December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: whine politics again
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monique Lamont wrote: > on the subject of wine-importing restrictions in florida: > tcmay wrote: > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > thing. > > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > that. > it's illegal to ship wine to floridans now, so therefore it is okay > to execute the responsible officials and blow up innocents. > > HELLO PEOPLE! buy a clue from the Discount Clue Store, and > while you are out, stop by the Jiffy Lube and get your > common human decency refilled. > alice0 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- aliceO wants the innocents to live so that she can spam them to death from her account at hotmail.com. They're better off dying quick and painlessly... SpamMonger

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:14 5/11/97 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >I bet the NCSA folks are kicking themselves for missing the opportunity >to have Jim Bell speak at InfoWarCon 96 :-) Hey, there's always 1997! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Announcing: a new John Wiley book on Web Security
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing: The Web Security Sourcebook (John Wiley & Sons, Inc.) by Avi Rubin, Dan Geer, Marcus Ranum foreward by Steve Bellovin A new book on all aspects of web security. More information can be found at http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Research Labs 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809

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Re: Dr. Vulis
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 09:55:34 1997 > Dimi (Closet Homo) isa pimply old dweeb sitting at a Xenix 286 > computer masturbating at his own imagined cleverness. > This is the down side to anonymous remailers.. I think if you don't have the balls to say something, don't say it. Obviously, someone is saying something they don't wan't other people to think they think.. I am, obviously, tired of adding filters to my mailbox. Please knock off this bullshit. I think whoever posted this is a pimply young asshole sitting on a c64 attempting to masturbate himself but can't find a microscope with high enough magnification. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3hy1qAC4xvMjGa1AQHocQf/Spz1KiQluhmediPl0Z8L7RwmJIbIW85+ 0hmYBAyhodH78oZHr3JKtiqFExjX68jlQDUDWqiJetnmU2ywyncW0RcjwuNigM4C LYBRhTK1lxcMO1pkl9E8K4KF4UW/zRbkgfkCczVJHpeTkjTu7MuHKVxkeguugANt iUQCTl8+eu5uHBt1GzrwBUwOgDZoOGtt+rFacBoBBbP8cXvibMZBn73BS/pEmApL qY3OScaqz9CQ554m5fysA64zoI8wt4Y8pPtnz6lcv7l01yMJCH6I5FUOARHpe2YP TObQL+c2QlRVkjpP7MJj7VtC2n7W5pD4G+Aj8qV+166WZHjT5jlQ8w== =WZ6c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PGP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given Timmy C[retin] May's propensity to molest little children, is it any surprise that the state of California wants to have him castrated? ,,, (o-o) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[retin] May

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

frissell(a)panix.com wrote: >But Blanc,what if "It Takes A Village to Raise a Child" and the village is trying to raise my child against my will. In that case, the only way to handle things is to destroy the village. Not to save it,but to save my child. > >Think about it. ...................................................... Well, I thought about it, while the list was on vacation. You're right, Duncan. Where should we start? Truthfully, I don't think you've stockpiled any explosives to use for such an act, and even if you had, I don't believe you would use them. You'd have to pay someone else to do the deed, and even so you'd probably start reflecting on all those other people's itty bitty children who would have to lose their lives in that total destruction, and chicken out. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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VideoWorld Justice
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From "Video Justice" TV show: "The video camera has evolved from passive observer to active participant" (in the war on crime). Golly gee, government wants to use video cameras to monitor citizens everywhere, all the time, and now we have a primetime TV show dedicated to convincing the citizens that the surveillance camera is their best friend. What a coincidence! With a dozen TV shows already championing law enforcement personnel with neatly pressed uniforms saving the citizens from bad guys wearing T-shirts, its refreshing to see fresh propaganda which informs us that surveillance technology is our new best friend. It was so enlightening to hear criminologists and prosecutors praise the emotional charge generated by seeing perpetrators "laugh" as they "terrorized" people by shooting them with paintball guns resulting in their receiving four years in prison instead of the one year that the prosecutor expected. ( 4 perps x 4 years x $65,000/year = > $ 1,000,000.00 of taxpayer money spent to incarcerate people who splatter someone with paint and laugh about it. If Tim May owns a paintball gun, then I guess that he can add to his list of potential felonies.) We also learn that surveillance cameras are "Invaluable weapons of enforcement in government stings" and that "The evidence they provide is incontestable." It sounds like we will no longer need judges and juries once the citizens are fully monitored. We are told that John Law is protected from claims of entrapment by the irrefutable evidence provided by their video taping of the government sting. Naturally, we only see a selective two minute tape of the entire operation. No video/sound recording of the setup of the victim/criminal is shown. There was no video shown of police brutality (ala Rodney King) and no questioning of why the technology is only geared toward showing what goes on in front of the camera, leaving the citizen unprotected once the officer takes him or her out its visual range. (Of course, any deviation from the "Sainthood of Authority" script would result in the show's producers losing access to the cheap source of their video propaganda.) Where is the legislation being put forth to require law enforcement personnel under video surveillance to prevent them from engaging in crimes against the citizens? Harassing them, beating them, becoming the source of crack flowing into their neighborhoods, spending hours and days manipulating them into a two-minute video scene which is staged to provide "incontestable evidence" of their guilt. Video cameras are commonplace to watch the citizens in banks in case someone tries to "steal" a few hundred or a few thousand dollars. Where are the video cameras that watch the bankers in order to provide evidence of their possible criminal actions? Video surveillance technology is the same old story. Provide a few emotionally charged scenes to scare the citizens, offer them a form of "protection" and then institute the technology in a one-way vector which points only at those on the bottom of the food chain. Same technological shit, different day. TruthMonger

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ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications > <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >From: "Abramson, Ron" <abramson(a)HUGHESHUBBARD.COM> >Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City > >Cryptography Forum >May 22, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. >Association of the Bar of the City of New York >22 West 44th Street, New York City > >Interested persons are invited to attend. No fee or >reservation is required. > >TITLE OF PROGRAM: >Guns, Ammunition and Cryptography: Is the Government's >Policy on Digital Encryption Creating a Crisis? > >A moderated panel will discuss issues raised by the >Government's policy on cryptography. > >MODERATOR: >Charles R. Nesson, Professor, Harvard Law School > >PANELISTS: >Jim Bidzos >President and CEO, RSA Data Security, Inc. > >Scott Charney >Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice > >Kenneth W. Dam >Professor, University of Chicago Law School; Chair, >National Research Council Committee to Study National >Cryptography Policy > >Dorothy E. Denning >Professor, Computer Science Department, Georgetown >University > >David J. Farber >Professor, Computer and Information Science and Electrical >Engineering Departments, University of Pennsylvania > >Marc Rotenberg >Director, Electronic Privacy Information Center > >Sponsored by the Committees on Computer Law, Civil Rights, >Science and the Law, and Symposia, of the Association of >the Bar of the City of New York > >For additional information, e-mail jzammit(a)fulbright.com or >dcohen(a)bway.net > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >Ah. A 90's version of Freddy Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", maybe? >A turn-of-the-new-century Phabian Society needs a Stalin to make it's >dreams reality? > >Be careful what you wish for, ladies and germs... ............................................................. Well, now, what exactly do you mean? How does this relate to bombing a village, with all its communists & captives, out of existence? .. Blanc .. Blanc

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Re: `careerpunks'
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. People go through life changes and often try on different types of attire/lifestyles at various points along their time-line. Hopefully, they gather a few viewpoints and ideals along the way which will stay with them throughout the outward changes in their interests and directions in life. Doubtlessly, the cypherpunks list has sown many seeds of free thought which are growing in different ways throughout the cryptography industry. If enough of these seeds have sprouted successfully then there us always the possibility that the discussions on this list will play a part in a modicum of free thought being a part of the process by which future corporate decisions are made. Once one's consciousness (and conscience) has been exposed to a variety of viewpoints and influences it is harder to dismiss the views of others out-of-hand. Immersing oneself in a narrower technological arena of crypto interest such as is provided on the coderpunks and cryptography list is no doubt beneficial to increased crypto-technical expertise. For those who choose to retain their soul in the process, the cypherpunks list serves as an island of anarchy in which the tendency to merge into corporate robot- icism can be countered. TruthMonger

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by announce＠lists.zdnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DARPA & Networking
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- May be of interest: == Forwarded Message Follows ======================================= From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The DARPA site http://www.arpa.mil/ DARPA is the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency. We all know that DARPA initiated in the late 60's project ARPA, which was omne of the current internet's roots. If we want to read more about DARPA, its projects, mission statements history etc etc this is your site. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 97 09:20:19 -0000 (B+2) From: Amnon Till <amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il> To: gsunet-l(a)bgu.edu Subject: The future of Networking Technologies for learning http://www.ed.gov/Technology/Futures/ This site was put by the US Dept. of Edu. office of Edu. Technology. It is a series of papers & workshops dealing with the subject of the futuristic use of networking in education written by several experts in this area. Bye Amnon amnont(a)beitberl.beitberl.ac.il ====================================================================== Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... "Use a cipher - be free!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM3gGATltEBIEF0MBAQEa4Af9HXJw5SJGOTTlsUMWiSOyAy5dFPL+bFoY RBvkR2wG4Cj5S17abX4+JFHpHa0bZGrnAUCeFKPfA60D3lo3iWtYMJZriET2qeSX FjJdIkY+jMo8FIi/KQ62YC03vQr7Gk1cwQbFMq5A5yKh6gXLlDoilXnCG9PrtWKb uI5Bhzxl4/cxhFFyEdmFvFOXdhw+gjKzkbghIFgHyUbgvFitk/w8bBatApsdamAn qtBontHoPBavDykixeJgJt2W/bOM6VHmHoCy7e2zIGqqCO5/+45gHO7lwAFEpANd Hv0sQzR6XFugJY/TAcWgDWfczjg5QsDhq5rWcfI5pVtLydiOxBM7fA== =i+Qz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: `careerpunks'
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. I disagree with your analysis. I'm working for a number of large companies as a consultant. At each of them, I think I've done things that substantially imrpove customer privacy. At one, I may have sold them on role certificates "This certifies that the bearer can access account 345567734545435." As opposed to "This is John Smith." I think thats a huge win for privacy advocates, and hey, it saves them work and money to do it this way. I could not have convinced these people by posting to cypherpunks. Selling your services does not involve selling out. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Copy of: UK TTP Paper - For Your Information
by Hodge Podge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 12 May 1997 Theodor.SCHLICKMANN(a)BXL.DG13.cec.be wrote: > As further discussed in the answer to question 4, we can > confirm that we do not propose that the user be required to escrow his > private signature key (however generated) with a TTP. [snip] > If, however, the TTP either generates the > confidentiality key pair for a user, or, for example, certifies a > self-generated public key for confidentiality, then escrow of the > associated private key would be required under our proposals. This doesn't make much sense to me. If I were to use such a UTP[*] then I'd simply get my signature key authenticated and then use that to sign all my encryption keys rather than getting the UTP to sign them. So I'd get the benefits of a recognized authentication on my keys without having to worry about key surrender to governments. We don't _need_ to have anyone authenticate our encryption keys, just the signature keys. Or am I missing something? (Other than the obvious fact that this is just the thin end of the wedge) - -- HP [*] UTP == Untrusted Third Party -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Charset: noconv iQDzAwUBM3hStrmgWaN4MfkFAQH0WQbwg2Nj7+DdY5LXnqinjjhiJQCVbumMHbpD yGHsoJJDY8BdvgtfPKBqFWSZ1OCvqYaM2M87xK5lF6qdVyESVOcr9GKuB3Cpafhk WPwBOjcdYbL+WzsAo5T8gUH7HFv1dGI0/lMfsc42ik/Wl54YIWeWQr5ptDXpABd7 sSbgr0jjPKoqO2pyAYPS9c3mXooES99zRBDB5edWPf4ACF0u8DcMawZUuAcD+hTH ILZV80VAnOIKKidRqNry5z90/z0L8F3qVklLRYX5qGyxZE60PEbECSE2lxjio/kh PfbpoQCb =ETNt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto AG web site
by 3umoelle＠informatik.uni-hamburg.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Thanks to comprehensive ciphering expertise and 45 years of experience, the Zug/Switzerland based company enjoys an excellent reputation all around the world and is trusted by customers in over 130 countries in all continents." http://www.crypto.ch

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 12:16:27 1997 > Better yet, use their own tactics against them. Order tons of bomb > making materials in the name of their secretaries and have them sent to > their work and their homes. > heh.. > Send them AOL disks that contain hidden files with the bomb stuff. > > Then call the postal inspectors anonymously and point them at the > "evidence." > > :) You know.. this has potential... :) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3iT3aAC4xvMjGa1AQEeKgf/UmjBnVVImpkY+f+LpUk1LFIBGotI31gH 71hNoyxxND776GW681ghS5MU5duzvboDxT9cWixDGkNWtjDFvnEooR5Pio+rrUQa +joApKSzs/zVsKi91KGb+tRIN6Q6+hVdneoTN7HAhEGCeQXQ/Aqa4mYT3nid1iLJ n1h3dvC2co7rU00CxFxDhzhYxKKd4lVyEC0IYv4xSZ20Hhe8PNIUc57mccpv/TeC W0zVhMjfPMUoB/OLLmiPtiCc5clxT1EJMwD/vVRH9mjAPjOIAyjui9NFdO2DqCEO +FYWeBC0zsUh18dZIO6sQf5LVJOOuDPB23/nSdjvPXYownpuqjqxTg== =0ZkT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Infowar, war, and cpunks
by Michael Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If any cpunk is interested in infowar, but with a strong crypto perspective, help yourself to: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4843/ MW

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Eternity server considerations and musings
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spent some considerable time today thinking about the eternity server idea proposed, and implemented in alpha stage, by Adam Back. The main method used by governments around the world so far to attempt to censor information has been the use, or proposal of, proxy servers for whole countries or jurisdictions. This method has only thus far been used to censor www connections, and has been used to censor specific sites, hence the use of mirroring to circumvent government censorship. To give an overview of the eternity server idea for those who didn`t see the original post the idea was that a non existant virtual TLD .eternity would be used to access HTML posted to usenet. So to access a site that was at say bombmaking.terrorist.com/assasination/killing.html you would send your browser to: http://bombmaking.terrorist.com.eternity/assasination/killing.html The assumption being that the distributed nature of usenet would not allow censorship. The proxies idea however can be extended to censor usenet, usenet traffic, although pretty huge, is not yet too large to be grep`d for keywords (currently around 600mb of traffic a day passes through the newsgroups) before being proxied, so a government can run a server which first checks to ensure the usenet article is not encrypted (this can be done crudely by checking for occurances of common words or by checking the redundancy of the text by attempting to compress it) and if it is encrypted junks it, if it is plaintext, greps it for keywords like "assasination", "anarchy", "porn" etc... then kills the articles that have these words in them, the other articles the government does not want to censor are put on a main server like news.fourth-reich.de and access blocked to all the other news servers. I know this might seem an unlikely scenario but it is not really when we consider the wacky ideas we have seen from governments in recent years, a dictatorship like France or Germany might begin implementing this within a few years, although the German government has had it`s fingers burnt recently with the Radikal fiasco. What I was considering was the possibility of circumventing proxies altogether, this is not an easy question and I could not think of one single way to get access, of course one could use and ISP outside of the jurisdiction but this incurs internation call charges for dial up users, and the gubmint of fascist-regime-N can block telephone access to internet POPs outside of their country. The problem with attempting to prevent censorship of usenet is that we cannot mirror it like we can web sites, the web is too huge for a government to mirror the whole of the "acceptable" part of it, so mirroring sites faster than they can block them is effective, usenet is too small to protect in this way, it could be effectively mirrored and all other access killed. Of course while we can mirror sites to prevent censorship this is almost an academic question, rather than a practical one, however, it would be nice to see a more robust system which thwarted all attempts to censor without the need for human intervention by mirroring sites etc. I can see no way that a government can censor internal traffic within a country, because this need not pass through the proxy, so if we can get a copy of a document onto one server within a country all others can access it through a virtual URL. However, this is likely to incur the displeasure of the authorities in that country and have them knocking at the door of the owner of the server holding the document, so we would have to have a system for server anonymity. This is all getting very complicated ;-) Anyway, as I have said, I can give no insight here into what is a possible solution, I hope that this post might cause someone who does have the beginnings of an idea to think about it some more and maybe give us a really robust solution to preventing censorship of this kind. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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test cp@cyberpass.net 10:10a pdt ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. > It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will > quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such > as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. > Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact > and ignite to produce explosion. 94% AN : 6% Fuel Oil (hence the abbr. ANFO) - more brisant than TNT, good stability and sensitivity, cheap and easy to manufacture almost anywhere worldwide in large quantities. Thanks for playing - go get yourself another encyclopedia. BTW, have a friend post your obit. when you've blown your head off, fuck-up.

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PGP Prestidigitizes RSA...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To paraphrase the cypherpunks maxim: "Cypherpunk fellow-travellers hack corporations"... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.aol.com id LAA18484 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:03:31 -0500 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: "Kevin J. Connolly" <kconnolly(a)EVW.COM> Subject: Re: Encryption--RSA v. PGP To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There are several additional bits and pieces to report. First, RSA is not seeking to enjoin the distribution of PGP products. The lawsuit is seeking solely to revise the royalties to be paid. Second, it can be said that the suit represents something of a stretch. RSA (the original patent holder) assigned the patent to Public Key Partners, whose membership consists of RSA Data Security, Inc. and Cylink Corporation. Public Key Partners had granted a license to ViaCrypt, Inc., which was acquired by Lemcom, Inc. Then Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. acquired Lemcom and performed a reverse subsidiary merger, with Lemcom as the surviving entity. Lemcom then changed its corporate style to (surprise!) Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. Cylink--the other half of Public Key Partners-- was not consulted before RSA purported to terminate the license and sue PGP. Third, It appears that one major reason for RSA's purported termination of the license agreement was to get around the very broad arbitration clause in the license agreement. Finally, it appears that RSA commenced the suit in reaction to PGP's development of algorithm-independent encryption. This innovation would make it possible for PGP to embrace not only the RSA Algorithm but also Diffy-Helman, El Gamal (a variant of Diffy-Helman), elliptical curve cryptography or even n-dimensional lattice vector schemes. In the meantime, however. PGP continues and will continue to incorporate the RSA algorithm, if for no other reason than downward compatibility and the need to continue to support the significant number of existing RSA-based keypairs. It should be noted that any bias apparent in this posting stems from the failure of RSA's counsel to return my calls, even though I identified myself and the fact that I am preparing an article for print in a significant news weekly (which I will not identify until and unless the article actually runs). However, I did identify the publication to RSA's counsel, and he chose to let me get my information from PGP, Cylink, and other industry sources. Kevin J. Connolly The opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author, not of Eaton & Van Winkle. This communication is not legal advice. If it were legal advice, it would be accompanied by an invoice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM3iC4jQOqu5WyMfpAQECGQP+IkL0fslR6M/GSHKNdrnCVqQNoYllXurt qcPM0okSKCGEnySvBdeHJE2nf/7nn/CpYtFiPe36hkbfplpjOE4cRgupbr57AL9V kxQluZQdJwJJKNwXrdhiCHHBleM7l7RUSSwIRovsMxy6+4Zd3MNweGKX7wfmFnX8 yRFOV1z7CGs= =W5P9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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test 10:10 am PDT ignore cp@toad
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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test cp@algebra.com 10:10a pdt ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Printers are munitions?
by Sidney R. Phillips 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last Sunday on The Learning Channel there was a somewhat silly program on information warfare. One thing which caught my attention however, was a claim by Win Schwartau (of inforwar fame) that NSA had placed narrow band transmitters in printers which wound up in air defense sites in Iraq. Subsequently the transmissions were used for targeting durring the gulf war. Has anyone heard of a separate source for this?

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] May carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes. _@_ / \ | o o | -U|--U--|U-- Tim C[ocksucker] May

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