December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

An e$Lab competitor?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now I know how the Wright Brothers felt when they found out about Langley and Bell... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:37:44 -0700 From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) Subject: An e$Lab competitor? To: e$lab(a)vmeng.com Sender: <e$lab(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=subscribe%20e$lab> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=unsubscribe%20e$lab> From MecklerMedia's http:/www.internetnews.com E-Transaction Lab for Financial Firms Opens in NYC [October 1] New York City-based Transaction Information Systems (TIS), an integration and information technology consulting company, opened FLITE <http://www.flitelab.com>, an open software factory dedicated to building electronic commerce solutions for the financial industry. In addition to TIS, the founder of FLITE, there are approximately 20 member firms, including Digital Equipment Corp., ad agency Foote, Cone and Belding, IBM, Lotus Development Corp., Reuters, Sybase, and Visa. FLITE is physically located in the former home of the historic New York Lawyers' Club at 115 Broadway in downtown Manhattan. FLITE allows sales, marketing, and information technology executives to interact with a variety of online trading systems, 401(k) management products, three-dimensional visualizations of financial data, and other electronic commerce and interactive customer service solutions. "This one-of-a-kind software factory enables financial institutions to increase sales and market reach via the rapid deployment of their financial products through multiple distribution vehicles, including the Internet, kiosks, display cellular phones and TV sets," said Bob Gold, President of TIS. "In one place, they can experience and visualize more electronic commerce and customer service applications for the financial industry than anywhere else. FLITE's design process and electronic commerce tools allow us to roll out transactional Web sites in half the time and at half the cost of the industry average." FLITE is a working lab that financial institutions can use to produce innovative products. Marketing/sales executives use the facility to learn to think interactively and develop Internet strategies, build product prototypes rapidly and conduct focus groups. Technology staffs can use the facility for jointly developing interactive products with FLITE engineers, use FLITE's specialty rooms (user interface optimization, 3-D visualization and quality assurance testing), and get hands-on training and knowledge transfer. As a factory, FLITE has specialized machinery and tools for building transactional Web sites and delivering products through interactive distribution channels, TIS said. FLITE has a variety of hardware servers, workstations, laptops, kiosks, televisions, display phones, touchscreen monitors, and financial trading equipment. "FLITE combines the promise of new technology with the city's financial heritage," said Gold. "Unlike other companies who have put research and development facilities in the suburbs, TIS believes that its downtown location in the heart of Wall Street attracts the top talent in the industry and makes it accessible to financial industry executives." --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alex Le Heux wrote: >You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To >kill. Just like any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be >used at some point. Although guns are obviously designed for killing things, this does not mean that they will be used. This can be seen from the statistics. There are far fewer murders than there are guns. Almost all of them are never used for killing someone. You are also not considering the case where one person has a gun and another does not. The situation is more stable if both people are armed. (And don't claim you are talking about disarming a whole society. You aren't, just part of it.) >So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a >lot of people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. Depends who they are. Bet the Dutch resistance made good use of their weaponry, eh? >In the US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, >many people would not think twice before shooting someone. This is simply untrue. TV and movies are not the best way to form an understanding of another country. >The result of this is that the number of people getting killed by >guns is enourmous, be they criminals, little kids, old grannies, or >presidents. I read recently that 9000 people a year die in the United States from food poisoning. This should be almost entirely preventable. Why isn't this a big political issue? Could it be that the people pushing gun control do not have entirely pure motives? Be aware that the gun control lobby has often used misleading statistics. For instance, you will hear a lot about "handgun deaths". It turns out that most of these are suicides. While undesirable, most people perceive a difference between somebody killing themselves and a nutcase doing his thing at a school. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDKPA5aWtjSmRH/5AQFgoAf7B3MxcsPsF1CHke4aaGHjERMCcmEt/4lk 9Z9l9qCD6zysodKlXX5W5qlpY6okE1LEFxMitb3royeBOqbxksj9t0b+/p0Py2Bl /lQYZ+Km6bsO/ooVMy5Ub+3W1XyqgYwoXPOoO7+6vOUMQijCmekm3Zquj8t5YY4M o8wq2p935GlXOu6efTxMSnRY5+r2SZDI4aWPIzHmXWqjMfUnIRVmmQ1WBQ2h1X2U 4BoTcKQAi7rEdC1UXI7kKtNO246lgyHj/P+G6H645iRdgFAyjFKmyLzM+6ai8Bpq oE5yWnpfq4nTQ7WhdNe8XmKFQY+sxD4xhFzcNkxR1+3yzShK9shSLg== =sHEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cynthia Brown wrote: >On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Alex Le Heux wrote: >> This sucks. > >I agree wholeheartedly. >IMNSHO the best way to fight crime is not with bigger guns than the >"bad guys", but with better social programs such as universal health >care, and improved day care so single parents can show their kids >what a productive lifestyle looks like. Of course you agree wholeheartedly, you are an exploiter. It is wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDLA95aWtjSmRH/5AQFykwf+Nh/3MKqyK30Tc90Wj0MCvKLvyZYzkKiZ KV/H8+7Of5hPh0pUEZNDBxr7A3x02+0jhYwJymzYcHJuXAP0+RmXtWRyAWz9TFE3 AB23HgLODI2IrsD1NvlwbjHQzpLVqfT99QEYIaolZScilc5hw1uZV8dAK4SjXDnZ +K4QG3RZpAxpKZUSWduErtJ+8JAzavH4ybeR95hO2uY2na1ckmwWm39ERg+u+N4k rP2wd3E4IQ7XWbPCrHWEPoDs4PHMg09lK/Y+fv9ejE8+ehq/YeO1WYtZtlaCURtU CE7JXH4b60+NmDuISybaMWdv70IFOneukz64zasAT1wp9w4Mxqjw7Q== =VYI9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alex Le Heux wrote: >Maybe you haven't noticed, but seen on 2000 year scales, the entire >world is constantly in a state of war. Europe isn't special in that >regard. I guess the conclusion, then, is that gun control is bad for the whole world, not just Europe. >And even if I had my AR15 then, it wouldn't help me a lot against >guided missiles and mortar fire. It's harder to police a hostile population which is well armed. >And anyway, "to defend yourself in a war" is not one of the usual >arguments against gun control. The popularity of an argument can be independent of its worth. "To defend yourself in general" is commonly used. War, oppressive government, and political turbulence are the most likely situations in which people need their weapons, even in the United States. >> You must be getting some good drugs over there to conjure up this >> fantasy land where everyone loves one another and would never think >> of killing someone because it sure as hell doesn't exist in Europe. > >Well, we're a lot closer to it over here than you guys are over >there. You mean like the former Yugoslavia? Or do you mean like the parts of Europe where people are not slaughtering each other at the moment? I have to confess that I am surprised at the level of resentment among the members of various Europeans countries feel towards other European countries. For example, the Germans don't like the Dutch because when they visit they are treated badly by, among others, the police. The Dutch don't like the Germans because, well, they got to know them a little too well in the 1940s and they are nursing the grudge. With that sort of situation, anything can happen and it can happen quickly, even if things seem mellow right now. And these little resentments and jealousies are felt between far more groups in Europe than just between the Dutchies and the Germans. Let's also take a look at the Dutch performance during their occupation. While there certainly were many courageous Dutch people who helped refugees (at great personal risk, to say the least), and there were many courageous Dutch people who were in the resistance, there were also many Dutch people who did not perform so well. Not only were a large number of Jewish people turned in by Dutch informers, but there were even Dutch SS units. I basically think well of the Netherlands and its people, but it is important to recognize that certain unpleasant characteristics exist in a large portion of the population of even a nice country. It is unlucky to pretend that these characteristics can never be expressed. Let's turn to the Western Hemisphere: El Salvador. During much of the 1980s, the U.S. government supported groups of people in El Salvador who were sending out death squads to murder their suspected opponents. The U.S. certainly acquiesced in this activity - of this there is no doubt. But, it is not unlikely the U.S. was more directly involved. (Only fifteen years earlier the U.S. was doing the same thing in Vietnam.) What would have happened if the citizens of El Salvador were adequately armed? One thing you wouldn't see is a death squad going into a neighborhood to kick down some innocent's door and murder him or his family. At least, you wouldn't see it twice. Likewise, when the communist guerrillas were forcing (maybe) the peasantry to support them, the peasants would have no need to cooperate unwillingly if they were well armed. People who are well armed are less likely to become pawns, victims, or slaves. That is desirable. Incidentally, the consistent support the U.S. government has shown for murderous or even genocidal governments is of great concern to those of us who live in the U.S. It is unlikely that these tactics won't be used here were there a serious political struggle and a disarmed population. An issue that might possibly blossom into such a political struggle is mass surveillance. While the mass media is, for the most part, giving everything the government's spin, and while large numbers of Congressmen and other denizens of Washington, D.C. think it's a good idea, the bulk of the population is not happy about this at all. They can read the writing on the wall. The potential for conflict between the political class, which has a long history of murder and even assassination, and the American people exists right now. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDKo45aWtjSmRH/5AQG/KAf/ViGabpr8OnP2UYZ/CZAKQ4czRzVlx7Az Dcb0mqxnhNmQ7o5YJQlodbrmI3cEbXb0/YeTaX9r2pmxhtz06hekCTa28ZoycspB aCzoWLuZW1et9zNTYQzfDADLPPoLDizHG/zHPpWH97t/8NgQOXmQXS1qccNkylMl LghngUR+2YXlmB0omNLy1e6hQCzjkgUlxYE5T5Aimn0WpTmHk4yn9HwOdGXC2gvU idX5qlQUkwhxuEqOgN/p++tzv22Fi8W3RaIusrMzJV2dU3326IEwsJzFY3UI8xh2 M1bZCWTA6TlBBJoqbugt4gqvhAT0/yH6kJdLjDdYlKsEUVM3nfctfQ== =STNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan writes: >So I'm putting together a special report featuring examples of illegal >wiretapping by governments -- to show why we shouldn't trust them with >mandatory domestic key escrow. Also illegal electronic surveillance, >generally speaking. Especially more recent ones. Maybe non-U.S. examples >too. > >Any suggestions? I'm thinking things like: MLKjr, Mrs. Roosevelt, _Irvine_, >_Socialist Workers Party_, Dewey-FBI alliance, mail opening, Emma Goldman, >Brownell's blanket microphone surveillance, _Katz_, _Alderman_, CISPES. I'd figure pretty much anything from Bamford's _The Puzzle Palace_ would work, but the stuff on Operation Shamrock (interception of cable traffic) might be of particular interest. Also the parts about "intelligence sharing" with the Brits and Australians -- just because the NSA can't tap it doesn't mean they can't get it from our "friends." No doubt the Men From Fort Meade have been as helpful in the other direction as well. A particularly nice detail about Shamrock is that the FBI was using the NSA to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance of "un-American" groups by using ELINT, which was -- of course -- "born classified." I'd cite details, but my Bamford seems to be MIA. Maybe the MIB came for it. . . Ratbert

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How good will it be to have total conformity? What will be left of singularity? And personality? And you and me? CM

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:27:10 -0400 > From: ghio(a)temp0122.myriad.ml.org (Matthew Ghio) > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd) > Jim Choate wrote: > > > What besides raising hell anonymously, laundering money, and defeating > > merchant purchase traffic analysis are commercial anonymous remailers good > > for? > > So what are remailers being used for? We are talking commercial remailers here right? <see the quote you used above>. As famous as you are, you don't get to change the rules in the middle of the game. > 1) Private communication in the form of anonymous message pools You don't need anonymous remailers for this since simple crypto will provide just as good private communications security than anonymous remailers will because there is no central choke point where traffic analysis occurs . Now if one of the parties is actualy under surveillance then the anonymous remailers won't help because they will be tapping at the source, if anything it would provide further evidence of the parties complicity in a conspiracy. If you want your communications to stay private (if I understand your use of the word) use encryption and use underground remailers which isn't open to commercial exploitation, or else simply purchase a different account on your current ISP. > 2) Test posts Irrelevant, people don't pay for test posts enough to keep a commercial remailer in business - unless we vastly increase the total traffic level by quite a few orders of magnitude. > 3) Discussion of Macintosh computers irrelevant, people won't pay for this either. > 4) Discussion of obscure religions irrelevant (and I'm a Pantheist, they don't get more obscure than that) since people ain't gonna pay for this unless they are persecuted in their country of residence. If so the easiest thing to do would be to outlaw anonymous remailers (with the same logic they use to oppress the religion). [see #6 for more details on this] > 5) Sharing erotic fantasy stories And you suspect they will actualy pay for this? This line of reasoning I would love to hear more on... > 6) Avoiding censorship in Singapore Let's look at this a moment. I believe we can take as a given that Singapore is a oppressive regime. Furthermore all traffic in Singapore goes through government operated and regulated POP's. In that environment you really want to send traffic to an anonymous remailer? Can you say 'man-in-the-middle', and not only that but all the outgoing traffic from Singapore won't be through an anonymous remailers making it trivial for Singapore officials to determine exactly who to go hassle. So it is clear that the only parties discussing Singapore safely will be outside Singapore which makes the supposition that Singapore is going to come after you a bit suspect. You're talking about a country that outlaws private satellite dishes - get real. Furthermore commercial enterprises are open to much closer scrutiny in areas like Singapore making it even harder to stay in business unless the operator happens to be a government stooly, hardly the stuff of security. My thesis would be that any remailer (commercial or not) in a country with an oppresive regime is the last place you want to consider secure. > 7) Avoiding censorship in Iran See #6. Applies to China, Korea, Iraq, etc. > 8) Discussion of remailers themselves I would also like to see your explanation of exactly why they would pay for this. > 9) Discussion of controvertial political topics (racism, guns, drugs) The only reason that anonymous remailers are useful here is that the originating party doesn't want to deal with the results of being known. The flip side to this is that the reputation of anonymous discussions in these sorts of areas would have little political impact. A person who won't discuss such issues under their own name certainly won't go out and become actively involved in some political movement. Now if your claim is that such activity might hold some weight with an elected official I would appreciate an explanation as well - especialy considering that the anonymity provides just enough 'cover' so that the politician can safely ignore any and all traffic made through this mechanism, "They aren't one of my constituents." If you have some reasoning outside this please share it. > 10) Discussion about a TV show Irrelevant because people won't pay for this. Free remailers are useful for all sorts of mental masturbation, for actual business there doesn't seem to be a lot of uses. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/97 5:03 AM, Robert A. Costner (pooh(a)efga.org) passed this wisdom: >At 09:59 AM 10/1/97 +0200, Anonymous (Monty Cantsin) wrote: >>It is my understanding that serious naval vessels like aircraft >>carriers use constant bandwidth channels to defeat traffic analysis. >>That is, to every place they might wish to communicate, they >>continuously broadcast encrypted information. Most of the time the >>channel is empty, of course, but nobody outside can tell when. >> >>If we had a remailer network in which each customer had a constant >>bandwidth connection to one or more remailers, you could have zero >>latency mail. > >Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that anyone who wishes to be >anonymous should send a continuous 24 hour stream of low bandwidth data to >a central point in an effort to help keep anyone from knowing that they >wish to be anonymous. > >While this may help correct the latency problem, how do you think this will >effect anonymity? Do you think that by sending a continuos stream of data >to the remailer, the sender will be less identifiable? No, but I see that someone with a fulltime connection or even a fulltime machine with an hourly or half hourly dialup would setup a program to send randomly generated "Null:" messages to the randomly selected remailers so that when he does have something to send that is meaningful it will not change the apparent flow ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDLjFMdZgC62U/gIEQI1wgCg22mCFVbWn77DwG1CUlIRJah7oooAnic0 e0J0D1IOLP85CNvadBh9cBVA =5UGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "First say to your self what you would be; then do what you have to do." Epictetus (35-135 A.D.)

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:16:22 +0100 > From: alexlh(a)yourchoice.nl (Alex Le Heux) > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To kill. Just like > any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be used at some point. Actualy I have never killed anything with my current .22, but a lot of tin cans and paper targets have been holed. And, no, I would NEVER consider a .22 anything close to a self-defence weapon since even a head shot doesn't guarantee anything other than pissing the target off. I might use it as a club but it is not nearly that stout, I'd go for my shovel or hoe or maybe my nunchakus (assuming they didn't have a gun -which most burglars and such don't have). > So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a lot of > people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. Actualy it cuts down on crime because the criminal is afraid they might get shot. A perfect example of this is Florida or Texas where the vast majority of people have guns. If you catch a burglar in your house or car do they run? No. Why? In the vast majority of cases the perp states that they were afraid of being shot - in effect saving both lives. I can say this, I would never consider staying in a place for very long that prevented me from owning a gun legaly. Well, actualy there is one way, guarantee that I get my own personal police officer to go around with me (and they should be armed). Here in Texas we have a law that permits the owner of property to kill without warning any party stealing their property after dark. It's amazing that the vast majority of burglaries and such happen during the day. It's further interesting that in both Texas and Florida after legalizing handguns the number of robberies and such went down, as well as the number of violent crimes using guns. The only thing that went up was domestic violence where one spouse killed another in a fit of rage. Had the gun not been there they would have gone back to knives and frying pans which used to be the weapon of choice. Are you proposing that we outlaw knives and frying pans as well? > Gun control laws are not the issue. It's a matter of mentality. In Europe, > where we have rather strict guncontrol laws, and have had them for a long > time a decent human being will not even think of shooting someone else. Not mentality, maturity. I am shure they think about it all the time, they just can't find an underground gun dealer. Yeah, they not only blow up the individual target but a couple of dozen other bystanders in the process. If it's so damn safe how come the cops over there all carry machine pistols and such. Something you never see here in the states even during a bank robbery. > In the > US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, many people would > not think twice before shooting someone. The result of this is that the > number of people getting killed by guns is enourmous, be they criminals, > little kids, old grannies, or presidents. First, not that many little kids are killed by guns. Most die many other ways much more horrible. Two presidents and if Illinois is any show the Grandma's can take care of themselves. Secondly, in this country more people are killed each year by hands, feet, and clubs than guns. Thirdly, the vast majority of gun owners would no more shoot somebody without thinking than they would run over them in their car. Beside, it takes a moment of reflection to get the sites lined up. > We are not trying to export our stupidity, we're just trying to explain to > you how we live. We live in a place where we don't even have to think about > getting a gun, because the chances of us encountering a gun in the hands > of an adversary are negligible. You have accepted your over-bearing invasive jackbooted police with a equinimaty that would never occur here - we'd shoot the SOB's. Sounds like when it comes to sheeple the US has a long way to go when compared to Europe. > Wake up and smell the coffee, dude. If you have lots of guns around, you're > gonna end up with lots of people getting shot. And if some of those aren't shot we'd have a lot of people running around with other peoples property against their will. Shooting a person is in and of itself not bad, if you believe it is then I take it you support disarming the police and military as well. Do you support capital punishment? Apparently it's you and your ilk that haven't gotten the clue: It isn't that a gun was used but under what circumstances. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 19:56:26 -0400 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > No, but I see that someone with a fulltime connection or even a > fulltime machine with an hourly or half hourly dialup would setup a > program to send randomly generated "Null:" messages to the randomly > selected remailers so that when he does have something to send that is > meaningful it will not change the apparent flow ... And why does this by any security when it's the header info and contents that Mallet looks at, not the frequency. The only thing such approaches do is impliment security by obscurity, and that ain't security. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:20:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Cynthia Brown <cynthb(a)sonetis.com> > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > I agree wholeheartedly. Uncontrolled guns do not solve problems, they > create them. If most households have at least one firearm, it makes it > that much easier for a criminal to obtain one by stealing yours while you > are at work. Most households in the US do have firearms, most criminals don't steal guns they buy them from the underground. If they do steal them they sell them pretty quickly afterward. Very few gun crimes in the US are committed with stolen guns, or guns stolen by the possessor at the time of the shooting. > Canada may be regulated to death according to most libertarians, but I for > one like it that way. I can walk alone and unarmed at night in Ottawa, > Toronto, etc. without fearing for my life. Can a female resident of > Washington or New York say the same? Our schools do not have metal detectors > at the entrances because they are not needed. Bullshit, they have muggings and such there just like everywhere else. Are you seriously claiming that sort of stuff doesn't happen? The schools here in Austin don't either. Most schools in the US don't have this sort of stuff. > IMNSHO the best way to fight crime is not with bigger guns than the "bad > guys", but with better social programs such as universal health care, and > improved day care so single parents can show their kids what a productive > lifestyle looks like. This takes longer than blowing the brains out of some > teenager that feels his only path to a better life is through crime, and it > doesn't give the same adrenalin rush. However, it works at the source of > crime, and not the consequences. The way to fight crime is to stop putting 1st time offenders, drug offenses, non-violent crimes, etc. in jails AND to make consensual crimes non-crimes like they ethicaly should be. We have over a million people in jail in the US, more than any other country, the vast majority of whom shouldn't be in jail because what they did shouldn't be a crime. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:42:39 +0200 (MET DST) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > You are also not considering the case where one person has a gun and > another does not. The situation is more stable if both people are > armed. (And don't claim you are talking about disarming a whole > society. You aren't, just part of it.) Why is the situation more stable if both parties are armed? If I were confronted by a armed burglar and we were facing off I would pull the trigger as soon as I got a lock. If their gun wasn't in a ready position I would warn them and if they so much as flinched I'd drop them. If they were unarmed I might beat them senseless with the gun but I would not shoot them unless they made a motion to rush me, then I would go for a non-lethal shot unless the distance was less than a dozen feet (rushing distance) or so in which case I prefer head shots followed by center-torso (heart) shots. I'd also train to fire 3 shot groups. The one exception would be center-torso shots if they were wearing heavy or bulky clothing that might hide a vest. In that situation (assuming it wasn't a rush) I would shoot for the inside of the thigh at the hip-joint. Hit that artery and your dead without immediate medical attention (which I am not likely to give after just shooting the SOB). If it was a rush situation I would dump the clip into their chest moving upward, hoping the KE would slow them down enough to get a clear head shot (this would be what I practiced the most as well). No, despite your claim the most stable situation is to not have the invasion in the first place, followed by the victim being the only one armed. Anything else is a gun-battle waiting for a twitch. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: None (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: None > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 16:15:50 EDT > > Those who are newcomers to the list should know that Vulis has never > > presented any evidence substantiating his vague claims that Stronghold > > is insecure or has backdoors (or whatever the claims were). Vulis is > > conducting a personal vendetta against one of C2Net's staff members and > > anyone who happened to be or become associated with him. > > Nor do I have to present any evidence. I'm not the one selling StrongHold. Exactly, StrongHold is the one making the claims of security, it behooves them to address any and all criticisms of their product. > I have received several threatening communications from C2Net's lawyers, > which were discussed at length on this list. To avoid unpleasant disputes > I agreed not to disseminate my opinions about StrongHold. > Please keep this in mind if you consider buying it. Which is sufficient reason not to use the StrongHold product or anything else put out by them. Any company which desires to suppress opinions or discussion over their product clearly has something to hide. This is what I tell my customers and they seem to understand the utility of such an approach. Never support strong-arm tactics, honest people don't need them. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Traffic Analysis and Cover Traffic (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:13 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Traffic Analysis and Cover Traffic > As I understand your example above, the sender becomes less identifiable > because he can always be counted on to send some packets; an attacker > cannot see a message after a long period of no messages and correlate it to > a similar sudden increase of activity at a possible recipient machine. > > Traffic analysis is something you should look at. And think about. This holds if it is a one-time occurance. If Mallet is looking at the traffic over a very long time it is completely reasonable to expect some correlation to become clear. To address the example another presented about some book example of burst analysis. Look at real-world examples such as the underground in France in WWII. They would generate a single message on a known frequency at a specific time. Thus interested parties could dial-in and get the info but would not provide the Nazi's with sufficient traffic or time to get a bearing. The revolutionaries in the book are amateurs and deserve what they get since it is clear they are incompentent and by extension not fit to run a country. Anyone with a clue will use times single instance transmissions and if available burst or SS transmitters to reduce the transmission time even more. With current technology like full-time satellite surveillance and transmitter characteristic analysis anything more than a single burst transmission with the radio from a random location will provide sufficient traffic to get a fix. You should also throw the transmitter away or change the drivers in the finals after each use as characteristic analysis will provide Mallet with the means to track the transmitter and thereby apply traffic analysis (just like they use in some cell systems). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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money laundering book review
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

some new books that might be of interest to some cpunks ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:12 -0400 From: Kris Millegan RoadsEnd <RoadsEnd(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Fwd: piml] Free Life Commentary - The New World Order To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: ke4yqz(a)mindspring.com (Roger Cravens) To: c-news(a)world.std.com, piml(a)mars.galstar.com Date: 97-09-30 16:54:38 EDT >From: "Chris R. Tame" <Chris(a)rand.demon.co.uk> >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:45:58 +0100 >Subject: Free Life Commentary - The New World Order >To: libnw(a)circuit.com (Multiple recipients of Liberty_NW) > >I hope the third issue of my colleague Sean's Free Life Commentary will >prove of interest. > >Chris R. Tame >Director >Libertarian Alliance > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > >Free Life Commentary >Editor: Sean Gabb >Issue Number Three >29th September 1997 > >========================== >"Over himself, over his own mind and body, >the individual is sovereign" >(J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859) >========================== > >Free Life Commentary is an independent journal of comment, >published on the Internet. To recieve regular issues, send >e-mail to Sean Gabb at old.whig(a)virgin.net > >Issues are archived at http://freespace.virgin.net/old.whig/ > >Contact Address: 25 Chapter Chambers, Esterbrooke Street, >London, SW1P 4NN; Telephone: 0181 858 0841 > >========================== > > On the New World Order: > Two Book Reviews > by Sean Gabb > > > > International Efforts to Combat Money Laundering > William C. Gilmore (ed.) > Grotius Publications Limited, > Cambridge, 1992, 335pp, 48 (pbk) > (ISBN 0 521 46305 X) > > Money Laundering: A Practical Guide to the New >Legislation > Rowan Bosworth-Davies and Graham Saltmarsh > Chapman & Hall, London, 1994, > xii and 304pp, 49.50 (hbk) > (ISBN 0 412 57530 2) > > >The first of these books is a collection of treaties, plus other >documents, concerned with the international fight against >money laundering. The second explains how these treaties >have been enacted into, and are enforced under, the laws of >the United Kingdom. Both works will repay the closest >study. In clear detail, they show the growth of what must >be called a New World Order, and how, without some >interposing cause, this may produce a universal slide into >despotism. > >The fight against money laundering begins with realising >that the "War on Drugs" has been lost. When goods are >portable and easily concealed, and when demand for them is >strong enough to bear almost any cost of bringing them to >market, the main effect of prohibition will be to put a >bounty on crime. For all the efforts of the past three >generations, illegal drugs are available in most high security >prisons. In much of the West, street prices have been >stable or even falling since 1980. > >The official response, however, has not been to give in and >legalise the trade, but to expand the War to a front where >previously there had been few hostilities. While keeping up >their efforts against the trade itself, the authorities have >turned increasingly to confiscating its proceeds. This new >approach has three alleged benefits: > >First, it will deprive criminals of their incentive to enter >and remain in the trade; > >Second, it will allow the punishing of those in charge of the >trade - people who never touch or see illegal drugs, but to >whom the main profits ultimately flow; > >Third, it can make the War on Drugs self-supporting, and >perhaps yield a surplus for other public spending. > >There is, however, one practical difficulty. Before the >authorities can confiscate the money, they must find it. To >do this, they must keep it from being merged beyond recall >into the general flow of investment. This involves ending >bank secrecy and imposing a mass of financial regulation. >Now, most people - especially the rich - dislike having their >lives pried into. Nor do banks like higher costs and >limitations on what business they can do. And so, given >the present freedom of capital markets, no government >acting alone can afford a strict policy of confiscation. It >would, sooner or later, cause a flight of transactions to >more liberal places. > >The solution has been to try making everywhere in the >world equally illiberal. Such was the purpose of the >United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in >Narcotic Drugs and Narcotic Substances, signed in Vienna >in December 1988 [full text in Gilmore, pp.75-97]. This is >one of the most important international treaties of the past >50 years. It not merely requires its signatory states to >criminalise the laundering of drug money, and to confiscate >it where found, but lays down so far as possible a common >wording for the criminal statutes, and a common mode of >enforcement. It also requires full and prompt cooperation >between the signatory states for the enforcement of these >laws anywhere in the world. > >The Convention had little direct or immediate effect on >British law. Many of its requirements, indeed, had already >been met in the Drug Trafficking Offences Act 1986. Most >others were only met in the Criminal Justice Act 1993, >which enacts the European Community Directive of 1991 >on the Prevention of the Use of the Financial System for the >Purpose of Money Laundering [full text in Gilmore, >pp.250-67]. This itself derives from the Vienna Convention >only through the Council of Europe Convention on >Laundering, Search, Seizure and Confiscation of the >Proceeds from Crime 1990 [full text in Gilmore, pp.177- >91]. Even so, this country is fast becoming a financial >police state of the kind agreed at Vienna - and where the >process cannot be traced to the Convention, it can be traced >to the same international pressures of which the Convention >is itself a result. > >Let me explain. When I talk about a New World Order, I >do not mean some grand conspiracy of bankers, or Jews, or >Illuminati, or even - with far more probability - the >American Government. There are countries where policy is >largely dictated from outside. But for rich and powerful >countries, the truth is more complex. Most international >obligations imposed on this country, for example, were not >only consented to by our rulers, but were usually proposed >by them, and are enforced by agencies in which our own >countrymen often occupy senior positions. > >Where others see conspiracies, I see public choice >economics. Whenever a government tries to do something >dangerous or unnecessary, like banning drugs or educating >the poor, it must set up an agency through which to spend >the allocated funds. Once employed, the agents will - as if >directed by an invisible hand - start to find more and more >justifications for expanding their status and numbers. They >collect the statistics. They know which ones to publish and >which to hold back. They are the politicians' first and >favoured source of advice. They have their pet journalists. >They trade favours with the relevant interest groups. They >know exactly how to give themselves a pleasing life, and >how to see off threats to it. Unless the money runs out, or >the public turns really nasty, they can write their own >budget cheques. > >By natural extension, the same is now happening at the >international level - though with potentially far worse >consequences. In the first place, there is limitless money: >budgets would need to swell unimaginably large to reach >even one per cent of gross planetary product. In the >second, public anger seldom crosses borders; and, if all else >fails, the politicians and bureaucrats in one country can >shelter behind the excuse of treaty obligations that cannot be >unilaterally be cast off - not, at least, without consequences >more horrible than words exist to describe. Third, the >enforcement of international treaties means the growth of >what is in effect an international bureaucracy. The local >enforcers of a treaty may be citizens of the signatory states, >who will live and work in their home countries, and may >even occupy positions in the domestic administration. Yet >these are people who, by virtue of the agreements they >enforce, and the contacts they make and maintain in other >countries, are members of an international order. And, in >at least the case of money laundering, they will share an >agenda that is often deeply hostile to their native >institutions. > >This can be seen - expressed with almost naive honesty - in >the book by Messrs Bosworth-Davies and Saltmarsh. Both >are British police officers: the latter is a departmental head >at the National Criminal Intelligence Service. Both take it >for granted that the world needs an international police >force. Both are unable to believe that anyone can >disinterestedly object to the necessary harmonisations of >law, and the corresponding abolition of Common Law >protections. They "know one senior clearing banker who >has described this [money laundering] legislation as the >nearest thing he has experienced to >'McCarthyism'...".[p.172] Of course, they see things >differently. The legislation > > discloses, on mature reflection, a set of carefully > structured laws which, with good will, due > diligence and a modicum of responsible attention > from the industry as a whole, should not prove > too burdensome. Indeed, the authors believe that > some of the regulatory requirements have been > diluted too much already, in a misguided attempt > to placate the sensibilities of certain sectors of the > industry....[Ibid.] > >With people like this advising the politicians and lecturing >the rest of us, little wonder the Drug Trafficking Offences >Act predates the Vienna Convention by two years! Though >they will hotly disagree - and even perhaps consider a libel >writ - Messrs Bosworth-Davies and Saltmarsh cannot be >regarded as our countrymen. More at home in a gathering >of Bulgarian or Filipino police chiefs than with any of us, >they are foreigners with British passports. > >Somewhat less honest, though still interesting, is the >Explanatory Report of the Committee of Experts who >drafted the Council of Europe Convention [full text in >Gilmore, pp.192-237]. Though formally subordinate to a >committee of the various European Ministers of Justice, >these experts plainly saw their first duty as lying elsewhere. >Call it "the international community" or their own order, >their duty was collective and not to any single country. > >Look at their dislike of the narrow focus of the Vienna >Convention. They wanted something that would also allow >confiscation for > > terrorist offences, organised crime, violent crimes, > offences involving the sexual exploitation of > children and young persons, extortion, > kidnapping, environmental offences, economic > fraud, insider trading and other serious offences. > [Gilmore, p.204] > >But they had to concede that not every European country >might like its own laws against these acts to be written by >an international committee. And so they allowed each >signatory state to reserve whatever of these acts to its own >legislative process. > > The experts agreed, however, that such states > should review their legislation periodically and > expand the applicability of confiscation measures, > in order to be able to restrict the reservations > subsequently as much as possible. [Ibid.] > >And this is only the beginning. As yet, the shape of world >government exists barely in outline. But the tendency ought >to be plain. Power is moving from national - and mostly >democratic - governments to unaccountable and even >invisible bureaucracies. Liberal institutions that are often >the work of ages are being hammered into the transmitters >of unlimited power. We are beginning to known how >people in the Greek city states felt after absorption into the >Roman Empire. > >When the American militiamen cry out that the United >Nations is about to invade in black helicopters and plant >microcomputers in their bottoms, I am at least sceptical. >This is not the New World Order that I see. What I do see >is actually worse. We can shoot the helicopters down, and >dig out the microcomputers, and put the ringleaders on >trial. We can go about playing the hero of our choice from >Star Wars. But in the real world, there is no Death Star to >blow up - no Darth Vadar to push into the void. There is >just a huge, elastic network of people, all acting in what >they believe is the public good, most with some degree of >public support. > >How this kind of despotism can be resisted is another >question, and I have said enough already. But I will repeat >- the books here reviewed do repay a very close study. At >the very least, it is useful to see the enemy's future plan >laid out in such detail. > >Sean Gabb > >========================== >If you like Free Life Commentary, you may also care to >subscribe to my longer, hard copy journal: > >Free Life >The Libertarian Alliance >25 Chapter Chambers >London SW1P 4NN > >A 10 Pound subscription buys you four issues. > >========================== >Legal Notice: Though using the name Free Life, this >journal is owned by me and not by the Libertarian Alliance, >which in consequence bears no liability of whatever kind >for the contents. >-- >Sean Gabb | "Over himself, over his own | >E-mail: old.whig(a)virgin.net | mind and body, the individual| >Web Page: | is sovereign" | >http://freespace.virgin.net/old.whig/ | J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859 | > >-- >Chris R. 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Re: Encrypting Pagers is Easy! [Overview, technical tradeoffs, crypto]
by Gold Dot 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Y'all: Since I design pagers for a living, I thought I might comment on encryption in pagers. I've been thinking about encryption in pagers for several years now. RC4 was suggested, and it is probably a good choice for the low end microcontrollers used in pagers. The problem with encryption in pagers is not algorithms, hardware, software or even technology. The problem is getting awareness that there is a problem transmitting pages in the clear. Most people have no clue and I've seen not one request from a customer (meaning large paging companies) for encrypted pagers. A few more well-publisized hacks will help, though. Code space is at a premium in a pager, so widespread awareness of the inherent insecurity of paging protocols will be necessary to get encryption into the products. So, here's a project for any hacker with time on their hands. Input the audio signal from a garden variety scanner into your sound card (just about any variety will do) and decode the signal. It's just 4 level FM. I'd do it myself, but I value my job. :-) Or, if you're lazy and have money, buy yourself a SignalPro and decode two channels simulaneously. Then, scan paging systems in strategic locations and post the juicy tidbits to the 'net. TTFN, Gold Dot golddot(a)nym.alias.net "Gold is money, and nothing else is." -- some dead guy

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner Price Waterhouse rule DOOR-TO-DOOR SCHOOL SALES DEBATED AFTER BOY'S SLAYING Werner October 1, 1997 Web posted at: 10:02 p.m. EDT (0202 GMT) TOMS RIVER, New Jersey (CNN) -- During the school year, it's a scene that takes place across the United States -- children selling merchandise door-to-door, raising money to benefit their schools or activity groups. But now, the rape and murder of an 11-year-old New Jersey boy who tragically knocked on the wrong door has brought renewed attention to the issue of whether door-to-door sales should be discouraged, or even outlawed. Prosecutors say Edward Werner was attacked and murdered by a 15-year-old boy who opened the door at a house in Toms River. Edward hoped to win a walkie talkie by selling the most merchandise in a contest. Authorities say they know of no other connection between the victim and the teen who has been charged -- that it was a "chance encounter" brought about by Edward's door-to-door selling in what a prosecutor describes as a "very safe" neighborhood. The teen-ager was charged Wednesday with murder and aggravated sexual assault. Authorities did not release his name because he is a juvenile. Raising money for the PTA Schools and non-profit groups pull down an estimated $2 billion a year from product sales, and no state has a law restricting door-to-door fund-raising sales by school children. But in the wake of Edward's slaying, a New Jersey legislator has suggested a ban. Neighborhood Ironically, Edward was raising money for the PTA -- though the national Parent Teacher Association has a policy discouraging students from selling merchandise door-to-door. The sales kits provided to the students warned them to sell only to "family, friends and neighbors with whom you are familiar." The Association of Fund Raisers and Direct Sellers, a trade group representing about half of the estimated 1,500 companies that deal with school and youth groups, has also adopted a policy saying it does not endorse door-to-door sales. Instead, the association suggests that children sell to relatives, friends or neighbors they know, while having parents sell to their co-workers, according to Russell Lemieux, the association's executive director. "That's really the bulk of sales in fund raising," Lemieux said. "The instance of a child going door-to-door is quite rare." However, children are often offered incentives that encourage them to sell as much as they can -- incentives which could have a tendency to encourage, rather than discourage, door-to-door sales. "Our members say incentives ... make a big difference," Lemieux said. Robbery thought the motive When he was last seen, Edward had about $200 on him, and police say he had been showing that money to friends. Robbery is believed to have been a motive in his murder, but no robbery charge has been filed. In the wake of the tragedy Edward's school district has banned door-to-door sales, as green ribbons have begun to appear in his memory. Correspondent Christine Negroni contributed to this report. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Price Waterhouse rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So I'm putting together a special report featuring examples of illegal wiretapping by governments -- to show why we shouldn't trust them with mandatory domestic key escrow. Also illegal electronic surveillance, generally speaking. Especially more recent ones. Maybe non-U.S. examples too. Any suggestions? I'm thinking things like: MLKjr, Mrs. Roosevelt, _Irvine_, _Socialist Workers Party_, Dewey-FBI alliance, mail opening, Emma Goldman, Brownell's blanket microphone surveillance, _Katz_, _Alderman_, CISPES. -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Anonymous wrote: > Bill Stewart wrote: > >Latency is essential to security, though high volume reduces the > >latency that's needed to get a given level of security. > > Latency may be a means to get security in the current remailer design, > but it is a means to the end and not the end itself. This doesn't > mean we shouldn't use latency to get security, but it is undesirable, > like using cinderblocks for construction. The reason I point this out > is that it is important to separate design choices to achieve a goal > from the goal itself. > > If we had a remailer network in which each customer had a constant > bandwidth connection to one or more remailers, you could have zero > latency mail. (Actually, this would be nice to use with those Comsec > phones.) Or use something like anonymous broadcast. Send (fixed sized, constant rate) packets continuously around a fixed set of remailers. Messages may or may not be inserted into these packets, and with encryption it is impossible to tell which node inserted a message (and only until the packet completed the circuit could you tell - inside the machine originating the broadcast). Messages would be resent through the set of remailers, and could be PK encrypted to one of the other nodes. With the broadcast being anonymous, the reciever within the set cannot know who it came from (and theoretically because it is encrypted, no one could know who it is to except the sender, and you can do something to create anonymous target packets). You would still need some mixing for low usage times (or wait for N messages and circulate a control "forward now" message, so that 10 messages come in sequentially and are held, and then at an even interval, 10 messages go out from random nodes.

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http:--www.cnn.com-US-9710-01-shooting.update-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner Visit Regal at Buick.com rule TEEN KILLS 2 AT SCHOOL; MOTHER FOUND DEAD AT HOME Woodham October 1, 1997 Web posted at: 3:38 p.m. EDT (1938 GMT) PEARL, Mississippi (CNN) -- A Mississippi teen-ager slashed his mother's throat Wednesday morning before going on a shooting rampage at his high school that left two students dead and at least six wounded, authorities said. The high school junior, Luke Woodham, was arrested and charged with three counts of murder shortly after the shooting at Pearl High School, about three miles east of the state capital, Jackson. Police Chief Bill Slade choked back tears as he told reporters, "This was a disgruntled girlfriend-boyfriend thing... We talked to the youth. He gave us a statement and his manifesto was that he felt he had been wronged." _______________________________________________________________ A L S O : Message Board: Violence in U.S. Schools _______________________________________________________________ Pearl Mayor Jimmy Foster describes what happened icon 308K/27 sec. AIFF or WAV sound Pearl Police Chief Bill Slade explains what measures will be taken to help traumatized students icon 219K/20 sec. AIFF or WAV sound One student's mother is shocked icon 255KB/19 sec. AIFF or WAV sound A former girlfriend of the suspect was one of two students killed at the school. Slade also said police suspect that the student had killed his mother, Mary T. Woodham, 50, at home earlier Wednesday by slashing her throat. The shooting happened about 8:10 a.m. as buses were arriving at the school. David Williams, a sophomore, said the gunman walked into the commons area inside the front of the school, pulled a rifle from his jacket and opened fire. "He was shooting anybody he could find. He shot at me and hit the staircase," said Mark Wilkerson, a freshman. "I saw fragments going everywhere." Medic offering help One student described the accused youth as reserved. "He was a very quiet person," said Alan Burrow. Four wounded students, ranging in age from 14 to 18, were taken to Rankin Medical Center in Brandon, Mississippi, where one student had already been treated and released. Grieving students gathered in hospital waiting rooms. "The injuries are non-critical gunshot wounds," hospital spokesman Mark Lee said. "In layman's terms they are flesh wounds." Officials shut down the school almost immediately after the shooting and sent all students home. Rhonda Marks, a spokeswoman at River Oaks Hospital, said two students had been brought into the hospital for treatment. Marks did not know if the hospital would receive any more wounded. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Visit Regal at Buick.com rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/97 4:20 PM, Cynthia Brown (cynthb(a)sonetis.com) passed this wisdom: >I agree wholeheartedly. Uncontrolled guns do not solve problems, >they create them. If most households have at least one firearm, it >makes it that much easier for a criminal to obtain one by stealing >yours while you are at work. > >Canada may be regulated to death according to most libertarians, >but I for one like it that way. I can walk alone and unarmed at >night in Ottawa, Toronto, etc. without fearing for my life. Can a >female resident of Washington or New York say the same? Our schools >do not have metal detectorsat the entrances because they are not >needed. I live in the state of Vermont, where we have more guns per household than most of the states in the US. We are one of the only (if not *the* only) states in the Union that permits concealed carry without requiring a permit (with the not surprising exceptions of USG buildings and schools). Our record high murder year was a few years ago, twenty three murders (that high because we had a woman go crazy at the Eveready plant in Bennington and killed five people in one sitting) in more recent years the figure generally stays under ten per year ...three years ago the figure was five and only one of them was with a gun ... a shotgun, not a handgun. We go where we please with little fear as well; It has to do with a frame of mind, a set of values, not with a lack of availability or opportunity. There is something to be said for living in a place where a man can come right down off the hills during deer season and walk into a liquor store with a shotgun to buy a bottle of hooch without drawing a SWAT team! Try that in NYC or Toronto! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDMWG8dZgC62U/gIEQLX+gCfZ+GzaNlvSx+xQPszw8cD/1VrDxkAoJ7Y aESM15SJSCwdbYKjDRG2zCIi =69FK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day, but give him a case of dynamite and soon the village will be showered with mud and seaweed and unidentifiable chunks of fish." -Joe Chew

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Re: Forwarded mail...
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/97 9:03 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >Why is the situation more stable if both parties are armed? If I >were confronted by a armed burglar and we were facing off I would >pull the trigger as soon as I got a lock. If their gun wasn't in a >ready position Iwould warn them and if they so much as flinched I'd >drop them. If they wereunarmed I might beat them senseless with the >gun but I would not shoot themunless they made a motion to rush me, >then I would go for a non-lethal shotunless the distance was less >than a dozen feet (rushing distance) or so >in ... nothing personal, but why is it people keep deluding themselves with the idea that they can shoot to wound. You cannot know what a shot will do ... if you shoot someone the odds are pretty high that you will kill him or seriously injure. You cannot count on 'non-lethally' wounding anyone. Leg shots have a very high incidence of hitting bone and deflecting up into the torso and really raising havoc. A shot to the thigh could easily hit the femoral artery and a total bleedout .... if you are going to shoot assume your are going to kill, if the guys lives, then you get to sleep a little easier that night and later. I hear so much talk about killing like its something really easy to do ... it isn't ... unfortunately it gets easier each time, and the sleeping gets tougher ... the only consolation to the bad dreams is that it means you haven't lost your humanity, yet! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDMc3sdZgC62U/gIEQKPVACgnbr0UQGw0Lx8j7tJhOii6bVWB/MAnjM6 euuGEBAmFLhxWsULQLNTOFSs =LFzV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...Those of you who turned your swords into plowshares will soon find yourselves under the yokes of those of us who kept our swords..." -- author unknown

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Remailers and ecash
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given: We want more (reliable) remailers But someone has to pay for them Conjecture: New remailers can be financed by charging the users a fee per message to use the remailers. If a remailer charges a fee, the number of users will be reduced to those who are willing to pay the fee. When the number of users is reduced, the potential for traffic analysis is increased, which reduces the value of the remailer. If the value of the remailer is reduced, it will not be worth the cost to many users, and those users will seek a less expensive, higher traffic remailer. Thus, the commercial remailer is forced to lower its prices until it is unprofitable. Conclusion: Pay-per-message commecial remailers are not economically viable. Hence we need a new economic model to finance remailers. Several have been proposed: - Advertiser supported - Pay a flat fee per month for remailer access - Everyone a remailer. Remailers only accept messages from other remailers. To use remailers you must run a remailer. - Get companies to run remailers on their firewalls to reduce traffic analysis by competitors/spies - Pay for access to an anonymous message pool - Sell a spam filtering service to fund remailers - Sell a spamming service to fund remailers - Sell cpu cycles in exchange for remailer access - Charge people for extra services, such as low-latency - Pay for a nym account, nymserver subsidizes remailers - Have the money launderers subsidize the remailers - Somehow get all those Mac users to pay - Offer $50 to the first person to set up a remailer, as Monty Cantsin did - Fund social programs for universal remailer access and universal health care like Cynthia wants

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