December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PGP compatibility
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: >Of course your copy of PGP 5.0 is compatible with prior versions. I know >this, you know this, and the anonymous author claiming otherwise knows >this. He simply hopes that there are some people that don't know this. The >idea behind the original post and others like it over the last few days is >to spread FUD about PGP 5.0 after other attacks failed for lack of merrit. >If you repeat a lie often enough, eventually some people will believe you. >PSYOPS 101. Let's not fall for it. >[Yes, I know that DSA keys can not be read by PGP 2.6. Neither will Word >1.0 read Word 7.0 files. So what?] Let me guess, Lucky, you're using Windows, right? If I was a Windows user exclusively I probably wouldn't give a damn either. Robert's version is compatable because he's gone to strides to *make* it compatable. Most users haven't done this. PGP Inc. has taken a *multi-platform* *network-wide* system and broken it. They released a Windows version months ago completely severing lines of communication between 5.0 and 2.x users. Finally, after months, they get around to releasing a UNIX version so that everybody else can use PGP 5.x. Of course the damned thing *still* isn't stable, *still* has a timebomb in it, and *still* has the command line broken. PGP Inc. recommends that people report bugs, get new versions, etc. at http://beta.pgp.com, but as was covered in detail in another posting that site is a pretty much disabled (or incomplete if you want to think of it that way). Microsoft Word is something completely different. We aren't distributing Word 7.0 documents all over the Internet as a standard communications practice. When I encrypt a message to you using PGP 2.6, I'm using a version of a program which is released for certain platforms. When I encrypt a message to you using PGP 5.0 I'm using a version which is released for certain platforms, but not all the platforms 2.x was available on. 5.x produces messages which are incompatable with 2.x. As a result 2.x users, which includes the UNIX community (which, last I checked, was rather large), are excluded from the message traffic the Windows users are sending around. Of course I'm talking about signatures and sometimes encryption, but, again, last I checked that was a major reason to use PGP in the first place. Then again, given the quality of the average Window user's message traffic on the network today maybe that isn't such a great loss. It should be worthy of note that I'd be using one of the betas for 5.x right now if the PGP folks hadn't purposefully broken every script known to man. I can comment out the timebomb for the expired (i.e. broken in yet another way) versions they're releasing, or at least were as of last week. Let's redefine SMTP, NNTP, FTP, and HTTP so that they looks nothing like what currently exists, install it on major providers, and write a set of UNIX clients. When Windows and Mac users complain about this we can all stand up proudly and proclaim that they'll just have to wait a few months for somebody to write the software which will allow them to again take part, and that their complaining about this completely idiotic tactic is "FUD". And, of course, since the SMTP2, NNTP2, HTTP2, and FTP2 protocols are so much better than their previous versions (that wouldn't be too hard) this is all very smart and nobody should mind. If PGP Inc. had released a sane UNIX version along with their Mac and Winblows versions there would be considerably less bitching happening right now. Hell, they could have released patches for 2.6. Instead they've waited months and still don't have one out which works.

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Monty Cantsin README
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please post your public key somewhere. There's a variety of keyservers, or even to this list would be adequate. KeyMonger

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NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message From: KALLISTE(a)delphi.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 02:51:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: SNET: NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran War To: snetnews(a)world.std.com - -> SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe One of the dirty little secrets of the 1980s is that the U.S. regularly provided Iraq's Saddam Hussein with top-secret communication intercepts by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). Consider the evidence. When in 1991 the government of Kuwait paid the public relations firm of Hill & Knowlton ten million dollars to drum up American war fever against the evil dictator Hussein, it brought about the end of a long legacy of cooperation between the U.S. and Iraq. Hill & Knowlton resurrected the World War I propaganda story about German soldiers roasting Belgian babies on bayonets, updated in the form of a confidential witness (actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.) who told Congress a tearful story of Iraqi soldiers taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators and leaving them on the cold floor to die. President George Bush then repeated this fabricated tale in speeches ten times over the next three days. What is remarkable about this staged turn of events is that, until then, Hussein had operated largely with U.S. approval. This cooperation had spanned three successive administrations, starting with Jimmy Carter. As noted by John R. MacArthur, "From 1980 to 1988, Hussein had shouldered the burden of killing about 150,000 Iranians, in addition to at least thirteen thousand of his own citizens, including several thousand unarmed Kurdish civilians, and in the process won the admiration and support of elements of three successive U.S. Administrations" [1]. Hussein's artful slaughter of Iranians was aided by good military intelligence. The role of NSA in the conflict is an open secret in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. Only in this country has there been a relative news blackout, despite the fact that it was the U.S. administration that let the crypto cat out of the bag. First, U.S. President Ronald Reagan informed the world on national television that the United States was reading Libyan communications. This admission was part of a speech justifying the retaliatory bombing of Libya for its alleged involvement in the La Belle discotheque bombing in Berlin's Schoeneberg district, where two U.S. soldiers and a Turkish woman were killed, and 200 others injured. Reagan wasn't talking about American monitoring of Libyan news broadcasts. Rather, his "direct, precise, and undeniable proof" referred to secret (encrypted) diplomatic communication between Tripoli and the Libyan embassy in East Berlin. Next, this leak was compound by the U.S. demonstration that it was also reading secret Iranian communications. As reported in Switzerland's Neue Zrcher Zeitung, the U.S. provided the contents of encrypted Iranian messages to France to assist in the conviction of Ali Vakili Rad and Massoud Hendi for the stabbing death in the Paris suburb of Suresnes of the former Iranian prime minister Shahpour Bakhtiar and his personal secretary Katibeh Fallouch. [2] What these two countries had in common was they had both purchased cryptographic communication equipment from the Swiss firm Crypto AG. Crypto AG was founded in 1952 by the (Russian-born) Swedish cryptographer Boris Hagelin who located his company in Zug. Boris had created the "Hagelin-machine", a encryption device similar to the German "Enigma". The Hagelin machine was used on the side of the Allies in World War II. Crypto AG was an old and venerable firm, and Switzerland was a neutral country. So Crypto AG's enciphering devices for voice communication and digital data networks were popular, and customers came from 130 countries. These included the Vatican, as well the governments of Iraq, Iran, and Libya. Such countries were naturally skeptical of cryptographic devices sold in many NATO countries, so turned to relatively neutral Switzerland for communication security. Iran demonstrated its suspicion about the source of the leaks, when it arrested Hans Buehler, a top salesman for Crypto AG, in Teheran on March 18, 1992. During his nine and a half months of solitary confinement in Evin prison in Teheran, Buehler was questioned again and again whether he had leaked Teheran's codes or Libya's keys to Western powers. Luckily Buehler didn't know anything. He in fact believed in his own sales pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions. Then reports appeared on Swiss television, Swiss Radio International, all the major Swiss papers, and in German magazines like Der Spiegel. Had Crypto AG's equipment been spiked by Western intelligence services? the media wanted to know. The answer was Yes [4]. Swiss television traced the ownership of Crypto AG to a company in Liechtenstein, and from there back to a trust company in Munich. A witness appearing on Swiss television explained the real owner was the German government--the Federal Estates Administration. [5] According to Der Spiegel, all but 6 of the 6000 shares of Crypto AG were at one time owned by Eugen Freiberger, who resided in Munich and was head of the Crypto AG managing board in 1982. Another German, Josef Bauer, an authorized tax agent of the Muenchner Treuhandgesellschaft KPMG, and who was elected to the managing board in 1970, stated that his mandate had come from the German company Siemens. Other members of Crypto AG's management had also worked at Siemens. Was the German secret service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), hiding behind the Siemens' connection? So it would seem. Der Spiegel reported that in October 1970, a secret meeting of the BND had discussed how the Swiss company Graettner could be guided into closer cooperation with Crypto AG, or could even merged with it. The BND additionally considered how "the Swedish company Ericsson could be influenced through Siemens to terminate its own cryptographic business." [6] A former employee of Crypto AG reported that he had to coordinate his developments with "people from Bad Godesberg". This was the location of the "central office for encryption affairs" of the BND, and the service instructed Crypto AG what algorithms to use to create the codes. The employee also remembers an American "watcher", who strongly demanded the use of certain encryption methods. Representatives from NSA visited Crypto AG often. A memorandum of a secret workshop at Crypto AG in August 1975, where a new prototype of an encryption device was demonstrated, mentions the participation of Nora L. Mackebee, an NSA cryptographer. Motorola engineer Bob Newman says that Mackebee was introduced to him as a "consultant". Motorola cooperated with Crypto AG in the seventies in developing a new generation of electronic encryption machines. The Americans "knew Zug very well and gave travel tips to the Motorola people for the visit at Crypto AG," Newman told Der Spiegel. Knowledgeable sources indicate that the Crypto AG enciphering process, developed in cooperation with the NSA and the German company Siemans, involved secretly embedding the decryption key in the cipher text. Those who knew where to look could monitor the encrypted communication, then extract the decryption key that was also part of the transmission, and recover the plain text message. Decryption of a message by a knowledgeable third party was not any more difficult that it was for the intended receiver. (More than one method was used. Sometimes the algorithm was simply deficient, with built-in exploitable weaknesses.) Crypto AG denies all this, of course, saying such reports are ""pure invention". What information was provided to Saddam Hussein exactly? Answers to this question are currently being sought in a lawsuit against NSA in New Mexico, which has asked to see "all Iranian messages and translations between January 1, 1980 and June 10, 1996". [7] The passage of top-secret communications intelligence to someone like Saddam Hussein brings up other questions. Which dictator is the U.S. passing top secret messages to currently? Jiang Zemin? Boris Yeltsin? Will Saddam Hussein again become a recipient of NSA largess if he returns to the mass slaughter of Iranians? What exactly is the purpose of NSA anyway? One more question: Who is reading the Pope's communications? Bibliography [1] John R. MacArthur, Second Front: Censorship and Propaganda in the Gulf War, Hill and Wang, New York, 1992. [2] Some of the background of this assassination can be found in "The Tehran Connection," Time Magazine, March 21, 1994. [3] The Buehler case is detailed in Res Strehle, Verschleusselt: der Fall Hans Beuhler, Werd Verlag, Zurich, 1994. [4] "For years, NSA secretly rigged Crypto AG machines so that U.S. eavesdroppers could easily break their codes, according to former company employees whose story is supported by company documents," "No Such Agency, Part 4: Rigging the Game," The Baltimore Sun, December 4, 1995. [5] Reported in programs about the Buehler case that were broadcast on Swiss Radio International on May 15, 1994 and July 18, 1994. [6] "Wer ist der befugte Vierte?": Geheimdienste unterwandern den Schutz von Verschlusselungsgeraten," Der Spiegel 36, 1996. [7] U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico, William H. Payne, Arthur R. Morales, Plaintiffs, v. Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director of National Security Agency, National Security Agency, Defendant, CIV NO 97 0266 SC/DJS. - -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)world.std.com - -> Posted by: KALLISTE(a)delphi.com ------- End of Forwarded Message

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PGP and Compliance with SEC and Liability Rules
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A few weeks ago I said that I thought the real reason for PGP's CMR features and Policy Management Agent had little to do with the reasons being discussed (by PGP employees, amongst others), things like "What if Joe is not at his desk and his boss wants to access his encrypted e-mail?" (and variants). I explicitly speculated that the real reason had more to do with snooping on employees, with the corporate security and IS departments monitoring what is being sent and received, etc. I even mentioned compliance with SEC, FTC, and other agency rules. (And I'm not saying such compliance isn't a valid concern, even a mandated concern. And I'm not questioning the property rights of business owners to enforce policies on their property with their equipment as they see fit. I just think PGP is being disingenuous in saying they are not actually building in snoopware. They are, and the very same objections Phil Zimmermann had to Viacrypt's snoopware applies to PGP 5.5 and its "Policy Management Agent.") Well, it appears the real reason is now emerging. In the 1997-10-27 issue of "Macweek," an article on corporate use of crypto, including PGP, appears. "Mac encryption finding its way into corporations," by Larry Stevens, p. 27. Much discussion of crypto, symmetric vs. asymmetric approaches, reasons companies haven't been using crypto, etc. The final paragraph summarizes a key point: "The Gartner Group's Wheatman pointed out that PGP Policy Management Agent allows corporatins for the first time to centralize control over encryption: "For encryption to be accepted, IT had to gain control. This isn't Big Brother; this is necessary to comply with liability laws and SEC regulations."" Note: I presume "IT" stands for Information Technology, or somesuch. That is, some corporate Information Services or Computer Services group. In other words, snoops in some department need to use the Policy Management Agent to monitor messages. Perhaps PGP, Inc. will say that Gartner Group does not speak for them. Fair enough. But I think the Gartner comments correctly capture the real reason we hear that corporations are insisting on snoopware. And, incredibly dangerously for us all, why the SEC, FTC, OSHA, IRS, and other agencies may seize on CMR as a feature which "must" be turned on, with archives of messages kept, etc. Were I a bureaucrat in their shoes, I know I would certainly want CMR mandated. "Not for Big Brother, but to ensure compliance with corporate regulatory rules." This is the dangerous world PGP, Inc. is helping to build. And I expect now that RSADSI will enter this snoopware arms race and thus the escalation will begin in earnest. Sadly, had PGP kept true to its core foundations of personal privacy, it might have been able to exert some moral guidance and slow down this headlong rush into a snoopware world. But by becoming the annointed leader of Corporate Message Recovery and Policy Management Agent products, the other companies can jump in with their own snoopware products, pointing to PGP. Sad. Very sad. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Need info! / Re: Export a random number, go to jail
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 9:46 AM -0700 11/3/97, Peter D. Junger wrote: > > >: One time pads are under rated, in my view. Not only are they secure > >: forever, but the executive branch of the U.S. government says they are > >: exportable. > > > >If your basis for saying that the U.S. government says that one time > >pads are exportable was the governments classification of a one time > >that I wrote in DOS assembly language using XOR to munge together the > >contents of two files, I don't think that you can rely on that > >authority since, at the same time, the government refused to rule that > >all one time pads using XOR are not subject to licensing under the > >EAR. > > "Export a random number, go to jail." Is it legal to export '37'? How about '148'? '276'? '3,289,534'? '6.33458'? Thanks, A Fucking Iditot

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Re:
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Anonymous wrote: >> If I were someone who wanted to make the internet look like a place >> that needed STRONG governmental controls I would put the words >> terrorists,criminals,pornographers,drug dealers/addicts, > >Fnord. > I have been wondering about all the media attention on "aids assasins" recently. "With a national list of people infected with the HIV virus, people could be more informed about the people they choose to have sex with" I'm sure that this national list will never be used by corporations when hiring people. It will also never be used to discredit people either, who would say "why are you listening to him, he is a faggot" or "he hangs out with fags, you know how all fags are."

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Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs, by Jodi Hoffman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan: >[Wow. First time I've ever been personally accused of being "a major >reason for the downward spiral of society." --Declan] Best way to mobilize a society: give them a Devil to hate. It's much easier to get people to hate than to love. Blame the Press, the Permissive Society, the Liberals, the Educational System. Of course, once you get rid of the Devil, it's usually a good idea to have the slave's collars on everyone BEFORE they realize the problem's still around. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:53:27 -0500 >From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm(a)ibm.net> >To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Subject: Why porn must be stopped at all costs..... [sneck] >Try as I might, I cannot forget standing on the steps of the Supreme >Court building with my husband and 10 year old daughter in the freezing >drizzle. I really thought we could make a difference, standing there >with our banner and signs, one of which read, "DON'T SACRIFICE MY CHILD >ON THE ALTAR OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT." Stupid me. As the saying >goes...we've come a long way, baby. You need a song to cheer you up. Try this one: "There's a place in the world for the angry young man With his working-class ties and his radical plans, He refuses to bend, he refuses to fall, And he's always at home with his back to the wall. He's proud of the scars and the battles he's lost And he struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross, And he likes to be known as the angry young man." --Billy Joel, "Angry Young Man" [sneck] >So, keep protecting your porn-induced orgasms. That's exactly what >happened with the Hitler youth, etc... After all, I'm sure it does help >to blur the lines of reality. You clearly need a better country to live in. I suggest China; they have a long history of keeping impure materials out of the hands of the easily influenced sheeple. If you have trouble there, perhaps Singapore, Iraq, Syria, or Lebanon would be more to your liking. If you're interested in a proven weight-loss program, maybe North Korea is your best bet. [sneck] >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #1: CORRUPT THE NATION'S YOUTH Done already, by the gub'mint. Kids can't read or write at all nowadays, despite the high level of per-pupil spending. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #2: CONTROL THE MASS MEDIA Done already, by the FCC and the religious right. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #3: ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INDIFFERENCE Done already, by the actions of mudsucker politicians who seek re-election at any cost, even the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. "I think I'll vote Demopublican this year, or maybe Republicrat. I have such a hard time telling their extremist positions apart." >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #4: ENCOURAGE PUBLIC BICKERING I could claim this was the reason Usenet was created, but I'm not a conspiracy buff. Of course, on C-SPAN, we can see politicians ranting at each other, the President, and nothing at all. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #5: SEIZE POWER, THEN CENSOR The religious right again. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #6: BANKRUPT THE GOVERNMENT See if you can guess who said this and when: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." Was it: a) Alexander Tytler, 18th century; b) Thomas Jefferson, early 1800s; c) Karl Marx, late 1800s; d) V. I. Lenin, 1915 Here's a hint: Pick the Scottish historian who lived in the 1700s. So the concept of a "bankrupt democracy" has been around for a while. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #7: DESTROY NATIONAL VALUES Create a climate of fear. Spread uncertainty and doubt among the populace. Wave the battle flags of pedophilia and terrorism proudly from the ramparts, so that people gladly give up their liberties to be saved from the Horsemen of the Apocalypse. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #8: ATTACK GUN OWNERSHIP If someone were to hang around your child's schoolyard with a full-auto AK-47, would you scream "DON'T SACRIFICE MY CHILD ON THE ALTAR OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT"? >RULES FOR REVOLUTION #9 AND #10: UNDERMINE THE ARMED FORCES Hey, that's one rule! >THE REALITY: >Our country's armed forces consume a vast percentage of our gross >national product. Defense of any kind is wasteful by nature. Even white corpuscles don't do jack when there's no infection to fight. >We possess the best and most advanced weapons systems in the world. But >our armed forces are a joke for two reasons: >(1) they are completely restrained in their actions by a hostile >Congress, and >(2) the armed forces have been saddled with such a bad reputation that >it is virtually impossible to fill the ranks with volunteers, even in >the new and streamlined armed services. Say what? The last I heard, military recruiting was up because it was a way to get training in technical areas that might otherwise be impossible for recruits to learn. (Of course, some people still have to carry rifles...) >FINAL REALITY: WELCOME TO AMERIKA, COMRADES. Land of the Freeh, and the home of the knave. Thanks for making it just a little worse by your actions.

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Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol
by Chris Wedgwood 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear <steve(a)lvdi.net> writes: [...] In the second part, Eric predicted that because of the Net's economics and anonymous mailing and publication potential copyrights were on their way out. He acknowledged that some workable method of artist compensation was still needed and proposed the movie industry as a possible model. In this scenario a multi-level money collection and product distribution scheme would be supported by artist reputation and completion bonds. This is just an observation, I have no idea how true this is and if it is to what extent, but... I have several friends who work in the `movie business' and all of these people claim that the "multi-level money collection" system is in fact a very poor system. There is considerable fraud and abuse at all levels (from cinema to production) which means that the end result is that the artists are no paid all they are `owed' and that the consumer pays a premium for what they receive. Without going into details, I can think of many ways that abuse could indeed occur and wouldn't necessarily encourage this type of model for 'net commerce. Perhaps a similar situation exists with books? -Chris

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Re: Why Jodi Hoffman must be called a 'Dumb Cunt' and told to 'Go Fuck Yourself' at all costs, by TruthMonger
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Thanks for replying to my email. It's the first one I ever got. > Everyone else just ignores me. Go figure... Theory #1 TruthMonger's true identity is the ventriloquist dummy from 'Soap'. Theory #2 Those strange sounds you hear when lying quietly in bed at night? They are the sound of people slapping their foreheads when they realize they are arguing with a dummy. (;>} A. Dummy II

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Funding Cypherpunks Action Projects
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have worked out a plan whereby we can auction off the role of Cypherpunks Chief Spokesperson in order to fund CAP's. The idea for a Spokesperson pyramid scheme came to me after realizing that the list has not only a variety of individuals competing as the chief list 'Fed baiters', but also quite a number of people who enjoy 'Christian baiting', as well: TruthMonger, playing with his private parts, wrote: > Why does it not come as a surprise that this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian > Bitch (TM) is hiding behind 'the children,' hoping that it will prevent > her from being a target of reprisal for the bullshit she is flinging > at others? > Why doesn't someone shoot this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian Bitch? > If it saves the life of just one child... Eric Cordian spit out: > "Puritanism" might be defined as the fear that someone, somewhere, is > having a porn-induced orgasm. Stable people tend to worry about their > own orgasms, and not their neighbors. Perhaps if you had a few > orgasms yourself, you might lose interest in the orgasms of others. > [Nonsense Deleted] > Please bite my enormous throbbing love sausage with an ice cube in your > mouth. Jesus Christ wrote: > If you will check the Biblical Archives, I think you will find > that Peter never really fooled anyone, either. > {Speaking of which, do you also plan to censor the parts of the > Bible which quote my use of the word, "cock?"} There is no telling how much money we could raise by appealing to the macho male egos on the list who lock horns in CypherPissing cock-size wars, if we were to take bids on the honor of being the Cypherpunks' authorized 'Fed-baiter' or 'Christian-pisser', etc. Given the wide variety of individuals, groups, organizations, corporations, government agencies, etc., which have been the target of vicious attacks on this list, there is no end of the number of CypherPisser Ambassadorships we could invent to fill the Cypherpunks Action Projects coffers. Cypherpunks Chief MLM Spokesman

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Re: www.cypherpunks.to
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > > What happened to www.cypherpunks.to? It appears to have disappeared. > > The server works fine and I can reach it from the US. I tried www.cypherpunks.to and couldn't get connected. I dropped the www and got sent to the www site. And the root password there is...

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Igor Chudov @ home spoke: > > This Jodi Hoffman is most likely laughing at you all > after baiting you so successfully. > > I refuse to believe that she could have been so dumb to write > what she wrote, seriously. Believe it, Igor. There's a large number of people in the country who believe as she does, though perhaps not too many of them have the chutzpah to post such opinions to the fight-censorship list (where it could certainly be interpreted as a troll). Let's face it, there're a lot of people in the US who'd be happier if they were governed like China or Singapore; they want a stern authoritarian voice keeping society 'decent' and the homosexuals and other 'perverts' under control and out of sight, regulating what you can read and watch on TV, and what gets taught in schools, regulating what you can smoke and drink and sniff, and indoctrinating children into and enforcing the rules of the locally preferred religion. While they may pay lip service to it, they care little for the first amendment (except as it assures //them// the right to express //their// views or practice //their// religion). Sure, they'll wave the flag and mouth the words 'Constitution' and 'Bill of Rights', but their solution to every disagreement is 'put them in jail' or 'pass another law'. Frondeur -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNF9fllqnO6WRZ1UEEQKiSgCfQpuXZmx3Ry+GHKE83zzR3do11sUAoKzT ldtqH9pCnLO9QRrAoGaEfPGj =LOUx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDQn15YRBADp/iepGjB1hBoGgkKI+g4kHRtBQfpeR9BfwQP3E/GA+82SnLk+ BVExZEXaqgqq4cu3j89auJd+rSi++PpAuV03DpLfdTCdLQDrExEd63w0BYeM4g7L B7TA4LfSHgAuKwwtNPkgCfj7eWE34XOWTIbxnkQqMJyDLjzOUm/8LVHADQCg/8uo JZ1FmULWIhscEE1upL61+9kD/0zFqguqDrey8XHxRJeYom/UpEVV4gCJwkYrrew8 SKjtrUEHVA7la2TntCdXSQR5IrF5AWiamChxbCWdZE1F5bLl7xQgGrEJNNDk23Py L8ihmOYZk03rKYlaeUCxADKlI9hcWlGpsJnF6XRqjMltwfEe9S+zrsBRFQw3A7WR 4xwXA/9MiD+r0+ClUzJ1fC9dMJNDQQZQYdS0aiuh463cT3GI/CHJ34UD9ptmBLtQ ZEn0O0vK8eWSkw7vmrbqUekxgpl+B7tytuDKWHPUUgryblC0s986YSpnyeGZ0nt9 anzqKDqMOP3e1YVf8qJpZRPgzKl1KSncCGZ7CdVGgVxdl125vbQcRnJvbmRldXIg PGZyb25kZXVyQGRldi5udWxsPokASwQQEQIACwUCNCfXlgQLAwECAAoJEFqnO6WR Z1UE0rMAnRl8SRsYyH+IXH4yB3CzeF91V8J7AJ9Pk6oR9kFKbyUZyDIpbLkVC62F bbkCDQQ0J9eWEAgA9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5UxE5T7bxbrlLOCDaAadWoxTp j0BV89AHxstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1WV/cdlJPPT2N286Z4VeSWc39 uK50T8X8dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01uejaClcjrUGvC/RgBYK+X0iP1Y TknbzSC0neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJI8BD8KVbGI2Ou1WMuF040zT9 fBdXQ6MdGGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaGxAMZyAcpesqVDNmWn6vQClCb AkbTCD1mpF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6TILOwACAgf/fc9Mli0WztsQDfF/Itxp IiQzM5mvFq00BwHGvoKTdU+c8FWz3ZS0yzqpIwPp4wEvMLEC6xfTrGJzOxtdH4wO MHjHPVrykbc/6HkF9L10soea6Lc6/Ar93yIC+IpPmkcchPxKkYN+VEWGv97otWpS QwMHtMImUaPJ69jtn/oBtKjc9SlIy5ib5eIhchp1vEC75P4EwlPgOWXsGZA9IR63 0W8im1gNv8W9Egd1RCPFEt/UG7mpAjg7/SekUsOKksRWuC5MOEH1fSvVBIYjoMxG EYNMF632rxmhkC8bPKUeIuhpXJzHaqaE8yFA4YKw0K2TuQ/mHZ1L4KqPWH52h4Sc OokAPwMFGDQn15ZapzulkWdVBBECzMYAnA+Lv3zZm8Ptc7nPB2yz2FVFsL2JAJ4w v64l2UxSDvLRRZDDZY3B2LhJTw== =/z57 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Jodi Hoffman: Homophobe!!!!!!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: http://199.227.69.135/ramp/aletter.html You might wish to add that most "homosexual" suicides are probably normal kids who have been seduced into an abnormal lifestyle encouraged by our schools and culture; or at the very least, they were probably suffering under the weight of excessive sexual harassment, in the form of our current crop of pathological sex-education programs. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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[ON TOPIC] Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs, by Jodi Hoffman
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Spirito wrote: > >Alexander Tyler wrote: > >> "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only > >> exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves > >> largess out of the public treasury." > This assumes there is a "majority of voters". Read James Madison, & kiss a > multiculturalist today. > Now can we get back to denouncing Jewish Nazis? Sorry, that's off-topic. You _can_, however, discuss 'Remailer Hating Nazis'...

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PGP 5.0: Keyservers
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Out of curiosity, what protection is there for PGP 5.x users submitting keys to the keyservers? Would it not be trivial for somebody to see what dialup SLIP link a key is coming from and tie that key to the person submitting it? That isn't a problem for personal keys, but it is a big problem for psuedonyms. Is there some kind of mechanism in place for submitting such keys via anonymous remailers? This might already have been covered by other Cypherpunks or the PGP folks. ParanoiaMonger

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Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > Part of the problem is that people _assume_ that legislation fixes > problems. It doesn't. Laws just give society permission to punish the > offender. Prosecutor: "You should find this nanny guilty of murder because young people like to party." Jury: "Duuhhh...OK!" What I find ironically hilarious, offensive and sad, is that there are still so many new laws being passed, in spite of the fact that they are no longer really needed. Courtrooms now pretty much just serve as an arena for engaging in the age-old sport of public stoning. Whoever does the best job of finger pointing, while working the crowd into a frenzy, wins. Tim McVeigh was Dead Meat (TM) the minute the judge ruled that fingers in the courtroom could only be pointed at Terrible Timmy. I guess I'm an old fart...I remember when $15 million could buy you a decent attorney. I don't own any guns, so I guess when the Feds kick my door in, I'll just point at the dog, and hope they go for my clever ruse. Hell, I'm even willing to testify... Not-Me!

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Cypherpunks Physical Meetings...The Rest of the Story
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From News of the CypherPunks: * In March, a 36-year-old man choked to death on a 6-inch tropical fish he had popped into his mouth while showing off for friends in Bayou Vista, La. And in April, a 12-year-old boy was electrocuted in East Palo Alto, Calif., after he climbed a high-voltage transmission tower in the rain, dared his three companions to join him, and then accidentally touched a wire. And in July, a 22-year- old man, described by his grandmother as "smart in school," died in a bungee-cord accident on a railroad trestle in Fairfax County, Va. (Said a police spokesman: "The length of the cord that he had assembled was greater than the distance between the trestle and the ground.")

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Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs, by Jodi Hoffman
by Abstruse 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Someone on this list, I forget who, has made numerous attempts at > convincing us that pornography 'does no harm' to children. It is > exactly at this point that I must draw a line. Studies have shown that > an event which lasts even so much as three-tenths of a second, within > five to ten minutes has produced a structural change in the brain. > Exposure to porn causes actual brain damage, especially in a child. let me guess . . . scientology? it sounds to me as if you just despise porn so much that you're seeing red, and hence . . . not seeing the facts straight (or believing whatever you [want to] hear).

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Financial Cryptography '98 Final Call for Papers
by Ray Hirschfeld 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Financial Cryptography '98 Second International Conference February 23-26, 1998, Anguilla, BWI FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS General Information: Financial Cryptography '98 (FC98) is a conference on the security of digital financial transactions. Meetings alternate between the island of Anguilla in the British West Indies and other locations. This second meeting will be held in Anguilla on February 23-26, 1998. FC98 aims to bring together persons involved in both the financial and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general, including Anonymous Payments Fungibility Authentication Home Banking Communication Security Identification Conditional Access Implementations Copyright Protection Loss Tolerance Credit/Debit Cards Loyalty Mechanisms Currency Exchange Legal Aspects Digital Cash Micropayments Digital Receipts Network Payments Digital Signatures Privacy Issues Economic Implications Regulatory Issues Electronic Funds Transfer Smart Cards Electronic Purses Standards Electronic Voting Tamper Resistance Electronic Wallets Transferability Instructions for Authors: Send a cover letter and 12 copies of an extended abstract to be received by November 17, 1997 (or postmarked by November 7, 1997 and sent via airmail) to the Program Chair at the address given below. The extended abstract (a short draft of the full paper, typically 10 pages in length) should start with the title, the names of the authors, and an abstract followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, its background, the main achievements, and their significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 12pt type. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors no later than January 12, 1998. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Proceedings: Proceedings of the conference will be published by Springer Verlag in their Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series. Preproceedings will be available at the conference, but final versions will not be due until afterwards, giving authors the opportunity to revise their papers based on presentations and discussions at the meeting. Instructions and deadlines for submission of final papers will be sent later to authors of accepted papers. Rump Session: In addition to the regular conference program, a rump session will be held to provide an opportunity for less formal presentations. Although the rump session will be organized during the conference itself, any advance proposals may be sent to the Program Co-Chair at the email address given below. Rump session contributions will not appear in the conference proceedings. Stipends: A very limited number of stipends may be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to one of the General Chairs. Registration: Information about conference registration and on travel, hotels, and Anguilla itself will follow in a separate general announcement. There are special reduced registration rates for full-time academics and students. Further information about registration is available online via the URL listed below. Workshop: A workshop, intended for anyone with commercial software development experience who wants hands-on familiarity with the issues and technology of financial cryptography, is planned in conjunction with FC98, to be held during the week following the conference. Further information about the workshop is available online via the URL listed below. For information about workshop registration, please contact one of the General Chairs. Special Attraction: On Thursday, February 26, 1998, there will be a total eclipse of the sun. The narrow zone of 100% totality will pass just south of Anguilla, and there should be an excellent view of the eclipse from the conference site. Send Submissions to: Rafael Hirschfeld FC98 Program Chair CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands email: ray(a)cwi.nl phone: +31 20 592 4169 fax: +31 20 592 4199 Send Rump Session Contributions to: Matthew Franklin FC98 Program Co-Chair email: franklin(a)research.att.com Program Committee: Matt Blaze, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Antoon Bosselaers, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Leuven, Belgium Yves Carlier, Bank for International Settlements, Basel, Switzerland Walter Effross, Washington College of Law, American U., Washington DC, USA Matthew Franklin, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Florham Park, NJ, USA Michael Froomkin, U. Miami School of Law, Coral Gables, FL, USA Rafael Hirschfeld, CWI, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Alain Mayer, Bell Laboratories/Lucent Technologies, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Moni Naor, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel Frank Trotter, Mark Twain Ecash/Mercantile Bank, St. Louis, MO, USA Doug Tygar, Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA Moti Yung, CertCo LLC (formerly: Bankers Trust E-Commerce), New York, NY, USA General Chairs: Robert Hettinga, Shipwright, Boston, MA, USA email: rah(a)shipwright.com Vincent Cate, Offshore Information Services, Anguilla, BWI email: vince(a)offshore.com.ai Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager: Julie Rackliffe, Boston, MA, USA email: julie(a)sneaker.net Workshop Leader: Ian Goldberg, Berkeley, CA, USA email: iang(a)cs.berkeley.edu Financial Cryptography '98 is held in cooperation with the International Association for Cryptologic Research. FC98 is sponsored by: RSA Data Security Inc. <http://www.rsa.com> C2NET, Inc. <http://www.c2.net> Hansa Bank & Trust Company Limited, Anguilla <http://www.hansa.net/> Offshore Information Services <http://www.offshore.com.ai/> e$ <http://www.shipwright.com> Those interested in becoming a sponsor of FC98 or in purchasing exhibit space, please contact the Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager. A copy of this call for papers as well as other information about the conference will be available at URL http://www.cwi.nl/conferences/FC98.

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Re:
by semprini＠theschool.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > Someone on this list, I forget who, has made numerous attempts at > > convincing us that pornography 'does no harm' to children. It is > > exactly at this point that I must draw a line. Studies have shown that > > an event which lasts even so much as three-tenths of a second, within > > five to ten minutes has produced a structural change in the brain. > > Exposure to porn causes actual brain damage, especially in a child. > > let me guess . . . scientology? it sounds to me as if you just despise > porn so much that you're seeing red, and hence . . . not seeing the > facts straight (or believing whatever you [want to] hear). Let me set some facts straight. The idea in the paragraph above from Jodi Hoffman is quite contrary to the ideas held by Scientologists. The idea in the paragraph above has to do with the ideas held by the secular humanists and their attempts to explain human behaviour as having nothing to do with a will, but as just chemical reactions. Make sure you know exactly what ideas are held by a particular group before you attempt to denounce them. As Mark Twain once said, "First get your facts straight; then you can distort them." --Dylan FWIW, I heartily agree that Jodi probably "despises porn so much she's seeing red", which she has every right to do. However! She's quoting studies that are crocks, so her entire agrument is fallacious, as TruthMonger so eloquently pointed out. :)

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Pet Bog Crypto Ban
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As a strategic bank shot for banning domestic use of encryption the US FBI and Fish and Wildlife Service have declared the pet Bog Snatch Algorithm a terrorist threat: http://jya.com/fws110497.txt (134K) B. Overutilization for Commercial, Recreational, Scientific, or Educational Purposes The bog turtle is a target for pet collectors due to its rarity in the wild, distinctive coloration, and small size. Take (primarily illegal) both for the national and international commercial pet trade industry has occurred for many years. Collecting is a significant factor in the species decline and is an ongoing threat to its continued existence in the wild (Anon. 1991; Earley 1993; David Flemming, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in litt. 1991; Herman 1990; Klemens in press; Stearns et al. 1990; Tryon 1990; Tryon and Herman 1990). During the last 5 to 10 years, an increasing number of bog turtles have been advertised for sale, and prices have increased substantially. The increase in price most likely reflects the increase in demand for the turtles; the increase in demand increases the threats to the wild populations (Tryon and Herman 1990). Atlanta Zoo personnel reported that from 1989 to early 1991, over 1000 bog turtles were exported to Japan. These figures differ significantly from CITES data and represent a significant amount of unreported illegal trade (Anon. 1991). The World Wildlife Fund recently listed bog turtles as among the world's top 10 ``most wanted'' endangered species (Earley 1993). According to Alan Salzburg, President of the American Turtle and Tortoise Society, the bog turtle is considered the most prized turtle in the United States, and when bog turtle locations become publicly known, they are exploited by collectors within 1 year (Laura Hood, Defenders of Wildlife, in litt. 1997). Due to the threats facing bog turtle populations, the Society for the Study of Amphibians and Reptiles adopted a resolution calling for the prohibition of collection from wild populations (Stearns et al. 1990). Due to the small size of existing populations, and the low reproductive and recruitment potential of this species, the removal of even a few breeding adults can do irrevocable damage to a population (Tryon 1990). Collecting has been a factor in the reduction or extirpation of several bog turtle populations in Delaware (Anon. 1991), Maryland (Anon. 1991; Smith, in litt. 1994), Massachusetts (Anon. 1991), New Jersey (Farrell and Zappalorti 1989; Zappalorti, pers. comm. 1994; Zappalorti, in litt. 1997), New York (Breisch, in litt. 1993; Breisch et al., in litt. 1994; Collins 1990; Behler, in litt. 1997), and Pennsylvania (Ralph Pisapia, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in litt. 1992; Zappalorti, in litt. 1997). Many sites in these States have suitable habitat, but have much-reduced bog turtle populations, probably due to collecting. Throughout the bog turtle's entire range, States regulate take through classification of the species as endangered (in Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia) or threatened (in Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee), yet trade continues. Illegal trade is difficult to detect due to the questionable origin of turtles being offered for sale. Bog turtles are often ``laundered'' through States which either do not have native populations (e.g., West Virginia, Florida, California), or through States which have inadequate protection of their own bog turtle populations (Charles Bepler, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in litt. 1993; Breisch, in litt. 1993; Michael Klemens, in litt. 1990). For example, in recent years dealers have claimed West Virginia as the State of origin for bog turtles; however, there is no evidence to support the contention that the bog turtle occurs in that State (Dennis Herman, Project Bog Turtle Coordinator, in litt. 1997; Tom Thorp, North Carolina Herpetological Society, in litt. 1997). Hatchling and juvenile turtles marketed as ``captive-born'' are usually offspring from gravid adult females illegally brought into captivity and held until they deposit eggs. The eggs are then hatched in captivity, and the captive-born (but not captive-bred) offspring are then marketed or retained (Bepler, in litt. 1993). A few specific instances of illegal bog turtle collecting and trade are reported below: (1) An undercover officer purchased eight bog turtles from a person who had collected them near Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Also, two additional bog turtles were recovered from persons who had gotten them from friends allegedly in the New York area (Bepler, in litt. 1993); (2) An individual from New Jersey was arrested for bringing bog turtles from New Jersey to Florida and selling them as captive-born. It is suspected that he collected about six turtles per year over a period of several years (Bepler, in litt. 1993); (3) A reliable source in New York reported that over 2000 wild- caught bog turtles were shipped to Japan in a 2-year period (Murdock, in litt. 1990); (4) Researchers found several turtle traps and a much-diminished bog turtle population at an important bog turtle site in Pennsylvania (Pisapia, in litt. 1992); (5) In 1993, a New Jersey resident purchased 47 bog turtles in Florida, and since 1984 had also bought 20 additional bog turtles. This individual supposedly has an active breeding program for bog turtles (Terry Tarr, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in litt. 1993); (6) When confronted in a New York wetland, an individual claiming to be a birdwatcher revealed the contents of the cloth bag he was carrying--a bog turtle and spotted turtle (Paul Novak, New York Natural Heritage Program, in litt. 1990); (7) A reliable source reported seeing approximately 60 bog turtles at the Ohio residence of a person who frequents reptile shows. Based on the physical appearance of the bog turtles, they were not captive-bred (Scott Smith, Maryland Department of Natural Resources, in litt. 1996); (8) Bog turtles have been available at the major Herpetological Expo in Orlando, Florida for the last 2 years (Herman, in litt. 1997; Thorp, in litt. 1997); and (9) Bog turtles were observed in several Florida dealerships in 1996, although they have not been openly advertised for sale (Herman, in litt. 1997). The general consensus among bog turtle researchers, nongame biologists, and law enforcement officials is that illegal collecting is occurring at a much greater rate than detected or reported (Anon. 1991; Breisch, in litt. 1993; Flemming, in litt. 1991). Bog turtles are already extremely low in numbers throughout much of their range, and any additional take could eliminate marginal populations and hamper survival and recovery efforts. Protecting existing sites for bog turtles can pose a threat when these specific sites are revealed and publicized. In addition to the threat of collection for the pet trade industry, collection of bog turtles for exhibition at nature centers is also a threat (Anon. 1991).

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Porn gave me brain damage!!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been reading this list for some time now but have only posted a few messages, you might recall them, they were about the government using perceived threats to convince the public that they needed legislation to protect them from harmful elements on the Internet. I am not posting now about any sort of government conspiracy or mind control tactics used to convince people they need to give up rights in order to be safe, I am posting to tell you all how very wrong I was. I have just come from the neurologist where I was diagnosed with dementia pornographia, a syndrome caused by exposure to pornography. I have been afflicted with an obsession with pornography since I first realized I was attracted to women. I remember looking at them and imagining them with no clothes on. I know now that this is when the damage was begun, and there is nothing I can do now to reverse it. My first taste of pornography was in junior high school. We had a sex ed class and the textbook was full of crudely drawn genetalia. I looked at these pictures frequently while studying, little did I know what was being done to me, the pictures were causing chemical changes in my brain, stimulating synapses and causing neurons to fire. At first I was like any normal kid, very loving and close to my family. As I got drawn deeper and deeper into pornography I changed, first I started hanging around with other boys interested in female genetalia. Then I started searching through my parents belongings and stealing whatever I could to support my habits. Newspapers, catalogs, books, national geographic, anything with pictures of women in it would do. My parents didn't understand what I was going through they just assumed that I was going through a phase, they didn't know that my little "phase" caused new hormones to be released into my brain changing it for good. Through most of my high school and college years I was a dedicated porn user. I always surrounded myself with people that thought porn was "cool" or that it was "no big deal". I became increasingly estranged from my family and even went so far as to move away from home for my freshman year in college. I was 18 now and could legally buy dangerous pornographic material. Once I was living away from home I started experimenting with pre-marital sex. At first I knew it was wrong, but all my friends were doing it so I did it to fit in. Soon I became to desire it, even need it. If I went for a while without it I would do just about anything to "get laid". When A friend of mine introduced me to the Internet all my prayers had been answered, all the porn I could ever need and people werejust giving it away. I was chipping away at my brain bit by bit, every site, every newsgroup, every picture, every chatroom, was drawing me deeper into the world of porn. Then I read Jodi Hoffmam's post and I knew that I needed help. I hope that this can help people, I am to far gone to be helped now. I hope people can learn from the mistakes I made. I hope something can be done to stop the rampant proliferation of porn from hurting other innocent children, too young to know better, but having lost their innocence and having experienced more than any child should. It is the children that are losing in the war against pornography. --Bucky

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Re: Why porn must be stopped at all costs.....
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm(a)ibm.net> wrote: >Try as I might, I cannot forget standing on the steps of the Supreme >Court building with my husband and 10 year old daughter in the freezing >drizzle. I'm sure that your daughter can't forget such an obvious example of child abuse either. Perhaps someone should inform the BATF? >Don't >you realize that YOU are a major reason for the downward spiral of >society? Don't tell them or they'll all want one... >Studies have shown that >an event which lasts even so much as three-tenths of a second, within >five to ten minutes has produced a structural change in the brain. Studies have shown that anti-porn rhetoric kills babies and causes cancer in lab rats. Which studies? The ones I just made up... of course your comment isn't a total lie, it's just a blatant and, frankly, inept attempt to twist reality to support your cause. The human brain is a neural network; any data entering into it changes its structure. Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that: Exposure to anti-porn rhetoric causes actual brain damage, especially in a child. >So, keep protecting your porn-induced orgasms. That's exactly what >happened with the Hitler youth, etc... I think you'll find that the Hitler Youth were too busy burning 'pornography' to read it, though I guess burning books may have given them orgasms. Many people seem to have the hots for it, after all. >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #1: CORRUPT THE NATION'S YOUTH [Rest deleted; I'm glad to see that the revolution is proceeding as planned. I'll mention you at the next Illuminati Grand Council.] >RULE FOR REVOLUTION #2: CONTROL THE MASS MEDIA Ah, this is where I come in; I have, sadly, been neglecting my cypherpunk duties lately because I've been spending too much time on film-making. You see, I have this dream; I want to make a movie of the entire Bible, and not the old Charlton Heston version, but totally unexpurgated, keeping entirely to the text, including all those embarassing bits about Lot's daughters screwing their father while he slept in order to have his children ('No, no your honor, it wasn't me, they did it to me in my sleep'), men who are hung like stallions, and babies having their brains bashed out of their skulls. Why? Because I want to see the religious censors squirm... I do so enjoy their anti-porn and anti-violence rants when they're pushing one of the most violent and pornographic novels ever written. >Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp >Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America Excuse me? You're part of the 'Victimization of Children Council'? You mean child victimizers have their own lobby group these days? Boy, ain't America wonderful? Mark

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Sen. Judd Gregg speaks on cyberporn
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) is the chairman of the Senate appropriations committee's subcommittee that funds the FBI. Today he spoke at Digital/AltaVista's "Summit on Internet Content Filtering & Third-Party Rating." He said that he "disagreed with the Supreme Court" ruling that struck down the CDA as unconstitutional. He praised the FCC and the V-chip. He also said: "In a recent study, the Carnegie Mellon Institute found 917,410 sexually explicit pictures, short stories, and film clips online within an 18-month period." Uh-huh. -Declan

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