December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Whitehouse Seige Ends Peacefully!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] THE BARTENDER at the Coal Dust Saloon announced earlier today that the seige of the Whitehouse by armed CypherPunks ended peacefully today, when the occupants were knocked down with Teflon-coated, hollow-point Destructor bullets the size of drain plugs. Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, [Your Name Here], was pleased to announce that the Whitehouse occupants, including the late Director of the FBI, "are SAFE, now."

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Rules for a successful society
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Q: Don't want to get shot? A: Don't break into my house, try to assault me, or steal my car. Q: Don't want to be beaten about the head and shoulders with a large club? A: Stay off my property unless invited. The PRIMARY rule of a successful society: Treat others the way you want to be treated, NO EXCEPTIONS. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Internet Censorware Summit, Clinton to speak, Dec 1-3
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's one response, personal notes deleted... I also got a call from one of the organizers of the summit offering to include free speech/journalism groups in it, or at least talking to them about the possibility... --Declan >[...] > >I understand your concerns about the Summit, and what folks are trying >to do to protect children online. We just wish that you wouldn't lump >everything together, and pass judgment on it as a whole. Why oppose the >Summit? Why not analyze the different solutions that are being offered, >and report on what works and how? Why would you guys want to deny >people information? If I may be so bold, aren't you employing your own >form of censorship if you don't tell the whole story? There are some >good tools on the market, but often times they get lost in the crowd. > >[...] > >Shouldn't parents be able to use these tools in their own >homes if they see a need? Why not give people the facts, and let them >decide for themselves? If a parent would like to prevent a child from >giving address, credit card, and other information out to "just anybody" >on the Internet, what's wrong with that? If a parent would like to log >his 8 year old's Internet activity, what's wrong with that? If a parent >wants to screen out the word "sex" for every incoming transmission, >what's wrong with that? Isn't it up to the individual to decide whether >or not they want to buy this software?\ > >[...] > >Would you reconsider your opposition of the Summit? I think there is a >lot of opportunity to weed through the "b.s." and give the public some >good information about what is available, what works, and what solution >best supports free speech while protecting children. > >[...]

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Seige of Ramsey Household Ends Peacefully!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] AN UNKNOWN murderer announced today that his seige of the Ramsey household ended peacefully, with the dead, limp body of Jon Bonet Ramsey being knocked down with a penis the size of a drainplug. The unknown murderer was pleased to announce that "Jon Bonet, is SAFE, now."

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I wrote: >I have my doubts as to whether it is possible to set up a really good >anonymous insurance scheme. At some point the customer must >physically be matched up with the policy. The damage may be >minimized by putting a hash of the customer's DNA markers in the >policy instead of the markers themselves. But, when the customer >wishes to draw on the policy, his or her markers will have to be >taken. > >If there were a way for the representative of the insurance company >to absolutely verify the DNA markers such that the customer could be >absolutely certain the information didn't leave the room, a really >good anonymous policy would be feasible. But, I can't think of a way >to do this. I've thought about this some more and there is a way to do this that at least works in theory. Let's say there are 30 DNA markers to be used to uniquely identify a physical person. When creating the contract, the customer creates 30 hashes based on each marker. Prior to the time the customer has a health problem, privacy is well assured assuming he or she doesn't have a blood sample taken forcibly. When the customer goes in for treatment, the insurer selects at random one of the 30 markers and verifies it. If it checks out, treatment is provided. The way to prevent people from trying to get lucky on the markers is for the customer and the insurer to make a bet before the test. This is a safe bet for the customer - he or she knows the outcome. If the odds and payoff are set correctly, it's a good deal for the insurer, too, because he or she will make money on fraud attempts. Let's take the worst case: only one of the 30 marker is different. Let's say the insurance contract consists of a health bet with a payoff of $100,000 if the ailment insured for is found. If the customer is willing to bet $3 million that any marker selected will be correct, the insurer breaks even. However, since the customer knows with certainty the outcome of the bet, he or she is safe betting (theoretically) any amount. This can be set arbitrarily high so that the insurer actually stands to make a substantial amount of money off fraud attempts. In practice some provision will have to be made for people who can't arrange the $3 million, such as taking fraud artists out to the parking lot and shooting them. And there still needs to be a way for one DNA marker to be tested for in a way which guarantees that none of the others are studied. Perhaps when the customer goes in, he or she takes samples of DNA with all thirty markers. When the insurer selects a particular marker, a blood sample is drawn, and the customer puts in DNA with the 29 other markers so that it will not be possible to study any marker other than the one intended. If each insurance contract is linked to only one type of illness, then the only information revealed is that somebody with one particular DNA marker had such and such an illness. This seems pretty secure. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFjP6JaWtjSmRH/5AQGwjgf/SIMSKV3prkmD3WDaiwojOhgxA+V0iLeY UAwHUKoOgIQAZ+5SKz2SsP6219jyi4i1mGbQFwXc8kydeEuia81/gAReo+63wZgB S6hlh9bUc4lp//S/ql5YISypNEKWXE6o7hE3IvdAeUrRlxEyU04fLmwW2UcejeFB rTdqFQLsTbONf1bvevJ4MplnhG/O7fRUDF3jneRxDZuib60EO8zUvbvpvDhaYM/e TMeuK5OywHOCX6EQc5eZ7ER1pIWgxR1cXwm428Qvk07z8VoTDJyy6QMLs+EzPcp6 Es94M2JezFmDAfD6nDGdLzrs8h4IJITdjWujLL4VQeJi6LwP7RB5NQ== =eHkn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Seige of Mayonnaise Mountain Ends Peacefully!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] TIM C. MAY, CYPHERPUNKS PHILOSOPHER KING, announced earlier today that the seige of Mayonnaise Mountain by local, state, federal, and global assault teams ended peacefully when the heavily armed members of the NWO forces were knocked down with a wide variety of projectiles the size of drainplugs, ranging from lead elephant-shotgun pellets to homemade nuclear slingshot ammunition. Mr. May was pleased to announce that the scattered body parts of his assailants, "are SAFE, now." When informed by members of the news media that he could be subject to a fine of up to a hundred dollars by EPA officials for using lead shot in his elephant gun, Mr. May smiled, and said, "Well, they know where to find me."

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Siege Update!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[COAL DUST SALOON, Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] A BAR WHORE donated to the TruthMailer operator by the local chapter of "Ladies Against Women" announced to gathered reporters, after showing them her tits for ten dollars, that the bodies of the Whitehouse occupants and the scattered body parts of the members of the Mayonnaise Mountain assault teams had been examined by the Coal Dust Saloon bar owners, who had declared, "Those fuckers were crazy, alright, messing with the CypherPunks." Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, Anonymous, declared that the merry band of anarchists was happy to be exonerated in the face of claims by the head of the American Medical Association that those slain by the CypherPunks were mentally stable. "We were certain that the opinion of our own psychiatric specialists, Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM, and the world-renounced Dr. Grubor, would be upheld by the Circle of Eunuchs schills who count on the Last Canadian Outlaw to singlehandedly keep their bar operating in the black." When asked about the Coal Dust Saloon bar owners' decision in regard to the mental stability of Jon Bonet Ramsey, Anonymous leaned over and whispered to the Canadian Nutly News reportwhore, "If anybody asks, I was with _you_ when the little tart 'bought it', OK? Can I buy you a beer?"

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PGP question
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Not being very knowledgeable in the cypher world, are there any good online >references that compare RSA vs DSS PGP? and why one would be better than >the other? > >thanks If you use PGP 5.0 many people will refuse to read your messages and send them to you. They won't be able to decrypt your messages, verify your signatures, or use your keys. In general, using 5.0 just pisses people off. 5.0 is purposefully incompatable with all previous versions of PGP, they purposefully haven't released usable versions except for Windows and possibly Mac, they've purposefully broke any scripts and programs which invoke PGP, they purposefully made command-line versions of PGP many times more annoying to use, and PGP 5.x encrypts to a "CMR key" without having the decency to ask. Generally the PGP 5.x folks are being complete and total assholes about this entire thing and haven't done anything to improve the state of cryptography today and a whole lot to worsen it. Somebody recently posted a large rant about this titled "PGP 5.0: What were they thinking? (revisited)." CompatabilityMonger

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North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#Subject: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture CBS news tonight showed cops in a northern CA town use swabs to apply "pepper spray" directly to the eyes of demonstrators in some Congressman's office. One cop administered headlocks, another pried eyelids open and a third administered discipline. That's the ticket. Skip the judge and jury, just let the cops torture the perps. Why stop at pepper spray? Why not bamboo shoots? Electric shocks to the genitals? We must have order. Glad none of those human-rights protestors in DC will care. And none of those left-wing-commie-pinko llllliberals. And none of those right-wing Christians. FedUpMonger

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democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:42:37 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)) > > > If we abandon democracy then we are admitting that ALL social systems are a > > failure. > > I fail to see the inference there. If we as individuals can't make our own decisions about what is best for us, what makes you think some stranger will do any better? By our initial assumption we are assured that they can't make adequate decisions about their own life. Every form of government other than democracy assumes a priori that noble oblige is prima facia. To paraphrase an old questions of politics, who governs the governors? Or do you feel we have found angels in the form of kings? Democracy says, you don't need a governor (in that sense). You ARE held responsible for your actions AFTER your actions, not for simply thinking about them or even speaking them. Juries are supposed to be composed of your peers, not who the prosecution or defence believe will best support their case. It should be that the first 12 poeple called who don't have a valid excuse to be excused are the jury, the next 12 are the back-ups. This would guarantee that getting a conviction for anything other than the most heinous crime with the most explicit and incontrovertible evidence will be well nigh impossible, as it should be in a democracy. It should be a mother fucker to put somebody in jail in this country. Judges should not be able to tell someone they need permissio to file a legal complaint. Nor should a judge be able to refuse a juries request to have testimony transcribed because it costs too much. That isn't justice, that is systemic expediency and criminal indiference. Which means we should have the lowest number of incarcerated individuals instead of the most. > Democracy doesn't work that well. Probably no government at all would > be better. Doesn't work what way? Consider, other than democracy, that every form of government has an implicit assumption that there is some base sets of activities that citizens should be permitted and they will be happy. Those activities are determined, except in democracies, by those in power who are NOT elected or otherwise responsible to the people as a whole. In a democracy the people are given the opportunity to make up their mind what to do with their lives and property without having to obtain permission from some authority. Why? Because there isn't such an authority to get permission from in the first place. > > No, it is time WE take responsibility back for our actions and control our > > own lives and quit abrogating it to some asshole who will promise anything > > to get us to give them money for nothing (ie taxes). > > Same thing applies to most government functions. In what way? Paying a government to keep the park clean and mowed and the lights on at night or my streets well paved and de-iced in winter is not quite the same thing as having black-suited ninja wann-be's kicking my door in at 2AM because I choose to smoke a joint or even grow my own weed; or spend six weeks in jail for possessing vitamins that some cop THINKS is drugs; or perhaps because I happen to be a doctor and know how to read and might take exception to being told what I can or can't say; or because I might be of Jewish decent or a Muslim or a Catholic or Anglo or Negro; or etc. etc. There is a reason behind the madness of "Congress shall make no law...". ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 7:59 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote: > >#Subject: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture > > > >CBS news tonight showed cops in a northern CA town use swabs to apply > >"pepper spray" directly to the eyes of demonstrators in some Congressman's > >office. One cop administered headlocks, another pried eyelids open and a > >third administered discipline. > > > >That's the ticket. Skip the judge and jury, just let the > >cops torture the perps. Why stop at pepper spray? Why not bamboo shoots? > >Electric shocks to the genitals? We must have order. > On the other hand, the perps were trespaassers in private offices. Me, I > would've been inclined to fire up my Stihl and separate their little fairy > circle at their wrists. The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result in tissue damage. Videos show the police spraying it directly in the non-violent demonstrators eyes from inches away. Naturally, even if they shot the non-violent demonstrators in the eye from inches away, with their guns, they would be provided with a taxpayer-supported legal team to claim that the officers were in fear for their lives from seated, handcuffed, unarmed, non-violent demonstrators. If I trespass on Tim's property, I would fully expect him to deal with me in a manner consistent with his declared intentions. I would expect the same from those who claim to be bound by the same rule of law that they _force_ on the citizens. This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny. Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey." If more people had followed my example, we would be singing the praises of government, as Bozo sits in the Oval Office typing new legislation which would likely be far superior to anything we have seen in the last twenty years. "Time flies like an arrow...fruit flies like a banana." TruthMonger

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Cypherspeak
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Canadian Nutly News wrote: > Canadian Nutly News reportwhore ^^^^^ The answer to InfoWar is more InfoWhore!

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What Will Revolution Look Like?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some of the questions by Mark Rogaski and others ask about the nature of the revolution I and others are predicting and encouraging. What will a just revolution, like those anticipated by Jefferson, Franklin, and others, look like? The British thought the colonial rebels were "playing dirty" by shooting from behind trees instead of marching in bright uniforms with drums and bugles to herald their way. Modern armies think freedom fighters are "terrorist scum" for not fighting honestly and fairly in their own M-1 Abrams tanks and aircraft carriers. So, too, will revolutionaries be seen as fighting "unfairly" and being unethical sneaks, child killers, and terrorists. (As if children and other innocents did not die in various incidents in past wars, on all sides.) When Jefferson predicted that a revolution was needed every 20 years or so, he surely was not saying that throwing one party out of leadership and putting the other party in was an example of such a revolution, or that "campaign reform" is such an example. Nor was he saying that the only valid revolution would be when a buch of citizens or states got together their own army and marched on Washington. (Actually, raising such an army is in violation of numerous laws about heavy weaons, licenses to carry weapons, etc. No doubt illegal. Ironically.) No, the revolution, when it comes, will likely be different from anything quite like we've seen to date. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be > used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result > in tissue damage. http://www.tscm.com/mace.html On the third page of Brisbane's Courier Mail yesterday, "Policeman Accused of Assaulting Rape Witness Promoted." ::Boots "Any weapon must be kept concealed until the exact moment of its use"

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Self-proclaimed judge and jury.
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After my success in predicting the outcome of the 'au pair' trial, which is but one of my astonishing string of legal predictions, I have decided to offer my services as self-proclaimed judge and jury, in order to spare the government and its taxpayers the increasingly outrageous cost of incarcerating or freeing the innocent and the guilty, seemingly at random. A bar-table conference of lawyers and judges agreed wholeheartedly with me that the *evidence* presented in the 'au pair's' trial in no way supported a verdict of first, or even second, degree murder. > To convict Woodward of second-degree murder, the jury found > that she intentionally killed the baby with malice, but without > atrocity or premeditation. My panel, to a person, agreed with Barry Scheck that the prosecution had not even "come close" to proving the above, based on the evidence. None of them were foolish enough, however, to believe that the decision of the jury would be based on the evidence and the law. I announced, with an air of certitude, that the verdict would be guilty. My reasoning? 1. Morning talk shows show that the sheeple want *somebody* to pay for each and every perceived wrong done on the face of the media-lit earth. 2. The sheeple don't really give a fat rat's ass about finding the *right* villain, but only the best media-promoted candidate. 3. The obvious target is whoever is 'the least like *me*'! 4. The parents are media friendly, the 'au pair' has British reserve. In short, the British are emotional cryptographers, who obviously have something to hide. Outgoing Americans, who look like us, dress like us and act like us, need only to 'leave us laughing' in order to skip out the door to freedom while pigmentation and/or non-photographic criminals go to the gallows. Guilty! My other successful predictions, in a nutshell: Kennedy Rapist - "White-bread is going to walk." Boxer Rapist - "Nigger's going to jail." Simpson-Brown Murderer: "We were climbing over the fence to OJ's estate hollering, 'We're from the government, and we're here to help you.'" ~My Verdict~ "If the police are shit, blacks will acquit." OJ Civil Trial - Right...like *anyone* is going to brag about predicting the outcome of a black man in front of a rigged jury... In case you think I am *bragging* about my remarkable skill in making correct predictions about the outcome of almost all trials that I take an interest in...guess again. I am a cynical, pessimistic person with low self-esteem, who is able to egoistically consider himself 'superior to the sheeple' only by virtue of the fact that their repetitive echoing of whatever the media 'bleats' in their direction places them in the animal/vegetable/mineral kingdoms which I believe I have risen ever so slightly above in my quest for consciousness. I am, in fact, totally *horrified* that I am able to correctly predict the outcome of what is supposed to be a process of rational judgement by basing my analysis on the supposition that the legal system exists mostly for the purpose of perpetuating its own position of authority, and that its members chief aim is to WIN--at the cost of justice, if need be, and often even out of the interests of mere expediency. From my experience, legal resolution to criminal charges has been quickened more over the years by golf clubs who have 'moved up' an attorney's tee-time, than by any 'right to a speedy trial' legislation has ever done. I would like, deep down inside, to believe that I am full of shit in this regard, but I just keep successfully predicting the outcome of trials by being an irreverent, cynical asshole. Go figure... TruthMonger

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Thanks to AnonyMace, we know: / Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Boots wrote: > Anonymous wrote: > > The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be > > used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result > > in tissue damage. > > http://www.tscm.com/mace.html Chemical Mace®, A trademark for a mixture of organic chemicals used in aerosol form as a weapon to disable with intense burning pain, blepharospasm, acute bronchitis, and respiratory irritation. -- "American Heritage Dictionary", 1991 i.e. - The police in Humboldt county used 'weapons' against peaceful passive-resisters. Mace is an aerosol weapon (tear gas) that is used to disable violent attackers. i.e. - ibid. What Is Mace Made Of? (Formulations) CN (Original Mace) CS CN/OC Blend CS/OC Blend OC 5.5% OC 10% OC Foam CN -- Chloracetophenone (Lacrimator Agent) Relatively toxic Fast Acting (Upper Respiratory Tract, Lachrymatory, Eyes) Irritating to the Skin (burning and itching sensation) CS -- Orthochlorbenzalmalononitrle (Lacrimator Agent) Extreme burning of the eyes, and flowing tears Stinging sensation on all moist skin Tightness in the chest and throat (Lung and Bronchial Irritant) OC -- Oleoresin of Capsicum (Inflammation Agent) Severe involuntary closing of the eyes/Spasms of Eyelids Severe burning of the eyes, and flowing tears Intense pain on all exposed all skin i.e. - The police *sentenced* unconvicted citizens to receive the *punishment* of *severe* burning and *intense* pain by use of *chemical warfare*. How Does It Work? CN and CS are both irritants and lacrimator agents...if it gets into the respiratory tract is causes severe coughing and choking. ^^^^^^ For CN and CS to work effectively the person being sprayed must be able to feel pain ^^^^ OC on the other hand is a inflammation agent...it causes...the entire respiratory system to seize up and go into spasms. i.e. - Severe Pain and Spasms == Punishment Legalities Any time you use Mace (or any kind of weapon) be prepared to defend yourself in civil or criminal court. Spraying someone with Mace is (by legal definition) an assault, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ and you must be legally justified to spray someone. You can easily go to jail or get sued for misusing a defensive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ *^^^^^^^^^* spray or any level of physical force. i.e. - If you are a *citizen-unit*. Keep in mind that the use of any kind of defensive weapon could result in death. i.e. - Do the police give a fat rat's ass if they kill the citizens by using *chemical warfare* when it is not necessary, except to perhaps 'teach someone a lesson' by sentencing them to be punished before trial? No. When to Use - Use of Force Ladder Confrontational Avoidance Physical Presence Key Verbal Skills Body Language - Assault is Imminent/Possible Defensive Tactics/Martial Arts/C&R/Open Hand Chemical Weapons Impact Weapons Edged Weapons Firearms i.e. - The word "defensive" is used, time and time again in this evaluation of the proper use of mace. The words *punishment* and *expediency* are, not surpsingly, absent from this discourse. [If you follow the links to the government material on the use of these deadly chemical weapons, you will find constant references to "restraint" of "aggressive" individuals, and as an "alternative" to "physical violence."] About the author: [BTW, he's is trained in "Cryptanalysis"] James M. Atkinson, is an internationally recognized leader and trainer in the field of Technical Surveillance Counter Measures (TSCM), Signals Intelligence (SIGINT), Electronic Surveillance Technology, Telecommunications, Intelligence Acquisition and Analysis, Covert and Tactical Operations, Counterintelligence, Computer and Communications Systems, High Speed Photonic Networking, High Security Locksmithing, Electronic Counterterrorism, Explosives Detection, Chemical Weapons, Security Evaluation, and Consulting. Mr. Atkinson has been trained by the U.S. Government in Intelligence, Covert Operations, Technical Surveillance, and Cryptanalysis. He is a graduate of the Defense Intelligence School and has extensive field experience in military, technical intelligence, and covert operations. He is a veteran with eight years of active duty military service, followed by two years of employment with a U.S. intelligence agency, and holds a Top Secret security clearance. He has completed advanced tactical training, and has been certified as both an Instructor and a Master Instructor of chemical weapons and is literally the person who "teaches the teachers". Mr. Atkinson is also the author of numerous books, including multiple titles related to chemical weapons.

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Re: Self-proclamed judge and jury.
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > I am a cynical, pessimistic person with low self-esteem, who is able > to egoistically consider himself 'superior to the sheeple' only by > virtue of the fact that their repetitive echoing of whatever the media > 'bleats' in their direction places them in the animal/vegetable/mineral > kingdoms which I believe I have risen ever so slightly above in my > quest for consciousness. "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke

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Re: PGP 5.5 available outside US
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of > US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version > of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at > ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. > "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?" First, a PGP employee announces that PGP 5.5 is available for download. Second, I try to download it a dozen times, only to have the connection broken each time, after outrageously long periods of waiting for an extremely slow transfer. Third, PGP 5.5 disappears from the server. Fourth, everyone I talk to tells me their attempt to download the file failed. I don't _need_ PGP 5.5. I have a beta-test version of PGP 5.0 which serves me rudimentarily well for my purposes. I would like to check out PGP 5.5 in order to make a proper evaluation of the features and technology involved, but it seems that it is not available for this purpose. PGP will undoubtedly survive without my support, but I find it sad that after many years of supporting PGP products, I can no longer do so with any amount of integrity. Anonymous

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No Subject
by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Small is beautiful
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Forwarded message from /nev/dull(a)cats.ucsc.edu----- 1997-10-04 Million Microbe March We are proud to announce the Million Microbe March. On December 29, 1997, a crowd of one million microbes will converge on Bethesda, Maryland. They will meet there on the lawn of the National Institutes of Health, and spend the entire day expressing solidarity, atonement, and genes. This is NOT going to be a celebration of diversity. While it is true that microbes have participated in the Million Man March, the Million Woman March, the Promisekeepers' March, and other anthropocentric marches, the Million Microbe March is just for microbes. There is a large spiritual aspect to the March. Too long have too many denied the spiritual nature of the microbial community. Too often have microbes been tormented or killed because otherwise compassionate beings denied the simple fact that microbes have souls. We ask you to please remember the official slogan of the Million Microbe March. If you or one near to you is going on the March, please chant the slogan long, loud, and often: Small is beautiful. Small is beautiful. Small is beautiful. -----End of forwarded message----- -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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Archives?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there an archive of various papers concerning such things as Assassination Politics, Eternity Servers, Reputation Capital, The Blowfish Cipher, CROWDS, encryption of IP traffic, etc.?

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Re: What Will Revolution Look Like?
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >No, the revolution, when it comes, will likely be different from anything >quite like we've seen to date. .................................................... In the revolution against the British, the U.S. was a small colony sitting on a vast "new" land, with the Natives but a minor obstacle to expansion. Presently there is no such unoccupied place which could be claimed for the cause of liberty, and revolutionaries are sitting in the middle of the enemy camp, surrounded everywhere by people who "just want to save lives". You could temporarily send a political message and get your names in the news, but then totally lose the war from being outnumbered and overwhelmed by non-sympathizers. A long time ago it was possible, given the distance of water and land between peoples, to make a break with them physically. The enemy could be driven out, sent "home", and the winners could develop their new living arrangements in the new setting. But there is no new setting to go to, there is nowhere to send the infidels. The life of a new libertarian "society" would have to be created as a virtual one, existing among or in-between the others. Of course the basis of the original setup is still mentioned every once in a while, and so it is still in the minds of everyone, even if only as a dim reference, so it could be said that the most a current revolution could accomplish would be the return of the original ideal to the minds of the population. But I think that it would take much more than a few skirmishes to accomplish that, as it doesn't appear that it carries all that much support. It would be like getting a kid to take down some medicine; many don't really want to live so independently, nor feel the need to identify what kind of life would be the more ideal (i.e. they don't identify precisely the difference between a socialist atmosphere and a libertarian one, nor concern themselves with why they should spend any time worrying about the difference it makes.) An intentional revolution, I fear, would just look like an attempt to make people think. And therefore not taken too seriously. (And if the revolutionaires lose? tough luck. Oh, well. Gotta go to work in the morning.) .. Blanc

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 9:14 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote: > > > This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed > >upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions > >of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose > >to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding > >to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation > >of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny. > > Excuse me, but this modern notion that protestors get to "make a deal" > about the fines they'll eventually pay is bogus. If they're trespassing, > they're trespassing. They don't get to take over Intel's factory, chain > themselves to the Evil Factory doors, and then make a deal to pay some > token fine. Perhaps I was unclear, but I was refering to the _ancient_ notion that once one has crawled out of the primeval swamp and begun to walk upright, that they should work on controlling their animal passions to the extent that they abide by the agreements they have sworn to uphold, regardless of whether the people they are being paid to serve have pissed them off. Am I mistaken in my impression that they did not take over Intel's factory? How is your mind holding up, Tim? Can you remember details of your life that don't have to do with Intel? {Not that I haven't sunken in to remeniscing about my life during several posts today. I suppose it is only a matter of time until we are all Grouchy Old Cypherpunks inundating the list with posts about who died, who has prostrate cancer, and who broke their hip trying to close that darned new-fangled nuclear suitcase.} > Like the AIDS protestors who "arrange" a deal whereby they'll shut down the > Golden Gate Bridge for several hours and then pay their arranged $50 > tickets. Do you know about some 'deal' of which I am not aware in this situation or shall we discuss the _real_ events which took place in Humboldt? > Well, what's wrong with me driving up to the head of the sit-down protest > and saying to the cops standing idly by, "Hey, there are some queers in the > middle of the road, blocking my trip to Marin. If you're just gonna let em > sit there for hours, putting my business and plans at risk, I'm just gonna > gun my engine and drive right over their fairy asses." To tell the truth, I really don't have any problem with _you_ doing so. I _would_ have a problem with the cops doing so, however, which is a point I am trying to make. It may be the policeman's job and/or duty to arrest and imprison the people involved, but it is in no way their duty or right to _punish_ the people by invoking a level of violence which is not necessary to accomplish the job. I don't really care if it is _difficult_ for the policemen to deal with the physical details of imprisoning the people. And I don't have a lot of sympathy for the protesters if they get bumped and bruised in the process of the police honestly doing their job. However, it is unconscienable for officers to inflict pain and suffering on the protesters for no other reason than to punish them for making the policeman's job difficult and defying authority. > Crimes are crimes, not "guerilla theater." Not "performance art." Such as dumping tea in Boston harbor to protest oppressive taxation? > > Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and > >children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song > >called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey." > > I had a much better idea back then. Leave the mothers and childrens chained > to the fences and gates. > > Pull back from them, erect a cordon around them, and block anyone from > approaching. They wanted to be chained to the fence, sans keys, so let > them have their wish. Fucking eh! I wish you had been in charge back then. I thought it was ridiculous for LEA's to play to protesters desires by escalating situations beyond what was really needed because of some perceived threat to their authority. > Others could show up to throw stuff at them, and place bets on who would be > the last to die. > > And, as the flesh dripped off and the bones whitened, it might be a nice > object lesson for the others. Say, that's not a 'red bandana' on your neck, is it? WhiteSocksAndBlueRibbonBeerMonger

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