December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK)
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Statement of Louis J. Freeh, Director, FBI, before the Senate Judiciary >Committee Hearing on Encryption, United States Senate, Washington, D. C. - >July 9, 1997 >Would we allow a car to be driven with features which would evade and >outrun police cars? But we do. Two hundred MPH cars remain street legal most places. With a good driver, these cars can even move fast enough to outrun radio communications (or rather the response time involved in radio communications). The search circle that contains them becomes too big too fast. >Would we build houses or >buildings which firefighters could not enter to save people? These remain legal as well. Heinlein's reinforced concrete house on Bonny Doone road in the Santa Cruz mountains. It is perfectly legal to build a reinforced concrete structure that could defeat entry for many days. More generally, it is legal not to speak and thus to deprive police and prosecutors of the contents of your mind. Crypto just extends this right. >Most importantly, we are not advocating that the privacy rights or personal >security of any person or enterprise be compromised >or threatened. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. I don't think this has ever been tested in court. I'll bet their are many circumstances in which it is perfectly legal to shout fire in a(n unburning) crowded theater. >You can't with >impunity commit libel or slander. Unless you're judgement proof. These are usually civil not criminal matters in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. >In support of our position for a rational encryption policy which balances >public safety with the right to secure communications, >we rely on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. There the framers >established a delicate balance between "the right of the >people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects (today we >might add personal computers, modems, data >streams, discs, etc.) against unreasonable searches and seizures." Those >precious rights, however, were balanced against the >legitimate right and necessity of the police, acting through strict legal >process, to gain access by lawful search and seizure to the >conversations and stored evidence of criminals, spies and terrorists. Course you long ago dropped the bit about "reasonable cause to believe a *crime *has been* committed." Loads of preventive wiretaps and regulatory searches in the absence of even the accusation of a crime. Violating Regs is usually not a crime. >The precepts and balance of the Fourth Amendment have not changed or >altered. What has changed from the late eighteenth to >the late twentieth century is technology and telecommunications well beyond >the contemplation of the framers. Course the Framers didn't have wiretaps either since they had no wires. We're just trying to restore the balance to the way it was in those days. No wiretaps. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM8ZdwYVO4r4sgSPhAQFzuwQAsIaHDDZgqS7j2Fit59XgF/6dRMtVlMc8 cSdEZcJX+PgNPSfLMnJ3YzYZ0tchmtRseD3xpx/eSnFrs5mTk8EhwPoPjMec1ydc yzHKkQJ/Nv0aNDkGGv/ertjA9TsbLBnKYHMEmDLAq9EyQ6rnnbeedJx36GwTw9BM RYabw2seBxU= =HIgS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Peter Swire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:29 AM 7/10/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >I'm not a lawyer, but I am interested in the various ramifications--and the >constitutionality--of recent "sweeping contracts" between vendors, >lawmakers, consumers, etc. > >Two recent example: > >1. The "tobacco agreement." Supposedly a deal involving the transfer of >$360 billion from some number of tobacco companies in exchange for dropping >of liability suits, immunity from future claims, voluntary restrictions (!) >on advertising, etc. (And the "etc." is especially complicated in this huge >case.) So far as I know, the agreement has no legal effect until and unless a bill is enacted in Congress. Once a bill is enacted, there can obviously be far-reaching ramifications. For instance, an individual's right to sue in tort can be cut off. Punitive damages can be abolished for the defined class of suits, etc. If such a bill is enacted, various groups would likely sue on the basis that it is unconstitutional. That's what happened with CDA -- the indecency provisions first became law, and then were overturned in the courts. > >2. The "voluntary ratings" agreement being announced today by Al Gore and >some of the television networks. (Earlier "voluntary agreements" were >implemented, but, according to supporters of censorship, "failed." Hence >the new push for newer voluntary restrictions.) The big legal fight on ratings is whether any "state action" takes place. The First Amendment governs efforts by a federal or state government to restrict speech. If private companies "voluntarily" agree to do something, the First Amendment simply does not apply. But if the coercive power of the state forces them to do the same thing, then the courts can get involved under the First Amendment. Here, if the government is too explicit that it will ban certain speech unless the networks ban it, then a court might find that the government in fact is involved in an impermissible way. >The issue, it seems to me, is that ordinary concepts of illegality and >civil liability are being swept aside in favor of these huge "deals" to >reduce liability in exchange for various actions. Well, who is bound by >these deals? > >If "Tim's Tobacco Company" starts up next year, after this deal is >"signed," is his company bound by this deal? If Tim the Smoker develops >lung cancer, is he blocked from suing? > The basic concepts are pretty clear. A contract among various parties binds that group of parties. A statute of general applicability can regulate everyone in the jurisdiction. The existing tobacco companies can't bind "Tim's Tobacco Company" in their contract. However, if they support a bill in Congress, and the statute is enacted, then their actions might indeed play a role in restricting your actions later on. Peter Prof. Peter Swire Ohio State University College of Law mailto:swire.1@osu.edu web: http://www.osu.edu/units/law/swire.htm (in early stages of construction)

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Airlines to start profiling, bag matching
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncs17.htm 07/10/97 - 08:26 AM ET Airlines to start profiling, bag matching New security measures for domestic flights, combining limited bag matching with a controversial computerized profiling system, will be operating by Dec. 31, Federal Aviation Administration officials said Wednesday. But the proposal, scaled down from what a presidential commission recommended in September, immediately drew fire from airline safety and civil rights proponents. The FAA will require that "first, passengers are profiled and selected bags are searched or matched," said Bruce Butterworth, director of civil aviation security operations, in an interview with USA TODAY. Airlines are expected to match bags with about 5% of fliers. A computerized profiling system will identify those who might pose a security risk. Example: passengers who buy tickets with cash. If someone matches the profile, their bags would not be stowed until they actually board the plane. Total bag matching is routine on international flights. But American Airlines executive vice president Robert Baker says he doubts that the Dec. 31 deadline will be met because airlines are still developing a profiling system. "We'll be lucky to have this in place by next year," he says. The FAA says it was encouraged that a test of bag matching in May at 12 U.S. airports didn't cause massive delays. Proponents of 100% bag matching say the FAA caved into the airlines' demands. "This weakens the whole idea of bag matching. It's about time the FAA decides whether it's on the side of profits for the airlines or on the side of safety," says Susan Cohen, whose daughter was killed by the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. The presidential commission had proposed that every passenger be matched with every bag on all domestic flights. But after the airlines objected, fearing massive delays, it agreed to a combination of profiling and limited matching. Others say profiling may discriminate against some ethnic groups. "Passengers should not have to give up essential liberties just to get on planes," says the ACLU's Gregory Nojeim. By Donna Rosato, USA TODAY

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[NEWS] Computer Coding Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Computer Coding Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns By Aaron Pressman WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued his sternest warning yet that widespread use of computer encoding technology could wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. But computer industry participants warned that U.S. restrictions on encryption products, which scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key," would merely boost sales by foreign companies. Freeh urged Congress to promote the use of a type of encryption that allows law enforcement agents to crack the codes by getting access to the software keys. "Law enforcement is in unanimous agreement that the widespread use of robust non-key recovery encryption ultimately will devastate our ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism," the FBI director testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Freeh has spoken out numerous times against the unrestricted export of strong encryption products, but his remarks Wednesday focused mainly on the threat to law enforcement efforts within the United States. Current laws impose tight controls on encryption exports but domestic use is completely unregulated and some scholars believe restrictions on U.S. citizens might be unconstitutional. Much of Wednesday's hearing rehashed well-worn arguments in the encryption debate. The software industry has backed legislation to relax export controls and promote the use of encryption as a means of securing electronic commerce and global communications over the Internet. Freeh and other members of the Clinton administration oppose those policies. Sen. Patrick Leahy, who is co-sponsor of a bill to dramatically relax export controls, argued that use of encryption could help prevent crimes. "Taking affirmative steps to use strong encryption can aid law enforcement and protect national security by limiting the threat of industrial espionage and foreign spying, and reducing the vulnerability of electronic information to online snoops and breaches of privacy," the Vermont Democrat said. Raymond Ozzie, author of the popular Lotus Notes messaging software, said the private sector's experience with key recovery schemes revealed significant problems. "All key management systems are inherently subject to failure of one sort or another," Ozzie, chairman of IBM Corp. <IBM.N> subsidiary Iris Associates, testified. "Mandated key management and key recovery methods remove diversity and centralize our vulnerabilities," he said. "This is likely to increase crime," Ozzie said. In addition to the Leahy measure, the Senate is also considering a bill sponsored by Sen. John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Sen. Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska. That measure would continue to strictly limit export of encryption without key recovery and require all computer networks used by the federal government or funded in part by the government to include key recovery. The Kerrey-McCain bill faces substantial opposition in the Senate, said Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington-based cyber civil rights group. "I don't think it has clear sailing on the Senate side," he said. An industry-backed bill in the House similiar to the Leahy approach has strong support and is expected to be approved by the International Relations Committee there soon, Rotenberg added. Wednesday, 9 July 1997 17:45:40 RTRS [nN09285032]

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A cheery note from USA Today
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.usatoday.com/usafront.htm This from their little happy factiod section... "Since FDA approval of Prozac in 1987, the number of Americans taking the anti-depressant has grown to 20 million." And considering the side-effects of Prozac, it is any wonder we live in a sexually frustrated nation?

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Re: Hacker cracks ESPN
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lynn Harrison wrote: >Starwave is warning customers about an "intruder" who took credit card >numbers from the ESPN and NBA Web sites and then sent messages to the card >owners about the alleged security flaws. Will the security breach on the >popular sports sites affect emerging e-commerce efforts? Is this the same story as the one in The Wall Street Journal today about Phiber Optic's "accidentally" sending worldwide a security test that automatically returns passwords stored on supposedly secure systems? Phiber claims he did not know the test would generate a flood of passwords to his e-mail address: from corps, mils, and govs. Says he's so sorry, especially because he's still doing community service. Phiber's employer refused to name the computer corp that installed the secure system Phiber was testing. However, experts interviewed said the password snarf feature is, ahem, well-known to experts, and that the only security worth trusting is the one you build and run yourself and test frequently and still makes you lay awake at night shivering in doubt fear and uncertainty -- like guilty-parental senators, TLA directors, and all the world's bearers of the public trust and such fundy druggies.

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Re: Acclivity - A global web of change management
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At , Marc Fourny wrote: >7 finally, we train the change team to innovate, install and implement new structures and systems. In addition we develop a new project management capability which is particularly key to success when radical change is involved. > >I would welcome the opportunity therefore of discussing with you your own tranformation programme to see how we might be able to add value to your own resources. ............................................................ Well, we could use some help with the Revolution. We need a crack team of precision go-getters who will lead the way towards the new anarcho-capitalist utopia, overcoming all the obvious & sundry obstacles in the way, particularly over by D.C. way. Or, how about another way to have an alternative internet which develops the way it originally grew and became so popular, before commercial organizations and spamming gold-diggers noticed it and got this idea that they could syphon advantages from it if only they could just control it, shaping it in their image, turning it in their direction. That would do it, for me. <g> .. Blanc

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Re: Cast of Characters for Crypto Politics (Judiciary Hearing)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:15 PM 7/10/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > Does anyone know what color Blanc wears? ....................................................... White. .. Blanc

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Subject: Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Peter Swire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:12 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: >> <snip from previous posts> >> The big legal fight on ratings is whether any "state action" takes >>place. The First Amendment governs efforts by a federal or state government >>to restrict speech. If private companies "voluntarily" agree to do >>something, the First Amendment simply does not apply. But if the coercive >>power of the state forces them to do the same thing, then the courts can get >>involved under the First Amendment. >> Here, if the government is too explicit that it will ban certain >>speech unless the networks ban it, then a court might find that the >>government in fact is involved in an impermissible way. >> >What is the (legal) downside to a network (or producer) >saying "No, I won't rate my shows."? >Personally, I'd love to see Disney do this. Today's papers are filled with the new "voluntary" rating system that most of the networks agreed to. One of the threats, for whoever didn't join, would be a *ban* on violent programming before 10 p.m. Networks that did join would do the rating, and so would not be subject to the ban. So, the analysis really takes two steps: (1) If "voluntary" and "private", the courts don't get involved under the first amendment, because no state action. Yesterday, Camel announced that it "voluntarily" had decided to stop using Joe Camel. (2) If "involuntary" and "state action", then it's like the CDA case. The Court looks at the size of the burden on protected speech, and then looks to see if their is a less restrictive alternative. For instance, the "no violence before 10 p.m." rule would be scrutinized like the "indecency" provision in the CDA. Then you go to Vegas and bet on what the courts will say. :) Peter Prof. Peter Swire Ohio State University College of Law mailto:swire.1@osu.edu web: http://www.osu.edu/units/law/swire.htm (in early stages of construction)

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Re: NEWS: Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: > No comment needed. > > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > > > By Klaus Prime > > > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued > >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could > >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. This is proof that Freeh has finally learnt to read, and has completed (we hope) "1984" and is applying it to his own world. Perhaps Freeh wasn't allowed to become a Big Brother, for the group of the same name. On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: > No comment needed. > > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > > > By Klaus Prime > > > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued > >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could > >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. This is proof that Freeh has finally learnt to read, and has completed (we hope) "1984" and is applying it to his own world. Perhaps Freeh wasn't allowed to become a Big Brother, for the group of the same name.

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:49 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: ... >What if private citizens decided to place Joe Camel ads in print and TV or >sponsor an event. Would they also be constrained in their freedom of >speech? That depends on what constrains people. Those with the capital resources to place TV ads or sponsor events would likely imagine the investigation from bureaucrats into their connections with the evil weed. Bureaucrats tend not to assume that liking the first amendment motivates anyone when compared to the lure of filthy lucre (ample evidence to the contrary notwithstanding). I can imagine a conversation something like this: "Ok, let's look into the stock portfolio of this "Steve Schear" guy who placed the ad that pissed the FDA commissioner off. Any RJR-Nabisco? What about his family? Hey, call the IRS and see if he's been audited lately, and plunk his name into that big FBI database CD-ROM we got from the Whitehouse." Leaving aside regulations governing TV stations and possible pressures on event promoters by government, I don't think that private citizens with the means to do this would have the will. As an increasingly less-partisan-and-more-anarchistic Libertarian, I must point out a little-noted aspect of the Democrats' scam (there is no other word). (from http://www.washtimes.com/politics/inside.html) Donor guests . . . . The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee scheduled a small dinner last night at La Brasserie. Among the "donor guests" of the anti-smoking party: Philip Morris, R.J. Reynolds and the Tobacco Institute. What still gets me is the shamelessness of it. This is like N.O.R.M.L. taking money from pee-test manufacturers (they don't, AFAIK). I know, "strange bedfellows" and all, but you'd think that they'd wait to dine privately together until their little public tiff is settled. I guess they figured that they can count on the media (aside from the Washtimes) not to call them on it. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBM8XafTUhsGSn1j2pAQHhEAfQwjGRDAhYQaZ928SgRNrdqAuFPepdeJVl fC6fSNVPsV7AxRAcnMUEqPH+MigIOQ9c84zMvmifBX/u1+X6Bi8lBKYB82W9COY4 QWcikhRFMkHGm6PhT52tjz0sE6l28PGqEi0j979N1srikwMhY82QUFPwE0+c6nJk tdbVWibae7SWfOQMFNDF9M3Ia3EzUf/ALdrDgz3Y5DVsBLA7bb2qBfLVn3uZ67gS 4KpPS5y8s4mUEEX5A83Sbz+ySfExv3OAHh4rDvjfulpDw7Sxhr42fsKdClirkHcg zOGe3/pbjUZS2CfCgm40PTjhXM71cvR/pST5COGuoVVnMQ== =ti9f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Controversy over UK escrow proposal (fwd)
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 12:08:13 +0100 From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> To: ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Subject: Controversy over UK escrow proposal This may be of interest, as the first news report that a government department is going on the record to oppose the escrow proposals of another government department. Ross Encryption: NHS FIGHTS TO BE EXEMPT FROM TTP Service claims key data access would breach patient confidentiality (Network Week v 2 no 41 (9/7/97), front page lead) By Daryl Wilcox The NHS has demanded to be exempt from proposed regulations requiring encryption keys to be lodged with a trusted third party (TTP). The NHS said it was concerned that if keys to medical data were held by TTPs, as proposed by the DTI for access by law enforcernent agencies, patients would lose confidence in the service's commitment to confidentiality. A source close to the DTl confirmed last week that the NHS had called for an exemption from TTP rules in a submission to the DTI on its proposals. The NHS is keen to be free to adopt encryption to allow the electronic movement of patient records between hospitals and GPs. The move looked likely to fuel widespread objection to the proposals from commerce and civil liberties groups, who would interpret the NHS position as a blow to thc credibility of a compulsory TTP system. Marion Bain, hcad of data protection issues at the Common Services Agency of the NHS, raised the NHS's concerns at last week's annual conference of data protection professionals' club Privacy and Business. ``The NHS concerns are different to business con- cems,'' she said. ``Patients would be resistant to the electronic transfer of their information if they thought access to it was available to a third party. The NHS would welcome being exempt from TTP rules.'' A source close to tlie DTI said: ``The NHS wants no part of a TTP rule. They have fought hard for patient data to only be made available to clinical practitioners and they want to preserve this.'' (ends)

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Re: New Add-On Law
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can the LEA have a blanket wiretap in a confessional booth in hopes of gaining evidence of organized crime? Are they permitted to monitor all confessions or just the ones stated in the warrant? Do LEA view themselves as God? Forgive me mother for I have sinned. I have used un-GAKd crypto in my preperations of my writings about theology.

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NEWS: Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No comment needed. >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:13:18 -0700 > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > By Klaus Prime > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. > >But travel industry participants warned that U.S. restrictions on freedom >of movement, which would require citizen units to notify law enforcment of >their travel plans and check in at police stations would merely boost >travel to foreign countries which don't have such restrictions. > >Freeh urged Congress to promote the use of a type of "position escrow" >that allows law enforcement agents to track the locations of terrorists, >child pornographers, money launderers, and other thought criminals by >using the position escrow data base. "Access to the position escrow data >base would only be by legitimate law enforcement personnel," Freeh said. > >"Law enforcement is in unanimous agreement that the widespread freedom of >criminals to move about freehly will devastate our ability to fight crime >and prevent terrorism," the FBI director testified before the Senate >Judiciary Committee. > >Freeh has spoken out numerous times against the unrestricted ability of >citizen units to move about freehly, but his remarks Wednesday focused >mainly on the threat to law enforcement efforts within the United States. > >Current laws place few restrictions on where citizen units may travel and >live, except for parolees and sex offenders, and some scholars believe >restrictions on U.S. citizens might be unconstitutional. > >Wednesday, 9 July 1997 17:45:40 >RTRS [nN09285032] >

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New Add-On Law / Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > More generally, it is legal not to speak and thus to deprive police and > prosecutors of the contents of your mind. Crypto just extends this right. Duncan, as he often does, points out a small truth which goes to the very heart of the issue of criminalizing strong encryption. Criminalizing crypto is criminalizing _private_speech_ and also _private_thought_. Mark my words, when the day comes that LEA's have the technology to read human thoughts, then we will be seeing this same debate taking place in that arena. The "legitimate needs of law enforcement" rhetoric, et al, will be drug out for the billionth time to thwart the danger that a CypherPunk might fart in the woods without an LEA recording it. Think back to the first time you read "1984" and think about what you, yourself, could _add_ to the book from your own personal knowledge and experience since that date. If we added all of the instances of "Big Brother" becoming an accepted reality of everyday life since then, the tome would rival "War and Peace" in volume and scope. If I choose to write my prayers on a word processor, in order to better organize my spiritual thoughts and be able to reference them to remember my promises to God, does the State have a right to demand I let them view those prayers, and private religious thoughts? If I use a computer to write my attorney, perhaps even outlining my activities, etc., in regard to criminal charges against me, does the State have a right to demand access to it? Am I allowed to whisper to my lawyer in court, but not to type what I want him to know on a computer screen he has in front of him in the same courtroom? Am I allowed to tell a $200/hour psychiatrist that someone made me mad enough to "kill" them in order to stay sane enough not to do so, and have it kept confidential, but be denied the right, if I am a poor person, to do the exact same thing in writing on my computer, with the help of a $4.95 paperback self-help/psychology book? Have private thoughts been "corporatized/governmentized" somehow? Are our private thoughts sacred only when shared with a recognized authority? If I share them with myself, do they become the property of the State? Am I totally out of my mind, or has life become tremendously fucking scary, and nobody but me has noticed? Sometimes I feel like the guy on the plane in the "Twilight Zone" movie, who is the only one who can see the monster on the plane's wing that is endangering everyone's life. And if you shoot at the monster nobody else can see, then they strap you down and take you to the rubber room. (Obvious analogy to McVeigh and Death Row purely unintentional.) {"Your honor, this search warrant is for the purpose of cracking the suspect's head open with a crowbar and prying his brain out so that we can poke around, in _good_faith_, I assure you, and look for evidence that pertains to a crime that may have been committed.") If you don't provide a breathalyzer sample, you are automatically guilty of drunken driving (even if the DMV License Tester is handing you a perfect score/report as the officer places you in handcuffs). I have no doubt that under future key escrow laws that your prayers to God and your letters to yourself detailing the most intimate details of your life will make you automatically guilty of tax evasion unless you allow strangers who are hostile to you (police, judges, prosecutors) to read them. Yes, and one day, even our private thoughts will be considered to automatically make us guilty criminals unless we allow LEA's access to them. (The "lie detector" is a case in point, and it has in the past come dangerously close to being afforded the same status as the breathalyzer, even though it represents "voodoo" as much as it does "science.") If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it--is it a drug trafficking tree or a child molesting tree? TruthMonger

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Routing around damage
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"? I'd be happy with an internet that interprets DAMAGE as damage and routes around it. >A minor construction accident in San Jose, California, caused >three hours of Internet slowdowns this morning, especially for >those trying to connect to and from West Coast Web sites. >Backbone Internet providers route requests and information >through about a half-dozen network access points (NAPs). >When one has a problem, it can affect the entire Internet.

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From Bad to Worse / Re: Jim Bell (FINALLY!) Charged
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > >Oregonian Friday July 11, 1997 Page B3 > > > >James D. Bell was charged Wednesday with interfearing with a federal > >officer > >and using false Social Security numbers. He has been held without > >bail in the Pierce County Jail since his May 18 arrest. > [Warning! Old, politically incorrect law school joke coming up.] > What was the biggest charge reduction in the history of plea bargaining? > That would have been the reduction from a charge of Sodomy to a charge of > Following Too Close. -- From the International Committee for the Preservation > of Politically Incorrect Law School Jokes. I was arrested for "arson." They said that if I'd turned her over, then the charge would have been "rape." My lawyer pleaded it down to "assault with a friendly weapon." (The prosecutor argued for "dangerous weapon," but I was fortunate enough to have a male judge, so the evidence didn't stand up in court when it was presented for inspection.) > >In an affidavit for the search warrant, IRS Special Investigator Jeff > >Gordon said that Bell was "directly soliciting others to set up a system > >to murder government officials" and that he had devised a plan to > >overthrow the government. > > So where are these "others" and why are they still being allowed to walk the > streets? Perhaps the others are all decent, law-abiding conspirators who planned to have Dr.Kevorkian "help" government officials and, rather than "overthowing" the government, will merely act as executors (pardon the pun) of the e$tate. > All right. You forced me. "Why do they call it the 'Reasonable Man Test'? > Because there's no such thing as a reasonable woman." (See Above) [Duck and > Cover!] Everyone knows what "Coyote Ugly" is...do you know what "Jailbird Ugly" is? It's when a woman is so ugly that her rapist is sentenced to _do_ her again--from the front. ArsonAssed "Justice is a two-edged place to put your sword." Something's wrong when I'm sodomized under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the dick grabbers is warranted: "Pull!...Pull!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Mayor Maynot | Sexual Anarchy: raincoat encryption, mm(a)got.sum 408-728-0152 | anonymous sex, digital fetishes, Zippo W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, bad reputations, sex markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black sex markets, collapse of boners. "Chastity belts aren't even hemmeroids on the anal bi-way."

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key r
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lets try that again... http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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Re: Microsoft and Netscape to Provide McCain with Options?
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mostly I'd like to know what the proposals by these loft captains of industry ARE. At 06:15 PM 7/12/97 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote: > >Alan wrote: >> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: >> >>> At 5:26 PM -0700 7/11/97, Alan Olsen wrote: >> >>>> McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to >>>> discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that >>>> could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The >>>> senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week >>>> to discuss yet another alternative. >>> >>> This is something we should watch _very_ closely! >> >> I agree. The article seemed to imply that both Microsoft and Netscape >> were falling all over each other trying to come up with gak-like >> alternatives to key recovery. I wonder what Tom Weinstien can tell us >> about that... (He has been a bit quiet lately... Too quiet.) > >When I'm quiet, it's probably because I'm busy. It's certainly not >because I was spirited off to Fort Meade by the black helicopters for >brain washing. > >Let's look at this another way. Given the opportunity to discuss your >views with a senator, whouldn't you take it? Even if there's very >little chance of changing his mind? > >We aren't going to suddenly do an about face and start saying that GAK >is good. Even if anyone here believed that, there's no way that we'd be >able to sell it to our overseas customers. > >-- >What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate| Tom Weinstein >for the novice. You must understand Tao before | tomw(a)netscape.com >transcending structure. -- The Tao of Programming | > > >

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An anonymous message dated: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:46:32 +0200 (MET DST), and signed with the initials KC, wrote: >In any case, it is not true that my intent is to "disrupt the group", >and it is hard to see how my few, offhand posts on the topic of the >tobacco agreement could be seen as anything remotely approaching a >deliberate campaign. I think you are attributing me far more potency >than is warranted. I try not to contemplate your impotence too often, Kent. >KC Damn. Kent's figured out anonymous remailers. I read this message because it came from anonymous--Kent's in my killfile. Know what this means? Anonymous remailers have more reputation capital than Kent. ReputationMunger

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