December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Spam, Spam, Digital Postage, and Spam
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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MagicMoney
by hjk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally got a copy of MagicMoney (from ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl). It is just the code (compiling without error), but there is no README or documentation at all.Can someone give me a hint,what to do with this package? Is there a documentation somesite? BTW utopia is the site,you can get all the export restricted stuff outside the US. Heinz-Juergen Keller email: hjk(a)ddorf.rhein-ruhr.de

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alt.cypherpunks.* groups make primenet.com
by Carol Anne Cypherpunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Primenet.com has picked up the alt.cypherpunk feed. And, there was spam (yum, yum) on it already. Carol Anne Cypherpunk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Uncensored from heavily.censored.org iQCVAwUBMwbyForpjEWs1wBlAQEOYQP/bU7uRm5YIMgSkH9QoRLm1UzUCcJ8kxoY okFp6cshYvn5zZf4Kp8z9eWh67ox8yN/Lsp8DzFRkS9xrmobX/5givMut304rN5+ p213AzjaEOhfaat5w4AWUPU1xAIkTnI0jqN4vslKQ0Y77fyrzRgwtCCvsw2VzCfv hPSSApmGuys= =mlts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc ***********************************************************************

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Re:
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > PS. His sexist comments are rubbish too. I usually like his crypto posts, > > however, as long as they are technical rather than legal... > > Paul's sexist comments are very interesting - I hope to find more time to > comment on them too. I don't know if they have the same kind of "affirmative > action" in the U.K. that they have in the U.S. - here if you find a woman > in the position of authority, there's a good chance that she was promoted > ahead of more qualified men to meet some quota, and is therefore incompetent. We do not have such laws as far as I`m aware (I try to know as little as possible about law and finance/econimics as I find them intensely boring, even if they are necessary knowledge as a proponent of freedom of action and speech) but in my experience a number of employers promote women ahead of men in order to avoid costly industrial tribunals brought for discrimination. I also believe for the same reasons a lot of known homosexuals, blacks, <insert minority group of choice here> are promoted ahead of more qualified white, straight males. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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(no subject)
by zac 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

UNSUBCRIBE CYPHERPUNKS lspeiel(a)lightspeed.net

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Spam, Spam, Digital Postage, and Spam
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: More on digital postage
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:09 AM -0500 2/16/97, Cynthia H. Brown wrote: >Here in Canada, the CRTC (Canadian Radio & Telecomms Commission) put >out rules limiting the time of day, etc. for phone spam (voice or >fax). Does anyone out there have the specifics of the CRTC regs? "Spam" has rapidly become one of those overused, overloaded, meaningless words. Everything bad on the Net these days is labelled "spam." For the phone example in Canada, just what is "spam"? -- Is it the semi-traditional definition of "spam," i.e., a phone call made to thousands of sites? (At the same time? Sequentially? How?) -- Is it a robo-dialer, with no human at the other end? -- Or is it merely an "unwanted phone call"? As I see it, the danger of criminalizing "unwanted phone calls" is obvious. (Though obviously the courts and prisons are not about to be filled up with people who committed the heinous crime of making an unrequested phone call.) The danger of all "junk mail" and "junk phone call" laws is that they give power to the government to decide on what is junk and what is not. Not something we should support. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: More on digital postage
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May writes: > "Spam" has rapidly become one of those overused, overloaded, > meaningless words. Everything bad on the Net these days is labelled > "spam." The term "spam" has its origins in the well-known Monty Python Viking sketch, where a diner has breakfast menu offerings such as Spam, spam, spam, spam, eggs, and spam. This sequence of one repeated thing, with an occasional something else, reminds us of how our news spool looks after spam has happened. > For the phone example in Canada, just what is "spam"? > -- Is it the semi-traditional definition of "spam," i.e., a phone call made > to thousands of sites? (At the same time? Sequentially? How?) > -- Is it a robo-dialer, with no human at the other end? Calling one person a thousand times is certainly spam. Calling a thousand different people is probably "Excessive Multiple Calling", or some such acronym. > -- Or is it merely an "unwanted phone call"? This is definitely not spam. > As I see it, the danger of criminalizing "unwanted phone calls" is obvious. > (Though obviously the courts and prisons are not about to be filled up with > people who committed the heinous crime of making an unrequested phone call.) If someone is calling me every day, and I ask them nicely to stop, continued calling should be illegal harrassment. If I've never heard from them before, then a couple unwanted calls aren't a big deal. The same principle should apply if someone decides they have a Constitutional right to bang on my front door at 6 am each and every morning. > The danger of all "junk mail" and "junk phone call" laws is that they give > power to the government to decide on what is junk and what is not. > Not something we should support. I wouldn't mind laws against "repeated unwanted communication." That way I decide what is and is not junk, and the perpetrator is on notice that further waste of my time, fax paper, phone line, or mailbox space will not be viewed benevolently. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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[STEGO] Degausser
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Embedded in Tim C. May's babblings are preposterous lies, wild distortions, child pornography (both as graphic descriptions and in JPEG format), ethnic slurs, and racial epithets. _ / ' | /><oo><\ Tim C. May //[ `' ]\\

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MagicMoney
by hjk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I finally got a copy of MagicMoney (from ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl). It is just the code (compiling without error), but there is no README or documentation at all.Can someone give me a hint,what to do with this package? Is there a documentation somesite? BTW utopia is the site,you can get all the export restricted stuff outside the US. Heinz-Juergen Keller email: hjk(a)ddorf.rhein-ruhr.de

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Re: Crypto code published in magazines
by Peter D. Junger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Gutmann writes: : I'm trying to find instances of crypto code published in computer magazines i : n : the last few years. I know of Blowfish in DDJ, are there cases of more : mainstream computer mags like Byte publishing crypto code (I know Byte did DE : S : in 1977, I'm hoping for something a bit more recent)?. Please mail or cc : replies directly to me, nntp.hks.net seems to have died :-(. : : Peter. If there are any responses I would be very interested in seeing them too. Thanks, Peter -- Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH EMAIL: junger(a)samsara.law.cwru.edu URL: http://samsara.law.cwru.edu NOTE: junger(a)pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu no longer exists

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Re:
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > PS. His sexist comments are rubbish too. I usually like his crypto posts, > > however, as long as they are technical rather than legal... > > Paul's sexist comments are very interesting - I hope to find more time to > comment on them too. I don't know if they have the same kind of "affirmative > action" in the U.K. that they have in the U.S. - here if you find a woman > in the position of authority, there's a good chance that she was promoted > ahead of more qualified men to meet some quota, and is therefore incompetent. We do not have such laws as far as I`m aware (I try to know as little as possible about law and finance/econimics as I find them intensely boring, even if they are necessary knowledge as a proponent of freedom of action and speech) but in my experience a number of employers promote women ahead of men in order to avoid costly industrial tribunals brought for discrimination. I also believe for the same reasons a lot of known homosexuals, blacks, <insert minority group of choice here> are promoted ahead of more qualified white, straight males. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: (fwd) DES challenge organisation
by Jon Biddell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How the hell do I get OFF this list ??

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Re: (fwd) DES challenge organisation
by Thomas S. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! (wow, what a distribution. I should mention that des-challenge is down this weekend, so the response may not be as expected.) >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy C May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: Timothy> At 11:02 PM +0000 2/15/97, Adam Back wrote: >> Thomas S <ths(a)fh28.fa.umist.ac.uk> writes: >>> [...] >>> >>> 5. The prize money will be split equally between Gutenberg and >>> EFF. There is a possibility of using part of it for stickers >>> or something similar, but don't count on it. >> Not a good idea. >> >> How can this be enforced? The RSADSI DES challenge is open to >> all comers, and how do you prove that someone who finds the key >> found it through this group effort? The client reports the key to the server, not to the user (very simple, and very simple ways to get around of course). In a nutshell: we can't enforce it, at least I can't see a way to do so. We certainly can't keep people from doing their own "treasure hunt". ... Timothy> A 2-4x factor is significant, and may warrant a Timothy> coordinated search. However, the various problems Timothy> implicit in coordinated searches are factors, too. Timothy> Also, an uncoordinated search solves the "prize" problem, Timothy> as whomever finds the key makes the contact with RSADSI. Indeed--that's what we try to avoid. Our project is not a race for money, it is a demonstration with a political impact. The main point in favour of a coordinated search is the availability of progress reports. Nobody can argue that the key was found by chance--as there is exact data about performance and the expected maximum duration for the search. Timothy> One of the problems with a coordinated search, if the Timothy> remaining keyspace to be doled out is publically Timothy> announced, is that as the keyspace is searched and a key Timothy> _not_ found, the remaining keyspace is increasingly more Timothy> tempting for "independent searchers" to search. Sort of Timothy> the way the odds on some lotteries actually become Timothy> "acceptable" as the lottery pot grows. The organizer of Timothy> the coordinated search must then, I surmise, keep the Timothy> assignments secret and dole out keyspace securely. This is a technical problem which is discussed at the moment. The keyspace will not be publically announced (and it wasn't during the last project). Thomas -- OOOO, OOOOOOOO, |, ths(a)rz.tu-ilmenau.de OO, OO, O, O, |, http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~ths/ O, O, O, |, ______ __ ___ O, O--O, O, O, |, | (_ |-|-` O, O, O, |, |homas __)te| |en OO, OO, O, O, |, OOOO, OOOOOOOO, |, not to be forwarded without permission

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alt.cypherpunks.* groups make primenet.com
by Carol Anne Cypherpunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Primenet.com has picked up the alt.cypherpunk feed. And, there was spam (yum, yum) on it already. Carol Anne Cypherpunk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Uncensored from heavily.censored.org iQCVAwUBMwbyForpjEWs1wBlAQEOYQP/bU7uRm5YIMgSkH9QoRLm1UzUCcJ8kxoY okFp6cshYvn5zZf4Kp8z9eWh67ox8yN/Lsp8DzFRkS9xrmobX/5givMut304rN5+ p213AzjaEOhfaat5w4AWUPU1xAIkTnI0jqN4vslKQ0Y77fyrzRgwtCCvsw2VzCfv hPSSApmGuys= =mlts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc ***********************************************************************

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Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:35:27 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > aga wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:07:40 -0600 (CST) > > > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > > > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > > > Cc: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > > > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > > > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > == This list is still experimental. == > > > > == admin ichudov(a)algebra.com == > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > > > > Just fyi, I am removing this footer from the list config. > > > > > > It was here so that people could tell that the list was new and > > > glitches were likely to happen. > > > > > > > O.K. what are you doing, Igor? Is this a new cypherpunks list? > > This is ONE OF new cypherpunks lists. These lists will soon be > connected to each other so that people subscribed to any of them > will receive all article sent to each list. > > Kinda like USENET. > 10-4 It is like a new hierarchy, huh? {;-)-~ cmsg newgroup cypherpunks.cunt

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Re: DES and RSA crypto hardware from the free world
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:32 1997-02-15 -0200, John Ioannidis wrote: Sorry to correct you, but uti-maco is an old german company ... >I believe uti-Maco (a belgian company) has been using the Pijnenburg chips >for their boards. However, last I checked with them (about half a year ago) >the price of the boards was pretty steep -- of the order of $1K. > >Anyway, if the boards Peter is referring to are ready in the next couple >of months, I volunteer to write drivers for Linux and *BSD*. > >/ji >

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DFA
by pjb＠23kgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? have they gone underground, or perhaps been put underground, in a rather permanent way? isn't it strange how quite it has been on this subject? cheers, -paul

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Cypherpunks FAQ
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:40:15 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" > > aga wrote: > > I have mail.cypherpunks though, and I thought that was > > the usenet newsgroup for cypherpunks. > > > > let's see what dejanews says about this one. > > > > How about every posting to alt.underground for the time being, > > until we get this matter settled? > > > > John, > > I think that you would be the best author for writing the official > alt.cypherpunks FAQ. I have no doubt that many readers will appreciate > your effort and it will win you a lot of new points with them. > > One thing is, you have a lot of ideas, and two, your writing style is > very good (you are a law doctor after all). > > The FAQ should not be necessarily very big. > > - Igor. > But I have never been on the cypherpunks mailing list. I only got involved because they were in the header of some F-K list mail. And I think that Dr. Vulis would be much better qualified than I would be. My Doctorate was in Law, but Dimitri did his in math and/or cryptography, which is more appropriate. All I can say is that it should be a list where everybody is required to state their sex and sexual orientation up front. And the rule MUST BE that you are a queer by default. We MUST have a correct sexual definition up front, and nobody is allowed to say, "I refuse to state my sexuality" because we then know that they are closet homosexuals. what we want is the truth up front. BTW, all five of the newsgroups in this header are available through dejanews for posting to, if you use them in the current order. the a.g.g. newsgroup ate dejanews gets your article posted to ANY other newsgroup, including alt.cypherpunks and cypherpunks.cunt

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FBI_100
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DFA
by Paul J. Bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? have they gone underground, or perhaps been put underground, in a rather permanent way? isn't it strange how quite it has been on this subject? cheers, -paul

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Re: The EFF
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:43:51 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, > freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: The EFF > > Toto wrote: > > Timothy C. May wrote: > > > At 9:36 AM -0800 2/14/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > It is my (limited) understanding that the EFF has discovered that > > the support that comes with private philanthropy from will o'wisp > > Bay Area 'liberals' doesn't carry the terrible burden of having to > > compete for the petty contributions of the UnRich. > > I have a brother-in-law who gives seminars to the Nouveau Riche in > > the Bay Area, teaching them how to give their money away to 'good' > > causes. I believe that one of the prime considerations in separating > > the 'good' causes from the 'bad' causes has something to do with the > > the proper wine being served with the cheese and cracker offerings > > during their cocktail parties. > > Wine and cheese are the key. You hit that one on the head. I tried > those Mensa parties in Beverly Hills a few times, but the girls want > you to kiss their hands like some kinda princesses or something, > whereas I think a simple handshake would suffice. So I just quit > going. Maybe this has something to do with why there are no c-punks > meetings in the L.A. area. > Dale, so you are in mensa? Did you have to take a test?

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Re: DES and RSA crypto hardware from the free world
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:32 1997-02-15 -0200, John Ioannidis wrote: Sorry to correct you, but uti-maco is an old german company ... >I believe uti-Maco (a belgian company) has been using the Pijnenburg chips >for their boards. However, last I checked with them (about half a year ago) >the price of the boards was pretty steep -- of the order of $1K. > >Anyway, if the boards Peter is referring to are ready in the next couple >of months, I volunteer to write drivers for Linux and *BSD*. > >/ji >

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Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:35:27 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > aga wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:07:40 -0600 (CST) > > > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > > > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > > > Cc: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > > > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > > > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > == This list is still experimental. == > > > > == admin ichudov(a)algebra.com == > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > > > > Just fyi, I am removing this footer from the list config. > > > > > > It was here so that people could tell that the list was new and > > > glitches were likely to happen. > > > > > > > O.K. what are you doing, Igor? Is this a new cypherpunks list? > > This is ONE OF new cypherpunks lists. These lists will soon be > connected to each other so that people subscribed to any of them > will receive all article sent to each list. > > Kinda like USENET. > 10-4 It is like a new hierarchy, huh? {;-)-~ cmsg newgroup cypherpunks.cunt

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Re: Crypto code published in magazines
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> writes: > I'm trying to find instances of crypto code published in computer > magazines i n the last few years. I know of Blowfish in DDJ, are > there cases of more mainstream computer mags like Byte publishing > crypto code (I know Byte did DES in 1977, I'm hoping for something a > bit more recent)?. Well this code (an implementation of RSA) appeared in UK Computer Shopper (largest readership computer mag in UK) by Charlie Stross: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` (actually it was some earlier version of the code) Other media appearances include: - A picture of the shirt in Nova magazine (a French publication) - Shirt on Nulle Part Ailleurs (French cabal TV talk show) - Shirt Japanese edition of Wired - Shirt in US version of Wired - Richard White's tattoo of the program in UK Wired - Shirt in BBC Open Univ program (educational program on encryption) - Picture of label with program on New York Times All of those apart from the last would probably be readable from the source code, or from the bar code. [Do KISS do image enhancement also? :-)] (some pics on: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/shirt/media.html http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ ) Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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