December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by wcreply＠ctia.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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HOT Summer IN White House
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This item is one of many such articles outlining the corruptions within Washington. Some of these corruptions are huge, and go far beyond simple pork-barreling. On a level with Watergate, it seems to many of us. I don't usually forward items from "talk.politics.crypto," as I assume many of you are already reading it. But this particular item fits with the "Washington as crime capital in more ways than one" them I've been hitting. Look especially for how favors were granted for high tech exports. --Tim > From: softwar(a)us.net (SOFTWAR) > Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.politics.org.nsa,alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.politics.cia,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.datahighway,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican > Subject: HOT Summer IN White House > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:35:29 GMT > > It's going to be a long hot summer for the Clinton > administration. > > Wednesday night ABC Primetime did a special on Ron Brown's > girlfriend. The accusations flying around the dead Secretary > of Commerce do not bode well for the living inside the Beltway. > First, it seems that Ron acquired an offshore bank account with > nearly a million dollars deposited for him by the Government of > Vietnam. Vietnam wanted to normalize trade relations with the > US and bribing the top dog at Commerce certainly helped grease > the skids. Vietnam got their trade deal but Brown found out > that the FBI knew about his bank account. So he could not touch > the money. The bribery accusation is collaborated by an > ex-Vietnamese official who has also turned his evidence over to > the FBI. Mr. Brown's girlfriend plans to testify before both > the Senate and the House committees investigating wrongdoing in > the Clinton administration. > > Another revelation which should come as no shock is that the > First Lady put John Huang in the Commerce Department. This > demand apparently did not sit well with Mr. Brown, who, > according to his girlfriend, did not like Mrs. Clinton. It > seems that Ron's strong personality ran smack head on into > Hillarys demanding attitude. Yet, he bent over backward and > made sure that Huang was hustled into his government position, > complete with a secret clearance. Once Huang entered the > Commerce Department strange events really started to pop up. > The Commerce Department initially denied Huang had access to > anything important. It is now known that Huang attended dozens > of secret CIA briefings. Huang is alleged to have discussed > secret materials with his former employers at the Lippo group. > The allegations come from material obtained by taps on Huang's > Commerce Department telephone. > > Can the same be said for Ira Sockowitz? > > No. Ira Sockowitz was placed into his Commerce position > directly and personally by President Clinton. It was Ira > Sockowitz who ran Ron Borwn's airline seating arrangements, > between working on government affairs. Whenever Mr. Brown would > fly on a government sponsored trade trip - Ira would line up big > Corporate powers to ride along on the party plane. Mr. > Sockowitz had more experience as a DNC fund-raiser than security > software. Despite this lack of technical skills Mr. Sockowitz > entered the field of banking security software at Commerce. It > is the Commerce Department which approves or denies export of > such financial software. The amount of money involved, invested > and possible returns, are staggering. Obviously, the > push/pull/shove involved in getting such a product approved is > no easy task. Few export licenses have been issued and those > who have them are not too anxious for any others to join them. > > Just how easy was it to obtain such a privilege? Not very. Not > even Fortune 500 companies could obtain export rights from the > Commerce Department. Letters from IBM, Motorola, Digital, HP > and a host of other billion dollar firms clearly indicate their > unsuccessful efforts to obtain Commerce licenses to export their > products. > > However, letters from certain other companies are covered with > redacted notes which the Commerce Department refuses to release. > One letter to the Commerce Department in particular was faxed to > someone (also redacted) along with a memo on how to obtain a > "waiver" for export. Another set of Sockowitz documents being > withheld are a set of hand written notes on a conversation, a > three pages fax and two applications for license for export > dated 8/11/94. The Clinton administration will not say who sent > the fax nor will they say who Ira Sockowitz talked to. Yet, > clearly the topic was a license to export. A license that could > have been worth billions of dollars. > > It's going to be a long hot summer for the Clinton > administration. > > 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 > > Charles R. Smith > SOFTWAR > http://www.us.net/softwar > > Pcyphered SIGNATURE: > 5317BD5D86A9257B2048D1D80523D9ACF320DB56A078CA4EA62BABF7A43EBE6B > 2F5FB787CDEF242FA01EF13984F7071AC2B401DAD0010740F1F024C3CCF9D841 > 9760977F67662EEF

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Re: FYI: Who owns Sen. Kerrey (LONG)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

see http://www.vote-smart.org/congress/104/ma/ma-jr-a/ma-jr-af.html At 02:14 PM 6/19/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I suggest you wonder about McCain and Kerry-without-the-e. > >-Declan > > > > >

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17 Dec '03

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:17:35 -0400 From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com>, sameer <sameer(a)c2.net> Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill At 3:17 PM -0700 6/19/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Yes, it would have been possible for any and all senators on the commerce >committee to vote against *any and all* crypto bills that had key recovery >provisions. Um, ok. Can you explain your view? Poly Sci 101: McCain is the chairman of the committee, and as a result yields a lot of power over the agendas of all the committee members. When a member crosses the chairman, he or she takes a risk of not getting support for his or her priorities. If the chairman doesn't support your bill, it ain't gonna pass. Period. Chairman, on the other hand, don't like to loose. If they bring a bill to a vote, it's because they know they can win either by passing the bill or making a political statement. And the chairman holds all the cards in the deck. If a committee member disagrees with the chairman, and takes a risk by voting that way, he or she needs to have something to be *for*. Otherwise, he or she is just going to appear to be a big pain in the ass. It's very difficult in the real world to be *against* something but *for* nothing. Like it or not , and no matter how much we yell and scream about it, most members of Congress do not fully agree with your position and do not support complete and total de-control of encryption. While a lot of them support the SAFE approach (which I know you don't think goes far enough either) - neither the Commerce Committee members, or anyone else for that matter, are going to just stand up and say NO to their Chairman without having anything to be *for*. This process is raw and smelly, I know, but it's also called Democracy. I am curious to hear your view on this. But before we get all caught up in the old jihad between "the purists" and the "pragmatists", just think about this for a moment: If we are going to have a prayer of getting out of this Congress without getting stuck with manditory key recovery, we have to at least recognize where we fit in to the overall equation and how the system actually works. We can do a lot to impact the outcome of this issue -- but not if we are operating in a different area code from reality. Jonah * Value Your Privacy? The Government Doesn't. Say 'No' to Key Escrow! * Adopt Your Legislator - http://www.crypto.com/adopt -- Jonah Seiger, Communications Director (v) +1.202.637.9800 Center for Democracy and Technology pager: +1.202.859.2151 <jseiger(a)cdt.org> http://www.cdt.org PGP Key via finger http://www.cdt.org/homes/jseiger/

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Re: Senate panel nixes ProCODE II, approves McCain-Kerrey bill
by David Downey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----Original Message Follows---- In the end, it was child pornography that derailed encryption legislation in the U.S. Senate and dealt a bitter defeat to crypto supporters. Spurred by the chairman's denunciations of cyberporn, a majority of the Senate Commerce Committee rejected ProCODE II this morning -- and instead approved a bill introduced earlier this week that creates new Federal crimes for some uses of crypto and an all-but-mandatory key escrow infrastructure. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), committee chair and chief sponsor of the measure, led the attack, saying Congress must "stop child pornography on the Internet and Internet gambling. These legitimate law enforcement concerns cannot and should not be overlooked or taken lightly." He warned that allowing encryption to be exported would permit child pornographers to use it. "If it's being used for child pornography? Are we going to say that's just fine? That's it's just business? I don't think so." Then Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-Tex.) chimed in, saying she doesn't want "children to have access to pornography or other bad types of information." Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO) tried to disagree. "It's like photography. We're not going to [ban] photography if someone takes dirty pictures." (At this point, one of the more deaf committee members asked, "Pornography? Are we going to ban pornography?") Between the child-porn attack team of senators McCain, Hollings, Kerry, and Frist, ProCODE sponsor Sen. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) didn't stand a chance. Hunched over the microphone, Burns was outmaneuvered, outprepared, and outgunned on almost every point. Nevertheless, he introduced ProCODE II -- a so-called compromise measure -- and was defeated 8-12. The changes from ProCODE I gave the NSA, FBI, and CIA oversight over crypto exports and permitted only the export of up to 56-bit crypto products without key escrow. Products of any strength with key escrow could be exported freely. That's hardly a pro-privacy, pro-encryption bill, says the ACLU's Don Haines. "The ProCODE vote shows the political bankruptcy of the pro-business agenda. Even in the Commerce Committee, commerce arguments didn't work," he says. The committee also approved amendments proposed by Kerry that would give jurisdiction over crypto exports to a nine-member "Encryption Export Advisory Board." The panel would "evaluate whether [a] market exists abroad" and make non-binding recommendations to the president. Frist also introduced amendments to the McCain-Kerrey bill that were accepted: * Requiring that not any Federally-funded communications network, but only ones established "for transaction of government business" would use key escrow -- thereby jumpstarting the domestic market. * "Requirements for a subpoenas [sic] should be no less stringent for obtaining keys, then [sic] for any other subpoenaed materials." * Key recovery can mean recovering only a portion of the key "such as all but 40 bits of the key." * NIST after consulting with DoJ and DoD will "publish a reference implementation plan for key recovery systems;" the law will not take effect until the president tells Congress such a study is complete. After the vote, advocacy groups tried to put a good face on the devastating loss -- and an expensive defeat it was. After 15 months of lobbying, countless hearings, backroom dealmaking, and political capital spent, ProCODE is gutted and dead. "There's another day. We have confidence in the system," said BSA's Robert Holleyman. CDT's Jerry Berman said, "What is encouraging is that unlike the CDA other committees are getting involved." Of course, the involvement of other committees is only likely to add more key escrow provisions and limitations on crypto-exports. ProCODE's replacement -- the McCain-Kerrey bill -- now goes to the Senate Judiciary committee, and its chairman has already been talking about mandating key escrow in some circumstances... -Declan ==================================================================== Maybe I'm just paranoid, but doesn't this mean that it is now illegal to use anything over 56 bits in the US, and doesn't this give the US Government the unofficial green light to start cracking down on those of us that use encryption? All they gotta say is that they suspected that we were dealing in child pornography, based on the fact that they monitored encrypted messages leaving from our addresses? It's not that far of a leap in possibilities after everything else they've done. This is starting to get scary ladies and gentleman. I use 2048 bit encryption, does that make me a porn lover because I use that heavy of encryption,and encryption period? I feel some very bad days coming down the pike. I just hope that we can do something to stem the tide. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: FYI: Who owns Sen. Kerrey (LONG)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

yes, well McCain is pretty obvious - and Kerry is on the committee but so what? I was wondering what would motivate Kerrey-with-an-e and to whom he is beholden. Perhaps you could illuminate for us... At 02:14 PM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >I suggest you wonder about McCain and Kerry-without-the-e. > >-Declan > > > > >

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Senator Bryan on S. 909
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke with Andy Vermillye, Senator Bryan's staffer that handles the encryption issue. When I enquired regarding the Bryan's crypto views, Andy thought the Senator's primary reason for voting in favor of the bill was his Intelligence Committe briefings. I gave him a very brief rant regarding the Four Horseman and related my experience in dealing with intelligence agencies (while at TRW), and why they shouldn't be trusted with laws which so easily trample on our right to free speech. Andy admitted he was not very knowledgable regarding crypto. I told him I had spent considerable time and money in establishing First ECache and that many of the bill's provisions, if left in their current form, would prevent my company's function. I said further that, Nevada and the Senator are trying to attract high-tech industries to Nevada, but if this bill passes I would be forced to move the business offshore instead of creating high-paying Nevada jobs. Andy said I was the only Nevada company to call regarding the bill, but that a half dozen others (mostly large companies) all called in opposition. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

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Cypherpunks write code
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When I joined the Cypherpunks mailing list some years ago, few people even considered a legislative fix to the crypto issue. After all, crypto-anarchy is incompatible with the legislative process. Cypherpunks couldn't care less what happens in DC. They are banning crypto? What else is new? Cypherpunks know that governments do not like crypto. As crypto-anarchy spreads, they will like it even less. The attempt to get governments to sanction crypto is therefore futile. In the end, all non-GAK crypto will be banned. But who cares? Cypherpunks write code! We know that we need to get the tools out. Deployment wins. So let's not get hung up on the events in DC. Don't call your Senator. Don't waste time reading "policy posts". Write code! We have monumental tasks ahead of us. Anon remailers exist today. A way of reliably receiving anon email will be deployed this year. Web anonymizers that truly conceal your identity are in limited beta. Fully anonymous ecash will be available soon. DC nets should be deployed early next year. [But don't let this stop you from working on DC nets. Modern designs only double the message bandwidth. This is very reasonable. We need more implementations]. There is much work still to be done. We need stego front ends for many of these services. And credentials need to be implemened. A task that hasn't even been touched yet. Cypherpunks write code, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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No Subject
by "C.J. Parker <cjp＠dev.null>"＠wombat.sk.sympatico.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pearl Harbor Computers has announced the "PGP Crack Challenge" with a prize of $10,000.00 for the first person to decrypt a PGP cyphertext file which reveals the location of the Jews being hidden by anarchistic CypherPunks. Despite the best efforts of the U.S. legislative bodies and secret government comittees, the danger remains that outlaw cryptographers will be able to illegally avoid future Government Access to Keys legislation and prevent law enforcement agencies from being able to read their communications through use of strong, non-GAKed crypto. Imagine the burden that would have resulted if strong crypto had prevented the German Gestapo from accessing information needed to meet the legitimate needs of law enforcement during World War II. Pearl Harbor Computers will post a file called "hidejews.asc" to the CypherPunks list in the near future. It will use 2048 bit PGP 5.0 encryption signed with Pearl Harbor Computers secret key. In order to win, whoever decrypts the message must post their results to the cypherpunks list, signed by their secret key. The $10,000.00 prize will be paid in the equivalent of removed gold tooth-fillings held in escrow in safety deposit boxes in a secure Swiss bank. C.J. Parker, President, Pearl Harbor Computers "We've been bombed since 1941"

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No Subject
by "C.J. Parker <cjp＠dev.null>"＠wombat.sk.sympatico.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pearl Harbor Computers has announced the "PGP Crack Challenge" with a prize of $10,000.00 for the first person to decrypt a PGP cyphertext file which reveals the location of the Jews being hidden by anarchistic CypherPunks. Despite the best efforts of the U.S. legislative bodies and secret government comittees, the danger remains that outlaw cryptographers will be able to illegally avoid future Government Access to Keys legislation and prevent law enforcement agencies from being able to read their communications through use of strong, non-GAKed crypto. Imagine the burden that would have resulted if strong crypto had prevented the German Gestapo from accessing information needed to meet the legitimate needs of law enforcement during World War II. Pearl Harbor Computers will post a file called "hidejews.asc" to the CypherPunks list in the near future. It will use 2048 bit PGP 5.0 encryption signed with Pearl Harbor Computers secret key. In order to win, whoever decrypts the message must post their results to the cypherpunks list, signed by their secret key. The $10,000.00 prize will be paid in the equivalent of removed gold tooth-fillings held in escrow in safety deposit boxes in a secure Swiss bank. C.J. Parker, President, Pearl Harbor Computers "We've been bombed since 1941"

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:20:40 -0400 From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir(a)vtw.org> To: Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)onr.com>, "--Todd Lappin-->" <telstar(a)wired.com>, Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org>, Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com>, sameer <sameer(a)c2.net> Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill A little more of polisci 101: These 8 members of Congress didn't just vote in our favor here, they've placed crypto on an agenda at a higher level than something else they wanted to get through the committee. Imagine being Sen. Burns, and knowing that you have just placed your own agenda at risk in order to stand up for crypto, knowing there's a non-neglible chance you might lose. By sheer definition, you've placed crypto on your agenda higher than something else. Not only am I really damn happy to see this, but very happy to know that 8 senators think so little of the key recovery that they'd jeapordize their own agendas for it. We owe them a great big debt of thanks, not the derision that goes with Alice in Wonderland political punditry. -S At 8:40 PM -0500 6/19/97, Jon Lebkowsky wrote: >At 06:09 PM 6/19/97 -0800, --Todd Lappin--> wrote: >>At 3:17 PM -0800 6/19/97, Jonah Seiger wrote: >>> >>>But before we get all caught up in the old jihad between "the purists" and >>>the "pragmatists", just think about this for a moment: If we are going to >>>have a prayer of getting out of this Congress without getting stuck with >>>manditory key recovery, we have to at least recognize where we fit in to >>>the overall equation and how the system actually works. >> >> >>I'd agree with this. >> >>The reality is, we're in a bad, bad pickle right now. We've gone from a >>situation in which we're debating the finer points of a bill which probably >>would have helped us *overall*, to trying to defend ourselves from a bill >>that would make things far, far WORSE than they are right now. >> >>This is triage. >> >>S. 909 is the devil. > >Yeah, it's frustrating. One problem with the bill is that the average >person, or legislator for that matter, who reads the bill might not >understand why it's a problem. Crypto should be better understood. I >mentioned an imperfect analogy to Jonah today, but I think it works to >convey the problem: it's like saying you can't live here unless you give >the police access to a key to your house. And the immediate problems with >that should be obvious: what if someone else gets access to the key where >you've stored it for the cops? And what if the cops become storm troopers? > When more copies of your key exist beyond your control, however supposedly >secure they may be, that security is weaker than it would be if you >controlled all the keys yourself. > >Oh, well. > >What's next on the menu? > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Jon Lebkowsky * jonl(a)onr.com * www.well.com/~jonl >President, EFF-Austin >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill (fwd) > From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir(a)vtw.org> > We owe them a great big debt of thanks, not the derision that goes with > Alice in Wonderland political punditry. They did what they did because they thought it was in their interests; otherwise they wouldn't have done it. We owe them nothing, and I am horrified to see this phrase. How much do you owe a parasite that tries to negotiate with other parasites to take slightly less of your blood than they originally expected? Statements similar to yours have been made so many times, scolding "extremists" for "not being realistic." I seem to remember something about extremism in defense of liberty being no vice, and moderation no virtue. Either way, if you compromise, you don't get what you want. That is absolutely obvious. So why compromise?

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96rock (96.1)--"The Home of Capital Punishment"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

_The Atlanta Journal-Constitution_ 6/20/97 "Contest Controversy: Radio Promotion Is Called Tasteless" Miriam Longino, Staff Writer Atlanta radio station 96rock is making waves with a contest that asks listeners to predict the year, month, day and time when convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh will be executed. The winner gets a free trip to cover the event. Rock Station WKLS-FM (96.1)--calling itself "The Home of Capital Punishment"--is running a 45-second spot 12 times a day to pitch the contest. [snip] ...96rock promotions director, Pat Ervin, ...says he feels the station is "playing on the sentiment of the majority of the public." "We saw an opportunity," he says. "It's obvious that people are very passionate about this thing. So we decided to use a creative mechanism to tap into that." [More follows]

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No Subject
by Fuck Jesus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In celebration of the DES Challenge success, I am sending out copies of a 1983 Time-Life picture of a naked boy and girl playing in a risque position that indicates the boy could have his penis inserted in the girl's rear. In celebration of the crack of weak financial cryptography that leaves businesses vulnerable because of the U.S.'s ignorant and fascist crypto policy, I am encrypting the file using a 4096-bit key produced with an encryption package I downloaded off of a European ftp site. So, while some thief is using a computer to steal your life savings, I will be sitting back drinking champagne and enjoying pictures of naked children that Time-Life profited from by selling them to middle class Americans in the 80's. I am sorry that I feel the need to encrypt the picture with strong cryptography acquired from a foreign source, but I am just a normal citizen and not a major corporation, so I would go to jail for sharing this with you even though I am not profiting from it as they did. -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 MessageID: x+sKjpaOsVgSNXEtf9IIyu8BCbLD5Hof qANQR1DBw04Dbz9N1j3WOD8QEACNw87oSavhuIxVZVX/9dhwrMBoAtaWaDStOQuA sp2qprt1LPQCIqlXs8tgvEvR+fNtL1aZkrYPYbC57AMVXCyYyPxVF6pPlJIlYNI8 tdOjSRFDlns7kD4xC3nNESBkHwH3GW1s9/wD8R7AO7yarnMu1YnaQgUJDjWIVaes qnaeSfEEtG3XMHpdQ6dyNg3OR5lYxDBuwPntVlFXUS7RtqjVS69glngFRb3aBCqZ NCmjAnnPLAnfAv464kcFHESbzXLtkF3+1ApBoNPgiF7W2G66MP5WkV7XO1BIM3eb wBFKW/H1deWzXNQgZxeyKQo0cmWDwitPYiztTmepL2Cjoc4pR/6CsqnFdBTuEN8P RmDIsGXWpQv4i7lMOs4P12YGGkhm3q0utpSikmlHnoJGDMe2nkAbkUMeJDnP1Hj+ qmuoqKgdAM9I6//aMfVeFR6zKe6VvfFI3kO07nzS/X9DC3/GnyhSco38US1033q0 FRRR6p/uwl/zF7H6c7Z12uMsiUgsobd+d0dy2z8GdDBKOIManPmNtLbgx85VhMyJ 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Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh: > From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir(a)vtw.org> > Subject: Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto B ill > > A little more of polisci 101: > > These 8 members of Congress didn't just vote in our favor here, they've > placed crypto on an agenda at a higher level than something else they > wanted to get through the committee. Imagine being Sen. Burns, and knowing > that you have just placed your own agenda at risk in order to stand up for > crypto, knowing there's a non-neglible chance you might lose. > > By sheer definition, you've placed crypto on your agenda higher than > something else. Not only am I really damn happy to see this, but very > happy to know that 8 senators think so little of the key recovery that > they'd jeapordize their own agendas for it. > > We owe them a great big debt of thanks, not the derision that goes with > Alice in Wonderland political punditry. Imagine! Shabbir's obvious amazement that a senator would put support of our Constitutional rights above his own "agenda" is very telling. Like most of those senators, he's been in Washington too long. It seems not to occur to those in D.C. that the very idea of congress deigning to tell us how we can communicate with each other is utterly offensive.

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by FuckClinton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have sent along a nice picture of a naked family that comes from a nudist magazine. Unfortunately, one of the family members is a young child. Since, if viewed by a person who is not capable of controlling their carnal sexual impulses (President Clinton, for example), it might be considered to be a vile, filthy example of child pornography instead of a pleasant portrait of a family comfortable with their nudity, I have encrypted it with 3072-bit strong encryption with a program obtained from a source outside of the United States. 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Newsletter
by actn＠artnet.com.br 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please don't hit reply, send all inquiries to a7(a)mary-world.com http://www.mary-world.com/ans Are you interested in receiving our monthly free newsletter on the latest Computer technologies and the internet. Please send an email requesting to be added to our database, or check our web site for the latest news. If you have signed up already, please disregard this request. Download our catalog from our Internet Website http://www.mary-world.com/ans HARDWARE TRENDS BREAKING SPEED LIMITS Early benchmark tests on a prototype 300-MHz system are promising This fall will mark the arrival of a class of machines based on Intel's 300-MHz Pentium II processors, and early benchmark tests on some of the prototypes show healthy-- if not astounding-- performance gains over previous-generation Pentium systems. At NEC's invitation, PC Magazine had the chance to run tests on the company's new 300-MHz PowerMate Professional, due to ship in September. Although the configuration we tested was preliminary, the machine posted some impressive numbers. On the ZD High-End Winstone 97 test, the PowerMate earned a score of 34.8. This test runs a set of applications that heavily exercise the CPU and graphics subsystem, but purely CPU-intensive tests were really where the machine did well. On our CPUMark32 test, it posted a score of 735; on CPUMark 16, the system earned a speedy score of 556. To put these results in perspective, note that our recent test of the 266-MHz Dell Dimension XPS H266, resulted in a CPUMark32 score of 719, as opposed to the NEC system's 735, and the Dimension was the fastest by a wide margin in a group of systems based on Intel's 266-MHz Pentium II processor. The Dimension did, however, post a slightly higher score on High-End Winstone 97 than the PowerMate--36 rather than 34.8-- thanks to its advanced graphics subsystem. Most of the other 266-MHz system in our roundup posted speed scores well behind the PowerMates. Again, the configuration is still preliminary. More Adrenaline This Fall In the fall, Intel plans to ship its 440LX chip set, which supports Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) technology and will work with a new dedicated bus for graphics. The speeds posted by 300-MHz machines-- especially on graphics tasks--are likely to benefit greatly from these technologies, as bus bottlenecks currently undermine high-speed processors. Although tests show 300-MHz system to be marginally faster than 266-MHz Pentium units, the new chip set should provide a healthy shot of adrenaline. Many customers will want to time their purchases of 300-MHz machines to correspond with the chip set's arrival, but NEC's $4000 PowerMate is likely to ship in advance of the chip set. Also note that Intel has been speeding up price drops on its high-end chips in recent years, and 300-MHz systems should be substantially cheaper than $4000 by 1998. They promise to be an important step for Intel as it faces increased competition in high-end chips from AMD and Cyrix. ***************** MEMORY************************** HIGHEST QUALITY. LIFETIME WARRANTY Call for any type ofMemory not listed.Memory for Laptops and Desktops, All AppleMAC or any POWERBOOKS. EDO/ or fast page Simms 72pin Memory 2k, 60ns 8MB $35 16MB $65 32MB $119 168pin Dimms, 60ns 16MB DIMM $75 32MB DIMM $135 64MB DIMM $265 *************** COMPUTERS *************** Pentium 200MMX 16/3GB 20xCD, 15" Color Monitor, 33.6 Fax/Modem $1499/$54mo. Compaq Laptop, P120, 16/1GB, 10.4 Active Mtx, 8xCD ROM $1645 Compaq Laptop Presario P150MMx, 16/2GB, 10xCD, fax/mod $2495 Toshiba Tecra Laptop 730CDT, P150Mhz, 16/2GBCD TFT $3995 Apple Powerbook 1400/cs 16/750CD/Color/FM $1795 Apple 9600/233, 32/4GB 12xCD, $3399 Apple 8500/120Mhz 16/1GB CD $1695 Apple 6200/75Mhz, 14" Monitor,8/1GB, CD, 14.4 Fax/Mod $799 1- WE CAN E-MAIL YOU A COMPLETE CATALOG. 2- WHOLESALE PRICES ON PENTIUM LAPTOPS & DESKTOP. APPLE POWER MACS, MEMORY AND ACCESSORIES. 3- REPAIR ANY TYPE OF CPU, MONITOR, DRIVE,PRINTER FREE PICK UP & DELIVER FOR LOCALS, BEST RATES. 4- WE SHIP WORLDWIDE, OVER 11 YEARS EXPERIENCE SINCE 1985 CALL FOR OTHER CONFIGURATIONS- We carry Full line of Toshiba, Texas instruments, IBM, Radius, Daystar, Umax,Seagate, Quantum Samsung, or many other computer Printers,Scanners, Monitors, Modems Software, and peripherals.We accept Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express,Diners,Cash, Cashier's Checks, Money Orders, COD. Active Network Solutions Inc. , 1611 Crenshaw Blvd #224, Torrance CA 9501 U.S.A Tel. (310)764-4357 Please send all inquiries to: a7(a)mary-world.com Internet Website http://www.mary-world.com/ans IF YOU LIKE TO BE REMOVED PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL AND WRITE (REMOVE) IN SUBJECT AREA. 10

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Encryption Test
by FearMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have attached a file that contains the sysadmin password for the main computer at Visa's head office. In order to prevent the information being abused, I have encrypted it with Pkzip so as not to have to fear running afoul of vague and indeterminate crypto legislation. I am doing this in the hope that by showing my willingness to support the government promotion of weak encryption I will thus be trusted with even more highly sensitive information in the future. I also used a short and easily-guessed password to show my support for government access to keys in the hope that it will lead to wider recognition of my value as a team player in government projects. If I am ever in a position to be hired for a job that involves access to the secret codes for launching nuclear missles, I hope that I can count on letters of reference from cypherpunks list members declaring my suitability for working in an area that requires one to show proper fear of and submission to authority. FearMonger

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Re: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh(a)efga.org> >To: action(a)efga.org >Subject: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! > >EFGA was granted a preliminary injunction in our court case >against the state of Georgia. Details and press release to follow. Yee-hah! If you ignore CONgress, we've had a good week, between this court and the New York CDA courts doing the right thing and the DES crack finishing. >Let's meet somewhere tonight to celebrate! Obviously y'all should meet in the Atlanta Underground, wearing masks :-) (though I won't be there, since it's a bit far from the West Coast...) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Mail server down :(
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, My ISP is in the process of switching backbone providers and as a consenquence all my mail is bouncing. This more than likely will not be fixed until Monday. Thanks, - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6q7SY9Co1n+aLhhAQFWNwP+Mg19u/wKUBH/CkO2VimaIurS8AI5GR7J G7EU4dysnq3+yx5BU6vtGpkMVNLRjv8t5Q5BuT1jMfkXn5NKdt1XbUQATVsQz1X0 N3p1ojP+4DXekn4DO02N3s/5hxHT/jYX5k9EPUSgpwbp8KzG2y9DttVhz+pUeXZC O0kOCo6XJyg= =OD5S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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It's not over
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's cut all the doom and gloom here. The bill isn't passed yet. It's got to go through at least one and possibly two more committees before it reaches the senate floor, where we'll have another chance to defeat it. Even then the house has to pass similar legislation. That will be yet another chance. When Clipper was proposed, a wave of anger and opposition swept forth. The same thing needs to happen now. This fatalism is self defeating. Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. People who say there's no use fighting, who give up, who oppose the efforts of the crypto lobbying groups in the name of ideological purity, are not part of the solution. They have no right to complain if this law passes. By sitting aside and carping at the efforts of those who are trying to stop this kind of legislation, they are only helping to bring it about. There is no reason this new bill should be any more acceptable or more successful than Clipper was. We only have to fight it.

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Re: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh(a)efga.org> > Subject: Re: [EFGA] WE won our court case!! (fwd) > Reasonable men adapt to match the world around them. Unreasonable men try to > adapt the world to themselves. Therefore, only unreasonable men bring about > change in the world. I may be unreasonable, but I'm not pathetic. This is an interesting insight into the underpinnings of a democracy or republic. The secret to success and ultimate limitation of government authority is people standing up and saying "Hell NO!, I won't take it any more." In short, for democracy (any democracy I suspect) to work it REQUIRES people being unwilling to compromise. So many people labor under the impression that compromise is how they get to where they want to be. Very successful indoctrination I suspect... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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New Laws in Oregon - "Land of the Legal betatest"
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I sometimes think that Oregon is being used as a beta test for some of the more draconian laws due for the rest of the country. An example is the new law waiting to be signed by the Govenor. It would expand the reasons a cop can use to detain and search you. Currently they need to have probable cause that you committed a crime. The new law expands that to probible cause that you are about to commit a crime and a whole host of things they can detain and question you on. (The TV coverage has been less than good. The TV anchor they had covering it was pushing it as a good idea. Only until later did they bring up any reasons of protest.) Yet another tool to keep the masses down. alano(a)teleport.com | "Those who are without history are doomed to retype it."

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Feinstein Amendment Text
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Senator Feinstein's office has provided a copy of her S.936 amendment which passed yersterday 94 to 0 "to prohibit the distribution of certain information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction." http://jya.com/fein-sp419.htm (5K) Via links in the file, the amendment may be compared to earlier draft versions and debate as well as for the effect of the recent Justice Department report on its language.

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