December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by CDR Filter Account 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The CipherSaber Manifesto
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/24/97 8:42 PM, Antonomasia (ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk) passed this wisdom: >reinhold(a)world.std.com (Arnold Reinhold) wrote: > >> CipherSaber-1 (CS1) uses Ron Rivest's RC4 algorithm as published in >> the second edition of Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography. .... > >> CipherSaber-1 is a symmetric-key file encryption system. Messaging >> takes place by attaching binary files to e-mail. Because CipherSaber >> uses a stream cipher, an initialization vector must be used to prevent >> the same cipher key from being used twice. In encrypted CipherSaber-1 >> files, a ten byte initialization vector precedes the coded data. For >> decryption, the initialization vector is read from the file and >> appended to the user key before the key setup step. ...... > >Why not _prepend_ the IV to the key ? As described here any >paranoics who use keys > 255 chars won't get the IV in place, and >will lose out. I think I'd also force 4 bytes of the IV to be the >current time, as a defence against the (P?)RNG getting me a repeated IV >eventually. ... same thing occurred to me though its easy enough to test the key length and the truncate it at 246 issuing a warning to the user ... Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. -- Douglas Adams, on Windows '95

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cypherpunks-e@htp.org list explodes!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I tried subscribing to cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org, the English-language relative of cypherpunks-j. There may have been one or two independent postings, but almost everything there was just the main cypherpunks list, forwarded and with archiving numbers stuck in the Subject: line. That wasn't a very good idea; people who want to subscribe to cypherpunks should do so directly, but if you do want to build a fourth list address for cypherpunks, you can check with Igor Chudov and Lance Cottrell about the software that makes it work without looping. However, a day or two ago, something broke, and most of the 1400+ messages I've gotten have been Mailer-Daemon complaints about not being able to reach somewhere or other for four hours. It may be because ssz.com was down for a couple of days, or may be from something else, but it's failed spectacularly. Killfiles are your friend, but for now I've simply unsubscribed. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: AOL
by Harka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, Sep 26, 1997 at 11:57:36PM -0500, ravage(a)ssz.com wrote: > > AOL MAY INTRODUCE ADS ON PRIVATE E-MAIL > > Reuters > 26-SEP-97 > > > HAMBURG, Germany, Sept 26 (Reuter) - The German unit of the world's > largest online service, America Online, said on Friday it planned to > boost advertising revenues and that its parent company may begin > including ads on private electronic mail. A PGP-Plug-In for the AOL-software would be excellent... Ciao Harka

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That vile salamander Gingrich, squeaker of the House, is slobbering about a drug-free America by the year 2001. What a dreary prospect! Of course this does not include alcohol and tobacco, of which the consumption will soar. How can a drug-free state be achieved? Simple. An operation can remove the drug receptors from the brain. Those who refuse the operation will be deprived of all rights. CM

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FCC Proposes V-Chip Requirements for TV Manufacturers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The FCC yesterday proposed rules that would give television manufacturers until July 1 1998 to put V-Chips in half of new TV sets with monitors 13 inches or larger, and in all sets by July 1, 1999. Reed Hundt said that this will "ensure that V-Chip technology does in fact exist in a relatively short period of time". Industry officials protested that the time limit is way too short for manufacturers, saying they need 18 months - 2 years. Comment period runs until November. Meanwhile, some of the major TV networks are going to a more detailed rating system, Sex/Violence/Language/SuggestiveDialog, with a FantasyViolence category for kids' shows. NBC is resisting that. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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pna.show_story?p_art_id=347667&p_section_name=Sci-Tech
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN Custom News logo [LINK] Home World U.S. Weather Sports Business Sci-Tech Showbiz Lifestyle alt On Target Customize Profile Help Feedback Switch User [ISMAP] InfoSeek [INLINE] September 27, 1997 3:21 am GMT [INLINE] Sci-Tech Title [INLINE] Ad Space ________________________ ___Word ___Theme ______________ Options [INLINE] The story below was selected from CNN Custom News - a new personalized service that delivers only the news that's important to YOU. Sign up now to receive your personal news stories, weather, sports scores, and stock quotes from over 100 different sources - all for FREE. If you're already a user, please login. Custom News MOVING MONEY IN CYBERSPACE NewsBytes 26-SEP-97 SINGAPORE, 1997 SEP 26 (Newsbytes) -- By Kenneth Kway. When it comes to conducting monetary transactions on the Internet, the world can only move as fast as its financial institutions. Banks in particular have an important role to play in the acceptance of the Internet as a legitimate medium in which secure business transactions can be performed. But even banks in well-connected Singapore have been cautious in embracing the Internet for their business while being clearly interested in tapping in on an increasing number of Internet users in Singapore and the region. The Development Bank of Singapore (DBS) is one of the first to make Internet banking a reality. DBS hopes to revolutionize Singapore's local banking industry by giving customers the convenience of banking through the Internet at any time they choose and from anywhere they happen to be. "We expect other banks will soon be unveiling similar programs but we are the one of the first to bring this service to our customers," said Lau Chan Sin, DBS deputy president. "We want this project to contribute to the creation of an IT culture where customers can experience the ease and convenience of banking on the Web," said Lau. The trial involving a select group of DBS customers and staff will last until October, when the system will go live. They will have online access to detailed information regarding their results. Among other things, they will be able to obtain real time information about their accounts, track cheque status, transfer funds and effect payment of bills. "For now, it is unlikely that Internet banking will move into areas that are not already covered by phone banking," says Datapro analyst Lim Soo Ching. "As it is, banks are trying to work out a business proposition for phone banking. Online banking would face the same concerns." The bank's home page, users' first point of access, will deliver banking news to the customer. The bank has gone one step further and allowed users to customize the kind of news they want to receive. Each time they check the area on the DBS home page labelled "Your Personal News" they will be presented with the personalized bulletin that is relevant to their needs and banking habits. The bank has put in place a slew of industry standard security measures like firewalls and authentication services. These measures are supplemented by a proprietary security solution. The emphasis is on confidentiality of the transaction as much as protecting against unauthorized access. "Looking at the technology the bank has out in place, security is not a problem," says Lim. "Banking may be actually safer than phone banking, but the user perception is just the opposite." The bank stresses the importance of user cooperation to maintain a high level of security. "The customer has to work hand in hand with the security systems that the bank has put in place," said Mrs Elsie Foh, executive vice president of retail banking at DBS. "For instance they should remember to log off from the system once they have completed their banking session. The bank was not at liberty to reveal the equipment and software used in the project but it was disclosed that the entire setup cost S$2 million. Aside from an initial sign-up fee, the bank intends to charge users a monthly fee for the program after the initial 6-month promotion period. DBS will add to the initial services offered through the Bank's Internet Banking service. "We met with great success bringing our customers the convenience of share application and COE (Certificate of Entitlement) bids through ATMs," said Foh. "Similarly, we intend to broaden the scope of our Internet services to include more diverse types of commercial applications." Investment related transactions, insurance purchase and third party funds transfer are just some of the areas being explored for future implementation. In this way, the banks hope to build greater value on the new service and attract a high user base. DBS expects 30 000 customers in the first year of the system's operation and projects that the number will climb to 150000 in 3 years. "Culture will also make a difference," says Lim. "Asia tends to take longer than the West in the acceptance of new technology." He cites automated teller machines (ATMs) as one such example. "It will be some time before online banking becomes the norm." DBS is looking into providing all its users with personal financial manager software such as Intuit or Quicken. This would allow customers to better coordinate their personal finances with the bank. Such a package will most likely be customized to work with the bank's system. "The significance of this technology is that any computer in the world that can access the Internet is instantly a transaction terminal that can be used to do banking." said Lim. (Reported by Newsbytes News Network http://www.newsbytes.com) Search the net: InfoSeek ___________________ ____ [Help] [INLINE] Ad Space Top Copyright © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. A Time Warner Company ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Terms under which this information is provided to you. [INLINE]

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner CNN Custom News rule 'SPAM' SLAMMING GOES TO COURT Internet spam September 26, 1997 Web posted at: 10:59 p.m. EDT (0259 GMT) DEARBORN, Michigan (CNN) -- One of the world's largest Internet service providers is squaring off against one of its largest purveyors of junk e-mail, known unaffectionately by netizens as "spam." Apex Global Internet Services, or AGIS, the third largest Internet service provider in the world, has dropped so-called "spammers" from its service, including the biggest spammer of them all, Cyber Promotions, owned by Sanford Wallace. Now, Cyber Promotions and Wallace are fighting back, having filed a lawsuit against AGIS alleging breach of contract. "I'm very proud of what I do, and I don't really think that spamming is bad or good," said Wallace. "I think it's just a way of doing business." Spam is the electronic equivalent of junk mail, unsolicited messages hawking all sorts of products and services. http://www.agis.net/ AGIS officials say they were forced to take action because they were caught in the middle of the ongoing Internet tug-of-war between spammers and angry recipients who had launched high-tech counterattacks against spam. "We asked the anti-spammers to give us a chance, and we asked the spammers to stop sending unsolicited e-mail to people who said they didn't want it," said Phillip Lawlor, chief executive officer of AGIS. "The problem was that really didn't make anybody happy." "Both sides then resorted to unethical and illegal practices in order to take down the other side's networks." There is some precedent for AGIS's actions against junk e-mail. Earlier this year, America Online successfully sued to stop Cyber Promotions from sending unsolicited e-mail to its subscribers. However, AOL is a private network, not an Internet service provider. The suit between Wallace and AGIS, then, could help determine how far such providers can go in trying to can spam from the entire Internet. A federal judge is expected to rule on the suit against AGIS on Monday. CNN's Ed Garsten contributed to this report. rule Related story: * Agis dethrones 'Spam King' - September 24, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * AGIS * Compuserve Inc. v. cyber Promotions Inc. * America Online Inc. v. Cyber Promotions Inc. External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] AST. Working For Your Business. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 26 Sep 1997 23:18:00 -0500, Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> wrote: > >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:17:11 -0700 >> From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >> Subject: Re: Remailer Attack (fwd) > [ stuff deleted] >> And I mentioned this specifically. > >I'll grant you mentioned digital postage. This simply is not robust enough >to handle the world of a commercial remailer operator. We'll just have to >agree to disagree here because the standard digital postage argument simply >doesn't sway me to support it. > What's wrong with the idea of digital postage? What else do you have in mind? There are a couple of problems that arise when money in any form gets involved: 1) refunds: If one remailer in a chain fails to deliver a message, How does a user get a refund without having the message traced back to him? 2) Business/Gov't dishonesty: Imagine if 50% of all remailers are owned and operated by the same company. Now imagine if that company did not have the same morality/ideaology as we do. Now imagine if that same company was LEA friendly. I don't think I need to tell you why this is a bad thing.

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Leaving again
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I`ll be off the list again for a while, and this address may well be closed, not sure yet. If anyone needs to get me +44 (0)410 933621 is always a good one to try, I should be back on the list within a few weeks though. Bye for now. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Stel
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone heard anything recently about CERT-IT's STEL? I like it much better than deslogin (although, I can't seem to get steld working on Linux boxes ...), and have been waiting for the protocol to catch on. It's been beta for over a year now. Doc - -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNCyxYMHFI4kt/DQOEQIPowCgp0fwxqMaaWoJfAhZzTq4BVWMhk0Aniyi tnKR4VDkK2aRNHofWcuVFrry =eSW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailer latencies
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- David E. Smith wrote: >> Incidentally, if somebody offered you colocation space, would you be >> willing to set up your machine there? > >I wouldn't, and I hope not many other remailer operators would >either. A lot of the security on my machine comes from having >physical control over it. Good point. Also, using a dialup gives you another layer of physical privacy. You could even move the machine around from time to time. This could even foil the Big Boys if they don't want to reveal how well they can track things. (Corollary: Even if PGP is NSA breakable, you can still use it for drug dealing and bribery.) >(That includes the ability to rapidly delete things with extreme >prejudice should the spooks come knocking at the door.) If I'm not >sleeping in the room next to my machine, I don't have that kind of >control. What is on your machine that has to be deleted? I suppose you'd want to power cycle it since the private key (or a passphrase) will be sitting in memory. Is there anything on the disk that must be deleted? More operations questions: according to Raph's chart, your machine has an "uptime" of 99.64%. I assume that means Raph's experiments showed that 36 messages out of 1000 disappeared. Did I assume correctly? If so, what accounts for these message losses? I would expect that if your machine was down, even for a couple of days, that the incoming messages would be queued up on other machines and none would be lost. BTW, my intention is not be critical of your volunteer work running a remailer, but to develop an understanding of the issues involved. Even a response like "the machine was down for three days because I was in Las Vegas partying" is useful because it would suggest that remailer operators are not adequately compensated for their work. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNCyf1JaWtjSmRH/5AQG1lAf9HS5Hu9HX32Uij93MEaWzG4BOqgj9/mok W+Ngjnz2yDKW3g7MoN+Ypvy05EGPNtwZjhigRkUzSIHfT7gYGlbclcf1p2aZk4L5 MT1wP1zdT0cdUoIjTwSa/VXgHuuPLTo68LhnbdCTVgLjbqMaC7DxvrGam7C7CXcT POxjh7bpwrz8LJ0YmALuhqITv+QxPqv0jeCigsYqtv9wEcPdIp9Y+If4+u5+aln4 FejVogjqSGl8E8bICc5GMNFifXKcpGkGNb992P4IUHjyZmmgQRqMhuS6yWjHM2cM uWj0fbH+/Yab+svKsULz0aqbG670A5VzriP+800JAJd8XtZd7T5y9w== =gqzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Just out of a curiousity, why is it that no remailers accept ecash? (This is not a jibe at remailer operators or authors of remailer software. I am really curious if this is a "didn't get to it yet" sort of thing, or if there's something hard about it.) The brutally simple way to do this would be to generate an ecash certificate, made out to cash, and tack it at the beginning of a message which is then encrypted for the remailer. The modifications to the remailer software seem (to me) to be slight since you just call the Digicash application and ask it to try depositing the payment. If it works, the message is handled. Since everybody is in the habit of not paying, you could just give priority to paying customers. People who don't want to pay get their mail delayed by four hours. Some people may pay to expedite some messages but not others. There are probably better ways to do it, but that would get it up and running. What aspects of this problem am I missing? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNCyV7JaWtjSmRH/5AQEdDAf+L/8KmV2fTeRPtkD2mSRcyLoyJh0pj8lc KSkXfFeQyTleiw7iPaF02PgNWgEXuFF5np02Qksz9LvcdWJR8Al6WyyiyOdGOo0S lCuguS1CPGYhfJktvyvWLMkWlimICGfy6G7I3vkzIdRsS1tsCTCEHq8XM1/u8RuU GBejo9ZUYu5CR4BzlbG/eJqUhQMgQkzOE9pifQGFGkEAX7cKxL/DImlIEpcSYavj OncVb808gd746bS53fg6X6U7U5G1GFhL0CAP1Vk0HBDU+a3UdDue29Sn40Dugw2m g8qkIYGQGvZxCJK5u6FcMaN7b7WyjjZTqSC5/nTDO5yAPbZqppuKhQ== =2b7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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Earn Big $$ Through Bulk Email
by waeho＠vol.cz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Accept Checks by Phone, Fax or E-Mail for FREE!
by Senders＠Domains.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FCC Proposes V-Chip Requirements for TV Manufacturers
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/26/97 2:20 PM, Bill Stewart (stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com) passed this wisdom: >The FCC yesterday proposed rules that would give television >manufacturers until July 1 1998 to put V-Chips in half of new TV >sets with monitors 13 inchesor larger,and in all sets by July 1, >1999. Reed Hundt said that this will "ensure that V-Chip technology >does in fact exist in a relatively short period of time".Industry >officials protested that the time limit is way too short for >manufacturers,saying they need 18 months - 2 years. Comment period >runs until November. > >Meanwhile, some of the major TV networks are going to a more >detailed rating system,Sex/Violence/Language/SuggestiveDialog, with >a FantasyViolence category for kids' shows.NBC is resisting >that. At the risk of asking the obvious .... what ever happened to parents supervising their kids ... I know all the reasons ... mod and dad working etc .... but I teach school, and here in Vermont I still run into families with two breadwinners who actually know what their kids are doing ... (sadly, not as many as I wish I would meet; and since my job is working with 'at risk' students 98% of the parents I deal with have no clue as to what their kids are doing) The joke of the whole thing is that most probably the kids will know how to manage the 'controls' better than the parents and they will use the V-ratings and controls to figure out which shows they will find 'most interesting!' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNC0Qp8dZgC62U/gIEQL/qwCfZCgLjnIND1sI6yYIVNrFtuLCbOAAn3k5 PgcBlDQdw/15KXFUJnAay01V =7mLT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For my PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...error reading WinOS. (A)bort, (R)etry, (M)acintosh?"

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Digital Postage (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:18:02 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Digital Postage > At 8:56 PM -0700 9/26/97, Jim Choate wrote: > > The point is that some remailers will remail for free. And consequences will be: - in general intermittent reliability with boxes going up and down like yo-yo's. I suspect it will be like BBS's were in the early 80's when everyone put one up for two weeks. - limited traffic bandwidth, why would some kid or hobbyist be willing to spend (for example) $1k/month to keep a T1 going so others can use it. - parties who would not use a fully commercial site because they don't want to pay for it will flock to such servers. Because they loose nothing if it goes down they have no reason to consider the impact of their actions on themselves. > Some will remail for some form of digital postage. Some will charge too little, some too much. > Some will adjust their prices based on market/customer reactions. And so on. And there are a couple of problems with this: - it relies on a mechanism not currently in place to interface with other more traditional financial institutions. Which I might add don't look upon this as the most trustworthy mechanism. - how do you charge for the postage, per submission? What happens when I want to send 10,000 parties the email. Do I still pay the digi-postage equivalent of $.35? Or do I pay $350.00? What about intermediate remailers and their desire to get a cut of the pie? > What _others_ think is not really too important. Really? Tell that to the DA when some bozo from the local Scientoligist shows up and starts harrassing you with legal actions. No, CyberPromo is a clear indication that what others think can in fact sink your boat no matter how big a bilge pump you might have. > It seems fairly obvious that some form of metered service--remailing for a > fee--is likely to evolve. It must evolve or else we won't have anonymous remailers. People in general are not going to build these sorts of systems out of some philanthropic streak. Even if they did, it is equaly obvious they won't be reliable for long-term use. > Charityware remailers will work for a while, so > long as the usage is low and the expectations are even lower. But > eventually those with an actual need for anonymous communication will pay > for the service. How much, and when, and in what form, all this remains to > emerge. Agreed. However, I do not believe that anonymous remailers have a sufficiently parallel structure with physical mail to carry that system over. When the Austin Cpunks had kourier up about a year and a half ago it became clear that financing such an enterprise is not trivial. I suspect that anon remailers will operate by something similar to ISP's where when the account is setup some fee is paid for use and not on a use by use based fee. The problem with that is it creates a 'concrete' link between the party desiring anonymity and the remailer operator that may be exploited in some (most? all?) cases to break that anonymity. > I call this metered usage "digital postage" because that's what it is. It > has to be untraceable, obviously, and so some form of blinded cash, or > blinded token (e.g., "use once tokens") has to be used. The problem is that it shuts out people like one of my customers who still uses a 2400 modem, even after I offer to give her a spare 14.4 that I have. While I can appreciate the desire to expunge such luddite thinking as a gear-head but as a business I don't care about their philosophy unless it leads me to their purse strings. If remailers are going to work as a business we can't turn our back on traditional payment mechanisms. The problem, as I see it, is that there is no clear mechanism for me to write a normal check and have that turn into a anon account easily without involving 3rd parties and their concommittent extra costs - further increasing the end-user cost to do business. There better be a reason or they won't pay for long. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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pna.show_story?p_art_id=347667&p_section_name=Sci-Tech
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN Custom News logo [LINK] Home World U.S. Weather Sports Business Sci-Tech Showbiz Lifestyle alt On Target Customize Profile Help Feedback Switch User [ISMAP] InfoSeek [INLINE] September 27, 1997 1:23 pm GMT [INLINE] Sci-Tech Title [INLINE] Ad Space ________________________ ___Word ___Theme ______________ Options [INLINE] The story below was selected from CNN Custom News - a new personalized service that delivers only the news that's important to YOU. Sign up now to receive your personal news stories, weather, sports scores, and stock quotes from over 100 different sources - all for FREE. If you're already a user, please login. Custom News MOVING MONEY IN CYBERSPACE NewsBytes 26-SEP-97 SINGAPORE, 1997 SEP 26 (Newsbytes) -- By Kenneth Kway. When it comes to conducting monetary transactions on the Internet, the world can only move as fast as its financial institutions. Banks in particular have an important role to play in the acceptance of the Internet as a legitimate medium in which secure business transactions can be performed. But even banks in well-connected Singapore have been cautious in embracing the Internet for their business while being clearly interested in tapping in on an increasing number of Internet users in Singapore and the region. The Development Bank of Singapore (DBS) is one of the first to make Internet banking a reality. DBS hopes to revolutionize Singapore's local banking industry by giving customers the convenience of banking through the Internet at any time they choose and from anywhere they happen to be. "We expect other banks will soon be unveiling similar programs but we are the one of the first to bring this service to our customers," said Lau Chan Sin, DBS deputy president. "We want this project to contribute to the creation of an IT culture where customers can experience the ease and convenience of banking on the Web," said Lau. The trial involving a select group of DBS customers and staff will last until October, when the system will go live. They will have online access to detailed information regarding their results. Among other things, they will be able to obtain real time information about their accounts, track cheque status, transfer funds and effect payment of bills. "For now, it is unlikely that Internet banking will move into areas that are not already covered by phone banking," says Datapro analyst Lim Soo Ching. "As it is, banks are trying to work out a business proposition for phone banking. Online banking would face the same concerns." The bank's home page, users' first point of access, will deliver banking news to the customer. The bank has gone one step further and allowed users to customize the kind of news they want to receive. Each time they check the area on the DBS home page labelled "Your Personal News" they will be presented with the personalized bulletin that is relevant to their needs and banking habits. The bank has put in place a slew of industry standard security measures like firewalls and authentication services. These measures are supplemented by a proprietary security solution. The emphasis is on confidentiality of the transaction as much as protecting against unauthorized access. "Looking at the technology the bank has out in place, security is not a problem," says Lim. "Banking may be actually safer than phone banking, but the user perception is just the opposite." The bank stresses the importance of user cooperation to maintain a high level of security. "The customer has to work hand in hand with the security systems that the bank has put in place," said Mrs Elsie Foh, executive vice president of retail banking at DBS. "For instance they should remember to log off from the system once they have completed their banking session. The bank was not at liberty to reveal the equipment and software used in the project but it was disclosed that the entire setup cost S$2 million. Aside from an initial sign-up fee, the bank intends to charge users a monthly fee for the program after the initial 6-month promotion period. DBS will add to the initial services offered through the Bank's Internet Banking service. "We met with great success bringing our customers the convenience of share application and COE (Certificate of Entitlement) bids through ATMs," said Foh. "Similarly, we intend to broaden the scope of our Internet services to include more diverse types of commercial applications." Investment related transactions, insurance purchase and third party funds transfer are just some of the areas being explored for future implementation. In this way, the banks hope to build greater value on the new service and attract a high user base. DBS expects 30 000 customers in the first year of the system's operation and projects that the number will climb to 150000 in 3 years. "Culture will also make a difference," says Lim. "Asia tends to take longer than the West in the acceptance of new technology." He cites automated teller machines (ATMs) as one such example. "It will be some time before online banking becomes the norm." DBS is looking into providing all its users with personal financial manager software such as Intuit or Quicken. This would allow customers to better coordinate their personal finances with the bank. Such a package will most likely be customized to work with the bank's system. "The significance of this technology is that any computer in the world that can access the Internet is instantly a transaction terminal that can be used to do banking." said Lim. (Reported by Newsbytes News Network http://www.newsbytes.com) Search the net: InfoSeek ___________________ ____ [Help] [INLINE] Ad Space Top Copyright © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. A Time Warner Company ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Terms under which this information is provided to you. [INLINE]

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Re: Remailer latencies (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/26/97 11:49 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >> And, since you asked, would it not be in the interests of remailer >> operators to have a script which would generate random text, encrypt >> it to various remailers and send it out as 'cover traffic'? >> It would seem to me that this would be particularly valuable for the >> remailers that receive the least amount of traffic. > >This aspect of traffic cover is more complex than it at first >seems. Take for example the second simplest model that I am aware >of. For each email that comes in n bogus emails go out with one >remailed copy. So for each email we receive we end up processing >n+2 emails. Since to be useful n must be reasonably larger than 2 >to be effective we are left with a quandry. Aswe process more >traffic (ie become successful) we find our bandwidth need growing >at a linear rate of n, unfortunately the skills and resources to >support this increase also get larger as we become more successful. I am incline to think that as the traffic goes up the need to generate 'n' mails for each 'real' inbound/outbound goes down. It would seem to me that one could specify a general volume level, ie, in a given period of time, say 1 hour if only 1-20 objects of mail comes in, generate some random amount between say 20 and 100 bogus objects to have a volume level that provides the uncertainty to foil/complicate traffic analysis. If 20 to 40 real mails come in, generate 30 to 150 objects, if 40 to 100 comes in maybe only 40 to 200 extra objects. As the volume rises, it seems to be the need for voluminous additional bogus objects decreases somewhat as you have plenty of objects to get a good 'mix' and 'latency.' I will admit I am a neophyte here and am working more on what appears to me as common sense; I would be happy to be educated as to what is wrong with the above logic ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNC0UPsdZgC62U/gIEQKBXgCfZIXbYvWRz2dyGknCt8YXw6Uz+2IAnjO0 4Qf0UZLqODa4GYioABPAPjcf =CUL5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "I left him for dead and buried his axe. If there was a Valhalla, I wanted him weaponless." from "Highlander"

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Moral Legitimacy (was Child Molester Prevention)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Glenn Hauman quoted: >"But this relationship depends on the secular Left-liberals cooperating, by >also making children a transcendental category. That they have done so has >less to do with the welfare of children than with a restless search by >these elites for a source of moral legitimacy to shore up their managerial >foundations." ............................................................ a restless search.....for a source.... of moral legitimacy.... I am moved to preach to the Choir, for this struck me as a significant series of words to remember. (There have been many posts lately to which I wanted to comment, but I'm restraining myself to this one.) . Some people search within the U.S. Constitution or Declaration of Independence, for moral legitimacy to their political stands. Some efforts for moral legitimacy are from people who feel left out and need (desperately) to find a place for themselves within a social/political context. Ex: "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men [...] are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights..." i.e., with certain qualities which in reality make them, therefore, no less significant politically than any who would presume to be above them. Some efforts seem hypocritical, appearing to be attempts at creating the image (illusion) of being founded, similar to the concepts of Natural Rights, upon something unquestionable or inalienable, yet upon closer examination resembling less the endowments of a Superior Creator than of certain psychological desires of regular Human Beings. Differentiating between Deific Origins and other Sources: the concept of being endowed with qualities like "inalienable Rights" leads one to think that one (any individual) has within them the justification for standing separately from, and acting independently of, the absolute hold of a "ruler" of a whole group of people. Contrast that with concepts which lead one to forego the idea of oneself as their own person, substituting instead the image of being situated in a hospital, where everyone is the equivalent of a patient and all are cared for by an Official Nurse who looks after their best interest. All officially justifiable and legitimate investments within this domain are identified not by reference to innate strengths which anyone might find within themselves, but instead are categorized as varieties of weaknesses which give argument to the propriety of surrendering to the ministrations of Authorized Overseers - who will sympathize, succor, and tend to those investments. The intent is for everyone to internalize the image of themselves as invalids within an atmosphere of sympathy for their "special" condition; invalids warranting the attention of the only ones who will be sensitive to their delicacies - those worthy causes which everyone else neglects. Whereas the Founders (of the U.S.) looked to innate qualities of goodness for the justification to their rebellion against mistreatment, these Upwardly Mobile Middle Managers look for untended frailties at the "bottom of the barrel" to provide just cause for acquiescence to their programs. Question: what is "moral" legitimacy (more than merely legitimate)? Better than Thine? One which would be so worthy of one's investment, that it would seem like an obligation, a duty; in a society, that which would be deemed worthy of *everyone's* time and effort, without exception. Is it good to search for (establish) a moral basis to use as a defense of one's manner of existence, or is it really unnecessary? If left unreferenced, unmentioned, will that leave a vaccum in the mind which might otherwise support such endeavors? Does one *need* to legitimize one's (political) behavior? When it becomes necessary for a people to "assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." The Founders felt the need to justify their break from the Mother Country. Today the UMMM feel the need to accomplish acquiescence to their goal of situating themselves as The Legitimate Ministers of Important Matters. As they must evoke feelings of justification for their intents and purposes, the reasons for these, the source, must appear to be Moral, to be undeniably Basic and inarguably appropriate, neutralizing all argument against it. But "[...] when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Like, inviolable encryption. <g> .. Blanc

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Re: Remailer latencies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Remailer latencies (fwd) > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 10:17:52 -0400 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > I am incline to think that as the traffic goes up the need to > generate 'n' mails for each 'real' inbound/outbound goes down. In effect as you get more popular your traffic becomes easier to track. I don't think I would use a remailer that advertised this 'feature'. Traffic analysis is something that is easily automated so the measure of success (to my mind anyway) is what sort of resources would a mallet need to get a solution versus the time frame that solution might we relevant. Admittedly this is a very sloppy area of remailers, I am not aware of any analysis with anon. remailers in mind. If anyone does know of a source please cough it up... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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cypherpunks in my doctoral research
by David J. Phillips 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been writing a doctoral dissertation in which cypherpunks play a prominent role. The research focuses on the negotiations by which standards of identification are incorporated into new consumer payment systems. In particular, I am looking at how issues of privacy, anonymity, and identification are woven into public discussions of these systems. I have identified three systems (Ecash, Mondex, and Citibank's EMS), and I've analyzed talk about these systems in three sites - press articles, the U.S. House of Representatives, and the cypherpunks mailing list. If you're interested, I'd appreciate any comments on this work. I've posted a draft of the cypherpunks section on my web site: <http://www.asc.upenn.edu/USR/sphill/punks.htm>. I'm especially interested in knowing if you believe that my analysis is accurate and complete, and if you believe its publication might effect cypherpunks themselves, or the social and political projects which cypherpunks share. I would like to add one caveat. I had to limit my analysis to a particular time period. Neither the discussion, nor the list, nor the entity of cypherpunks is the same now as then. Please bear this in mind as you read. And please forward this note to anyone who may be interested, but is no longer part of the cypherpunks list. Thanks. David J. Phillips Annenberg School for Communication University of Pennsylvania

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