December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Email Filter Needed
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone needs to write an email filter that saves the headers from the TruthMonger (et al) posts and deletes the message. (A similar case could be made for mute Playboy centerfold candidates.) X-Comments: This email message is not from "Lee Harvey McVeigh': it was X-Comments: sent by an anonymous asshole using a remailer. X-Comments: Send all complaints about abuse of this remailer to X-Comments: the Oklahoma City Federal Building in a Ryder truck.

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EPIC...Buy Guns!
by Truth Monger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just watched a Detroit news report on the paramilitary and how the 'regular' citizens would have no problem with the government's desire to criminalize the existence of paramilitary group. A reporter expressed the view that the government is "hesitant" to "strongarm" legislation that limits the constitutional rights of the paramilitarists because they fear the "trouble" that would arise. Perhaps we should approach the Michigan Militia to represent us in crypto issues involving government regulation. "Reasonable compromise" should refer to promising your opponent a quick death. TruthMonger

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okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. "Dust off old sparky, its time to start cooking" Kirk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5NgTligvzmuAps5AQEj+gL/TzmTIDcU3OUOs5wSJHv/kZIA0Wh5z5JX aJPra8AZhGMpPQG9myZAi8iBjS29LPgnBjCAu8+/3ksC7EBIslC7yoak5ShRB1+m VUamIo91CrTF3P5C5d9bejXnmPV1S1oi =lS7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cryptographic Mythology
by proff＠suburbia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is something to amuse, delight and horrify - the tail of: _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. I recently wrote a VNODE (4.4bsd) based encrypted file-system. Now the day dawned when I decided it was high time to discard my rather egocentric working name _Proffs_ (i.e Proff File System) and cast about for a decent, respectable name. My first thought on this matter was: CERBERUS, n. The watch-dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance -- against whom or what does not clearly appear; everybody, sooner or later, had to go there, and nobody wanted to carry off the entrance. Cerberus is known to have had three heads, and some of the poets have credited him with as many as a hundred. Only, what was the relation between KERBEROS and CERBERUS? Pups from the same litter, or was the relationship a little more incestuous? I had to find out. There was no way - n o w a y - I'd be having my encrypted file system playing second fiddle to that evil authentication beast. KERBEROS; also spelled Cerberus. n. The watch dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance--against whom or what does not clearly appear; . . . it is known to have had three heads. . . Mythology couldn't get any more incestuous than that. 450,000 bytes of Greek polytheism later, and I'm wondering if the Gods of Olympus really had any high-paid guards to speak of except the multi-headed mongrel from Hades. I'm feeling down. I'm cursing the Ancients. I'm disrespectfully humming tunes `All and All it's Just Another Greek in the Wall', and `Athena be my Lover' when I discover: JANUS: in Roman mythology, custodian of the universe, god of beginnings. The guardian of gates and doors, he held sacred the first hour of the day, first day of the month, and first month of the year (which bears his name). He is represented with two bearded faces set back to back. Custodian of the universe. Guardian of gates and doors. Cooool. Janus. January. I like it. Only while I'm liking it, I'm thinking that I've heard the word Janus a lot before. I'm thinking it isn't just me who has looked up from the middle of a Greek mythology text, whilst in the throes of a name hunt with the words "Cooool" on their tongue. No: the Gods just don't smile on me that way. AltaVista confirms the truth of Heaven's bad attitude towards me. 17,423 references. _The Janus Mutual Trade Fund_, _The Janus Project_, _Janus ADA95_, a dozen ISPs from Canada (what is it WITH these Canadians?), _Janus' cool word list_ (turns out to be not so cool), _The Janus Ensemble_, _Hotel Janus_, _Janus Theatre_, _janus.com_, _janusfunds.com_, _Janus_ an Australian Police drama series and of course, the sixth moon of Saturn - _Janus_. Janus is out-of-the-picture. I'm not sure whether to feel smug or grim about the rest of the world's lack of originality. Guards. Guardians. The Greeks didn't have many with bite and I'm loosing patience with the whole culture. Euphrosyne, Aglaia, and Thalia do not grace me. What I need is something that evokes passion within my cryptographic domain. And when you come down to it, that means something which produces copious amounts of gore and blood, at will, from those who would dare to pass its demesne of protection. The Erinyes, or Furies, were three goddesses who punished by their secret stings the crimes of those who escaped or defied public justice. The heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling. Their names were Alecto, Tisiphone, and Megaera. They were also called Eumenides. Aye. Plenty of gore there. But somewhat lacking in cryptographic analogy. Fantastic material for the group that doesn't meet at number 41 every Saturday night though. They will appreciate what the Erinyes were trying to achieve. Somewhat heartened, my mind turns to the Erinyes' dress sense. "..heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling". Terrific. Serpents. Terrific \Ter*rif"ic\, a. [L. terrificus; fr. terrere: to frighten + facere: to make. See Terror, and Fact.] Causing terror; adapted to excite great fear or dread; terrible; as, a terrific form; a terrific sight. Is it a symptom of society in decay that this word has come to mean: Excellent \Ex"cel*lent\, a. [F. excellent, L. excellens, -entis, p. pr. of excellere. See Excel.] 1. Excelling; surpassing others in some good quality or the sum of qualities; of great worth; eminent, in a good sense; superior, as an excellent man, artist, citizen, husband, discourse, book, song, etc.; excellent breeding, principles, aims, action. Or as Milton would say: To love . . . What I see excellent in good or fair. On the other hand, David Hume (1711-1776): The more exquisite any good is, of which a small specimen is afforded us, the sharper is the evil, allied to it; and few exceptions are found to this uniform law of nature. The most sprightly wit borders on madness; the highest effusions of joy produce the deepest melancholy; the most ravishing pleasures are attended with the most cruel lassitude and disgust; the most flattering hopes make way for the severest disappointments. And, in general, no course of life has such safety (for happiness is not to be dreamed of) as the temperate and moderate, which maintains, as far as possible, a mediocrity, and a kind of insensibility, in every thing. Perhaps it is the sign of a brain in decay, rather than a society that I dwell on it so, because Terrific hair serpents of course lead unfailing into the arms of the Medusa. A guardian of fearsome looks, but dubious motivations according to authorities like Clash of the Titans (1981). A moot point, perhaps as Princeton's history department no longer wants to talk to me. I'm cast adrift, to rely on my Plasticine childhood memories and the mythological swamp of the web. NAME: Medusa FAVORITE PASTIME: Turning men to stone PLACE OF ORIGIN: Los Alamos Secret CIA Lab SPECIAL GIFTS: Petrified Aggregate Projectist FAVORITE MOVIE: Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers GOALS IN LIFE: To be a nice person FAVORITE BOOK: Madonna's biography PET PEEVE: Bad hair days Jesus. I've been sucked into comic book hell. Princeton, take me back. I won't curse at the ancient Greek's sexual proclivities anymore. I'm sure chaste marriages were very daunting to those yet to have them. I was only joking. Lighten up will you? But, alas, the history faculty however was still nursing its wounds, and was not ready to forgive me. I'd have to find an authoritative source somewhere else. Perhaps I could filter out the comic book hell contaminants and come up with respected history Ivy, even if it wasn't Princeton Ivy. To decapitate - to castrate. The terror of the Medusa is thus a terror of castration that is linked to the sight of something. The hair upon the Medusa's head is frequently represented in works of art in the form of snakes, and these once again are derived from the castration complex. It is a remarkable fact that however frightening they may be in themselves, they nevertheless serve as a mitigation of the horror, for they replace the penis, the absence of which is the cause of the horror. This is a confirmation of the technical rule according to which a multiplication of penis symbols signifies castration. Sigmund Freud The Medusa's Head You had to hand it to Sigmund. He was nothing if not authoritative, and after reading his inspiring words on the terrific serpent haired woman, it became clear to me that _Proffs_ and the Gorgon had somewhat unresolved metaphorical incompatibilities. I didn't want my software giving anyone a castration complex. I decided to put aside the denizens of Olympus from contest verbatim. I'd read Fraud on Perversions a few years before and knew Medusa was just a portent of what was to come. What I needed was another polytheist culture entirely. Latin didn't help me. Nearly all the Roman Gods had been vilely plagiarised from the Greeks, Latin names or not. Freud knew this as well as I did. The Norse gods were of little assistance to me. The only one worth paying school to was Loki, the Norse god of mischief. Loki was a very cool fellow, which was why his name has been appropriated as a moniker by virtually every Bjorn, Sven, and Bob hacker to come out of Scandinavia in the last 10 years. No, Loki was not for me. The problem craved for a polytheist mythology outside the realm of my, and more importantly Sigmund Freud's, Western European upbringing. The answer to my question was by definition locked within a body of history I didn't know an onion skin about. In order for the pilgrim to reach the master he must first place his foot on the path, no matter how gradual the slope up the mountain of enlightenment. Zen Buddhism is good like that. Fabricating parables up as you go along that is. Zen master Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A young novice began to imitate him in this way. When Gutei was told about the novice's imitation, he sent for him and asked him if it were true. The novice admitted it was so. Gutei asked him if he understood. In reply the novice held up his index finger. Gutei promptly cut it off. The novice ran from the room, howling in pain. As he reached the threshold, Gutei called, "Boy!". When the novice returned, Gutei raised his index finger. At that instant the novice was enlightened. But wait. This Koan isn't fabricated. At least, not by me. And unlike most Zen Koan's I think you will agree that it pleasantly satisfies Schopenhauer's "life, without pain, has no meaning". However, semantically I'm seeing a very unhealthy correlation to forgetting one's encryption key and losing one's finger. My mind is drawn to the memory of the real-life nightmare of laying in the easy-chair of a Swanston St. hypnotherapist suite, gazing intently into a bright, but distant red light, while chanting the mantra "I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about an Indian doctor with a 5th floor office decorated coup'd'Edelstien. I'm not cynical about a man who claims that his foremost clientele are rich middle aged women who have put their jewellery somewhere "safe" and consequently are unable to recall the location. I'm not cynical about a hypnotist who extols the virtues of having a M.D. so his patients can claim 2/3rds of the cost of these jewellery retrieval sessions under Medicare. I'm not cynical that these middle aged women are infact suffering from some form of Mesmer complex. And by all the powers in Heaven, I have no pessimism about recalling my god-damned pass-phrase!". I never did remember the pass-phrase and you will notice Gutei keeps very quiet about what he does with the novice's finger. In this particular case, given the value of the data, I would have traded placed with Gutei's novice, before you can say "Boy! Was I enlightened". I put my chin on my knee, and stare at the grain of my beige plastic monitor case. Unless I could jump into another reality it was the end of the line for _Proffs_ and _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. Boy! Was I bummed. One of the great sins of us programmers is procedural thinking. And it was exactly this sort of folly I was engaging in. There were around 6 billion other realities going about their business. I grant you that 2 billion of these were no doubt indulging in the confusion and diffusion of an avalanche of pseudo-random mental images and sequences we associate with dreams, and probably another 2 billion busy expanding their minds with the powerful products of hash or decaying into a compressive state of increasing entropy and beer rounds. This still left a select 2 billion souls with which to weave my work. If I approached them directly rather than by analysing the information trails they left behind, I'd stand a good chance of getting my feet onto the path of cryptographic mythological enlightenment. I have a Swedish friend who calls himself Elk on odd days and Godflesh on even days. Don't ask why. As far as I know he's not bisexual. Elk listened to my quest for cryptographic myth. He had pondered, and uncovered a diamond in the rough. MARUTUKKU. The third name is MARUTUKKU, Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. F a r o u t. Master of the arts of protection. Chained the Mad God. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. Even the very word MARUTUKKU looks like it has been run through a product cipher. But I wasn't about to trust the work of a self-admitted Swedish Sumeria freak who was obviously suffering from a bi-polar moniker disorder. Was it mere coincidence that MARUTUKKU was an anagram for KUKU MART and KUKU TRAM? I didn't want MARUTUKKU to end up as another cog in the annals of Freudian analogy. What I needed was the sort of Authoritative History that only Princeton's history faculty could provide. The tablets of the Enuma Elish: The Akkadian Creation Epic Based on the translation of E. A. Speiser, with the additions by A. K. Grayson, Ancient Near-Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament, third edition, edited by James Pritchard (Princeton, 1969), pp. 60-72; 501-503, with minor modifications. This work, the ancient Mesopotamian creation epic consisting of seven tablets, tells of the struggle between cosmic order and chaos. It is named after its opening words. It was recited on the fourth day of the ancient Babylonian New Year's festival. The text probably dates from the Old Babylonian period, i.e., the early part of the second millennium B.C.E. [...] The third name is MARUTUKKU Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. [...] MARUTUKKU truly is the refuge of his land, city, and people. Unto him shall the people give praise forever. All praise the MARUTUKKU! My search had born a ripe and tasty fruit indeed. The quest for a cryptographic mythology was complete. Or was it? The words of Hume kept coming back to me and I had a nagging feeling that there was some substance in them. If MARUTUKKU was my exquisite cryptographic good, of wit, effusive joy, ravishing pleasure and flattering hope; then where was the counter point? The figure to its ground - the sharper evil, the madness, the melancholy, the most cruel lassitudes and disgusts and the severest disappointments. Was Hume right? Because if he was, there was only one organisation this string of hellish adjectives could represent. The cryptographic devil with its 500,000 sq feet of office space in Maryland. But surely there could be no reference to such an organisation in the 4,000 year old Babylonian tablets. The idea was preposterous. Wasn't it? TABLET VII OF THE ENUMA ELISH: ESIZKUR shall sit aloft in the house of prayer; May the gods bring their presents before him, that from him they may receive their assignments; none can without him create artful works. Four black-headed ones are among his creatures; aside from him no god knows the answer as to their days. It's a cold and wintry night, here in Melbourne. Despite this, the gusts of wind and rain seem to be unusually chilling. What had I, in my search for a cryptographic mythology, stumbled onto? I look hard at the seven letters E-S-I-Z-K-U-R. A frown turns to a smile and then a dead pan stare. I write down: IRK ZEUS -- Prof. Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks proff(a)iq.org |and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery

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Re: McVeigh
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Geiger writes: >That's right Phil you can sleep better now that all the evil millitia have >been distroyed. I'm sure you woun't mind when the Constitution is gone >too. Nothing to worry about after all you have Bill Clinton and his >buddies to make sure your safe. They said they would and they would never >lie. Well I supose there is the possibility your lot might see sense and ask to be readmitted to the British Empire but its by no means clear you would be re-admitted. And there would have to be reparitions for all that confiscated British property being used without compensation... >I'm sure if you were in Germany during the 30's that you would have >thought the "Jewish Solution" was a good thing after all the government >said it was. McVeigh is the racist extreemist who has committed mass murder in this case, not the government. While I would welcome it if you joined me in condeming US sponsored terorism during the cold war I don't think you are willing to do so. >That's ok Phil 1 little white boy will fry in the electric chair. But just >maybe your children will never have to know what it's like to live under a >Hitler or a Stalin because there are some in this country who are willing >to standup to the STATEST in DC who if given the chance will enslave us >all. But this threat does not come from the state, it comes from those like McVeigh who will murder children to further their agenda. The militias have not rejected the concept of a state, far from it they claim ownership of it, they claim that they have the right to dispense law, they claim the right to murder those who disagree with them. Their ideology is at root that of Musollini's fascists. It is surprising to find that you are so willing to be an open appologist for McVeigh's crime but in answer to your point: No children are going to grow up in a better world because of McVeigh or any of his followers, many will not grow up at all because he murdered them. Phill

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Re: From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Professor Denning has an evolving statement of her position on encryption policy, the latest dated May 26, 1997: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/position.html Excerpts: "I do not advocate domestic regulations mandating key recovery. Neither do I advocate that cryptography necessarily be free of all regulation, including export controls. I constantly struggle with the issues and do not see easy answers." "I support the program of the Clinton Administration to liberalize export controls for key recovery products, to adopt key recovery within federal agencies, and to promote the voluntary use of key recovery technologies. I believe that key recovery can be done without compromising privacy and security, but acknowledge that there are also costs and risks associated with key recovery."

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Tiffany's Pictures on her web page
by bodiesrhot＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you are not interested in adult pictures or are under the age of 18, I apologize, DO NOT REPLY and I will GUARANTEE you will be removed from my list or you may reply to removetif(a)answerme.com and you will receive confirmation that you were removed, either way, I apologize and you WILL be removed from my list. Hi my name is Tiffany. I am a college student that just learned how to make a web page, so I decided to put some naughty pictures of myself on my page for everyone to see. If you want to see it, write back to me at tif(a)answerme.com and type "over 18" in the subject box (you will have to change the current "to" box to tif(a)answerme.com) If you are offended by nudity, Do Not Reply and I will take you off my mailing list. -Tiffany -Tiffany

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Re: okc trial
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kirk Fort wrote: > I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. The country needs to be sent a strong message that the lives in OKC were much more valuable than those in Waco. McVeigh is only guilty of 167 counts of murder. One of those killed in the blast was a Branch Davidian. (McVeigh will receive a government paycheck for that death.) TruthMonger

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Re: Remove this link immediately
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > > > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > > Please remove this link. > > > > > Please do so immediately. > > > > > > > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. "All you private property is target for your enemies." - Jefferson Airplane

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Jim Bell 4
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke briefly this afternoon with Kelly Miller, the clerk of the district court handling Jim's case, and Peter Avenia, the federal defender appointed to represent him. Not much news and no new documents have been released. Jim is still in jail and will remain until the grand jury indicts or not -- within 30 days, I believe. According to Avenia, the Magistrate Arnold decided to hold Jim at a detention hearing a week ago Friday. That the magistrate chose to do so after hearing the complaining agent's allegations of Jim's danger to the public and even though a pre-trial services report favored Jim's release. Avenia's offer to carefully monitor Jim if he was released was declined. Avenia would not disclose much beyond explaining federal procedures, citing client confidentiality. However, he said that during the hearing emphasis was given to AP in assessing Jim's threat to the public. Miller and Avenia were cordial. Here're telephone numbers: Kelly Miller: 1-253-593-6754 Peter Avenia: 1-253-593-6710

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Re: okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- he has been convicted on the 11 (I believe) federal employees. He has yet be tried on the other 156. I believe that the state of Oklahoma is going to prosecute that case. The 11 deaths should be enough though, for the maximum penalty. Kirk - ---------- > From: lucifer Anonymous Remailer <lucifer(a)dhp.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: okc trial > Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 9:16 PM > > Kirk Fort wrote: > > I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. > > The country needs to be sent a strong message that the lives in OKC > were much more valuable than those in Waco. > McVeigh is only guilty of 167 counts of murder. One of those killed > in the blast was a Branch Davidian. (McVeigh will receive a government > paycheck for that death.) > > TruthMonger > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5N1PFigvzmuAps5AQGJfAL/d70nJJzk69/Cq1JJWxlxA0SGr8EVWA32 vgpuwuAwHgdiwClSFGFexou6vNkLQW+92OvKPK0j/5NsPq6jtR4eYNaNpKOKfE+a xQxk3oQHrwco2ZwEdaCAGO1Wm7Ut7oPE =nuP8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Webpage picketing?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go through a third machine in order to express some view about the original target. This idea came to me while watching some folks picket a local grocer over something I couldn't make out (the signs were poorly done). It occured to me that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? So far I have been unable to figure a way out. Any ideas you might care to share with us all? _______________________________________________________________________ | | | No people do so much harm as those who go about doing good. | | | | Mandell Creighton | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remove this link immediately (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From don(a)tinaja.com Mon Jun 2 20:49:50 1997 Message-ID: <33937E16.2BE(a)tinaja.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:14:46 -0700 From: Don Lancaster <don(a)zekes.com> Reply-To: don(a)zekes.com Organization: Synergetics X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Re: Remove this link immediately References: <199706022354.SAA13080(a)einstein.ssz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Choate wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > consulting. > > > > > Please remove this link. > > Please do so immediately. > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > -- > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > net = not entirely true > > www = world wide wait > > > > Jim Choate > CyberTects > ravage(a)ssz.com Your actions constitute criminal libel. You will be treated accordingly. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location net = not entirely true www = world wide wait

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Re: Remove this link immediately
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Don, > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > > consulting. > > > > > > > > Please remove this link. > > > Please do so immediately. > > > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > > net = not entirely true > > > www = world wide wait > > > > > > > Jim Choate > > CyberTects > > ravage(a)ssz.com > > > Your actions constitute criminal libel. > You will be treated accordingly. > -- > Many thanks, > > Don Lancaster > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > net = not entirely true > www = world wide wait > No more so than your trying to decide what bookstore might carry the magazines your articles appear in. Further more, even if your page were commercial access only that would in no way prohibit me from linking to it, unless you care to claim that a library or used bookstore with a computerized listing of your articles constitutes libel (it doesn't). Give me a break and go pick a fight you can win. And if you are serious please enough with the vailed threats, just give me your lawyers name and number like a good little boy. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLyI9Co1n+aLhhAQFwwQP/UjaOJsK5+H2C+/lvlzqHOmWpBtoBiWv5 j41u1jFpl7z8U5Tzdw6k3TZ9NgWfbtrGoKB+0tvGpGElWrh0zxCWJ5EaQGrfDKtg UsuErzl9wzqBLZNo7vzUaRFxdOI6cbO+MxP/Xg5rv4Smka9sS6XekRu/v/cxnhwB zjkchBbPvV8= =OZyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLu49Co1n+aLhhAQEtRwP/eQV8Ecl4fsxFgAYCLXjR1SaMnhbi5uXp QoiO18fNJ0bPfNmuVP7s57BvBbwilEvXZSHDT3HfHFOxQxM/YIujoB2QmNma3gex kZxkGj+B2AXxEofZvLgq1o5t5k/mKU9LhMQzNMyXkWGk9hCXda2M+0+2QRXWFoav qfLdvgchNaA= =7ck9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLrY9Co1n+aLhhAQFC8wQAxmU7M6fL3U9gpFmd6kD1vSzf0twOaLnA wo1cEeO40VNyO45YeoZmZd/dLUl5LCgbyOR7MeKV8LTY9pFIxzeOdJwpoM+KT6z0 2gjBniplzhHYrq25opR3tqkxenooIO+zsNN+bulYF9XIv3wIi+zGwEnCLZn/VR8h xGQl6RhrwaM= =z+h5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Webpage picketing?...
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have > > been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go > > through a third machine in order to express some view about the original > > target. > > > > It occured to me > > that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a > > site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? > Jim: > You may dislike > one of the sites linking to yours, but you really can't hijack their > connections and force people to listen to you who don't want to. Wrong! It's done every day in every media from newspapers to TV and points in between, including the InterNet. > Imagine if you could! Anyone who dislikes any other page on the > web could block access Like CyberSitter, for instance. They can keep your child from using the local library computer to access Humane Society pages and animal rights groups because they have the word "bitch" on their websites. > There are two things you *can* do. (With Peter's approval, but many more things you can do with my approval.) > 1. You can put a disclaimer on your page "If you linked here from > XXX.XXX.XXX, please be aware that I object to that connection for > the following reasons..." "...and I have uploaded a virus to your machine. Have a nice day." > 2. If you or your webmaster have any kind of technical > sophistication, you can force links to your page to go to a CGI > script, which uses the HTTP-referrer: header to provide different > pages depending on the source of the connection. "You have linked to the CHILD PORNOGRAPHY Home Page." "Information regarding your sexual proclivities will be forwarded to the FBI, the local religious and law enforcement authorities in your home town, as well as to your employer and known associates." "Have a nice day." > But please, don't try to extend the 'information superhighway' > (blech!) metaphor to include virtual sidewalks with picketing > rights Please, do! There is not a day goes by where government and corporate entities do not promote legislation or software standards, etc., which are designed to influence what we may and may not see, as well as in what manner we perceive it. There is no reason that the individual cannot work in their own way to counter activities that they see as working against their own personal interests. It is possible to promote a wide range of "links" to web pages which are "spoofs" of another page or which link to the page but do so by opening them in a window which has surrounding windows revealing contradictory opinons, links, etc. Provide a link to the "Pretty Lousy Privacy" homepage, but add a window which mentions that your ten year old son cracked their cryptography program. Provide a pointer to a copy of the latest crypto legislation, which you have "translated" to include phrases such as, "despite its blantant unconstitutionality" and "in order to shear the sheeple." You are under no obligation to produce links or pointers, or to respond to links or pointers to your own site, in a manner that runs contrary to your own self-interest, or which allow those following those links to do so with blind faith that they will receive information slanted only toward a pre-conceived view of the world. Someone posted a URL to a web page "spoof" done by a number of cypherpunks (Hal Finney??,??) who had placed a number of options such as "Click here to destroy your hard-drive.", etc. on the site. It was a very Zen koan type of page which made one think about what they were doing and the possibilities of what the web page authors were/could-be doing. Click on a link that states, "Click here to see Hot, Teenage Sluts" and you are likely to end up at hotmail.com, adding to their list of spammees. To join the Dorthy Denning fan club, send email to majordomo(a)toad.com with a message body that says "subscribe cypherpunks." One can change the content of another's message when replying to an email: > Peter Trei > Disclaimer: The above represents the opinion of the people who > are holding my family hostage. or invent whatever "facts" suit their purpose: "Dr. Vulis is a murdering Armenian and Jim Choate sends the ASCII art spams to the list. These are well-known facts to which they have admitted in the past." I have a lot of respect for Peter's work, opinions and for his integrity, but my perception is that he fails to understand that the InterNet is a growing mosaic which can and should reflect *all* of life, and that his perception of what the InterNet is and should be somehow dictates what should and should not be done on the InterNet. I think that what should be done on the InterNet is exactly what people *want* to do. It is up to their own conscience as to whether their actions are done with integrity and up to the rest of us to interpret and respond to those actions. Tim May replied to someone on the list that a subject header he had used was "guilty(?)" of being inflammatory, and that he had used it for that very reason, to draw attention to his post. Is this manipulative? It is the way life works. I used Peter Trei and others' software for the DES Challenge, but I posted a suggestion to the list that perhaps their programs contained subterfuge designed to thwart others in their attempts to find the secret keys. Was I spreading FUD? The responses to my post gave me much more information about the processes behind the software than any direct inquiries I had made about their workings. (And they reinforced the fact that "blind trust" in their programs or anyone else's is foolish.) In short, I do not see Jim's concept of "picketing" web sites to be lacking in ethics, any more than Dr. Vulis' "rants" or John Gilmore's "unsubscribing" of the good Doctor or Tim May's "prodding" of our attention by his choice of subject headers. Each of us is responsible for interpreting and analyzing the information we access whether it says the king is wearing clothes or the king is naked. I could put a pointer to Peter's software which opens an adjoining window which warns that it may be compromised as a result of ulterior motives. The fact is, however, that Peter might himself put a disclaimer on his page saying, "If you can't read code, then you can't be certain of what my software is doing." (As a matter of fact, I believe his documentation mentions that there is no guarantee his logic is not in error.) And in the extreme case of anti-abortionists intercepting the email of pro-choice groups and inserting "Abortion is Murder!" messages--if the person receiving the message can't figure out that something is amiss, then maybe its not a good idea for them to be having children, anyway. (maybe) TruthMonger (maybe not) To view the contents of the whitehouse.gov hard drive: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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CA dig sig
by Lee Tien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:21:59 -0400 >From: Ben Wright <Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com> >Subject: California signature regs >To: CA-DIGSIG <CA-DIGSIG(a)commerce.net> > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >This message was addressed to: ca-digsig(a)lists.commerce.net >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >See <http://www.ss.ca.gov/digsig/digsig.htm>. The California Secretary of >State proposes regulations under California's digital signature act. The >regs allow for two types of technologies -- public key crypto and signature >dynamics (a method for securely binding measurements of a handwritten >autograph to an electronic document). > >--Ben Wright >Author, The Law of Electronic Commerce ><http://infohaus.com/access/by-seller/Benjamin_Wright> >Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM5OjBrk2KqHYSFEtEQIZlgCg54ppki6gxo85Iz4jrGVWptpfDKgAoPHi YNkQ6Z+NMo/f7sieToDJje4Z =zH6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Comments on the Macintosh
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vinnie wrote: >Tim,.I am suprised to hear you whining with such a liberals voice.. I >always thought that demanding memory protection in an OS is a lot like >demanding that the government is responsible for protecting you from >anything that might go bad.. If applications are well written, then you >really dont need the memory partitions in a personal computer. Hi Vinnie. I'm with Tim on this one. While I have strong feelings about locking up people, I have no compunctions at all about locking up program-instances. If I can contain the instances, and especially keep them limited in their file access, I can do a bunch to control viruses and other nasties. (BTW - Linux, like all Unixes is piss poor at limiting file system access.) Best Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: McVeigh
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker, realizing he is a soft target, wrote: > Appologists for McVeigh should consider that his actions did not > advance the militia cause an iota, it destroyed it and along with > it much of the right wing fringe. Or perhaps just sent more people underground. Many remarked that the Jim Bell arrest chilled the free speech of many list members but there are now at least two active AP Bots on the internet. I haven't noticed anybody "apologizing" for McVeigh or Bell. There are merely those who act or who don't act. <The rest of Phill's post is just his usual knee-jerk, elitist slander of those he politically opposes, and not worth commenting on.> TruthMonger

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[fwd] California digital-signature proposed regulations
by Jamie Lawrence 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:40:30 -0800 To: [...] Subject: [fwd] California digital-signature proposed regulations >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:21:59 -0400 >From: Ben Wright <Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com> >Subject: California signature regs >To: CA-DIGSIG <CA-DIGSIG(a)commerce.net> > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >This message was addressed to: ca-digsig(a)lists.commerce.net >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >See <http://www.ss.ca.gov/digsig/digsig.htm>. The California Secretary of >State proposes regulations under California's digital signature act. The >regs allow for two types of technologies -- public key crypto and signature >dynamics (a method for securely binding measurements of a handwritten >autograph to an electronic document). > >--Ben Wright >Author, The Law of Electronic Commerce ><http://infohaus.com/access/by-seller/Benjamin_Wright> >Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent by a majordomo-based automatic list manager. >Subscriptions to and archives of this list are available to any person >or organization. For further information send a mail message to >'ca-digsig-request(a)lists.commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) >contained in the body of your message. > --- end forwarded text -- "This analogy is like lifting yourself by your own bootstraps." -Douglas R. Hofstadter _______________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence jal(a)acm.org

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:06 PM 6/2/97 -0500, Marc Rotenberg wrote: >Like I said, Tim May et al are behind the >curve. You guys preach cyber anarchy but >you're really armchair activists. Methinks Marc has no idea what many of us do in their day jobs, much less what we do in our spare time. But who cares. All that matters is that we get more tools out faster. On that note...back to work. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Put a stake through the heart of DES! Join the quest at http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm

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test1
by Igor Chudov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hello

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[Noise] Internet makes niche markets possible
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[The following post has zero crypto relevance.] We all have heard much rhetoric concerning the Internet enabling the creation of niche markets. Markets that wouldn't exist otherwise, since potential sellers would not be able to reach a sufficient number of potential buyers to make production of a good profitable. But how many instances such newly created markets are you aware of? Well, I discovered a rather sweet example. You really like M&M's. You know: the round chocolate candy that melt in your mouth, not in your hand. The only problem is, you don't like the standard colors. You would much rather have all blue M&M's or, better yet, a bag containing only teal and light pink. Since the market for teal or light pink M&M's is marginal, the maker of M&M's does not include these colors in the bags one can purchase at nearest corner store. What to do? Voilà, the Internet to the rescue. Mars, the worldwide candy powerhouse and manufacturer of M&M's, decided to tap this newly possible business opportunity by offering custom colored M&M's through their webpage at http://www.m-ms.com/ A Shockwave applet allows you to combine your favorite colors and order the candy mix of your choice. Finally, teal M&M's are yours to indulge. Enjoy, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Put a stake through the heart of DES! Join the quest at http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm

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