December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News
by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Although you can never completely eliminate it, technological fixes to do velocity checking, source IP address profiling, etc., seem so obvious I just don't see how this can be any sort of insurmountable problem... It should have been obvious from the start that you would have a lot more people trying to steal service from a porn site than from, say, a Disney site. Donald On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Robert Hettinga wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:47:10 -0400 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News > > --- begin forwarded text > > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:01:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> > X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > > [We include links to sites with porn passwords in today's story, BTW. > --Declan] > > ******* > > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1015,00.html > > The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) > June 4, 1997 > > Porn Free > by Chris Stamper and Greg Lindsay (thenetlynews(a)pathfinder.com) > > Sexfilms.com used to be a small, members-only adult site > that shipped full-frame videos over a super-fast T-3 line. Traffic on > the site was comfortably low for about a year, owner Ray Alba says, > until one name -- "Joe Camaro" -- started appearing with some > frequency. Actually, it started appearing 500 times a minute. From > Sweden, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore -- just about anywhere. Somebody > was passing out the password. > > Download speeds faltered, from 300K/sec to 6K/sec. And then the > servers themselves began to crash. Finally, Alba had to shut down the > site for several weeks to clear out Camaro and numerous other accounts > that had leaked out to the Net. Alba was the latest victim of... Porn > Piratz! > > A huge number of passwords to pay-only porn sites are loose on > the Net. Just surf newsgroups like alt.sex.passwords or do a simple > search through a typical web engine and long lists of logins are easy > to find. Some of these logins are giveaways from people who ponied up > the low, one-time-only flat fees that many sites charge. Others, > apparently, were obtained with phony credit card numbers. Who knows > how Porn Piratz get the rest. But they do: A Hustler executive told us > that Hustler's sites have seven times its paid membership logging on > every day. > > [...] > > --- end forwarded text > > > > ----------------- > Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox > e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ > > > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". > ===================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 508-287-4877(tel) dee(a)cybercash.com 318 Acton Street +1 508-371-7148(fax) dee(a)world.std.com Carlisle, MA 01741 USA +1 703-620-4200(main office, Reston, VA) http://www.cybercash.com http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html

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IRS Hit
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

5 June 1997, NYP: A federal judge in Denver has awarded $250,000 in punitive damages to a woman whose family business was raided by armed Internal Revenue Service agents four weeks after the woman insulted an IRS agent. The revenue agents padlocked all three Kids Avenue clothing stores in Colorado Springs, and posted notices that some customers interpreted as evidence that the woman, Carole Ward, 49, was a drug smuggler. In a harshly worded 17-page opinion, Judge William Downes of the U.S. District Court in Denver found that one of the IRS agents, James Dolan, was "grossly negligent" and acted with "reckless disregard" for the law, and that he made three false statements in a sworn declaration. The judge, who said the actions by the IRS agents violated Ms. Ward's privacy rights, wrote that the punitive damages award "gives notice to the IRS that reprehensible abuse of authority by one of its employees cannot and will not be tolerated." ----- Full story at: http://jya.com/irshit.htm

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Re: IRS Hit
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <1.5.4.32.19970605134956.008db240(a)pop.pipeline.com>, on 06/05/97 at 08:49 AM, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> said: >In a harshly worded 17-page opinion, Judge William Downes of the U.S. >District Court in Denver found that one of the IRS agents, James Dolan, >was "grossly negligent" and acted with "reckless disregard" for the law, >and that he made three false statements in a sworn declaration. So why is James Dolan still working for the IRS? Why is he not under enditement for perjury? Oh I forgot Federal Agents are "just a group of humans" so I guess we shouldn't expect the laws of the land to apply to them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5bMt49Co1n+aLhhAQGn0wQAuG0n4ppXx5QdtNQrrcB4drcbkbDkpcdV 0L28z5zWbbidfz2Mq8wS2HLG01NLPd/6NFDF8EYpezBfpGv9O3SIm3WvhbzhvJOP jEVGUZdNVM+RA3gAMzrBMoiEiIrFfaFO/3615dSHPLpa3NWmbf+QDnVRXFIO1Rxp kFttB1pjRjM= =Vx80 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Interesting article.
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Full story at http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,11249,00.html?latest Leaders want crypto rules lifted. By Reuters June 5, 1997, 7 a.m. PT WASHINGTON--Computer industry captains called on President Clinton yesterday to drop efforts to regulate data-encryption technologies, a move the FBI warned would cripple law enforcement and leave the country more vulnerable to terrorism. In an open letter to Clinton, Bill Gates, chairman and chief executive officer of Microsoft, and 12 other industry titans said U.S. competitiveness in electronic commerce was at stake in the debate. ---------------- Peter Trei

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RE: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:50 PM -0700 6/4/97, Paul Bradley wrote: >> Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said : >> >> For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs. > >True, code will lead to further liberation in the virtual communities, >but bombs are an effective device for ending the corrupt tyrannical >government that rules us. It is my contention that, in the present circumstances, bombs are not effective devices for ending the corrupt tyrannical government which rules us. They are much more likely to make enemies for "our cause" than they are to physically stop the government. Does the phrase, "Bomb throwing anarchist" give you the feeling of hero, or of villain? Most people will answer villain, and killing people is not likely to change their minds. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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(Fwd) RE: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by Peter Nicol - VRL / BroomStick Productions 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:50 PM -0700 6/4/97, Paul Bradley wrote: >> Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said : >> >> For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs. > >True, code will lead to further liberation in the virtual communities, >but bombs are an effective device for ending the corrupt tyrannical >government that rules us. It is my contention that, in the present circumstances, bombs are not effective devices for ending the corrupt tyrannical government which rules us. They are much more likely to make enemies for "our cause" than they are to physically stop the government. Does the phrase, "Bomb throwing anarchist" give you the feeling of hero, or of villain? Most people will answer villain, and killing people is not likely to change their minds. Anyone head of Non-Violent Action (NVA) ? Seems to me writing and disseminating Code is a pretty effective form of NVA Peter Nicol Global Media Magnet nicol(a)iap.net.au 019 111 943 "Nonlinear models differ form linear ones in a number of ways. Rather than trying to figure out all the chains of causality, the modeler looks for nodes where feedback loops join and tries to capture as many of the important loops as possible in the system's "picture." Rather than shaping the model to make a forecast about future events or to exercise some central control, the nonlinear modeller is content to perturb the model, trying out different variations in order to learn about the system's critical points and its homeostasis (resitance to change). The modeler is not seeking to control the complex system by quantifying it and mastering its causality; she wants to increase her "intuitions" about how the system works so she can interact with it more harmoniously."

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Body Bunker Usage
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Although you can never completely eliminate it, technological fixes to do >velocity checking, source IP address profiling, etc., seem so obvious I >just don't see how this can be any sort of insurmountable problem... Agreed but see bellow >It should have been obvious from the start that you would have a lot more >people trying to steal service from a porn site than from, say, a Disney >site. I think the problem is that a large number of the people who run porn sites are neither technically sophisticated nor well funded. I suspect that many do not know how to write a program and can't afford hiring someone to do it for them. Its a business where there are low barriers to entry and there are a very large number of competitors. One way of discouraging new entrants is to claim that there are major technical problems... Phill

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"Clinton has done a great deal for Intel"--more trolling
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:03 AM -0700 6/5/97, Kent Crispin wrote: >Clinton has a *very* successful career as a politician, and has done >a great deal for Intel, in that role. And he is a great family man ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >who also gets along well with a host of people. Another absurdity. Clinton is the President. There is _nothing_ of any significance Intel has ever sought from the government. Except for the government to get off its back. When I was there the government was in fact very frustrated with Intel for not entering the "mil-spec" market in any serious way. The government wanted to buy 8080s, 8086s, etc., and we said, "Fine, send us an order. We'll even charge you $500 more per chip if you want us to shake them around at a lot of Gs, cook 'em in a pressure pot, and then stamp them "MIL-SPEC." We refused government contracts. I did some volunteer work (a few days) for them on directed energy weapons, some work for DARPA and the Naval Research Lab, but there was no charge for this, and certainly no "help" for Intel from the then-President. Intel also was a reluctant participant in the g-job labs, including the MCC in Austin (never a real member), and only in the last few years has it bowed to the inevitable by undertaking some joint efforts with the labs it has so heavily been taxed for. To call this "help from Clinton" is absurd. (By the way, Andy Grove and Gordon Moore were supporters of Bush in '92 and of Dole in '96. They actively opposed the "Clinton-friendly lobby" in the Valley, the John Sculleys and whatnot who hobnobbed with Clinton. Clinton I'm sure does not see Intel as his ally in any way.) More trolling from Crispin. Why am I not surprised? ---Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Christian IP Network / Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Deters wrote: > (This brings to mind another solution: "The Christian IP Network. > Guaranteed to not deliver unto you the E-vil packets of the Demons of > Pornographers, Terrorists, Narcotics Traffickers, Money Launderers or > Cypherpunks. We're the ISP that delivers only Family-Valued, God-Blessed > and Jesus-Approved packets to your customers. Send lots of money now, > censors are standing by." If Jesus has a sense of humor, then when he comes back he will make the announcement only on sites blocked by CyberSitter. (I will forward the announcement to the list for the benefit of those list members whose subscription to the "Hot Teenage Sluts" website has expired.) SlutMonger

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Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I frequently find myself explaining to the uninitiated the whole crypto mess, and have come up with a line of arguments which I find work fairly effectively. Basically, I take the tack that strong encryption will help prevent crime, espionage, and terrorism, while weak and/or GAKed crypto will promote it. There are good arguements for this position. We lock our houses, cars, etc. This activity is promoted by the police as a crime prevention measure, although it unquestionably makes it more difficult for them to serve search warrants, etc. They realize that good locks prevent far more crime than would their unfettered access to unlocked property. Crypto works the same way as good locks, but in the data sphere. While it would clearly make court-authorized wiretaps more difficult (but not impossible), it also stops the far more frequent unauthorized interception of messages by criminals (whether in or out of government). At this point I usually give some recent examples of losses that might have been prevented by good crypto - cell phone cloning fraud and eavesdropping, the recent credit card sniffer, etc. Going back a couple of years, some hackers on the west coast modified major backbone routers to record ftp and telnet passwords, etc. If the audience is aware of the putative info-war threat, I can work that in as another threat that good crypto can put a stop to. If the question arises 'well, why does the FBI, etc, seem so worried about the widespread use of crypto?', I have a response. "There's an old saying: 'When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that you're trying to drain the swamp.'" We have law enforcement agencies because we want people and their property to be safer. However, the FBI and other LEAs actually do very little to directly *prevent* crime; almost all of their efforts are post-facto, designed to catch criminals, or make it easier to catch them, *after* they've already committed one or more offences. While a criminal in jail is only rarely a menace to society at large, most criminals get away with many crimes before they are caught - if this was not the case, there would be no such thing as a 'career criminal'. LEAs have little motivation to prevent crime - there is not much career or budget boost in a robbery which did not take place, a murder which was not committed, or a spy who could not get the data he sought. Widespread and effective use of good crypto acts before the fact, preventing crimes from occuring in the first place. While it certainly would make some wiretaps more difficult (and here I bring up the very low number of wiretaps preformed in the US compared to the number of crimes), on the balance it is clear that the use of good security is a win. If you ask most people if they had a choice between a high crime rate with some of the criminals being caught, and a much lower crime rate with a slightly higher chance of them getting away, most people who are not part of the LEA establishment will instantly opt for the latter. As for GAK, there are two basic arguements I use. First, I ask them how they would feel if their town required that copies of all house, car, and file cabinet keys be deposited with the local cops 'just in case they need to serve a search warrant'. Most people are rightly appalled by the idea. Secondly, I describe the idea of key escrow agencies and "TTPs", and how they would create huge storehouses of private keys. I point out what a target of opportunity these archives would provide to criminals and spies - by compromising the security of a single site, they could unlock the private, confidential information of thousands of individuals and corporations. Depending on the audience, I might bring up Filegate, Aldrich Ames, the Walker case, etc, to demonstrate that even the government can't be relied on to keep secrets ("despite their best intentions"), and re-emphasize the catastrophic single-point-of-failure that GAK represents. In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK without ever getting near sounding anti-government; in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Mr. Gates goes to Washington, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Mr. Gates goes to Washington, from The Netly News ********** http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1022,00.html The Netly News Network June 5, 1997 Mr. Gates Goes to Washington by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) For Siliconaires like Bill Gates of Microsoft, Eric Schmidt of Novell and Jeff Papows of Lotus, Washington is a city made pleasant by absence. They view its labyrinthine bureaucracies and hidebound institutions as something between a minor hindrance and an insurmountable obstacle to the important business of making profits, not public policy. So it was no surprise to see the high-tech trio join seven other executives yesterday at the National Press Club to rail against the Clinton administration's restrictions on overseas sales of encryption products. This Billionaire Boys' Club was especially keen on praising two bills that would generally relax export rules. "We clearly support the House and the Senate bills that are on the Hill in their original form. Getting reform done now is a huge priority for all of us," said one. "There are bills in the House and the Senate that are totally acceptable, and if those bills are passed they'd solve the problem," another added. But perhaps Bill Gates should have spent less time writing BASIC interpreters and more time in civics classes, because these bills are far from perfect. In fact, they may be downright dangerous. [...]

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Re: The New War
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/oc-abs.html Denning thinks export of authentication and signature technology is OK, but she draws the line at encryption. This sounds fine, but what happens when new technologies don't fit into these neat boxes? How about blind signatures? Those are used to create anonymous electronic cash systems. How comfortable will Denning be when criminals can set up their own anonymous payment systems? Would blind signature technology be allowed for export today? How about zero knowledge protocols? These can be used to show different kinds of anonymous credentials and can be used to build anonymous cash systems in their own right. Generally, they enhance privacy by allowing the parties to reveal only the information which is specifically necessary for a transaction. Would zero knowledge software be allowed for export today? How about multiparty computations, or oblivious transfer, or blob commitments, or any of the other building blocks of tomorrow's crypto technology? What is the export status of these going to be? Will Congress have experts who put each piece under a microscope and try to judge whether it will be used for good purposes or bad? It can't be done. As well allow exporting the letter "a" but not "i" since "i" is part of "kill". This attempt to split cryptology into good and bad technologies won't work. Knowledge space doesn't work that way. It's probably not even going to be possible to identify what is crypto and what isn't. It's all a matter of dealing with information in various ways. Cypherpunks can expose this confusion by implementing other protocols and trying to get them exported. Go beyond old-fashioned signatures and encryption. These are mainstream today. Stay on the edge, be ahead of the curve. Do something new. John

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e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:31:10 -0400 From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly At 10:18 pm -0400 on 6/4/97, Tim May wrote on cypherpunks: > Chaum said he had to agree that these were good examples, and that he'd > think about the issue furhter. He speculated during his panel presentation > that possibly a mechanism could be found to allow such vendor or seller > anonymity for _educational_ and similar materials, but not for other > things...Froomkin and I were incredulous. Sheesh. Silly "exemptions" to seller anonymity like this one indicate to me that Chaum & Co. will *never* license the blind signature patent to anyone with an actual useful purpose for it. We're all going to have to sit around for another 10 years until that patent's unencumbered for there to be any valid market for anonymous digital cash -- or the other kinds of instantly-settled digital bearer certificates that the patent enables. I suppose that's justice, as it means that Chaum & Co. aren't going to make any money on the blind signature patent, either. If they don't wake up, that 10 years will be over soon enough. In about 5 years or so, just about the time this round of financing fantasy runs out, potential developers will probably just decide to stick it out for the remaining 5 years they don't have to pay a royalty. Digicash, Inc., will become yet another a $10 million (at last estimate) technology rathole. That $10 million, of course, doesn't include the current purchasers of the technology, who are being left high and dry by Digicash's inability to understand what market they are in. First a bank, then a software company, now a credit card association equivalent (onk?!), Digicash never has figured out that the only thing they are is a financial cryptography company. The first, and best, of course, but still financial cryptographers. Like Dolby, they should only license and certify applications of the technology they invent. Period. Chaum could have done that easily enough, say, $9.5 million and 10 years ago. He would have gotten to keep all the family money he sunk into fun stuff like the Digicash Building in the Netherlands and sales offices all over the planet, because all he needed were a few cryptographers and licensing lawyers. He would have probably gotten at least triple the $9.5 million of shareholder equity that he wasted, all back in actual revenue over the intervening years. Without spending a dime more in further capitalization. He would have gotten a gross return on that $500k 1987 investment of say, (30mil/500k ) = 6000%, just on earnings alone. If he went public in the interim, a conservative estimate of market capitalization, assuming a simple linear revenue growth curve (yielding a current revenue of $6 million a year) and a very conservative P/E ratio of 10, gives us (6mil*10)= $60million. That's probably before the internet commerce hockey-stick earnings kicked in, much less the rediculuous Netscape-era P/E ratios internet companies now command. In engage in a little market-speak, "what an incredible bungle of a unique value proposition". ;-). Anyway, the Greater Fool Theory of Digicash has been proven once again, with Chaum's own words as relayed by Mr. May. Now maybe we know why J. Pierpont Morgan fired Edison from General Electric. Hmmm... And why Negroponte fired *Chaum*? Hey! Maybe there is hope? Naaaaah.... Notice, of course, that Dr. Dolby (or his estate and heirs) probably still owns his company, and is doing very well, thank you. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? 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Kill the children!
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When the United States Government murdered the child of Saddam Hussein the common American attitude was "broken eggs, and all that." I know because I lamented the act and was roundly criticized as an idiot who didn't understand how the real world works, etc., etc, justify, justify. When the chickens come home to roost, however, after yet another U.S. Government act of aggression, there is a great hue and cry throughout the land about only a "monster" could kill children. Suddenly, the lives of children become so precious and sacrosanct that those responsible for taking those lives must be given supreme punishment. God bless Timothy McVeigh for exposing the mindless hypocrisy of the American people, as well as the _mindful_ hypocrisy of the Government Rulers of Amerika. Billy Graham, as the populist representative of Christianity, visits the White House but we are little likely to see him visiting McVeigh because some children's lives seem to be more precious than others, and those who take them are subject to different moral judgments. A famous newspaper correspondent received a telegram from his editor questioning his expense report, which listed a huge bill for a breakfast which included caviar. The reporter telegraphed back, "Eggs is eggs." The message of the American people and the U.S. Government is being received loud and clear: "American eggs are more precious than foreign eggs. The eggs of _normal_ (translate=="mainstream") Americans are more precious than _aberrant_ (translate--"cult") eggs." The message of the American news media is loud and clear: "Break some lifeless buildings with your bombs and we will make you a side dish in the back pages of some minor publication. Break enough eggs and we will make an omlette big enough to feed the entire world." Waco was nothing more than a "wake-up call" that many Americans slept through. Timothy MvVeigh did not--he woke up and crowed loud enough for all of us to hear. The American government, people and press, however, want merely to shut him up and go back to sleep, pretending that there still isn't enough light to see their own sins and rectify them. There are no telling how many lives could be saved if the press wrote meaningfully about the inevitability of chickens coming home to roost instead of supporting the notion that the solution to a crowing cock is to cut his head off. There are other roosters in the barnyard. There will be more sunrises. Americans are now loudly calling for McVeigh to receive an electrical message complaining about the high cost of the breakfast bill on the expense report he provided us. I wouldn't be surprised if his final words were, "Eggs is eggs." Anne Accountant

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TV Commercial
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today on TV, I saw an advertisement. Image: Two ships exchanging searchlight-type signals. Voiceover: It's common sense, really. You should be able to communicate with anyone without worring about the security of your communications. Sprint PCS. Secure digital communications. It's nice to see that a large multinational corporation is publicly expousing cypherpunk attitudes. (The reality of their phones is not as encouraging, but...) -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "In Washington DC, officials from the White House, federal agencies and Congress say regulations may be necessary to promote a free-market system." -- CommunicationsWeek International April 21, 1997

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Founding Fathers & Federalism
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Joseph Sobran Founding fathers thought the federal government should be kept on a short leash The word "federalism" is enjoying a new vogue these days, as Republicans promise to give power "back to the states." But the way the power is given "back" has little to do with what the founding fathers meant by "federalism." In the current welfare reform bill, for example, the states are given power to regulate welfare programs, but with strings attached. The power is considered to come from the federal government, which supposedly "grants" it to the states. This is a reversal of what our ancestors meant by federalism - namely, that the states were the source of the federal government's powers. The states, through the Constitution, "delegated" a few carefully specified powers to the federal government. Whatever wasn't delegated was "reserved" to the states and the people. The federal government was supposed to be kept on a short leash, lest it claim powers never given to it. Today it routinely claims countless powers unmentioned in the Constitution. When a national health-care program is proposed, for example, we no longer ask the basic question: Just where does the Constitution grant this power? Answer: Nowhere. Then how did the federal government acquire so many unlisted powers? By the insidious process of "consolidation," which the Constitution was meant to prevent. So why didn't the Constitution prevent it? Because the federal government systematically reinterpreted the Constitution in its own favor. In the 1798 Kentucky Resolutions, Thomas Jefferson warned that the federal government must never be allowed to become the final arbiter of the extent of its own powers. His warning was disregarded. Eventually the Supreme Court was allowed to treat the Constitution as a "living document" - one whose meaning was not fixed but fluid, alterable at the discretion of those currently in power. Of course this defeats the whole purpose of a Constitution, or indeed any written law. What would a truly federal system look like? The possibilities are infinite. If the states were permitted to keep their individuality, we might have a checkerboard of socialist and free economies, instead of a single "mixed" economy imposed on all. Americans who preferred a welfare state, even if it meant higher taxes, might move to New York; Americans who preferred laissez-faire might migrate to Texas. In the long run, the states that imposed too many burdens on their citizens would lose population, business and finally tax monies to freer states. A federal system would create a sort of "market" in states, with citizens as consumers choosing among them. To the founders it was axiomatic, that government should be limited not only in the number of powers it exercised, but in the extent of territory it ruled. The small and local were preferable to the vast and national. If one state or local government should exceed its proper powers, citizens should be able to escape it without leaving the continent. "Federalism" has come to sound complex, abstract and technical. But it's a simple principle: Keep power as local as possible. Give a central government very few powers, and hold it strictly to them. The idea will become vivid to anyone who reads the Federalist Papers, the writings of the Anti-Federalists, the works of Jefferson, and of course the Constitution itself. The whole debate over ratifying the Constitution revolved around the question whether the federal government, given a few powers, would proceed to "usurp" more power - tyrannical power. All sides in the ratification debate would have agreed that the federal government should never be permitted to reach, or even approach, the size and scope it has achieved in the late 20th century. The chief difference between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists is that the Federalists insisted that it could never happen under the Constitution. History has proved the Anti-Federalists right. It's a scandal that so few realize this. It's also an indictment of our educational system, which blandly purveys the view that America's history has been one of smooth continuity and "progress." The more the Constitution is disregarded, the more we're assured that it's being "fulfilled." The remedy isn't private militias. It's guerrilla education, to ensure that our children learn what the schools won't teach them. Joseph Sobran is a syndicated columnist. 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by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[36]NASA's Ames Research Center hosted the federal government's briefing today in hopes of roping in commercial technology partners to help build the Clinton Administration's three-year, $3 million NGI initiative. The NGI initiative aims to build a faster, smarter Internet, creating new applications and networking technologies to improve communication among the nation's academic and research centers. In some cases, NGI will route data at 1,000 times the speed of today's network, and will be able to store bandwidth for real-time data transmission. The audience laughed when the videoconferencing connection from Washington to the Techmart in Santa Clara crashed. But the White House's senior director of the National Economic Council, Thomas Kalil, spun the mishap into a plea for his cause. "This certainly shows why dependability and reliability need to be a priority for the Next Generation Internet," Kalil said when he finally got connected. 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Webpage anti-abortion picketing...
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > I no more want to slap more spin doctor > output in front of others than to have to look at it myself. I was mainly > trying to make a prediction about the future and then seeing, if reasonable, > how long it took. > > It occurs to me that somebody with the right > motivation might want to claim that they have a right to put a box on such a > backbone (ie stand on the sidewalk in front of the store) and scrape for > particular addresses (ie the business they want to picket). This is precisely why we should fight all efforts of the government to get their foot in the door in regard to control of the internet. I have no doubt that the government will at some point bestow upon some element of the internet a "gift" of funding of some type that they will proclaim is for the public benefit. Their true purpose, naturally, will be to give Joe Grapepicker legal standing to apply to a judge to uphold his "right" to picket the Safeway website. The fact of the matter is, we are currently free to do much as we wish to on the internet. Some call this freedom. Unfortunately, it can also be called "freedom from government interference," which is an anathema to those in power. As long as cypherpunks Timothy McMay and Dimitri Nichols conspire only to promote electronic freedom on the list, then the rest of the decent, law-abiding cypherpunks are probably relatively safe. Should they choose to begin promoting abortion on the list, however, this could change rapidly. (It just occured to me that censorship promoters could be considered to be "Electronic Abortion Activists." Perhaps we need a new censorship ASSociation to be formed, called the EAA, with Jerry Falwell, et al, as its TITular HEADs, and with chapters throughout the CoUNTry.) TruthMonger

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Re: 0,4,11276,00.html?dtn.head
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706052359.TAA30048(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu>, on 06/05/97 at 07:59 PM, Damaged Justice <frogfarm(a)yakko.cs.wmich.edu> said: >[36]NASA's Ames Research Center hosted the federal government's > briefing today in hopes of roping in commercial technology partners to > help build the Clinton Administration's three-year, $3 million NGI > initiative. > This is yet another example of the Federal Government interfering with the free market. The govenrment is not needed to *fix* the Internet backbone. If the various labs, schools, ..ect need bigger and faster connections then they need to dig into their pockets and, god forbid, pay for it! I see absolutly no reason why I as joe sixpack taxpayer should have to fund through my tax dollars some multi gigabyte backbone that I am not even allowed to use!!! <sigh> Hopfully the revolution will come in my lifetime. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5dmvI9Co1n+aLhhAQFl3gQAg9OwmnhCgnkjRrq5bIRlaV39ofKterLf 13H47nGxUTI41SOePmwTDAUTlapAPRnPywSCX5J3v4Us/ZRa9KFN7pacqUoQmcnC 3K6Ouc1F3rFiH50zRi3XWkxS7OY3WZAep97s4dd1cXOM74iP6glY8e7psyMdGYbk ML3Vlfgv3nc= =Nvku -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Government money, Net picketing, and public fora (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 13:48:59 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Government money, Net picketing, and public fora (fwd) > You're not doing very well. I can see a number of possible meanings: > > 1) You want to be able to "picket" other people's net traffic, > and think that the amount of government funding out there gives you some > standing to force some parts of the net to carry your "picket signs". > And therefore you keep posting similar vigorous assertions, in response > to other people's contentions that this would be bad. You have been paying NO attention at all, no wonder you are having a hard time trying to figure it out. Concentrate now, I DO NOT want to picket anyone for anything at anytime. I have better things to do with my time like spend my money in another store. It HAS been my contention from my original post that I DO NOT think this is a good idea. I am going to decline responding to the remiander of this since it is a waste of my meta-carpal tunnel syndrome. [much inattentive blah deleted] _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Who "invented" remailers?
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <3.0.1.32.19970605181309.00767c08(a)popd.ix.netcom.com>, on 06/05/97 at 06:13 PM, Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> said: >Suppose, for instance, that the Feds (whatever COINTELPRO calls >themselves these days) are watching Alice the Activist, and find that >she's using Bob's Remailer. So they watch Bob's Remailer, and find it's >sending traffic to Carol(a)foobar.com. Maybe they haven't known about her >before. Or maybe they check with foobar.com and find she's probably Carol >the Commie, who they hadn't previously known used email. No, they can't >prove that Alice sent mail to Carol - but she's still a lead, and since >they're both politically incorrect people, it's not a bad guess. >Even with multiple remailers, say 10, this still works. Well I guess I should let the cat out of the bag, :) I have been working on addressing this very problem. I haven't had time to write a formal paper on this but I can give you some of the basics. It makes use of a stego of sorts. Alice would post a message to a non threating mailing list. In that list certain key words would be misspelled. Carol would use these key words to tell her to look for a certain message posted anonymously & encrypted in a newsgroup (stego in a gif file to a binary group works quite well). Now it would be possiable to track that Alice was sending messages to a remailer there would be no way to track that Carol was receiving these messages. At best it would be know that Carol was a reader of alt.binaries.japan.cartoons or some other non-threating newsgroup. Now this requires both Carol & Alice to be running the same software for generating the spelling stegos and interperting them. It helps if Alice has the reputation of being a very bad speller (ha and you all laughed at my spelling mistakes). The use of a special dictionary that contains common mispellings of common words is a great aid but I have yet to find one in electronic form. An OTP should be generated and used as a seed to the software to keep the two systems in synch. This can be encrypted & stegoed and posted to a pre-selected newsgroup. Once the inital synching of the two systems have been acomplished new pads can be generated and distributed by the same mechanisims. This does not protect Alice from comming under the guns for using a remailer nor does it provide a way for Carol to reply. The anonymous remailers could be completly bypassed and both Carrol and Alice could do all communication through stegoed newsgroup postings. Alos mailing list need not be used but the plaintext messages could be posted via newsgroups. There is a reliabilty issue going this route (from my personal experaince mailing list are more reliable than newsgroups YMMV). The details of applying such a system is more complex but the above gives you the basics of it. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5d+s49Co1n+aLhhAQEwUAP9EzMOcL0c10ZiF6BrbJ6unXTIbXaJ8zIp 7c2wVdcF81HBMbYXkloyCJGfekRpH+hFN6Ga85XHQ3iS/SD4PUykWx/rrGT6y3Ws fzvbQ3ST3IR7VBYqtHb49aNNhcr3yg6S5ecp3IXi49WNxi4A+mLQ80omB/mGSEC2 0PA1fDH3bMA= =wa// -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Traffic Analysis Re: Who "invented" remailers?
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > It all depends on: > > - how many other messages are being received by Lucky and Tim (PGP messages > arriving from remailers, obviously, not just ordinary traffic, though > ordinary traffic helps a bit) A remailer system could have a mechanized procedure for ensuring that those who wished could receive cover mail at certain times no matter what was in the queque. If a message came in that was meant for them, then it would replace the cover message in the queque. Has anyone concerned with remailer development spent any time actually doing remailer traffic analysis, similar to a cryptographer who does cryptanalysis to raise his level of competence? It would be interesting to see the results of messages being sent between cypherpunks and encrypted with a "TA" key so that they could be separated and logged for traffic analysis. I would like to see what kind of results could be divined by those who know remailer operations intimately. Al Gore, ITHM

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