reality than what we experience. Therefore our experience of reality is fundamentaly different than reality. A further problem I see is that the implied assumption that the observer is seperate and isolated from that being observed. > I said later on in the rant that when we got to > science, that that was better. With science, we got as close to "truth" as > we're ever going to get, asymptotically closer, but not to truth itself. You are using a fundamentaly different science than I use. At no time does science assume there is a truth, only interactions that can be manipulated and are simple enough in their core interactions for us to understand. > Science gives a way to keep getting *closer*... Science is nothing more than a methodology for asking questions that fit particular and well defined forms. At the core of this is a basic assumption about nature, it is homogenous and isomorphic. > > Perhaps opinion & fact are unwittingly being confused. Opinions tell the > > observer about the holder of the opinion, not the subject the opinion is > > direct toward. > > Maybe, but remember my smart crack about hueristics. It's all we've got, in > any practical sense. Please be so kind why heuristics is the only thing we got? Seems to me that serendipity has raised its head more than once. As I understand heuristic algorithms (ie rule base) is that they pre-suppose a system for goal meeting and then go through a itterative process comparing the current position with the goal and then reducing that distance. > We can't just go around testing every opinion we hear, > more than once, anyway, :-), and, frankly, most of us just take other > people's word for things, especially if we respect their reputation. :-). Ah, but there is a rub here. Respect is an opinion. > Remember the story about Gauss, who, in the middle of some guy's > announcement that he'd discovered the normal distribution(?), said > hueristic: Gauss is usually right, so he must be right here, too. (An > appeal to authority, for you informal fallacy counters out there... :-).) Yeah, he did this several times. He nearly caused Bolya to quit mathematics. He made many such claims through his life, quite a few of them were never born out when his papers were examined after his death, though quite a few of them were as well. He also told his son to ask his wife to wait a moment to die while he finished his cyphers (calculations). > Well, actually, it's more about how to make replicable results, I'd say. > The "how to ask questions" might come from a theory (brought about by > observing reality with replicable results), and the creativity of the > questioner. If you don't know how to ask a question in a scientific manner you can't test it. Science itself doesn't say anything about the results directly other than they are homogenous and isomorphic, the observer does however when we examine the goals and reasons for the experiment in the first place. To observe nature requires a fundamentaly different methodolgy than 'commen sense' observation. Further, the realization that there are processes in nature that are fundamentaly un-repeatable is what forced the creation of statistics and the study of families of events. > > Science is a non-intuitive mechanism whereby we can regulate how > > we think about the world around us. > > And, my understanding is that at the core of that is the replicability of > experiment. And the predictivity of theory, of course. Replication of experiments comes from a base assumption in science (which unlike other axiomatic systems are open to refutation) that nature is fundamentaly homogenous and isomorphic, in other words the rules of nature are the same irrespective of geography. Should we find such a non-homogenous or non-isomorphism in nature then the fundamental reliance on science as we impliment it now would be shown wrong. The flip side to this is that if the universe turns out to be so arranged then we have in effect a non-relativistic frame of reference because we have now proven by exception that a given point or particle in the universe is truly unique and identifiable through some mechanism. > > What to do with the results is engineering. > > How to make the results *profitable* is what engineering is... ;-). No, that is business management. At no point in an engineering study is the issue of cost v price examined. Study Nikola Tesla to understand why your statement is fallacious. > > Never confuse popularity with influence. > > Well, since I don't know how to define one in terms of the other, I won't. > How's that? Popularity means that the issue is well known, influence is that people use it as a reason for their actions. > Still, I think the idea of opinion/influence/reputation/identity as linked > this way allows you to think about it better. > > Or at least it helped *me* think about it better, anyway. I agree that they are linked. I don't think that in the grand scheme of getting through life they are nearly as important as some would have us believe. I personaly am more interested in the fundamental question of whether the meme or paradigm works in the sense of providing me the return on my resource investment that I intended. I guess a simpler way to put it is that intellectual capital should not be avaluated by the same methodology we use to select books or movies to buy. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Jeffery Dahlmer Finds Work!
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* United Hospital in St. Paul, Minn., announced in May that it was looking for someone to take over curating its collection of more than 14,000 human hearts, each stored in a plastic bag and the collection featuring specimens of nearly every kind of heart disease. Dr. Jesse Edwards, who started the collection and is now 85 years old, is retiring, and says maintenance of the hearts by a staff of five costs $650,000 a year.

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Nobuki Nakatuji
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobuki Nakatuji, though lesser known, is like Monty Cantsin and Luther Blissett, well-burnished pseudonyms used by wads of artistes who believe them to be more artful than hoary Anonymous. Globalists are producing variations of nom-de-plumes to scribe a message to the clued - duh, in Imperialist Yanklish. Reputation capital and persistent identity convince only the duh-speakers who believe insider secrets, insider lies of hot IPOs, and MISTY/RSA chips ostensibly made in JP and NDA-ed to the gullible by pseudo-chipper fab-lab MD-stingmasters.

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Is Tim May a 'felon' under these laws? / Re: Banned smells
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 7:51 PM -0700 11/18/97, TruthMonger wrote: > >Having judges, or government officials, go sniff the feedlot apparently > >would give insufficient due process of law; rather, a panel of > >sniffers will develop objective standards on the types of odors and > >their strength. > Here in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, some areas have > been declared "fragrance free." It's a crime to enter these fragrance-free > zones with banned smells. This would explain the cancellation of all flights between DC and Kalifornia. Why didn't Tim May perform a 'citizen's arrest' in Stanford? Failure of nerve, or offsetting penalties? (Punt, Tim, punt!) NotThatI'mATroubleMakerMonger

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17 Dec '03

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AT&T Research "Crowds" -- Perl web anonymity proxy -- needs users
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting. John From: Avi Rubin <rubin(a)research.att.com> John, You may remember that at Crypto, I described the Crowds system to you. The system is now robust and up and running, and we have ported it to windows and unix platforms, so just about anyone should be able to use it. In fact, if there is such a thing as Perl for macintosh, I'm sure it would work on that platform too. We are very interested in getting more users of our system. As it is intended to provide privacy to web users, I thought that perhaps it is something that you and EFF would be interested in. Do you think you could put a link to the Crowds page on the EFF web site? Anything else you can do to help increase the usage would be great, because our system has the property that the more poeple use it, the more secure it is. Let me know if you have any questions. The Crowds page is: http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds Thanks, Avi -- ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Labs - Research 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809 --> Check out http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ for a new book on web security (The Web Security Sourcebook). *********************************************************************

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RE: Search engines and https
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suspect this is just a hangover from the earlier days of the Web (1993-1994) when it seemed to me that a lot of Web content was repurposed from other sources (gopher, FTP, Telnet -- the old "page after page of links"). I suspect that http://-only indexing occurred so that the early search engines could manage the amount and types of data indexed. The other aspects are that: * https:// can be significantly slower to server off of a smaller server (http:// giving OK performance, but https:// being a dog), which may prevent some from serving more content via https://; and * Many of us find being your own Certificate Authority makes for greater security, as you never have to let your private keys out the door, but only recently have the tools for creating and maintaining Certificate Authorities and server certificates become really commercialized (i.e. GUI front ends, available from Netscape and Microsoft, etc.) These aspects, I think, have combined to reduce the number of pages served by https://, such that the search engine vendors probably haven't been bugged very much to index https:// pages. I expect this to change. > ========================================================== > Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics > fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN > "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is > 'Don't Tread on Me'" >

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Re: Factor a 2048 bit number
by Peter trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Someone styling themselves as "Monty Cantsin" writes: >This number is the product of two large primes: >[big number deleted] >Yet, I believe that an enterprising individual will be able to factor >it. >Monty Cantsin If your belief has any basis in reality, I'd like to hear what it is. Schneier gives estimates for factoring 2048 bit numbers using both the General Number Field Sieve and the Special Number Field Sieve. SNFS is by far the fastest, and with that it would take 4*10^14 MIPS-years. All of the computer power expended in the RSA Symmetric Key Challenges (DES, RC5-56, etc) up to this point amount to, generously, 10^7 MIPS-years. This is only one forty-millionth of power needed. It's been said that 'Those who will not do arithmetic are doomed to speak nonsense.' You are proving the truth of this. RSA has a substantial prize for factoring much smaller numbers. It's estimated, for example, that RSA-155 (about 512 bits), could be factored in 500,000 MIPS-years. Peter Trei ptrei(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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It seemed like a good idea at the time...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was a pretty simple plan. First, I stripped naked and painted myself blue. Then, I stood on my head and started sending posts to the CypherPunks list. Soon, I would be declared 'The Craziest Fucker on the InterNet' and be the host of talk-shows across the nation. Letterman, Leno, Springer-- they would all be begging for my presence on their programs. Little did I realize that my outrageous, insane offerings would be trumped, time and time again, by seemingly average folks who held down 'day jobs' in the heart of the mainstream computer industry. Despite the widespread media coverage given to the homeless people who wander the streets of America, babbling nonsensically to all who will listen, as a result of the government abandoning the funding of homes for the mentally ill and turning them out into the street...the media is obviously ignoring the 'success stories' of those who have managed to work their way into the heart of the computer industy, advancing their corporate status by mandating compliance with offically approved vaporware, and substituting membership in the CypherPunks mailing list for their previous mind-distorting medications. If it wasn't for Bill Stewart and Bill Frantz constantly referring to me as 'that *normal* guy', I "could'a been a contend'a." TruthMonger

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17 Dec '03

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Almost a good case for censorship
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw something in the supermarket that made me almost wish for censorship. The current issue of the Weekly Worldwide News has a picture of Jane Reno is a swim suit. Be afraid. Be very afraid. --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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3rd Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/third_great_awakening.html > The Third Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1886-1908), began with the > Haymarket Riot and the student missionary movement, rose with agrarian > protest and labor violence, and climaxed in Bryans revivalist > candidacy (in 1896). Gilded Age realism came under harsh attack from > trust-blasting muckrakers, Billy Sunday evangelicals, new woman > feminists, and chautauqua dreamers. After radicalizing and splitting > the Progressive movement, the passion cooled when William Howard Taft > succeeded Teddy Roosevelt in the White House.

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Re: FCPUNX:Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 11/14/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who > has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, > I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. Probably because Heidegger *was* a Nazi, who pranced around in full drag Nazi uniform and sent certain of his colleagues to the concentration camps. To very crudely oversimplify the relationship between Heideggers philosophy and Nazism, it goes like this. No objective, only the intersubjective, therefore the community defines reality, therefore truth is merely relative to the community. Yeah, I know it is more complex than that, but it still boils down to debates being resolved by hanging people from the ceiling with piano wire rather than by appeal to the external world. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Search engines and https
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While trying to submit the cypherpunks.to website to a few search engines, I noticed that none of them seems to support indexing of https URL's. Is anybody here aware of a search engine that indexes secure web pages? And if there is no such search engine, what are the thoughts on using https to deliberately keep pages out of indices? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Billboards as Sight Bites
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> It's time to "Just Say No" to the U.N. The John Birch Society makes >> more sense every day. > >US out of the UN and UN out of the US. Yup, seen the billboard. Evidently the JBS is starting a new billboard campaign on December 1st calling for the impeachment of Clinton. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMDvOFWwZe05jcJAQF88Af9HdeeJWJ6hIzFN2gnBmF7bXtPg+MDWXqr K1GnOaqE+Vt5+GfJ19s4gnYBJwkGStlcVrN3sZDHyMIO5Ok0Zzov9NCCoO0TI4Vu DOEHM3qCnJLG/kfh2fa3GPJAFYxUH6uHyscu+yxhEmlx1AaL+a+A3aGn1nHaODu7 v1bkezS2zHRJ2778Q9kz5UzC7YcPjhIo7bGnxM0Thr/vb3X9o6N0OxzYckuy1WZg e3o2vKsqmOJN+bgIed8+K695zH2suymP5xpou22LGpkkVz8BHKHXKVkrGc/IOEMD c1LmPJjBLHZ32Iw1gifVRaPkfMQzY/gID/p90s3zCGSqQrZjPeArZw== =R7y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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News from Music Boulevard
by http://www.musicblvd.com/ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Music Boulevard Shopper, Music Boulevard is jumping with activity! We've been working hard the past few months to add new features to the store to improve your shopping experience at www.musicblvd.com. In addition, we continue to offer competitive prices on new releases and Billboard hits, and we strive to provide you with the quality information and service you need to find the music you want. Please come visit us and check out these new improvements as well as our *HOLIDAY* gift ideas, which will make this year's holiday shopping a piece of cake! We're even extending our $1 SHIPPING offer (on all U.S. orders) to make it more convenient for you to send the gift of music to all your family and friends. In the coming weeks, we'll be unveiling more exciting features and specials which we promise to let you know about. As always, we encourage you to send us your feedback, comments or questions to info(a)musicblvd.com, and we look forward to seeing you again soon on Music Boulevard. Sincerely, The Staff of Music Boulevard -------------------------------- TODAY'S CONTENTS 1. Store Features 2. Special Sales 3. New Releases 4. Advance Order Items 5. 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Check out the merchandise for sale. http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_0_/mb2/live/main/mtv/catalog.tx t --------------------------- NEW RELEASES --------------------------- "Gold and Platinum" -The Ultimate Rock Box. A Music Boulevard online exclusive. The ultimate gift for the rock fan. http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_0_/mb2/live/mrkt/ultimaterock.t xt Led Zeppelin - "BBC Sessions". Rescued from the vault, 2 CD's for 18.99 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_453720 Celine Dion - "Let's Talk About Love" http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_457293 Metallica - "Re-Load". The second half is here! http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_452809 Kenny G - "Greatest Hits" http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_452404 --------------------------- ADVANCE ORDER TITLES --------------------------- Get 'em before they're hot! All these CDs can be ordered in advance and arrive at your door the day of release: Garth Brooks - "Sevens". He's back with a new one at last! 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_462198 Babyface - "MTV Unplugged" 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_457297 Sublime - "Second Hand Smoke" 11/25 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_455798 Diana Princess of Wales - "The Tribute Album" 12/02 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_461933 Bryan Adams - "Unplugged" 12/09 http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_43_462709 --------------------------- AN ONLINE MUSIC EXCLUSIVE! --------------------------- We've been working with one of our favorite bands, The Verve Pipe (http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1314_42_168858) to bring you a special offer exclusively for online music fans. Here's what they asked us to tell you: "A few weeks ago we were approached with an opportunity that we loved. We learned about a cool new technology now available from AT&T, that brings our music directly to our fans. We asked for the cooperation of both our label RCA/BMG, and our publisher EMI, to allow us to deliver a special live performance track in its entirety. As many of you know, the Internet has been an huge part of our ongoing communication with you. One of our favorite songs, "Reverend Girl", from our album "Villains", was recorded live at the State Theater in Kalamazoo, MI. We were very happy with the quality of the recording and performance of that night. After a lot of thought, we chose this live track to make available to you in its entirety -- at no cost! We have been assured by the folks at AT&T that the quality of the download is as good as the original live recording, and it will only be available for a limited time through our web site: http://www.thevervepipe.com We hope you enjoy and thanks to all." 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Disposable Remailers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jonathan Wienke wrote: >Woodwose (who appears to have borrowed my last name for his "True Name") >appears to have done a variation of this--except that if there are >complaints about messages being sent from woodwose(a)mailexcite.com, I doubt >anything will happen other than the woodwose account at mailexcite.com >being closed. Hence, his "disposable remailer" claim. Any shmuck can log >on and input a fake name, address, and demographic data to create a new >account at hotmail, mailexcite, or juno. In this way, as existing >remailers are harassed out of existence, new ones can be created on a daily >or hourly basis. It would probably be interesting to find out how much >info these outfits collect (cookies, etc.) that could be definitively >linked to a True Name. I played around with Hotmail recently, and I didn't pick up any new cookies in my cookies file. The only distinguishing information that Hotmail seems to collect (aside from the demographic info you feed them when you open an account) is the IP address you log in from. A public proxy is sufficient to shield your IP address. I created the account from one IP address and sent the email during a separate session from another IP address. The X-Originating-IP header showed only the second address. I don't know if Hotmail keeps track of all IP addresses that access each account. Question: can anyone suggest some information/studies regarding the security of public proxies? Thanks. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJtpeFWwZe05jcJAQElEQf+MbBbTWtbiRnekJ9jIyyaTfDX3s2KV8Qm jGERIyCBF1OcZ1l35ZMm0xGKOCpGAWOBZVs/1zHzgTKB6Pxk0UZIP8+2nRmS4Dqt 7AxXa4zufVl9xVgWirCab86MvmTIrDlOdga8YZKS2h4RzLPPvo/ZySUqgjUzH0g2 y2LzKGv5KqxkgY/rRIg95I9Doqwg0iRsN2ieVXqI9E//+ZByAQpopLIADcDus4Ez UGFl6P1Ix8eLr2DBeg6nLRS84cTJs6MqAiQsHPaKUAHkS72bgv1t5lTxPcMtt6ah NK5bJfs9HEY20RXtN2kASXBkGjAzC2LMNIZ0heqmJRB471AZ4j30lg== =FOsD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:27 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >In <3.0.16.19971118231927.0dc71f6e(a)pop.mindspring.com>, on 11/18/97 > at 11:34 PM, Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com> said: >>At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >>>protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >>>against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >>>provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >>>rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >>>of it). >> In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given >>constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed >>across the border. >And this would be a BadThing(TM)?? It would be a good thing. But the former was postulating civil rights to medical care and such. I mentioned constitutional rights. Once they are here they here they are entitled to a fair trial before being kicked out. And as to bail, if they are illegally here, what is possibly the risk of flight? To Mexico? Is not that the point? That is why the INS gives them a trial date and releases them as they must be treated as right-protected citizens. And the objection to release is fleeing juristidiction under the law. It is a Catch-22. Cheech being born in East LA to the contrary not withstanding. The movie protested reality after it was gone. (If it was Chong, the facts do not change.) -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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