December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Year 2000 Solutions
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I found this bit of news info in the Softworld '97 website, for any of you who are interested: (http://www.softworld.org/cfm/sfwd8000.cfm?X=62) Year 2000 Solutions From India's Largest Software Consultancy Tue, Sep 9, 1997, Vancouver, BC Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), India's largest global provider of software and software services, came to Softworld 97 looking for potential clients in all areas of software needs, including Year 2000. With their existing Y2K tool capabilities, coupled with two upcoming announcements, Softworld 97 is providing TCS with an excellent source for potential deals. TCS is already using its proprietary Y2K tools for projects involving: IBM Mainframe (OS/VS COBOL, COBOL II ETACOBOL, PL/1, ASSEMBLER, EASYTRIEVE, MANTIS, TELON, SCEPTER, NATURAL, ADS/O, JCL, plus IDMS, IMS, DB2 and SUPRA) AS/400 (RPG, COBOL, CL, S/36, S/38, OCL) Tandem (COBOL, SCOBOL) DEC VAX (COBOL, POWERHOUSE) Honeywell-Bull (COBOL) Unix "C" In two weeks TCS will offer its AS/400 Y2K toolset, named Y2KIT/400, for sale around the world as either a stand-alone product or bundled with services. This tool suite has already proven its value in several international projects involvimg millions of lines of code. On October 1st, TCS will open a "dedicated Y2K Factory" in Chennai (formerly Madras), India. This facility will be unique in that it will have 1000 dedicated Indian software professionals, utilizing an IBM 9672-R44 (4 processor, CMOS) Mainframe, and equipped with a high-speed T1 satellite link to North America. With 200 MLOC already under contract, this Center is being commissioned to handle 1 Billion lines of code. "Our attendance at Softworld 97 could not have come at a more opportune time," states Jim Thomas, TCS' Vice President of Marketing for North America, "as there are numerous companies present with Y2K requirements." .. Blanc

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InfoWar 20 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by A Player To Be Named Later 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar 20 / TEXT
by A Player To Be Named Later 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * A Billionaire To Be Named Later ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Billionaire To Be Named Later ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Did you notice the way 'Mojave' was misspelled?" the Shadow asked the Rich Man. Bad BillyG nodded slowly, looked up at the Shadow and said, "I also noticed that he used the 'replay' remailer and spoke of 'deja vu.'" "Indio?" the Shadow asked Bad BillyG, not having to wait for his confirmation to know that the anonymous writer was referring to the Wackenhut/Cabazon weapons fencing operation. "I've got someone checking the physical site as we speak," BillyG told the Shadow, "but I think it's obvious that the references to Lefty and the tassel-haired young woman firing a shotgun with one hand means that these people recreated an event that happened over a decade and a half ago, only" Bad BillyG paused to swallow, "only this time, the targets are us, not them." The Shadow and his earthly compatriot turned their attention to the anonymous post, once again, confirming what they already knew, and scanning for more details of the writers veiled message, therein. Subject: Not-News Gorilla NutWork Rocket-Launched From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com [Not-News NetWork-- Mohave Desert] Aug 4/97 WHAT DOES A FIVE HUNDRED POUND GORILLA READ AT THE BREAKFAST TABLE? - sog The "Not-News Gorilla NutWork" was rocket-launched in the Mohave Desert early yesterday morning by a rag-tag bunch of paramilitarist computer gurus who unveiled an InterNet Bill of Bytes that included the words, "MicroSoft shall make no laws..." Angered by a self-appointed council of computer industry magnates who have announced their intention to seize fascist control of the quickly burgeoning Information Highway by controlling the definition of all information, the rebels set up a shooting range which contained a wide variety of targets ranging from copies of the Wall Street Journal to life-sized cardboard cut-outs of a hooded figure referred to only as, "a billionaire to be named later." A Che Guerva look-alike named Lefty (a nickname changed from "Lucky" after a laboratory accident took three of the fingers on his right hand) spoke openly about the group's loose-knit plans to impose their own ratings system on corporations who have "taken it upon themselves to decide what is news and what is not--what is information and what is obscenity." "We have decided on two classes of ratings." explained a tassel- haired young woman as she slid shells into a Winchester Defender sitting on her lap. "On..." she said, lifting the shotgun with one hand, then liberating the hooded head from a nearby cardboard cut-out, before turning back to say, with a Cheshire grin, "...and off." The wide array of luxury automobiles and high-end computer gear on display at the gathering lent credence to the claim of a quiet older man whose only comment during my presence was, "The people here probably have a combined access to more soft targets than the NSA." He turned to punctuate his statement, as many others did that day, with a volley of fire that penetrated targets carrying the corporate logos of a variety of big-name players in the computer industry. Surprisingly, the conversation consisted almost totally of issues surrounding privacy, self-determination and freedom from censorship, with hardly a word being spoken about potential plans of action by individuals or the group. As the quiet man's equally quiet wife spoke in what seemed to be a deathly whisper, telling me, "Everyone here knows what they have to do.", a man with a crude, homemade rocket-launcher sent a flaming projectile into the side of a small propane tank several hundred feet away, as if punctuating the last and most meaningful statement of the day. After quietly dispersing a few minutes later, the group packed up their weapons and climbed into their vehicles without a word between them, each seemingly going their own separate ways. I stayed on after the last of the others had left, reflecting on the fact that I had arrived at this gathering by virtue of a late-night phone call to my unlisted number, and found that I knew none of the participants in the activities. I had the strangest feeling that the others there had arrived by the same anonymous process as I had, and I wondered if they were equally mystified as to who had arranged this impromptu assembly of apparent strangers joined in a common cause. Immediately, one of the pickup trucks driving away backfired, and I thought of synchronicity, knowing that the truck would backfire once again, which it immediately did, before disappearing quietly out of sight. Climbing into my own vehicle, I took a last look at the site, which had been cleaned and left exactly the way it was when I had first arrived on the scene. I experienced a moment of deja vu, as if I had just arrived and none of what I had experienced that day had truly transpired. Somewhere in the distance, a vehicle backfired... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Disclaimer - I am not a reporter, I am not a paramilitarist, and I am not a computer expert. I have no idea what I was doing there and I am not even certain that I should be speaking about the event...but I am. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Player To Be Named Later put down the 'Not-News Gorilla NutWork Rocket-Launched' post and scanned portions of the INSLAW/Octopus report from NaziWorld, once again. The INSLAW Octopus Software piracy, conspiracy, cover-up, stonewalling, covert action: Just another decade at the Department of Justice By Richard L. Fricker But prior to his arrest in 1991, Riconosciuto provided the Hamiltons with an affidavit that once again brought Brian into the Inslaw picture. "I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on proprietary PROMIS computer software product," he stated. "The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the US Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut (a security company with close FBI and CIA connections) after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with the responsibility for PROMIS software. I performed the modifications to PROMIS in Indio, Calif.; Silver Springs, Md.; and Miami, Fla." The modifications included a telecommunications "trap door" that would let the US Government eavesdrop on any other organization using the pirated software, Riconosciuto said. Although Brian denies any involvement with Inslaw or Riconosciuto, the House Judiciary Committee received a report from a special task force of the Riverside County, Calif., Sheriff's Office and District Attorney, stating that on the evening of Sept. 10, 1981, arms dealers, buyers and various intelligence operatives gathered at the Cabazon Indian Reservation near Indio, Calif., for a demonstration of night warfare weapons. The demonstration was orchestrated jointly by Wackenhut and the Cabazon Indian tribe. (Many published reports allege that the Wackenhut/Cabazon joint venture served as a weapons fencing operation for Oliver North's Iran- Contra dealings.) Bad BillyG involved in that mess? A Player To Be Named Later shook his head negatively, to himself. It seemed unlikely, but it would explain a few things which had been troubling him, lately. And it would mean that the anonymous poster knew enough intimate details of an event that had been shrouded in deep secrecy to pose a threat to all those connected with the Indio affair. It would also explain the apparently strange ending to a major play by the news and computer industry heavyweights calling themselves the 'Internet Content Coalition' that the anonymous post seemed to be threatening. For starters, Microsoft made an immediate about-face, within hours of the anonymous post, on their plans to include technology supporting the Internet Content Coalition's aims in their next version of Internet Explorer. >From - Wed Aug 06 19:31:05 1997 From: nobody(a)neva.org (Neva Remailer) Subject: MicroGorilla Postpones Rocket-Launch Plans Until..."likely sometime next year." >Anonymous wrote: > > The "Not-News Gorilla NutWork" was rocket-launched in the Mohave Desert > > early yesterday morning by a rag-tag bunch of paramilitarist computer > > gurus who unveiled an InterNet Bill of Bytes that included the words, > > "MicroSoft shall make no laws..." Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day: > Microsoft Corp. has tabled plans to include new technology in its > Internet Explorer 4.0 browser that would have made "news" oriented > sites exempt from content rating standards promoted for use on the > Internet. >Anonymous wrote: > > Angered by a self-appointed council of computer industry magnates who > > have announced their intention to seize fascist control of the quickly > > burgeoning Information Highway by controlling the definition of all > > information, the rebels set up a shooting range which contained a wide > > variety of targets ranging from copies of the Wall Street Journal to > > life-sized cardboard cut-outs of a hooded figure referred to only as, > > "a billionaire to be named later." Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day: > RSAC President C. Dianne Martin said Microsoft is running out of time > to implement the separate designation for news sites before the launch > of the 4.0 version of Explorer later this year. >Anonymous wrote: > > "We have decided on two classes of ratings." explained a tassel- > > haired young woman as she slid shells into a Winchester Defender > > sitting on her lap. "On..." she said, lifting the shotgun with one > > hand, then liberating the hooded head from a nearby cardboard cut-out, > > before turning back to say, with a Cheshire grin, "...and off." Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day: > However, the company > plans to include the news designation in the 5.0 version of Explorer > when it is made available..."likely sometime next year." There wasn't much doubt that 'Nobody' was pointing out to one and all that the Internet Content Coalition was under siege, and that the opening salvo by 'Anonymous' had brought the largest corporation in history to its knees, in surrender. A bold claim, but would this declaration of war in the battle of the giants to seize control of the official reigns of news and information on the InterNet be backed up in the end, by across the board results? A Player To Be Named Later pored over a FreeAmerica report on the resurrection of the Inslaw ghosts in the mid-1990's. Federal Corruption INSLAW Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 Congressman Jack Brooks of Texas has opened a new investigation into the INSLAW case. Brooks is investigating allegations that Justice Department officials, including Meese, conspired to force INSLAW into bankruptcy in order to deliver the firm's software to a rival company. The rival firm, according to court records and law enforcement officials, was headed by Earl W. Brian, a former Cabinet officer under then California Governor Ronald Reagan and a longtime friend of several high-ranking Republican officials. [Earl W. Brian! Who had seized control of United Press International (UPI) in a deal every bit as shady as the Inslaw affair] On March 21, 1992, [Michael] Riconoscuito stated in an affidavit to the Court and Congress, and before he was arrested, the following: * During the 1980s he served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians of Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. [Near the Salton Sea, a long-time haunt of the Author, who brought a strange variety of computer gurus to the area, purportedly for Corvina fishing, but what was the real story about their travels there?] * The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel- air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. * The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of FOREIGN governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. * The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with 'certain elements' of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. * Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. * The purpose of the PROMIS software modification that I made in 1983 and 1984 was to support a plan for the implementation of PROMIS in law enforcement and intelligence agencies worldwide. Earl W. Brian was spearheading the plan for this worldwide use of the PROMIS computer software. * Some of the modifications that I made were specifically designed to facilitate the implementation of PROMIS within two agencies of the Government of Canada: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS). Earl W. Brian would check with me from time to time to make certain that the work would be completed in time to satisfy the schedule for the RCMP and CSIS implementations of PROMIS. [The RCMP and CSISthe same entities that the Author had shared a Russian language class with in Regina, Saskatchewan, just before the Moscow Olympics. Who had he encountered in that group who would later be instrumental in acquiring the PROMIS software for the Canadians?] * The propriety version of PROMIS, as modified by me, was, in fact implemented in both the RCMP and the CSIS in Canada. It was my understanding that Earl W. Brian had sold this version of PROMIS to the Government of Canada. A Player To Be Named Later suddenly remembered the email to the CypherPunks mailing list and the corporate headquarters of the Internet Content Coalition that had been forwarded from the LMBoyd Website, which was known to be a forum for the Circle of Eunuchs to send veiled messages to set the stage for their more pointed attacks on the Dark Forces. It was an email that was sent out when the dark specter of the Internet Content Coalition first began to flex their muscles. >From - Fri Jul 25 19:38:14 1997 Subject: Sampler: July 25 To: multiple recipients of <sampler(a)lmboyd.com> ====================================================== The serial killer does in one person at a time in intervals. The mass killer murders however many in a single mad rampage. The mass killer is usually suicidal. The serial killer isn't. Q. Does any animal deliberately stalk human beings for food? A. None but the polar bear. At least, such is the claim of the experts. ====================================================== LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm "Of course!" A Player To Be Named Later slapped his forehead, amazed that he had not seen the connection sooner between the 'mass murderer, serial killer stalking humans from the North' email, the Not-News threat singling out "a billionaire to be named later," and the email sent to the Internet Content Coalition players just before they held the meeting where they effectively folded their hand in their attempt to take over control over defining what was 'official' news on the InterNet, and what was not. He reread, once again, the anonymous post sent just hours before the Internet Content Coalition's grand agenda bit the dust: "In July, Anson Ng, a reporter for the Financial Times of London was shot and KILLED in Guatemala. He had reportedly been trying to interview an American there named Jimmy Hughes, a one-time director of security for the Cabazon Indian Reservation secret projects. "In April, a Philadelphia attorney named Dennis Eisman was found DEAD, killed by a single bullet in his chest. According to a former federal official who worked with Eisman, the attorney was found dead in the parking lot where he had been due to meet with a woman who had crucial evidence to share substantiating Riconosciuto's claims. "Both Eisman's and Ng's deaths were declared 'suicides' by authorities. "Fred Alvarez, a Cabazon tribal leader who was in vocal opposition to the developments on the reservation, was found SHOT TO DEATH WITH TWO FRIENDS in 1981. Their murder remains unsolved. At last, the whole bizarre, implausible scenario finally came together in A Player To Be Named Later's mind. The Author's presence near the belly of the beast in Indio had not been a mere coincidence. When the Internet Content Coalition made their move, the Circle of Eunuchs already had the information they needed to connect several of the players in the proposed news cartel with the trail of deaths surrounding both those involved in the INSLAW debacle and the reporters closing in on the real story involved. And they had made it more than plain that some of those involved in the Wackenhut-Cabazon arms deals were now playing for the oppositionand that bullets don't discriminate between the rich and the poor. A Player To Be Named Later was still mystified as to how the Magic Circle had been able to pull off such a bold, in-your-face maneuver on some of the Titans of the news and computer industries. In the early days, after the dissemination of "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" had begun in 1989, the Circle of Eunuchs had come under fierce attack from a variety of sources from within the secret government hunting them. Mysterious deaths, established careers going up in flames, overnight. The Magic Circle had quickly disappeared far into the underground of computer society. Then, the Circle had begun to show their hand, more and more, now reaching the point where they could apparently do battle with the heavyweights working behind the scenes with Gomez and the Dark Allies. But A Player To Be Named Later hadn't seen any indication that the Circle of Eunuchs had managed to gain possession of a hole-card that could account forunless "Casolaro!" A Player To Be Named Later whispered, as if speaking the name aloud might bring down fire from the heavens. Quickly, he did a disk search for a vaguely remembered article from Conspiracy Nation Forwarded: >From the Patriot Archives ftp site at: ftp://tezcat.com/patriot Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ("Quid coniuratio est?") THE OCTOPUS =========== By Karen Bixman (For The People *News Reporter*, 11/14/94) On the morning of August 11, 1991, Danny Casolaro was found dead in the bathroom of his hotel room at the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia. His wrists had been slashed ten times; his briefcase and notes were missing. The authorities labeled the death a suicide, and before Casolaro's family had been contacted, the body was embalmed. ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe conspire My Name" to listproc(a)prairienet.org -- To cancel, send a message in the form "unsubscribe conspire" to listproc(a)prairienet.org but with absolutely nothing in the subject line of the message. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Damn! He had nailed it! Karen Bixman's article had confirmed everything that A Player To Be Named Later had increasingly suspected as his mind pored over the mountain of information which had seemed so tentatively, but treacherously, related. Bixman had laid down an utterly astounding, twisted trail of closely connected, mysterious deaths and blatant murders surrounding the INSLAW and Iran-Contra misdeeds that completed the connections between the past and current players in the battle for control of world supremacy in computer information and communications. What's more, the timing of the disappearance of Danny Casolaro's extensive notes on the winding serpent of evil surrounding these affairs coincided with the Magic Circle's unmistakable reentry into manifest participation in the battle against the Evil One and the Dark Forces under his command. The Coupe de Gras, however, was the source of the Conspiracy Nation newsletter. Prairienet.org! From whence sprang the apparently unrelated Bureau42 clique who had seized the opportunity to host 'The True Story of the InterNet' transcripts, despite the troubled and bloody history of those who had done so in the past. Bianca had mentioned to Mike Denney, at Basis Inc., that she had been prepared to hack the Bureau42 servers when they came under attack upon placing 'Part II' and 'Part III' on their system, but that they had managed to clear up the problems that developed on their own, and had done so in a surprisingly short period of time. Only one thing was still bothering A Player To Be Named Later. Microsoft had been the first member of the Internet Content Coalition to publicly fold their hand in the battle to control news and information ratings across the InterNet, but Gates seemed, on the surface, to be less visibly connected to the extremely messy past misconduct of the others, and thus seemed to have the least to lose if the shit hit the fan. Gate's quick concession to the veiled threats had definitely been the catalyst in causing the hasty retreat of the other members of the news cartel that had seemed to be on the drawing board for quite some time in the plans of Gomez and the Dark Alliesbut why? Bill Gates had not become the richest and most overtly powerful individual on the face of the earth by fighting against the grand designs of the Evil One, but he seemed to be playing his cards close to his chest, in a manner that suggested that he had an agenda of his own that might not run exactly parallel to that of the Dark Forces. What was BillyG's game? A Player To Be Named Later had been involved in the grand battle taking place behind the scenes of everyday reality for long enough to know that it was all done with mirrors. "And each man, in his time, plays many parts." he said, perplexed for the moment. "To Shakespeare!" A Player To Be Named Later said, lifting his glass in toast. "A member of the Magic Circle, if there ever was one." "If there ever was one" he repeated, smiling at his unintentional inside joke. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Shadow was watching Bad BillyG closely, for any sign of subterfuge in his inner demeanor. "You're certain about Blanc Weber?" he asked, once again. "Well, I could be wrong, but we've investigated her thoroughly, and every indication is that all that nonsense about her development of the HydroCube is just that-nonsense." BillyG shrugged his shoulders, apparently unconcerned with what he regarded as a small, internal company matter. "I could have her isolated, but I don't really see much point. If she is hiding something, then it's probably better not to let her know how closely she is being monitored. Perhaps you should put some of the Dark Allies on her tail for a while, in case there is something that my people have missed." "No, I don't think that will be necessary." the Shadow replied, casually. He had instructed his men to monitor Blanc Weber's movements and activities months ago, as well as those of the spooks Bad BillyG had assigned to watch her. His own spooks had likewise turned up nothing positive, but he had pressed the matter with Gates in order to judge his reaction just the same. "Well, her digital implant went according to plan," BillyG added, "so we will be able to yank her chain on a moment's notice, if it becomes necessary to do so, in the future." The "billionaire to be named later" sat back and allowed himself to indulge in the luxury of looking forward to the moment when A Player To Be Named Later would find out much, much more than he really wanted to know about Bad BillyG's plans for the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle who were attempting to interfere with his own vision of the direction the future of the InterNet should take at this nadir point in time, when the battle for control of virtual reality was about to explode into every single facet of human life ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bubba Rom Dos thought about the forefather of his technical namesake, who had so far managed to walk with the Evil One as far as the bridge in his rise to riches, fame and power a hundred years in the past. The Cowboy, Priscilla, Alexis, Jonathan, and d'Shauneaux were likewise joined with him in contemplation of this paradoxical figure from the past whose role in the great battle between the Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness had remained an enigma throughout the history and legends of the Circle of Eunuchs. Friend or foe, there was no denying that Billy the Kid was going to play a major role in the direction that the thundering train of history was about to take as it approached the crossroads of destiny on its way to an ElectroMagnetic Future where freedom would hinge on the free flow of Taoist bytes routing around the enslaving chains of Fascist bits that Gomez and the Dark Allies had been carefully laying in place since the dawn of the Computer Era. Bubba Rom Dos, sage and savant, deviant and derelict, raised a glass of "Bubba's Special Reserve" in toast, proclaiming as the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle joined him in his libations, "To Billy the Kidor Bad BillyGto the things that he didor to what he may be" The Trei Transponder began softly humming in the background, as if trying to tell the small assembly something very, very important for them to know. Then it fell silent Copyright "Anonymous TruthMonger <billg(a)microsoft.com>" "That's not a government backdoor <bug>. It's a hacker's backdoor <feature>." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: The CipherSaber Manifesto
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reinhold(a)world.std.com (Arnold Reinhold) wrote: > CipherSaber-1 (CS1) uses Ron Rivest's RC4 algorithm as published in > the second edition of Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography. .... > CipherSaber-1 is a symmetric-key file encryption system. Messaging > takes place by attaching binary files to e-mail. Because CipherSaber > uses a stream cipher, an initialization vector must be used to prevent > the same cipher key from being used twice. In encrypted CipherSaber-1 > files, a ten byte initialization vector precedes the coded data. For > decryption, the initialization vector is read from the file and > appended to the user key before the key setup step. ...... Why not _prepend_ the IV to the key ? As described here any paranoics who use keys > 255 chars won't get the IV in place, and will lose out. I think I'd also force 4 bytes of the IV to be the current time, as a defence against the (P?)RNG getting me a repeated IV eventually. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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Good News / Bad News
by A Player To Be Named Later 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Gore, FBI - "The good news is that we have apprehended Ramon Eduardo Arellano-Felix in return for paying out the two million dollar reward for his sorry, drug-dealing, scum-sucking ass." Louis Freeh, Lying Nazi Fuck - "What's the bad news? Bill Gore, FBI - "We payed the two million to Jim Bell, and he used it to place a bet..."

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Remailers (was Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights)
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 24 Sep 1997 21:11:07 -0500, Eric Nystrom <enystrom(a)nscee.edu> wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 phelix(a)vallnet.com wrote: > >> >>remailer could automatically announce itself to the world (perhaps via a >> >>newsgroup post). The various listing services would pick up on this. The >> >>more automated it is, the better. >> > >> >How about posting availability notices alt.remailer-availability.announce >> >(create it if necessary) or alt.anonymous.messages? >> >> Yes, I was thinking along these lines, though right now I'm concentrating >> on the client end of things. > >I'm not sure that Usenet would necessarily be the best idea for a primary >source of remailer availability notices. After all, the latency >associated with Usenet might be a problem. That's a problem only if we expect remailers to stay up only for a few days at a time. I'm sure such guerilla remailers will exist, but will they be the dominant type of remailers? > And more to the point, some of >us have a problem reaching a news server. On a company LAN connected to >the Internet, for example, any and every J. Random Eudora-user could or >would become a remailer. (You could have 10 or 50 or more remailers per >organization -- enough that it would be difficult for the sysadmins to >squash them all.) But most companies do not allow access to a news >server. I suspect that a company that didn't allow access to a news server would also not allow you to run a remailer behind their firewall. > A client could telnet out to someplace in the outside world to >announce its presence or whatever, but not post to or read from Usenet. But then we're back to the problem of having a centralized service that can be attacked. I suppose it's unavoidable. Let's hope we at least have many different pinging services. >I think Usenet would serve an important role as a secondary, backup source >of information that would support and mirror the pinging services. But >to have Usenet as the only source of remailer availablility might be a >little short-sighted. I just had a thought. Run a pinging service through the eternity servers. Anyway, in private email, the thought of digital postage stamps has come up. Are there any ecash system that offer total payer anonymity (payee anonymity is not absolutely necessary here)?

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Re: Oxley Amendment
by Syniker＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'd like to see a path for this thing too... maybe declan can help there... I'm gatherin addressess for my own mail, fax, phone thing... Larry. pgp pubkey: http://www.jetlink.net/~aargh/

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InfoWar 21 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar 21 / The GeigerBurg Text
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Lying Fucking Nazi Cunt Sex Criminal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lying Fucking Nazi Cunt Sex Criminal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This has got to stop!" the crimson-faced man threw the printout on the desk of the Sex Criminal. The Sex Criminal, as usual, just laughed and tried to make light of the situation. "Well, at least Lying Fuck is better than Lying Nazi Cunt." the Sex Criminal winced as the woman Senator walked into the room just as the words were coming out of his mouth. The Nazi Cunt shot the Sex Criminal a stare that took the heat out of even his easily excitable loins. The post she had in her hand was even more to the point than the one that the Lying Fuck had thrown on the Sex Criminal's desk. She handed it to the Lying Fuck with a chagrined grin, saying, "Why don't you read it first, Mr. Freeh-dumb!" The Sex Criminal began to chuckle, but stopped quickly when the FBI Director shot him a stare that was colder than even the Nazi Cunt's withering look. The Lying Fuck then turned his attention to the email that the Nazi Cunt had received, along with a few hundred other Senators and Congressmen shortly before the vote on the ultra-fascist Oxley Amendment to the dictatorial SAFE bill being pushed in the House Commerce Committee. To: senator(a)feinstein.senate.gov From: HugeCajones Remailer<hc(a)dev.null> X-Mailer: WinSock Remailer Version ALPHA1.3B X-Comments: - X-Comments: "He who shits on the road, will meet flies upon his return." X-Comments: - X-Comments: "GOMEZ IS COMING!" X-Comments: - X-Comments: This message is NOT from TruthMonster. X-Comments: It was sent by an automated anonymous asshole under the X-Comments: auspices of the Electronic Forgery Foundation. X-Comments: - X-Comments: Note: Send any complaints about abuse of this remailer X-Comments: to the person most concerned about your rights and X-Comments: freedoms. (Hint: It's a "mirror" site.) Subject: !!! DEATH THREAT !!! You should be careful before you do foolish things like making a death threat because it can have really bad results. People like the Constitution a lot and if you are making a death threat against it then it is like saying your going to kill someone else's friend or family and everyone knows that they will kill you because they are domestic and not a stranger. Or is it that they are stranger and not domesticated? Never mind. You know what I mean. "Damn!" the Lying Fuck swore with a vengeance, "It's the fucking nephew, again." He began to pace the floor, angry that he had been boxed into a corner where taking strong action in response to this post would involve sending a swat team into an allied foreign country to arrest a fourteen year-old kid. A cute kid, nonetheless. A cute Christian kid. He shook his head slowly, as if in pain, as he continued to read the kid's continuing diatribe against encryption opponents. Especially if you try to make it so that they cannot put aluminum foil hats on their thoughts and their words and their writing. Then they get really, really, nervous and maybe start thinking that they have to kill everybody because they are not safe from anybody. You should be careful before you vote to kill the Constitution and look under all your chairs and stuff, just in case. The Sex Criminal was reading the same passage, and he looked up at the FBI Director, asking, "Isn't that a threat? Can't we do something about that?" He looked to the Nazi Cunt for support "Jesus, Bill!" the Nazi Cunt said, rolling her eyes upward. "You want to send the fucking Marines up to bring back a Canadian teenager in leg-irons so that he can remind our citizens that we have a constitution? Give it a break." Freeh continued to read the email. Even if you do think you can kill the Constitution and still have all of the people believe you are not a bad person then you should at least try not to let really stupid people who you work with say things like "I am too stupid to learn about this stuff so I am going to let the guys who want to make aluminum foil hats illegal and put everyone in jail decide how I vote to kill the Constitution." The one those guys who always say "Nuke DC" call Swinestein said that and it made everyone think you are all that stupid and going to let people with guns who kill women and children make your votes for you. Then even more of them say "Nuke DC" especially when they remember how bad the guys with the guns that you are letting vote for you fucked their friend (sorry but thats what they did) for making a stink with the IRS. The Lying Fuck couldn't help himself-he burst out laughing, with the Sex Criminal following close behind. He caught her frigid stare and said, "You said it, not me" "Swinestein." he half-mumbled under his breath. "I heard that, you bastard!" the Nazi Cunt screamed, turning and stomping out of the room in a great huff. If you take away some of the guns from people then you have to take away all the guns or you are in big trouble. If you take away some of the Constitution from people then you have to take away all of the Constitution or you are in big trouble. Even if you think you took away all of the things that people can use to be safe and free then they will make more-like Doritos. If you try to kill them with bullshit then they will try to kill you with their own brand of fertilizer. If you take away their aluminum foil hats then they will make hats out of paper and call them Forever Young. The FBI Director recognized the veiled reference to the Eternity Servers. He made a mental note to himself to begin action against them as soon as possible. He could make it a side-project of the agents working against the anonymous remailer operators. That reminded himhadn't they already killed off the Huge Cajones Remailer? He needed to check that out, ASAP. Killing the Constitution is a lot like killing DC-if your going to do it then you might as well do it right and do it all at once. Guys with guns who want to kill Freeh-dumb know that and so do guys with nukes who are Freeh-dumb fighters. (My uncle made up a new word about him-he said he "testiLied to Congress.") "Cocksucker!" the Lying Fuck banged his fist on the Sex Criminal's desk. "This fucker is dead!" he screamed, beginning to lose control, and throwing the email on the floor, stomping on it with one foot, and then the other. The Sex Criminal continued to read the end of the post. Don't be a stranger, APlayerToBeNamedLater p.s. - If you see Declan McCullagh getting in his car and driving like hell away from the city then you should get in your car and do the same thing. You dont need to pack a suitcase because I think if he does that then there is already one packed. (Thats what the guys with guns told you in your secret meetings so you will kill the Constitution for them isnt it?) The Sex Criminal looked puzzled. "How do these people get this information?" he naively asked his head bonecrusher. The Lying Fuck was getting tired of explaining the obvious to this fucking idiot, but he took relief in the fact that now the Line Item Veto had been passed, they could dump these liberal shills off at the next election stop and bring in an Aryan thoroughbred to make the Run for the Roses at the turn of the millennium. "We know we're going to do it. They know we're going to do it. The nuclear suitcase argument was Oxley's hole card, but this fucking email took the steam out of his argument by ridiculing it before it was even presented." "Fucking cypherpunks!" the Lying Fuck spit the word out, as the Sex Criminal handed him a printout of a news article that would be appearing in print the following day. Encryption Bill Gets Approval Of House Panel By CHRIS DiEDOARDO San Diego Daily Transcript, Sept. 24, 1997 The 40-11 vote late Wednesday in the House Commerce Committee could sound the death knell to FBI Director Louis J. Freeh's attempt to require software companies to install a "back door" in their security packages in order make them more accessible to law enforcement officials. "In closed session, the FBI said they don't have a problem with encryption in foreign markets, as they have the ability to use the military to decrypt the messages," Bilbray said, adding the agency didn't have that capability domestically. "God damn it!" the bonecrusher's temperature was rising, once again. "What the fuck good is a 'closed session' when everything we tell these dweebs gets printed before we get out of the goddamn building. "The press breaks the stories about our spreading bad replacement parts into foreign weapons systems, and the next thing you know, we have planes falling out of the fucking sky faster than we can count. Now we have to try to keep other countries in line with our weak encryption policy at the same time we're confirming that we can read their fucking minds and want to keep it that way." He shook his head in disgust, and continued reading the article. Early reaction from within the encryption industry was mixed. While John Kelsey of Counterpane Systems in Jefferson City, Mo., thought the Markey-White package was better than the alternatives, he said there was still a long way to go. "The best thing they could do is get rid of the export controls and otherwise not interfere by trying to regulate this technology," he said. "The FBI should be pushing for all Americans to use strong crypto, as cryptology makes crime harder." "When you encrypt credit-card numbers, that makes it a lot harder to commit credit card fraud," Kelsey said. "In fact, properly designed payment protocols make it very difficult for people to steal money from the system or frame other people." "What happens is the law-abiding citizens are constantly being encroached on for the convenience of us in government." "Intuitively, it seems like a bad idea to build a large infrastructure for eavesdropping on the American people," he said. "That's not a decision people should make without spending a lot of time thinking about whether we're comfortable doing that, as we'd be building the infrastructure for a police state." "Fucking cypherpunks!" the Lying Fuck said again, recognizing Kelsey's name. "Fucking cypherpunks!" the Sex Criminal echoed. The FBI Director sat silently steaming, making quick and hard decisions as to how to proceed with his agenda of total information control. Time to start hitting the hardware vendors hard, again, shaking the trees for those who would be the quickest to fold to the NSA's plans for hardwired monitoring and back doors into all aspects of computer systems, including encryption. He took his pen and circled the name 'Intel' on his game plan cheat-sheet. "Hit them hard and hit them everywhere." he said to himself. It was long past time to bother with the pretension of friendly discussion. He had gone past the point of no return with the announcement of his intention to gain law enforcement access to all aspects of corporate and private communications, the Constitution be damned, and he was not about to turn back now. Not on your life Copyright "TruthMangler <president(a)whitehouse.gov>" "I stuck my head between her cheeks, but I didn't inhale." ~ Marv Alpert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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National ID as Identity Authentication answer for EC?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Evidently these idiots haven't heard of digital bearer certificates... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rhornbec(a)counselpop.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: Digital Signature discussion <DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU> Sender: Digital Signature discussion <DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU> From: Rick Hornbeck <rhornbec(a)COUNSEL.COM> Subject: National ID as Identity Authentication answer for EC? To: DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU An interesting article by Thomas P. Vartanian appeared in the September 24 issue of the American Banker discussing the increasing need for identity authentication in electronic commerce and the use of National ID Verification Standards (NIVS) as a possible solution. Although the article avoids proposing specific ultimate sources of identity it does mention that "the adoption of these standards might facilitate the development of a national market for certificate authority errors-and-omissions insurance. It might also facilitate the creation and operation of what one observer has called 'cybernotaries.' Without uniformity in the authentication process, the efficiencies of certificates and the effectiveness of electronic commerce will be undercut." Following is a brief excerpt. Complete article available at: http://www.jya.com/national-id.htm ==================== 24 September 1997 Source: The American Banker --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment/ The Case for National ID Verification Standards By Thomas P. Vartanian Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson Financial fraud depends heavily on perpetrators' ability to hide their identities or assume those of others. Because the Internet is a medium for anonymous communication, it has been and will continue to be a breeding ground for innovation in electronic fraud. Proponents of electronic commerce seek to limit this risk through the use of digital certificates and similar methods of electronic authentication and verification. This raises a complex question for the trusted third parties, many of which may be banks, that certify the issuance and use of public keys in the digital signature arena: What does it mean to certify that a specific public key represents X in a world where the identification of X is an imprecise science? Authentication must be the starting point in any electronic network transaction. Lacking the customary modes of physical identification, the parties to a faceless transaction in cyberspace need proof from a third party that each party is who he or she purports to be. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Domain name hearings starting right now. (www.democracy.net)
by Shabbir J. Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The domain name hearings are going on right now (you can listen in realaudio) at http://www.democracy.net/ The future of the infrastructure hangs in the balance of this debate. Check it out. -S

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opponents of GAK
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone out there been keeping track of all the organizations, corporations and others who have come out against GAK? Pointers would be appreciated. alan ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 09/25/97 Time: 09:17:21 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp == -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) == 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ------------------------

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American Banker - National ID - addendum
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rhornbec(a)counselpop.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:59:31 -0500 Reply-To: Digital Signature discussion <DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU> Sender: Digital Signature discussion <DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU> From: Rick Hornbeck <rhornbec(a)COUNSEL.COM> Subject: American Banker - National ID - addendum To: DIGSIG(a)VM.TEMPLE.EDU Either the Temple listserve is automatically limiting the length of my posts (<gr>) or I discovered a new e-mail bug. Here is the balance of the excerpt from the American Banker article I intended to post earlier. ==================== What actions should a certificate authority be required to take in this imperfect system to certify that X's public key actually is being used by X? To allow the electronic marketplace to operate effectively and efficiently, at a minimum certificate authorities must be able to achieve some level of certainty that if they have prudently conducted the due diligence required, they cannot be held responsible for fraud or malfunctions. National Identification Verification Standards-NIVS-would underscore that there should be only a limited range of actions for which a certificate authority should be held responsible in an electronic transaction. These standards eventually would need to be truly universal because of the globality and borderlessness of cyberspace. Moreover, such standards could level the playing field vis-a-vis the different levels of trust that might otherwise be accorded certificate authorities of various sizes, financial capacity, name recognition, and national origin. What should the elements of these national verification standards be? The more that the system relies on primary "root" documentation (paper or electronic) certified by the originator, the greater the certainty, albeit imperfect, that the certificate authority can achieve. The adoption of an integrated certification data base accessible to all certificate authorities must also be explored. A network that will allow each certificate authority to cross-reference digital certificates and confirm the issuance of multiple certificates to the subscriber will allow the digital signature market to function more efficiently and safely. >From a legal point of view, a digital certificate is a form of warranty. Warranties ascribe and allocate rights in a transaction, a business that commercial banks happen to understand quite well. But a digital certificate is not meant and should not be viewed as unlimited insurance for the use of the certificate or the successful completion of an electronic transaction facilitated by that certificate. In that regard, the adoption of these standards might facilitate the development of a national market for certificate authority errors-and- omissions insurance. It might also facilitate the creation and operation of what one observer has called "cybernotaries." Without uniformity in the authentication process, the efficiencies of certificates and the effectiveness of electronic commerce will be undercut. Richard N. Hornbeck Electronic Commerce Services "The most important step in arriving at the right answer, is asking the right question." Albert Einstein ("Al"). --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Emphasizing a point by Donald Eastlake re key recovery
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:15:45 -0400 > To: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> > From: Carl Ellison <cme(a)cybercash.com> > Subject: Re: Emphasizing a point by Donald Eastlake re key recovery > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, Ron Rivest <rivest-only(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu>, > cme(a)cybercash.com > Reply-to: Carl Ellison <cme(a)cybercash.com> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > At 09:34 AM 9/23/97 +0100, Ross Anderson wrote: > >There is also the point that the vast majority of encryption keys are > >actually used for authentication rather than confidentiality. The keys > >that encrypt your bank card PIN en route from the ATM to the bank, the > >keys in your satellite TV decoder, the keys in your gas meter and your > >postal meter - in fact the majority of all DES keys in use - are about > >authentication. In theory most of them could be replaced by digital > >signature mechanisms but given the size of the installed base, it > >won't happen anytime soon. > > For what it's worth, I once got an opinion from NSA's export control office > that I could use any kind of crypto I wanted (e.g., even triple-DES) if all > I'm doing is protecting a channel carrying a password (like the PIN), > because that's an authentication function and therefore to be encouraged. I > didn't get this in writing, however, so I'd have to go for it again. > > - Carl Well, I dunno. About 18 months ago, I was involved with the negotiations over the exportability of an SSL equipped web server I had helped develop. The export model used 40 bit RC4 and 512 bit keys. The initial version used 3DES to encrypt stored private keys, and this was turned down. I modified it to use single DES, and it passed. Note that this was for secret key storage only. Peter Trei trei(a)Process.com

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17 Dec '03

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Documents re 9th Circuit Emergency Stay now online
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Government asked the 9th Circuit on the 10th for an "emergency stay" of the District Court's limited injunction that would let Prof. Bernstein publish his Snuffle software online. Now you'll find Bernstein's opposition to that motion, filed on the 17th, online. And the government's attempted emergency reply, filed on the 22nd. You will also find the 9th Circuit motions panel's terse order granting the government motion (blocking Bernstein from publishing online) and scheduling the case for very fast processing. The final 9th Circuit hearing will be in December, and we have a prospect for hearing a decision by Christmas. See http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/. (You may have to ask your browser to "Reload" to see the new changes.) John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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Re: Why the WHite amendment is a good idea (fwd)
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oops ... this may appear twice due to a mail hiccup. To: aweissman(a)mocc.com Subject: Re: Why the White amendment is a good idea (fwd) Cc: cypherpunks(a)algrebra.com > From: Aaron Weissman <aweissman(a)mocc.com> > > The NETCenter is a great idea. Very few of us would argue that our > society has an interest defining rules and in prosecuting their > transgression as crimes. Once we have agreed on that point, the > issue changes to a (still very important) discussion on methods. I believe MOST people would agree with this statement. I must point out, however, that your next statement does not logically follow because the primary complaint of the NSA/FBI is that unless the work factor is artificially reduced (via some method) to some negligible point, their jobs in the future will become much harder (that is, if all they do is stick with the same ol' operational methods) per intercept. In fact, they are claiming that "much harder" could mean "practically impossible". > creating a decryption lab (and funding it with tremendous amounts of > money), our society will fulfill the basic obligation to protect > against the transgression of our rules. I am ignoring the comments on protecting the US citizens against abuse of this lab. I seriously doubt they could abuse significant numbers of individuals given free market development of encryption. If there was only one standard (say, DES), then there would only be one target. If there were 100 standards and 1000 data formats each, you can pretty much kiss this lab good bye. It is much more likely that this lab will engage in breaking incompetent criminal-use cryptography. It is unlikely that this lab can engage in the sort of mass data sweeps that NSA has been priviledged enough to do in the past. This sudden drop in capabilities and sudden jump in cost per intercept will enforce the status quo which the FBI has had to deal with to today. The cost per intercept has been estimated at $50K per domestic target. This is expensive enough that it does not make sense to tap anyone except where the cost can really be justified. > I have no doubt that a considerable portion of the NETCenter's time > will be spent in matters of foreign intelligence. (As I said, we > cannot afford two massive decryption laboratories -- the NSA will > have to give its decryption mandate to this new agency). I completely disagree here. You might be right, but I give you 1 million to 1 odds. The NSA is absolutely NOT about to give up its role as the numero uno decryption lab without sacrificing many politicians (possibly with their lives, too, as its accountability to the public is near non-existent). The NSA is politically impossible to take on for very obvious reasons. > In other words, this is a great tool for prosecutors to use *after* > they have established probable cause in their most heinous cases, > and a strong guarantee that the eyes of the government will not > intrude into our persons, papers and effects. The astronomical cost per decryption and the lack of a guarantee that it might necessarily produce useful evidence will guarantee that this tool is not abused. I agree with this kind of conclusion. That is, I believe that, if any side of this debate is to be guaranteed anything, it should be that abuse is guaranteed to be low, rather than LE access is guaranteed to be easy. > The passage of this amendment helps ensure that the terms of this > debate remain centered on our civil liberties -- not kiddie porn. I assure you that this debate will always be shifted toward the "suitcase nuke", kiddie porn, child molestor and drug dealers by the FBI and the NSA in secret briefings. There is not a chance in hell they will give up the best PR tool they have to scare the legislators, judges and the president without anyone present to counter their arguments. Ern

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Re: Crypto-victory in Commerce
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Corrections: >So I'm sitting here in the lobbyist warren of the Capitol ^^^^ should be Capital Grille >to be conducted by the Attorney General, a NIST study on >crypto, and liability limitations on firms providing key ^^^^^^^^ should be NTIA study -Declan

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Why the White amendment is a good idea (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:06:33 -0600 From: Aaron Weissman <aweissman(a)mocc.com> To: "'fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu'" <fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu> Subject: Why the White amendment is a good idea -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Today, the House Commerce Committee made an important statement which will have lasting ramifications on the status of personal privacy in our nation for the foreseeable future. I know what you all are thinking -- former White staffer, praising his old boss. In the interests of total disclosure, I did work for Rep. White, and I still think he is an all-around great guy. However, solely on the merits of this amendment, I believe that it deserves the support of the Internet community (whatever *that* is). The NETCenter is a great idea. Very few of us would argue that our society has an interest defining rules and in prosecuting their transgression as crimes. Once we have agreed on that point, the issue changes to a (still very important) discussion on methods. By creating a decryption lab (and funding it with tremendous amounts of money), our society will fulfill the basic obligation to protect against the transgression of our rules. However, despite the worst intentions of some, this laboratory cannot be an indiscriminate tool. The United States Government may be a the ultimate example as an organization possessing "national means," however, it's resources are far from infinite. In addition, such a lab would require our very best and brightest mathematicians. We may be able to afford one of these labs, but more would be a large stretch. Once this NETCenter exists, the demands for it's services will soon outstrip it's resources. In addition, the massive cost involved per use would be large enough to attract public scrutiny. I have no doubt that our government could crack the very largest keys if it were to through billions of dollars at the problem. However, in an age of shrinking budgets and a commitment to a balanced budget, that much money is not spent without considerable oversight. I have no doubt that a considerable portion of the NETCenter's time will be spent in matters of foreign intelligence. (As I said, we cannot afford two massive decryption laboratories -- the NSA will have to give its decryption mandate to this new agency). In sum, this amendment gives us a powerful decryption laboratory with a great deal of sunshine on its use and limited resources on behalf of law enforcement. These factors make the NETCenter a great tool for targeted decryption, but they also guarantee that appropriate judicial supervision is acquired before the NETCenter can be used. In other words, this is a great tool for prosecutors to use *after* they have established probable cause in their most heinous cases, and a strong guarantee that the eyes of the government will not intrude into our persons, papers and effects. The passage of this amendment helps ensure that the terms of this debate remain centered on our civil liberties -- not kiddie porn. If we are going to win this argument (and the stakes are very large) we have to keep this debate framed with our criteria. Many may disagree with me on these points, and I we -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNCm5F7il6vI+AAoXAQFlIgQAkvC7ABgdpCV0AzTn5eXLW/A4zsXObRIr NpOEVm0SvNsY7VWq3YoPQpetoP5sU/Z2tE4Vepl9jgxFAY3YVv9ZczrbTGdKKO1T Il3s779jI/8fGAUuOaP2B81mowOSO9NsLa462VjyaFkB7kY9gEin3LCT6Gf/cyvk Agp98YVAY4M= =ueWO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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A maybe workable idea
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am not certain about how well this would work. I am certain that the LEA community would try and compromise or stop it at some point. The idea is to get the ACLU or some other group with some name recognition in the software/privacy/free-speech realm to sponsor a program to certify programs with crypto as GAK-free. I think that having software with a big yellow sticker stating "certified not to contain Government backdoors or other peepholes into your data" would have a useful effect on the buying public. I wonder if a "truth in labeling" law could be pushed through... Imagine a big sticker on products that say "Government agencies can read files created by this product without your knowledge". Probably a pipe dream. I can see a number of problems with it. Microsoft would bully their way into getting the cert GAKed or not. The FBI would probably put pressure on the retail chains to avoid products pushing political messages such as freedom from Government intrusion from being sold. It would be worth a try at least...

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Plea from a parent who wants to keep their kid free of SSNs
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:12:58 +0000 From: "David C. Treibs" <sirdavid(a)ktc.com> To: "(David C. Treibs)" < (SirDavid(a)ktc.com)> Subject: Need Help with IRS Problems David C. Treibs Fredericksburg, TX 78624 sirdavid(a)ktc.com Hi. We are in trouble with the IRS, and we need help. For religious reasons (explained below), we do not have Social Security numbers for our children, the oldest of 4 being 5 years old. Last year we sent in our return, as we have always done, without SSNs for our children. My wife and I do have social security numbers, and we sent those. IRS sent us a letter saying they were disallowing our exemptions since we had no SSNs for them. They gave us the opportunity to contest their disallowance, which we did by sending them our children's birth certificates; and letters from our parents, and a letter from our pediatrician, stating the children we claimed were indeed our children and our dependents. We don't have a problem proving that we are claiming legitimate dependents. IRS accepted the information we sent them, and accepted our exemptions. This year we again sent IRS our return without numbers for our children, but this time we included the letter of acceptance for last year's return, and again they said they are disallowing our exemptions, and they want $1,175.79. I called the telephone number on the letter and spoke with the lady who answered, explaining what we did last year and how the IRS accepted our tax return. The lady said "now we have new rules." She asked, "What religion are you," as if it mattered. When I told her we were Christians, she paused as though to consult some paperwork, and then she said, "those children need social security numbers or you cannot claim them." She mentioned the Tax Reform Act of 1996 and Publication 553 as being the enabling documents that brought on this change. That same day I called U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith's office and explained the situation. The nice lady in the San Antonio office said she would pass the information to the Kerrville office, and they would do what they could. The lady in the Kerrville office made several inquiries. She repeatedly said we had the right to appeal, and she sent us a copy of: --Internal Revenue Code: Income, Estate, Gift, Employment and Excise Taxes ss 1001-End As of Sept 15, 1996, Volume 2. Subtitle F, Ch. 61B, Sec 6109(a)-6109(h). Sec. 6109(e)--Repealed Is the rather odd heading for the only part I could find in the portion of the Code they sent me that says you must have a SSN or you will not be allowed an exemption. I wonder if that means the section is repealed? But then, the probably have it in some other section that the SSN is required. See IRC Sec. 151 (97) below. --What appears to be a news release titled: Valid Taxpayer Identification Numbers Needed For Returns 1996 IRB LEXIS 344; IR-96-50 --Internal Revenue Code...This section is current through 105-15, approved 5/15/97. Subtitle A. Income Taxes Chapter 1. Normal Taxes and Surtaxes Subchapter B. Computation of Taxable Income Part V. Deductions for Personal Exemptions IRC Sec. 151 (1997) (e) says no exemption will be allowed unless the Taxpayer Identification Number is included on the return. At present we are awaiting a letter from IRS, which we assume will state that we must either provide SSNs for our children or pay up, and they will probably give us 60 days or less to do either. Having received the above distressing information, we called a San Antonio, Texas, CPA, Ken Flint, a former IRS agent who now specializes in helping people in trouble with the IRS. He said it would cost us more to fight them than to simply pay the extra money. He sounded sympathetic, if somewhat busy, and told us we could do the appeal if we knew the law and IRS procedures. Unfortunately, I know neither. Perhaps at this stage you could help us. I need to hear from someone who has successfully appealed this sort of thing and won. What are the applicable laws? What is the case law in this matter? What are the IRS procedures in these matters? Are there any laws that might give us an out, such as the Religious Rights Restoration Act, and other such high sounding laws? Is there an attorney out there who wants to make a precedent out of this for us and all the other like-minded folks? If you have no direct knowledge of IRS laws and procedures, perhaps you could pass this to a forum or organization or individual who could. While we are aware of the various movements such as the sovereign citizen, the patriots, tax protesters, and so on, we prefer to work within the system to win our case. This is simply our preference. We don't have a problem with proving that we are not making bogus claims on our tax returns. We'd be happy to give them whatever reasonable proof they want. We do have a big problem with giving our children a government number. The Bible gives the responsibility of raising children to parents, not to the government or any other entity. Forcing Social Security Numbers on children represents a major violation of parents' God-given responsibility. The SSN's powers can be divided into two basic categories: monitoring and control; neither of which is within government's purview in dealing with children. These are entirely the parents' job, Hillary Clinton's postulations that "It Takes a Village" notwithstanding. Once a child has a SSN, they are forever a blip on the government radar, to be tracked, and to be the recipient of whatever government decides it must foist upon children and their families. SSN's are already used in our public school district to track students. Much of their test scores and who knows what personal data is in the district's computers, including a SSN. The district told us it probably won't be long before all this data is sent to the state, and how long will it be before this information ends up with the federal government? The Clintons are working to push us into nationalized health care, including government health care for children. Did you ever wonder how they plan to track all these children, to ensure they are receiving all the "benefits" of their plans? Very likely, the SSN. The "benefits" might include "inoculations" against pregnancy, which amounts to powerful birth control/abortifacient drugs, parental consent not needed or desired. Then, of course, there is the "education," accompanying this government intrusion into child health, which is irreconcilably opposed to my beliefs. The Clintons are also working to push us into the UN Rights of the Child Treaty, which shifts many parental rights and responsibilities to the government. The Clintons want to bypass parents and directly access children. How do you think they plan to monitor and enforce compliance with this horrible treaty? The SSN, in my opinion. Once every child has a SSN, it will also be easier for the state to nose in on the parent's job. With the recent birth of our fourth child, we were told that a state social worker from the welfare department would be visiting our home, and the home of everyone who has a child. If our child had a SSN, they could easily computerize all her data and then link it to any other data from us, our other children, and so on. It could be done without SSNs, but it would be more difficult and time consuming, and on a large scale, next to impossible. The state of Texas provides a good example of what a state will do when given access to the power of the SSN. Starting this year Texas requires SSNs to issue a driver's license. Now that they have linked the driver's license with a SSN, they can easily access a person's records, including court records, and anyone not paying child support may be denied a driver's license. This is just one example of the power of the SSN, and how government can use it to force its agenda on the populace. Whatever government grants or allows, it can withhold or restrict based on whatever is politically correct at the time, if they have the tools to do so. When people who disagree with you hold power over you, and when they want to extend that power to your children, you better be ready for trouble. The SSN enables anyone with access to the right data bases to know every address you ever had; details about your job, income, and taxes; school records; all financial transactions not made with greenbacks; probably all your telephone and utility details, including all your phone calls; doctor, hospital, and other medical details; all court and police records; and on and on and endlessly on. This is all your personal information, available to government at the snap of a finger, and this information is power. Now imagine if every child has a SSN, that power will extend down to the womb even more than it does now. We are not willing to give the government power over our children. Why should we, when children are none of government's business until they reach adulthood? Why tempt government with all that power, when they have already proven they will abuse it? For Liberty, David C. Treibs (sirdavid(a)ktc.com)

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Re: Crypto-victory in Commerce; Oxley talks about nuking Congress
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >At 6:37 PM -0700 9/24/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>least if you've heard it 17 times in the past few weeks. So >>today Rep. Oxley whipped out his trump card: if you don't >>vote for my amendment, you'll get blown up! "How about some >>terrorist orgainztion acting with impunity because they >>have the ability to communicate with impunity gets a hold >>of a Russian nuclear device and threatens to blow up the >>Capitol of the United States?" > >Sounds to me like Oxley is presaging the Reichstag Fire. Or another Lusitania. The German government during World War I had a policy of sinking any ship carrying armaments to Britain. While the Lusitania was a civilian ship, the allies were secretly loading it with ammunition. This was known to the German government which announced that it would attempt to sink the ship. This was advertised in New York newspapers by the German embassy in the weeks before the Lusitania's departure. The German torpedo appears to have set off the munitions in the hold which caused the ship to sink more quickly, magnifying the loss of life. Ironically, while the allies were responsible for using the civilians on board as shields, the Germans were held responsible for the deaths. This was used as a propaganda tool to persuade the American people that the country should enter World War I. By an odd coincidence, Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill worked together on the Lusitania project, foreshadowing their later work together. Many U.S. wars have started with similar incidents. The Spanish-American War started when a U.S. naval ship (The Maine) blew up in Havana harbor. Curiously, no officers were on board at the time. Some suspect Pearl Harbor was managed to maximize the shock of the American people. There was also an incident in the North Atlantic with a German ship which was used to justify U.S. involvement in the European war. And let's not forget the Gulf of Tonkin incident which prompted the Congress to grant the President sweeping powers. The only real question is whether the stakes are high enough at this time to justify some sort of provocative incident. It seems reasonable that the bureacracies of Russia and the United States would recognize their common interest against the people of both countries and the whole world. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNCqtJJaWtjSmRH/5AQGDUAf+M11KrzZs1YNB7Vlp76v3aMUvui3tuOgD 131nI0GNq+risLJ8WPt8ZrRzYQ9yZ4X9KKFFa1okWVyQL7Nii6xMs+rcMG+xqv7/ cMErgdPpbeuwzBTYNZDON0x5JUTcwvqzNZjMpAhaY4fZwHF6s5caArWZDAuAl2gC 2IJY8DDnDmhy9uQwJA/WCxpJi/D9/lJ/gaXY5Y3LMCfK0y7iUaQZH4/cEdupRklq L6MrSvGOn8rNuc+X5PNGDM6FMg6Mv035+tu0or1q07zN3cAnTo1tmXQA0tcp1/Vz SZNsbH7RF9pPTY1mzyWCqxGe8O+/m+CTuI+VeQ0wHPcu15Bg2gS5Hw== =Wvmm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #13 (fwd)
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is a forward of the CFD where PGP was mentionned. I posted several off-topic messages to the CFD, to introduce theses peoples to encryption, digital signatures, e$, etc. For thoses who are curious about firearms related politics in Kanada, this it *the* forum for it. Take note that the Allan Rock discussed in the various posts is the former Canada Justice Minister, now Canada Health Minister, who fanatically drafted and frantically pushed bill C-68, the gun registration bill. Just so you know, now, in Kanada, simple possession of *any* firearms or some other weapons *is* a crime passible of 14 year of imprisonement, *unless* you get a permit that, in effect, waive that crime. Of course, they say that they make it simple and reasonable to get it, but what the authorities want is to disamr the population. Recently, they did not even shy out at saying it explicitely. Among their plans, the outright confiscation without compensation of a great number of now Verboten types of firearms. And you thought that the Kool Komrades were very far from you... JFA PGP key at w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon or at the MIT key server. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:03:08 -0600 From: Cdn-Firearms Digest <owner-cdn-firearms-digest(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> To: cdn-firearms-digest(a)broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #13 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, September 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 013 In this issue: re: mor(e )on Bill C-68 Unique registration Re: Claire Hoy on "Free Speech" -- The Hill Times Re: Carry Permits Police Function in Canada (mtoma) Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) www.pgp.com Foundations of Canadian Life re: The Police Function in Canada antique guns With friends like these ... Re: More Moronic Ramblings research links Re: Bill C-68 is not yet in force... Home-invasion victim winds up facing gun-storage charges ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:12:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Skeeter Abell-Smith" <ab133(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: re: mor(e )on Bill C-68 >then what the government should do is to totally outlaw the private >ownership of all handguns, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Such >weapons should be reserved for the police and military alone. Someone >once said that rifles were designed for hunting and, thereby, putting >food on the table, but handguns were designed for one purpose and one >purpose only: to kill people. The same goes for automatic weapons and >assault rifles. So get rid of them altogether (and to hell with the >target shooters - let them use air pistols!). "Automatic weapons" are machine guns, i.e. they are "fully automatic" (can fire many rounds with one trigger squeeze). "Assault rifles" are machine guns (of a specific type). There are 4500 Canadians who may own registered machine guns, and do. There has never been a registered machine gun used in a crime or suicide by its owner. I've never found an incident of one being stolen and used. So why ban them? There are one million registered pistols, used safely every year. Less than five are involved in a homicide each year, including justifiable homicides. More than 80% of the 600 annual homicides do not involve a pistol, let alone a registered pistol. So why ban them? If I can be trained and trusted to own use a car/chainsaw/airplane/ whatever safely, I should be able to be trained and trusted to own and use _any_ kind of firearm safely. Period. What's more dangerous: Using a gun at a range or flying an aircraft over a city? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:16:32 -0600 (CST) From: SBKracer <cronhelm(a)nucleus.com> Subject: Unique registration I own a Remington, WWII era, 1911A1 with a new serial number stamped over the spot where the original would have been. In fact some of the original number can still be seen. What are the chances this handgun is uniquely registered? The new serial number is a 5 digit number but I have NO IDEA where the number came from, who supplied it or who stamped it on. I am at least the third owner (that I know of) of this particular pistol since it entered Canada. I also own an Allan rock special which with the slide removed has NO markings at all save for a four digit number stamped on the backstrap. Could this number possibly be a patent number? I don't know how many digits typically make up a patent number. The pistol is an Arizzabalaga Terrible (at least that is what it says on the registration certificate) made circa 1920. Nice name for a gun huh? The "Terrible!" Specially considering it is chambered for that manstopping 6.35 (.25ACP) cartridge. Peter Cronhelm ZX-7 Carbon Fibre Racing Machine SBKracer YSR/YZ80 The Little Beast "I'm not the man you say I am, not radical nor mentally deranged." - -Sons of Freedom- "Without the threat of death, what's the point in living at all!" - -Marilyn Manson- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:17:29 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" <jstevens(a)serix.com> Subject: Re: Claire Hoy on "Free Speech" -- The Hill Times skeeter wrote: > >Claire Hoy has a good column on "Free Speech" in this week's The Hill >Times. > >http://www.thehilltimes.ca/hilltimes/hoy.html AND while you're there, take time to read: Plan to introduce bills in Senate sparks fury in government and opposition benches. It's sometimes kind of scarry how our democratic government subtly attempts to circumvent democracy. [sometimes?... -- Skeeter] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:47:21 -0600 (CST) From: Juha Askola <krista(a)rapidnet.net> Subject: Re: Carry Permits Yes, you can take your friends handgun provided you are in possession of a valid carry permit and green slip belonging to the gun you're carrying. I don't know the law on this one but I would play it safe. When I purchased my .45, I just took the receiver part to the police but still with a trigger lock. Took a little arguing to make them understand that they don't need or require slide or barrel to register a gun, it was fun. Chao, Juha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:48:44 -0600 (CST) From: someone(a)inter.net Subject: Police Function in Canada (mtoma) >[Moderator: This may or may not be "official policy." Without knowing the >context or the original author it is difficult to evaluate. HTB] [snip] >This particular document is by far the scariest federal gun control >document I have ever seen. In short it outlines stategies for gun >confiscation and prohibition orders for gun owning citizens and the >general disarmament of the populace. [snip] Even if this document is a complete fake, which we have no way of finding out, it is very possible something similar is in the works. Just look at UK and Australia! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:49:33 -0600 (CST) From: someone(a)inter.net Subject: Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) www.pgp.com In previous issues of the CFD, the issues of using and the governments' attempts to restrict the use of Pretty Good Privacy encryption software (www.pgp.com) was discussed and compared to restricting the use of firearms. I noticed a lot of users of this list have their PGP fingerprint attached to their message, which is great. However, a lot of people are reluctant to use PGP because it was difficult to use and install. For those using Eudora (16-bit or 32-bit), PGP Inc. has a special offer to have a full version of PGP 5.0 for Eudora plug-in, which supports both RSA and DSS/DH algorithm, for US$5 (five dollars). Personally, I think it is money well spent, with governments creeping up on us, you never know when you HAVE TO encrypt all your email. Go to www.pgp.com for more details. I'm in no way shape or form related to PGP Inc, Qualcomm, or anyone who might benefit from the sale of PGP or Eudora. I'm just an immigrant to this great country and would love to preserve the freedom we enjoy. [Also visit the PGP resources listed under "Freedom sites" at the cdn-firearms home page. http://cdn-firearms.ml.org/ -- Skeeter] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:51:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Geoff Stokes" <geoff_stokes(a)bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: Foundations of Canadian Life Recently, a local reporter found himself in a precarious position. He's been reporting on a ticket fixing case and he has a good source close to the investigation. My point is that his article seems to echo the fears some members of the RFC have with regard to the latest gun control scheme: >From the article entitled: Call Threatens Foundation of Canadian Life. "Two weeks ago I received a thinly veiled threat from someone who is either a policeman or somehow connected with the police...Then it became clear that it was the very idea that a pion like me would dare meddle with the RCMP...Finally, he said, If you start messing around with the big boys, you're going to get an education in life...the fact that most people believe that the police, the ones who are supposed to protect us, are capable of the kind of harassment and intimidation that my anonymous caller alluded to...To date, I'm happy to report that there have been no unexplained searches of my vehicle, no funny clicks on my phone and nothing to suggest that I am anyone's particular target...But I don't even like thinking that those things are a possibility, not in this country." hmmmm..., sounds an awful lot like what it may be like under Bill C-68 concerning increased police discretion; or how an uncooperative, non-complier may be treated in future..., or am I really going paranoid?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:21:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Skeeter Abell-Smith" <ab133(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: re: The Police Function in Canada >From: SBKracer <cronhelm(a)nucleus.com> > >[The moderator wrote: This may or may not be "official policy." >Without knowing the context or the original author it is difficult to >evaluate. HTB] > >Sunday at a gunshow in Cow Town I got a copy of a news letter containing a >Federal document on gun control dated 1977. This document had been >e-mailed by <mtoma(a)compusmart.ab.ca>. The excerpt printed in digest number 10 (volume 2) was scary, but I think the one below is worse. ___________________________________________________________________ As regards the Police Function in Canada, prior to passage of the foregoing it was the opinion of the administrations: 1. That in face of mass civil disobedience the use of Force had limited capabilities.... 2. That in face of mass civil disobedience any display of available Force would not have credibility.... ....as far as an armed and organized Public was concerned and it was felt in the interests of the Function that it was desirous to ensure the Public be discretely but effectively disarmed over a period of the forthcoming 5 years. The foregoing is not entirely the opinion of the administrations of the Function, but is one which has been voiced generally even at the rank and file level...that being that the absence of firearms in the hands of the Public in general would increase the safety of a Patrolmans work. With the passage of the Firearms Section of the Criminal Code of Canada Amendments, having been predetermined that in regards to the Functions ability as a Control and Enforcement Agency there was: 1. A lack of personnel suitably indoctrinated at specific assignment levels and sectors within the proposed Control Structure. 2. A requirement for the adequate indoctrination and training time, 3. A requirement for time to phase in the various levels and sectors of the proposed Control Structure independently of one and another in a manner which would not create alarm, nor allow premature rapport. 4. A requirement for time to nullify the credibility of alarmists and dissenters. ___________________________________________________________________ This document was obtained from MP Peter Elzinga. I had been faxed a copy back in 1994, but the source was "unknown". We may never know if it was/is for real... read it all in Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #860 http://cdn-firearms.ml.org/cdn-firearms/Digests/v01n800-899/v01n860 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:15:14 -0600 (CST) From: dcmiller(a)mail.island.net (douglas c miller) Subject: antique guns I think the Dave's answer in regard to the antique guns in digest V2 #12 was a little weak. My first objection is that an 1864 Enfield MkII* is probably a Snider Enfield and as such would be .58 caliber and I very much doubt that it would be found in .303. I think that Dave is mistaking it for a Martini Enfield. His second comment re Winchesters would have been far more accurate if he had stated Winchester repeaters/carbines came in the following models. The model 1885 is a single shot in high wall and low wall models and I don't believe would ever have been referred to as a saddle ring carbine. What is perhaps more instructive of the questions posed is the error or risk of registering one's own guns as illustrated by the owner who works in or in conjunction with a museum appears to have made at least one descriptive mistake. Just my $.02 worth D.C. Miller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:54:14 -0600 (CST) From: jean hogue <jean_hogue(a)sympatico.ca> Subject: With friends like these ... >>I am an archaeologist by >>profession and work for the **************** government. >> ... >>On the other hand, if there is really that >>great a concern over public safety (as opposed to the amount of revenue >>that can be generated by this punitive registration/licensing system), >>then what the government should do is to totally outlaw the private >>ownership of all handguns, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Such >>weapons should be reserved for the police and military alone. > I think Dave's reply to this was far too polite. Yet another case where this quote by Pastor Martin Niemoller is so appropriate: "In Germany they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. They came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade Unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade Unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." Just under what logic does this government archaeologist justify banning the best-behaved guns in the country ? Several thousands (I believe 5,000) automatic weapons were lawfully registered before 1979 by non-military, non-police law-abiding citizens. Not a single one has ever been involved in a crime of violence. As for automatic weapons being reserved strictly to the police and military, two things: 1- the only two cases of homicides committed with automatic weapons legally registered were: a) military: Corporal Lortie killed three in the Quebec National Assembly (provincial govm't) -- 1985 or 1986; b) police: in Rock Forest, police fired a burst from an Uzi, through the motel room door, killing a labourer police mistakenly assumed to be the hold-up suspect they were looking for -- early 1980's. 2- the government archaeologist sounds just like Allan "Alibi Al" Rock: "I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." Allan Rock, Canada's previous Minister of Justice Maclean's "Taking Aim on Guns", April 25, 1994, p 12 Pay attention to the man behind the curtain. A recent "study" by police of guns recovered at crime scenes "concluded" that "legal" guns (they meant unrestricted) were used in crime far more often than handguns and evil semi-automatic "assault" rifles. The government archaeologist's toys are deemed by police to be even more dangerous than the toys being condemned by the archaeologist. I have really lost patience for this mentality of throwing off "wolf meat" from the dogsleigh to escape the wolves. The archaeologist is simply advocating that the gun owner community sell off owners of handguns and semi-automatics so that people like the archaeologist can be left alone with their more politically-correct toys. All this based on nothing more than an _iffy_ "concern". Thanks for the back-stabbing and dream on! As Max Headroom said: with friends like these, who needs an oenema? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:55:47 -0600 (CST) From: dons(a)Cadabratech.com (Don Shesnicky) Subject: Re: More Moronic Ramblings Here's an interesting story along this theme... I caught this one on CBC radio two days ago while driving into work. It was an excerpt from something that, I believe it was Martin Bell from the BBC, said during a book presentation in Ottawa. He stated something to the effect that the media could never be detached from the stories they covered. As an example he put forth this story, which was said to be true and which I will put into my own words: It seems that a reporter visiting Bosnia wanted to do a story on snipers. A Bosnian commander told him to go with one of his snipers. They crawled into place and after the sniper took a look out onto a street told the reporter to take a peek and tell him what he saw. After looking the reporter said he could see two civilians standing in the street. The sniper asked him which one should die. The reporter realizing that he suddenly didn't want to be there explained at length to the sniper that he didn't want either of them to die. As he turned to go he heard two shots. He turned back to the sniper who said "Too bad, you could have saved one of them". Powerful story. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:20:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Skeeter Abell-Smith" <ab133(a)sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: research links A couple of good links from the Cdn-Firearms Home Page (under "research"): http://www.nra.org/research/rihome.html and http://www.nra.org/research/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:01:28 -0600 (CST) From: griffith(a)comnet.ca Subject: Re: Bill C-68 is not yet in force... >> and an 1885 >>Winchester saddle-ring carbine w/octagonal barrel in very fine >>condition. >Winchesters went through Models 1873, to 1876, to 1886, to 1892, to >1894. Which do you have, and in what calibre? There is no Model >1885. I got stuck with one of them fake model 1885 too. I guess I should of been more suspicious when the guy who sold it to me kept referring to it as a "High Wall". Sure is pretty. but i ain't worked out yet how do I load the magazine. Gerald Griffith " The easiest thing in the world to achieve is the effective disapproval of any sort of uncritically vested authority. " < Alexander King > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:05:49 -0600 (CST) From: "David A. Tomlinson" <nfadat(a)telusplanet.net> Subject: Home-invasion victim winds up facing gun-storage charges Thursday, September 25, 1997 Home-invasion victim winds up facing gun-storage charges By SKANA GEE -- The Daily News The victim of a home invasion in Middle Sackville last month now has his own date with a judge. Clarence Joseph Arsenault, 60, was charged yesterday with illegal storage of firearms, stemming from an investigation into the robbery at his house Aug. 27. "They were kept in a room that wasn't secured very well and they were not secured very well," said Lower Sackville RCMP Const. Lynn Tardif. "They were kind of just in disarray." She said Mounties seized about 60 handguns, rifles and shotguns, including those that were stolen during the home invasion, during which Arsenault's elderly mother and seven-year-old grandson were tied up with rope and duct tape. Return Oct. 1 The two men charged in that incident return to Bedford provincial court Oct. 1 to make their election. The charge against Arsenault alleges he stored restricted firearms without failing to render them inoperable by a secure locking device and storing them in a locked container or room "that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open." "It's one charge dealing with all the different firearms," said Tardif. She said many people in the community knew the Lakeview Avenue man was a gun collector, a situation aggravated by the fact his weapons were "easy to get at." Just after the home invasion, Arsenault told The Daily News he had begun to clean the guns "for the next gun show." He also said he expected to be charged. Tardif said police sympathize with Arsenault's family for the ordeal they experienced, but they maintain the charge is warranted. "It put everybody in a bad situation as far as I'm concerned," she said. "We have a job to do. We have no choice, but we also want to raise awareness about this kind of thing." Tardif said she could only speculate on what might have occurred if the weapons had been stored differently. "I don't know if you can necessarily prevent the robbery, but it would have made it a lot harder for them," she said. Arsenault will be arraigned Nov. 19. Joshua Alexander Pelley, 23, and Kenneth Wayne Beazley, 20, are charged with committing robbery by stealing guns while using threats of violence; break, enter and theft; and wearing a mask while committing an indictable offence in connection with the home invasion. The NFA has supplied Mr. Arsenault with transcripts of court decisions that indicate the charge against him [CC s. 86(3), storage "in violation of a regulation"] cannot be used because it is a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. THE NFA STRONGLY CONDEMNS THE CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE FOR NOT MAKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AWARE OF THE DEFECTS IN THESE "STORAGE" CHARGES. THE CFC, BY ITS REFUSAL TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION ABOUT IMPROPER CHARGES LIKE THIS, IS CONTRIBUTING TO ABUSIVE ENFORCEMENT. PLEASE WRITE TO THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND DEMAND JUSTICE! IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY SIMPLE FOR THE CFC TO DEVOTE ONE ISSUE OF THEIR "BULLETIN" TO THE PROBLEMS OF CC S. 86(2) AND (3), BUT THEY INSIST ON DELIVERING USELESS INFORMATION AND REFUSE TO PUBLISH IN AREAS LIKE THIS WHERE ABUSE IS RAMPANT. THEY WILL NOT PUBLISH ANYTHING THAT REDUCES THE ABUSE LEVELS. AND THAT IS WRONG. CC s. 86(3) imposes a sentence of up to two years imprisonment. The charge leaves no room for a defence of "due diligence" (I didn't do it the way the regulations said to, but I did do it in a way that had the same or a better effect). That being so, storage in the alternative way leaves one guilty of the offence, and that is a violation of the Charter right to liberty. The accused can be sent to prison for up to two years -- when the accused has done nothing wrong. That is a violation of the Charter right to "fundamental justice." The R. vs. Smillie case (BC Supreme Court) ruled that CC s.86(3) violates the Charter as indicated above, and therefore cannot be used. R. vs. Finlay (Supreme Court of Canada) ruled that CC s. 86(2) and (3) are regulatory law rather than proper criminal law, and that therefore a proper defence of "due diligence" shall succeed. Dave Tomlinson, NFA FOCUS: In trouble? Know someone who is in trouble? Learn of someone who is in trouble? Get in touch with the person in trouble, tell him or her to get help from the NFA. 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Lucky in the news
by ulf＠fitug.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Der kalifornische Cypherpunk Lucky Green is in the news. Today's issue of the German newspaper "Die Tageszeitung" has a lengthy article about PGP 5. http://www.taz.de/~taz/970925.taz/is_T970925.136.html

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RE: Why the White amendment is a good idea (fwd)
by Aaron Weissman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thursday, September 25, 1997 1:37 PM, Jeff Barber [SMTP:jeffb@issl.atl.hp.com] wrote: > We shouldn't have to "trick" Congress into doing the right thing, > or provide cover for them either. Ultimately, we are not going to "trick" them. Congress has tools, like CRS, that ensure that they (usually) have good information before a bill is sent to the President. However, why shouldn't we provide cover for them? You can be sure that Oxley, McCain, Kerrey, etc. will receive "cover" from the FBI and Law Enforcement. You can be sure that they will receive endorsements from all of the right "fraternal brotherhood of police whatever" organizations come election time. If a Member of Congress wants to support civil rights, I think that we *should* provide as much support and "cover" as possible. It's hard enough to publically support civil rights and free speech in today's media climate. We won yesterday because the Committee found a solution that gave them cover and allowed all parties to declare victory. I find that to be a very good thing. Aaron

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