December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now this is interesting! :) (Either that or JA is smoking crack... - no idea on JA's reputation capital though...) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:29:07 -0600 From: "J.A. Terranson" <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> To: 'NT Security Listserv' <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> Subject: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was rooting around in the registry tonight, (looking to repair my own stupidity!), and guess what I saw? SKIPJACK is installed, and ENABLED! I have NOT (now would I EVER) installed it voluntarily, and Micro$loth only advertises the "standard" ciphers (which I also found). Is anyone else aware of this? Is it safe to delete the key (and code? Hopefully this is DLL driven: I'm still looking!). Also, anyone know what it was put there for? It's certainly not what I would consider an SSL issue! J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org A small fading light in a vast and obscure universe... PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY - ENCRYPT! PGP/DSS: 0x12896749 FP: 63F2 1777 BC38 AC1E 3359 0B0E C6C0 ED6B 1289 6749 PGP/RSA: 0x9D85DF05 FP: 810C 25E9 7DD3 C157 3081 A202 DDFD 4245 If Government wants us to behave, it should set a better example! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKC5wqAMF5Wdhd8FAQFsDQgAkietW1awMFDE9ZY5d9B+Zc0cGuGxlPC+ XzVy6+RleDngUecSAf8MbZZlTDDyN69liKG2Of0n+pZnlJSbKZWZiG0cRN592bbL xCF/cwgNdJi1/HTA/mDZ7fpRT1phCMi/b2U3XXyV3QG2fv+Z8M5o4LjykYT+u4Lt aEkfedFZKjkURO+artvGFnISfVxAMwpW0TfdbxE2Izw8iSjX2w+4aT0ub+Ck3OA4 X3Bek8ZPhbmsf9lIfBSe38ZPMZGrk7VwTPaMo7JiU5MM58OmCMaodKlwyxfsptKf khLnbWJbwHrlbW2yXL7nh7Ttnxv1WJ6BHaaJhxX/5EWSU4xAc/FjaQ== =jsvV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) (fwd)
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is most definitely an SSL 3 supported cipher but unless you have the token or such, then it is not going to be used for anything, and then only if you try to connect to a Skipjack (ie. fortezza) site. I doubt you have the code as it is classified and available (at this time) only in hardware. Don't sweat it, it looks like it's just a hook or ..... What environment/flavor of stuff are you running? I can help you with this if you want to contact me off the list. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 4.5 mQENAzRQsnUAAAEIAMclvXulVps67+GFijTzNspUsWBYihovyvzlfzdHxkXYWiSg FyZ4KUVLDvVwMIvFFQ3S48VtkT6i8+P8gwZFBNXyuOO+e8nv1o3b90Og6imiN2Eg PTg3rJCKun2kP6AkUN+J1m7AuYjDML7caPzRM9kbws4JmSb+U5RSeUq5g8aA9mRr oJwE3YKolM7uNAaiBwJuRRxltJG/P8XilY/J6NMhx2M1TpjXg0+9jasr7DMMFRFI sVX9uumibFOWT9xUB5eW6rTLJOXf5H5vUnDykRErtbFsLp6cOZ++3qtzHzMYbbSW xGPe2eL7tCF/y8eKh6l0U8UkWUTuQFuvyEhHg90ABRG0HGdyZWdnIDIwNDggPGdl ZW1hbkBiZXN0LmNvbT4= =F1s3 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- At 11:45 AM 12/26/97 -0500, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Now this is interesting! :) (Either that or JA is smoking crack... - no >idea on JA's reputation capital though...) > >=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== >.+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. >..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ ><--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ >../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. >.+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... >======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:29:07 -0600 >From: "J.A. Terranson" <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> >To: 'NT Security Listserv' <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> >Subject: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >I was rooting around in the registry tonight, (looking to repair my own >stupidity!), >and guess what I saw? SKIPJACK is installed, and ENABLED! I have NOT >(now would I EVER) installed it voluntarily, and Micro$loth only advertises >the >"standard" ciphers (which I also found). > >Is anyone else aware of this? Is it safe to delete the key (and code? >Hopefully >this is DLL driven: I'm still looking!). > >Also, anyone know what it was put there for? It's certainly not what I would > >consider an SSL issue! > >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin(a)mfn.org >A small fading light in a vast and obscure universe... > >PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY - ENCRYPT! >PGP/DSS: 0x12896749 FP: 63F2 1777 BC38 AC1E 3359 > 0B0E C6C0 ED6B 1289 6749 >PGP/RSA: 0x9D85DF05 FP: 810C 25E9 7DD3 C157 > 3081 A202 DDFD 4245 >If Government wants us to behave, it should set a better example! > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 >Charset: noconv > >iQEVAwUBNKC5wqAMF5Wdhd8FAQFsDQgAkietW1awMFDE9ZY5d9B+Zc0cGuGxlPC+ >XzVy6+RleDngUecSAf8MbZZlTDDyN69liKG2Of0n+pZnlJSbKZWZiG0cRN592bbL >xCF/cwgNdJi1/HTA/mDZ7fpRT1phCMi/b2U3XXyV3QG2fv+Z8M5o4LjykYT+u4Lt >aEkfedFZKjkURO+artvGFnISfVxAMwpW0TfdbxE2Izw8iSjX2w+4aT0ub+Ck3OA4 >X3Bek8ZPhbmsf9lIfBSe38ZPMZGrk7VwTPaMo7JiU5MM58OmCMaodKlwyxfsptKf >khLnbWJbwHrlbW2yXL7nh7Ttnxv1WJ6BHaaJhxX/5EWSU4xAc/FjaQ== >=jsvV >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Attachment Converted: "F:\GDW\Mail\[NTSEC] SKIPJACK NT4.0 (SP3)" >

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Re: actual, on-topic post (tm)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jkthomson <jkthomson(a)bigfoot.com> writes: >does a large number of 'bounces' between randomly selected remailers >increase security/untraceability? what if you made each message go through >ALL remailers, or nearly all? Going through all the remailers is overkill. The rationale for multiple remailers (four are usually recommended) is that it's harder to trace a message through the remailer network. Say you want to send a message to person X. So you send it to remailer A. Now there's a chain linking you to that remailer (probably your ISP's smtp log), and your friendly local jackbooted thug could say, "Aha! You sent a message to that remailer, and then person X got an anonymous message! It must have been you!" They might not be able to make it stick, but they'd certainly be able to take you downtown for a quick wooden high colonic. Now, suppose instead that you'd sent it through a chain of four remailers, chosen in some reasonably random fashion. So the thug has a record of you sending something to remailer A, but the message came from Remailer D. He has to construct a chain linking you to Remailer D, via remailer B and C. If you PGP-encrypt the messages in layers, as with Premail, then no remailer other than the last in the chain has the final destination, and no remailer other than the first knows where the message originally came from. Hope this helps.

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17 Dec '03

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Cryptographer examines Kaczynski's journal
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: William Knowles <erehwon(a)dis.org> X-e$pam-source: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:09:27 -0500 To: espam(a)intertrader.com From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Cryptographer examines Kaczynski's journal Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Knowles <erehwon(a)dis.org> To: "Perry's crypto list" <cryptography(a)c2.net>, DC-Stuff <dc-stuff(a)dis.org> cc: DCSB <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: Cryptographer examines Kaczynski's journal Organization: Home for retired social engineers & unrepented cryptophreaks MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: William Knowles <erehwon(a)dis.org> SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Driven by secrecy, Theodore Kaczynski kept a cryptic diary for two decades, substituting numbers and mathematical symbols for words and letters. Prosecutors say the Unabomber suspect's encoded journal is the cornerstone of their case against the mathematics professor-turned -forest recluse. They say it provides a remarkable, step-by-step view of years of wrongdoing -- in the defendant's own words. And they intend to have FBI cryptographer Michael Birch lay out his ``translation'' of the entire document to jurors. ``Although Mr. Birch's expertise is breaking codes, in this case the 'key' to the defendant's code was found in the cabin,'' the government said in its trial strategy brief. ``Therefore, Mr. Birch's expertise will be directed to explaining to the jury how to apply the code to the defendant's coded writings and the admission into evidence of his completed translation.'' Earlier, lead prosecutor Robert Cleary said the journal records are ``the backbone of the government's case.'' He said the diary describes in detail the 16 Unabomber attacks from 1978 to 1995 that killed three people and injured 29. Kaczynski, 55, is charged with using bombs in four attacks: He is accused of killing a lobbyist and a computer store owner a decade apart in Sacramento, and maiming a geneticist and a computer professor with Sacramento-postmarked mail bombs in 1993. Opening statements in the trial are scheduled for Jan. 5. Kaczynski could get the death penalty if convicted. He is charged separately in New Jersey with the third fatality attributed to the Unabomber's 18-year siege. Unlike the Unabomber manifesto, a 35,000-word treatise that depicts technology as an evil force, the coded diary was never intended to be seen by anyone else. The diary, written in pencil on several hundred pages of notepaper and several inches thick, includes details of experiments with explosives. It was among 20,000 documents seized from Kaczynski's tiny Montana shack. The diary contents have not been made public, although Birch's decoded version was given to the defense last year. Sources familiar with the journal describe it as a sophisticated jumble of numbers, an intricate enigma wrapped in a riddle befitting a Harvard-trained mathematician described by one prospective juror as a ``smart weirdo.'' But code experts aren't so sure. They believe Kaczynski, who shunned computers and electronic devices in his cabin without electricity, may actually have cloaked the journal in a ``hand code'' that would have been relatively easy to break, even without the key. Such codes vary widely, but one basic variety resembles a checkerboard or grid, numbered on the sides, with each square filled randomly with a letter of the alphabet. 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RE: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) (fwd)
by J.A. Terranson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Since I've had so many people either ask what s/w was installed on this box, or else claim that "J.A. must be on crack! :-)", here is the breakdown... NT4.0; SP3; Every post SP3 hotfix through the third week of December; NT4.0 Server Resource Kit; I.E. 3.02 with Java VM pkg installed; PGP 5.0 Commercial; Adobe Photoshop 4.0 with a couple of special filter plugins; Adobe Illustrator 4.something, no addons; Adobe Premier with no addons; Micrographics Webtricity; Front Page 97 with assorted HotFixes; Outlook 97 with assorted HotFixes; TCL/TK; J++; Java 1.something with SDK; WordPerfect Suite 7.something. Obviously, this is on a Web Authoring station, so there is absolutely no reason for any of the above programs to be playing around with Skipjack... Never the less... I brought up a testbed system over the Xmas break, using the same install packages that I used to build the workstation in question. No sign of ANY ciphers: Skipjack or anything else! Which makes sense. The question now is just how in the h%@#& did it get here in the first place? And why are my others ciphers explicitly disabled for SSL? This is a really disturbing finding. I am more concerned that Skipjack was *silently* installed than anything else: I have plans to completely reinstall all of the software from scratch on this particular box, and then enable full key ACL logging in an attempt to find out how it got there. I am VERY concerned about this! The ONLY way I can conceive of this machine having this configuration is if it was silently downloaded to the machine during a W3 session. And it would NOT likely have been an SSL session: We do absolutely NO on-line transactions here. If Skipjack is being silently, I want to know by whom, and for what purpose. OK, maybe I'm just paranoid, or smoking crack, but I spent several years in the late '80's working in COMSEC, and the scenario which first comes to mind is not too far-fetched (at least for me) to be believable... It is most definitely an SSL 3 supported cipher but unless you have the token or such, then it is not going to be used for anything, and then only if you try to connect to a Skipjack (ie. fortezza) site. I doubt you have the code as it is classified and available (at this time) only in hardware. Don't sweat it, it looks like it's just a hook or ..... What environment/flavor of stuff are you running? I can help you with this if you want to contact me off the list. At 11:45 AM 12/26/97 -0500, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Now this is interesting! :) (Either that or JA is smoking crack... - no >idea on JA's reputation capital though...) > >=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== >.+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. >..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ ><--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ >../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. >.+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... >======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:29:07 -0600 >From: "J.A. Terranson" <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> >To: 'NT Security Listserv' <ntsecurity(a)iss.net> >Subject: [NTSEC] SKIPJACK / NT4.0 (SP3?) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >I was rooting around in the registry tonight, (looking to repair my own >stupidity!), >and guess what I saw? SKIPJACK is installed, and ENABLED! I have NOT >(now would I EVER) installed it voluntarily, and Micro$loth only advertises >the >"standard" ciphers (which I also found). > >Is anyone else aware of this? Is it safe to delete the key (and code? >Hopefully >this is DLL driven: I'm still looking!). > >Also, anyone know what it was put there for? It's certainly not what I would > >consider an SSL issue! > >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin(a)mfn.org >A small fading light in a vast and obscure universe... > >PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY - ENCRYPT! >PGP/DSS: 0x12896749 FP: 63F2 1777 BC38 AC1E 3359 > 0B0E C6C0 ED6B 1289 6749 >PGP/RSA: 0x9D85DF05 FP: 810C 25E9 7DD3 C157 > 3081 A202 DDFD 4245 >If Government wants us to behave, it should set a better example! > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 >Charset: noconv > >iQEVAwUBNKC5wqAMF5Wdhd8FAQFsDQgAkietW1awMFDE9ZY5d9B+Zc0cGuGxlPC+ >XzVy6+RleDngUecSAf8MbZZlTDDyN69liKG2Of0n+pZnlJSbKZWZiG0cRN592bbL >xCF/cwgNdJi1/HTA/mDZ7fpRT1phCMi/b2U3XXyV3QG2fv+Z8M5o4LjykYT+u4Lt >aEkfedFZKjkURO+artvGFnISfVxAMwpW0TfdbxE2Izw8iSjX2w+4aT0ub+Ck3OA4 >X3Bek8ZPhbmsf9lIfBSe38ZPMZGrk7VwTPaMo7JiU5MM58OmCMaodKlwyxfsptKf >khLnbWJbwHrlbW2yXL7nh7Ttnxv1WJ6BHaaJhxX/5EWSU4xAc/FjaQ== >=jsvV >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Attachment Converted: "F:\GDW\Mail\[NTSEC] SKIPJACK NT4.0 (SP3)" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKRqWaAMF5Wdhd8FAQEoawf+PlZlxSUBhsO1Pj37arRPt0YDIiCX0e5K UzKIOyIk82Q3s2py5LQmqUv8hrqIY2NxTcn2DaNYm4yS2UOgKDfgfJbswmWdRlYZ UHOt+ROiUn5P7qJqMThKHxE2EnQKhhtyiRJaUYgilGbgKCAAs/YYtP5uu7XOfd3l u9TNmZwz6GCUv3+QrGXBi3g5+KQkzNZ/4cJLn+LYV5dGBzbGAsnSaAjQ+Kai0Xs9 tNTLZjM2wWvUDU7BNUYu/mHyY+ltiURgaqUSQpz9VV3y6SOlyh/Oef2JMtZtYkVc K8EkebhEQNQ4uECxChyGYsmiuDmnt8yCYeX3moCcu+szHebQ/YyPeA== =KIsG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Kwanzaa hijacked by white businesses... [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > SOME RETAILERS SAY WHITE CORPORATIONS ARE HIJACKING KWANZAA > > graphic December 26, 1997 > Web posted at: 9:53 p.m. EST (0253 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As celebrations begin for Kwanzaa, the > 30-year-old African-American holiday, some black business owners say > they worry the celebration, which emphasizes black self-reliance, is > being hijacked by white-owned corporations. > > "When this holiday came into existence, it was almost a > laughingstock," says Magaji Bukar, a gift shop owner. "And now that > (retailers) can make some money, now (they) want to be a part of > this. We're saying, 'No.'" > > "This is more than just money. This is culture," he said. > > Bukar is one of about 1,000 African-American business owners who > have launched a letter-writing campaign, demanding that large > companies -- including Hallmark Cards and Giant Foods -- stop > selling Kwanzaa-related items. They are urging African-Americans to > buy Kwanzaa supplies and goods only from black businesses. > > But not all African-Americans agree. For example, Pamela Rucker of > the National Retail Federation says merchants are simply responding > to the free market and showing respect for the holiday. Magaji Bukar > Magaji Bukar > > "Retailers have a responsibility to serve their consumers, whether > African-American, Hispanic, Asian, whatever," she said. "If > consumers didn't tell us they wanted Kwanzaa-related products, or > other ethnic or culturally-related products, retailers wouldn't > stock them." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING 1/17/98 - Preliminary Schedule announcement
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The January Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting will be on January 17th, rather than the normal second Saturday, to accommodate the RSA conference and W3C conference that will be in town that week. The agenda is not set, but will include - Export law presentation by Lee Tien, Greg Broiles, and maybe Cindy Cohn - Secure DNS export - Latest PGP / McAfee / Network Associates merger and related discussion - More topics appreciated Location will probably be PGP headquarters in San Mateo, but may be another convenient Bay Area location. A more detailed announcement will follow. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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cypherpunks missing from Usenet
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know most of you don't use Usenet anymore... Nevertheless, I'd appreciate any help. ---guy # From: guy+U2_Czars_suck(a)panix.com # Subject: Re: EFF Director calls for requiring digital signatures for Net access # Newsgroups: comp.org.cauce,comp.org.eff.talk # Followup-To: comp.org.cauce,comp.org.eff.talk # Organization: Information Security at NYC, Third Planet From the Sun T. Max Devlin <mdevlin(a)eltrax.com> wrote: : On 20 Dec 1997 05:28:35 -0500, Cipher <cipher(a)mindspring.com> wrote: : >The CAUCE group is just getting started and *Digital Signatures* are : >mentioned in the same breath with anti-UCE techniques. From knowing : >absolutely who everyone is to knowing absolutely what everyone is saying : >seems a logical progression. I see the *Good users are known users* : >mentality as the leading edge of draconian restrictions on Usenet and : >e-mail that are in the works. : It is not a logical progression. : Nevertheless, civility (which is what we're trying to achieve) : requires a balance between individual "rights" of privacy and : public knowledge of who is saying what. A "balance" between "privacy" and "public knowledge of who is saying what"??? Like the FBI wants a "balance" between the rights of people to use cryptography and law enforcement concerns? You are truly a nutcake. T. Max Devlin <mdevlin(a)eltrax.com> wrote: : This extremist view that to be able to identify who is saying something is : automatically the same as censorship is getting more and more ludicrous. The US Supreme Court disagrees with you regarding anonymous speech. T. Max Devlin <mdevlin(a)eltrax.com> wrote: : Without rational examination of the issues, the ultimate solution will : inevitably be that the Internet is unusable for public discourse. Imminent death of the Internet, film at 11. An MIT study has shown civility is *unnatural* among heavy email users. Even Russ Allbery will through out a "bullshit" and more now and then, or do you want to argue about what "civility" means? ---- What does civility mean to Usenet II Czars? It means deleting off-topic posts (which they've done), because they are "abusive". # * [usenet2] A New Virtual Community # * From: Stephanie da Silva <arielle(a)bonkers.taronga.com> # * Reply-To: usenet2(a)usenet.com # * Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 03:12:04 -0500 (CDT) # # I'm somewhat disillusioned because two of my favorite newsgroups seem # to be plagued by a similar problem -- an increase in off-topic chatter. # # This has gone to the point on one of the groups # where some people have actually adopted an OFF-TOPIC keyword and use it # in subject headers. # # In a very recent discussion where I pointed out that this went against # ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ # the very foundation of Usenet and that off-topic threads were 100% noise, # ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ # a user that has been posting less than a year and a half (from Netcom) # patiently explained to me how she felt the main appeal of the newsgroup # was its diverse nature and that she found the off-topic threads # "invigorating." # # So I guess my point is I wish there were some mechanism in place to # reinforce that newsgroups are focused discussion groups and not informal # chat rooms or coffee klatches. People are not taking it to email the # way they tended to in the "good old days." # # I was just talking about this with someone in email. She described an # incident that had happened on rec.arts.books. Someone flamed (ironically # enough) Mike Godwin for posting off-topic. She said Godwin's response # ^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ # was that rec.arts.books was not a place for talking about books per se, # but a place where 'bookish' people could get together and chat. # # That pretty much sums up the point I was trying to make. What else? What have the U2 Czars controlling CAUCE also done? Not allowed the admin of a one-way remailer who returned the required token for posting to comp.org.cauce to post here; no explanation given despite repeated requests. That's not "civil", Max. ---- T. Max Devlin <mdevlin(a)eltrax.com> wrote: : Authentication is a required capability of any multi-user communications system. Apparently you have never heard of pay-phones, 900 re-dial services, etc. : The question is not whether we can get away without it (in the long run, I fear, : we cannot). The question is how we can implement it in a rational fashion that : isn't too slanted one way or the other between personal and public desires. The question is: how can control-freaks like you be beaten to a bloody pul^W^W^W^W back? ---guy

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Re: cypherpunks missing from Usenet
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <199712270822.DAA12498(a)panix2.panix.com>, Information Security <guy(a)panix.com> wrote: >I know most of you don't use Usenet anymore... > >Nevertheless, I'd appreciate any help. >---guy We don't like Usenet because it's full of faggots like Guy Polis. A useful function for a government would be to round up all the AIDS-infected faggots like Guy Polis and to put them publicly out of their misery in fun creative ways, like they do in Iran. I see great possibilities for live family entertaintment. Thank God for AIDS!

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Re: Kwanzaa hijacked by white businesses... [CNN]
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Just as a side remark: why what standard are hallmark and giant foods "white"? >If they're like most big corporations, they probably bend over backwards to >promote blacks via "affirmative action" quotas, and have more blacks in >positions of responsibility than they possible could have if they based their >hiring decisions on merit. Evidently this is not good enough for racists >hatemongers like Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. By extension what would happen if a white guy called for black people to be banned from any given thing? They'd be called a racist and run out of town, sued, and everything else. I spit on political correctness and affirmative action, and I'm not a racist or sexist either. <spit hack loogie>

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Re: Why I Support Microsoft
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ A bit delayed, due to the holidays. ] Tim May writes: > Anyway, the recent government actions against Microsoft are reprehensible > to any person who values liberty. Microsoft is being punished for its > success. Mr. May and others have addressed the government's abuse of Microsoft eloquently and well. It is clear that the DOJ is well out of constitutional bounds with this litigation. It is equally clear that the real problem with Microsoft is that its poorly designed, bloated, _inelegant_ software is pervasive. The solution to both of these problems lies in David Honig's signature: > "Windows 95 is a technologically complex product that is best left > alone by the government..." > ---MSFT Atty B. Smith The President should issue an executive order mandating that all government agencies immediately remove all Microsoft operating systems from their machines, to be replaced with Linux. All Microsoft products should be eliminated as well. The standard text format should be LaTeX. All businesses receiving money from government contracts should be required to use the same tools. This would cut down dramatically on the money spent on software by the government, eliminate compatibility problems between users of different versions of Microsoft products, encourage enormous growth in the Linux software market, and guarantee that Microsoft would never again be considered a monopoly. All this without ever entering a courtroom. Perhaps there's a congressman or two out there who'd like to make some political hay by pushing this from the legislative branch.... Regards, Patrick May S P Engineering, Inc.

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Re: Why I Support Microsoft (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:53:32 -0800 > From: Patrick May <pjm(a)spe.com> > Subject: Re: Why I Support Microsoft > The President should issue an executive order mandating that all > government agencies immediately remove all Microsoft operating systems > from their machines, to be replaced with Linux. Why are you trying to ruin Linux? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: cypherpunks missing from Usenet
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From pooh(a)efga.org Sat Dec 27 19:07:33 1997 > > At 03:22 AM 12/27/97 -0500, Information Security wrote: > >What else? What have the U2 Czars controlling CAUCE also done? > > > >Not allowed the admin of a one-way remailer who returned the required > >token for posting to comp.org.cauce to post here; no explanation given > >despite repeated requests. > > My understanding was that the Cracker remailer was allowed to post on some > CAUCE moderated thing, presumably the newsgroup. I seem to recall that the > token was returned and posting capability had been verified. Has something > changed? Which remailer was it? If I was wrong, nobody ever corrected me despite my posting the complaint repeatedly to comp.org.cauce. Look up the original posts at DejaNews: # Subject: Re: Has the lcs mixmaster remailer been banned? # From: lcs Remailer Administrator <mix-admin(a)nym.alias.net> # Date: 1997/11/25 # Message-ID: <19971125051724.27312.qmail(a)nym.alias.net> # Newsgroups: comp.org.cauce # # beigel(a)rbo.eecs.lehigh.edu (Richard Beigel) writes: # # > You have to reply to the message sent by the modbot. If you don't, # > then your message shouldn't be posted. I guess you find out how this # > works the first time that you post (Ooh! I can hardly wait:-). # # I think you are missing the point. I replied to the original message. # That's how the strange moderation policy thread got started. The fact # that a thread was started proves that I went through the cookie # exchange properly. The problem is that that e-mail address seems to # have been subsequently banned with no apparent expanation. Or, there # is some technical problem. # # It's definitely the case that mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu bounces a copy of # non mixmaster messages back to the sender in case the sender didn't # know it was a remailer and wants to resend the article somewhere else. # However, that doesn't mean I can't spool such messages in a mailbox # and read them if this is required by the moderation policy. # # I just want to know exactly what the policy is and what I need to do # to post from the address mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu. They never answered. Not him, not me. Speaking of problems: it's definite: the great attempt to censor the Internet has begun in England. Mainly Usenet is under attack: pics of mere nudity are being deleted without any legal process whatsoever. See my posts in comp.org.eff.talk ... I've put two pics of nekked kids up at www.panix.com/~guy as part of the "discussion". They (Demon, UUNET, ...) are deleting both pics and apparently text files too, and reporting them to the police. The Thought Police are here. ---guy

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Re: ALERT: PICS Rules, not OK!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <67qbl6$am2(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, Seth Finkelstein wrote: >In article <67ptsh$4rl$1(a)illuin.demon.co.uk>, >Richard Letts <richard(a)illuin.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>In uk.net Paul L. Allen <pla(a)sktb.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> With PICSRULES they can tell ISPs, say, that all web traffic (see >>> qualification above) must go through the ISPs proxy (some ISPs would >>> probably like to make their routers enforce that anyway for bandwidth >>> reasons) and that the proxy should use PICSRULES that the govt specify. >> >>Replace PICSRULES with 'English language specification' in the sentance >>above. > > Doesn't work, because there is no standard "English language >specification" for content restrictions on proxy servers. This "PICS >is like English" bit is getting really tiresome, if PICS were really >like English, then there would be no need to construct such a special >system in the first place! The fact that there is a need for such a >language *designed* and *optimized* for censorship should give the lie >to this comparison. Right. I must be missing something here: PICS is designed to label information under a variety of criteria. The stated reason is that we want to "protect the children and those with frail minds" from "bad" information. Of course the definition of "bad" information varies from person to person. Let's assume PICS doesn't exist. Instead there's a single flag which can go on a web page, USENET post, text file, FTP site, or whatever which denotes whether the material is "suitable for children." I go off and publish bomb-making information. Since that material is available in a high school chemistry textbook with a little synthesis on the reader's part and I don't believe in censorship of information, especially based on age, I mark it "suitable for children." How is anybody going to stop me? I've expressed my opinion. And, after all, SingleFlag isn't for censorship, so theoretically nobody can do anything about it. Of course people won't like this. Further if a bunch of people do that SingleFlag becomes completely and totally useless. The only ways to enforce it are to sue me, throw me in jail, or blacklist me from ISPs. In all three cases censorship is in effect. In the first two cases people scream to the government <Exon> "We *already* censor or rate content on the public airwaves, in computer games, on TV, and at the movies. Why not on the Internet too?" </Exon>, and that's assuming that such a law isn't in place already. So say SingleFlag doesn't exist. Instead we have MultiFlag which rates content on the basis of sexual content, violence, language, and nudity. Again, because I don't believe in censoring content, I rate my material as "no sex, no violence, no lude language, and no nudity." And again, the only way to enforce it is to sue me, throw me in jail, or blacklist me from ISPs. And, again, in all three cases I'm censored. And if all the ISPs censor USENET feeds and HTTP connections, nothing keeps me from playing all kinds of games with TCP/IP (or making my own protocol entirely) and distributing information that way. But then I suppose we have to ban that too, since after all it has no use except to "corrupt the youth of the world" and to espouse politically incorrect thoughts. Now let's say that does happen. I go off and post my pornography anonymously, or stick it on an Eternity server. Well, I guess we'd better ban those pesky anonymous remailers now, right? After all, who needs anonymity unless they have something to hide, right? "Good users are known users," we should have digital signatures required on everything (and they aren't just any digital signature -- that would defeat the purpose. We need some kind of central certification authority!), and ban those politically incorrect opinions -- after all, we have the framework, right? Posted anonymously. After all, this is politically incorrect and I wouldn't want to get on somebody's ban list, right?

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InfoWar EndGame (Part III of The True Story of the InterNet)
by Human Gus-Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <TITLE>The True Story of the Internet Part II</TITLE> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="Internet Assistant for Microsoft Word 2.04z"> </HEAD> <BODY> <HR> <HR> <CENTER>The True Story of the InterNet Part III </CENTER> <CENTER>InfoWar</CENTER> <CENTER>Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution</CENTER> <CENTER>Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain </CENTER> <CENTER>by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> </CENTER> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing <HR> <HR> <CENTER>InfoWar Table of Contents </CENTER> <UL> <LI>Epilogue EG <LI>Nobody Calls From Vegas Just To Say Hello <LI>End Game / InfoWarez </UL> <HR> <CENTER><A NAME="Epilogue">Epilogue EG</A></CENTER> <HR> >From - Tue Dec 09 14:01:35 1997 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by orion.sk.sympatico.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14896 for <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:57:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09835 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (harrier.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.5.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09830 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.sk.sympatico.ca (lohner27.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.27]) by harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24686 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:52:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712091852.MAA24686(a)harrier.sasknet.sk.ca> Date: Tuesday, 09 Dec 97 13:51:52 EST To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: TruthMailer <hc(a)dev.null> X-Mailer: WinSock Remailer Version ALPHA1.3B X-Comments: - X-Comments: TruthMonger's Bait Shop & Plutonium Recycling Center X-Comments: - X-Comments: Does anyone know where I can get a transmission for a X-Comments: 49 Jimmy half-ton? 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NAME="NobodyCalls">Nobody Calls From Vegas Just To Say Hello </A></CENTER> FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED DEC. 10, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz How can we reduce voter turnout? Toby, somewhere in the Great Northwest, writes: "I am doing a research paper for my Sr. High School Government term paper. My assignment is 'How to increase voter turnout.' Are there any books or information that I could use to reference, and if you have time could you give me some of your ideas?" I replied: # # # Greetings, Toby -- The book "Votescam," widely available in paperback, is worth a look. But I'm not sure about the premise of your paper, in the first place. Before we can answer the question, "How to increase voter turnout," it seems to me we need to ask "WHO wants to increase voter turnout, and why?" Whether the next election sees 70 percent of registered voters show up at the polls, or 50 percent, or 30 percent, the result will be the same. A member of the incumbent Republicrat Party will be elected. He or she will go to the capital, raise taxes, and increase government meddling in our lives. Freedom will be further eroded. The only folks granted "loopholes" and "exemptions" from this ever-tightening vise are corporate, union, or other special interests who have ponied up tens of thousands of dollars worth of bribes -- euphemistically called "campaign contributions" -- to buy "access." If the folks running this protection racket thought that higher voter turnouts would upset their applecart, dumping them all out of office and replacing them with Libertarians (or anyone who might REALLY decrease the size and power of government), they would be doing everything possible to PREVENT higher voter turnout, starting with re-enactment of the poll tax. Instead, we see our state and local registrars -- FULL-TIME GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES -- urging HIGHER voter turnout, and making it so easy to register and vote that you can now actually do both by mail. Why? To discover their real motivation, look at the recent special presidential election in Bosnia. Because voter turnout was under 50 percent, the United Nations held that vote was INVALID and had to be redone, figuring terrorist gunmen had frightened too many folks away from the polls. The risk to governments now in power is not HIGH voter turnout -- their control over the courtesan press, and restrictions on the ability of third parties to get on the ballot or into televised debates, take care of that. Instead, their fear is that turnout among wised-up victims unwilling to continue endorsing their schemes will fall so low that they will no longer be able to claim any credible "mandate from the people" to continue building their metastasizing police state. So, if we want to see anything change, why isn't the title of your paper "How to REDUCE voter turnout?" "That's outrageous," you'll likely be told. "Voting is how we keep the democratic process strong." Precisely. And the Founders never meant for us to be exclusively or even mostly a democracy, or they'd never have let five Supreme Court justices overrule 218 congressmen. All this vote-counting has actually gotten people believing it's OK to throw away the Second Amendment and restrict the right of the people to keep and bear arms (for example) ... so long as you can get a majority to "vote" for it. Our current problem in this country is that there's TOO MUCH voting going on, on stuff never meant to be subject to government intervention, in the first place. But, if you insist, here's a way to "increase voter turnout": Place every state, local, and national ordinance which currently outlaws, taxes, or regulates any drug or medical device or practice, or any firearm, explosive, or militarily useful device up to and including tanks and shoulder-launched missiles, on the ballot. For good measure, also place on the ballot any existing law which authorizes any tax or fee. Then announce that, under the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a jury trial, it follows that no person may be punished for violating any of these laws unless he or she could reasonably expect to be convicted by a UNANIMOUS vote of a RANDOMLY-SELECTED jury of 12. Since one juror in 12 represents 8.33 percent of the populace, obviously no law which has only 91 percent popular support can be allowed to stand under the clear intent of the Sixth Amendment; only laws with 92 percent popular support can be allowed to stand. Therefore, any law which is OPPOSED BY 9 PERCENT (OR MORE) OF VOTERS IN THE NEXT ELECTION will be stricken from the books. No more prosecutions under that law will EVER be allowed, even if the Legislature tries to re-instate it. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the drug laws, the drug laws are REPEALED. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the gun laws, the gun laws are REPEALED. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the income tax, the income tax is REPEALED. Giving folks the chance to finally CHANGE something, I think that would draw a pretty good voter turnout. Don't you? Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. 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---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nobody Calls From Vegas Just To Say Hello FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED DEC. 10, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz How can we reduce voter turnout? Toby, somewhere in the Great Northwest, writes: "I am doing a research paper for my Sr. High School Government term paper. My assignment is 'How to increase voter turnout.' Are there any books or information that I could use to reference, and if you have time could you give me some of your ideas?" I replied: # # # Greetings, Toby -- The book "Votescam," widely available in paperback, is worth a look. But I'm not sure about the premise of your paper, in the first place. Before we can answer the question, "How to increase voter turnout," it seems to me we need to ask "WHO wants to increase voter turnout, and why?" Whether the next election sees 70 percent of registered voters show up at the polls, or 50 percent, or 30 percent, the result will be the same. A member of the incumbent Republicrat Party will be elected. He or she will go to the capital, raise taxes, and increase government meddling in our lives. Freedom will be further eroded. The only folks granted "loopholes" and "exemptions" from this ever-tightening vise are corporate, union, or other special interests who have ponied up tens of thousands of dollars worth of bribes -- euphemistically called "campaign contributions" -- to buy "access." If the folks running this protection racket thought that higher voter turnouts would upset their applecart, dumping them all out of office and replacing them with Libertarians (or anyone who might REALLY decrease the size and power of government), they would be doing everything possible to PREVENT higher voter turnout, starting with re-enactment of the poll tax. Instead, we see our state and local registrars -- FULL-TIME GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES -- urging HIGHER voter turnout, and making it so easy to register and vote that you can now actually do both by mail. Why? To discover their real motivation, look at the recent special presidential election in Bosnia. Because voter turnout was under 50 percent, the United Nations held that vote was INVALID and had to be redone, figuring terrorist gunmen had frightened too many folks away from the polls. The risk to governments now in power is not HIGH voter turnout -- their control over the courtesan press, and restrictions on the ability of third parties to get on the ballot or into televised debates, take care of that. Instead, their fear is that turnout among wised-up victims unwilling to continue endorsing their schemes will fall so low that they will no longer be able to claim any credible "mandate from the people" to continue building their metastasizing police state. So, if we want to see anything change, why isn't the title of your paper "How to REDUCE voter turnout?" "That's outrageous," you'll likely be told. "Voting is how we keep the democratic process strong." Precisely. And the Founders never meant for us to be exclusively or even mostly a democracy, or they'd never have let five Supreme Court justices overrule 218 congressmen. All this vote-counting has actually gotten people believing it's OK to throw away the Second Amendment and restrict the right of the people to keep and bear arms (for example) ... so long as you can get a majority to "vote" for it. Our current problem in this country is that there's TOO MUCH voting going on, on stuff never meant to be subject to government intervention, in the first place. But, if you insist, here's a way to "increase voter turnout": Place every state, local, and national ordinance which currently outlaws, taxes, or regulates any drug or medical device or practice, or any firearm, explosive, or militarily useful device up to and including tanks and shoulder-launched missiles, on the ballot. For good measure, also place on the ballot any existing law which authorizes any tax or fee. Then announce that, under the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a jury trial, it follows that no person may be punished for violating any of these laws unless he or she could reasonably expect to be convicted by a UNANIMOUS vote of a RANDOMLY-SELECTED jury of 12. Since one juror in 12 represents 8.33 percent of the populace, obviously no law which has only 91 percent popular support can be allowed to stand under the clear intent of the Sixth Amendment; only laws with 92 percent popular support can be allowed to stand. Therefore, any law which is OPPOSED BY 9 PERCENT (OR MORE) OF VOTERS IN THE NEXT ELECTION will be stricken from the books. No more prosecutions under that law will EVER be allowed, even if the Legislature tries to re-instate it. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the drug laws, the drug laws are REPEALED. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the gun laws, the gun laws are REPEALED. If the vote goes 91-9 to KEEP the income tax, the income tax is REPEALED. Giving folks the chance to finally CHANGE something, I think that would draw a pretty good voter turnout. Don't you? Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. 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#2 Matt Blaze sucks donkey dicks
by Human Gus-Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Fw: Jim Bell Sentenced (fwd)
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phillip M. Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> wrote: >FC folk may find this interesting. What Jim Bell was charged >with and admitted was planning and executing attacks on the >IRS. No, that's not correct. He was charged with (and plead guilty to) obstructing an IRS agent (26 USC 7212(a)) and misuse of a Social Security number (42 USC 408). The "attack" he admitted to executing consisted of applying a stinky chemical to the doormat of an IRS office. (see <http://jya.com/jimbell-dock4.htm> for more.) >His 'Assasination Politics' essay was used to demonstrate >motive (amongst other things). That doesn't make any sense - it could conceivably have been introduced to demonstrate intent, or state of mind .. but not motive, at least in the absence of evidence that an active assassination market existed, and the prosecution apparently didn't see fit to mention such evidence to the press, nor to the judge at sentencing. But it's misleading to say that the essay was used to "demonstrate" anything, as it was never introduced into evidence - there was no trial. Jim plead guilty and was sentenced based upon the arguments of his counsel, the prosecutor, and the probation department's presentence report. It's interesting to note that the prosecutor and the defense concurred in recommending to the judge that Jim receive a sentence at the low end of the permissible range, while the probation department (which acts as an "attitude police") urged a sentence of 27 months, at or near the upper end of the applicable guidelines. Jim's analysis of AP and its relationship to our legal/political/social structure was poor, and his behavior juvenile and indefensible. He did not, however, present a credible threat to the IRS, nor should he be punished more harshly because of his political views/ideas. We should not let distaste/disgust for Jim's ideas and tactics blind us to the important legal and constitutional questions lurking beneath the surface of this investigation and prosecution - there's some possibility that the IRS used its investigation of Jim as a threat to other prolific authors on the Internet. For example, copies of the press release announcing the raid on Jim's home were mailed, apparently from computer systems inside the IRS, to individuals active on the Cypherpunks list. The IRS has never before (or since) bothered to notify those individuals about criminal investigations which might otherwise be of interest. One easy conclusion to reach is that the raid was intended to chill those individuals' expressive activity on the Net with respect to Jim and his ideas and the interplay between taxation and anonymity and cryptography. Further, it's worth considering carefully the relationship between Jim's legitimate and constitutionally protected political speech and the criminal trial process. To what extent did Jim's outspokenness about the IRS influence its interest in investigating and prosecuting him? To what extent was his protected speech used to argue that he was ineligible for release on bail pretrial? To what extent did his extended pretrial incarceration pressure him to plead guilty? (Note that as of his sentencing on 12/12, he's already served almost 80% of his term of incarceration.) To what extent did his protected speech influence the probation department to recommend a sentence two and half times as long as that proposed in the plea agreement negotiated by the prosecution and defense? To what extent will his protected speech be used to measure his compliance with the terms of his supervised release? Assuming that one considers a stinkbomb "force", it seems beyond dispute that Jim is in fact guilty of the charges against him - so it's difficult to argue that he was, in fact, wrongfully convicted. But it's also difficult to argue that, but for his AP essay(s), he'd never have attracted the attention nor scrutiny of the IRS, and hence never have been prosecuted. In effect, he's guilty of violating common sense - he shouldn't have drawn attention to himself if he wasn't prepared for a certain amount of scrutiny. But cases like Jim's demonstrate that there's a considerable gulf between the high-school-civics-class idea that we are all equal before the law and the practical world of the criminal trial system. Jim was treated specially at every stage of this process because of what he's written, and that should make every person who values free political expression uncomfortable. Jim's case demonstrates that we're moving closer to a country where one can be prosecuted for thoughtcrime. And that, indeed, should be of interest to FC list members. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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