December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Cokie Roberts on How Internet Is Ruining Representative Government
by David Gilchrist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is days old, but I had to get permission to forward it. I thought it was right on the money and I haven't seen or missed any discussion on it. David Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:01:20 -0400 From: Stephen Gilchrist <sgileod(a)sprintmail.com> Reply-To: sgileod(a)sprintmail.com Organization: None References: <1.5.4.32.19970413023354.006cd1fc(a)pop.mindspring.com> The Roberts are part of the problem, perfectly representing the nauseating symbiotic relationship between journalists, politicians and the few organizations which really shape legislation. They aren't really concerned about the potential move from a representative to a direct government. . .PACs have already done that. What they're concerned about is a real opportunity to upset the status quo. This is merely an chance for those who have become effectively disenfranchised (by not belonging to a PAC) to have their views considered. The fact that this may actually help remove money from the equation and will allow more people access to a forum and answers not shaped by media reporting is probably a real threat to those who've grown comfortable and rich with the current way of doing business. No wonder they're shuddering.

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Re: Mondex
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A warning label ought to be tattooed on Timmy May's head, saying `Warning: shit content under pressure'. o/ Timmy May <| / >

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Xs4all website censored by German academic network
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GERMAN NATIONAL ACADEMIC PROVIDER BLOCKS XS4ALL WEBSITE IN THE NETHERLANDS Amsterdam, 16 april 1997 Since April 11th 1997, the dutch XS4ALL website www.xs4all.nl has been censored by Deutsches Forschungsnetz, the German academic Internet provider. This was confirmed today by Dr. Klaus-Eckart Maass, managing director of Deutsches Forschungsnetz in a press release. (http://www.dfn.de/dfn/sperrung.html) An Xs4all subscriber (http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal) publishes a magazine which is considered to be illegal in Germany. The German State Prosecutor has 'informed' Deutsches Forschungsnetz about the presence of this magazine, which has resulted in the censorship of the entire XS4ALL website. Of the 6000 homepages on the XS4ALL, only one of those contains the Radikal magazine. Other XS4ALL homepages include artists, research materials, shops, activists and other information sources like the formerly censored Serbian radiostation B92 (http://www.xs4all.nl/~opennet) and its 24hr/day radiobroadcasts on Internet. All these 6000 homepages are now unavailable to the German academic Internet community. The decision to censor the xs4all webserver because of the radikal publication will probably cause and this censored magazine to become more popular on the Net. Censoring the Internet has, in most cases, proved to be counterproductive as many Internet users mirror the information on to their own sites and start to distribute it. In September 1996, a number of German providers organised a similar block of the XS4ALL website after complaints by the State Prosecutor. This block was lifted after four weeks, but resulted in a vast mirror network. Today, there are still more than 40 mirror websites of the radikal home page around the world. These mirror-sites were placed on the Net more than six months ago. Why does Deutsches Forschungsnetz only block the xs4all webserver when the information on this website is known to have been mirrored all around the world for at least six months? XS4ALL intends to send Mr. Klaus-Eckart Maass a message informing him about these mirrorsites. In principle he should then be obliged to block these other sites where radikal nr. 154 can also be found XS4ALL has not yet received any official communication from the German justice department, nor from the Dutch justice department. Our policy is that as a provider we are not in the position to judge whether this magazine is illegal in the Netherlands, therefore we do not interfere with the liberty of speech of our user. If there's any doubt about the legality of the publication in Holland, a Dutch court of law would be the proper place to remove these doubts. Therefore our user would have to be tried by the Dutch justice-department. Relevant information: Radikal magazine - http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal/index.html Radikal mirrorlist - http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/radikal/mirror.html DFN pressrelease - http://www.dfn.de/dfn/sperrung.html Dr. Klaus-Eckart Maass - http://rigel.dfn.de/adressen/maass.html Managing Director DFN - maass(a)dfn.d400.de DFN website - http://www.dfn.de -- XS4ALL Internet BV - Felipe Rodriquez-Svensson - finger felipe(a)xs4all.nl for Managing Director - - pub pgp-key 1024/A07C02F9

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Mein Fuhrer
by null＠myemail.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SOG-TO: www(a)dfn.de SOG-CC: webmaster@xs4all.nl,radikal@dds.nl,cypherpunks@toad.com Mein Fuhrer, I am happy to see that the wall around East Berlin was torn down to prepare for the new ElectroMagnetic Curtain that is currently being built around the whole of Germany. Surely the age is past when we can expect to hold power over our citizens by enslaving their mere bodies. WE MUST CONTROLTHEIR MINDS! Please be advised that the enemies of the CyberReich are already plotting to undermine the ElectroMagnetic Curtain. Herr Gilmore calls our efforts at maintaining ElectroMagnetic purity as "damage" which others on the InterNet must "route around." Herr May seems to be questioning our right to crush all electromagnetic emanations which are generated from ethnically inferior electromagnetic sources. Herr Hughes is is producing StegoDolls with paper and plastic scissors, in an obvious attempt to subconsciously corrupt the minds of Aryan children. (These StegoDolls have suspiciously large breasts, leading me to believe that they are meant to undermine the morals of adults, as well.) There are attempts being made to put mirrors in place to begin the formation of an organization known as InterNet Free Europe, in an attempt to allow our citizens' minds to immigrate beyond the walls of the ElectroMagnetic Curtain. However, our Western Allies are even now taking steps to seize control over the InterNet Domain registration system, placing it in the capable hands of the FCC. With these efforts and the ones being made to route technological development into increasingly narrow channels, we should be able to keep control of bandwidth in the hands of those with interests similar to our own. There should be no reason that we cannot control the citizens by a combination of 'shortages' of bandwidth, strict laws limiting the use of bandwidth to 'pure' purposes, and regulations which allow us to control the nature of encryption programs so that we can ferret out those who attempt to "route around" our control mechanisms. We must also take steps to limit our citizen's access to the dangerous materials contained in "The True Story of the InterNet." The following URL should be blocked immediately, as it contains pointers to "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" and "WebWorld ************************************************************************ This Anonymous email has been relayed by http://www.MyEmail.net/ MyEmail.Net is a free anonymous mailing service. No records indicating the identity of person(s) who originated this message are retrieved electronically, or as a requirement to submit. Your email address can be blocked to prevent further contact from this service, please refer to the URL above for instructions on how to do so. ************************************************************************

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Shocked e-mail
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In> SHOCKWAVE Security BUG EXPOSES E-MAIL In> ----------------------------------------- In> Comet Hale-Bopp must be a portent of Web security disasters. This site In> details the next one - if you are running Netscape with the insanely In> popular Shockwave plug-in on any platform, the bad guys can read your In> e-mail folders. In addition, no matter which browser you are running, In> your corporate intranet could be vulnerable even if located behind In> a firewall. Fortunately, a security fis available. In> Problem:-http://www.webcomics.com/shockwave/ In> Fix:-http://www.macromedia.com/shockzone/info/security.html In> Enjoy it, See you soon. In> Arun Tripathi Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... Link in support of Free Speech: http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM1VuJjltEBIEF0MBAQFt3gf/acKyaf813olMN334Q/83sWpbIoOjXWWJ q5PkyqFgAI2oTyUUXQIX/KugWxXhq0uyjJq+a9fLn9RKJQ3eVcm+Lccn+1k/EmSv hC68LfS+YMS+cGnU/VA9GYlk94Sf/PcQA5fk3wI21DUd4xjxR1EnZ+1TW8U1NbcU 3j3/T5MEFP4FymgACozCk0lY8MMBEtGcReYHJICHP4/tgW8z18/7lzegl0wNP0F6 eS1bVwf7ub+sIsnXvD0Mqvyb1f0KUFqJOBbqKA6LJtm7dcHAIWzpl/k05Ekl5xRc 1YBnkFbjQspsBSsULwVWS7eEQ43IpU0UC21Qwp5UZ7DYlMad7bjUQA== =IHkF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: Digi-Cash IPO! $1.60 per share ( remove )
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > i think that advertiser funded digital cash was first described > by dr dimitri vulis kotm, in his recent post to cypherpunks. > > too bad he did not patent it. Patents and copyrights violate true free speech. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: 2nd RFD: sci.chem.organic.synthesis moderated
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Koen Van Aken (cheakv(a)panther.gsu.edu) wrote in <861165888.2842(a)isc.org>: * * At the end of each article, a full name and e-mail address is * mandatory. Listing of position and association is optional but * strongly encouraged. ... snip ... * CHARTER: sci.chem.organic.synthesis * This proposal is pro moderation to filter out unwanted (see not * permitted postings) and 'anonymous' (see signature policy) messages. * Although there are some disadvantages associated with moderated * groups - some people compare it with censorship and it slows down * the discussion - , sci.* groups have been plagued before with off- * topic discussions which eventually turned users away. I fail to see any reason why you need to filter out "anonymous" email. I think that restricting anonymous email goes a long way against ability to discuss important issues in general. I find it overly restrictive and unwarranted. Your explanation as to why you find it necessary to exclude anonymous postings from your particular newsgroup will be much appreciated. igor

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Re: Neo-Nazis indict Compuserve official
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > increased monitoring of lists like this, Germany may place my name on a > list of those to be arrested if they enter Germany. Or, as the recent case > of a publisher of Neo-Nazi materials in the U.S. showed, for detention and > subsequent extradition to Germany upon entry into any European Union > nation. In fact, I'll bet that Black Unicorn is on such a list; if they can > figure out what his real name is, and if he strays into EU territory....)) Yikes! We better not post it to this mailing list, then. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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NEW: fpi - Freedom Press International
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:02:20 -0500 Reply-To: Freedom Press <freedom(a)tao.ca> Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements <NEW-LIST(a)LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> From: Freedom Press <freedom(a)tao.ca> Subject: NEW: fpi - Freedom Press International To: NEW-LIST(a)LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU fpi on majordomo(a)tao.ca Freedom Press FREEDOM PRESS is the world's oldest anarchist publishing group (founded in 1886). We have therefore an extensive and growing archive of material. Further information about us will be incorporated into messages on the list. Messages on the list come from FREEDOM PRESS and will consist of extracts from our publications with an emphasis on news. You should expect to receive in the region of 2 or 3 messages per month. To subscribe to fpi, send the following command: subscribe fpi to majordomo(a)tao.ca Owner: Freedom Press freedom(a)tao.ca ------- Use this information at your own risk. For more information and disclaimer send E-mail to LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU with the command INFO NEW-LIST in the body. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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InterNet Free Terra
by null＠myemail.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Web page named "InterNet Free Terra" can be accessed at the URL: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/ It has been set up in order to provide URL pointers to Mirrors of Web sites which have been subjected to censorship by governmental authorities. Its first category is "InterNet Free Europe" and the first entry is a list of Mirror sites for the Radikal Web site. Anyone who wishes to have Mirror site pointers added for other government censored Web sites may send mailto:carljohn@sk.sympatico.ca Those submitting Mirror site pointers may want to include pointers to information and/or press releases regarding the date and details of the censorship action, as there are plans to include access to these details, as well as to the pointers themselves. ************************************************************************ This Anonymous email has been relayed by http://www.MyEmail.net/ MyEmail.Net is a free anonymous mailing service. No records indicating the identity of person(s) who originated this message are retrieved electronically, or as a requirement to submit. Your email address can be blocked to prevent further contact from this service, please refer to the URL above for instructions on how to do so. ************************************************************************

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Son of Flubber
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From wired.com newstory on McVeigh: Another juror said she thought the building that was bombed was the "Fred MacMurray Building." Fred MacMurray was an actor perhaps best known for his role as a father in the 1960s TV series "My Three Sons." And Capt. Buttons thought his A-10 could reach Denver because it was running on Flubber. I wonder if perhaps Capt. Buttons wasn't perhaps involved in an AP scheme wherein various military personnel can win big bucks by guessing the date of the bombing of the Federal Building in Denver. Oh, I forgot...he just headed for Denver with a planeload of bombs for no apparent reason. We wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions just because it was at the beginning of the trial of a military terrorist. It's not like the military harbors militaristic types, or anything. It's not like anyone hosting Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" on their system has close ties to the Davis-Monathan airbase in Tucson. It's not like Dave Foreman of Earth First was involved in monkey- wrenching with airmen in Tucson. It's not like airmen from Tucson trade landmines for dope in Arivaca, south of Tucson. Nope, they're all too busy eating mom's apple pie and singing "God Bless America" to do any of those things. And when one of them goes off on a bombing run and heads for the site of the Oklahoma City bombing trial, well, it's just one of life's little mysteries. Of course, the government isn't nervous about the loyalty of their own military personnel. That certainly couldn't have anything to do with them clamping down so hard on the release of details of the trial. TruthBomber

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NIST Joins CommerceNet...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ah... Don't you just love sunshine laws? Notice they effectively call CommerceNet "the only" "consortium which develops and maintains an Internet-based infrastructure for electronic commerce". Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:41:48 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: <other people>, rah(a)shipwright.com From: Somebody Subject: [Commerce Business Daily: Posted April 15, 1997] >From the Commerce Business Daily Online via GPO Access [cbdnet.access.gpo.gov] PART: U.S. GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENTS SUBPART: SERVICES CLASSCOD: D--Information Technology Services, including Telecommunication Services OFFADD: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Acquisition & Assistance Div., Bldg. 301, Rm B117, Gaithersburg, MD 20899 SUBJECT: D--MEMBERSHIP IN A CONSORTIUM WHOSE MISSION IS TO CONDUCT GROWTH IN INTERNET-BASED ELECTRONIC COMMERCE. SOL 53SBNB760110 DUE 043097 POC Trena N. Bercaw (301) 975-6324// Fax (301) 963-7732 DESC: The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has a requirement to become a member of an existing consortium which develops and maintains an Internet-based infrastructure for electronic commerce. NIST requires interaction between industry leaders, in the research and development of a next generation infrastructure for electronic commerce. The consortium shall be able to accelerate Internet-based electronic commerce by identifying and working to resolve key industry issues, providing a global, multi-industry forum for collaboration, and serving as an advocate through public policy and education. This membership shall be for a period of one (1) year. It is the intent of the Government to negotiate with CommerceNet, of Palo Alto, California, under 41 U.S.C. 253 (c)(1), as the only responsible source able to fulfil the requirement of this agency. No solicitation package is available. Inquiries may be faxed to (301) 963-7732. See Numbered Note 22 and 26. LINKURL: http://www.nist.gov/admin/od/contract/contract.htm LINKDESC: NIST Contracts Homepage EMAILADD: Contract(a)nist.gov EMAILDESC: NIST Contracts Office CITE: (W-105 SN062439) All rights reserved. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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[privacy] a junk email tracer [crypto]
by VaX#n8 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a little idea that I'll throw out to the sharks. You've probably heard of people who alter their name/address slightly when applying for credit cards, etc., so that they know when their name has been sold on a list, and by whom. Well I say, "why not with email?" Consider a hack to sendmail (or whatever MDA you have) which attempts to locate the email address given in a list of distributed email addresses. For example, vax01.na put on web page vaxu53lr sent to correspondent foo(a)bar.com vaxbl15. put on business cards etc. Where crypto comes in: You could actually have the tagged field be the encoded encryption of the data on the right. You'd still probably want a list to weed out bogus addresses that decrypt to nonsense. Or you could use encryption to embed a tag marking it as "good" -- a checksum, fingerprint, signature, whatever. With an adequate MUA, you could even have it pull up the associated description with the email as an X-source field or something. I may not have time to implement this, which is why I threw it out here. If you do implement it, be nice and put my email/web ptr somewhere in the credits. And send me a copy; I hate junk email. CC me in your comments; this list is too voluminous. Sorry about the long sig but the quote is appropriate. -- VaX#n8 | http://www.paranoia.com/~vax | League of Non-aligned Wizards ``In the meantime, there may be a role for individuals who know their way around the place. A few hacks can make a lot of difference in this situation. A freelance hacker could get a lot of shit done, years before the giant software factories bestir themselves to deal with the problem.'' -- Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash

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Don't Wait Act Now
by COMPUTER.SOLUTIONS＠SWBELL.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet.I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this.AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December,I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received,in my opinion,were not cost effective.They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed i'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program.I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list.THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly,I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON.It could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt.After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out,I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER,I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line.The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program,only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn off,but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone,no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email extracting and mass mail program @ http://microsyssolutions.com/raf/ Another more advanced one can be found at: http://www.extractor.com/ads.html In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT#1 By January 13th,I had received 26 orders for REPORT#1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program,you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT#1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS.IF YOU DON'T SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO! "My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT#2.If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS.IF NOT,SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY,RELAX,YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL"Well,I had 196 orders for REPORT#2 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By march 19th, of my emailing of 10,000,I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car.Please take time to read the attached program,IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember,it won't work if you don't try it.This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in different place. It doesn't work,you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this.Always follows the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1,and 100 or more orders for REPORTS #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'M sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate,follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was,or you want to start your own business,consider this a sign.I DID! Sincerely, Richard Gross P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills(58,000)look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before.I threw it aways,but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course,I had no idea who to contact to get a copy,so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program.Eleven months passed,hen it came.I DIDN'T throw this one aways.I made $41,000 on the first try Dawn W., Evansville,IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me,'remember,Alan,there is no free lunch in life.You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a some what slow frustrating start, Ifinally figured it out The program works very well,I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to.So far this year,I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very pround of me." Alan b., Philadelphia,PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OR THIS PROGRAM By the time to read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports,you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself.I had a profitable business for ten years.Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me,but it wasn't working. Finally,I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing.Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest,were moving down into the ranks of the poor.As the saying goes,"THE RICH GET TRICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER"The traditionalmethods of making money will never allow you to " move up" or "get rich",inflation will see to that. Youhave just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life,with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. Bythe spring, we wish to market the 'internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.Do not change it in any way. Itworks exceedingly well as it is now.Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of.One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them!.Remember though,the more you send out,the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend,I have given you the ideas,infomation,materials and opportunity to become financially independent,IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox,as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate.Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate,you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested.Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in.IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh,NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes,and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% responce.Using a good list the response could be much better.Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000.But continuing with this example, you send out 2,000 programs.With a 5% response,that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1.Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2.Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000.The .5% response tothat is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3.Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total.The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4.That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + 50,000 for a total of 55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND,THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000.Believe me,many people will do that and more!By the way,your cost to participate in this practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work,and best of all you never have to leave the house except to get the mail.If you believe that someday you"ll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true.This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME.Email is the sales tool of the future.Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait,the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.It is being taught in the Harvard Business School,and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's.This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US,20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing INSTRUCTIONS We at Erris Mail Order Marketing Business, have a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the next 20 to 90 days.Before you say "BULL",please read the program carefully. This is not a chain letter,but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business,we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi- level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL,so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: step (1) Order all four REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER.Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four names listed on the next page.For each REPORT,send $5 CASH and a SELF- ADDRESSED,STAMPED envelope (business size #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage.It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from.You will need ALL FOUR REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. step (2) Replace the name and address under report #1 with yours,moving the one that was there down to REPORT#2. Drop the name and address under REPORT#2 to REPORT#3, moveing the one that was there to REPORT#4. The name and address that where under REPORT#4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this,make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list,save it as a text(.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like.Again,REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. step(4) Email a copy of the entire program(all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hand on.Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now,more than ever.Then,email to anybody and everyone !Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing list.These are very cheap,100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list,so always request a FRESH,NEW list.You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four REPORT. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED,STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER ------------------------------------------------- REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Computer Solutions PO Box 520851 Independence,Mo 64052 ------------------------------------------------- REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Aaron Gross 5631 e 40 hwy lot #51 Kansas City, Mo 64128 ------------------------------------------------- REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Richard Gross Jr 3308 S Emery Independence, Mo 64055 ------------------------------------------------- REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM LaChance Information System PO BOX 308 Placida,FL 33946-0308 ------------------------------------------------- CONCLUSION .I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too,will be making money in 20 to 90 days,if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before.Go into business,get into investments, retire or take a vacation.No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However,very few people reach financial independence,because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it.It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer.Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and information reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email.I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters,asking you to send money, on faith , but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal,but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people.After they purchase the product from you,they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material the PRODUCT is a series of four FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding,but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORT,which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program.The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and good luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am,I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland,Lansing,MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws.Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. NAME YOUR NEW COMPANY.YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN NAME IF YOU DESIRE. 2. GET A POST OFFICE BOX (PREFERRED) 3. EDIT THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES ON THE PROGRAM.YOU MUST REMEMBER, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS GO NEXT TO REPORT#1 AND THE OTHERS ALL MOVE DOWN ONE,WITH THE FOURTH ONE BEING BUMPED OFF THE LIST. 4. OBTAIN AS MANY EMAIL ADDRESSES AS POSSIBLE TO SEND UNTIL YOU RECEIVE THE INFORMATION ON MAILING LIST COMPANIES IN REPORT #3 5. DECIDE ON THE NUMBER OF PROGRAM YOU INTEND TO SEND OUT.THE MORE YOU SEND,AND THE QUICKER YOU SEND THEM,THE MORE MONEY YOY WILL MAKE 6. AFTER MAILING THE PROGRAMS,GET READY TO FILL THE ORDERS 7. COPY THE FOUR REPORTS SO YOU ARE ABLE TO SENT THEM OUT AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE AN ORDER.IMPORTANT:ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. MAKE CERTAIN THE LETTER AND REPORTS ARE NEAT AND LEGIBLE. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this:you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. Ths is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do.Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2,if you don't,send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2,(take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000.Mathematically it is a proven guarantee . Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal.Also remember, every time you name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT,so you can keep of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you.IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!!

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HOW TO TURN THE WORLD WIDE WEB INTO A MONEY MACHINE
by noem＠internet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"><FONT COLOR="#00FFFF" SIZE=3> HOW TO TURN THE WORLD WIDE WEB INTO A MONEY MACHINE As a computer owner you have Web Wealth at your fingertips... In a few short years virtually every business will be on the Web ... Don't be left behind... Experts predict that 95 percent of Americans will be on the Internet within 15 years (about where television is today) Dr. Jeffrey Lant, the author of 14 best selling business books, tells you everything you need to know to make Really Big Money on Your Web Site... His NEW book, "Web Wealth" is a fact - filled goldmine of marketing information... If your serious about making money on the Web, this 248 - page power packed book is an absolute necessity... Dr. Lant tells you: *Why almost every business will be on the Web *Why you can't afford to NOT be on the Web *Why you must be associated with and Internet Mall *Why setting up a solo home page makes no sense at all *Why treating a Web Site like a standard print ad is a big mistake *Why the secrets of netvertising generates maximum traffic & results *How to promote your Web Site within the internet *How to promote your Web Site off the Internet *How to build your business with Facts-On-Demand technology *How you can profit from the Internet, even if your running a local service business *How you can profit if your in network marketing *How publications can forget big price increases in paper, production and postage, and make huge profits on the web This MUST-HAVE 8x10 248 page book is a steal at only $27.95 (this price includes shipping & handling). 10 day money back guarantee. If you are not completely satisfied return the book within 10 days any your money will be returned in full. Send your order TODAY... simply write "Web Wealth" with your name and address on a sheet of paper... Send your check for only $27.95 NOW and take the high road to Web Wealth on the information superhighway... Send your order to: Mail House Publishing 403 Nasa Road 1 East Suite 210 / Dept WW21 Houston, Texas 77598 </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3>

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Re: "Show me an example o
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:shamrock@netcom.com to Harka <=- In> The recent issue of Radikal, the publication that caused xs4all to be In> blocked by the German government, contains an article on using PGP to In> secure the internal communications of the German leftist group issuing In> the publication. Radikal also contains an article on sabotaging the In> German rail system. The latter, sabotaging the railway, is actually the thing, they're going off about. That is information considered illegal, since it advocates violence and criminal acts. One of the leaders of the Party for Democratic Socialism, Angela Marquardt, was indicted under the same background for putting a link on her homepage to http://www.xs4all/~radikal/. The argumentation of the proscecutors was, that she personally by putting a link to that magazin (article) was promoting such violent acts. Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... The Internet recognizes censorship as damage...and routes around it. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM1aSSjltEBIEF0MBAQGR+gf/RW6ACw2ULNQhjT+0kUw2A2EEvD+/s1UJ igVK63VyUdpRiCxKBmAcrbNtDZQ4mxruFsIvVNOG8MtRJT2h3sdCDdk1A6ez4008 Vx+ZL76lrf/x7ESN0/GXw7oAiUY55+sigKgc5mm09JZAb2gXugQ+tCPi6VTNXWcH 0zwEAENDxFj++rgdJ8/yJEOHw67/IP9J+fPo9/3pEk8GEY7awh90JblV17ec5h/a Og2iHG1ocZ2p6RH57AHqHHxPvdUcyidXIXBYOQncxj+8GXNkL+Mdjx/MYbrlAuPp fSJMVySMTglghcj4Svrw3z63L/cbkQxZu5iCPsxtA0vkaPG8OdqsZg== =WLao -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Germany in the News
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: The Economist <null(a)postbox.co.uk> Subject: Politics This Week (April 11th - April 17th 1997) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:09:01 +0100 [snip] Iranians demonstrated against a German court's verdict that found their leaders guilty of ordering the murder of Kurdish dissidents. Some 3,000 veterans of the war with Iraq, disabled by chemical gas, called for justice against German firms that sold it to Iraq. [snip] ************************************************************************* This is a free newsletter published by The Economist newspaper. To find out where best to direct queries to The Economist, send a blank e-mail message to help(a)economist.com To cancel your subscription, send an e-mail with the message "leave economist-politics" to newscaster(a)postbox.co.uk To start receiving Politics This Week, send an e-mail with the message "join economist-politics" to newscaster(a)postbox.co.uk Alternatively, you can cancel your subscription (or subscribe at any time)by visiting http://www.economist.com/mailing/

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A new system for anonymity on the web
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We are developing a new system called "Crowds" for achieving anonymity on the web. A preliminary description of the system can be found on our web pages. Any comments/criticisms are welcomed and appreciated. Mike Reiter (http://www.research.att.com/~reiter/) Avi Rubin (http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/)

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InterNet Free Terra
by InterNet Free Terra 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Meet-in-the-middle attack
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Maya studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). /\ __/__\__ | 00 | Tim Maya |: \ :| | \_/| \__/

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Re: Meet-in-the-middle attack
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto Homo studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). /\ __/__\__ | 00 | Tot[hom]o |: \ :| | \_/| \__/

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Plain Text / InterNet Free Terra
by InterNet Free Terra 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

InterNet Free Terra Beyond the ElectroMagnetic Curtain "The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it" John Gilmore Freedom Mirrors of Censored Sites InterNet Free Europe Radikal InterNet Free China Famous Blocked Websites (Proxy Server) "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." Timothy C. May ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Provide Information About Mirrors Of Other Censored Sites carljohn(a)sk.sympatico.ca The Final Frontier http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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Re: Son of Flubber
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > At 3:51 AM -0800 4/17/97, TruthBomber wrote: > > Of course, the government isn't nervous about the loyalty of > >their own military personnel. That certainly couldn't have > >anything to do with them clamping down so hard on the release > >of details of the trial. > > Or why NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and Falcon AFB, > both also in Colorado, have been placed on special alert. Military flights > near both sites have been sharply limited, and visitors are being screened > with more attention. > > Avoid soft targets on April 19th, Saturday. Capt. Button's A-10 changed course for an approach toward Vail/Denver and then turned around briefly, before resuming its approach pattern. While this raises the scary prospect that his warplane was intercepted and had to take evasive action, thereafter being shot down, what about an equally scary scenario: Perhaps he turned around in order to adjust his *landing* approach. If I was NORAD, I'd be checking the local bars and construction companies around Vail, trying to find out if anyone has built any unusually large parking garages next to an open field. It's an open secret that McVeigh timed the bombing to coincide with the execution of a fellow militant from the Elohim City cabal. Who says mad bombers aren't sentimental? Perhaps the missing warplane will surface on April 19, dropping bombs on Denver, and trailing a banner reading, "Happy Anniversary." TruthBomber

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Re: "Get out of Denver"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > > > It's an open secret that McVeigh timed the bombing to coincide > >with the execution of a fellow militant from the Elohim City > >cabal. Who says mad bombers aren't sentimental? > > There are _several_ anniversaries that day. I dispute your notion that you > know which of them was the bombers' main motivation. Here are some of the > main anniversaries; > * Waco roast (and McVeigh has written much about Waco, and was there for > the first anniversary, in '94) > * the execution you mentioned> > * a major raid in Arkansas 10 years earlier > * the battle of Lexington, in which the British attempted to disarm a > civilian militia You are certainly correct about McVeigh's main focus of discontent being the Great Texas Barbecue in Wacko, but his choice of targets was the same one Richard Snell had targeted. As MediaFilter reported: The March edition of Taking Aim, the newsletter of the Militia of Montana, issued a call to arms for April 19, the day of the Oklahoma blast: "If this day does not ring a bell for you then maybe this will jog your memory. 1. April 19, 1775: Lexington burned. 2. April 19, 1943: Warsaw burned. 3. April 19, 1992: The feds attempted to raid Randy Weaver... 4. April 19, 1993: The Branch Davidians burned. 5. April 19, 1995: Richard Snell will be executed_unless we act now!!!" Federal prosecutors in (Richard Snell's) the '88 trial claimed that the '83 plot_which included counterfeiting, armed robberies and plans to assassinate federal judges and the Arkansas FBI chief_was to begin with the detonation of a truck bomb at the Oklahoma City Federal Building. All of the defendants were acquitted. But that very same building would be blown up by a truck bomb on the very day of Richard Snell's execution. Snell died knowing of the explosion. His last words were a warning to Arkansas Governor Guy Tucker: "Look over your shoulder, justice is on the way..." The Feds are well aware of the significance of launching their offensives against the militia on certain dates, sending deliberate messages to them by doing so, and the setting of Snell's execution date for April 19 was no coincidence. When the Feds pre-date search warrants and other documents (proclaiming to judges that it is needed to protect informants and sources), they often use signifigant dates and times, like the 9:02 of the OKC bombing (as in Jim Bell's search warrant). If you draw a chart co-relating the militia's actions with the Fed's actions, you get a picture somewhat similar to the truces in the Civil War, among others, where the soldiers would come out of the trenches to exchange goods and pleasantries, before digging in once again to resume their warring. Perhaps after the trial is over (if it gets that far), we will see a TV ad where the Feds and the militia get together in a bar afterward, and a theme of, "Now comes Miller time." > (And Hitler's birthday is the next day.) Adolf Hilter's birthday is annually celebrated with a barbecue by David Duke and friends. (No wonder the Feds burned Waco on the 19th. They had another barbeque to attend the following day.) And how does all of this relate to cryptography? Glad you asked. MediaFilter continues: However, in 1995, the Clinton administration is conveniently using the Militia to justify beefing up the federal police state apparatus. Also watch out for the pending Communications Decency Act and Orwellian_named Electronic Communications Privacy Act, which would make censorship and surveillance the rule in cyberspace. Perhaps at an upcoming cypherpunks physical meeting the milita could be invited and the theme could be "Trading Guns for Crypto." (It would have to be arranged quietly, however, so as not to draw too much attention. Perhaps if the arrangements were limited to discussion only on the cypherpunks list...) TruthBomber

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Re: Son of Flubber
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > At 02:50 PM 4/17/97 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote: > >I note that on the network news this morning an AF spokesman very > >painstakingly assured his questioner that there was absolutely no > >evidence of any kind that the missing pilot had any connection > >whatsoever with any militia groups. > > Neither did Tim McVeigh. He went to a militia meeting once. They told him > to get lost and never come back. In fact, the only common thread amongst > the Oklahoma City bombing suspects seems to be their (past?) service in the > US military. Come to think of it, that's one thing they have in common with > the missing bomber pilot. >From MediaFilter: In October 1992, two months after the Weaver surrender, Pete Peters, a Christian Identity minister in Colorado, called a meeting of some 175 radical right leaders. Among those in attendance were Aryan Nations ambassador Louis Beam and his lawyer, Kirk Lyons of North Carolina. Also in attendance was former Virginia legislator and Gun Owners of America leader Larry Pratt, who advocated "armed militia units" like those in Central America. Beam presented a paper to the meeting called "Leaderless Resistance", which called for small autonomous cells united by ideology but acting independently. This became the model for the Militia movement_and perhaps for Timothy McVeigh and his co_conspirators. Perhaps the great outcrys of "Timothy who?" that came from many parts of the militia were similar to the similar cries of "Jim who?" after Jim Bell's troubles. TruthWho?

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